Snallygaster w/ Sarah Cooper of the American Snallygaster Museum

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At the base of the South
Mountain in Frederick County,

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Maryland lies, the dark damp
caves and caverns that riddled.

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The Integrity of Del G Gap just
west of the Sleepy Little

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Mountain Village of Middletown
and egg lies in wait.

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For over 20 years, it has
incubated this fighting for the

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rest of the world, its mother
returned to the place of her

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birth to continue the call of
her ancestors before her time on

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his plane came to an end.
Finally the wait, is over this

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fully grown monstrosity, will
bring Terror in Hell from its

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thrown in the sky, announcing
its arrival with a screech that

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sends shivers down the spines of
those that.

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Remember the horror from over 20
years ago, the creature spreads

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its limbs for the first time as
it emerges from the prison which

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caused it to go mad.
Wings spanning nearly 30 feet,

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find it hard to spread fully in
the cave.

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So it begins his Ascent into the
world.

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Its first view of the
Mountainside that house

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Generations before it brought a
hunger and bloodlust into its

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matted in mind as it lifted into
the air.

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Propelled by funder is first
produced by its wings. get rid

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of Travelers because the style,
I guessed her back, welcome back

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to infinite radical
Welcome back to infinite Rabbit

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Hole, everybody.
My name is Jeremy.

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I'm your host, of course, like,
I am 90% of the time.

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Today we have a special guest
which is going to be really

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awesome.
Actually, I like this new thing

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that we're doing now where we
find somebody that actually

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knows stuff about what we're
talking about and, you know,

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brings a little bit of
professionalism to the show

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because we need that we're not
professionals at all.

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Speaking of on professionals,
let's go ahead and bring Jake

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and Jeff in.
Okay, guys, how you guys doing

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tonight?
I'm doing pretty good.

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How are you doing?
You know, I'm dying.

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I guess, pretty good.
Jake.

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What about you, man?
I've been horribly insulted.

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I'm doing awful.
Thanks.

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Well, you don't deserve it.
So, take it.

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That's it.
We really don't have a lot of

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stuff to introduce because you
guys know these guys, you guys

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know me as well but what you
don't know.

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But you may not know is our
guest.

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She is the owner of the American
Stanley, gaster Museum and

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Frederick County Maryland.
Her name is Sarah Cooper.

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Sarah.
Welcome to the infant Rabbit

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Hole.
Hi, thank you for having me on.

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This is going to be a lot of
fun.

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I hope so.
It will I can guarantee you were

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either going to sound really
awesome and you're going to be

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like wow these guys are great or
it's going to be entertaining

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because we're going to sound
like shit one of the two.

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Okay let's go for awesome then
we'll try.

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All right real quick before we
jump into the story of the

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snallygaster which is the topic
of the night.

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Tell us a little bit about you
and the American style, gaster

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Museum.
Okay so my name is Sarah Cooper.

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I live here in Frederick County
Maryland and I am in my

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professional life, a critical
care nurse.

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I work in the emergency room and
in my hobby flash hyper fixation

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life, an amateur folklorist and
Cryptid Enthusiast and I have

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put together a collection of art
artifacts newspaper articles.

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Like pop culture, references
games, you name it.

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It all around our state Cryptid.
The snallygaster.

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That's awesome.
So if somebody wants to check

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out your Museum, we'll start
with all my.

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Where can they go so online?
They can go to snallygaster.

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Museum.com, I'm most active on
Instagram at Americans now

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League Astor Museum.
We also have a Facebook page if

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you just search snallygaster
Museum, but I am not Good at

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Facebook.
So that's our online presence.

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We have a tick talk to but I'm
listen, I can't try.

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I can't do it too much.
We're in the exact same boat.

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No worries.
We have this guy, Jeff, who's

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actually one of our co-host.
He's sometimes he's an asshole

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that said, hey, let me get
control of your Tick Tock and I

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was like, yeah, sure.
Go for it and guess what hasn't

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done a single thing with it.
We'll listen in my I defense I

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already got banned twice from
Tick-Tock on my own account.

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I didn't want to do that to the
infinite rabbit.

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Also Tick Tock is very
intimidating.

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I think he's just lazy but
that's just, they don't like me,

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bro.
I post one thing in there like

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band.
It's because you're telling the

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truth, dude.
They can't handle it.

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Thank you.
Anyways, real quick.

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I just of course I went to the
American style, I guess or

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Museum website.
And the first thing I like to do

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Is check out merch and I see
that there's a link right at the

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top for style.
Yes, or Museum encrypted merch.

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I'll say you have some awesome
stuff here that he I'm gonna

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definitely grab one of these
official first run Museum teas

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as well as the star Cruiser
Studios.

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Now, I guess, RT that.
Yeah, the star Cruiser Studios.

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One is my favorite.
The artist also did it in like a

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white on black design and it's
absolutely beautiful.

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It's completely awesome.
Awesome.

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That's probably gonna be the one
I'm going to get.

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And then, yes, before we started
recording, we're talking about

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this Teddy's, snallygaster one.
I'm definitely gonna put this

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over him, my mantle.
Yeah, that's a great friend.

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You see it?
Yeah, I'm looking at it right

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now.
It's all how awesome.

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I'm definitely snagging.
One of these for the studio.

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They got big ones to 24 by 36.
Yeah, one in my house, it's

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pretty great.
That's awesome.

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I think.
Jake will look really good in

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this, baby.
Snallygaster onesie.

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I was going to get one for my
new baby but chain with a good

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very good.
Yeah, Jake look great.

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I will I'll get it and I'll cram
myself inside of it and put it

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on Tick, Tock, and get his band.
No, that'll solve that problem

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right away.
That probaby, Sally Guster one

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that's by conjure dust designs
on Instagram, my friend Danner,

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he does like these really cute
Griff kids so I put that on all

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the baby stuff and it's just
it's so precious.

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I can't Stand it.
Yeah, it's not.

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It's going to be precious when I
smashed my legs the armholes,

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and how I have so precious.
So Sarah, I have to know what,

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what brought you to start a
museum on the snow yesterday.

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So it's it's kind of, its kind
of, depressing, whatever.

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So, when March 2020, when covid,
hit and everything blew up and

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went to shit I was working in
inner-city Baltimore in the ER

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and I was in my third trimester
of pregnancy it was like really

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scary we didn't have like enough
PPE like it was really really

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terrifying and so I spent every
day just like am I gonna die?

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Like what's gonna happen and
watching all these people died

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and it was like freaking me out
you know is the baby going to be

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okay.
All that stuff and I just got

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like really I decided like I got
to fixate on something else and

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started going really really like
well like your podcast down.

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The Abbott whole of snallygaster
stuff.

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And I got such a big collection
going and I did all this

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research and I was like I love
like Roadside Attraction museums

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like just weird out their stuff
and I visited almost every

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Cryptid Museum except for the
big one in Maine.

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And I just really really love
what they're doing and I was

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like dude I could do that like
I'm really good at researching.

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I can I can make this happen and
it just kind of went from there

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and became like my thing to get
me through this like very dark

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time in In my career, and in my
life and it kind of pulled me

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through it, it's been a really
big source of inspiration and

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happiness for me, man, that's
lucky, that's lucky with those

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places are open.
End of that was really awesome

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to hear.
I'm sorry.

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He had to go through all that
I've been to Baltimore.

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I know that's not a pretty Place
sometimes.

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Most times all the time
Baltimore rough, but that's

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really cool.
I'm really happy that you found

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something and I'm happy that it
had ended up being the snail

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yesterday, because you make a
really good guest for tonight.

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And it's been a great like being
in the Cryptid community in the

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cryptozoology community and
meeting people like a sure.

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If you guys had on your show
it's been really cool to make

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friends with you know
like-minded weirdos and get to

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hang out with them at events and
you know it's been really

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awesome.
Couple years for me.

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Love weirdos.
Yeah, absolutely, that's why I'm

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friends with these guys.
Certain types of weirdos.

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There's some weirdos that it's
like mmmm did you were talking

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about it earlier?
You're like, yeah, there's some

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people that I wouldn't get one
within 100 miles of me or

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something like that.
It's just like, I mean, I I've

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gotten a few that are like, let
me send you, like, I was dead.

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You know, I was like, oh, yeah,
like let me send you some

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Bigfoot footage that I got and I
was like, all right, dude cool

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for the 20 seconds of bushes
that you filmed it was like

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every day at 11:11 and I'm
calling this man out so he

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already knows, you know, texting
me like 11:11 make a wish bro,

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come on.
I can't.

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Can you send me some of your
hair and making a dollar?

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We can't with you.
All right.

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Well, you won't have that
problem from us, so good, it's

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good.
Yeah.

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Well we may be weird but we're
not creeps.

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Yeah yeah we'll go to that.
Yeah.

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Alright so we think jump into
some snow gasser.

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That's a yes.
Just go ahead and say yes,

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everybody.
I don't know who were talking.

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Yeah, everybody.
All right.

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I'll start bringing her in that.
Okay.

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All right.
A letter by a man, from cast

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out, Ohio appeared in the
Middletown Valley, register

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February, 12th 1909.
The claim of letter was that the

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man had written star.
Horrendous monster called The

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snallygaster Traveling East,
just afterwards, witness lifting

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a full-grown man off the ground.
Sucking his blood completely out

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of his body and discarding the
corpse as, if it were a rag

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doll, he wrote the letter to
warn those east of cats town of

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the creature and its evils soon
after the letter was printed in

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the register people from
Frederick and Washington

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counties Maryland, as well as
Shepherdstown West, Virginia

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began reporting sightings of an
enormous flying creature.

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The first person to give a
description of the creature was

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a man by the name of James
Harding.

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He described it as having
Enormous bat-like Wings, a long,

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sharp beaks claws like steel and
one eye in the middle of its

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forehead.
The creature was known to sound

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off with a blood-curdling
screech.

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But the most noticeable feature
was that it appeared to have

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tentacles trailing it as it flew
with some claiming that the

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tentacles are growing out of its
mouth and others stating that

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they were attached to various
other parts of its body, mostly

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the chin and the forehead.
Everyone described it as being

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Dragon Lee, and that it was
always looking for its next

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meal.
As Theory spread about the

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origins and nature of the
creature, the snallygaster

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became a warning to those who
didn't obey the rules, their

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parents and Elders for a span
of, just over two decades that

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witnessed little to no Stanley,
gaster activity, the creature

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became the boogeyman of West.
Maryland parents will use the

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threat of the snallygaster to
ensure their children were

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inside and ready for supper by
dark and to instill fear.

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We're into those that still
demanded guidance and their

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younger more rebellious years.
So Sarah.

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How bad the fuck that up?
That was actually perfect.

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You totally nailed it?
Yeah, that was really good.

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That was a great summary of the
of the first big flap of

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sightings she said, it'd take
you hear it.

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She said flap just like Asher's.
We talked about flaps for like

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two hours with Asher's was
great.

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I also talked about flaps with
Asher's far too long, at many

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events.
Asher's, I love her.

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Do you have anything to add to
anything?

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So, yeah.
So the first big flap of

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snallygaster sightings in 1909
are really interesting part of

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American history.
As you talked about their was

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the, the murder, you know, that
everyone said was the

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snallygaster but there's some
really interesting parts and and

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I've really gone through a lot
of these articles.

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And when you look at the areas
of town with the snallygaster

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was or some of the coded
language that they use when

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talking about the snallygaster,
there is a lot of of racist

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undertones where people took
this piece of folklore and they

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started to use it in a really
negative way.

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So they would use things like
being carried away in the night

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or they would.
It's kind of like how people

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have these S&S dog.
Whistles today, you know, Pepe

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the Frog and all that kind of
stuff.

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They were doing this weird thing
to try and intimidate black

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members of the community.
And it led me down kind of a

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weird Rabbit Hole of Lumberjack
creatures.

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And and this intersection of
folklore and racism and people

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twisting these, these kind of
cool stories to be something

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really negative and try to You
know, instill fear in people in

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their community.
So I think it's really

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interesting that we have this
really cool thing that was

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innocent to begin with and then
you kind of see it change

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throughout the new cycle to
become something super negative.

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And by the time we get to the
30s with the snallygaster, you

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see a lot more of that.
And it's very telling about

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who's writing the article,
whether they're being silly and

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goofy and talking about this,
you know, funny piece of

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folklore or They're trying to
send a message to scare other

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people and it's something that
I'm researching pretty heavily

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and I will eventually write
something about.

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But but that's, it's kind of a
Nikki part of the history of

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this Cryptid.
And I think that if we go into a

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lot of other Cryptids will find
that there's some similar themes

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going on especially from that
time period.

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Yeah, I do get into it a little
bit more later on, but that,

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that's very good point to bring
up.

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Is that, when you're listening
to the stories of the Stanley,

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casters, to remember, the time
period that this happened, this

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was shortly after the Civil War,
right?

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When the first incarnations of
the, snallygaster really started

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hitting the scene.
So as you will see, later on in

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the night, we'll see how that
kind of kind of evolves into

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what Sarah was talking about and
I'll be able to get a little

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deeper into it then.
Guys, do you guys have any

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questions for sir?
Hmm, not yet, Jim's.

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Not gonna have any questions
because we're not talking about

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like tinfoil hat stuff to.
This is probably true.

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I also have no questions and we
will get into some conspiracy

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once we get to the 30s.
Don't you worry, there's some

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men in black associated with the
snallygaster.

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That I would love to discuss.
I like that kind of stuff.

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For sure.
Well then let's get through all

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this boring stuff.
Let's all right.

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Let's move on.
Let's talk about the orange

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Origins a little bit.
And again, forgive me, I have a

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cough today and you're always
sick, shut up Jake.

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Alright anyways, The Original
Stories of the schneller Geist,

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a German term that translates to
Quick Spirit comes from the

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original German.
Settlers who came to the

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Mid-Atlantic Appalachian
Mountains as far back as the

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1730's although the first
records of an unknown flying

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creature in the area was from
Virginia.

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The Stanley Gaster soon.
Found a more permanent home in,

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Maryland, the original German,
Legend tells of a creature that

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would be known for Mischief such
as knocking trinkets off The

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Mantel and creating unpleasant
smells it description.

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Not really matching the new
description of the blood sucking

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and corpse throwing relative of
Western Maryland.

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But when the new Stanley gaster
first appeared with German

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settlers, the new Mountain folk
found themselves painting seven

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pointed stars on the out wall of
their Barnes to keep so-called

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chicken eaters away.
It was clear that the

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snallygaster of the new world
was much different than the

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schneller Geist of the old.
You got anything to add there?

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Sir.
Oh, that's so awesome that you

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mentioned it.
I feel like I get through a lot

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of podcasts and then I'm like,
oh wait I didn't talk about the

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Barns and then I yeah I'm glad
that we've gotten there.

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So the seven-pointed stars are
one of the coolest pieces of

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snallygaster history and and
they do kind of go toward

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Pennsylvania, Dutch, folklore,
and hex magic, which is one of

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my favorite things ever, but
it's really neat because when

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you're driving out into The
Maryland, Pennsylvania border.

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You can actually see some of
these still around and it just

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is so fantastic to see them.
And to learn about all the

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different, heck stars because
that was, you know, the

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snallygaster ward and there's
fertility and peace, and

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abundance.
And all these really cool

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different symbols that they use.
But I think it's really neat

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that there was a symbol for a
Cryptid.

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Like, that's so cool to me and
that I can drive around and

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still see it to this day.
If you're ever in the area,

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definitely keep an eye out for
it because it's one of my

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favorite things and they're
actually very beautiful.

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So you dig it by writing move
up.

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Demons, Jake Tremont.
Well witchcraft.

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Yeah, I don't know if Jeremy and
Jake if you guys remember, but

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we kind of went over the
seven-pointed star.

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When we did the Georgia
Guidestones episode a bit too.

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We did you're right.
We went over a lot of stuff with

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seven.
What did, what did you bring up

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about seven pointed star another
episode?

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Oh man, bro, I can't even
remember.

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Come on, Guess.
He brings it up just to say, oh,

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I can't remember.
I'm trying to pull up the file,

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so I could look through the
notes, like, we're gonna

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remember, right?
I was hoping you would because

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now I got to dig for it.
Alright, well, we'll see it.

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We'll see if he can find it and
we'll come back to it.

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No, I gave up right.
There's make something up

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though.
Just like make something up for

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fun, so it's a star.
It's got seven points which is

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one more than Six and one less
than 8, one for each day of the

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week.
And that's the really deep.

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There's Monday, if you didn't
know, Thursday, the the Tuesday

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point, the one that faces up so
yeah.

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Oh yeah, we wouldn't know them.
I'm saying, you knew the the

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rich history behind the
seven-pointed star but not not

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Thursday which would mostly
recognized throughout the last

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hundred years.
What they can get it was

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brilliant but a lot of people
don't know is that you don't

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read a star, like you read a
clock, you have to start at the

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10:30 position.
Hmm.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Did you learn that in the navy?
No, not at all.

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You could have lied to me and
said yes I would have believed.

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Yes that's where I was.
I was a Navy pilot training out.

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There you go.
Thinking dog training.

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Yeah, exactly the second he said
that he was at station.

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I was like their egos being a
Pog again Says the other one.

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Yeah, what.
All right, I mean a person other

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than grunt.
Yeah.

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All right.
I'm I'm gonna I don't

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understand.
Yeah, it's dumb.

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It's dumb there's a whole story
behind it but we get to dive

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into the snow again.
All right let's talk about the

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Beast by many names.
The earliest articles mentioned

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of the creature may go back to
1902 where The Frederick

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News-Post claims that the first
written report of a monster was

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Printed but the exact Source
cannot be found and although the

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post claims that the first
reports are from 1902, the post

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itself, did not raid article on
the creature that year.

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But the earliest name for an
unknown creature in the area

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which many believe to be the
snallygaster was called the

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crosswise Yeah.
What's up guys?

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Kutis gasket will go gasps,
Coos, crosswise gas cutest?

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This is a little funny because
American folklore does mention a

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creature called the gas Kutis,
but the descriptions are very

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different.
The traditional gas cutest, goes

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back to 1840, in this said to be
a creature with four legs with

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two legs, on one side, longer
than the two on the other.

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The reason for this is due to
its need and nature to climb up

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steep hills and mountains in a
sideways stride.

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So I honestly don't know what to
make of this one.

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But I found two sources that
claim the snallygaster was

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originally called crosswise
guess cute.

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This and that you can find
reports earlier than 1909, if

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you look for this name instead,
but you're blowing my mind.

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I didn't know that.
How do you spell that?

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You're, I'm like, amazed gyaaaa
s CU t.

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U.s. all right, cool and look
into this.

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So there's different types of
guys, guess Kunis's.

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The snallygaster was considered
one of the crosswise once only

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to tie your tie.
So over the years, the

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snallygaster would go by many
names when the German settlers

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came down from Pennsylvania.
Their superstitions mended with

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the accents of the locals and
the name transformed over time

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from the Little snow Geist to
smell like a stir.

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And then finally, to the
snallygaster that we are

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familiar with today, although
some newspapers attempted to

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create their own names for the
creature that never stuck.

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Some of these names were the
go-devil.

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The V, boville lupus, OCTA lupus
and giganta lope to giganta

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Lotus J, GB a little whatever.
I don't, I like it time you met,

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it's so good.
So Sarah, do you have anything

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to add to the Beast of many
names?

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I, well, I'm amazed, because I
did not know about the, what's

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the gas cutest that's like, kind
of blowing my mind because when

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I'm looking at it, the first
thing that was even close to a

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snallygaster in like print was
from this book, from the 1800's,

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called South Mountain magic and
it's not even close really it's

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like a A group of snakes that
are like stuck together and then

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like Slither into a cave, but
the description and the coloring

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and everything is kind of like
closed.

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For those little are very young,
plug your ears ear muffs

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everybody.
A ball of snakes is actually an

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orgy.
Yes.

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So you know you're doing the
thing?

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Wait is that like a term?
Like how a bunch of crows are a

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murderer or they literally Slam
together, did you guys learn

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that in the Navy too?
I mean that's common knowledge

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to people that study seven
points cars.

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I mean, how does the sailors?
Listen, Sarah, okay.

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Ball.
I was always told that we just

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came out of Davy Jones Locker.
I didn't know that it was like

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that.
I was told that I was a piece of

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shit.
Literally thought I'd just

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follow fell off someone's
asshole.

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Well yeah after you guys were
done then plug ball in here when

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you're the only thing to do I'm
gonna be using that as a term

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and people like they're stupid.
If they don't know what that

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means, I'm really have you make
a Parody song to Free Fallin by

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Tom Petty but POG Ballin please.
I literally need that in my

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life.
It's going to literally be our

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first take time for you.
You're good, guess you're fun.

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I'm so far off the rails.
Well, since we're already off

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the rails, I don't know why, but
when you first said the Beast of

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many names, the first thing I
thought of that, just spray it

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in my head that took me back.
Was Monty Python, my Monty

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Python's quest for the Holy
Grail and it was the great black

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beast of aw.
And I had to look it up and and

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silently Watch the watch the
clip on YouTube.

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Yeah, that's it great.
I'm happy that we're all focused

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on the subject and I think she
is yeah.

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Alright, let's move along
because because this is, this is

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going quick.
It's good.

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Hog balls.
I can't wait hog ball.

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It is patreon only.
All right, let's talk about I

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don't want to slap people, I
can't take it anymore.

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That's all compose ourselves.
Jeremy, every trick some water.

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Do I have to get up and get a
bottle water?

447
00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:50,800
I'll do that during the next
stupid thing.

448
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,900
We say, the first noticeable
sighting came by a man named

449
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:58,200
George Jacobs, who claimed to
not only have spotted the

450
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,400
creature while out hunting.
But also, He had taken a shot at

451
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,600
it to his amazement.
The bullies simply ricocheted

452
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,800
off to his amazement.
The bullet, simply ricocheted

453
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,800
off the skin of the cell.
Yesterday, the attempt at

454
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,100
killing the creature did not
fare well with it, as it then

455
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:20,000
turned to chase Jacobs with
attempts at biting at his neck.

456
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:25,000
Also in 1909 the strange story
of the snallygaster, Soul on the

457
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,000
train station became well-known.
Ed Brown was a railway worker in

458
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,500
Emmitsburg.
Was attacked by the creature as

459
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:36,800
its swoop down and grab dead.
By his suspenders, another man

460
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,700
working that day jumped and
grabbed mr.

461
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:44,000
Brown by his leg and the
suspenders snapped, ultimately

462
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,700
saving at Browns life.
But of course, this encounter

463
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:52,000
would intend that easily as the
snallygaster dove back down.

464
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,600
Once again, grab it Ed.
Another man jumped in, and the

465
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,300
three together did their best to
fight off the creature.

466
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:04,700
Witnesses to the event claim
that the scuffled with ol snaily

467
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,200
lasted for almost an hour
towards the latter, half the

468
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,500
attack yet another man branded a
pistol and began shooting at

469
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:16,300
flying monstrosity.
It was at this point that one of

470
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:19,500
the creature's abilities were
discovered as it began to blow

471
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:23,700
fire out of its nostrils.
After this event, the famous

472
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:27,000
Nellie gaster of Western
Maryland, would not be seen for

473
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000
another 23 years.
All right?

474
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,200
Sarah, here's your chance.
I call bullshit.

475
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,100
I need everyone to know that
this is the story is bullshit.

476
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,100
All right before, right?
Hey, I've heard it before.

477
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:45,900
And well, first of all, Ed was
naked because the snallygaster

478
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:50,600
ripped, his clothes off.
So, I just want everyone to know

479
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,600
that the other ones jumped in
for some competitive.

480
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,600
Tickle.
Yeah, yeah.

481
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,900
So I think something else was
going on at the end.

482
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,100
Pittsburgh train station and I'm
not judging or anything.

483
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:07,800
But like you guys did not fight
off a fire-breathing dragon.

484
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:11,400
I think they fought off a
one-eyed Dragon of some kind but

485
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,200
it was not a smelly gaster.
Been somebody walked in on them

486
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,300
and they were like oh knows.
It was really guessing.

487
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:26,400
They're all just grab it at it.
Like in the boys.

488
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,900
Yeah, it does seem like a
ridiculous.

489
00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:34,900
I don't know why they're doing
that out in Carroll County.

490
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:37,000
But you know what?
It's fine.

491
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,500
We love them.
Anyway, now that story is

492
00:30:39,508 --> 00:30:42,800
totally ridiculous and it's the
only account that I saw where

493
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,800
the snallygaster was breathing,
fire.

494
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:48,900
It just seems a little
ridiculous to me, like, for so

495
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:50,900
many reasons.
But yeah, no.

496
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,700
It's definitely got some red
flags.

497
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:55,600
Yeah, hardcore.
Yeah.

498
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:58,000
So, we'll just move along then
some good.

499
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,400
Yeah.
I'm not gonna give these people

500
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,400
any more attention.
Tension.

501
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:01,300
Good.
Fuck them.

502
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,000
And fuck them.
I'm gonna make a diorama of it

503
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,400
though.
With a naked man.

504
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:08,500
For like the adults-only section
of the museum.

505
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,900
Perfect.
I can't wait to see you.

506
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,900
Hmm, we're going to be up there.
We're going to be you guys.

507
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:15,600
You guys are going to model for
it.

508
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,700
Well, okay.
So

509
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:43,400
The snallygaster became so
famous that the Smithsonian Jeff

510
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,000
loves in requested.
A specimen, the military senton

511
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,300
meant to deal with the creature.
Teddy Roosevelt self hope to hot

512
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:55,300
one for a trophy and National
Geographic was said to be

513
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:57,900
mounting an expedition to
capture a photo of the

514
00:31:57,900 --> 00:31:59,500
now-famous creature.
Scott.

515
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:04,100
The local newspapers told of one
man even claimed to witness the

516
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:10,200
creature speaking in which it
said, and quote by dry.

517
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:13,200
I haven't had a good drink since
I was killed in the Battle of

518
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,100
Chickamauga.
This of course led many to

519
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:21,100
believe that the creature was, a
Reincarnation of a soldier that

520
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:25,700
died in the Civil War.
Man, they believe that crap.

521
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:29,700
Absolutely, they ate it all up.
Oh man, they must have been

522
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:33,200
bored.
Oh yeah, they were really bored.

523
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,500
But that story well I think you
read it and way to a dignified

524
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:41,600
of a voice because I hear it in
like what happened on a good

525
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,300
drink.
Like, it sounds really dumb to

526
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:46,300
me.
Louisiana is my cans blood

527
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:04,800
This is not the day.
Throat is so raw so shut up

528
00:33:04,808 --> 00:33:10,400
Jake.
That's right.

529
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,600
His favorite pastime.
Tonight.

530
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:21,500
Anyways, let's talk about j.d.
if you are familiar with our

531
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,600
two-part episodes, on the
history of the Jersey Devil,

532
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:27,700
then you know that we mentioned
the Stanley, gaster in that

533
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:32,800
Series, in January of 1909 the
Jersey Devil went on a rampage

534
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,100
that resulted in schools and
Mills closing down due to how

535
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:40,400
many sightings in the tax that
being reported after this

536
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:46,600
sightings and attacks by JD all
but ceased So is it any

537
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,500
coincidence that when the week
of Terror on the border of New

538
00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:53,900
Jersey and Pennsylvania ended
and a short time later the

539
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:56,700
snallygaster pops up heavily in
Western Maryland.

540
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,900
Could the snallygaster and the
Jersey Devil be one in the same.

541
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:05,300
But there are more similarities
than just that between old JD

542
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:09,699
and snaily similar physical
structures are found between the

543
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:12,000
snallygaster and the Jersey
Devil as well.

544
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:16,600
Physical features, such as,
occasionally being seen standing

545
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,300
by pedaling bat-like Wings, a
blood-curdling, scream, long,

546
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:26,900
skinny legs, and whip-like tail.
But the similarities don't stop

547
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:29,600
there.
The Stanley gaster is said to

548
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,900
have been seen for the first
time in 1735 the same year as

549
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:39,699
the birth of the lead stable,
the Native American tribe known

550
00:34:39,699 --> 00:34:43,400
as the Lenape once populated the
Delaware River area.

551
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,400
According to the Lenape website,
they claimed to have been in

552
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,300
that area, thousands of years,
before the arrival of the new

553
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:53,699
world, explorers the Delaware
River is what stands as the

554
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:55,300
border between the states of
new.

555
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,600
Jersey and Pennsylvania.
And most of the border between

556
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,600
the states of Delaware and New
Jersey, the Lenape refer to this

557
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,800
massive River as possible using,
which translates to the place of

558
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,800
dragons attached to the Delaware
River.

559
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,000
On the Pennsylvania.
Side of Philadelphia is a

560
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,600
tributary known as poquessing
Creek.

561
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:21,400
Only about 200 miles away from
Frederick County Maryland and is

562
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:26,400
yet another name referring to
dragons the Lynette a tribe told

563
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,500
stories and had Legends of for
spirits that were told to the

564
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:34,300
Quaker, people of West Jersey.
They would hold ceremonies

565
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:37,300
honoring their Forest, God,
known as msync.

566
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,100
They describe this deity as dear
like, with wings of hide at the

567
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:47,300
time of the Quaker, arrival
Bulan that bay did not have a

568
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:51,400
concept of a devil or Satan, but
they did believe that good and

569
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,100
bad spirits exist in the world.
Are these hints to a much older

570
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:59,100
version of the Jersey Devil?
Legend been what most people are

571
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:02,500
familiar with the natives.
Have a reason for referring to

572
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:06,900
these places by these names.
And of course, could this be

573
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:11,100
additional proof that the Jersey
Devil in the snallygaster might

574
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:16,500
be the same thing and could this
be the origin of both Legends?

575
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:19,700
And, of course, for more info on
the Jersey Devil.

576
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:23,200
Please check out our one-year
anniversary, special and

577
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,800
back-to-back episodes title
Jersey, Devil, 12-story in

578
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,000
Jersey Devil to encounters.
Sarah, I'm so excited that you

579
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,400
brought this up.
This is one of my favorite

580
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:40,400
theories, the going back to
Native folklore and kind of

581
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,500
seeing where these creatures
originated is really

582
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:45,000
interesting.
And then kind of trying to

583
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,400
figure out where that mashed It
up with immigrants and

584
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,300
colonizers who came over here.
There's another one called The

585
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:58,000
Piazza Bird that's from
Mississippi into Illinois.

586
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,700
That's a very similar kind of
preacher.

587
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,400
And I love to think that there
were these, you know, Dragon

588
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,900
like bees flying around in the
United States at some point

589
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:10,000
before it was, you know, the
United States.

590
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:14,700
And I'm actually giving a talk
on this exact Topic at the

591
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:18,100
Jersey Devil, Fable Fest in May,
Hi.

592
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:21,400
So, I'm super stoked to bust
that out because it's one of my

593
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,600
favorite theories.
That's awesome.

594
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,600
And I also love that school was
canceled because of Jersey devil

595
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,400
attacks, and I wish it would
happen again.

596
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,200
The Piazza bird is the one that
I brought up during the

597
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,200
Thunderbird that was the one
that was painted on the the cave

598
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,000
wall and stuff or on the wall of
the is going to.

599
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,700
I thought that something really
Urban now.

600
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:47,500
Yeah, which lace looking at the
pictures now of the painting or

601
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:49,700
the re-creation of the painting
rather because it's been

602
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:56,200
destroyed, it would certainly
have some features that are

603
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,600
similar and on this, on this
show, Show Sarah.

604
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,700
We put a lot of weight into
Native American lore granted.

605
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:11,100
You know, every culture on Earth
at one point had their own form

606
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:16,000
of Mythology, but when it comes
to the reality of certain

607
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:22,600
animals or beings or whatever,
you know, who would better know

608
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,300
what was there than the people
that lived outside and survived

609
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:30,800
outside 24/7?
T5, right.

610
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:36,900
So There is a there is a line
right there of you know, where

611
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,000
what was mythology, what was
real.

612
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:44,500
We kind of put Bigfoot into both
of those categories.

613
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:48,100
Depending there you go, there's
the Bigfoot drugs, ability for

614
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:50,900
the episode, but we put it into
kind of both those categories.

615
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:53,300
They're certainly certainly a
lot of Mythology around that

616
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:57,400
though it certainly could be
real although not verified by

617
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,800
science yet in a body recovery
or whatever.

618
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,100
But I like how You Jeremy.
You said that the river was

619
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:11,000
named names in that blue.
Yeah.

620
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,700
What was the translation?
The place of dragons.

621
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:14,700
That's it.
Okay.

622
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:16,800
Yeah.
So I like that.

623
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,300
I think that's pretty cool.
I mean I personally believe that

624
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:26,200
at some point humans and
dinosaurs live together do this

625
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,300
who believe the dinosaurs ever
existed.

626
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,400
Wow well yeah Jeff hasn't come
and blown our minds yet.

627
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,200
That was supposed to be two
weeks ago and Dragons.

628
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:35,900
Existed in my opinion.
Dinosaurs, I don't know about

629
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:37,400
all.
How could you say that dragons

630
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,100
exist dinosaurs did?
It will get into it when the

631
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:42,000
time comes my friend, don't you
worry?

632
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:47,600
Well, listen having gone to a
very enriching public school

633
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,600
education in Texas.
I'm going to let you guys know

634
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,100
that dragons definitely did
exist but that the devil put

635
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:57,600
dinosaurs bones on the earth to
trick us.

636
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:06,100
Could be fact.
I would history teacher / gym,

637
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:10,200
coach would never lie.
I know about that.

638
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:16,200
Definitely, but I mean dragons
are biblical, thousands and

639
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,200
thousands of years ago.
I mean that's the best

640
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,000
translation that could be pulled
out was the word Dragon a whole

641
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,200
bunch of times so I don't know
maybe.

642
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,600
Yeah.
I mean I like that.

643
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,200
I like that there's it's not
just because the Germans coming

644
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,400
over and bringing all their
crazy fairy tales they had.

645
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,900
Which I still meet people today,
that have no idea that all the

646
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:41,900
Disney movies are based off of,
like, German folklore and

647
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:44,900
fairytales and they're super
dark, you know, very

648
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:47,800
entertaining and pretty crazy.
So the fact that they came over

649
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,900
here and they had their version
of the snallygaster and their

650
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:53,400
stories about, I mean, doesn't
surprise me whatsoever.

651
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,000
But I was tickled to hear that
there was a native folklore

652
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,900
around it because that to me
puts more weight into this

653
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:04,200
thing.
Being based off of a real

654
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,900
Something versus just so.
Okay yeah.

655
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,400
So these people that were really
dang good at making up stories

656
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,000
to scare the crap out of their
kids.

657
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,500
Had another story to scare the
crap out their kids, great.

658
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:17,600
And uh, so I salute Lee, that's
pretty cool, enjoy that

659
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,400
thoroughly.
And if you go with a native lore

660
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,600
to you did get the because the
snallygaster has the do I owe

661
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,500
Ordway?
Oh however, you'd like to say

662
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:30,200
it, you know, Nemesis situation.
And that's a dog, man.

663
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,100
And there are, I don't know if
you guys have done dog, man, but

664
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:36,200
there's like a lot of ties
between dog men and Native

665
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,000
burial sites.
So I find that kind of

666
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,700
interesting as well that it also
plays into the that part of the

667
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:46,500
mythology.
But no, that's some really cool

668
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:50,900
stuff.
I also like when the native lore

669
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:57,200
ties in it adds that depth to it
and that more believable death

670
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,200
that if they were talking about
it way back then and we're still

671
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,500
talking about it.
Now maybe there is something

672
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:05,800
there.
No, I'm totally on board with

673
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,100
that.
Hey buddy, bear with us while we

674
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:18,500
take this quick break.
In 1932 the snallygaster was

675
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:21,500
back and sightings were popping
up all over the country.

676
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:25,200
Well-known Explorer author.
And radio journalist Lowell

677
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,300
Thomas was even reported on the
creature and the many sightings

678
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,500
due to the Gap.
In time between the flaps of the

679
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:36,800
creature, many believe that the
ones that were showing up in 32,

680
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:41,400
were The Offspring of the one
from 1909 and the attack on the

681
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,800
train station in Emmitsburg may
have spelled the end for the OG

682
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,600
snaily.
Some even came up with the idea

683
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,000
that there may have been a nest
somewhere hidden in South

684
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,900
Mountain, that protect the eggs,
for a lengthy, 23-year

685
00:42:55,900 --> 00:43:01,000
incubation period, yes, 23 years
does seem kind of silly.

686
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:05,000
So did this creature really come
from The Brood of the original?

687
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,100
Well, there was one major
difference with this creature.

688
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,100
It seemed to be able to change
colors.

689
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:13,400
It will even with that and it's
description.

690
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:17,500
It was thought that this
creature was Indeed in offspring

691
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,600
of the famous 1909, Stone
yester, the headline of the

692
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,200
Morning, Herald of Hagerstown.
Is that how you pronounce it by

693
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,900
the way?
Hagerstown, yes.

694
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:30,600
It's Hagerstown, but we call it
Hagar's Tucky around here, but

695
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:36,000
we're right on in Pax River, we
had Smits.

696
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,600
Southern Maryland and breads.
The headline of the Morning,

697
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,600
Herald of Hagerstown on
December.

698
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,900
Twenty first, nineteen thirty
two red death of snellie gaster

699
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:53,400
is reported reports.
Differ assume that the Thirsty

700
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,600
creature wasn't craving blood
this evening.

701
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,200
And instead, was in you
something with a little more of

702
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,800
a Alcoholic content, this led
the monster to action can

703
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,400
counties Frog Hollow which was a
hot spot for moonshiners being

704
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,000
attracted by a 2500 gallon
moonshine bet the smelly gas

705
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,500
turbine came inebriated and fell
into the mash of the gigantic.

706
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:21,200
Still the operation and body of
the creature was discovered by

707
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,600
prohibition agents, George T,
Danforth of the Hagerstown

708
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,700
agency and Deputy Charles E, KU
schwa.

709
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,100
Of the Sheriff's Office agent
Danforth was quoted in

710
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:36,700
Middletown Valley.
Register saying, quote, imagine

711
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:40,600
are feeling when our eyes Feast
them, monsters emerged in the

712
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,100
liquor, vat.
Yeah.

713
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,900
So those guys I don't have any
record of them being real and I

714
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:48,700
have theories that those were
actually Men In Black.

715
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,900
That went to shut up the
Moonshiners and then went rogue

716
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,800
because they did these
interviews and then kind of fell

717
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,100
off the face of the Earth and
then inexplicably.

718
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:02,200
Probably used a bunch of
dynamite to blow up the moon

719
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,400
shine outfit rather than
repurpose the metal, which would

720
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,100
have been the more reasonable
thing to do.

721
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:13,500
So I have like a lot of weird
feelings about that whole part

722
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:15,000
of the story.
You know.

723
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,100
It doesn't make any sense that
you'd see this giant, you know,

724
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,500
Amazing Dragon creature and the
just feel like now we're going

725
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:25,200
to blow it up and they were all
these rewards out for it and

726
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,000
everything else.
It's just it's super weird.

727
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,500
I feel like there was some kind
of cover-up that went wrong Song

728
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,700
sounds like something the
Smithsonian would do.

729
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:35,100
That's where all the Men in
Black.

730
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:38,500
Come from come on Jeff Jarrett a
minute.

731
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:41,000
Hold up.
Say stuff.

732
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,100
Well I was just going to agree
about the Smithsonian being full

733
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:48,000
of shit but then she hit me with
the Men in Black, come from the

734
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,700
Smithsonian and part of me feels
like that's a joke and the other

735
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:53,200
part of me is like, wait a
minute.

736
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,800
No.
Do they want to control the

737
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,900
narrative?
They want to control history?

738
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:59,600
No no for real.
Like it just made me think about

739
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,100
that and I was like okay because
you think they get all those

740
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:05,100
artifacts I'm under the The
belief that history is a

741
00:46:05,107 --> 00:46:08,800
complete lie.
So I'm right there with you, I'm

742
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,500
with it.
So Jeff is the host of another

743
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:13,300
podcast that he does on
conspiracies.

744
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,800
And I can totally tell he's
going to do an entire episode on

745
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,400
this Smithsonian.
Men In Black connection.

746
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,700
Do a job.
Yeah.

747
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:23,200
Oh yeah.
I mean I got to dig into it but

748
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,400
it sounds like something up.
My alley, for sure.

749
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:31,300
I wonder if they got If they
took the story of the

750
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:34,500
snallygaster and Loosely turned
it into the Jeepers Creepers

751
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:36,300
movie.
That's what I was thinking too.

752
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:38,600
Because the every 23 years and
stuff.

753
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,300
Yeah.
Bad.

754
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:43,100
That he'll think it was.
What's that term Jeff?

755
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:47,500
Where they put stuff in the
programming, predictive

756
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:50,300
programming.
So you start talking about this

757
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:54,600
shit and they start saying that
you're an idiot just like the

758
00:46:54,600 --> 00:47:00,500
ancient alien Theory where the
Flintstones had kazoo a little

759
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:02,800
alien that flew around and
helping out with technology.

760
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:05,600
So that when you talk about
Ancient Aliens, helping out

761
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,000
people build, you know, like
Stonehenge and Machu Picchu, and

762
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,800
stuff like that.
That you look like an idiot and

763
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,900
you're getting that reference
from from Flint stone.

764
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,600
That's Flintstone's.
Also had a series of books about

765
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,100
the snallygaster.
I saw that on your webpage was

766
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:25,900
really awesome creeping me out
mmm-hmm and isn't it weird that

767
00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:27,600
The Flintstones are still
around?

768
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:30,300
Round even though they're show
isn't that, you can still find

769
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:32,900
Flintstone vitamins.
Tell me a kid, who knows who the

770
00:47:32,908 --> 00:47:36,900
fuck Flintstones are right now?
Is it near the theory that the

771
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:38,900
Flintstones are actually living
on the earth?

772
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:42,600
And it's the same time period as
The Jetsons but like the

773
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,800
redistribution of wealth has
caused such a massive shift in

774
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,600
technology that like all the
rich people like The Jetsons are

775
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,900
like Jeff Bezos and then the
rest of us would be The

776
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:55,300
Flintstones.
So there is a huge Theory there.

777
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,400
Ralph, we're going down, we're
going down a rabbit hole now,

778
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:00,800
but they did that crossover
episode Between The Jetsons in

779
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,600
The Flintstones and that that
was like the big birth of that.

780
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:07,500
I don't have time to go down
that rabbit hole right now, but

781
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:10,800
that, that is a definitely come
on back next week and we'll talk

782
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:16,200
about the Jetsons, right?
I love those.

783
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,400
Kinds of theories are like when
they say that the, like

784
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,700
Terminator and Matrix is all the
same universe or what was the

785
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:27,600
other one, Fallout and Skyrim or
the same universe and

786
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,900
Snowpiercer and Willy Wonka, and
the Chocolate Factory, the same

787
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:33,500
universe.
That one, that's my fave.

788
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:36,000
I don't I can't see how that's
tied in though.

789
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,200
Oh, you got to go down the
rabbit hole.

790
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,400
I'm telling you right now, I
will as it turns out, we are

791
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,600
great explorers of the rabbit
hole.

792
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:51,500
So we do.
So yeah, when we're not Prague

793
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:55,100
bowling, we're storing it into
the rabbit hole reputation is

794
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:59,800
destroyed with her.
She was like, Oh, you mean all

795
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,300
those pod Ballers over there?
No, Phantom, hog ball.

796
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:07,200
All right, let's go.
Going in 1837 the first ever

797
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,200
major highway was completed and
span from Vidalia, Illinois to

798
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Cumberland Maryland.
During the years after

799
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,700
completion of the Highway
Cumberland, became an area

800
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:22,600
flooded with homeless, and
criminals on the run, every

801
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,100
person who had a reason to leave
from Illinois.

802
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:28,400
Indiana, Ohio, West, Virginia,
Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky

803
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,300
hitched rides along the National
Road and settled where the

804
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:34,400
highway ended in Allegheny
County.

805
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,700
County Maryland the two counties
immediately, east of the end of

806
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:41,900
the road.
Are you guessed it?

807
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:46,100
Washington and Frederick
County's home of the most dense

808
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:50,000
sightings of this Telecaster.
It is due to this reason that

809
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,800
many believe that the creature
was fabricated by the local

810
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,300
governments, breast to dissuade
those who wish to escape their

811
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:59,700
past from building a new life in
the hills and mountains of

812
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:04,200
Western Maryland.
Another reason many believe that

813
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,200
the snallygaster may have been
made up was because the end of

814
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,300
the Civil War, brought many
changes to many areas in the

815
00:50:11,308 --> 00:50:14,200
South and Western, Maryland is
no exception.

816
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:18,100
In fact, many freed slaves, came
up through the hills and

817
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:23,000
Maryland and along the National
Road to search for new lives in

818
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:28,200
the northern states, 45 years,
removed, and 45 years of people

819
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:31,300
that were none too happy at that
freed slaves were passing.

820
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:35,200
Through their towns, may have
given birth to the say Lancaster

821
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:39,100
as a deterrent for those using
the value in between the hills

822
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,400
as passed to a better life.
The evidence to back this up

823
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,600
comes with the first known
victim of a Stanley.

824
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,400
Gaster Black Man by the name of
Bill, give Herson was thrown off

825
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,100
a hillside to his death and the
sequential headline of the

826
00:50:54,100 --> 00:51:00,000
register the day after reads.
Quote, the colored people are in

827
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,800
great Danger, So that's what I
was talking about.

828
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,900
How we'll dive a little bit more
into that hope that ties into

829
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:10,300
what you were talking about
another.

830
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:15,100
Yeah, it's very much like the
the black Boogeyman, like, just

831
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:19,800
a threatening way to keep black
people down and in line and

832
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,600
stuff saying, like the boogeyman
will get you that's that's

833
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,000
jacked.
It is awful.

834
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:28,000
It's an awful part of the
history.

835
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,900
I saw a couple different sources
on this and I was trying to do

836
00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:36,000
the math when it came to like
historical dates and stuff to

837
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,600
find out which one was true.
Now I found one that said that

838
00:51:39,607 --> 00:51:44,100
they were trying to keep you
know ex-slaves out and that they

839
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,500
were trying to keep present
slaves in.

840
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:52,100
So the slaves that were in these
counties, they were trying to

841
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:56,200
keep them from trying to leave
and they were saying that any A

842
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,900
slave caught trying to leave
will be snatched up by the snail

843
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:01,200
gaster.
And then there were conflicting

844
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,600
reports that were saying know
what's actually happening is

845
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:11,200
that people are ex-slaves are
coming through the valleys in

846
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,700
between the mountains and using
them as highways to get to the

847
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:17,300
North.
And we don't want them in our

848
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:19,500
towns.
So, if you come over here, this

849
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:20,000
now.
Yes.

850
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:24,200
So I don't know if it was a
mixture of both or if it was one

851
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,200
or the other, but by dou by By
date alone.

852
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:33,100
And when all the slavery should
have been abolished I lean

853
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:35,500
towards the one where they were
trying to keep them away.

854
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,800
So that's why I included that I
I would say it's a little bit of

855
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,500
both because you don't, you
know, if you're these people if

856
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:47,300
you want to subjugate people and
you want to keep people

857
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:51,400
enslaved, the last thing that
you want is the people who you

858
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,300
are enslaving to meet people who
are making their way to Freedom,

859
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,200
you know, that's going to be
everyone's going to turn on you.

860
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,000
You're going to have rebellion
and I It's a little bit of both

861
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,200
and it was it was a fear tactic
that I'm happy to say.

862
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,800
I don't believe it worked.
I found, I have to look it up

863
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,800
again, but I found a recording
of this man telling the story of

864
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:23,400
some enslave people who were
told this lie and they actually

865
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:27,100
made it to Freedom anyway.
So, they like escaped fully

866
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:29,900
thinking that this dragon is
going to come down and like, eat

867
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:31,800
them.
And I think that's one of the

868
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,700
most Most like badass heroic
things I've ever heard because

869
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:39,300
like in those times, you know,
it was totally believable that

870
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:43,200
that was going to happen and to,
to want your freedom so badly

871
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,400
and to do something that brave
it's incredible.

872
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:52,000
And because of that really ugly
history with the snallygaster, I

873
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,400
wanted to kind of reclaim it,
and make it a thing that like

874
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,800
could not become a racist, dog
whistle again.

875
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:03,700
So, I thought, you know, if I If
I have this interest in it and I

876
00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:07,600
present all this information
and, you know, I kind of feel, I

877
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,500
make myself the person that you
go to when you want to talk

878
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:12,800
about it.
It's a lot harder for people to

879
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,200
co-opt it and turn it into
something ugly again, because

880
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,100
you're going to have to go
through me and all of the

881
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:21,300
Cryptid weirdos that, you know,
have have come around this

882
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:24,900
community and, and supported
this whole movement.

883
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:27,700
So that was like a big pull for
me.

884
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:31,700
Just, you know, seeing the way
that memes and media and things

885
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:34,300
like that can get turned into
something ugly so quickly.

886
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:38,300
And, you know, it was happening,
even in 1909 so people don't

887
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:40,400
change much.
You guys got anything else out

888
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,200
here, sir.
I agree with the way to kind of,

889
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:51,400
save the topic from being being
used as a tool for evil again.

890
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:56,000
However, it was initially
intended with keeping ex-slaves

891
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,800
away or keeping current slaves
in.

892
00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:06,600
It's infuriating.
It's a truly the way that people

893
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,100
over just history in general
have treated others as just

894
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:13,400
absolutely disgusting.
Yeah, at times I mean, I'm

895
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,200
trying to lead it into something
positive and to make the

896
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,900
snallygaster kind of a more
Progressive icon.

897
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:23,600
Then he was previously, I think
it's kind of cool that there's a

898
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,900
23-year you know, hatch cycle,
Incarnation whatever because I

899
00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:30,800
like to believe, you know, every
new finale.

900
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,100
Gaster learns from the mistakes
of the Ones.

901
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,600
And, you know, that, so our next
hatch cycle, I believe would be

902
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,300
like 2024 and that's an ally.
Gaster is just going to be like,

903
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:44,100
super liberal and awesome and
it's going to be president and

904
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:47,800
like, you know, to be great.
So like for, you know, he's

905
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,400
learning from his mistakes,
smelly for Perez, awesome.

906
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,100
All right, let's talk about TC
Harbaugh according to Susan

907
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:00,400
fairs book Mysteries and lore of
Western Maryland.

908
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,200
The author of the original
letter claiming to be from a man

909
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,400
who witnessed the staunch death
of a man by the hand of the

910
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:13,600
snallygaster went by the name of
Thomas Chalmers Harbaugh AKA TC.

911
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:18,700
Harbaugh Harbaugh was an author
of over 650 novel spanning from

912
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:22,500
fiction to historical which most
featured his hometown of

913
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:26,600
Middletown, Maryland.
As a child, TC was moved to cast

914
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,300
down Ohio by his parents but he
always loved Middletown and

915
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:33,500
visited heavily throughout his
lifetime.

916
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:37,400
Many of his books were written
about the area and one of his

917
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,200
best friend's was the editor of
the Middletown Valley register.

918
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:44,200
During the time that he sent the
letter into many different

919
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,700
newspapers in the area.
TC also spent a healthy amount

920
00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:50,400
of time as a contributor for the
newspaper.

921
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,300
It was just after the first flap
of Snail gaster, sightings that

922
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:57,400
hard while returned to his
beloved Maryland where he grew

923
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:03,100
old poor and sick and in 1924
died after being sent back to

924
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:07,200
Ohio to be Therefore, by his
family were all of these

925
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,600
sightings of the strange
creature.

926
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,400
That flooded, the Skies of
Western Maryland, really just

927
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,400
delusional residents of the area
clinging onto a piece written in

928
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,300
the local newspaper by a man who
was famous for writing

929
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:21,300
fictional, novels.
Or was this something that was

930
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:24,900
produced solely by the press and
local authorities to keep

931
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:28,600
certain people away from the
area or was there actually

932
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,900
something that came down from
New Jersey, the temporarily

933
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:34,000
torture, a different area for a
little.

934
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:36,800
I'll but was it something
completely different?

935
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,000
Maybe something that many
believe was created into this

936
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,800
world, by the collective,
thoughts and fear of those in

937
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,800
the area.
What do you guys think?

938
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:47,800
Oh my gosh, okay, I'm really
excited that you said that

939
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,900
because I was like, I muted
myself, because I was good.

940
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:52,100
Getting too excited.
I'm like, because the

941
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:55,500
snallygaster is a tulpa.
That's exactly what it is.

942
00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:59,400
They like chopped into the
collective unconscious and fears

943
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,800
of all these people.
And that's why you have the kind

944
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,200
of Of cool folklore native
Legend, dragon, and then you

945
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:13,100
have this ugly Twisted version
that was out to do bad things.

946
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,800
So I absolutely love that idea.
What's Adam opener at OPA is

947
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,900
something that is brought into
existence by thought of our, by

948
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:29,900
way of powerful thought or the
prayer and, and wish fulness of

949
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:33,500
large group of people.
CJ would know more about this

950
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:35,300
than I Oh, that's kind of his
thing.

951
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:41,000
I'm not too familiar with tulpas
but basically if enough people

952
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,400
believe in it, it it forces
itself into existence.

953
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:49,100
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Or if there's enough effort put

954
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:52,400
into it.
I believe that idea 100%, I'm

955
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,100
with that real quick.
Before we get into final

956
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:59,400
thoughts, just want to touch on
two more things, one the delay,

957
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,900
0.
Dwayne Bowe is an upright

958
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:04,900
walking cane.
It was very similar features as

959
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:08,400
the popular dog man spotted
throughout North America and

960
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,800
other like anthropic T.
Type creatures of many other

961
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,100
countries around the world.
The dwaesseo is said to be the

962
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:19,400
mortal enemy of the snallygaster
and instead to attack the say

963
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,800
Lancaster on site, with the
first tales of the creature,

964
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,500
dating back to 1944 and the
biggest flap of sightings being

965
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:29,900
from 1965 some theorize a way
out.

966
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:34,600
Oh, and snaily gaster are
somehow tied together, but that

967
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:37,700
is all, we will be talking about
in terms of the Duelo tonight.

968
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,300
Stay tuned to a future episode
of infinite Rabbit Hole.

969
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:43,600
When we dive into the lore of
the Duelo, and another creature

970
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:49,000
that shares the same geological
Niche, the snarl yow, Anybody

971
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,000
have anything else to add,
especially you Sarah before I

972
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,200
start getting into final
thoughts?

973
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,500
I think we already talked about
the dog, man, burial mound

974
00:59:58,500 --> 01:00:01,200
connection, but the duay, oh,
Sally.

975
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:06,600
Gaster fighting thing is so
weird and I can't really figure

976
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,900
out exactly where it came from,
because it really just popped up

977
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:12,900
out of nowhere.
But it's so cool and it's has

978
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:16,900
spawned some really cool
artwork, but my favorite thing

979
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:21,800
that it has spawned is a lightly
erotic Cryptid novel.

980
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,600
That was emailed to me.
So upsetting.

981
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:32,600
So in the novel it's like the
snallygaster couple and the

982
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:37,600
Duelo family are like fighting
and I guess that way has like

983
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,600
went in and ate all the
snallygaster eggs which is

984
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,100
great.
You get some world-building and

985
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:46,800
then you get like, five pages in
and just so much explanation

986
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,500
about snallygaster mating.
So, I'm glad that for

987
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:54,000
everything, you know, of this
legend that I got to read that

988
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,000
with my eyes.
And now, I can never unknow that

989
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:02,700
information right on.
I have a theory and I don't know

990
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:06,900
if this is true or not, but when
I was looking for books to read

991
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:09,600
on the snallygaster, I don't
know if this is the one that

992
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,300
you're talking about, but I came
across a fictional novel by a

993
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:17,900
Stephen hamling, you know,
anything about that?

994
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,100
Not that one.
So I don't know how old this

995
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:26,000
this book is.
Actually it says it was

996
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,400
publication 22 so not very
likely.

997
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,800
I was actually gonna say maybe
maybe this is something that was

998
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,600
like a fictional story may be
included in like a newspaper or

999
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,500
something.
People kind of just jumped onto

1000
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:44,600
it was newspapers way of
mashing, the two legends

1001
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,200
together and it just kind of
stuck.

1002
01:01:47,300 --> 01:01:48,900
I like it.
I'm going to be honest with you.

1003
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:53,200
I mean I'm not local but from
the outside taking that to

1004
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,500
Cryptids are in Mortal battle.
With each other.

1005
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:57,600
I think that's pretty cool.
No, it's pretty sweet.

1006
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,800
I would rather the snallygaster
fight the goat, man, but like,

1007
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,100
I'll take it.
They can all just be a Royal

1008
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:07,600
Rumble of Maryland, Cryptids,
Thunderdome Cryptid Thunder down

1009
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,800
which Goatman the Maryland,
Beltsville Goatman, the only

1010
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,600
ones real, okay?
I thought you meant that, I

1011
01:02:14,607 --> 01:02:16,900
thought you meant that guy that
we have that lives in the next

1012
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:19,500
County over that you just runs
around with goats.

1013
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:22,100
It's crazy.
Wait, what?

1014
01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:26,800
Yeah, the Goatman like he run,
he runs around in the field with

1015
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,800
them, know you like, picks him
up and he runs around with him

1016
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,000
in there like that.
But just like runs at people

1017
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,000
screaming, he's just a good
credible.

1018
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:37,500
I was just like I like what
Goatman is this guy fighting?

1019
01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:39,800
Because if he's fighting this
one, he's definitely losing.

1020
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,600
Yeah, absolutely can go to
people.

1021
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,500
This guy's legit scary.
Yeah.

1022
01:02:48,300 --> 01:02:49,900
Are we good or else?
This goat mantle?

1023
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,300
Well, whether you're good or
bad.

1024
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:52,800
He'll come get you.
So it doesn't matter.

1025
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:54,600
What you guys gonna make out at
you?

1026
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,600
Sir, you got anything else to
add?

1027
01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:59,700
What did I miss?
How bad did I fuck up?

1028
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,300
No, I'm really excited that you
guys are going to cover the

1029
01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:05,100
snarl Yow because that's another
favorite of mine.

1030
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:10,900
But honestly, there's not a ton
of way of smelly information,

1031
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:14,900
like, it was like a few new
stories spread out, but like,

1032
01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:17,700
there's not a whole lot of like,
actual folklore around it, but I

1033
01:03:17,707 --> 01:03:23,200
could find, I do like that.
I don't know if you got See

1034
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,600
these ones, but there were a few
1932 stories.

1035
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,300
That said, the snallygaster was
riding around on a unicycle with

1036
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:33,100
like water wings on.
There's some really goofy

1037
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:37,900
drawings that I enjoy like, it
got really silly and then there

1038
01:03:37,900 --> 01:03:43,800
was a UFO sighting flap in 1947
that some people said was the

1039
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,700
snallygaster and some said it
was UFO that I'm still kind of

1040
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:50,200
tracking down and hoping maybe
some people that were alive

1041
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:55,600
during that time can give me
like a First hand account but

1042
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,200
you know the snallygaster is
really interesting because it

1043
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,200
does tie in a lot with American
history and I think that's what

1044
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,300
makes it special and that's why
I included American in the name

1045
01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:09,700
of the museum because I feel
like it's like a very uniquely

1046
01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:14,500
American Cryptid.
That just has like a lot going

1047
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:17,000
on.
The Duomo is super cool.

1048
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,300
And I love dog man and
everything but I'm not

1049
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:22,800
dedicating with a huge portion
of the museum.

1050
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,800
Do I owe stuff?
Unless some new information

1051
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,600
comes out, but it's Super Rad
and I'm glad you guys are going

1052
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,800
to do a Duo star, Liao
discussion.

1053
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,400
I'm excited to hear it and maybe
we'll have you back on for.

1054
01:04:34,900 --> 01:04:38,500
I would absolutely love that.
It's not the plans yet but when

1055
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:40,100
it happened, so preach out for
sure.

1056
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:41,600
Yeah.
I'll send you some creepy

1057
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,600
pictures.
So there's actually this Chapel

1058
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,500
built by Madeleine Dahlgren and
she was the one that wrote South

1059
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:50,100
Mountain magic.
She's entombed in it, which I

1060
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:51,800
recently learned.
And I think that's pretty

1061
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,600
badass.
But there's a A sign that's like

1062
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,900
beware this gnarly out and it
has some of the Legend on there

1063
01:04:56,900 --> 01:04:59,500
and I think that's super cool.
It's like right on South

1064
01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:02,700
Mountain where the star Leah
would have been out, yapping,

1065
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:05,300
around and scaring people.
Nice.

1066
01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:10,000
I actually am trying to track
down a copy of South Mountain

1067
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,600
magic after reading that book
that you recommended to me.

1068
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,100
Yeah, it's a hard one to find
but it's good.

1069
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:18,600
Gotta find it.
So what is it?

1070
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,200
There are a lot of different
ideas when it comes to what the

1071
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:27,100
snallygaster actually is.
Some say, it's a Thunderbird.

1072
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,600
Why do people think it's a
Pteranodon left over from the

1073
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,800
prehistoric ages?
Some even claim that it's an

1074
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,500
unknown creature.
From Middle-earth that came up

1075
01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:38,500
through the Earth's crust by
South Mountain.

1076
01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:41,000
After earthquake, whatever it
is.

1077
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,300
I can't help but notice a trend
in this area of the country,

1078
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,700
with the likes of the Jersey
Devil, Mothman and a few others

1079
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,500
sporting very similar.
But also drastically different

1080
01:05:51,500 --> 01:05:55,200
prescriptions in the same
geographical area of the United

1081
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,500
States.
One other creature that has seen

1082
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:02,800
alarming similarity to is the
Van Meter visitor of Iowa in

1083
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,700
1903.
There are those that think the

1084
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:09,800
snallygaster is just a sandhill
crane or a different bird of

1085
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,900
similar stature.
And yes, of course, there are a

1086
01:06:13,908 --> 01:06:17,500
lot of people who believe that
is just folklore and nothing

1087
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:22,000
more.
My personal opinion is that I

1088
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,500
sit on the fence on this one.
I'm not going to bore you with

1089
01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:28,000
the details about why I think it
might not be real.

1090
01:06:28,700 --> 01:06:31,300
So I'll dive into why it might
be real.

1091
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:34,400
And the clue for me are the
tentacles.

1092
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:39,100
So this detail bothered me.
I couldn't find anything that

1093
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:43,300
was close to being an avian or
mammal that also had tentacles.

1094
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,400
But what I did find while
looking at Birds, We're

1095
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,600
chickens.
If you believe that dinosaurs

1096
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,400
were in fact real don't worry,
Jeff, we know you don't then you

1097
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,800
should also know that we have
minimal knowledge of what they

1098
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,000
actually look like.
What we do know, by genetic

1099
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,200
testing and comparing bone
structures to other avians.

1100
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,200
Is that The Reptilian asked
dinosaurs were also, very

1101
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:13,800
closely related to birds could
dinosaurs have had what chickens

1102
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,100
and roosters have on their faces
chins and foreheads.

1103
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:22,000
You know what I'm talking about?
That red thing while that red

1104
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:26,400
thing is what's called a waddle.
And I'll tell you one thing, I

1105
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,400
didn't know what a lot of was.
I sure might think it were

1106
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,800
tentacles if attached to a
Pteranodon type animal flying

1107
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:36,800
around in the sky.
So here's my point of view on

1108
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,300
the matter if this is real and I
think there's a really good

1109
01:07:40,300 --> 01:07:42,900
chance it was.
I think it could have been a

1110
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:46,300
terror and it could have been a
teardown like creature sporting

1111
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:49,300
a fat waddle that many claim to
be 10.

1112
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:53,300
It's growing out of its mouth
chin and or top of its head.

1113
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:58,000
What do you think?
I absolutely love that theory.

1114
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,800
I actually posted reposted
something, my friend sent me.

1115
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,300
It was like a bird with one of
those Waddles that went kind of

1116
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:08,400
around his beak and it looks
like tentacles and I, you know,

1117
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,600
obviously the dinosaurs becoming
bird saying is awesome.

1118
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,500
So I think that's a super cool
one.

1119
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,399
I have a whole part in the
museum and and that I'm going to

1120
01:08:19,407 --> 01:08:21,000
be doing it.
Van Meter visitor Fest,

1121
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:25,600
hopefully, about pteranodons
still being around and flying.

1122
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:29,700
Cryptids being, you know, kind
of related to them and then, you

1123
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:34,200
know, there's a few photos as
one that's like the Civil War

1124
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,000
soldiers with the dead
Pteranodon.

1125
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,000
And then there's the one that
was like a re-creation of the

1126
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,700
guys holding the big one that
some people say is a

1127
01:08:40,707 --> 01:08:43,500
Thunderbird.
It's from like the wild west

1128
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:47,100
days or whatever.
So I think that's really a

1129
01:08:47,100 --> 01:08:51,100
pretty valid Theory especially
given that South Mountain is the

1130
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:54,000
second oldest mountain range in
the world you know it's part of

1131
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,399
the Blue Ridge Mountains and I
think the only And rage older

1132
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:59,899
than that is in Africa.
So it's plausible to me that a

1133
01:08:59,907 --> 01:09:03,500
dinosaur could have somehow
lived in the depths of the earth

1134
01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:04,800
and come out through the
mountain.

1135
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:07,800
I think I would believe that
sooner than I would believe it

1136
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,700
was riding a unicycle with water
wings on.

1137
01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:14,200
So no hold on.
It's pretty believable.

1138
01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:17,600
I agree good.
Yeah I think that it could be

1139
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:22,200
absolutely a Tara Don or some
other type of flying reptile

1140
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,600
that had that loose Flappy skin
all over.

1141
01:09:25,700 --> 01:09:28,899
It's face then you know, why
not?

1142
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:31,700
I wanted to say I was just
looking at pictures of vultures

1143
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:33,600
because I wanted to say that
there was a type of vulture that

1144
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,800
had this like had its own
Volturi kind of a waddle, but it

1145
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,700
was more like a long stringy
flap of skin hanging off just

1146
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:44,399
above its beak, but I couldn't
find any pictures and I'm just

1147
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,700
like I wonder what type of bird
that was if it wasn't a vulture,

1148
01:09:46,700 --> 01:09:49,700
but I can totally get behind
that because I agree.

1149
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,200
You know, II agree that I
personally think that dinosaurs

1150
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:59,000
existed.
But that they probably didn't

1151
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:03,000
look quite as menacing as we're
led to believe that they are

1152
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,400
because even paleontologists
can't really all come together

1153
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,100
on.
What dinosaurs actually look

1154
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:09,800
like.
If all the bones are lined up

1155
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,700
the way they're supposed to be
and stuff and so it's just like

1156
01:10:12,700 --> 01:10:15,400
yeah why not?
You know it plus you know all we

1157
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,000
have is bones, we don't have
skin, right?

1158
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,100
So if they had some giant like
gnarly, growths all over their

1159
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:25,500
faces and stuff, we would have
no idea because of you know, who

1160
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:25,800
knows?
Rose.

1161
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,700
Maybe all the dinosaurs died out
because of skin disease who have

1162
01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:31,400
no idea because all we have is
Bones, right?

1163
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:37,700
So I think that that's a pretty
valid argument and I, you know,

1164
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:42,100
can get behind, especially once
we get into the whole

1165
01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:45,500
pterodactyl, still being alive
and stuff, I can definitely get

1166
01:10:45,500 --> 01:10:49,200
behind something like that.
Existing somewhere, or having

1167
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:53,100
existed at some point, you know,
recently in the last couple

1168
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:58,900
hundred years, maybe not Right
now, but I did have a question.

1169
01:10:58,900 --> 01:11:04,600
Is there any known or I want to
say more valid sightings of the

1170
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:09,400
snallygaster in recent times,
besides just things that came

1171
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,800
around during the end of the
Civil War and then the early

1172
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:18,400
1900s, no, there really haven't
been, I'll a words in 1947 like

1173
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:23,300
UFO, Sally, got everything, but
like a lot of Cryptids once you

1174
01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:26,400
get modern technology involved
and the The ability to

1175
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,800
photograph it or videotape it it
suddenly doesn't appear anymore.

1176
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,900
So I wished that there was, I
would be so excited but no,

1177
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:38,300
sadly, no modern, smelly
sightings.

1178
01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:40,700
But like I said, you know, two
more years that we've got the

1179
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:43,900
egg hatching so you never know.
I mean, yeah.

1180
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:47,700
I mean that's and that's fair
because I mean like there's

1181
01:11:47,700 --> 01:11:51,700
still probably pull up a Loch
Ness monster siding from

1182
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:55,100
yesterday but there's no
pictures, there's no videos

1183
01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:57,900
obviously.
It it's just I don't know, I

1184
01:11:57,907 --> 01:12:00,800
don't know.
Don't know how much I want to

1185
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:03,600
pour into this one knowing that
we're going to be talking about

1186
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,600
pterodactyls and I don't want to
repeat the same information but

1187
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:11,200
I think that there's a
possibility that it could exist

1188
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,400
but certainly not in the way, it
was described.

1189
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,300
Exactly.
Like, I don't think there was

1190
01:12:16,300 --> 01:12:20,000
like octopus tentacles at coming
out of its mouth and stuff and

1191
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,400
breathing fire wearing watering
wings while riding.

1192
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:26,500
Yeah, there's a lot of people
that Claim you know, maybe it

1193
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:30,400
had a stake in its mouth or hey
as building a nest with or

1194
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:34,000
number of many different things.
People just saw it, you know?

1195
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,700
And they saw the silhouette of
it from a distance was like

1196
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:38,400
those are tentacles hanging out
of its base.

1197
01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:40,800
That's a weird thing to say
though, like how many people

1198
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,600
knew?
What like an octopus look like

1199
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,000
at the time to say those are
disabled.

1200
01:12:46,700 --> 01:12:49,400
I mean they're not far from the
shore right there, you know?

1201
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:50,500
Yeah.
I mean, that's why I kind of

1202
01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:53,100
stopped myself.
I'm just like, well, A lot of

1203
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:57,200
people got here on boats Western
there so it's pretty unlikely

1204
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,700
that you would have had a lot of
octopus going on.

1205
01:12:59,700 --> 01:13:03,800
It's pretty far from the coast.
So I the octopus there is a

1206
01:13:03,808 --> 01:13:07,600
little strange to me.
I think the waddle theory is a

1207
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,400
lot more valid have you heard
that?

1208
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,700
Was I honestly I thought I was
bringing something new to the

1209
01:13:12,700 --> 01:13:14,600
table.
No, I've heard this thing.

1210
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,600
Oh well it maybe it's scooped up
an octopus and it was like

1211
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,300
flying around with it.
I'm like, come on now.

1212
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:23,100
Just hold.
This is my Octopus.

1213
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:26,400
I'm not letting go.
Yes like this is my my new baby

1214
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,600
octopus.
Sorry.

1215
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,600
So Sarah the listeners heard
taken eyes point of view.

1216
01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:36,800
Nobody gives a flying fuck about
what we think.

1217
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:41,200
Sure we're just plugs right?
They're here for you.

1218
01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:45,300
What what is your honest opinion
about the styling gaster?

1219
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,100
What it could be was real.
Where do you sit?

1220
01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:53,200
So I don't like to have an
opinion one way or the other.

1221
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:58,800
I like to entertain every idea
about it because for me this is

1222
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,900
not really trying to prove
whether or not a Cryptid is

1223
01:14:01,900 --> 01:14:05,400
real.
It's more a study of folklore

1224
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:10,200
and culture and mythology and
kind of where these things all

1225
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,200
come together to make these
fantastic stories.

1226
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:16,500
So it's really more of like a
lifelong study thing for me than

1227
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:20,100
a, you know, I have a definite
opinion one way or the The other

1228
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:21,500
and that's what makes the
museum.

1229
01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:23,900
Kind of exciting is that like I
might get a new piece of

1230
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:28,400
information and since you know
suddenly something changes but

1231
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,700
it's more you know, just
chronicling it and studying it

1232
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:32,800
and everything.
Awesome.

1233
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,100
Was there anything that we
missed that you can expand upon

1234
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:41,000
or add to my brain is so fried
because I am coming off a

1235
01:14:41,008 --> 01:14:43,800
12-hour shift in the ER.
So I'm sure there is and I'm

1236
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,900
sure I'll wake up at like three
in the morning and remember it

1237
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:49,400
but as of right now I cannot
think of anything.

1238
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:54,600
No problem, totally understand.
So before we go ahead and sign

1239
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,200
out, you might hit and everybody
else, one more time with

1240
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,800
everywhere that they can find
you and, and the American style,

1241
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,600
I guess our Museum.
Sure.

1242
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:08,100
So Instagram is at American
snellie gaster Museum.

1243
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:13,700
My website is snallygaster.
Museum.com you can email me at

1244
01:15:13,700 --> 01:15:18,100
snallygaster museum at
gmail.com, if you could just

1245
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:21,700
limit the Cryptid erotica.
To one story, I would appreciate

1246
01:15:21,700 --> 01:15:26,300
it and then as far as we're
experiencing a lot of delays

1247
01:15:26,300 --> 01:15:29,700
with actually Opening Our
physical location, which is a

1248
01:15:29,708 --> 01:15:32,800
bummer.
But you know in the grand scheme

1249
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,700
of things, two years is not that
long to have been working on it.

1250
01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:39,500
So for right now we're going to
be events, only will be at

1251
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,700
Jersey Devil.
Fable Fest, May 7th, and then

1252
01:15:43,700 --> 01:15:49,300
why Phil UFO Fest in Virginia.
June 7th, I believe, I think

1253
01:15:49,300 --> 01:15:51,900
it's Exactly a month apart.
Yeah.

1254
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:56,400
So we'll be out and about I
bring a lot of cool pieces of

1255
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:01,100
Art and you know some weird hard
to find newspaper articles and

1256
01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:03,400
books and stuff like that.
So it's always kind of fun to

1257
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,100
show people.
All that weird stuff and talk

1258
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:09,500
about weird Cryptids with them.
There's only two hours away from

1259
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:11,900
me.
Oh, you should totally come out.

1260
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:13,900
I'll show you my copy of South
Mountain magic.

1261
01:16:13,900 --> 01:16:16,600
It's really old and it rules
whitehill.

1262
01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:18,700
Hmm.
You said June?

1263
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,700
Yeah.
A wife value of fur.

1264
01:16:20,700 --> 01:16:23,600
Let me look at my calendar.
I know it's like the first week

1265
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,600
of June.
I'm already booked to go to the

1266
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:32,200
Bigfoot Conference In June.
I just don't know what these 16.

1267
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:36,300
Yeah I don't think it's that
when his wife, I don't know.

1268
01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:39,200
It sometime.
Let's let's get you out of here.

1269
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,000
We can we can chat you know
sometime else.

1270
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,600
I want to get you to sleep.
Yeah, absolutely yeah.

1271
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:50,700
Alright, so for those listening
of course I'm going to send

1272
01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:54,200
Sarah invite to the infinite
Rabbit Hole group on Facebook.

1273
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,500
As you heard, she is not a big
Facebook.

1274
01:16:57,500 --> 01:17:00,900
ER she's more on Instagram.
Feel To follow her journey

1275
01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:04,300
there, if she doesn't accept it,
that's on her.

1276
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:05,800
You have to send your hate mail
to her.

1277
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,900
But I know that the the
listeners of our podcasts are

1278
01:17:09,900 --> 01:17:12,700
very active on our Facebook
group and they love having

1279
01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:15,200
Asher's there.
There's a lot of people that are

1280
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,600
joined in and they love it.
So Sarah, you know, you're going

1281
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,100
to get one little piece of spam
from us and that's just going to

1282
01:17:22,100 --> 01:17:23,700
be a Facebook invite to the
group.

1283
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,000
But other than that, I really,
really am going to say thank you

1284
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:32,000
for hang on to hear especially
after a long shift and a

1285
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,900
grueling job.
Yes.

1286
01:17:33,900 --> 01:17:35,500
In a long day.
Yeah.

1287
01:17:35,500 --> 01:17:39,700
Thank you for having me.
This is awesome and whenever

1288
01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:41,900
we're going to do snarling, ow,
you just let me know.

1289
01:17:41,900 --> 01:17:43,900
I'll come back and hopefully it
won't be after work.

1290
01:17:43,900 --> 01:17:47,400
And I'll be much more refreshed
and have my wits about me.

1291
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,400
Well, I really do appreciate you
coming on.

1292
01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:53,500
I look forward to seeing your
journey and seeing the this.

1293
01:17:53,500 --> 01:17:55,700
Now I guess or Museum grow.
And when that thing does

1294
01:17:55,700 --> 01:17:58,500
physically open, I'm going to
take the wife and the kids up

1295
01:17:58,500 --> 01:18:01,000
there to come see Awesome.
Yeah we're going to have a lot

1296
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:05,400
of cool stuff for the kids so
I'm excited to see you guys and

1297
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:11,400
then send me the link to the
store so that when we post this

1298
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:15,200
episode, we can post a link a
couple days later to the merch

1299
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:16,900
store.
So if anybody wants to get some

1300
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,200
snail, gaster swag, they have
one leg.

1301
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,100
Sure.
Yeah, I definitely will.

1302
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,100
This star Cruiser Studio shirt
is my favorite one, so I'll be

1303
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:29,300
pushing that one pretty hard.
Awesome, be too, because I I'm

1304
01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:30,500
probably going to snag him
myself.

1305
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,500
Yeah you're totally should real
quick.

1306
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:36,500
The sources that I used for
today's episode was Mysteries

1307
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:40,900
and lore of Maryland by Susan
Fair chasing American Monsters

1308
01:18:40,900 --> 01:18:45,900
by Jason off wit cryptic
creatures by mm halls.

1309
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,400
I like to extend a special thank
you to Sarah Cooper for joining

1310
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,700
us on this episode.
And then also want to say thank

1311
01:18:51,700 --> 01:18:54,100
you to everybody who took a
chance to listen to this episode

1312
01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:56,000
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1313
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1314
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,100
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01:19:02,108 --> 01:19:04,700
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01:19:07,407 --> 01:19:10,700
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1319
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1320
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,800
When we dive into the world of
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1321
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,000
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He is also the host of the, hey,

1322
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,000
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1323
01:19:28,300 --> 01:19:31,000
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1324
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