The Van Meter Visitor

0:33 Welcome back to the infinite rabbit hole. That's it. Fire buddy. Happy New Year, welcome back to the Inn for the rabbit hole. Everyone I am your host Jeremy. Today we're going to dive into one of the biggest mysteries when it comes to cryptozoology here in the United States. What is it? You guys know do not meet her visitor, the Van Meter visitor. That's right. Jacob. Yeah, I'm smart. Yeah, you are so Jake. How you doing, man? I'm doing well. And on top of doing well, I'm wearing the world-famous most okay as podcasts in the world shirt because your quote from, I think communion part 2. Yeah.

1:21 This is the sport version. So it's kind of like that moisture wicking type stuff, so it's actually very comfortable. Oh nice. Yeah. I'm wearing my new beige into the Rabbit Hole shirt that I got from the new shop. I like it. It's nice. Yeah, like a color. All right kid. Hello. Hello. Welcome. Thank you. How are things up there? And Old Maple land. Oh, you know. They are they are, they are there, it's the time up here, you know, and coming from outside of the Matrix himself old happy New Year, Jeff, how you doing man?

2:12 I'm good, buddy. How are you? I'm good. Well, no, I'm not. I'm not good. I'm stressed out stressed out too. Hey, welcome to the club, pal. Hey, Happy Valentine's Day everybody. You just how I love all of you? Yeah, thanks buddy. My Valentine is away in Maryland for a five-week Detachment. So I guess you you all are my valentines. So happy Valentine's Day. I'll send you flowers especially you Jeff. Especially you he really likes from so many flowers. Yeah, into cars at Eva because I love you so much. Thanks.

2:56 Don't get funny before we get started. Jake, do you want to make an announcement? Nope. Okay, sure. Yeah, we'll wait till it's closer to the time. It's not a big deal. Okay, all right. Well, Jake's pregnant, that's it. Well, I can't wait to rub your Billy. Well, it's because all that frog water. Thanks. Alex Jones. Can we just, can we just stop for a second and just enjoy how much that evolved from? What it was is too.

3:38 All that frog water. Thanks Alex. I get a crack at a Jeff finally, for once in his life. From that one. No. All right, I'll say it. I am planning here in the next. I gave Jeremy two months to find a replacement co-host because I am planning on leaving the show. I've had been having a big struggle with balance lately. I can't bounce. Without a life where I am constantly working, I have zero time to myself and, you know, part of that is that I'm preparing to get out of the military.

4:23 So, I'm going through a plethora of medical appointments and Mental, Health appointments, which are all good things, but then I'm trying to learn my new job. That was offered to me, hearing Southern California so doing that. I officially have started pastoral training so that takes up an awful lot of Of time. And, you know, I just don't have time for the show. So I told Jeremy to find somebody now, whether well, let's preface that I'm not saying that it's not going to be like on a guest episode type basis or I say, hey, I've got this cool project or whatever Jeremy's been trying to get me to do, you know? So same thing I did over on Phil's podcast, where I broke down, Matthew 24 in the Bible and related to current times and events.

5:14 Jeremy wants me to do something like that. So yeah, calling them up and saying, hey, I've got something to throw out there on the show, but I told Jeremy that, you know, we've been building this thing for forever. And the first time I left was for this reason. I wanted to start going to Seminary and then things fell apart right there. But this is you know, the official it's actually happening but at the same time I don't want the podcast to just crash and burn. I don't want you know my spot just be vacant. So you know Jeremy find some some Buddy that can fill my spot that is passionate about the show that can, you know, stick to a schedule, can do things for the show like editing and that sort of stuff. And, you know, has the time frame for it because I had to be open and honest with Jeremy.

5:57 The last thing I want is to still be here. But, you know, providing half a half product, you know, less than desirable work. You know, the reason why I haven't busted out, that trolls episode really is because I just don't have time. To research and put together that massive of a project, you know, I just there's no time for it. And so instead of dragging this process out and being just a burden, I'd rather be replaced with someone that can, you know, take over that spot. So that, you know, Jeremy and Jeff and Kenza are getting a valuable member that they deserve to work with not someone that's constantly like, oh, I don't have time for this.

6:39 So I don't have time for this and stuff like that, because I mean that's the way it is right now. I just have Zero time for myself. I got a motorcycle and a hundred pieces in the garage. And you know, I've been wanting to fix the paint job for a month now, but I have zero time to get into the garage to do it because I'm spending, you know what 8, to 10 hours at work every single day, right? But then I'm doing, you know, editing the podcast, start, doing the merch stuff, you know, working on different music, stuff for it and everything like that trying to do research for it. And then on my weekends, I have pretty much Church the entire weekend, you know. Plus me and my wife actually helped plant a church on our military base.

7:24 So we have to do that on Sundays. I have pastoral training on Saturdays. I just don't have time for anything else, except for work, and it's causing a tremendous amount of strain in you know, how I operate. And the things that's expected of me especially on this show. So I'd rather just be replaced and just, you know, nip it in the bud and say, Me, this is what's been going on and I need you to start finding someone else, but that being said, give it a couple months, not saying, you know, like you would do any boss. You know, I consider Jeremy my boss because he's, you know, the pretty much the main head honcho of this this thing. But, you know, you would expect to tell anybody sauce.

8:05 Hey, I don't, you know, I'm planning on quitting in 30 days or whatever just so that they have the heads up and it's not just a huge shock unless you hate you. In which case. That's but that's not what the way I feel about Jeremy. So that's what's been going on lately. All right, so what does that mean? For the infrared whole that means that no longer will you have really cool. So that evil laugh. That's why the backgrounds Red Sea, hmm? Well, that means that will no longer have really cool intros, we will not have any more artwork done. So, get your stickers now or get in your request to Jake now, because when he goes, I don't know how to do that shit, not gonna do it.

8:54 So, what we have now is pretty much what we're going to have until I want to learn something new, which maybe soon, I don't know. That is a good point. If any of you listeners want something specific, I mean, we only have so many different options in the store but you want a specific design or have a request, hit us up. You know, go to our group, Facebook page, and DMS or put it up there and say or you know hit us up at infinite Rabbit Hole gmail.com and say, hey, I'd really like this. Like the only reason why we have coasters is because we had a specific A fan that said that he wanted coasters. So when we left printful, which didn't have that option available, I looked at red bubble.

9:37 On the first thing I saw was they made coasters. So I jumped right on it and I made a bunch of different designs with coasters on it. So we will provide those sorts of things, you know, especially while I'm here. And I can teach Jeremy how to do this stuff, but it's a lot. It's a lot of stuff to do, you know? It takes probably 20 hours for me to make a Good infinite Rabbit Hole design. So it's a lot of work. So basically all the really cool audio things that you guys hear, the music, the intros, and stuff like that, that's all going to go away. There will be some changes to the infinite Rabbit Hole. I will talk to you guys about these later, but I do have some sort of an idea of where, what direction I want to go to go in and I think it's in the long run is going to make the show a lot better.

10:30 So as of right now, we are looking for another co-host. So if you are interested, you got to let us know. Now I'm not making any decisions off the wing. We are going to have interview processes. Just don't know what they are yet, but you got to get in contact with me. If your infant rabbit hole at gmail.com, hit me up on DM Facebook, go over to incident rabbit hole.com. And hit the, the message messages or whatever button, something like that. And let me know that you are interested. I'm not going to make this decision quick and we may have some episodes where we just have three people or two, who knows?

11:19 Because Jeremy's gonna leave too. It's all kids no kid. This is yours. Good luck. Okay, don't ruin it. Can I fire myself now? All right, but that's enough of that. We've talked for quite a while, Jeff. You got anything that you want to say? It's my bedtime. No, we're just starting. So I do have an intro for this jacob. You're not getting tribal. I see. I see how it is. So this is probably going to be the last thing that Jake ever doesn't intro for. We'll see what.

11:59 Yep, yeah, probably In December of 1967, the Silver Bridge, Connecting Point, Pleasant West, Virginia, and glop Alice Ohio collapse into the icy waters of the Ohio, river and among other things, the mystery of the Mothman was thrown into the Limelight and became one of the darling poster children of cryptozoology and urban legends in 1909 just east of the land Mothman. The snallygaster came.

12:45 The scene in the mountains of Western Maryland. Stories Crawl Through the hollers and hills of the northern Appalachians of this flying phenomenon and its tendencies that pickup full grown men drain them of their blood before tossing, the empty bodies back to the Earth. And before that in January the same year just to the north in the desolate Pine Barrens. New Jersey. A double was loose and tore through the nightmares of Boom Doc pineys and city Folk like things got so bad that working School. Shut down from January 16th, 22nd due to the DraStic increase of devil encounters but before the mouth snellie and JD there was another notorious Terror of the night. One that began its rain six years before the likes of any other heavyweight Airborne Cryptid time to step back in time, travelers back to 1903 and mid-autumn to a town. Just a thousand Souls just outside of Des Moines Iowa. A visitor is about to make their presence known in Van Meter, welcome back to infinite rabbit.

14:12 Kind of stumble over my words there at the end, but whatever. So this isn't a Jersey Devil episode. This is not a Jersey Devil episode although, you know, you guys will learn pretty quick, but this is another aerial Cryptid. This is a very unique story, this is one that can be debated. This is not something that's just a story because there are holes in it but I mean this comes back from 1903. So Of course, there's going to be some holes there, right? Because by now, you know, the game of telephone probably change this Legend from what it really was to something drastically different But I'm gonna give you what I found. All right, holes, are we talking about here like big old gaping holes or little tiny holes?

14:59 I wouldn't say it's a gave her, but yeah, Caper fair enough. All right, any questions before we get started? No visitor of Van Meter in the book. The Van Meter visitor by Chad, Lewis, Noah, Voss and Kevin Lee Nelson. The men make mention of an article from 1903 titles. Des Moines new monster and quoted. The article is sitting quote to weird-looking Terror strike striking monsters are living in an abandoned Coal, Mine on the edge of town. The abandoned Coal Mine, the article was referring to was the old Van Meter Coal Mine which in 1879 was sold to the Chicago Coal Company. They used to provide the town of Tracy's Nat natural resources to entities, such as The Rock Island Railroad Company. This, along with the popular, clay Brick & Tile Factory, which use clay from nearby areas in the coal, mine itself made the small town of Tracy, a popular hub for labor by the turn of the 20th century.

16:04 All of this was thanks to a very important Pioneer by the name of Jay, our Van Meter in. A town eventually changed his name to to pay homage as many people made their way into the u.s. across the Midwest more and more people began settling in the newly named named town of Van Meter IA. Iowa as these newcomers settled, not only in Van Meter, but throughout the entire State Supernatural, beliefs and lure came with them, both before. And after the vizard terrified, the people of Van Meter stories of werewolves wild men water monsters ghosts and Self-illuminating. Illuminated, orbs were detailed by many who called this state home, although many of these stories, have some documentation to them, none of them have been reported in such a way that Rivals, the Van Meter visitor, a flying monster said to be living in the abandoned Coal Mine in town.

17:01 All right. Y'all ready to get visited? Yeah, man. Who gets soaked visitor? Just not probed. All right, go, you're going to wish you got broke. All right. Let's start diving into the first events. Yugi Griffith was walking home at 1 a.m. Tuesday, September 29th, 1903 after a long day at work at his tool and seed store and Van Meter IA Iowa as mr. If it's was approached as mr. Griffith approached the Mather and Greg's building in town. As part of his normal route home. His attention was drawn to the top of the building, where there stood a light he had never seen before. His first thoughts were that the building was being robbed and began to move closer to get a better view. But as he approached the building the light quickly, floated away from the Mather and Greg and was now stalled on top of another building across the street and as quick as it took to move to the other building, The light disappeared. Mr. Griffith didn't have to worry about robbers anymore, Griffin.

18:09 This is walk home and fell asleep. The next morning, he who was a very respected member of the Town who held a seat on the Village Council and belong to very respected clubs began telling all that would listen about his encounter the night, prior with a mysterious light. A few newspapers picked up on the story and would publish the next day it report of Griffiths Griffiths account. But little was made of it in a public manner, the rest of the first or second day dr. Alcott went to sleep, the night of the 29th. The very next day in a small room, behind the office, in which he in his practice and doze off to the sound of light rain.

18:51 Just shy of 1 a.m. Wednesday morning. He was awoken by an extremely bright light shining. In his face, the pudgy little man jumped up out of bed and grabbed his gun and ran outside to confront those that were torturing his sleep as dr. Alcott turned the corner outside of his doctors office. He came face-to-face with a creature that he could never, he could have never created in his nightmares. A half man, half animal as Alcott later described stood in front of him with large bat-like wings and a blunt horn coming out of the middle of his forehead. But the light now, the light was intense and was originating out from the small protrusion on his face and dr. Alcott raised his revolver and fired. Five shots into the creature, which seemed to not affect it in the slightest.

19:37 So he turned tail and ran back into his office. Lock the doors and windows, and hunkered in until Daybreak as the sun rose on, whip on Wednesday. September 30th 1903 and Van Meter IA. Iowa dr. Alcott began telling his story to a select few men. And before long, the story had been the Talk of the Town and nobody looked at the two encounters is being caused by the same entity yet. In the very early morning hours. The next day. Clarence done, was on his way to the bank that he worked at as a teller. And would one day manage, he was one of the only or one of a very few people in the town that saw the two stories, a strange lights being possibly connected and it was his concern that there were robbers about.

20:25 So we headed to the bank to guard it for the night, shotgun hand around 1 a.m. mr. Dunn, finally arrived and began his Long night Garden to source of income that kept his family live, a strange gurgling sound arose, from a rose him from his chair before an intense light illuminated him from the window at the front of the bank, the light swept around the room and snap back to Clarence. As he was. Raising a shotgun, the light settled on him. Once again, as he pulled the trigger shattering the glass in the creature was gone once again, according to mr. Dunn, he shot it perfectly and there was no way that he missed. In the Morning Light, the only evidence that anything was there was shattered glass outside of the bank, and a few three toe tracks that thankfully mr. Dunn casted, in plaster that night, oh V white was asleep above the Fisher and white hardware and furniture store that he co-owned when he was shocked awake by an intense sound right outside of his second story. Quarters on Main Street, he grabbed his gun as he had heard the rumors around town.

21:33 Of a creature on the loose and went to his window to see what was making the incredible sound as he opened the window, the sound stopped mr. White look through the drizzling, the drizzle falling on the street below him as he began to look around. He noticed a dark figure standing on the cross section of the telephone pole across the street and immediately mr. White believe, he knew that the culprit was perched at a height that was unbelievable for something. So big to be at 0 V, white took aim and fired around directly. Lee at the creature he shot that he described as an ordinary good shot but the creature didn't fall instead. It turned around and Shine the most incredible light directly at mr.

22:14 White and whatever it was seemed to emit a smell that was so strong that white reported that it confused him and he lost track of what was happening. The same shot rang out throughout town and awakens his neighbor. Sydney, gray mr. Our Sydney Greg sorry. Mr. Greg, ran to his front door. Which faced out to to Main Street and was shocked. At the sight of a very large creature with long Wings, making its way down the telephone pole in a way that reminded him of a parrot to sending a poll in its cage. The creature held its body horizontal to the ground and climbed down one foot. After the other while using its large beak to make a constant 3 points of contact mr. Greg described it as almost 8 feet tall with a very large beak and a light as bright as Electric. And emanating from its forehead, both men, described an incredible stench after it began moving from its perch Sydney. Greg heard the loud sound of the oncoming train that brought the Daily Mail and as if the creature, I've never heard a sound like that before, it dropped low to the ground as if startled by the Rivalry noise.

23:24 Mr. Greg only 15 feet away from the creature watched, as it took large leaps before dropping to all fours and running until it eventually took flight towards the Abandoned coal mining town. That was the last time. Anyone saw the creature that night? All right guys. So what you guys think about the first three days? Four days, four days back back-to-back events. The first thing I think of is the Thunderbird or a very large bat. Does he know that way? Either way the light, I believe that the light shining into their eyes, would cause a massive reflection if their eyes are big enough, so, The way that these these encounters read.

24:15 And one of The Tell-Tale signs of the Van Meter visitor, is as self-illuminating light where the light comes from the creature itself. That's just, you know, we've discussed this before. I don't think there is a single animal on the face of the Earth that we know of, I mean, let's preface this. That we know of that has light that actually shines from its eyes. So it doesn't come from size. Comes from a spot on his forehead. That's not true. Either, there are bioluminescent animals and like the anglerfish, there's things. Maybe they don't shine a light like a flashlight or like a laser beam, but does it mean?

24:56 Couldn't happen if you had. I could see that being biologically possible is what I'm saying. What I'm getting at. I, I tackle this with an idea. I have later on, we'll get back into that in a minute because I know that like, when you hear this story of the Van Meter visitor, that's the first thing that pops in your head is is that damn light. If if that light wasn't there this could be a number of things like Jake was saying right. One thing I don't go into is Thunderbird. I just I For one. Don't think it's a Thunderbird whatsoever but there are a lot of other options that it could possibly be. It was just that idea that going down the pole like that. I could totally picture at me like that sounds like a big bird.

25:38 Yeah. But no Jeff I meant like from its eyeballs because that's always what we hear is that their eyes were glowing because eyes are made to take in light not projected to you're not a bioluminescence like of course we see in Plants we see in some animals like generally fish, deep underwater. And stuff like that, where there is no light, they create bioluminescence but it was the eyes. I was referring to but the light on top of the head though. I don't know. I'm digging this story though, so far, it is a good story. Van Meter, visitors, classic iconic, special second part. I kind of feel like in 1903 in Des Moines, Iowa, there's probably some bullshit story. There might be, there might be a little town, the whole town to give another thing.

26:25 Is it starts with one, it starts with one right guys, eating bar, whatever, right? And he's like, yeah, man. And then somebody here is it and like, there's nothing going on in Des Moines Iowa. Now in 20 13 was happening there. So of course, like the next guy is going to want to be in on it somehow like what happened to me too man. Yeah when I got a cast of the foot to nude. Yeah the okay it pulled down my pants and showed me. What was what? Yeah, tasted gray. That's what I latched onto is the casting. I want to see the casting of this foot. So let's talk.

27:05 Up this cast because it no longer exists. Ah, how appropriate, how appropriate? Okay, one thing we could talk about this because I actually didn't mention this throughout my presentation here which is pretty critical know, there's two things that are wrong with the cast from 1903 in Van Meter, Iowa, one the Caster that the cast The casting plaster that they used was It was kind of gooey, it wasn't solidified, like it is now like we add salt to ours. Now, never used to do that.

27:47 So it became very very brittle and it wasn't something that was meant to stay as a cast for a very long time that just didn't last. Also a few years later at the want to say it was by 1910. Almost the entire town burned down. Hmm. So if this cat's did exist and was in that town, there's a good possibility that even if it was real that it's that it wouldn't be around today where they're at least photographs taken of it in 1903. I don't know if the camera exist tried. I tried Googling it. All I got was artist, Renditions of what the Cryptid is supposed to look like no actual foot. Castings are pictures of said casting, right? And I'm glad you brought that up because when I put this video on YouTube, I am going to plaster it with some of these artists Renditions of this thing.

28:48 I think the they're awesome. It's this this creature so intense. And like if you look at some of these, some of these pictures, Jake I think specially you, because you spent a lot of time playing ARCA me, you're going to get some ideas of what this Looks like an Argent Avis. No, no it actually looks like a quetzel or a Pteranodon so so you might be talking about the other version of the Thunderbird which is more like there's a big flying reptile out there right now that, you know, if you if you look at or if you listen to the description that comes off of this thing bat-like Wings stands out. Yeah.

29:30 Right. And that reminds me of a Pteranodon, something from that family. But I get into that too, so I don't want to dive too much into that. You guys read move on and could have they been nighttime Hunters with bioluminescence? I say that in my right, Jeff. I have a question about this town burning down. Do you go into that? I don't know. Because that, that was a separate incident, then the Van Meter visitor completely. So I don't talk about it. Although, the book that I did read, which I stated the title, is Van Meter visitor by three different people live. Well, it's just interesting because it's around the same time that all the world's fairs were being brought around and burned down and all of history was being erased. So I wonder if that town was burned down on purpose to a Some shit that might have actually been going down, maybe good possibility.

30:29 That is interesting that you said that but the book is by Louis faucet Nelson. It's a great book. I actually from the same, the same authors did the windigo book that I did the windigo episodes, awful kid. Cool. You guys ready? And we'll just too just to answer your question. Yes, photography was around in 1901 that giant mound of Buffalo skulls and stuff where people are standing in front of it, that was taken in 1880. Although it would have been very expensive. Yeah, so far later. Yeah. Yeah, let me let me pay a quick thousand dollars to have this picture taken shit this cast.

31:17 Alright? Jeff you ready? Okay, good Jeff left, everybody just walks away. That's what he does. All right, he's gonna miss him, the story, I'm not catching him up. Alright, next bit the town's folks Last Stand. The town woke up to Terror as yet. Another sighting of the creature was made last night and not just any sighting Sydney. Greg was 15 away. 15 feet away from it and had a perfect view of the thing while mr. White shot. It again, before it admitted a terrible odor and ran off towards the coal. Mine people were now connecting the three events that all happened and I say three, it's for I do apologize for events that all happened in for consecutive nights.

32:04 You had the light on top of the building, you had the Doctor Who came around his building and fired five shots into it. You have the bank teller who shot it through a window with a shotgun and then you have mr. White, and mr. Gregg's story where it came down telephone pole. And like the, the scariest fucking way that anything, I'm not a fucking telephone pole, I'd be like, nah, I'm good. I'm going to go back to bed. People were now connecting the four events that all happened in four consecutive Nights by for diff are five different important men in the town.

32:45 This thing was big, it was loud. It flew and somehow it was able to shine in an incredible light which gave it the upper hand in the nighttime. When it had visited Van Meter, a local high school teacher reported as only named Professor. Martin said that the creature was most likely and to divide until Aunt diluvian and to leuven, which means from room. Yeah, that's why I said, which means from a time before the great flood, but nobody knew for sure exactly what it was and why it was here the evening of Friday October. Second was a long one, everybody was on alert due to reports and men, who worked at the factory and brick plant in the same area.

33:31 Reported sounds coming from deep within the shafts one description to sounds. Whereas quote, though Satan and a regiment of imps were coming forth for a battle JL Platt. Jr. Was the plant manager at this Factory and was a very seasoned worker of both the mind and the brickworks, The Sounds emanating from the hollows of the voids that were the old. Ended mine shaft, just 600 feet away from the building. He was now in charge of were terrifying to all the men who were who were working that night, mr. Platt group, curious and approached the entrance to the mine and was shocked to witness the winged monstrosity along with a slightly smaller, one as well. He described both creatures as having the bright light, that others had reported and came extremely close to them as they took flight directly over his position. All of the men working that night at at various distances between mr.

34:26 Platts position and the plant only 600 feet away, saw them as they flew off into the darkness of night. The reports didn't wait until morning the men knew what they had to do. So they went back to town and gather all the men and their firearms on the way out. All of lights were turned on in town to provide some sort of comfort and protection for the younger men children and women of Van Meter. If those things came back to the mines tonight, they will be met by A Chorus of shots fired by Man in town. The night was not as exciting as everyone had hoped the men waited until Daybreak for the creature. And the last moments of daylight the two huge flying Terrors were spotted heading back to the mouth of the Mind. The entire mob of men with their firearms took aim and fired. And volley, that was heard by and frightened those in town. As the creatures flew closer.

35:19 Another horrific smell permeated the area and many men could not take the smell and quit firing, but it made no difference because even with the dozens or hundreds of shots fired, the creatures flew lazily by the men guarding the mouth of the mine as if they weren't even there a new Terror struck them all. Not, everyone was convinced that these creatures even existed, and if they did, the reported shots would have had to have been off and not actually hit the creature, but there was no questioning longer. They were here. And bullets did absolutely nothing to them. That was the last reported sighting of the mysterious large flying monster with a natural Spotlight on its forehead.

36:02 All of this information originally came from articles published by the Des Moines, Daily News and was brilliantly. Recaptured in the Van Meter visitor, a book by Chad, Lewis, Noah Voss. And Kevin Lee Nelson, many Mysteries. Still exists about the origins and the eventual end of this mysterious monster. Some say that the townspeople boarded up, the old mine shaft and blocked them in, until they starve and died. Their bones eternally lost time and the concoction of fumes produced by such mind. Some say that the creatures flew out and away after the onslaught, by the Myriad of bullets, fired at them. During that Last Stand by the men of Van Meter, or maybe they're still out there.

36:49 All right, so, that's it. That is everything. The rest of the episode is all dissection, okay, we're going to dive into possibilities and we're going to go way down the rabbit hole just so unlike what Jeff will tell you that dinosaurs never existed. Now, I'm just teasing but truthfully we don't know because we only have bones, right? What These animals because I mean, I looked up the images to they look exactly like pteranodons. But of course, that's artist. Renditions going off of something, the we already believe to know existed. Right. But we don't know what their skin makeup was. We don't know if they had some sort of a scent gland where they could put off this disgusting odor, right? We don't know if they had, I don't know, very thick skin, right?

37:47 Like you got a match. Legend. There's no, they're probably not be any real protection on them. Granted it have to be light to fly around unless their bones were very dense but I don't think that's the case. But that we don't know any of that stuff. We don't know if they created bioluminescence, we don't know. Even what color they were? You know, some people even say oh well the dinosaurs had feathers and turns out that was a lie too because you know, that that original fossil is a fake but it's just So much stuff. We don't know about the dinosaurs because we only thing we have is their bones and even the question remains for some of them being so big. How did you know their bones? Take the weight of them as you know, full-grown adults? How do they mate?

38:35 Like that? The best explanation I've gotten for that one. Is that they bred when they were young, once they got too big I mean they couldn't possibly lift themselves up in order to breed with each other even like lizards do so. You know, they probably did that as As you know, as smaller younger dinosaurs. But there's so many things that is just Unknown about them. So if in fact, there were pteranodons that maybe still inhabit the Earth and to some degree or another in some places, you know, which could they have a spotlight shine out of their foreheads? Sure, why not? Yeah, because we have no clue, you know? They could be purple with pink spots. We have no idea. Probably not. But you know, it's just like, could they be sky-blue?

39:16 I don't know. Right. And so it's just like So, we different things. I am not above thinking that to a degree, you know, some of these dinosaurs, you know, was still exist around the earth. You know, in very small populations or maybe in large populations, but in very remote areas where maybe the tribes people that live there. The you know, just the population itself doesn't want to expose that these things happen because what's going to happen all the world scientists are going to show up there at their Doorstep. So, you know, I think that this is a very interesting story and I'm not quick to say this is all baloney.

39:58 Nice, anybody else? I don't know, bro. So is there anybody is there any documentation of interviews from these people who had these sightings or is this all just based off of the newspaper articles in the time, just newspaper overdose of the tournament. That's it. This was a very, very small area. This was not a very big area, the whole, that whole that whole section, the country was underdeveloped, it was Blue Collar as Blue Collar get. It's like if you lived in the town, Own you worked in the mine. It was a simple as that. Here's the problem is like that geographical location in my mind is hard for creatures like that to have existed, unknown going back, thousands of years. All right.

40:47 If they've somehow survived, you know, like I've been Daiwa. There's not a whole lot of places to hide a lot of corn but you believe in the whole earth and their miners, could they have cracked open a hole in these things. Escape from It. Yes, that's that. Ran through my mind to that. I mean, that's always a theory, right? Every episode, no matter what we're talking about. It's always comes down to like, well, maybe in the hollow Earth, or maybe in the ocean, I'm sure some connection there. So, yeah, but also we're in the middle of bumfuck nowhere with in the middle of like an era when there's not shit going on, right?

41:27 So, So let me spit out. Another little fact that I did not include here. One thing is that they did not publicize this like the town. Like if you go to any other Cryptid Town, Mothman, Loveland Frogman, snallygaster Jersey Devil. You have festivals, man. Every year annual festivals, The first Annual Festival of this was like five years ago, they had to be convinced an outsider had to come and convince them to do something for their monster. Like these people just they didn't they didn't Market it.

42:08 I mean, I'm not saying it was done for that reason. I mean it very well could have just been a simple as like somebody working at the newspaper was like, hey this is a fun story. Yeah. Right. We publish one and then next thing, you know the guy at the bar is like, I seen it. Right. What motherfucker man he can't about now. I will say I will say just to kind of give you a little bit of warm heart here, right? This book does reference the almanacs? I'm not the only next the know I was tracking and then you just go fucking. What's the thing?

42:49 We population survey, the thing, you know, Census. They seized what an idiot. Oh my the the census from those times these people existed. So these people lived in Van Meter, right? So how would a somebody from Des Moines even know all of these people that lived in Van Meter? I mean that's less of a stretch than yo some you know, better than that law from the elm neck, right?

43:35 Yeah. Come on the fence, dude. I'm not saying this is just, there's a lot of room for me to be like, you know what, man? They probably made this shit up. I agree. And that's one of the biggest things with the Van Meter visitor, is, you know, a lot of this stuff. There's like a lot of things that make sense here. Like, when you talk about the biology of this creature, the only thing that doesn't work is the fucking light on its head. That's the only thing that doesn't work, I'll get it. We're going to dive into some more stuff here. I'm going to dive into some of the possibilities of what this thing could be some more of the background of town and whatnot. And I think we're going to open your minds up a little bit. Maybe it's just one and they have that big old horn that comes out of the top of their head to some degree and it just got a Got a lantern from the cave stuck on its head. And so I was looking at people and I had this later like the light of death that's just for you while. It's just trying to ask for some help, get this thing off my head and I live in the hallway.

44:44 That's what my skin looks like mold. Yeah. All right guys, let's let's move along. So what was it in the book by Lewis Voss and Nelson. More Voss takes the lead in chapter 7 and which he outlines a list, he compiled a possible other sightings of the creature through the process. He eliminates known and unknown creatures that share less than three similarities with the Van Meter visitor, some of these similarities are physical such as the huge size giant bat-like wings or a light self-illuminated from its body. Some were mannerisms such as Using its beak to descend off a tree, like structure fly at times between midnight and Daybreak and some other of these characteristics were based off of non physical similarities such as the, disgusting odor, or the preference for choosing Old Mines.

45:37 It's home vas begins. His list by detailing the story of the lake Lisbeth area sighting that described a flying alligator with six legs and like Elizabeth California near the early 1800s. He then goes into outlining the snallygaster from Maryland and which he did an entire unless we did an entire episode covering said creature. Oldest Ally was very large, had a horrific sound lived in caves and mines and the Appalachian areas of Maryland and neighboring states as well. As mostly sighted at night, could these be different descriptions of the same species of creature? After the snallygaster Voss, then dives into the Jersey Devil.

46:19 And if you haven't heard our coverage a JD yet, I'm gonna feel personally attacked as the two-part episode. Is one of my absolute favorites I've ever done for the show, but the last comparison. No, Voss uses is one that I wish there was more context on because I love the legend. The Stansbury Island creature Stansbury island is the second largest island in Utah's. Great Salt Lake slightly over a thousand miles away and only about three weeks earlier than the incident in Van Meter, the Stansbury Island creature, Was spotted and studied by Martin Gilbert and John Berry for three days. They described it as half bird and half reptile. The two Hunters said it had the head of an alligator, the wings of a bat covered in scales and had fiercely glowing eyes. The men witnessed, the creature taking full grown horses into a nearby cave as they listened to the screams of death as it devoured its victims.

47:16 This, of course, is very interesting is a very interesting event when it comes. The time frame and the distance away from Van Meter IA. Iowa, both of which I was not fully aware of before reading, Louis fossum belson's book. Another thing that may seem in important to some is that this island is only a three-hour drive to Skinwalker Ranch. Personally, I find this very interesting as this place has been known for portals to other dimensions. Then you take physical descriptions and habits such as choosing to live in a cave which when compared to a mine, it is Is easy to see the similarities out of the four options Voss lays out in this book. I think this is the most probable to have been have been another creature with a famous visitor of Van Meter. And another location now, to move on to other possibilities that were not pointed out in this book. There are a few options that come to mind immediately in my opinion, those being Mothman and a Pteranodon of some sorts. Let's start with Mothman.

48:17 Now, this one might might be a stretch that I admit, but Not looking at it, even briefly is not good for a research or studies. When we take voss's comparative, comparative views into consideration, Mothman has large Wings half man, half creature self-illuminating, eyes, and is commonly believed to have made the famous TNT site is home. Now, the eyes of Mothman are said to be red, but does that mean that every creature? Like the Van Meter visitor, has to have a white light. There are tons of species here on Earth that come in different colors shapes and Sizes, two others in their family. Could this not apply to these creatures as well? Eylem, it seems like a stretch, but I would check, I wouldn't check Mothman off the list of preliminary with the preliminary information.

49:05 Sorry guys, I can't read today. The next is the trend on but let's not get caught up directly to the Pteranodon itself. There are met, there were many different flying reptiles in the age of the dinos but specifically, I would like to look at the order of reptiles known as terrorists. Korea among these extinct. Flying reptiles are the plenty of subclasses of pteranodons quetzals. Die morphs intro pios that would fit the description of the Van Meter visitor to a tee. If it were not for the self-illuminating light coming out of its forehead, long beaks, extreme bulk, when referencing to us blunt horns on their forearms known as crests, our foreheads known as Crest vocals thought to And like a loud scream and The Reptilian body, all have me thinking. What if these these flying reptiles had self-illuminating lights coming out of their forehead? Could we really eliminate that as a possibility? Lastly, let's dive into the old forgotten, run down, coal mine. That was the Hub of two decades prior to the visitors. Visit I know it is a little bit science fiction e. But what if a creature long lost to the underground's of the earth were trapped away underground in large Caverns, one way it would adapt for survival, would be to create a form of bioluminescence, just like the life forms at the bottom of the deepest darkest parts of the ocean. What if a population of pteranodon work were to be caught underground for centuries. Would they not smell like the

50:36 sulfur that is found around and in natural deposits of coal? Yes it's a bit science fiction e as I said but can we really count it out? Now we can't. I think that's my favorite. Favorite theory of Mall. What the last one. Yeah I'm driving with that one. The most. Yeah I just seems like the most entertaining and coolest one of me. Yeah, I like that. Well. Jeff, you look like you're thinking. You stink. Yeah. Sorry thinking listen and multitasking Rosen.

51:19 I don't know man. The only thing really It seems like the the bioluminescent thing is like the thing. That's The most impossible but it's really not. I guess, the more I think about it. I just depends on how strong right bioluminescence in creatures that are not in the deepest. Parts of the ocean are not that bright, you know, and it's mostly used as a warning, not necessarily used for offensive thing, more defensive thing. Well, my, I'm kind of thinking that but also like, what, Jake brought up, right? If it's in a mind, they could Accidentally opened up into a cavern system, right? That's just been cut off from the surface forever, you know. So like it's possible that something existed down there and it has some form of bioluminescence that we're just not aware of, you know, and it's some weird reptile or, you know, mammal creature or something, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's possible.

52:23 It's possible. Still think it's probably bullshit. Yeah. I I agree actually, but I think, you know to what Jeremy said. You know, we see these fish at the bottom of the ocean and stuff and the, the bioluminescence isn't You know, amazingly strong. But in an area where there's absolutely no light it's like a it's like a star sticker on a young kid ceiling where it, you know, it glows in the dark and stuff like that. If you turn on the lights, it's still glowing. It just not very you can't really even see it until you completely shut out all the lights and then you could put picking out a room, it's the brightest thing, right? Obviously, but I mean, maybe that there's a reason why this thing Was seen at night and it was noticed that it had this big glowing spot on its head.

53:19 Maybe it was for you know, defensive situations or something like that, not necessarily so that it could see. And that would also make sense why you know the maybe I just kind of zoned out but I think Jeremy you said that all the incidents happened at night. Yes. So it's nocturnal because that's what it's used to. Maybe the light in the daytime is too bright. Right for it. So it acts like most animals that lives living caves right, where it comes out at night, specifically bats, right? In this circumstance. But yeah, I mean, especially in 1900 1910 1903 and all those 1900's.

54:04 It's not like they had, you know, City Lights. Like we do. We have all kinds of what's it called when you're trying to look at the stars and it's all, you know, deafened by how bright it is, like the ocean, the light pollution, thank you. So, you know, it would be more or less. The sun's going down, it's time to go to bed, you know. Maybe we have a couple lights on in the house or something like that, I don't really know when the popularity of electricity kind of came full swing to wear smaller towns like that would have had electricity. But yeah, I mean but I'm sure it was expensive and all kinds of stuff so I mean I don't know it's lined up for me man. It's not still not striking a huge blow to Nothing that I stand behind and even still the the topic of Hollow Earth.

54:56 You know what? I just found out recently which I probably should have known already during the biblical fret flood. Where did the water come from? Check Russian was on the ground. That's it. It came from underground. The Earth cracked open in the flood waters. Came from underground. It was raining for 40 days but the W floodwaters came from underground. So then what populated those Hollow voids or is there more to that? And it was just like you know, the rivers and lakes and oceans underground. So even still I think that this is awesome. The cool topic, you know, because this is most of the As we talked about with the exception, like Bigfoot, I'm just like, this is ridiculous.

55:39 This is crap. You know, all the sort of stuff. This one's the most likely in my mind, that it could be a thing, especially since it's not a little bit of this, and a little bit of that, it's not the Jersey Devil where it's like, multiple things combine to one. It's not the Mothman. It's not all these sorts of things. It in my mind has a pretty good description of it. And you know, maybe the description was Soph. It's not a beam of light. It was just a spot of light but even still. That would have been incredibly weird even today to see an animal that would have something like that. You know, some form of bioluminescence of it was glowing or projecting light.

56:19 You know, you might say it was the same thing because I guess glowing could be projecting light, but maybe not spotlight. All right, I think we're good. I was just gonna say there's over a thousand caves in Iowa apparently to. So, yeah, I mean it was known for its coal mining, man, I'm digging the hollow Earth idea to I went up again. Like there's I think we've mentioned it on the show before Jeff brought it up. There's right Stingrays and whatnot that come from these underground. Oceans and through different caverns and what not I I Surprised if there's something in a cave, too.

57:02 We pretty cool. So, here goes the question. Do we want to make this a long episode or do we want to make it too? We want to make it too because we're going to record them both tonight then. Whoa. Hold on, bro. I got, I got three pages left. We can make this a long long episode. Then. All right, here we go. Ready? Yeah, I don't want to talk, okay. All right, all right, all right, rebuttals on October 5th, 1903. And article is ran by the Des Moines. Daily News, the same paper that ran the articles by h.h. Phillips, covering the events in fan m in his new article that came out a day later than Phillips last article and Anonymous freelance writer. Submitted a rebuttal piece of newspaper. In this short writing the author describes how Phillips over-exaggerated the claims of what was happening in Van Meter. The author did however, admit that there were lights and strange noises scaring the crap out. Out of people and mr.

58:03 Dunn did shoot the window out of the bank after being startled while on guard. But all these issues were being caused by some sort of robber or prankster. Now, let's look at this for a minute. I would assume that whoever wrote, this was from Van Meter that I do believe, but to think this was all done by a person or group of people who planned on committing nefarious, acts might be a stretch. If this was someone out to take advantage of the town, then they sure got shot at a lot. This seems to be true as the mysterious author. Did mention the use of guns you would think that after the first few, they would get the hint when you take this into consideration and then add that mitt that when mr.

58:47 Dunn fired, his shotgun Point Blank out the window at a figure shining a light atom and how there was no signs of injury to be. And the next day I start to feel less convinced. I mean, have you ever seen a human bleed? We bleed a lot and it doesn't take much. You would think that anyone on the other side of that window pane that just got blasted by a shotgun would have a minimum been cut by glass. The signs of blood droplets would be noticeable a day later. Another article was published but this time the Des Moines daily Capital stating again that this was a hoax brought on by Phillips. Now, a To reading this article, I would say this is more an article from The View Point outside of Van Meter than that is writing to dismiss what they feel is crazy and unbelievable nonsense, the opinion by many is that these two articles are from the same author, but I honestly disagree. The writing style is different.

59:46 The mannerisms used very and the Viewpoint certainly does not seem like it came from someone inside Ground Zero. Personally, I do not put a lot of weight. Into these articles you may but I don't eyewitness people everyday unable to see the truth. Even if it's right in front of their eyes. The first article could have been written by a person from Van Meter that stayed in their house during these three days or someone who was a Hermit, believe it or not, this happens, some people just don't talk to other people and miss out on news from the community. Both, a good thing and a Bad Thing depending on what specifically is being talked about. Then some people remain oblivious to everything going on. All right, guys, what do you guys think about the two?

1:00:27 Kohl's. I'm not a fan. It sounds like just not how I was going to say. Hate speech. It doesn't sound like hate speech. It sounds like just hating on the story. Yeah. Just like someone who just be like this is dumb. This didn't happen. You know, people do that shit too. And like I read the articles, the book has the Articles and I didn't want to read the whole oracle's Jeff would freaking die of exhaustion by the time I'm done with them so summarizing it. The first one sounds like it came from somebody in Van Meter like they were able to talk about certain things, certain events and go a little bit more into detail about those events none of which is like really took away from the fact that this could be a creature. I think.

1:01:21 That this was a situation where that person was just used to having people come into town, that were little shady and, you know, bank robberies, and the old Wild Wild West was probably still thing back there in 1903. So I think that's just, you know, somebody was comfortable with the idea of this, not being some crazy creepy monster. And then the other article was just fucking useless. It was absolutely stupid. It was definitely not somebody from Van Meter. So, basically, the first one could have been, you know, someone trying to put the story to bed so that people would stop coming over and trying to investigate themselves. That's true to that. Could, that could be there could have been a good chunk of people that want to go over there with guns one to kill themselves monster.

1:02:06 I thought it was just the guy trying to write the story away and Explain it somehow. Hmm. I like I like Jake's point of view. I didn't think of that that could definitely have been the reason. What do you think? Jeff, you hate this story. Don't, you know, I hate the story. It's just like this part. The killer, it looks like it's like, let's write an article. Let's let's do a podcast about an article that's about an article. Okay, I get it, I get it. What would you call these Cryptids? The other day Pokemon. Like you're doing another Pokemon episode. I'll just sit out you fucker.

1:02:48 You'd rather do an episode on a paper. Reporting on a research paper that someone did that, we have no idea who it was. Yeah, yeah. A big deal. Same stuff but different. Same same but different? Yeah, same same, but different I'm just saying we I'm sure about a thousand articles. Yeah. All right, let's move on. Let's get Jeff the bed. He's getting cranky. I love you, Jeff. You're good people for Jeffrey. All right, misidentification of known animals.

1:03:28 The first thing that comes to mind is a person who believes in. Occam's razor is that this was a simple case in this identification. You better? Hold on, it's not that easy. What do we know about this creature? That we haven't already gone over? How about the way it moves? If we look at two moot moments in these encounters, with the visitor, we see two very specific forms of motion the way it came down. The telephone pole, like a parrot, and a way it ran on all fours before flying away. Let's look at the former first. There is nothing. The size reported for the creature from Van Meter in the present world that uses its mouth to climb down a pole or tree or anything the parent does. But they dwarf this Beast, incredibly and I would find it very hard for anyone to misidentifying 8 to 12-inch parrot with an 8-foot Van Meter visitor. So let's look at the letter the the way it moved. Now only one person saw this thing. Take off after getting down from the pole and that was Sidney Greg.

1:04:30 Now, remember mr. White sauce on the pole, but after the smell arrived, he was battling other issues. Couldn't focus but let's first assume that mr. Greg was right and it did run on all fours. My first question would be worthy arms attached through Wing like that of a bat or were these separate appendages completely independent of ways. Animals with wings and four appendages, do not exist. That we know of the only way they do is in very small flying lizards, which don't fly but rather Glide and in the world of dragons and Griffin's. So Ethically, I don't think that would be the case. So, let's look at animals that have their arms and wings combined, like, birds, and bats. Then, let's see who runs on all fours, and we are left with bats.

1:05:18 Birds just don't use their wings as a tool for ground movement. But is there a bat that can fit into the other characteristics of the Van Meter visitor? Know, there just isn't, they are either too small furry, no light Illuminating from their head and they don't use their mouths as a way to get down telephone poles. So, my answer to this question, could this be a case of misidentification of a known animal is simply just know My only argument is there are bats with wingspans up to six feet and there could have been a maybe a bigger bat at that time. So do you know the rule of winged creature? You know, the rules. So if this thing was standing eight feet tall like mr. Greg was saying that it stood its, its wing size could have easily been 30 feet?

1:06:08 Oh yeah, that that I understand. Excuse me. Sorry, that I understand. And but like I'm just saying maybe it was a bat species. That was around, then that isn't around now that we didn't know about maybe that was just doing some weird shit on the telephone pole, okay. It did say that this was, you know, the high school teacher did say that this was probably an animal that was from before there was pre-flood. And you know as far as we know there was megafauna pre-flood. So could there have been Bats, that were much, much bigger. I mean, sure, but same time.

1:06:49 I think that they would be pretty much like the bats we have now which still the bats we have now don't really run on all fours. Their joints aren't really shaped that way in their legs but even still, I think maybe some of them stand. I'm not 100% sure on this. I've seen some pictures of little flying. Foxes that Ken's are was talking about, so I actually water like an app ton of. Videos about bats motion on ground. Yeah, a lot of them, a lot of them, if not all the ones I saw move just like a wyvern would like from Mark really? It's like, oh yeah, that's where. That's where art got that movement from, No Doubt. Okay, but my killer for bats one, they don't have a long as beak.

1:07:40 Like this thing. Did everybody who saw it, right? Basically described it as having a very large, be course now or whatever it is. They use, they have like these flat faces. Now, you have that foxbat, you know, really big one. Yeah, I don't know. It's exact name. But face looks like a fox and it's got a little bit of a snout. That's the only one. But I mean even then it's only like, four inches. It's not long. Yeah, I'm not. I'm also not leaning towards a mistaken identity. I don't You know, I'm leaning towards the tarragon or something like it because truthfully we do know that parrots do that you know they use their beak and they kind of grab and they shift their legs down and they grab further down in the ship, their legs down and stuff like that. Who knows what sort of other animals that used to exist? You know, Put that in quotes if you want that also did that with their you know, beaks or their mouths. It's hard to say.

1:08:44 But yeah I'm definitely on board with this being of being a flipping which McCullough do you know giant flying reptile. That didn't go extinct. You know? Yeah, I don't know she's cool hates these Toppers. You can see it in his face was not the Cryptid guy always actually I'm just looking at different lizards because I think if anything would be a lizard it wouldn't be a bat reptile and that's what I don't know. President weird cave reptile, it doesn't ever see the light of day and they just happen to pawn it on accident. Yeah, yeah. But the biggest reptiles we have on Earth. Don't fly.

1:09:28 But, you know, it doesn't mean that that couldn't happen, right. I mean, like Jeremy was saying there are these lizards I'm looking at him right here. You know that? Well they Glide. Yeah, that Glide right. So I mean you could have one of these like I said living in a cave just totally cut off from the rest of evolution if you will. And Maybe like, I actually watched a little thing about the Komodo dragon. And that the reason why they look so bumpy is because those are bone protrusions all over its body, that act like some sort of a, you know, a shield, right? So I don't know.

1:10:10 Let's talk about Jeff's Point. What if there were something? The size of one of those things, which they are the size of alligators. They're huge and they can run pretty, dang fast. You can actually get Chase down by one and then, you know, get your arms ripped off, but but it has a, it can glide, right? It has those flaps of skin and its sides that protrude out. That allow it to Glide. If that was the case, then it would certainly have to have a running start in order to make that Glide possible. Yeah. Which I would think that the description would be different but that would, you know, certainly land claim to it, doing that sort of stuff.

1:10:51 But again, I don't know if those things. Well they do climb. I've definitely seen ones like up higher than they should be like on top of cabinets and stuff but I don't know. Interesting, are you guys ready to move on to my next option? I'll I got to two paragraphs left Jeff. So that's good for you and I think you're going to like these to these are more up the last ones up Jeff's wheelhouse this one Jeff Jeff will deal with this. You'll like this one. How about he's in their book. Louis Voss and Nelson touch on the subject of extraterrestrials. And I think this is a very important topic to talk about with the Van Meter visitor. First, let's look at the light orbs, white lights, and mysterious flashes have been associated with abduction, and Alien Encounter, since recorded history on the subject, lights are so common.

1:11:43 That I cannot even come up with one single encounter, where a light, whether it seemed to move independently, or was attached to some UFO sorts, but what about the Caption the creature one subject that I need to stop putting aside is the idea of screen memories. As I reported in many other episodes, a screen memory can be one of two things, it could be a false memory, put into place by a being such as an extraterrestrial to cover up certain important details of their devious acts. This is commonly an owl or other Woodland Critters like dear squirrel or a scream member can also be self-induced. This means that you can witness something so crazy that your mind.

1:12:24 Early blocks it from your from you witnessing it, and replaces the image in your memory with something else. Both have been extensively studied and both seem very plausible. Another aspect that comes. That comes common with alien encounters, is the smell of sulfur in the outline of events. A terrible smell was mentioned a few times by different people. People who have undergone hypnotherapy are other regressive memory techniques and have reportedly uncovered, a hidden alien abduction event in their lives. Often described a putrid smell just before and after the encounter, this is often thought to be the way that whatever these things are that are abducting us knock us out before taking us to whatever.

1:13:11 Wherever and whatever they do to us. Oh, V white, who was the man, who fell asleep in the room above his store. And first saw the creature on top of the telephone pole described after shooting at it, that there was an intense smell that overcame him and Confused him. Could this be the same smell? That is associated with extraterrestrial contact? Could this be why every time someone shot at the thing? It didn't faze it at all. Could it have actually bent? Could it have actually been there? Or was it just a A physical memory place there to cover up the actual image of the glowing orb commonly associated with alien abduction stories. I love this possibility, and I believe that it could really hold some weight here.

1:13:55 Not a chance. Are you calling Whitley strieber a liar? Because he smelt cardboard and cinnamon. He did all that that was during the encounter. But I mean, not all alien. Abduction. Stories is like Whitley streamers. That it's a very unique one. It is very very funny. I really liked him in the least. Yeah. Jeffrey. And you think Buddy. Nah dude. I mean, if extraterrestrials are real, and they are coming here from across the Galaxy, or whatever the universe, like they're not coming in that form. They're not coming in a form in the form of a freaking Dragon. Know they were coming as an orb guy or I was in or okay. Maybe maybe.

1:14:47 What about just like that movie future War? I just watched it again the other day. Where they were passengers on the alien spacecraft that crashed here and somehow got way down deep underground. And then through coal mining, they released it from the ship. Future war. Huh, could be. Yeah, I can guess your watch that. Yeah, he should. It's awesome. Honestly though, man. Like the erasing of History around that time around the turn of the century, right? Like that, in my mind is playing a big part in all of this shit, right? Any of these stories that we find and that time period, I'm automatically like, yo, what did they erase that have to do with this? Because if you go deep enough into like the mud floods and in the you know, tutorial and all that shit, you'll realize like you know, right at the turn of the century dude.

1:15:35 Everything that we thought we knew like we don't even know what year it is. Like we think it's 2023, it's probably not it's probably like 10 23, you know, like crazy shit so. Well Jeff, you always talk about, you know, whenever someone brings up extraterrestrials, you say, well, yeah, extra Tara. Right, right? So, could these things be from on the other side, the ice wall, if it's really quiet and there is land beyond the eyes making sure they can be there. The can talk about that in relation to the hollow Earth and stuff, you know. Yeah. All those things apply mean. That out not a chance of.

1:16:17 They're aliens though. All right. I just there's so many more possibilities. Did that you jump that these beings came from across the universe? Like, I'm just like, dude, there's so many other things that could, that are more realistic than. Are they flew across the universe? All right. Yeah, duh yeah. Dumbass however, use their light to illuminate their way through the Blackness of space, then they probably would be orbs of light. If you can travel the universe, you probably would be light. So I'm With that, I don't know. What about Ultra terrestrial Chef like time. That's my next section. You ready? All right, Ultra terrestrials last one. All right, while we are on the subject of lights and the unknown.

1:17:04 I feel like I should point out the abundance of Lights associated with, not only ghosts, the orbs alien abductions, UFO, sightings and yes, even Bigfoot encounters. But rather the Ones associated with another being one. That lives in the land Fringe of our existence and between the physical and spiritual Realms. The one that live in another, in perceivable, dimension to humanize, alter terrestrials are the one Topic in 40 and topics that we know the least amount least about and the best sources of information on these beings are through the works of John Keel and Jacques Vallee. You pronounced it right? Jacques Vallee these Ultra terrestrials come in. All different shapes and sizes.

1:17:52 Why is that? Nobody knows. But the best guess is come from. How the witnesses perceive? Or how they wish to be perceived by the witness. And just like all other topics of the unknown, they are often accompanied by various forms of light for a very, and I mean, very brief moment. I will touch on them as it Associates with the van visitor, from Van Meter, Everything else will be saved for future episode, where we dive into subject on its own in the future. First thing, I would like to point out is the sound that this creature made. It was described as a scream or drawn-out, high-pitched howl. Now, since all three terrestrials, as defined by John Keel live in a dimension without time, they communicate in ways that we cannot perceive and when they speak or make sounds, they end up doing.

1:18:41 So in a way, that sounds very weird to the human ear They attempt to slow down their voice, which ends up coming out as a screeching sound. Mixed with very fast paced speech in a language. We can understand this has been described in encounters with gray aliens. Spirits, Jin, disembodied, voices. Yes even Bigfoot as well as other forms of paranormal entities, he'll summarized it like this, in his famous book, The Mothman Prophecies quote, their rapid fire unintelligible. Quote language, noted by Witnesses all over the world as Being like a speeding up of a phonograph record could be caused by their failure to adjust to our time cycle.

1:19:21 When they enter our space-time Continuum. They are talking at a different rate because their time is different from ours. When they managed to adjust, they have to forcibly slow themselves down articulating, their word slowly in a sing-song manner. Now I would like to dive into their form that they are seen in. Well, specifically, the Van Meter visitor, it is said that the all terrestrials will show themselves in forms that We can comprehend think of what a being from outside our Dimensions made up of XYZ axis and time might look. Like whatever you're thinking is most likely wrong before May literally be something we cannot perceive. And with these beings having the ability of visitors visiting our Dimension, their physics may have to play along and the forms that they take are thought to derive directly from the collective consciousness of those that witness them This area of Iowa, in 1903 was heavily populated with German immigrants and the fact alone brought some very interesting finds that lu��s Vaz Nelson wrote about in their book. The Van Meter visitor in summary like many cultures from around the world, German folklore is full of mysterious creatures. And one said creature, is the Haber Geiss, which we touched briefly on in our episode on the lore of Krampus as is part of the Austrian law as well in the Times of pagans, this Haber Gaius was known as a spirit of fields and crops and was called up in Fall.

1:20:48 As part of a celebration to ensure a good harvest and the description of this creature was a man-sized bird with a blunt horn on its head. It made strange sounds and ruled the dead of night. Sound familiar. What if the visitor was one of these Ultra terrestrials which chose the physical description of a Haber guys do to the beliefs of the people that were currently living in the area and to add just one more? Or parallel, the visitors Terror on Van Meter happened at the end of September and at the beginning of October, the same timeframe that Pagan Germany would be celebrating and watching out for the Haver guys, still not convinced. What if I were to tell you that there was another aspect to incidents involving supposed Ultra terrestrials. The smell of sulfur.

1:21:32 The smell that has been described as fire and brimstone around Cemetery. Guardian Spirits skunk Apes of Florida Grey Alien Encounter And of course our flying monster and Van Meter IA. Iowa. That's enough on trestles for today. Maura come on a future episode of infinite Ravenel. The end. So you mean demons that project themselves as the cult gods of pagans That's a very yes but also much more than that, you know what I'm saying? That's a very like Simple way to think about that.

1:22:17 And I don't mean that in an offensive way. I just mean like there is much more to that. Yes, I would say. That's the Jinn. That is the trickster. We've talked about this before so that actually makes a lot of sense to me, right? The demon, this this makes sense. I had a feeling you were going to like that one. Yeah. That's it, guys. That is all that I have about the Van Meter visitor, everything that you can know about it. Everything every angle that I can come up with has all been put on the table, that's it. You know what this means, you know, got to put in our bucket list items that were going to go to. I guess I can't get out of the pod cast yet, because we're going to have to go to Iowa, to dig around in all the caves look for bones.

1:23:01 Well, cycle suck, because you're leaving. I'm telling you if I you know what that means though, if I take a camping trip to Northern California again and I find any sort of Bigfoot track ways and stuff like that, and find all this evidence of them. And I'm going to have to start my own show and thank you, tell me and be like, oh, you said I was done with the show. So you said you were done with the show. Yeah. And yeah, you guys firm didn't kick me out. Yeah, yeah. You said I was fired. Come back. Alright. Final thoughts. Kid. Let's go with you first since you didn't talk much today? No, I didn't. I was honestly quite enjoying the story. I honestly like the inner earth being hollow Earth theory here especially because it's a coal mining area. There's lots of caves in the area. It just in my mind.

1:24:00 It just fits and it's it works. So that's the one I'm going to go with I dig it. When them, let's go. Jacob. I am not going to say that it's not some cave-dwelling reptile leaning more towards though, that it more likely was maybe one of five of just unextinguishable flying reptiles. Not not necessarily that it came from the hollow Earth, but maybe it just Resided in caves because in the area is pretty flat or, you know, nothing really going on.

1:24:48 So in order to protect itself, it would have lived in a cave type system and then we have no idea what dinosaurs, you know, had on their, their bodies, their skin. You know, what sort of stuff would it look like with the exception of some that have been discovered, that still have their skin, but it was more like, you know, thick plates, thick plated scales and stuff like that where it actually survived their fault. Ization and stuff. Made it rot away till it's just bones and it was covered with sand or whatever. But yeah, I dig the story. I liked being able to, you know, the way you broke it down and being able to kind of just, you know, talk out my thoughts and try to get a handle on stuff. But I certainly think that this more than likely could have been a real story.

1:25:41 You know, and that's pretty cool now. Could it be 100% fake? Sure. But you know, in regards to how it was constructed, the description of the Beast and all that sort of stuff. It certainly seems like it would fit the description of a real animal. Now, is that because as coal miners in 1903 in Iowa, they uncovered the remains of a of a teardown, you know. And then Developed a story around, it could be right, could it be? Because one Escape From The Hollow Earth? I don't know, could be, you know, I don't know. I don't I don't really have a handle on it, exactly where it came from or what it was but certainly, it doesn't immediately. Check the blocks of this is made-up nonsense or folklore. All right, Jeff.

1:26:37 Final thoughts, interdimensional Ultra terrestrials, you think so, probably or bullshit, Iowa 1903, it's either bullshit because it's Iowa, 1903 or interdimensional time traveling Ultra terrestrial demons right now. Just pick, pick everything D. All of the above is complete, bullshit to dinner. Was it extraterrestrial. Altered terrestrial in the dimensional time traveling.

1:27:21 Traveling, Ultra terrestrial demons, wharves, and traveled across the universe from the hollow Earth. Earth. Pre-flood, my final thoughts. This is one of my absolute favorites when it comes to a creature in the United States. This is just a fantastic urban legend. I don't know if it's true. I think that this one definitely has a really good chance of being true. I love it. I think that it's great. The only That bothers me is the light on the forehead, that's it. Everything else? Like if the light in the forehead wasn't a thing, I'd be like, dude, this was a trend on this was like somehow this thing lived.

1:28:08 I mean, if you look right now there are some pictures online of like old western guys holding up dead pteranodons, right? And I want to say, most of them are probably fake, probably. Who knows? One of them out there out of the 15 that you could bring up on the Google search? Maybe. One of them is real, who knows? I think that they're definitely could have been Pockets. I mean, shoot, we still get sightings of pteranodons. I mean, people still report sightings of pteranodons. It happens, right? Could there be a small population? I doubt there is any more but in 1903 back when we were very undeveloped, especially in that area, I can see it. I can see it.

1:28:56 I definitely could I I just can't get over the light. The light is the only thing I just can't, I don't know. I like the light because it gives the Van Meter Pfister its image like that is the personality of the Van Meter visitor is the light on the for it, right? You can look at anything anybody that knows anything about cryptozoology, right? You can look at anything and you'd be like, oh, it's a A bird, a big Crow, but it has light instead, so that's supposed to be the Van Meter visitor, right? Well, that's why I said the the lantern was stuck on a torn. Yeah, maybe good possibility.

1:29:37 I mean, everything from them saying that there was a dull horn on its head. I mean, pteranodons were known to have crests, I mean something, some bird still do in fact, some some reptiles still have a small crest. It's shoot even Bigfoot Has A sagittal Crest. All right, let me this was it just makes sense. Everything just makes sense. This was also not something that was attacking the people right now. Could it have been fucking with them? Yes. And I think that's where Jeff has some weight here to the ultra terrestrial idea.

1:30:20 I don't think it was enough to terrestrial. I don't think that they would have bothered with anybody in 1903 and Bumfuck, nowhere. We're Iowa, you know, Ultra terrestrials are kind of there, they'll come around and important times. Like, when they start up the hide hide, Ron collider in Switzerland, you know, something like that's when an altar terrestrials going to show up and start fucking with things. They're probably not going to go. Do it in the middle of bumfuck. Nowhere 1903 and a small mining town of the house will keep lets you exist outside of time and that's irrelevant. Yeah maybe maybe but what was important? Going on there in 1903. The thing about Ultra terrestrials, right? And they say Mothman is an altered terrestrial who comes around during times of it's a harbinger of death, right? The the bridge goes down, Silver Bridge, and that separates Ohio from Point Pleasant West Virginia and the Mothman shows up the Mothman is thought to be in an altered terrestrial that shows up during these things as like a watcher. Of history as it's made maybe if there's something that happened out there who knows.

1:31:34 Possibly a thing I'm saying and I'm saying that the light is a fabricated part of the story just to add Flair. You ever hear these stories? I kind of give them the Mel's whole test in my brain and I'm like how like Mel's hole is this story and this story is really nothing like Mills whole, right? Which is which is more than likely it's real because Mel whole Mel's hole is as fake as the day is long and it's just, you know, so it's like, well probably has some validity to this 24 hours fake, right? Yep.

1:32:17 All right. Well, what do you think Travelers? Do you think that the Van Meter visitor is a flush and Bug Cryptid that we should be looking into? Do you think it was a creature from the past? Do you think it was a creature from the stars? Do you think it was a creature from beyond our Dimensions? Until next time everybody, we'll see you right back here. Next Fork of the infinite Rabbit Hole. Goodbye. Bye-bye adi��s.