The Loch Ness Monster Part 2

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Hello, my name is John, so sure,
the father Jeremy Scioscia and I

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want to welcome you to the next
exciting episode of the infinite

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rabbit hole.
Last week on infinite Rabbit

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Hole.
One of the theories that I know

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about Nessie is that Aleister
Crowley brought it into this

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reality through this magic.
Maybe this is why we can't find

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any dang Cryptids anymore,
right?

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We can't find any big feet is
because people throughout

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history have thought in this
exact same way we have to kill

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it because it exists but no it
is unfortunate.

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And I agree, man.
I think that a lot of these

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things were real or something
like they overhunted.

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These things, for whatever
reason, and I don't know too

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much about the geography around
the area but what if it is a

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land creature, that goes into
the water but then you would

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think that there'd be a lot more
sightings on land.

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Now, what I hate is when people
go out there and fake the shit,

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it happens so much that this is
the reason why people say as

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soon as they find out that
they've that they're part of a

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Bigfoot, searching group or
lakna searching group or

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whatever they instantly say, no,
it's a fake.

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Right.
I think that there is just some

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portal in this area and maybe
this Beast kind of bleeds

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through in the sport of kind
what we talked about with

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Skinwalker Ranch.
Welcome back to infinite Rabbit

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Hole.
I'm cans are last week.

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We talked Nessie part 1.
This is Nessie part 2.

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So welcome, welcome.
Before we dive into it though,

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let's just get straight to the
point here and introduce our my

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other co-hosts of the episode.
We've got, we'll start with

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Jake.
Today, how you doing?

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Jake cans are you're muted.
I'm just messing with you.

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I'm doing was like, am I really
know?

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How would I have known that
smart?

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Now I'm doing great.
I'm ready to get into part two

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and really break it down.
Get my heart racing already or

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your, I'm done with you already.
With that said, let's introduce

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Jeremy next.
How you doing?

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I'm salty.
I see that.

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I see that.
Why are you selling tea?

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Well, because we're talking
about a sea creature in a lake.

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Oh, somewhat attached to the
ocean.

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It's not salty though.
It's nice to be salty but they

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say that.
Nessie comes from the ocean and

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spends its summers in the lock.
No, just kidding.

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Some people do say that it lives
in the ocean and finds his way

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through tunnels or and also not
a plesiosaur and also another

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liopleurodon.
Yeah, not that either.

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Yeah, the way to Candy Mountain
Charlie.

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Yeah, well known.
That everything's going.

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Just swell kid ready to roll?
Fantastic and last but not

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least.
Jeffrey.

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How you doing I'm doing well,
thank you very much.

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I'm not salty.
That's good because sounds like

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Jeremy's trying to rub salt in a
wound.

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Making shots for not having any
hair poor guy.

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Yes hair, where it matters?
That's right.

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I'm getting that's face.
You hear that moms and your

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mom's Ego and his nipple soil.
Well you guys got any other

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announcements or anything to say
before we dive into it.

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I have a little baby here soon.
I'm gonna blow the lid off this

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thing.
Congratulations on the baby,

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bro.
Thanks man.

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Yes Round of Applause for the
baby.

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Yes.
And I'm excited to hear what

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Jake clearly has to say.
Oh no, I'm gonna wait.

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I'm gonna, I'm not gonna be a
Jeff.

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I'm gonna wait, and I'm gonna
blow the lid off of this thing,

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but I do have to say about that
baby.

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Everybody says, oh, wow. well,
this is what Jeff does, but As

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for the baby.
I my name is his middle name.

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So I'm super stoked.
I have a best friend that names.

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His children after me, I was one
of them.

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Yes.
Child hren, this is our way of

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getting rid of children.
We just we force a connection

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with somebody else.
When just it's yours now, man,

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we can't do it.
I'll take him.

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Yeah, he'll be here.
If you shoot by the time, this

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is out, he'll be here.
So we're excited about baby

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number four and we just it's in
the water over here man.

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Are you gonna go Sasquatch?
And when you got all them kids,

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our kids are the best, the
problem with using the bait.

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Big certain ones, kids?
Yeah, Bigfoot loves taking care

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of kids.
We'll figure it out Bigfoot.

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Doesn't like to be fed.
Bigfoot likes to hunt.

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Hmm.
Yes.

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I just, I just mentioned time my
children up feeding the Bigfoot

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won't do that.
Whatever you got to do, I guess

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we need evidence.
So what does it say that you

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have to specify that you won't
do that?

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What does that say about?
This never mind, I'm not going

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to get into, we're gonna go
ahead anyways.

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Yeah, so messy.
Yeah.

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So Any other announcements are
we done?

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We good, we cool.
Jeff, your background is so

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bear, it's not a fan but it's
not, you know, What do you want

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me to do man?
I don't know man.

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Something like this.
You can see that there's two

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closet doors here so that it's
not like there's room.

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I could put something in this
one little space and that really

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be it.
I don't know.

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There's a closet door back
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Jeff all right, carry on Ken's
are sorry.

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It's just boring.
Okay.

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So at the end of last episode,
we discussed the big expedition

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of 1970.
And the audio tracks that were

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recorded.
Well, a couple short years later

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in 1972.
Another sonar Expedition would

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start known as the Robert.
Ryan's studies, these

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Expeditions were conducted
multiple different years and 70

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to 75, 2001 and 2008 going out
of their way to avoid areas with

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extremely murky water.
And lots of driftwood.

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A team would use a camera and
flood light in the water, then

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run the sonar.
And if anything came up they

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would turn the light on and
Flash some pictures despite

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trying to avoid super murky
areas.

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The lock is known to have a
pretty block is known to be

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pretty murky as it is.
So the quality of pictures

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weren't exactly the greatest but
the team did manage to snap a

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couple good pictures of what
looked like to be a plescia

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sword type animal in the law.
There is a photograph famously

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known as The Flipper photograph
that shows you guessed it a plus

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CS or type flipper.
But one thing to mention it did

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take a lot of computer, a lot of
computer enhancement to to get

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this picture clear enough to
actually identify the flipper,

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which of course led to Skeptics
questioning whether it was

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actually computer-enhanced or if
it was just retouched the same

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group of people did their next
study in 1975, this time using

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time-lapse photography Rafi and
managed to get a picture of what

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they believed to be the
underside of the creature or as

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they called the whole body
picture.

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It was later discovered that
there were some problems in

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regards to the flipper photo.
The conclusion was that the

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flipper was based off the fact
that the camera was in a fixed

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position on the bed of the lock.
However, it was revealed that

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the this was not exactly the
case Witnesses from the

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operating crew said that the
camera was never actually fixed

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or mounted to anything just
floating in mid water.

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This meant The Flipper could
have been literally anything and

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it was blurred by the potential
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Another problem with the
pictures was that they were

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published in an article from the
journal Nature, and it was

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suggested that the pictures
published or not the computer

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enhanced pictures that were
originally shared but retouched

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once, despite all this, the
legend still holds strong and

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even encouraged a man named
Adrian shine to start an

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investigation of his own but
more on him to come.

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We also had another hoax in
1972.

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A few team members from the lni
be were said to be having

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breakfast by the Lakeside when
they saw a large object about

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300 yards or so offshore
immediately, the team jumped

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into a boat and went to
investigate, whatever it was

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they saw in the water very
quickly.

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They returned to Shore, Towing,
a body behind them.

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I actually want to read an
article.

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I found about this incident
April Fool's Loch Ness, monster

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Inverness Scotland, the latest
Monster hauled from the chilly

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Waters of the Loch.
Ness was officially dismissed

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today as quote just an April
Fool's joke.

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It's a hoax simply
superintendent - McKay whose

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area includes the fame home of
Nessie.

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The legend, the legendary Loch,
Ness monster.

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It's just an April Fool's joke,
he said the latest Monster was

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brought here from England it It
worked for a while.

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Police officially barred, the
transfer from Scotland of a

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carcass of an animal found
Friday off on the shores, of the

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Scottish Lake marine, biologist
from Edinburgh.

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Zoo was called in to examine the
seal like creature, which

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weighed a ton and a half and was
feet long, the biologists still

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was going to take a look later
today to make sure British

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newspapers had a field day with
what one of them called the son

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of Nessie.
But people here who have lived

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through.
Countless Loch, Ness, hoaxes,

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we're not really taken in
previous monster.

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Hoaxes have included the
monsters foot which proved to be

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an elephant's, a monster's bone
discovered to Been a whale bone

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and an entire model monster
built by students.

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Very quickly after this a man
came forward saying that.

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Yes, this was in fact, nothing
more than an April Fool's joke

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on his co-workers he worked at a
zoo and thought it would be

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funny to dump the frozen body of
an elephant seal into the lock,

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but he had no intention nor did
he expect this to be such a

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sensation?
An elephant seal.

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Just so everybody knows is about
15 feet in length.

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On average with some getting up
to 20 feet in length.

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This prompted a few people
within the scientific Community

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to think about how to protect
Nessie.

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Sir, Peter Scott was another man
that was involved in the search

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of the monster.
He was a painter by trade, who

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said, he believed in the monster
and together with Robert Ryan's,

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they wrote an article for the
journal Nature that they

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actually gave.
That actually gave the creature

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a scientific name, Nessa Terrace
from Bop tricks, which

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translates to Ness monster with
diamond shaped fins.

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During this time, there was a
conservation law passed in the

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UK that stated without a
binomial and common name.

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Any unknown animal could be
could not be protected.

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So the men wrote the article,
which was not at all peer

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review, not at all peer-reviewed
and We published in the comments

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and opinions section of the
paper.

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But how do they come up with
such a name?

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Let me read an expert from the
article explaining.

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It is proposed that the large
animal species living in Loch,

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Ness be called NASA terrorists
from Bach tricks.

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The generic name, Nessa Terrace
is a composite word.

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Combining the name of the lock,
with the Greek word terrorists,

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that the specific name run box.
Rex, is a combination of the

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Greek.
Rambo's a diamond or longitudes

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lodges.
Spit a diamond shape Fin and the

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Greek Terex me.
Eating Finn or Wing?

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Thus the species is Ness monster
with diamond, Finn and trying to

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determine which class they
belong to.

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It is concluded that the paddle
and figure one must belong to a

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vertebrate animal for reference
figure.

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One is actually the flipper
photograph.

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All of this was done just to
protect whatever Nessie, maybe,

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and to prevent any potential
hunters from trying to slay, the

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Beast, anyone who tries to kill
the bees could possibly face

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some Hefty consequences.
What you guys think?

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I was just looking at that
picture big chunk, I don't know

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how far away the camera was from
this alleged flipper, but it

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literally could have been a fish
fin.

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It really wasn't computer
enhancement.

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I mean, yeah, it's got to.
Yeah.

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Yeah, to I mean, it original
super dark but I mean that's not

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that's not that uncommon, right?
Super dark picture, you just

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change the contrast of it,
that's not that big of a deal.

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But I mean like it could have
been, you know, depending on how

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close or far away this Image was
it literally could have been

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this big.
It could have been a little fish

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going by, you know, just been
like really obscured or

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something.
I mean it just really didn't

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look like anything in
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Nothing like, you know, I think
that in this circumstance you'd

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have to really have to take a
picture of like a full-size one

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or at least like the head or
something like that.

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Not just like, oh, there's a
flipper.

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It's proof.
It's like, like, I mean, that

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could have been a whale flipper.
You could have Taken that image

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from something else, entirely a
different Expedition from

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somewhere else, entirely, and
just been like a look what we

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found.
It's like, I don't know, I have

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my own theory on The Flipper.
But I want to hear what you guys

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have to say about first Jeff.
You said you sound like you have

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something to say no.
Okay, really.

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So one thing that I want to
point out about these two

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photographs, the full body and
The Flipper, both of these were

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taken.
I believe in the 70s, if I'm if

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I don't remember correctly,
right?

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72 and 75.
The unedited version of The

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Flipper one.
Doesn't look very different from

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the fully edited one, which is
it's very, very similar.

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I was watching a documentary a
long time ago on this and they

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brought out this photo, and it
just doesn't seem like something

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that It's not very good piece of
evidence.

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Let's go.
That way.

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One thing that you guys have to
understand about Water and Light

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is that something happens called
refraction, okay?

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And you see a very sharp angle
in the picture and it could be

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anything.
Could be a piece of glass could

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be a shell or a rock or even a
leaf in the water.

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Anything could refract light
really?

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Honestly.
It light refracts.

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It's what it does.
Right.

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The lot of soot.
We know that the floor is very

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City and that's what it looks
like more about that a little

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bit later.
Yeah.

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But yeah, you can continue the
picture if you look, you know, I

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should probably brought a
picture up but if I remember

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correctly and one of the corners
it's very bright white and then

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it kind of makes like this
diamond shape.

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A picture that which is
supposedly supposed to be the

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flipper, right?
The theory behind it is that

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this this image is actually
taken upside down or a quarter

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turn one way or the other, and
that the suit as actually

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lifting off of the off of the
ground and in the lock, and all

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the light that's being caused by
the camera or whatever, the

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light sources that they're
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Is being reflected back to
camera and those sharp angles

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are refractions coming off of
whatever's in this.

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Put a picture in the YouTube
chat for us, did you?

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Yeah.
Yeah, you're right.

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It's just, it's just so
reflective.

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So it literally could have been
a bunch of dirt kicked up and it

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just, it's reflecting all that
all of those minerals and stuff

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that's sitting inside that suit
of whatever it is, right?

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That could have been the whole
thing about the camera freely

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floating that could have just
been it, hit the bottom, and

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that's the image.
It conjured up.

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Yeah, I just write it.
Like, I mean, if you great great

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fine, Jake by the way, this is
something that we should post on

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the on the Facebook page for
people because this is exactly

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what I was referring to.
In fact, yes, oh this one looks

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like it's it's turned just
slightly to the left or the

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camera little landed on its
side.

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What not?
And the we're getting the the

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kick up of the suit that's on
the on the ground of the lock.

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And if you look at the unedited
version, it's very hard to spot.

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This, right?
This is the this triangular or

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diamond shape phenomenon that
you're seeing in the original,

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right?
It's not very good and this

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could be made from the beam from
the light source itself.

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When you go to the enhanced one,
there is a lot of those missing,

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like, they highlighted this
flipper or this quote, unquote,

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flipper of a plasia sore as if
they're trying to make something

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out of nothing.
I mean, I I see that all that

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extra noises pulled away, right?
So right away.

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I can't remember the name of the
documentary or even where I saw,

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it was a Long time ago.
I'm going to have to take the

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the nope on this one, but I do
like the full body photograph.

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I believe it was taken in the
same year.

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I believe it was taken even by
the same team if I'm if I'm

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correct.
Yeah, as far as I understand, I

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was trying to listen kid but at
the same time I was trying to

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remember some of the information
from this documentary, but this

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full body, Picture is pretty
cool, right?

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Could it be sediment?
Could it be something floating?

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Could it be debris?
Yes, but and well, looks like a

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plesiosaur, let's just be honest
about it, I don't know if I had

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the right photo in all honesty,
I searched and searched and

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searched and I kept get like
every article I pulled up, I

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kept seeing the exact same
photograph, but to be all I was

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seeing was a cloud of dirt and
dust.

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It could be that what I saw more
dirt and dust in that photo that

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I did.
The Flipper photo.

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And honestly I didn't even think
about all the like missing

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spaces or anything in The
Flipper photo, so that one's

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yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm actually going to do a

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search and try to help you guys
out.

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I should have been searching for
the first one myself, but the

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full-body photograph is
interesting.

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It's cool, right?
I don't think there's any way to

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really tell you.
Yes or no as to what it is.

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There you go.
I put a picture of it in the

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chat.
This would also be something

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that we would want to post kid
when when we post this stuff,

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won't you go ahead and save
these photographs so that when

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We post your this episode.
The second part.

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Yeah.
Is it mean it's gonna be a giant

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stick?
Oh yeah.

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I mean it could be anything
right?

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And it still has all of the the
sediment particles that you see

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in the first photograph but with
I mean is this enhanced?

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Yeah it could be could it
definitely could be but the way

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that the first one was enhanced
it literally eliminated all of

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Extra noise and left.
Just what the the person who

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editing the photo wanted you to
see their right.

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That's all they look.
And this photo there's at least

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all of that other sediment there
and they didn't get rid of it.

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So I mean it's tough it was by
the same team there's red flags

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right there because the first
one was yeah in a way that you

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know kind of forced perspective
but it's like someone taking a

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picture of like foliage in there
outlining A Bigfoot in there.

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Like there it is like it's this
was the only exception of red

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circles.
Yeah.

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But yeah.
Nice dive kid pointless

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photograph though.
I thought they were interesting

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fortunes why I shared it again?
The whole body photo, I kept

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running into stuff about horns
and like it was explaining all

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the best way I could.
Compare it as like a giraffe

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head, with its little horns on
its head.

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Hmm.
Yeah.

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But like, everything I read just
seems so garbage.

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I didn't even want to bother.
That's like that movie, the the

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water dragon, or whatever it
was, or the water horse.

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And that's kind of like the
little, the little horns on its

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head.
Like a giraffe and like here and

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I'm done.
That's probably where that came

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from.
Hey, Jake, can you send the link

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to this page that you're on?
Yeah, I got you.

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Thanks.
Basically that's the same

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picture again just in a
different color.

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And and that perspective, it
totally looks like just Dart.

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Yeah, like looks like the
grounders.

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Good job, Jeff.
Just killing.

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Thank you very much.
I feel like I'm doing a very

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good job.
I got a little snippet just for

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you Jeff, don't worry, your
you've got a part coming, you

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don't have to stick your board
all night, it's okay.

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I was thinking about you aren't
can.

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I guess what it's about?
I think you all know exactly

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what it's already involved, but
don't get their take because

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even though Jeff said he would
do some research on the subject,

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I'm pretty sure he didn't.
I didn't Well, maybe I did.

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I went to the zoo.
Hmm, they have a, that's what

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your little research you know.
Well, you know, you got to see

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like these these wild animals,
you know, looking at a tiger.

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He's like, that's not messy.
So You see here?

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We like it's a flipper.
Nope.

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That's a mangie not that.
Could be a mess.

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Yeah.
A manatee picture looks fake.

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That's all I got for you.
Shoot that could have been a

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seal flipper.
Do you have seals and Loch?

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Ness know.
We'll get there.

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Jake quit jumping ahead.
That sounds like yes.

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It looks real like the head of a
squid than anything but I got

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squids and Loch Ness.
There's fresh water squids.

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Well get Out there.
Jake quit jumping ahead.

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When I get there.
All right.

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Are you ready?
Yeah, if I can't, jump ahead, I

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guess, all right.
Adrian shine is a naturalist and

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has been working on the
exploration of many different

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locks since the early 70s.
Today's the head today.

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He's the head of the ongoing
Loch, Ness project and the lock

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Nest Center and exhibition
located in drum, dad rocket.

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He built a small submarine, he
called machine, which he used to

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lead students and volunteers on
Expeditions as well as teaching

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them, scientific medicine
methods as they went along.

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He started his research in 1973
and Loch morar, he choked, he

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chose marar because the water
was much clearer than that of

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nests and like most locks
throughout Scotland, marar has a

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monster of its own amore.
While they have been Outlook,

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while they may have been out
looking for proof of a monster,

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the research took a bit of a
turn.

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After Adrian, spent some time,
watching the water in the

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submarine, they were now
interested in the general

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environment and how things.
Like the food chain could affect

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such a creature could affect
such a creature pointing out

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that the rocky environment
doesn't have enough nutrients

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for a creature such as a plus
you sore. but this was just the

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start, it wasn't until much
later in 1987 to be exact that

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the biggest research expedition
of the Loch, Ness would commence

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October of 88 of 1987.
Operation deep scan started with

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2224 boats positioned at
different spots along the lock.

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I'll set up with Echo.
Sounding equipment managed to

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send acoustic signals throughout
the water and map the bottom of

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the lot during the initial Scan.
They found three objects.

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That seem to be very large and
out of place.

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These objects were said to be
much larger than, what is

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expected to be found in a fresh
body of water and led to the

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Group rescanning, the lock the
next day to see if these objects

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could be found again.
They never work.

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They only found what was
believed to be Driftwood, stuck

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in the mud and sand because the
objects were no longer to be

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found.
This gave everyone reason to

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believe that whatever they came
across.

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That day was in fact, a moving
water Target.

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A moving water Target doesn't
necessarily mean that there's a

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25-foot creature swimming around
in the lock that simply could

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have been a large seal, or even
a large fish.

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Sonar expert.
Darrell Lawrence said, that

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quote, there's something here
and the there's something here

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that we don't understand and
there's something here, that's

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larger than a fish.
Maybe some species that hasn't

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been detected before.
I don't know end.

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Quote Adrienne has been a strong
advocate for anyone who wants to

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do research and try to prove or
disprove the existence of

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Nessie.
He even helped with the DNA

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survey done in 2018, but we'll
get to that soon enough.

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He also is involved with
operation ground truth, which

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has a main goal to recover
historical, artifacts that have

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been lost to the lock such as
famed.

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Racers, John Cobbs speedboat
crusader, In 2003, BBC sponsored

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00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:16,000
a search that use 600, sonar
beams and satellite tracking to

455
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,400
see if they could find Nessie
but all they found was a whole

456
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,000
lot of nothing.
The scientists involved claimed

457
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,100
that this this was all that they
needed to prove.

458
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:31,500
That Nessie does not exist as
BBC was doing their research.

459
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:34,900
A man came forward, claiming he
had found a fossil that belonged

460
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:39,500
to the monster Gerald McSorley
was walking along the lock when

461
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:43,900
he tripped on the fossil.
This seemed to be the fossil of

462
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:45,900
a pervert.
The seemed to be the perfectly

463
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:49,500
preserved vertebrae, set into
limestone.

464
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:53,900
McSorley was quoted as saying, I
literally tripped over the

465
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:57,200
fossil in the water, when I put
my hands down to steady myself.

466
00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:00,700
I saw something unusual and
picked it up once they cleaned

467
00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:02,700
off about an inch of green
algae.

468
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,800
And I could see the texture of
the bone, it became clear that I

469
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,300
had an important fossil.
I've always believed in the Loch

470
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:12,900
Ness monster but this proves it
for me the Ambulance between

471
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:16,500
this and the sightings which
have been made are so similar

472
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:20,500
and quote, after close
examination, it was determined

473
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:25,400
that the fossil was, in fact
that of 150 million year-old

474
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,800
plus CS.
Or this was huge.

475
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,000
Since it was the first time
anything of the sort had ever

476
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,900
been found to prove that such a
creature did.

477
00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:37,000
Once exist in the law, the area
in which the fossil was found

478
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,500
was kept top secret so that
scientists could sweep the area

479
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,800
and conduct their research on
Third, but nothing was ever

480
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,300
found in the end.
It was determined that the

481
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:49,800
fossil was not originally there
and some prankster had planted

482
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,600
it in 2008.
Robert Ryan's came out and said

483
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,800
that BBC, didn't find anything
because of the possibility that

484
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,700
the creature was now extinct
over the years, sightings had

485
00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:04,000
greatly decreased, and not many
people had kept up with Sona

486
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,400
research of the law and due to
the climate change.

487
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,000
The animal was unable to adapt
to the changes in temperature of

488
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,600
the Walk.
Over the years, there had been

489
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,500
some sightings such as the
homeless video in 2007, which

490
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:22,700
showed a jet-black thing moving
very fast in the water.

491
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:27,200
Adrian shine him himself even
said it was some of the best

492
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,100
footage he'd ever seen the
creature, we were also presented

493
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:34,500
with the George Edwards
photograph, in 2011, George

494
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:37,000
Edwards, claimed that he had
been searching for the monster

495
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,400
for over 26 years, and was
finally able to snap a picture

496
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,100
of the creature to present to
the world.

497
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,700
Later in 2013, he came out and
said that it was all just an

498
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:49,200
elaborate hoax.
We've also gotten a couple odd

499
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,700
pictures from Apple maps that
some say, but some still believe

500
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:57,800
could be the Loch Ness monster,
2014 Apple Maps showed a

501
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,100
satellite image with a large
creature.

502
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:02,500
That looks to be almost 100 feet
long.

503
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:05,900
It was later determined that
this was likely, a very large

504
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:09,400
boat wake.
They captured What do you guys

505
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,300
think?
Today of sturgeon and Loch?

506
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:15,800
Ness, the sturgeon can get like
16 feet long and it's freshwater

507
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,300
fish.
We're getting there.

508
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:22,500
Jake you mentioned fish.
So I'm talking about.

509
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:27,000
Okay, okay.
What is this a down here?

510
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,200
I don't even know where that is
now.

511
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,200
Somewhere over here.
Well, that is very large fish,

512
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,200
very large fish Sturgeon.
Could be a very large fish and

513
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,600
you're right.
It could be a sturgeon could.

514
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,800
If I look at it, I'm not gonna
answer yes or no.

515
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,100
Until we get there utilizing
fish finders and stuff.

516
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,900
It could have been a school of
fish.

517
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,300
Like honestly, I have I've seen
people use fish finders before,

518
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:55,300
if it's a singular fish.
It looks like a singular smudge

519
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:57,600
and you can see it.
If it's a school official looks

520
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,300
like a big smudge and it's just
like whoa that's a 25-foot

521
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:06,300
creature or to school fish.
There could be more advanced

522
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:09,100
stuff but that's what I've seen
so I don't know.

523
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:13,000
Like, I know people that do
that, routinely or

524
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,200
professionally can probably tell
the difference between a school

525
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,700
of fish, because of the spaces
between them or whatever it is,

526
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:23,200
but Still and it could've been a
25 foot log, you know?

527
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:26,000
Yeah, the water.
It's just a moving.

528
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,700
Water Target.
Not crazy.

529
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:39,300
And I'm curious about the guy
that just stumbled upon a fossil

530
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:43,100
that was covered in algae.
Like that's like, was it a bone?

531
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:46,500
Or was it just like a slab or a
rock that was broken in half?

532
00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:50,100
And there was like, a fossilized
portion inside of it?

533
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:51,500
Like, like, I don't know what
that means.

534
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:55,100
Exactly, as far as I understand
about the story, he's literally

535
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:59,300
just walking along the shore.
And tripped over.

536
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:03,200
What was Zoomed originally to be
a large Rock.

537
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:11,600
I don't know if it was like
buried in the sand and he like,

538
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,800
I don't know what the situation
was there because personally, I

539
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,400
look at the ground when I'm
walking on the beach because I'm

540
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,500
looking for cool shells and
whatnot.

541
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:25,100
So I kind of look at ahead of
myself at the same time so I

542
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:32,300
don't trip over the large rocks.
Like there's like, I don't

543
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:35,300
really know whether this thing
was buried in the sand or like

544
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,600
what the deal.
How Actually, he came across

545
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:42,300
just tripped over it, and picked
it up with thought, it seemed a

546
00:33:42,308 --> 00:33:46,200
little strange so he picked it
up and cleaned it off and all of

547
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,600
a sudden had a + CS or fossil in
his hand.

548
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,600
What that tells me is that he
had a background in that sort of

549
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,300
stuff because people that are
fossil hounds will often find

550
00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:00,700
certain types of rocks that are
made up of the sediment, they

551
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:03,000
would find Seychelles and stuff
like that.

552
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,100
And you can watch videos on
YouTube where they have a

553
00:34:05,108 --> 00:34:07,200
complete and total Rock and then
they crack it.

554
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:11,100
In half and at the seam, where
the big old, you know, snail

555
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,600
shell is, is in it, it breaks
away and you can have the whole

556
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,699
thing exposed.
So what that tells me is that

557
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:22,199
this guy wasn't just some random
person, but also, it seems kind

558
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,199
of weird that that would be a
normal reaction from a person

559
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,699
being like, Oh I just slipped
over this rock.

560
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:29,900
Let me pick it up and inspect
it.

561
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:34,400
It's like I didn't know put it
in here, but apparently it was a

562
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,900
cased in Limestone.
I remember reading something

563
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:40,699
about Limestone when it came to
this story but even still it's

564
00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:45,500
just like that seems more likely
to me that he put it there and

565
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:47,600
then was like oh shoot, what's
this?

566
00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:50,400
You know, how could this be
here?

567
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:58,400
It's just seems very Quinta
Dental which I miss me and Jeff

568
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,200
know there are no such things as
coincidences.

569
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,000
So either it was placed there he
just knows what to look for.

570
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,300
Well, my big takeaway is just
all the Shenanigans with the

571
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:11,900
fossils and you know you
mentioned a few different

572
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:14,300
things.
I think about either being

573
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:20,900
planted or a hoax or whatever it
is, and that's just what it is.

574
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:23,700
Man people want attention and
they want to draw attention to

575
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:25,100
things.
Especially if something like

576
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:29,800
this is your, you know, if
you're, if there's a place that

577
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,000
people go as a tourist
destination, excuse me, for

578
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,900
things like, to see the Loch
Ness monster, right?

579
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,100
Like, I'm not sure.
The revenue is for that kind of

580
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:42,900
thing over there but it's gotta
be worth something somebody's

581
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:45,200
making money.
So there's an incentive for

582
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,000
somebody to fake things.
Fake pictures, fake pay other

583
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,200
people to fake things, right?
Like whatever it is, or try to

584
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:59,300
pass any old piece of footage or
data off as being evidence.

585
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:02,000
There's incentive for that right
by somebody.

586
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:04,000
So that's just what's in the
back of my mind.

587
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:07,100
I'm sure the town is profiting.
I know.

588
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:10,200
There's Gift Stores over there.
You know that the everyone sells

589
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,000
like a Loch, Ness monster
keychain or magnet, like I know

590
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:18,100
that that exists, there's a
full-on museum, the Loch, Ness

591
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:24,000
Center and exhibition, like the
entire thing is just basically

592
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,500
Museum of All the research that
has ever been done on Loch, Ness

593
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:33,600
all the theories.
All the you name it, and it's

594
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,800
ran by this Adrian shine
gentlemen.

595
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,900
Like, I'd have to imagine that
was something similar to, you

596
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:44,600
know, getting around like, when
we were driving cross-country.

597
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,900
I mean, when we were in the
desert, driving through Arizona,

598
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:55,100
you know, people had alien stuff
Area, 51 magnets, and all kinds

599
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:57,200
of stuff.
The closer we actually Out there

600
00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:02,300
to New Mexico it was like they
had all kinds of stuff you know

601
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:05,500
as far as like aliens and
everything goes and it was just

602
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:10,200
like I'm sure it's exactly like
that you know you're right.

603
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,300
It would make sense for people
to constantly be or at least

604
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:15,900
every couple of years someone to
come out with some sort of

605
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,000
evidence to drum up that
activity again and get more

606
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,400
tourists to come flood into that
area.

607
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,600
Yeah, it always seems to be
taking place in like Inverness

608
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:32,800
drums and rock it sort of area,
anyways, which is right where

609
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:36,400
most of all of the Loch Ness
touristy stuff takes place as

610
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,500
well.
So now, holy 26 years, trying to

611
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:44,100
find the Beast and it's like,
well, we've already established

612
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,300
that, it probably breathes air
and doesn't have gills.

613
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:49,200
So, if you spent 26 years trying
to take a picture of something

614
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,100
that literally has to break the
surface of the water at some

615
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,300
Point.
You are wasting your time.

616
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,800
Yeah, so couple things I like to
point out, right?

617
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,900
I've seen this vertebrae.
It's like three or four

618
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,300
vertebrae together so it is a
vertebra.

619
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:10,000
It's not rock.
Oh no.

620
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,400
It's it's I mean, here's the
thing.

621
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,600
I used to think I knew it
fossils look like, how are ya?

622
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,900
But old Jeremy would have been
my guess.

623
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:23,000
It looks like fossil, but here's
the problem.

624
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:28,400
Kid, what is the estimated age
of this fossil again?

625
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:34,700
It said it was 150 million year
old buses taller.

626
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,500
So this is go off of that for a
second.

627
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:43,400
Okay. 150 million years old.
How is that proof that the Loch

628
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,800
Ness monster exists?
Okay.

629
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,800
How do we know that that's
accurate either way either

630
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,800
fucking with even if it's
150,000 years old?

631
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:55,800
Yeah, that's more like it.
Even if it's a hundred and fifty

632
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,800
million years, our billion years
it doesn't matter.

633
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,000
It doesn't it doesn't even
matter to 150 years old.

634
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:07,100
How is this evidence that the
Loch Ness monster exists?

635
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:12,100
Are you running DNA on it?
Can you can Can you?

636
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,600
Tie this to an aquatic mammal.
Okay.

637
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:21,800
Hold on.
I'm getting there.

638
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:24,900
Would you say the same thing?
If it was a primate skull found

639
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:30,400
in the Pacific Northwest you or
are you just being a bias?

640
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:38,600
Okay, I got him.
The school is different though.

641
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:44,400
It is a full moon, every
everything with a backbone.

642
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:48,200
Has a back from the brink.
Okay, could have been a way

643
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:54,900
honestly or elephant in 150
million.

644
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:59,000
Bajillion years ago, a lock was
not the lock.

645
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:05,800
Okay, if you go by the, the
current story that is being

646
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,800
driven, there you go, Jeff, I
made sure.

647
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,300
I got that out correctly for
you.

648
00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:16,700
The lock wasn't there.
Okay, so all this says, is even

649
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:21,200
if it was a plasia sores
vertebrae from 150 million years

650
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,800
ago.
It has no way shape or form.

651
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,200
It does not show proof that the
Loch Ness monster exists.

652
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:33,200
It's a pretty cool find.
Don't get me wrong.

653
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,000
You know, this dude literally
what was walking?

654
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,100
And just found a vertebrae on
the ground that, you know, I

655
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:43,200
don't know, man.
I don't find it weird how he

656
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,600
found it.
I mean, people find shit all the

657
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,100
time.
That's how we have things people

658
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:49,500
find it.
Okay, not only had I known it

659
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:51,700
was a vertebrae and not just a
rock.

660
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,900
I mean do people find all the
time?

661
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,600
Okay it happens.
All right, I'm not too caught up

662
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,100
on how I found it.
I think it's cool that he found

663
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:03,800
it.
I don't care where we found it.

664
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:06,500
You know.
I'm a little bothered that he's

665
00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:09,100
tying it to the Loch Ness
monster as proof of the Loch.

666
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:11,600
Ness monster has existence.
I think that's kind of silly.

667
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:16,000
And I think that anybody that
kind of puts any, any weight

668
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,400
into that?
It's kind of silly.

669
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:24,500
I again cool.
Find does not prove that the

670
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:27,400
Loch Ness monster exists or ever
existed.

671
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:31,200
Just based off this guy's name,
I kind of felt like he was a bit

672
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,700
of a sore loser.
Anyway, so you just want some

673
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:37,100
attention to begin with was name
again.

674
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:43,600
Something McSorley.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

675
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:47,700
Sorrel to make sorely I'm happy
for him.

676
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,600
Nothing good for him, yet.
Those 15 minutes of fame, for

677
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,400
sure.
But not not connecting it to one

678
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,100
of those monster neat but I
thought it was an interesting

679
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:04,800
thing to add.
Anyways, just cuz all its

680
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,600
connections, I can't believe
that guy fucking fake

681
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,900
that-that-that's:.
The beasts.

682
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:16,000
Only can we sue him roll the
tape.

683
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:20,100
Karen told you.
Yeah, what an asshole?

684
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,700
Yeah.
What a fucking asshole, man.

685
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,100
Shame on her.
Him.

686
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:27,400
Dude, I want to buy a bunch of
those skulls and hide them

687
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,500
everywhere, I guess, I think
ulis.

688
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,900
I mean I was like, oh, this is
actually pretty, pretty cool.

689
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,800
You know?
I don't think he would he would

690
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,200
do some bogus shit like this.
And here is, he's like that

691
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:42,500
sword.
I think it was last episode.

692
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:46,700
You actually said that.
You lose a lot of respect for

693
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:49,300
people who do that and that was
the first name that came to my

694
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:53,800
head was coyote Peterson, what
an asshole man.

695
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:56,400
I wasn't necessarily even like
referencing that, but I just

696
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,000
meant like say it was a large
primate bone.

697
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,700
Not necessarily a skull but
found in the Pacific Northwest,

698
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,500
would you see that?
And then immediately think?

699
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:10,200
Well, that doesn't prove that
they exist or they exist in this

700
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,800
area.
You'd be like Syria, like

701
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,800
they're here now, they're living
in my basement.

702
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:20,600
Okay, the proof that I have that
Bigfoot exists, is that when I

703
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,400
was younger, I saw something in
the in the Atlantic Northeast

704
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:27,500
and then we could get and I
could have been the last one we

705
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:29,300
could have been absolutely
couldn't, I could have been

706
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:37,500
hearing meth addict screaming in
the Woods real possibility.

707
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:40,000
I'm not sitting here saying
like, I know, for sure that they

708
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,300
were Sasquatch.
I know I heard screams and tree

709
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:45,500
knocks, and I know that when the
scream started, And the people

710
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:49,200
that were partying down the way
they all shut up, and then the

711
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,900
music stopped, and we are just
hearing this guttural scream out

712
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:53,300
in the woods.
Now could have been a meth

713
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:54,100
addict.
Sure.

714
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,000
Yeah.
But that's what I heard.

715
00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:59,500
But the thing is, like, if I
found a skull in the Pacific

716
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:04,000
Northwest, right, or femur or
whatever, how old is it?

717
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,600
That's the first thing is their
sole chunks of Flesh hanging off

718
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,300
of it.
That gets me excited.

719
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:12,700
If it's bleached clean been dead
for hundreds of years.

720
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:17,800
I mean.
That this says that there was

721
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,400
something here, that's pretty
neat, right?

722
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,900
If it was under 150 million
years old, then who fucking

723
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:29,300
knows what this plays.
Well I mean if it was, I mean,

724
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,000
let's be real if this was 10,000
years old like that whole area

725
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,300
could have been part of the
ocean.

726
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:36,500
When that whole lot could have
not been informed.

727
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:42,500
Like I literally saw a short
video today and it had it was

728
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,400
like some Park and it had water
dripping on three different.

729
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:48,300
But rocks and it said, five
years of erosion, 10 years of

730
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:52,700
erosion, 25 years of erosion and
this freaking rock at 25 years

731
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:56,000
was just bored out and it was
like a piece of granite, like a

732
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,400
granite chunk and I was just
bored out and it was all wavy

733
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,500
and stuff and I was like, man,
you just take that and maximize

734
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:04,900
that by how much water is like
rushing through a specific area

735
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:07,100
and you know, this was a
trickle.

736
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,200
Just a little trickle, you know,
like how we be possibly know,

737
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:14,000
like how quickly the Grand
Canyon was carved out, it

738
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,900
literally could have been 10,000
With that much water flowing

739
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:20,100
through, I don't know.
So yeah, that whole area,

740
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,400
certainly, if plesiosaurs
existed at some point and maybe

741
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,600
they lived in that area, and it
got captured there, when the

742
00:45:27,607 --> 00:45:30,200
water rushed out or whatever
they were ocean happened, or it

743
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,100
just died and, you know, fell
down whatever.

744
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:36,500
But the only thing that bothers
me is that the idea of just

745
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:41,300
finding a bone of fossilized
bone, that's not encapsulated in

746
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:45,000
rock because said it was a
milestone.

747
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:48,900
Yeah.
But I mean was it like sticking

748
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:54,100
out because I mean at that point
the fossils themselves are rocks

749
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:56,900
to which means they're
susceptible to erosion as well.

750
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,400
Well so so also once broken out
of the rock.

751
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,000
Sure.
He's very very real things

752
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:11,900
called fossils.
A they do actually they behave

753
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:15,400
pretty well inside of limestone.
Okay.

754
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,500
Now, Now, you still have to be
careful when extracting them.

755
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:23,800
Yes, they do shatter, they are
fragile, but there no way shape

756
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,200
or form.
Like if you if you're going to

757
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,500
break our Drop, the Rock is
everything.

758
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:30,800
Just going to turn it dust
inside of it and fossil, now,

759
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:36,300
pretty things, right?
So, or at least, I used to think

760
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:39,700
they were for Jeff ruin our
lives.

761
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:44,100
Yeah, it's just doesn't talk.
I never said, they're fossils.

762
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:48,000
Weren't real.
I'm just said that dinosaurs and

763
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,100
everything that becomes possible
for real or just the ones, you

764
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:55,000
know, they aren't real.
Just the, there's a handful of

765
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,700
very important fossils.
That a lot of assumptions are

766
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:01,600
based off of and most of those
were hoaxed and faked fossils.

767
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,600
That's where the dinosaurs are.
Fake Rye stems from so it's not

768
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,700
all fossils.
Of course, there's fossils, but

769
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:12,700
it's the assumptions made off of
a handful of fake fossils that I

770
00:47:12,707 --> 00:47:15,500
have a problem with.
But this this is a good example

771
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,500
of this to write.
You have these, these fakes in

772
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:20,300
these hoaxes, right?
Whether you're talking about

773
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:25,000
this skull or this shit that
they found in the lock, right?

774
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,800
Same kind of thing.
How many people think right now

775
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,800
that those were legit A million.
A lot of people plug people, I

776
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,200
know a lot of million I've seen,
I've seen chat rooms as you

777
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,800
know, Facebook pages waste five,
where people look at these

778
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,700
things and you know, they
immediately bite down that this

779
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:50,200
is hard evidence that the Loch
Ness monster still exists to

780
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,300
this day.
Just like the same people in

781
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:55,900
these fucking Bigfoot groups,
which put red circles all over

782
00:47:55,900 --> 00:48:00,800
my wish and they're like there's
20 Bigfoot in this picture of

783
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,700
this.
Yeah and it's like here's the

784
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:11,400
showed the fuck up so I mean
yeah I totally get what you're

785
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:17,700
talking about, man.
I get it but I mean I don't know

786
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:20,300
man.
Let's let's not let's not make

787
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:24,000
it a competition of who can be
the smoothest brain, you know,

788
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,900
what's fucking try here?
So I'm just I'm shooting from

789
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:30,800
the hip because I don't have a
picture in front of me that

790
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,100
shows The what the vertebrae
look like and then when it was

791
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:39,500
found and then what it looks
like, you know, once samples

792
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:42,000
were taken or whatever.
So that's what I'm trying to

793
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,700
Rack my brain right now because
I'm thinking like There's this

794
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:48,500
really great picture of the guy
standing there, holding it in

795
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:51,200
his eyes.
He's just like got this wondrous

796
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,200
look on his face of like I love
my dad but he's wearing this

797
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,500
bright.
Yellow rain suit and it is the

798
00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:59,900
most ridiculous thing ever.
I loved it.

799
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:04,600
All of it is amazing.
Fair enough.

800
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:09,200
Actually I did find it here.
Put in that group chat.

801
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,400
Yo, put it in that group chat,
dude.

802
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:15,500
When you start adding these
pictures back into the the

803
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:21,000
videos we still doing that.
No, we're so half-ass here, in

804
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,200
the in front of Revel.
Yeah, you make it.

805
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,000
You will look for it themselves.
If anybody is expecting a good

806
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,100
podcast, don't come here.
This is not for you.

807
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:34,700
Oh, I don't really hear.
Well, you made your bed to lie

808
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:36,600
in it.
I did read a YouTube comment

809
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:39,400
with one of our most recent
videos that apparently we

810
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,200
chitchat too much and I have to
say that if that's something

811
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,100
that you struggle with maybe
podcasts listening isn't for

812
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:51,100
you.
They do tend to chitchat quite a

813
00:49:51,107 --> 00:49:54,700
bit in those podcasts where it's
like the radio, you know.

814
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,500
And in case this talk show just
they just talk.

815
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:06,100
Not a lot of show.
All right, I'm sufficient.

816
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:08,600
I'm sufficiently convinced.
It was all baloney with that

817
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,800
one.
All right.

818
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,000
Well, the pictures are in the
chat, okay?

819
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:16,300
Okay, we ready laughs.
This one's for you, you ready?

820
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:24,800
Okay.
Hey buddy, bear with us while we

821
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:32,900
take this quick break.
Last episode, Jeremy gave me a

822
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:34,800
strike for not knowing about
Aleister.

823
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,200
Crowley clearly, I had some
homework to do in order to

824
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,400
redeem myself.
So let me tell you a little bit

825
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,700
about this guy Crowley and his
involvement with the Loch Ness.

826
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,000
Crowley was very interested in
Magic and used it for the

827
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,300
purpose of interacting with
spiritual entities.

828
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:54,100
Having become a member of the
Golden Dawn.

829
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:58,500
In 1898, he moved in with a
fellow member, who taught him

830
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:03,000
about magic and other things.
Such as ritualistic drug use, he

831
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,600
was disliked by the other
members, for his different

832
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,800
lifestyle.
And he was eventually isolated

833
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,400
from the Golden Dawn.
Despite all of this.

834
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,100
He continued to practice magic
rituals.

835
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,300
In 1899.
He purchased the boleskine house

836
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,200
which is located on the
Southeastern side of the law.

837
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,200
This house is always been known
to have some strange things

838
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,100
happening.
Since it became a parish in the

839
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:31,800
13th century with a Kirk also
known as a church.

840
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,400
That's Scottish Gaelic for
church with a Kirk and graveyard

841
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,000
built on the property.
It was said that Minister Thomas

842
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,500
Houston was the man in charge of
putting animated Corpses.

843
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,200
Back into their graves.
After a local wizard cast a

844
00:51:49,207 --> 00:51:53,900
spell to raise the Dead the Kirk
unfortunately, burnt to the

845
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:57,800
ground which led to the house
itself being built in the 1760s.

846
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:02,900
Crowley wanted something that
was fairly isolated with a

847
00:52:02,908 --> 00:52:06,900
north-facing door and a Terrace.
He could cover with fine sand.

848
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,500
These very specific conditions
were needed in order for him to

849
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:12,600
conduct the ritual he had in
mind.

850
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,600
Crowley.
It was attempting to quote

851
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,400
invoke ones, Guardian Angel and
quote, using the book of the

852
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:28,300
Sacred magic of a April April,
Abram Allen.

853
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,400
The Mage.
I said that so wrong. this

854
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,700
should take about six months to
complete as he would have to

855
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:39,100
summon multiple demons, and
attempt to cleanse them of their

856
00:52:39,100 --> 00:52:43,400
negative influence and have them
quote, serve the light and

857
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,900
quote, In a few months when he
was about halfway through his

858
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:50,800
ritual, he receives of, he
received a phone call from a

859
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,300
colleague asking that Crowley
fly out to Paris, despite being

860
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:58,700
in the middle of his ritual.
He took off for Paris, never

861
00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:03,500
actually finishing this ritual.
Supposedly when you finish with

862
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:06,500
a ritual such as this one, you
have to banish whatever you

863
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:10,400
conjured up back to wherever it
came from and you'll never guess

864
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,600
what Crowley didn't do.
Whatever it was that Crowley

865
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,200
invited into the house is still
there today but what does any of

866
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,200
this have to do with the Loch?
Ness monster.

867
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,000
Well author and journalist Ted
holiday.

868
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,700
Believed that the Loch Ness
monster could actually be a

869
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:31,700
ghost or Spirit conjured up by
Crowley holiday even worked with

870
00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:35,100
a small team to try and perform
an exorcism on the lake and

871
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:40,500
banish this quote ghost Nessie.
Clearly they had no success.

872
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:43,700
Since there are still Nessie
sightings to this day.

873
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,300
Jake's already done.
Yep.

874
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:53,200
I mean I mean that's definitely
I did not know all that, so

875
00:53:53,207 --> 00:53:57,000
that's awesome.
But you basically just said what

876
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,200
I said in the last episode with
all the actual details, right?

877
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,400
That Crowley was here and
Crowley was there for a reason,

878
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,200
right?
This isn't this isn't happening

879
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,300
because Crowley was there, this
goes back.

880
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:13,400
But from before that right like
this this ancient wizard who was

881
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,400
you know animating Pieces in
this dude who was supposed to

882
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,200
put these reanimated corpses
back in the graves, right?

883
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,100
With some other type of my like
this goes back this in that's

884
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:28,300
probably some lore or mythology
based off of some other shit

885
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:31,000
that happened they're going
back, right?

886
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:36,000
So Crowley was probably just
tapping into that same energy at

887
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,300
this point wherever this house
is on the south corner or

888
00:54:39,308 --> 00:54:41,000
whatever.
Right of this lock.

889
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,200
So You know what, we're
experiencing today and what

890
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,600
people do see from time to time
again, I think it's just some

891
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,500
kind of bleed through between
Dimensions or, you know, entity,

892
00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:59,100
or time bleed through, who knows
what it is and how to explain

893
00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:02,300
it, but it's some kind of weird,
bleed-through, I think.

894
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,700
So we're going to chitchat
because that's what we do on

895
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:08,900
podcast.
Sorry, I'd say to you.

896
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:11,400
That that just blows my mind.
Anyways.

897
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:20,200
I actually believe that.
If there is a Loch Ness monster

898
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,900
that the ghost Nessie is the
answer.

899
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:33,000
So love it.
Jake what an ass.

900
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,100
I don't think that Nessie is a
flesh-and-blood.

901
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:41,600
I just don't and I'm not one
that just sits there and blames

902
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,600
everything on Spirits.
I am not sitting here saying

903
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,900
that I believe it is a ghost.
I'm saying that if it does

904
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:58,200
exist, I believe that it is a
spirit of applies.

905
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,100
Yes.
Or it's the only thing that

906
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:03,900
makes sense to me.
It did the flesh and blood for

907
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,500
for the Loch.
Ness monster doesn't sound right

908
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:09,100
to me.
It just doesn't there that the

909
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:12,000
body of water isn't isn't big
enough.

910
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:18,200
The the amount of searching that
has happened within this

911
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:23,300
confined space is, Is immense,
okay?

912
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:28,500
The amount of Technology money
time that has spent searching

913
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:33,700
for this damn thing.
It's not their dad.

914
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:35,500
I don't need a breeding
population, bro.

915
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:38,900
There's no way you would need a
breeding population not to

916
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:41,700
mention that if you put a
breeding population into the

917
00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:47,500
Loch Ness of plasia sores, which
we know were carnivores, there

918
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:49,900
would be no other things.
Anything else in there?

919
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,800
Okay, they'd be I mean, see him
All the time, you'd see him old

920
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,500
Factor mmkay evening.
Even if they came in from these

921
00:56:57,500 --> 00:57:01,700
Caverns, underneath the land
from from the ocean that a lot

922
00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:05,600
of people say, could potentially
be the case, you get a couple of

923
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,400
those motherfuckers in there,
and there's not gonna be any

924
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,800
other fish dude.
Okay, this is why they lived in

925
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,100
the ocean.
I just don't think it's a

926
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:20,000
possibility.
I think that the ghost Nessie is

927
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,700
very fantastic.
I think it's it's romantic,

928
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,200
sexy, beautiful, let's be
honest.

929
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:30,500
Okay, piggy back off that a
little bit, just because, you

930
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:34,400
know, like I live on the coast
and to like, kayak fishing and

931
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,100
stuff like that and just seeing,
like, a couple of dolphins, you

932
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:41,000
know, swimming in a frenzy of
feeding.

933
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,700
Yeah.
No, it's so intense at the top

934
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:48,000
of the water, it's so much
action that's happening.

935
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:51,800
You know, that you can see it
from hundreds and hundreds of

936
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,600
yards away at water level in a
kayak, right?

937
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,200
So yeah.
If you had a couple of these

938
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:03,400
things way bigger than dolphins,
Swimming around in there, you

939
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,300
would definitely see them doing
that.

940
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,200
Not to mention.
Like when I was living in

941
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,900
Florida, you like, if you were
out fishing, right?

942
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:14,100
And all of a sudden you just hit
this little where nothing.

943
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:16,500
You're not seeing any fish
activity, you're not getting a

944
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:21,400
bite, a nibble or nothing and 10
minutes later a dolphin strolls

945
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,000
by, and you're like, well,
that's why, right?

946
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,500
Because everything fucking
hides, right?

947
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,400
Put some plasia sores on their
man, and I just don't think

948
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,100
you'd ever see.
Anything come out.

949
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,400
I mean the locks just not
thinking I know it's a big body

950
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:38,600
of water.
Don't get me wrong.

951
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,300
I get that.
It's huge big but it's not big

952
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:44,500
enough to hold a breeding eating
population.

953
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,300
Please just order.
Or magical player.

954
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:50,500
Drop liya player Don's.
Nope.

955
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:56,500
Candy Mountain.
Yeah, I don't, I don't really

956
00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:59,600
want to get in my opinions of
Aleister Crowley.

957
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,300
And how made up that stuff is in
this episode.

958
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:06,200
I think that there's a time and
a place for that because I'm

959
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:12,200
going to start an argument but
I'll be your answer.

960
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:21,500
Yeah, I don't I don't think that
what about this idea that we go

961
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:26,400
back to in our other Cryptid
talks, or discussions or

962
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:30,000
presentations, or whatever that
Early.

963
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,800
Humans could have seen these
things at some point, even if it

964
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,000
was the last of them and had an
oral tradition passed down,

965
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:42,200
because we know that in Ireland
and Scotland and England before

966
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:46,200
it was Ireland, Scotland
England, you know, you had a lot

967
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,700
of we had paganism.
And one thing that pagans were

968
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:53,600
really well known for was their
oral Traditions, their

969
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,800
mythologies, their their
stories, all that sort of stuff.

970
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,000
Right?
You see that all those Pagan

971
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,400
cultures all the way around the
world is that that's how they

972
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,500
communicated, you know?
They they shared their

973
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:08,600
experiences through mythologies
and stuff.

974
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,000
So what's to say that this
couldn't have been that as well?

975
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:18,700
And in like a lot of cases that
we see there is no substantial

976
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:24,000
evidence whatsoever at this
thing has existed at any point

977
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:31,200
dirt in the Civilized portion of
these this area or these areas

978
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,500
but people hang on to that
tradition and that mythology and

979
01:00:35,500 --> 01:00:40,500
they keep it alive by lying or
making hoaxes because that to me

980
01:00:40,500 --> 01:00:44,700
makes the most sense is that if
it's universally bad to.

981
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:48,800
I mean like these like I was
saying like with this spot were

982
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,100
Crowley's houses.
Right.

983
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:53,000
And then before that it was this
church with the cemetery and

984
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,100
this other folklore lie.
Sure that could go back like

985
01:00:56,100 --> 01:01:00,900
you're saying To ancient times
and it but it all these have to

986
01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:04,500
stem from something.
In my, my opinion, all folklore

987
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:08,400
and mythology is and religion
and all of this comes from

988
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,200
something that actually
happened, that made them create

989
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:17,200
this story to begin with.
So yeah, I could go back a

990
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,800
million years of human oral
tradition of Loch, Ness being

991
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,000
there.
But that's because something

992
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,600
happened there.
And I think that it's not

993
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:30,100
necessarily the I think people
need to stop focusing on Loch

994
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:34,900
Ness monster and need to start
focusing more on Loch Ness as a

995
01:01:34,900 --> 01:01:38,200
location.
If that makes sense, you're

996
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,900
talking about way of lines and
such, right?

997
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:47,600
I mean, I'd be interested to see
kid, forgive me, if I'm jumping

998
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,000
ahead.
I don't know if you included any

999
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,500
of this in your research, but I
would be interested to see what

1000
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:55,300
other strange phenomena happens
here.

1001
01:01:56,300 --> 01:02:02,600
Because, you know, if we're to
take Jeff's Theory into

1002
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,700
consideration, then there would
have to be some other stuff.

1003
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:08,900
I'm not saying it has to be as
crazy as Skinwalker Ranch or

1004
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:11,300
whatnot, but there would be some
other stuff.

1005
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:17,100
I don't know about, I don't have
anything more about that, but

1006
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:21,700
like I don't know about Loch
Ness as a whole, if it's got

1007
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:26,600
anything else going on.
But I know this boleskine house

1008
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,700
is like a hot spot.
It's a massive.

1009
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:33,400
I was trying to Google Earth it
so I could get an idea as to

1010
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,900
where the cemetery was in
comparison to the house because

1011
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:39,300
the cemetery is still standing
and everything.

1012
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:42,800
There's actually I was reading
there's tunnel systems

1013
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,400
underneath that connect the
cemetery in the house together.

1014
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,600
So I Trying to get kind of like
a little lay of the land here

1015
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,500
and it's a massive property.
So I wouldn't be surprised if

1016
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:59,300
there's something strange cross
in there somewhere on the

1017
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:04,300
property or taking place or
whatever the case may be, maybe

1018
01:03:04,900 --> 01:03:07,000
it is Scotland's Skinwalker
Ranch.

1019
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:12,900
You know, I think there's a,
there's a reason that people do

1020
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,400
magic people who actually
attempt to do magic now.

1021
01:03:16,500 --> 01:03:19,800
Like Jake doesn't believe in
magic and that's Are right, like

1022
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,500
whether it's real or not what
they're attempting to do is

1023
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:25,300
reel, right?
Like they're in their intention,

1024
01:03:25,300 --> 01:03:28,000
in their action and doing the
thing, that's a real action.

1025
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,200
So sure people who feel like
they know what they're doing.

1026
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,900
Use these places all over the
world and that's why you have

1027
01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:38,100
temples going back.
Thousands of years built on

1028
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:40,600
these very specific ley-line
points, right?

1029
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:45,600
So same with this, the spot.
So I think all these people

1030
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,000
Crowley and everybody else going
back.

1031
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,800
These Wizards in the stories and
everybody else going.

1032
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,800
Back.
They just knew that this was a

1033
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,900
place that weird shit happens
and that you could potentially

1034
01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:59,100
tap into Whatever the dream
world or alternate, reality or

1035
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:03,200
Hell, or whatever.
Your belief was what is I'm

1036
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,400
going to go into something that
Jeremy said in the last episode

1037
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:12,000
that he hates but it's makes me
curious these places that are

1038
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,700
supposedly like so
hyper-energetic hyper-energetic

1039
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,000
intergenic whatever.
I don't, you know, a lot of

1040
01:04:20,008 --> 01:04:24,400
energy with that with all this
sort of craziness and stuff is

1041
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,500
that for people Well, that are
just going there, unbeknownst of

1042
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:29,900
the area and it just, you know,
happens to them or is this

1043
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:33,100
people that are specifically
looking for an experienced in

1044
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:37,100
these sorts of places.
Because I would say that a lot

1045
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:41,100
of that is unless there's actual
evidence of it.

1046
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:46,200
Like like look, man, we're in
the age of YouTube, like

1047
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:48,900
everyone's got a phone.
We talk about this all the time,

1048
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:53,100
but everyone's got a phone, you
know, say like you know that one

1049
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,800
bad person.
That enforces the law in your

1050
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,600
area and they're just getting
snatched up because people are

1051
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,300
recording everything that's
going on these days.

1052
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,500
And I do a YouTube search for
black magic Conjuring things.

1053
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:10,400
Like, you know, willing things
into existence, all this sort of

1054
01:05:10,408 --> 01:05:12,500
stuff.
Nothing.

1055
01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:13,900
But a lot of people talk about
it.

1056
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:16,500
Not knowing that actually
demonstrates any of this stuff,

1057
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:19,400
right?
And you know, the best we have

1058
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,000
is I'll see some stupid Ghost
Hunter show.

1059
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,500
And these people will take a
voice out of literally Nothing

1060
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:29,100
just scratchy nonsense, just
audio garbage that's you know

1061
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:31,900
from their sound system and be
like it's saying this and it's

1062
01:05:31,900 --> 01:05:36,300
like no it's not but it's like
that's like the extent of it and

1063
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:40,900
its I rarely hear.
I have heard.

1064
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,700
I'm not going to be completely
on one side.

1065
01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:47,300
My mom grew up in a house in
England that she doesn't believe

1066
01:05:47,300 --> 01:05:49,900
in ghosts, but she swears
there's demonic activity.

1067
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:55,200
Like, there was, you know, her
and her sister being pushed down

1068
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,900
the stairs, you know, sort of
stuff.

1069
01:05:56,900 --> 01:06:00,800
There was the Gasping turned on,
a lot of weird stuff going on in

1070
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,100
that house because the lady like
killed her whole family and hung

1071
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:07,700
herself in it and stuff and it
was on a military base but it

1072
01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:10,200
really old place.
So I'm I can say that this stuff

1073
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,900
doesn't exist around people that
aren't suspecting it or

1074
01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:17,900
expecting it to happen, but it
seems that a majority of these

1075
01:06:17,900 --> 01:06:22,900
sort sort of hotspots, the
evidence of that comes from

1076
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:26,100
people who are specifically
seeking that stuff out.

1077
01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:30,200
And I know that Jeremy said
this, that he hates it.

1078
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,300
When people say it's not
evidence just because someone

1079
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:35,100
was looking for bigfoot, but I
feel like this is a valid thing

1080
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:39,900
to bring up is that if you're
specifically going to An area to

1081
01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:42,100
be like, this is some place
where I'm going to experience

1082
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:44,200
something like this and then
they haven't experienced, the

1083
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,400
brain has a great way of doing
this for her stuff.

1084
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:50,300
You know have having an
emotional experience when

1085
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:54,100
there's really nothing going on
in the same way you could say

1086
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:56,800
someone's going out to see
Bigfoot and if they didn't

1087
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,300
capture a picture video and they
said that they did.

1088
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,800
It's possible that they could
have seen a shadow and their

1089
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,700
brain filled in the rest of it
to say that they saw Sasquatch

1090
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,900
when they could have more than
likely seen.

1091
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:11,900
Absolutely nothing.
And so this is how I'm like I

1092
01:07:11,908 --> 01:07:15,800
don't think that Aleister
Crowley being on this property

1093
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,900
really has anything to do with
Loch Ness or the Loch, Ness

1094
01:07:20,900 --> 01:07:22,700
monster, anything like that.
I think this is just a weird,

1095
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:23,800
dude.
That was really big, into

1096
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,600
witchcraft, for whatever reason,
whatever people get from that,

1097
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:33,000
it happened to be there.
I don't and doing drugs.

1098
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,500
And Sex Magic, like, heaven,
though.

1099
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:37,700
I agree.
That's why I said, I don't think

1100
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:39,600
that he has.
I don't think that he's the

1101
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,900
reason for Loch Ness monster.
And anyway, I think that he just

1102
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,900
Knew that that spot was an
energy spot.

1103
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,400
He knew that, you know, the, I
think, again, the reason that

1104
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,800
people are seeing Loch Ness
Monsters because it's one of

1105
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,200
these points of energy is one of
these warts vortices of energy,

1106
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,900
right?
I don't know how you describe

1107
01:07:56,900 --> 01:07:58,400
this.
And people are catching a

1108
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,200
glimpse of something somehow.
Even if it's just in the mind,

1109
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,600
maybe it only affects the mind
and that's what's so special

1110
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:04,400
about it.
I don't know.

1111
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,600
But he was just there because
that's a spot not because of the

1112
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,700
monster the monster is not
because of him same with the

1113
01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:13,800
cemetery, same with all of it.
That's my whole point.

1114
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,700
I mean you know Skinwalker
Ranch.

1115
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:21,700
Which was on the crossroads of
Ley lines.

1116
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,000
You know, I'd be curious as to
I'm sure Ley lines have

1117
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,200
something to do with the lock.
I think we talked about this

1118
01:08:28,700 --> 01:08:32,100
last episode and I believe we
found out that it did and if

1119
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:35,399
he's somewhere in the general
area of the lock.

1120
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:39,399
Well, I mean, we should have a
Ley lines episode because I've

1121
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:42,899
seen those pictures and they're
literally everywhere, which

1122
01:08:42,899 --> 01:08:46,300
means that everywhere there's a
Ley line should technically be a

1123
01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:47,200
hot spot.
Spot.

1124
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:49,700
So you have that's what you're
getting at.

1125
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:53,500
I mean, you know, no, so
everywhere that there's a line

1126
01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:55,200
doesn't necessarily mean too
much.

1127
01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:57,300
It's the cross-sections of those
lines.

1128
01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:59,800
Those are where I hot spots sent
tend to be.

1129
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:04,100
Now the Ley lines, I'm not going
to get too far into it because

1130
01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:06,000
you're right.
We should do a whole episode on

1131
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,899
it.
Right, there are multiple

1132
01:09:07,899 --> 01:09:10,200
different kinds of Ley lines and
let's just talk about one, for

1133
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:15,000
example, magnetic lines, right?
The, the magnet magnetic flux

1134
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,600
lines that come off of the
planet though.

1135
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:24,300
Those there alone are considered
to be a type of of Ley line,

1136
01:09:24,300 --> 01:09:26,300
right?
And it doesn't necessarily form

1137
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:33,600
the shape of the cast at the two
ovals that normal, Mexican a

1138
01:09:33,700 --> 01:09:37,899
sine wave.
Mine's kind of look like a sine

1139
01:09:37,899 --> 01:09:42,100
wave or whatever, but yeah, you
know, alternating sign.

1140
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:45,100
Way is right, where it has, but
they kind of they go up and they

1141
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:46,700
come down.
They just keep circling like

1142
01:09:46,700 --> 01:09:49,000
this.
We know that it makes an

1143
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,700
infinity symbol through the
Earth.

1144
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,200
No.
Yeah, it makes two circles.

1145
01:09:56,300 --> 01:10:00,300
They don't like this.
That's not how flux lines were

1146
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:05,400
no, that's what it looks like.
If you the hollow Earth, look, I

1147
01:10:05,407 --> 01:10:07,400
know what you're saying.
But magnets magnets mess

1148
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,600
everything up, right?
They mess up the way that

1149
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,200
animals migrate.
They screw up the way that your

1150
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,400
body will function, your brain
will function a high-powered

1151
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,500
magnet were like, destroy your
brain, you know, it's just like,

1152
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:18,300
right?
Yeah.

1153
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:22,700
But what I'm saying, what I'm
saying is, you know, to, to

1154
01:10:22,700 --> 01:10:26,800
Jeff's argument here, is that
what if this is a Place where

1155
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,500
like in the Skinwalker Ranch or
many other places that we're

1156
01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:30,700
going to talk about in the
future.

1157
01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:33,600
And if you place that we talked
in the past like Bridgewater,

1158
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,200
you know the Bridgewater
Triangle up in Massachusetts

1159
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:41,500
where we did cheese that the
extremely early episode that we

1160
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:43,600
did on this show about the
alien.

1161
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:51,900
Abductions up there from Yes,
you don't talk about cashman's.

1162
01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:55,500
That's so long.
You know what I'm talking about

1163
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:58,800
with the guy, was he trapped in
the beam of light?

1164
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,700
And he was, and he couldn't move
or whatever.

1165
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:03,400
You know, I'm talking about, you
know what I'm talking about?

1166
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,500
He knows and she talking about.
Yeah, I'm looking at him right

1167
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:07,900
now.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold

1168
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:09,100
on.
I think I think we under, I

1169
01:11:09,108 --> 01:11:10,300
think we all get the point
though.

1170
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:13,700
This is just probably a spot.
It's just a spot where shit

1171
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:15,700
happens and people see shit,
right?

1172
01:11:15,700 --> 01:11:18,100
And I'm sure I'm taking your
side, right?

1173
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:19,200
Because I don't know, I get
that.

1174
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,200
That I think that, you know, who
knows maybe the Loch Ness

1175
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,800
Monster is part of these
interdimensional beings that do

1176
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:29,400
only come over here, maybe
there's some sort of

1177
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,600
intelligence to him.
I don't know, I don't think so.

1178
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,700
I really don't be honest with
you.

1179
01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:36,100
I don't think that that's the
case here.

1180
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,500
I think that you would be
hearing way more about the area,

1181
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:43,800
think news would have gotten out
if this was a legitimate

1182
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:48,300
cross-section and Ley lines.
I mean there could be a small

1183
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:50,700
something There.
But I don't think it's anywhere

1184
01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:54,100
near as big as, as a, the Uintah
Basin.

1185
01:11:54,700 --> 01:11:56,100
And right.
Yeah.

1186
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:58,900
It's a smaller smaller
intersection, you know, of

1187
01:11:58,900 --> 01:12:04,500
course, but I, you know.
Anyways, let's move on because

1188
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:06,600
we'll get more into it.
And yeah, we're just going to

1189
01:12:06,608 --> 01:12:09,500
get derail off onto this for
another hour, we're going to be

1190
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:11,900
chit-chatting too much for our
listeners.

1191
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,100
Berkshire UFO, I'm a okay.
Let me rephrase, I'm gonna ask

1192
01:12:19,100 --> 01:12:22,100
all your previous questions.
I told you to hang on, you're

1193
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:24,700
going to ask them or answering
them and so that's already asked

1194
01:12:24,700 --> 01:12:27,700
them, you know what I meant?
Just carry, answer them.

1195
01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:28,900
Okay, are you ready?
Here we go.

1196
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:33,300
I'm ready.
Before I can move on to the next

1197
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:36,300
research project that the lock,
we should talk a bit about West.

1198
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:41,000
What Nessie could be besides a
ghost over the years.

1199
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,000
There have been many different
explanations given for what

1200
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,800
could be mistaken.
As the Loch Ness monster such as

1201
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,700
the plus CS or heels Greenland
sharks.

1202
01:12:50,700 --> 01:12:54,600
Catfish, sturgeon seals, otters
and even an elephant on a couple

1203
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,000
different occasions.
Water is a tricky substance and

1204
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,100
most definitely can play tricks
on your eyes.

1205
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:03,900
When you have no reference of
scale, it is really easy to see

1206
01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:07,000
a duck or swan out in the
distance and make it for the

1207
01:13:07,008 --> 01:13:09,600
monster and mistake it for the
monster.

1208
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,500
Some can be.
Same can be said about many of

1209
01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:16,000
these other creatures that are
mistaken as Nessie.

1210
01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:19,900
Sturgeon, never stop growing.
The largest ever recorded was

1211
01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:25,300
unjust under 24 feet long and
Rupert goold even suggested that

1212
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:28,100
it could be a large Newt like
animal.

1213
01:13:28,700 --> 01:13:30,600
And it's interesting fact about
it.

1214
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,700
This is that they are one of the
few animals that can go between

1215
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:37,100
fresh and saltwater without
issues, and they can grow up to

1216
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:40,500
6 feet long.
Perhaps we're just seeing seals

1217
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:44,400
swimming together.
One, very interesting theory

1218
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,100
that I stumbled upon claimed
that Nessie could be a basis Leo

1219
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:52,800
Soros, abbes, Leo, Soros or as
Uggla, Don is a large whale

1220
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,700
estimated to be around 65 feet
in length and weigh up to 20

1221
01:13:56,700 --> 01:14:00,000
tons.
The name bazeley asaurus means

1222
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,000
king, lizard in Latin and
originally it was thought to be

1223
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:07,700
a marine reptile similar to the
plus CS or however that's not

1224
01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:10,700
the case at all.
The bazeley asaurus is a vicious

1225
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:14,500
whale that would rip its prey
And to shreds feeding on sharks

1226
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:18,700
and other predatory, whales this
creature had this creature had a

1227
01:14:18,708 --> 01:14:22,800
very Sleek body, very serpent or
snake-like which would

1228
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,100
definitely fit the description
of a lake monster.

1229
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,200
But wait, there's still more to
it.

1230
01:14:28,900 --> 01:14:32,100
What if, it's not an animal,
we're seeing it very well, could

1231
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:36,800
just be a tree or Driftwood
seismic activity, wakes in the

1232
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,900
water or a simple optical
illusion, because of the shape

1233
01:14:40,900 --> 01:14:43,600
of the lake, it is very To
mistake a boat.

1234
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,400
Wake, as a potential creature in
the water, the lock has, what's

1235
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:51,000
called an oscillating?
Period, which lasts 31 and a

1236
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,600
half minutes, and is the result
of water settling to its natural

1237
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:59,400
state after being blown to one
side or the other of the lake,

1238
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,500
an interesting Theory to me was
the seismic activity Italian

1239
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:07,500
geologist Luigi Picardy
suggested that.

1240
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:10,100
Because the locks it's along the
fault line.

1241
01:15:10,300 --> 01:15:12,400
We could just be experiencing
smaller.

1242
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:15,000
Earthquakes and mistaking.
Them is the creature below the

1243
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,300
water.
All of these are very

1244
01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:20,300
interesting theories, but we
still don't have a definitive

1245
01:15:20,300 --> 01:15:23,900
answer as to what is in the law.
The legend of the monster has

1246
01:15:23,900 --> 01:15:26,300
been tied to the legend of the
Kelpie as well.

1247
01:15:26,900 --> 01:15:29,800
Kelpies are these violent
shape-shifting creatures often

1248
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,200
described as having black horse,
like like appearances but they

1249
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:38,100
can also take on a human form.
All of this, along with the

1250
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:41,600
theory that Nessie is a ghost.
So what do you think is Nessie a

1251
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,000
bird or other known animal?
Perhaps our eyes are playing

1252
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,400
tricks on us.
Maybe it's maybe it's as simple

1253
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,200
as floating Driftwood or is
Nessie a paranormal entity

1254
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,900
haunting the lake before we
discuss our thoughts on this, I

1255
01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:57,700
want to bring up a couple
different studies that were

1256
01:15:57,700 --> 01:16:00,800
done.
The first one was in 1994 called

1257
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,500
the Rosetta project.
The aim of this project was to

1258
01:16:03,500 --> 01:16:07,300
drill 6 meters or about 20 feet
into the bed of the lock for

1259
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:10,100
core samples.
The samples were taken from a

1260
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:14,100
flat area in the northern Basin
at approximately 200 meters or

1261
01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:17,600
656 feet.
And it was done by using two

1262
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:23,200
large suction anchors.
Once at the bottom water would

1263
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,200
be pumped out of the drum like
anchor.

1264
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:29,000
And as a result forced into the
ground, there were two samples

1265
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,900
successfully recovered from the
lock.

1266
01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:33,600
And this helped us get a better
understanding of the variety of

1267
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:37,400
a variety of different things,
including that the lock seams

1268
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,400
together more sediment during
the winter.

1269
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:43,600
And that is believed that this
is p due to the high.

1270
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:48,900
Rainfall With this, we are also
able to learn that the law

1271
01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:52,400
Clacks nutrients, such as
nitrates and phosphates, which

1272
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,700
are vital for plant growth with
a lack of nutrients.

1273
01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:58,200
There can't be much of a food
chain, which would make it

1274
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,400
difficult for larger animals to
survive.

1275
01:17:01,300 --> 01:17:04,300
The second research Expedition,
I want to bring up took place in

1276
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:08,900
2018, a DNA survey was done to
determine what kind of DNA

1277
01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:13,000
material could be identified
within the law DNA.

1278
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,200
They did not find included
sharks It's sturgeon.

1279
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:21,800
Catfish any other large fish,
otters or seals nor did they

1280
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,200
find any sort of reptilian
sequences?

1281
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:29,100
However, they did find a lot of.
And I mean, a lot of appeal,

1282
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:34,800
DNA, the high amount of eel DNA
found could be because there's

1283
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,700
lots of small eel swimming at
the bottom of the lock or that

1284
01:17:37,700 --> 01:17:40,800
there's potentially very big eel
swimming at the bottom of the

1285
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,900
lock and very well could explain
some of the sightings over the

1286
01:17:43,900 --> 01:17:47,800
years since a large.
Since a large eel has never

1287
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,300
actually been caught.
This is really only a

1288
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:54,000
speculation.
Did I answer all your questions

1289
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:54,500
now?
Jake?

1290
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,200
I've put on my show hat, I see
that.

1291
01:18:02,500 --> 01:18:06,500
All right, either, it's an eel
or it's a flat-out lie.

1292
01:18:07,700 --> 01:18:09,600
Like even.
All right, so when I remember,

1293
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,800
when I said I was going to blow
the lid off this thing.

1294
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,300
So, I wrote down every portion I
work down.

1295
01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:21,800
A portion of of what you said,
is said in 1930. 1933 is when

1296
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:26,900
the legend of Loch Ness started,
but of course you talk about st.

1297
01:18:26,900 --> 01:18:33,200
Columba back in 65, 65 ad and he
claimed to have seen the

1298
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,200
creature.
Although, his story is a little

1299
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,000
bit, it's a little bit.
Are out there.

1300
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:42,000
I mean some of the claims about
him where you know, I don't know

1301
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,200
how much looking into is done
more.

1302
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,100
So than just, you know, what he
said.

1303
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,100
Like, you know, oh, this guy can
raise the dead and all kinds of

1304
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:55,500
stuff.
Like, I don't know, and I was

1305
01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:56,700
going to blow the lid off this
thing.

1306
01:18:56,700 --> 01:19:02,100
So I was like, hey, you know,
1933 when was the plesiosaurs

1307
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:05,600
discovered?
And let me tell you, And like

1308
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,700
1890.
So that wasn't it?

1309
01:19:07,700 --> 01:19:10,200
Alright, I was just like, I said
her thinking, like this guy,

1310
01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:17,200
this guy had no idea what this
thing was but I don't know

1311
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:23,400
exactly how much information was
kind of passed around at that

1312
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,900
time.
It's it's hard for me as someone

1313
01:19:25,900 --> 01:19:30,200
who's lived this entire life.
Like, even I had the library at

1314
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:33,800
least growing up, right?
And then the internet was better

1315
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:39,600
than just dial up as I got older
but it's hard for me to imagine

1316
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:44,700
a time when really, the only
information and News, you would

1317
01:19:44,700 --> 01:19:52,000
get, would be very, very big
news like in the modern world or

1318
01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:53,800
just what's going on around your
town.

1319
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,500
So, I don't know if it's
Discovery like this happen, how

1320
01:19:57,500 --> 01:20:01,700
widespread it was passed like
the scientific Community, right?

1321
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:07,400
So that in itself could lend to
this idea that maybe they did

1322
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,400
see something but I agree with.
I don't know it weathers Jeff

1323
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,100
for Jeremy that there's you
know, so much.

1324
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,300
Knology these days and all sorts
of stuff that, you know,

1325
01:20:17,300 --> 01:20:24,000
something just not being found.
That would be that big or

1326
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,800
breeding population and I agree
with both of them, like, even

1327
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,500
just seeing a fish jump, you
know?

1328
01:20:29,500 --> 01:20:33,200
And and and strike in the, you
know, wee hours of the morning.

1329
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,900
You see the ripples that stuff
like, you know, 300 yards away.

1330
01:20:36,900 --> 01:20:38,500
It just keeps going forever,
right?

1331
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:41,800
And you imagine like a something
the size like a great white

1332
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,200
shark breaching out of the
water, like You'd be able to see

1333
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,800
that from across the dang Lake,
probably, you know, I mean, the

1334
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,900
lock or whatever.
So yeah, I don't, I don't think

1335
01:20:50,900 --> 01:20:54,900
that.
Honestly, I don't think that

1336
01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:58,200
there was ever anything there,
you know, at least, while it was

1337
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:02,200
a lock, or a lake or whatever.
I looked at that picture of

1338
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,100
Jeremy sent me of the, of the
bone and it.

1339
01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:06,100
Okay.
Yeah, I would have picked that

1340
01:21:06,100 --> 01:21:07,400
thing up.
I would have known right away.

1341
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,500
With that thing was, you don't
have to be an expert to be like,

1342
01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:13,100
that's not a rock, you know,
that's something extra than just

1343
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:14,300
a rock, right?
Right.

1344
01:21:14,700 --> 01:21:20,600
But Maybe at some point and then
through mythology and stuff,

1345
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:24,000
they pass it down and then
people have kept the oral

1346
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,500
Traditions alive and the history
of that areas alive.

1347
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:29,900
Because and I think that there's
value to that, I don't think

1348
01:21:29,900 --> 01:21:34,600
that, you know, just like, I'm
so far removed from it.

1349
01:21:34,608 --> 01:21:37,400
But I got married in my Kilt
because I'm, you know, a

1350
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,100
descendant of the Pollock Clan,
right?

1351
01:21:39,100 --> 01:21:41,800
So I have a pollock killed and I
got married in it.

1352
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:46,000
I think that there's, there's
something to be said and value

1353
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:50,200
their to Keeping that old way of
life somewhat alive whether

1354
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,500
that's through stories or
through traditions and all kinds

1355
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:55,600
of stuff that we shouldn't just
let go of that because we're in

1356
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,600
a new century or whatever.
Right.

1357
01:21:58,300 --> 01:22:02,800
So, and if that's their way of
doing that of keeping it alive

1358
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,300
as by, you know, carrying this
tradition of like maybe what

1359
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:09,600
their the early people there saw
at some point, you know, then I

1360
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,900
guess it makes sense.
But I don't think that there's

1361
01:22:12,900 --> 01:22:17,500
anything near what we'd see or
expecting to see a A plays a

1362
01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:21,300
sore or whatever it is, or
ancient whale inside, Loch,

1363
01:22:21,300 --> 01:22:22,900
Ness.
I think that if anything it's an

1364
01:22:22,900 --> 01:22:29,100
eel or it's nothing fun, great,
I sent some pictures over to the

1365
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:31,600
Facebook chat.
I just want.

1366
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,100
I did this as kind of a
reference of how big the lock

1367
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:39,600
actually is right.
It is a decent size body of

1368
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,400
water.
The thing about the lock though

1369
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,200
is that there's no hidden areas,
okay?

1370
01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:47,800
Doesn't matter where you stand.
There's no Part of the lock that

1371
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,100
you can't see from land.
Okay.

1372
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,800
So there's eyes on this thing at
all times, all right?

1373
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,900
There's there's major roadways,
there's tourist attractions,

1374
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:02,700
there's all kinds of stuff.
There's many, many, many, many,

1375
01:23:02,700 --> 01:23:06,900
many organizations, who have
cameras, right all over that

1376
01:23:06,900 --> 01:23:13,100
lock, wanting running 24/7.
And it's it's kind of ridiculous

1377
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:16,900
to think that in a closed
environment.

1378
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:21,600
Environment that we have not
spotted, true evidence of the

1379
01:23:21,608 --> 01:23:25,900
Loch Ness monster.
I don't know about the eel thing

1380
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,400
sounds like it could be no idea.
I believe people see things

1381
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,100
right?
They see things and they look at

1382
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:36,100
the v's and in the water and
there you know, because of the

1383
01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:38,900
lure of the the area, the first
and then they jump to is the

1384
01:23:38,900 --> 01:23:43,200
Loch Ness monster.
I don't think it exists.

1385
01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:48,300
I've stated that for a very long
time, I think it's fantastic,

1386
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:50,100
though.
The is a great story.

1387
01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:54,300
I if I had a chance to go and
investigate the Loch Ness

1388
01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:58,300
monster, I'd go in a heartbeat
just because going to the area,

1389
01:23:58,300 --> 01:24:06,700
I mean the the historical
relevance cryptozoology in is

1390
01:24:06,700 --> 01:24:11,300
just and it's amazing, right?
I would absolutely go.

1391
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,100
It would be, it would be a hell
of a lot of fun.

1392
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:16,100
I I'd never expect it to find
anything but I'd give it a hell

1393
01:24:16,100 --> 01:24:18,400
of a shot, right?
Hi clean.

1394
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:25,500
The fridge magnet I would grab
one and I just to go there for

1395
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:35,300
for the the pure I mean she's
this is like Supernatural hot

1396
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:39,200
spot like this is one of the big
ones that you hear about

1397
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:42,700
immediately as you jump into
this world of the unknown,

1398
01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:45,800
right?
It's Yeah, this is the first one

1399
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:49,300
that a lot of people are of.
This is one of the king Cryptids

1400
01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:53,500
Bigfoot and Loch Ness monster.
Like if you try to explain what

1401
01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:56,300
cryptozoology is to somebody,
right?

1402
01:24:56,500 --> 01:24:58,200
And they're like, wooden block
Nest.

1403
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,500
That's it right Bigfoot.
And lots of what I do all the

1404
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:04,500
time.
I tell people, I we talked about

1405
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:07,600
Cryptids and they're like,
what's a Cryptid Bigfoot Loch

1406
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:13,100
Ness light bulb moments, right?
Mythical creatures.

1407
01:25:15,500 --> 01:25:20,600
Yeah, so but I don't think that
there's anything here.

1408
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:23,000
I don't think it's fantastic,
though.

1409
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:24,400
I love it.
I love the Loch.

1410
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:31,300
Ness monster mad respect but I
don't think you exist.

1411
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:37,600
Sorry dude.
Is this the final thoughts?

1412
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,300
I stepped away for water so I
missed like the last little bit

1413
01:25:40,300 --> 01:25:45,100
of Final Countdown, dude.
Yeah, it sounds like we're

1414
01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:46,800
sounds like we're dishing out
fine with loud.

1415
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:51,100
So I just thought you guys were
gonna dish it out.

1416
01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:54,900
Final thoughts which is fine
because my next paragraph is

1417
01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:59,300
actually titled honorable
mentions and final thoughts.

1418
01:25:59,700 --> 01:26:01,500
Perfect.
So there were there were a

1419
01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:05,000
couple little things here that I
thought were interesting and I

1420
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,500
wanted to mention but I didn't
think there was enough stock

1421
01:26:07,500 --> 01:26:10,300
behind them so I just kind of
put them in my honorable

1422
01:26:10,300 --> 01:26:13,000
mentions here.
Alright fair enough.

1423
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,300
Well yeah I'll just give you
mine then since sounds like

1424
01:26:15,500 --> 01:26:17,900
again we have already kind of
done this and you're about to.

1425
01:26:17,900 --> 01:26:21,500
So basically basically like I've
been saying this whole time I

1426
01:26:21,508 --> 01:26:24,600
think this is just a hot spot
and people in and there's some

1427
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,200
weird bleed through interaction
with something else that's

1428
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,700
happening, right?
Some other reality but you know

1429
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:36,100
I don't necessarily think that
the Loch Ness Ness Monster is

1430
01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:39,300
one of those things that people
are experiencing because of the

1431
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:42,800
hot spot.
I think the Loch Ness Monster is

1432
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,900
a myth.
I think other shit might be

1433
01:26:46,900 --> 01:26:51,000
going on there, right?
Because of the other stories,

1434
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,000
right?
Not just the Crowley thing,

1435
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,300
although that, that whole thing
is interesting to me, but the

1436
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,400
story of The Wizard and shit
before, like all of that, just

1437
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:00,800
it that's more interesting to
me.

1438
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,000
So I think that there's
something else going on there.

1439
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:08,300
People are experiencing other
weird, Phenomenon and the Loch

1440
01:27:08,300 --> 01:27:12,200
Ness Monster is just a myth but
it's a good myth because people

1441
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,900
are making lots of money on it
so they just keep dishing it

1442
01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:19,300
out.
Keep you know I guarantee you

1443
01:27:19,900 --> 01:27:23,100
you know with the all the
Discovery Channel shows in the

1444
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:26,400
History Channel shows and the
monster quest and the whatever

1445
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,700
whatever.
You know, that's what it's all

1446
01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:31,800
about for them.
But there is some weird shit

1447
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,200
probably going on there.
Cancer.

1448
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:41,900
I'm glad that you you broke into
the DNA samples because right

1449
01:27:41,900 --> 01:27:45,100
away, I was like, okay, it's a
sturgeon Now.

1450
01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:46,700
Where's the proof that their
sturgeon there?

1451
01:27:47,100 --> 01:27:50,400
I thought it was a surgeon.
To when I started my research, I

1452
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:55,500
was determined, I'm like, this
sounds like a sturgeon, no

1453
01:27:55,500 --> 01:27:58,600
sturgeon in the lake right
because I looked at up, I was

1454
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:04,200
like, are there sturgeon and
Loch Ness and I Can't come up

1455
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:08,500
with a lot of titles saying you
know monsters Sturgeon or

1456
01:28:08,500 --> 01:28:11,600
something like that but you
know, nothing very specific on

1457
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,500
it on whether or not there were
sturgeon in the lake, just

1458
01:28:14,500 --> 01:28:16,600
people claiming that it could be
right?

1459
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,500
Because and then it the burden
of proof would be like, okay,

1460
01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:25,500
well then are there surgeon in
the lake, right?

1461
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,100
And so yeah, that DNA sample
thing.

1462
01:28:28,300 --> 01:28:33,600
So, Yeah, I agree with Jeff
dang, good story if it makes

1463
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,800
people money.
I mean, that's pretty solid, you

1464
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,200
know, it's one thing to make a
something like the Fresno

1465
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:44,200
Nightcrawler which doesn't make
anybody any money but claiming

1466
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,900
that there's a sea creature in
there, you know, or whatever

1467
01:28:46,900 --> 01:28:50,400
monster, you know, and it
creates revenue and brings in

1468
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,300
tourism and stuff.
That's pretty legit.

1469
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,500
Yeah.
Anything else you guys want to

1470
01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:00,800
share your home kid?
Good.

1471
01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:06,300
Loch Ness is a wonder of the
Scottish Highlands and the

1472
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:09,600
monster that comes with it has
captivated people's imaginations

1473
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,400
for years.
Still to this day people report,

1474
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:16,800
sightings of the monster more
recently an alpaca was taking a

1475
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:21,400
swim and was mistaken as Nessie.
I think like all other Cryptids

1476
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,100
no one will be truly happy with
the legend of Nessie it without

1477
01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:28,300
some solid evidence of her
existence but before I share my

1478
01:29:28,300 --> 01:29:33,600
final thoughts I want to share
some honorable mentions The Loch

1479
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:40,900
Ness Muppet, May 21st of 1977,
Anthony doc shells came forward

1480
01:29:40,900 --> 01:29:44,600
with his picture of the monster.
It was, it was arguably one of

1481
01:29:44,608 --> 01:29:47,400
the most clear images ever
produced at the creature.

1482
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:52,100
However, it looked oddly like a
muppet given how it looked given

1483
01:29:52,100 --> 01:29:54,100
how it looked.
And the fact that Shields was a

1484
01:29:54,100 --> 01:29:58,400
magician and a psychic, not many
people took him or his picture

1485
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:02,200
very seriously.
Operation, Clean Sweep ended in

1486
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:06,200
2001 and aimed to isolate any
amount of potential DNA from the

1487
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,500
Loch.
Ness monster ultimately, they

1488
01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:12,000
were unsuccessful and only found
two dead, seals approximately,

1489
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:17,300
six feet long each in 2003.
A man named Lloyd, Scott

1490
01:30:17,300 --> 01:30:20,800
completed the firt world's first
underwater marathon in the Loch

1491
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:25,400
Ness, it took him 12 days and he
reported no sightings of the

1492
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,900
monster.
Two students claimed to have

1493
01:30:28,900 --> 01:30:31,300
found a tooth embedded in the
side of the deer.

1494
01:30:31,300 --> 01:30:36,500
In 2005 after close examination,
it was found that the so-called

1495
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,400
tooth was actually a piece of
antler from a barking deer.

1496
01:30:40,700 --> 01:30:44,100
And was placed as a publicity,
stunt for Stephen Alton's,

1497
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:49,000
horror novel The Law, Sonar
images of 2011.

1498
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:53,700
A boat captain named Marcus
Atkinson had sonar images of a

1499
01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:56,500
large object, that seemed to be
following his boat.

1500
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:58,500
It was later.
Determined that the images were

1501
01:30:58,500 --> 01:31:01,200
nothing more than a bloom of
l.j. or zooplankton.

1502
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,000
There were reports in 2016 that
the monster had been found.

1503
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:10,100
However it wasn't the monster
that everyone had hoped for what

1504
01:31:10,100 --> 01:31:15,100
was found was a long-lost prop
from the 1969, movie the private

1505
01:31:15,100 --> 01:31:19,100
life of Sherlock Holmes after
director Billy Wilder Dimension

1506
01:31:19,100 --> 01:31:22,600
demanded, the humps of the
model, be renewed removed the

1507
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:26,000
props, sank to the bottom of the
lock and and is still there to

1508
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:30,200
this day.
But with that gentleman and

1509
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,300
travelers, we come to the end of
Loch Ness monster.

1510
01:31:33,900 --> 01:31:36,500
Although I personally do not
think there is a plus CS or or

1511
01:31:36,500 --> 01:31:38,500
basically asaurus swimming in
the lake.

1512
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,000
There's definitely something
strange and unknown taking place

1513
01:31:42,300 --> 01:31:46,200
but beyond that I think they're,
I think this is a simple case of

1514
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,400
misidentification and that our
eyes were playing tricks on us.

1515
01:31:49,900 --> 01:31:52,800
However, I enjoy the idea that
there is a plus c assorted

1516
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,800
ghost, creating Havoc haunting
the Waters of Loch Ness.

1517
01:31:56,500 --> 01:32:00,500
Now, I can tell you, now I can't
tell you what exactly people are

1518
01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:04,100
seeing but I do know that
whatever it is, it will continue

1519
01:32:04,100 --> 01:32:09,300
to capture the world's attention
for years to come Passively.

1520
01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:17,000
Also the end Define ghost.
I don't have a definition for

1521
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:20,400
ghost but like in your own
words, a whole episode dude,

1522
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,500
because I mean if we're going
based off this idea that there's

1523
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:26,700
a ghost of it, then that means
that there would be ghosts of

1524
01:32:26,700 --> 01:32:32,200
like all the trillions of fish
that have died due to, you know,

1525
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,500
farming the Seas and all kinds
of stuff.

1526
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:36,900
I mean I'm just saying maybe
that's what was following.

1527
01:32:36,900 --> 01:32:42,000
This guy's both 2011 and that's
what he caught an image of

1528
01:32:43,100 --> 01:32:48,900
here's the thing, right?
Okay, I'm not a big ghost guy

1529
01:32:49,500 --> 01:32:51,400
but I'm surprised you said that
I was like you don't even

1530
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,900
believe that we have souls,
right?

1531
01:32:53,900 --> 01:32:58,200
So let's but here's the thing is
like we don't we don't

1532
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:03,800
understand the the checklist
that needs to be finished in

1533
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,800
order for our ghost to be
created.

1534
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,000
If, if that's what we believe a
ghost is right.

1535
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:13,600
If it's not a, some Something
From Another Dimension or

1536
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:20,200
parallel world, Old and it is
just, you know, a soul trapped

1537
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:24,500
here.
We don't know everything that

1538
01:33:24,500 --> 01:33:26,300
has to be done in order to keep
it here.

1539
01:33:26,300 --> 01:33:30,800
It may be something where the
checklist is rarely completed,

1540
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:33,900
okay?
And then that would be something

1541
01:33:33,900 --> 01:33:38,800
where we get an answer of.
Well, why isn't there a billion

1542
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:44,200
of them or like, why are we not,
you know, but as they say in the

1543
01:33:44,208 --> 01:33:47,800
Navy, To but yeah.
Are we not the but with

1544
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:53,500
everything, you know, all these
Spirits because well we don't

1545
01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:59,400
know the conditions, right?
We don't know what what it takes

1546
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:05,000
to actually create one of these.
Could it be a such a rare event

1547
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,000
that, something?
Sometimes it happens, right?

1548
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,100
Sometimes we get trapped or
something gets trapped, some

1549
01:34:10,100 --> 01:34:12,500
Spirit gets trapped.
Could be possibly, right?

1550
01:34:12,500 --> 01:34:16,400
And could the Loch Ness monster
be a Spirit of a place just or

1551
01:34:16,700 --> 01:34:21,500
no.
Probably, but fun to think about

1552
01:34:21,500 --> 01:34:25,000
though it is it is it is fun to
think about because there are a

1553
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:29,700
lot of experiences which not to
give a spoiler alert to

1554
01:34:29,700 --> 01:34:33,500
anything, but we may be diving a
little bit more into that in an

1555
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:38,300
upcoming episode here.
Or maybe we'll get some answers.

1556
01:34:38,300 --> 01:34:41,000
These are good questions that we
can have lined up for a

1557
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,500
possible, guess that might be
coming on Rose.

1558
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,400
So, let's get these hard
questions ready.

1559
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:50,800
And maybe I think the important
thing to remember because

1560
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,700
whereas, I don't want to
backtrack here.

1561
01:34:52,700 --> 01:34:55,800
I think the most important thing
to remember that horse.

1562
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,600
No, I'm saying is that this
place is plastered with

1563
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:04,800
surveillance.
Five people cameras, everything

1564
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:10,100
else, nothing is ever actually
seen again that any if I don't

1565
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:13,500
think anything is ever actually
seen by anybody?

1566
01:35:13,500 --> 01:35:17,500
I don't think there's a ghost in
the normal sense and anybody's

1567
01:35:17,500 --> 01:35:22,900
seeing it out in the water.
I think Loch Ness Monster is a

1568
01:35:22,907 --> 01:35:28,200
myth entirely.
I just think there's other weird

1569
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,300
stuff that could be found there
man you backtracked hard.

1570
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:37,800
I'm not cracking I'm saying that
he's like contemplating like

1571
01:35:37,900 --> 01:35:41,800
getting more kind of goals all
this other stuff like again with

1572
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,700
let's just remember nobody's
ever seen anything.

1573
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:48,100
Yeah.
So what people have seen stuff

1574
01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:50,200
it's just not what they think
they've seen.

1575
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,600
Okay, fair enough.
Yeah.

1576
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,000
All right.
Yeah.

1577
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,500
Like I mean you're seeing
something right?

1578
01:35:56,500 --> 01:35:58,500
Nobody's seen the Loch, Ness
Monster.

1579
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,700
I agree.
At least not in the sense of any

1580
01:36:03,700 --> 01:36:10,200
current time frame.
Are you sure Ken's are when you

1581
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:12,900
were talking about the person
who had that Muppet or whatever

1582
01:36:12,900 --> 01:36:15,400
that puppet, I couldn't recall,
which one you said?

1583
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:17,100
Are you sure that wasn't Todd
Standing?

1584
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:23,400
I'm almost 100% sure that might
have bent on standing, not bad.

1585
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,700
Name, never came up in my
research, not a clue.

1586
01:36:25,700 --> 01:36:29,600
This picture was very specific,
Anthony.

1587
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,800
Will's from 1977.
All right, just verifying

1588
01:36:32,900 --> 01:36:35,000
because that sounds like
something I would do.

1589
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:41,700
I mean it probably is but if you
look up the picture it's very

1590
01:36:41,700 --> 01:36:46,700
like it literally looks like
somebody has a muppet like sock

1591
01:36:46,700 --> 01:36:58,400
puppet water underneath for
those South Park fans.

1592
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:09,200
It's a it's Jennifer Lopez.
All right, go ahead.

1593
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,300
So that's it, guys.
We're good.

1594
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:15,900
I loved it.
I think that you killed it

1595
01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:18,600
Kinser.
I think that you, you definitely

1596
01:37:19,100 --> 01:37:23,800
open me up to more information
than I had cared to look at

1597
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:30,300
myself because pray prior to
this I had hope and now I don't

1598
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:34,500
and so you totally were
effective in that and like just

1599
01:37:34,500 --> 01:37:37,500
breaking it down the same way
that Jeff told me that all the

1600
01:37:37,500 --> 01:37:39,500
pictures of space or fake and
ruin my life.

1601
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:43,800
So I mean, The Wonder of
sentence, all alai.

1602
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:47,000
So, I'm glad I can ruin Loch
Ness for you too.

1603
01:37:47,300 --> 01:37:49,900
For sure agreed.
Yes.

1604
01:37:49,900 --> 01:37:53,200
I'm appreciative of the work
that you put into this because I

1605
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:57,400
myself would never have cared to
do the research on lock.

1606
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,100
Monster.
But you know it's like when you

1607
01:38:00,100 --> 01:38:02,100
watch a documentary for no
reason but then the and you're

1608
01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:03,300
like that was a good
documentary.

1609
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:05,400
Yeah that's how I feel right
now.

1610
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:08,600
So nice.
Jeremy.

1611
01:38:08,900 --> 01:38:12,500
I think you did a great job kid.
I think you're fantastic.

1612
01:38:12,700 --> 01:38:16,100
You're you're batting a thousand
you doing really good?

1613
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:23,200
Real quick.
The next presenter will be Jakob

1614
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:28,100
and yaakov, would you like to
announce the episode that I will

1615
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:32,900
not be here for no.
How good?

1616
01:38:32,900 --> 01:38:37,000
Now I don't always has his
mystery topics.

1617
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:41,100
Well, the likelihood that I'm
going to change my mind halfway

1618
01:38:41,100 --> 01:38:44,800
through prayer or halfway
through finishing up, my

1619
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:48,700
research on it and start in my
type up is probably like 90%.

1620
01:38:48,700 --> 01:38:51,500
So I could just wing it on, you
know.

1621
01:38:51,500 --> 01:38:54,300
I don't think that all of our
episodes have to be two and a

1622
01:38:54,308 --> 01:38:57,200
half hours long.
I like that Ken's our bus out an

1623
01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:59,600
hour-long episode and this one's
gonna be like an hour and 40

1624
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,200
minutes or something.
So like that.

1625
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:06,700
I think that I could probably
squeeze in a short Cryptid

1626
01:39:06,700 --> 01:39:08,200
episode.
We could chat about it for a

1627
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,600
little bit and we could throw
those in there.

1628
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:14,400
So who knows maybe ends up being
too long and I'm like, all

1629
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:16,400
right.
Well, I'm gonna shelf that one

1630
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:21,400
because the next week I'm not
going to be here for and I'll

1631
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:25,400
just do you know, something
smaller.

1632
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:29,900
So I'd rather not say because I
don't want to be disappointing

1633
01:39:29,900 --> 01:39:31,800
because the Navy does that to me
all the time though, I go

1634
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,000
deployment.
Four months and like 11 months,

1635
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,600
ha ha.
Psych, you know, I don't like

1636
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:40,100
doing that to people.
So, well, I mean, unless you

1637
01:39:40,100 --> 01:39:43,000
want to change recording dates,
I will not be here because I'll

1638
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:46,100
be having another child
flashing.

1639
01:39:46,100 --> 01:39:48,800
My wange recording dates.
You have to be here for it.

1640
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:53,800
We'll see.
But all right, kid.

1641
01:39:53,900 --> 01:39:55,900
Good job.
Thank you so much.

1642
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:59,100
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1643
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:02,200
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1644
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1646
01:40:11,300 --> 01:40:13,000
I always you know truth.
Do you want to do it?

1647
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,200
Good kid.
Yeah, I just I had an ultra

1648
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:18,100
written up though because I
assumed I was doing the outro.

1649
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:20,900
What exactly what you were just
saying, though.

1650
01:40:20,900 --> 01:40:21,700
Hands.
Are you gonna?

1651
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,100
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