The Van Meter Visitor

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Welcome back to the infinite
rabbit hole.

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That's it.
Fire buddy.

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Happy New Year, welcome back to
the Inn for the rabbit hole.

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Everyone I am your host Jeremy.
Today we're going to dive into

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one of the biggest mysteries
when it comes to cryptozoology

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here in the United States.
What is it?

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You guys know do not meet her
visitor, the Van Meter visitor.

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That's right.
Jacob.

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Yeah, I'm smart.
Yeah, you are so Jake.

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How you doing, man?
I'm doing well.

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And on top of doing well, I'm
wearing the world-famous most

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okay as podcasts in the world
shirt because your quote from, I

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think communion part 2.
Yeah.

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This is the sport version.
So it's kind of like that

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moisture wicking type stuff, so
it's actually very comfortable.

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Oh nice.
Yeah.

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I'm wearing my new beige into
the Rabbit Hole shirt that I got

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from the new shop.
I like it.

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It's nice.
Yeah, like a color.

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All right kid.
Hello.

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Hello.
Welcome.

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Thank you.
How are things up there?

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And Old Maple land.
Oh, you know.

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They are they are, they are
there, it's the time up here,

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you know, and coming from
outside of the Matrix himself

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old happy New Year, Jeff, how
you doing man?

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I'm good, buddy.
How are you?

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I'm good.
Well, no, I'm not.

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I'm not good.
I'm stressed out stressed out

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too.
Hey, welcome to the club, pal.

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Hey, Happy Valentine's Day
everybody.

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You just how I love all of you?
Yeah, thanks buddy.

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My Valentine is away in Maryland
for a five-week Detachment.

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So I guess you you all are my
valentines.

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So happy Valentine's Day.
I'll send you flowers especially

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you Jeff.
Especially you he really likes

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from so many flowers.
Yeah, into cars at Eva because I

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love you so much.
Thanks.

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Don't get funny before we get
started.

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Jake, do you want to make an
announcement?

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Nope.
Okay, sure.

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Yeah, we'll wait till it's
closer to the time.

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It's not a big deal.
Okay, all right.

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Well, Jake's pregnant, that's
it.

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Well, I can't wait to rub your
Billy.

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Well, it's because all that frog
water.

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Thanks.
Alex Jones.

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Can we just, can we just stop
for a second and just enjoy how

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much that evolved from?
What it was is too.

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All that frog water.
Thanks Alex.

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I get a crack at a Jeff finally,
for once in his life.

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From that one.
No.

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All right, I'll say it.
I am planning here in the next.

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I gave Jeremy two months to find
a replacement co-host because I

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am planning on leaving the show.
I've had been having a big

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struggle with balance lately.
I can't bounce.

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Without a life where I am
constantly working, I have zero

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time to myself and, you know,
part of that is that I'm

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preparing to get out of the
military.

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So, I'm going through a plethora
of medical appointments and

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Mental, Health appointments,
which are all good things, but

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then I'm trying to learn my new
job.

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That was offered to me, hearing
Southern California so doing

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that.
I officially have started

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pastoral training so that takes
up an awful lot of Of time.

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And, you know, I just don't have
time for the show.

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So I told Jeremy to find
somebody now, whether well,

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let's preface that I'm not
saying that it's not going to be

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like on a guest episode type
basis or I say, hey, I've got

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this cool project or whatever
Jeremy's been trying to get me

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to do, you know?
So same thing I did over on

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Phil's podcast, where I broke
down, Matthew 24 in the Bible

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and related to current times and
events.

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Jeremy wants me to do something
like that.

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So yeah, calling them up and
saying, hey, I've got something

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to throw out there on the show,
but I told Jeremy that, you

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know, we've been building this
thing for forever.

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And the first time I left was
for this reason.

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I wanted to start going to
Seminary and then things fell

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apart right there.
But this is you know, the

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official it's actually happening
but at the same time I don't

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want the podcast to just crash
and burn.

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I don't want you know my spot
just be vacant.

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So you know Jeremy find some
some Buddy that can fill my spot

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that is passionate about the
show that can, you know, stick

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to a schedule, can do things for
the show like editing and that

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sort of stuff.
And, you know, has the time

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frame for it because I had to be
open and honest with Jeremy.

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The last thing I want is to
still be here.

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But, you know, providing half a
half product, you know, less

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than desirable work.
You know, the reason why I

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haven't busted out, that trolls
episode really is because I just

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don't have time.
To research and put together

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that massive of a project, you
know, I just there's no time for

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it.
And so instead of dragging this

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process out and being just a
burden, I'd rather be replaced

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with someone that can, you know,
take over that spot.

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So that, you know, Jeremy and
Jeff and Kenza are getting a

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valuable member that they
deserve to work with not someone

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that's constantly like, oh, I
don't have time for this.

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So I don't have time for this
and stuff like that, because I

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mean that's the way it is right
now.

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I just have Zero time for
myself.

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I got a motorcycle and a hundred
pieces in the garage.

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And you know, I've been wanting
to fix the paint job for a month

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now, but I have zero time to get
into the garage to do it because

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I'm spending, you know what 8,
to 10 hours at work every single

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day, right?
But then I'm doing, you know,

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editing the podcast, start,
doing the merch stuff, you know,

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working on different music,
stuff for it and everything like

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that trying to do research for
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And then on my weekends, I have
pretty much Church the entire

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weekend, you know.
Plus me and my wife actually

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helped plant a church on our
military base.

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So we have to do that on
Sundays.

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I have pastoral training on
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I just don't have time for
anything else, except for work,

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and it's causing a tremendous
amount of strain in you know,

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how I operate.
And the things that's expected

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of me especially on this show.
So I'd rather just be replaced

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and just, you know, nip it in
the bud and say, Me, this is

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what's been going on and I need
you to start finding someone

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else, but that being said, give
it a couple months, not saying,

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you know, like you would do any
boss.

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You know, I consider Jeremy my
boss because he's, you know, the

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pretty much the main head honcho
of this this thing.

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But, you know, you would expect
to tell anybody sauce.

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Hey, I don't, you know, I'm
planning on quitting in 30 days

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or whatever just so that they
have the heads up and it's not

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just a huge shock unless you
hate you.

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In which case.
That's but that's not what the

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way I feel about Jeremy.
So that's what's been going on

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lately.
All right, so what does that

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mean?
For the infrared whole that

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means that no longer will you
have really cool.

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So that evil laugh.
That's why the backgrounds Red

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Sea, hmm?
Well, that means that will no

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longer have really cool intros,
we will not have any more

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artwork done.
So, get your stickers now or get

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in your request to Jake now,
because when he goes, I don't

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know how to do that shit, not
gonna do it.

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So, what we have now is pretty
much what we're going to have

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until I want to learn something
new, which maybe soon, I don't

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know.
That is a good point.

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If any of you listeners want
something specific, I mean, we

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only have so many different
options in the store but you

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want a specific design or have a
request, hit us up.

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You know, go to our group,
Facebook page, and DMS or put it

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up there and say or you know hit
us up at infinite Rabbit Hole

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gmail.com and say, hey, I'd
really like this.

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Like the only reason why we have
coasters is because we had a

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specific A fan that said that he
wanted coasters.

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So when we left printful, which
didn't have that option

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available, I looked at red
bubble.

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On the first thing I saw was
they made coasters.

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So I jumped right on it and I
made a bunch of different

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designs with coasters on it.
So we will provide those sorts

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of things, you know, especially
while I'm here.

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And I can teach Jeremy how to do
this stuff, but it's a lot.

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It's a lot of stuff to do, you
know?

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It takes probably 20 hours for
me to make a Good infinite

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Rabbit Hole design.
So it's a lot of work.

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So basically all the really cool
audio things that you guys hear,

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the music, the intros, and stuff
like that, that's all going to

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go away.
There will be some changes to

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the infinite Rabbit Hole.
I will talk to you guys about

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these later, but I do have some
sort of an idea of where, what

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direction I want to go to go in
and I think it's in the long run

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is going to make the show a lot
better.

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So as of right now, we are
looking for another co-host.

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So if you are interested, you
got to let us know.

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Now I'm not making any decisions
off the wing.

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We are going to have interview
processes.

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Just don't know what they are
yet, but you got to get in

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contact with me.
If your infant rabbit hole at

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gmail.com, hit me up on DM
Facebook, go over to incident

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rabbit hole.com.
And hit the, the message

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messages or whatever button,
something like that.

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And let me know that you are
interested.

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I'm not going to make this
decision quick and we may have

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some episodes where we just have
three people or two, who knows?

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Because Jeremy's gonna leave
too.

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It's all kids no kid.
This is yours.

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Good luck.
Okay, don't ruin it.

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Can I fire myself now?
All right, but that's enough of

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that.
We've talked for quite a while,

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Jeff.
You got anything that you want

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to say?
It's my bedtime.

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No, we're just starting.
So I do have an intro for this

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jacob.
You're not getting tribal.

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I see.
I see how it is.

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So this is probably going to be
the last thing that Jake ever

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doesn't intro for.
We'll see what.

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Yep, yeah, probably
In December of 1967, the Silver

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Bridge, Connecting Point,
Pleasant West, Virginia, and

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glop Alice Ohio collapse into
the icy waters of the Ohio,

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river and among other things,
the mystery of the Mothman was

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thrown into the Limelight and
became one of the darling poster

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children of cryptozoology and
urban legends in 1909 just east

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of the land Mothman.
The snallygaster came.

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The scene in the mountains of
Western Maryland.

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Stories Crawl Through the
hollers and hills of the

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northern Appalachians of this
flying phenomenon and its

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tendencies that pickup full
grown men drain them of their

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blood before tossing, the empty
bodies back to the Earth.

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And before that in January the
same year just to the north in

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the desolate Pine Barrens.
New Jersey.

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A double was loose and tore
through the nightmares of Boom

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Doc pineys and city Folk like
things got so bad that working

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School.
Shut down from January 16th,

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22nd due to the DraStic increase
of devil encounters but before

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the mouth snellie and JD there
was another notorious Terror of

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the night.
One that began its rain six

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years before the likes of any
other heavyweight Airborne

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Cryptid time to step back in
time, travelers back to 1903 and

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mid-autumn to a town.
Just a thousand Souls just

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outside of Des Moines Iowa.
A visitor is about to make their

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presence known in Van Meter,
welcome back to infinite rabbit.

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Kind of stumble over my words
there at the end, but whatever.

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So this isn't a Jersey Devil
episode.

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This is not a Jersey Devil
episode although, you know, you

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guys will learn pretty quick,
but this is another aerial

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Cryptid.
This is a very unique story,

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this is one that can be debated.
This is not something that's

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just a story because there are
holes in it but I mean this

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comes back from 1903.
So Of course, there's going to

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be some holes there, right?
Because by now, you know, the

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game of telephone probably
change this Legend from what it

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really was to something
drastically different But I'm

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gonna give you what I found.
All right, holes, are we talking

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about here like big old gaping
holes or little tiny holes?

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I wouldn't say it's a gave her,
but yeah, Caper fair enough.

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All right, any questions before
we get started?

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No visitor of Van Meter in the
book.

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The Van Meter visitor by Chad,
Lewis, Noah, Voss and Kevin Lee

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Nelson.
The men make mention of an

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article from 1903 titles.
Des Moines new monster and

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quoted.
The article is sitting quote to

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weird-looking Terror strike
striking monsters are living in

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an abandoned Coal, Mine on the
edge of town.

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The abandoned Coal Mine, the
article was referring to was the

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old Van Meter Coal Mine which in
1879 was sold to the Chicago

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Coal Company.
They used to provide the town of

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Tracy's Nat natural resources to
entities, such as The Rock

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Island Railroad Company.
This, along with the popular,

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clay Brick & Tile Factory, which
use clay from nearby areas in

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the coal, mine itself made the
small town of Tracy, a popular

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hub for labor by the turn of the
20th century.

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All of this was thanks to a very
important Pioneer by the name of

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Jay, our Van Meter in.
A town eventually changed his

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name to to pay homage as many
people made their way into the

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u.s. across the Midwest more and
more people began settling in

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the newly named named town of
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Iowa as these newcomers settled,
not only in Van Meter, but

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throughout the entire State
Supernatural, beliefs and lure

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came with them, both before.
And after the vizard terrified,

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the people of Van Meter stories
of werewolves wild men water

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monsters ghosts and
Self-illuminating.

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Illuminated, orbs were detailed
by many who called this state

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home, although many of these
stories, have some documentation

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to them, none of them have been
reported in such a way that

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Rivals, the Van Meter visitor, a
flying monster said to be living

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in the abandoned Coal Mine in
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All right.
Y'all ready to get visited?

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Yeah, man.
Who gets soaked visitor?

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Just not probed.
All right, go, you're going to

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wish you got broke.
All right.

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Let's start diving into the
first events.

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Yugi Griffith was walking home
at 1 a.m.

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Tuesday, September 29th, 1903
after a long day at work at his

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tool and seed store and Van
Meter IA Iowa as mr.

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If it's was approached as mr.
Griffith approached the Mather

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and Greg's building in town.
As part of his normal route

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home.
His attention was drawn to the

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top of the building, where there
stood a light he had never seen

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before.
His first thoughts were that the

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building was being robbed and
began to move closer to get a

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better view.
But as he approached the

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building the light quickly,
floated away from the Mather and

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Greg and was now stalled on top
of another building across the

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street and as quick as it took
to move to the other building,

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The light disappeared.
Mr. Griffith didn't have to

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worry about robbers anymore,
Griffin.

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This is walk home and fell
asleep.

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The next morning, he who was a
very respected member of the

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Town who held a seat on the
Village Council and belong to

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very respected clubs began
telling all that would listen

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about his encounter the night,
prior with a mysterious light.

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A few newspapers picked up on
the story and would publish the

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next day it report of Griffiths
Griffiths account.

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But little was made of it in a
public manner, the rest of the

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first or second day dr.
Alcott went to sleep, the night

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of the 29th.
The very next day in a small

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room, behind the office, in
which he in his practice and

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doze off to the sound of light
rain.

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Just shy of 1 a.m.
Wednesday morning.

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He was awoken by an extremely
bright light shining.

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In his face, the pudgy little
man jumped up out of bed and

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grabbed his gun and ran outside
to confront those that were

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torturing his sleep as dr.
Alcott turned the corner outside

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of his doctors office.
He came face-to-face with a

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creature that he could never, he
could have never created in his

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nightmares.
A half man, half animal as

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Alcott later described stood in
front of him with large bat-like

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wings and a blunt horn coming
out of the middle of his

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forehead.
But the light now, the light was

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intense and was originating out
from the small protrusion on his

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face and dr.
Alcott raised his revolver and

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fired.
Five shots into the creature,

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which seemed to not affect it in
the slightest.

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So he turned tail and ran back
into his office.

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Lock the doors and windows, and
hunkered in until Daybreak as

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the sun rose on, whip on
Wednesday.

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September 30th 1903 and Van
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Iowa dr.
Alcott began telling his story

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to a select few men.
And before long, the story had

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been the Talk of the Town and
nobody looked at the two

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encounters is being caused by
the same entity yet.

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In the very early morning hours.
The next day.

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Clarence done, was on his way to
the bank that he worked at as a

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teller.
And would one day manage, he was

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one of the only or one of a very
few people in the town that saw

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the two stories, a strange
lights being possibly connected

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and it was his concern that
there were robbers about.

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So we headed to the bank to
guard it for the night, shotgun

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hand around 1 a.m. mr.
Dunn, finally arrived and began

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his Long night Garden to source
of income that kept his family

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live, a strange gurgling sound
arose, from a rose him from his

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chair before an intense light
illuminated him from the window

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at the front of the bank, the
light swept around the room and

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snap back to Clarence.
As he was.

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Raising a shotgun, the light
settled on him.

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Once again, as he pulled the
trigger shattering the glass in

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the creature was gone once
again, according to mr.

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Dunn, he shot it perfectly and
there was no way that he missed.

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In the Morning Light, the only
evidence that anything was there

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was shattered glass outside of
the bank, and a few three toe

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tracks that thankfully mr.
Dunn casted, in plaster that

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night, oh V white was asleep
above the Fisher and white

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hardware and furniture store
that he co-owned when he was

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shocked awake by an intense
sound right outside of his

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second story.
Quarters on Main Street, he

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grabbed his gun as he had heard
the rumors around town.

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Of a creature on the loose and
went to his window to see what

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was making the incredible sound
as he opened the window, the

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sound stopped mr.
White look through the

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drizzling, the drizzle falling
on the street below him as he

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began to look around.
He noticed a dark figure

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standing on the cross section of
the telephone pole across the

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street and immediately mr.
White believe, he knew that the

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culprit was perched at a height
that was unbelievable for

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something.
So big to be at 0 V, white took

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aim and fired around directly.
Lee at the creature he shot that

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he described as an ordinary good
shot but the creature didn't

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fall instead.
It turned around and Shine the

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most incredible light directly
at mr.

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White and whatever it was seemed
to emit a smell that was so

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strong that white reported that
it confused him and he lost

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track of what was happening.
The same shot rang out

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throughout town and awakens his
neighbor.

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Sydney, gray mr.
Our Sydney Greg sorry.

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Mr. Greg, ran to his front door.
Which faced out to to Main

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Street and was shocked.
At the sight of a very large

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creature with long Wings, making
its way down the telephone pole

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in a way that reminded him of a
parrot to sending a poll in its

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cage.
The creature held its body

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horizontal to the ground and
climbed down one foot.

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After the other while using its
large beak to make a constant 3

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points of contact mr.
Greg described it as almost 8

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feet tall with a very large beak
and a light as bright as

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Electric.
And emanating from its forehead,

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both men, described an
incredible stench after it began

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moving from its perch Sydney.
Greg heard the loud sound of the

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oncoming train that brought the
Daily Mail and as if the

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creature, I've never heard a
sound like that before, it

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dropped low to the ground as if
startled by the Rivalry noise.

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Mr. Greg only 15 feet away from
the creature watched, as it took

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large leaps before dropping to
all fours and running until it

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eventually took flight towards
the Abandoned coal mining town.

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That was the last time.
Anyone saw the creature that

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night?
All right guys.

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So what you guys think about the
first three days?

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Four days, four days back
back-to-back events.

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The first thing I think of is
the Thunderbird or a very large

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bat.
Does he know that way?

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Either way the light, I believe
that the light shining into

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their eyes, would cause a
massive reflection if their eyes

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are big enough, so, The way that
these these encounters read.

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And one of The Tell-Tale signs
of the Van Meter visitor, is as

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self-illuminating light where
the light comes from the

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creature itself.
That's just, you know, we've

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discussed this before.
I don't think there is a single

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animal on the face of the Earth
that we know of, I mean, let's

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preface this.
That we know of that has light

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that actually shines from its
eyes.

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So it doesn't come from size.
Comes from a spot on his

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forehead.
That's not true.

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Either, there are bioluminescent
animals and like the anglerfish,

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there's things.
Maybe they don't shine a light

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like a flashlight or like a
laser beam, but does it mean?

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Couldn't happen if you had.
I could see that being

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biologically possible is what
I'm saying.

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What I'm getting at.
I, I tackle this with an idea.

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I have later on, we'll get back
into that in a minute because I

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know that like, when you hear
this story of the Van Meter

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visitor, that's the first thing
that pops in your head is is

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that damn light.
If if that light wasn't there

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this could be a number of things
like Jake was saying right.

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One thing I don't go into is
Thunderbird.

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I just I For one.
Don't think it's a Thunderbird

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whatsoever but there are a lot
of other options that it could

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possibly be.
It was just that idea that going

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down the pole like that.
I could totally picture at me

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like that sounds like a big
bird.

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Yeah.
But no Jeff I meant like from

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its eyeballs because that's
always what we hear is that

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their eyes were glowing because
eyes are made to take in light

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not projected to you're not a
bioluminescence like of course

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we see in Plants we see in some
animals like generally fish,

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deep underwater.
And stuff like that, where there

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is no light, they create
bioluminescence but it was the

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eyes.
I was referring to but the light

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on top of the head though.
I don't know.

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I'm digging this story though,
so far, it is a good story.

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Van Meter, visitors, classic
iconic, special second part.

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I kind of feel like in 1903 in
Des Moines, Iowa, there's

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probably some bullshit story.
There might be, there might be a

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little town, the whole town to
give another thing.

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Is it starts with one, it starts
with one right guys, eating bar,

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whatever, right?
And he's like, yeah, man.

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And then somebody here is it and
like, there's nothing going on

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in Des Moines Iowa.
Now in 20 13 was happening

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there.
So of course, like the next guy

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is going to want to be in on it
somehow like what happened to me

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too man.
Yeah when I got a cast of the

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foot to nude.
Yeah the okay it pulled down my

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pants and showed me.
What was what?

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Yeah, tasted gray.
That's what I latched onto is

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the casting.
I want to see the casting of

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this foot.
So let's talk.

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Up this cast because it no
longer exists.

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Ah, how appropriate, how
appropriate?

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Okay, one thing we could talk
about this because I actually

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didn't mention this throughout
my presentation here which is

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pretty critical know, there's
two things that are wrong with

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the cast from 1903 in Van Meter,
Iowa, one the Caster that the

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cast The casting plaster that
they used was It was kind of

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gooey, it wasn't solidified,
like it is now like we add salt

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to ours.
Now, never used to do that.

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So it became very very brittle
and it wasn't something that was

451
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:54,600
meant to stay as a cast for a
very long time that just didn't

452
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,100
last.
Also a few years later at the

453
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:04,900
want to say it was by 1910.
Almost the entire town burned

454
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:07,000
down.
Hmm.

455
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,400
So if this cat's did exist and
was in that town, there's a good

456
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,800
possibility that even if it was
real that it's that it wouldn't

457
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,300
be around today where they're at
least photographs taken of it in

458
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:24,600
1903.
I don't know if the camera exist

459
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,700
tried.
I tried Googling it.

460
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:30,400
All I got was artist, Renditions
of what the Cryptid is supposed

461
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,500
to look like no actual foot.
Castings are pictures of said

462
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:37,800
casting, right?
And I'm glad you brought that up

463
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:45,800
because when I put this video on
YouTube, I am going to plaster

464
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,300
it with some of these artists
Renditions of this thing.

465
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:55,100
I think the they're awesome.
It's this this creature so

466
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:56,700
intense.
And like if you look at some of

467
00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:01,000
these, some of these pictures,
Jake I think specially you,

468
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,100
because you spent a lot of time
playing ARCA me, you're going to

469
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:07,500
get some ideas of what this
Looks like an Argent Avis.

470
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:13,400
No, no it actually looks like a
quetzel or a Pteranodon so so

471
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,900
you might be talking about the
other version of the Thunderbird

472
00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:20,800
which is more like there's a big
flying reptile out there right

473
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,600
now that, you know, if you if
you look at or if you listen to

474
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,700
the description that comes off
of this thing bat-like Wings

475
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:30,000
stands out.
Yeah.

476
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,400
Right.
And that reminds me of a

477
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,200
Pteranodon, something from that
family.

478
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,800
But I get into that too, so I
don't want to dive too much into

479
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,500
that.
You guys read move on and could

480
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,600
have they been nighttime Hunters
with bioluminescence?

481
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:49,600
I say that in my right, Jeff.
I have a question about this

482
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,800
town burning down.
Do you go into that?

483
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,600
I don't know.
Because that, that was a

484
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,800
separate incident, then the Van
Meter visitor completely.

485
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,400
So I don't talk about it.
Although, the book that I did

486
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:07,600
read, which I stated the title,
is Van Meter visitor by three

487
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,100
different people live.
Well, it's just interesting

488
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:16,400
because it's around the same
time that all the world's fairs

489
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400
were being brought around and
burned down and all of history

490
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,300
was being erased.
So I wonder if that town was

491
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,900
burned down on purpose to a Some
shit that might have actually

492
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:28,700
been going down, maybe good
possibility.

493
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:32,400
That is interesting that you
said that but the book is by

494
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,500
Louis faucet Nelson.
It's a great book.

495
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:41,400
I actually from the same, the
same authors did the windigo

496
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,600
book that I did the windigo
episodes, awful kid.

497
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,400
Cool.
You guys ready?

498
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:53,600
And we'll just too just to
answer your question.

499
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,400
Yes, photography was around in
1901 that giant mound of Buffalo

500
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,600
skulls and stuff where people
are standing in front of it,

501
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:04,300
that was taken in 1880.
Although it would have been very

502
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:06,800
expensive.
Yeah, so far later.

503
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,400
Yeah.
Yeah, let me let me pay a quick

504
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:17,000
thousand dollars to have this
picture taken shit this cast.

505
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:18,900
Alright?
Jeff you ready?

506
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,000
Okay, good Jeff left, everybody
just walks away.

507
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,100
That's what he does.
All right, he's gonna miss him,

508
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:26,800
the story, I'm not catching him
up.

509
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:33,400
Alright, next bit the town's
folks Last Stand.

510
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,300
The town woke up to Terror as
yet.

511
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:40,900
Another sighting of the creature
was made last night and not just

512
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:44,500
any sighting Sydney.
Greg was 15 away. 15 feet away

513
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:48,300
from it and had a perfect view
of the thing while mr.

514
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:50,600
White shot.
It again, before it admitted a

515
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,200
terrible odor and ran off
towards the coal.

516
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,200
Mine people were now connecting
the three events that all

517
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,300
happened and I say three, it's
for I do apologize for events

518
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:04,600
that all happened in for
consecutive nights.

519
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:10,200
You had the light on top of the
building, you had the Doctor Who

520
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,500
came around his building and
fired five shots into it.

521
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:17,600
You have the bank teller who
shot it through a window with a

522
00:32:17,608 --> 00:32:20,500
shotgun and then you have mr.
White, and mr.

523
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:24,600
Gregg's story where it came down
telephone pole.

524
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,900
And like the, the scariest
fucking way that anything, I'm

525
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:31,500
not a fucking telephone pole,
I'd be like, nah, I'm good.

526
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:37,300
I'm going to go back to bed.
People were now connecting the

527
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:41,100
four events that all happened in
four consecutive Nights by for

528
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:44,800
diff are five different
important men in the town.

529
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,800
This thing was big, it was loud.
It flew and somehow it was able

530
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,300
to shine in an incredible light
which gave it the upper hand in

531
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:56,500
the nighttime.
When it had visited Van Meter, a

532
00:32:56,500 --> 00:33:00,600
local high school teacher
reported as only named

533
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,900
Professor.
Martin said that the creature

534
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:09,700
was most likely and to divide
until Aunt diluvian and to

535
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:13,600
leuven, which means from room.
Yeah, that's why I said, which

536
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,500
means from a time before the
great flood, but nobody knew for

537
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:22,100
sure exactly what it was and why
it was here the evening of

538
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,900
Friday October.
Second was a long one, everybody

539
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:29,300
was on alert due to reports and
men, who worked at the factory

540
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,400
and brick plant in the same
area.

541
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,800
Reported sounds coming from deep
within the shafts one

542
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,200
description to sounds.
Whereas quote, though Satan and

543
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,200
a regiment of imps were coming
forth for a battle JL Platt.

544
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,900
Jr.
Was the plant manager at this

545
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:48,700
Factory and was a very seasoned
worker of both the mind and the

546
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:52,500
brickworks, The Sounds emanating
from the hollows of the voids

547
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,600
that were the old.
Ended mine shaft, just 600 feet

548
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,500
away from the building.
He was now in charge of were

549
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:01,400
terrifying to all the men who
were who were working that

550
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,800
night, mr.
Platt group, curious and

551
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,800
approached the entrance to the
mine and was shocked to witness

552
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,000
the winged monstrosity along
with a slightly smaller, one as

553
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,300
well.
He described both creatures as

554
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:16,800
having the bright light, that
others had reported and came

555
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,100
extremely close to them as they
took flight directly over his

556
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:22,699
position.
All of the men working that

557
00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:26,000
night at at various distances
between mr.

558
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,699
Platts position and the plant
only 600 feet away, saw them as

559
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:31,699
they flew off into the darkness
of night.

560
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,500
The reports didn't wait until
morning the men knew what they

561
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:37,800
had to do.
So they went back to town and

562
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,900
gather all the men and their
firearms on the way out.

563
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:44,000
All of lights were turned on in
town to provide some sort of

564
00:34:44,007 --> 00:34:47,300
comfort and protection for the
younger men children and women

565
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:50,000
of Van Meter.
If those things came back to the

566
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,400
mines tonight, they will be met
by A Chorus of shots fired by

567
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,600
Man in town.
The night was not as exciting as

568
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,900
everyone had hoped the men
waited until Daybreak for the

569
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:02,800
creature.
And the last moments of daylight

570
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:07,300
the two huge flying Terrors were
spotted heading back to the

571
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:10,600
mouth of the Mind.
The entire mob of men with their

572
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,800
firearms took aim and fired.
And volley, that was heard by

573
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,900
and frightened those in town.
As the creatures flew closer.

574
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,400
Another horrific smell permeated
the area and many men could not

575
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,900
take the smell and quit firing,
but it made no difference

576
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,600
because even with the dozens or
hundreds of shots fired, the

577
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,300
creatures flew lazily by the men
guarding the mouth of the mine

578
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,700
as if they weren't even there a
new Terror struck them all.

579
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,300
Not, everyone was convinced that
these creatures even existed,

580
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,200
and if they did, the reported
shots would have had to have

581
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,400
been off and not actually hit
the creature, but there was no

582
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,200
questioning longer.
They were here.

583
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,600
And bullets did absolutely
nothing to them.

584
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:59,000
That was the last reported
sighting of the mysterious large

585
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,300
flying monster with a natural
Spotlight on its forehead.

586
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:05,500
All of this information
originally came from articles

587
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:09,800
published by the Des Moines,
Daily News and was brilliantly.

588
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,900
Recaptured in the Van Meter
visitor, a book by Chad, Lewis,

589
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:17,800
Noah Voss.
And Kevin Lee Nelson, many

590
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,000
Mysteries.
Still exists about the origins

591
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,800
and the eventual end of this
mysterious monster.

592
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,300
Some say that the townspeople
boarded up, the old mine shaft

593
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:29,600
and blocked them in, until they
starve and died.

594
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,900
Their bones eternally lost time
and the concoction of fumes

595
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,700
produced by such mind.
Some say that the creatures flew

596
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:41,300
out and away after the
onslaught, by the Myriad of

597
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,200
bullets, fired at them.
During that Last Stand by the

598
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,400
men of Van Meter, or maybe
they're still out there.

599
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,400
All right, so, that's it.
That is everything.

600
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:56,200
The rest of the episode is all
dissection, okay, we're going to

601
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,100
dive into possibilities and
we're going to go way down the

602
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:04,200
rabbit hole just so unlike what
Jeff will tell you that

603
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:10,600
dinosaurs never existed.
Now, I'm just teasing but

604
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:17,500
truthfully we don't know because
we only have bones, right?

605
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:21,800
What These animals because I
mean, I looked up the images to

606
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,700
they look exactly like
pteranodons.

607
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:26,600
But of course, that's artist.
Renditions going off of

608
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,500
something, the we already
believe to know existed.

609
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:33,400
Right.
But we don't know what their

610
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,000
skin makeup was.
We don't know if they had some

611
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,600
sort of a scent gland where they
could put off this disgusting

612
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,000
odor, right?
We don't know if they had, I

613
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,400
don't know, very thick skin,
right?

614
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:49,500
Like you got a match.
Legend.

615
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:53,900
There's no, they're probably not
be any real protection on them.

616
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,600
Granted it have to be light to
fly around unless their bones

617
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,900
were very dense but I don't
think that's the case.

618
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:02,800
But that we don't know any of
that stuff.

619
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,600
We don't know if they created
bioluminescence, we don't know.

620
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,900
Even what color they were?
You know, some people even say

621
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:11,700
oh well the dinosaurs had
feathers and turns out that was

622
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:16,600
a lie too because you know, that
that original fossil is a fake

623
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,700
but it's just So much stuff.
We don't know about the

624
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:24,600
dinosaurs because we only thing
we have is their bones and even

625
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,300
the question remains for some of
them being so big.

626
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:33,200
How did you know their bones?
Take the weight of them as you

627
00:38:33,207 --> 00:38:35,300
know, full-grown adults?
How do they mate?

628
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:37,400
Like that?
The best explanation I've gotten

629
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,000
for that one.
Is that they bred when they were

630
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,100
young, once they got too big I
mean they couldn't possibly lift

631
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:45,400
themselves up in order to breed
with each other even like

632
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,800
lizards do so.
You know, they probably did that

633
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,200
as As you know, as smaller
younger dinosaurs.

634
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:57,000
But there's so many things that
is just Unknown about them.

635
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,300
So if in fact, there were
pteranodons that maybe still

636
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:03,000
inhabit the Earth and to some
degree or another in some

637
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,800
places, you know, which could
they have a spotlight shine out

638
00:39:06,808 --> 00:39:08,000
of their foreheads?
Sure, why not?

639
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,200
Yeah, because we have no clue,
you know?

640
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,800
They could be purple with pink
spots.

641
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,900
We have no idea.
Probably not.

642
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:16,900
But you know, it's just like,
could they be sky-blue?

643
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:17,900
I don't know.
Right.

644
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,500
And so it's just like So, we
different things.

645
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:27,000
I am not above thinking that to
a degree, you know, some of

646
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,400
these dinosaurs, you know, was
still exist around the earth.

647
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,500
You know, in very small
populations or maybe in large

648
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:39,600
populations, but in very remote
areas where maybe the tribes

649
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,000
people that live there.
The you know, just the

650
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,300
population itself doesn't want
to expose that these things

651
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:47,900
happen because what's going to
happen all the world scientists

652
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:49,700
are going to show up there at
their Doorstep.

653
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:54,100
So, you know, I think that this
is a very interesting story and

654
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,800
I'm not quick to say this is all
baloney.

655
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:04,400
Nice, anybody else?
I don't know, bro.

656
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,700
So is there anybody is there any
documentation of interviews from

657
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,800
these people who had these
sightings or is this all just

658
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,300
based off of the newspaper
articles in the time, just

659
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:16,900
newspaper overdose of the
tournament.

660
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:19,800
That's it.
This was a very, very small

661
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,000
area.
This was not a very big area,

662
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,300
the whole, that whole that whole
section, the country was

663
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:30,300
underdeveloped, it was Blue
Collar as Blue Collar get.

664
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:33,400
It's like if you lived in the
town, Own you worked in the

665
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,100
mine.
It was a simple as that.

666
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,600
Here's the problem is like that
geographical location in my mind

667
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:46,200
is hard for creatures like that
to have existed, unknown going

668
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,600
back, thousands of years.
All right.

669
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,900
If they've somehow survived, you
know, like I've been Daiwa.

670
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,900
There's not a whole lot of
places to hide a lot of corn but

671
00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:59,800
you believe in the whole earth
and their miners, could they

672
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,500
have cracked open a hole in
these things.

673
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:03,800
Escape from It.
Yes, that's that.

674
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,800
Ran through my mind to that.
I mean, that's always a theory,

675
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,100
right?
Every episode, no matter what

676
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:10,600
we're talking about.
It's always comes down to like,

677
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,700
well, maybe in the hollow Earth,
or maybe in the ocean, I'm sure

678
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:19,200
some connection there.
So, yeah, but also we're in the

679
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:25,100
middle of bumfuck nowhere with
in the middle of like an era

680
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,800
when there's not shit going on,
right?

681
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:34,800
So, So let me spit out.
Another little fact that I did

682
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,900
not include here.
One thing is that they did not

683
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:44,100
publicize this like the town.
Like if you go to any other

684
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:49,200
Cryptid Town, Mothman, Loveland
Frogman, snallygaster Jersey

685
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,800
Devil.
You have festivals, man.

686
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:57,200
Every year annual festivals, The
first Annual Festival of this

687
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,200
was like five years ago, they
had to be convinced an outsider

688
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,700
had to come and convince them to
do something for their monster.

689
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:08,400
Like these people just they
didn't they didn't Market it.

690
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,800
I mean, I'm not saying it was
done for that reason.

691
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,200
I mean it very well could have
just been a simple as like

692
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:16,600
somebody working at the
newspaper was like, hey this is

693
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,200
a fun story.
Yeah.

694
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,500
Right.
We publish one and then next

695
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:23,700
thing, you know the guy at the
bar is like, I seen it.

696
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,500
Right.
What motherfucker man he can't

697
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:30,100
about now.
I will say I will say just to

698
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:34,000
kind of give you a little bit of
warm heart here, right?

699
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:38,500
This book does reference the
almanacs?

700
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:47,100
I'm not the only next the know I
was tracking and then you just

701
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,000
go fucking.
What's the thing?

702
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,400
We population survey, the thing,
you know, Census.

703
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:09,000
They seized what an idiot.
Oh my the the census from those

704
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,600
times these people existed.
So these people lived in Van

705
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:20,000
Meter, right?
So how would a somebody from Des

706
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,600
Moines even know all of these
people that lived in Van Meter?

707
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:34,100
I mean that's less of a stretch
than yo some you know, better

708
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:35,900
than that law from the elm neck,
right?

709
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:41,500
Yeah.
Come on the fence, dude.

710
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:46,200
I'm not saying this is just,
there's a lot of room for me to

711
00:43:46,207 --> 00:43:48,500
be like, you know what, man?
They probably made this shit up.

712
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,000
I agree.
And that's one of the biggest

713
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,000
things with the Van Meter
visitor, is, you know, a lot of

714
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,100
this stuff.
There's like a lot of things

715
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:00,200
that make sense here.
Like, when you talk about the

716
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,800
biology of this creature, the
only thing that doesn't work is

717
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,100
the fucking light on its head.
That's the only thing that

718
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:08,000
doesn't work, I'll get it.
We're going to dive into some

719
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,600
more stuff here.
I'm going to dive into some of

720
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,200
the possibilities of what this
thing could be some more of the

721
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,400
background of town and whatnot.
And I think we're going to open

722
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,200
your minds up a little bit.
Maybe it's just one and they

723
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,200
have that big old horn that
comes out of the top of their

724
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:28,600
head to some degree and it just
got a Got a lantern from the

725
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,700
cave stuck on its head.
And so I was looking at people

726
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:37,600
and I had this later like the
light of death that's just for

727
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,100
you while.
It's just trying to ask for some

728
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:44,400
help, get this thing off my head
and I live in the hallway.

729
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,900
That's what my skin looks like
mold.

730
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,300
Yeah.
All right guys, let's let's move

731
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:54,500
along.
So what was it in the book by

732
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:59,100
Lewis Voss and Nelson.
More Voss takes the lead in

733
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:03,100
chapter 7 and which he outlines
a list, he compiled a possible

734
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:05,900
other sightings of the creature
through the process.

735
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:09,100
He eliminates known and unknown
creatures that share less than

736
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,200
three similarities with the Van
Meter visitor, some of these

737
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,100
similarities are physical such
as the huge size giant bat-like

738
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:19,000
wings or a light
self-illuminated from its body.

739
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:23,100
Some were mannerisms such as
Using its beak to descend off a

740
00:45:23,107 --> 00:45:27,100
tree, like structure fly at
times between midnight and

741
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:30,900
Daybreak and some other of these
characteristics were based off

742
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:34,800
of non physical similarities
such as the, disgusting odor, or

743
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,100
the preference for choosing Old
Mines.

744
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:41,500
It's home vas begins.
His list by detailing the story

745
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:45,000
of the lake Lisbeth area
sighting that described a flying

746
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,400
alligator with six legs and like
Elizabeth California near the

747
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,700
early 1800s.
He then goes into outlining the

748
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:58,100
snallygaster from Maryland and
which he did an entire unless we

749
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:00,600
did an entire episode covering
said creature.

750
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,000
Oldest Ally was very large, had
a horrific sound lived in caves

751
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,800
and mines and the Appalachian
areas of Maryland and

752
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,400
neighboring states as well.
As mostly sighted at night,

753
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:14,300
could these be different
descriptions of the same species

754
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:17,000
of creature?
After the snallygaster Voss,

755
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,700
then dives into the Jersey
Devil.

756
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,600
And if you haven't heard our
coverage a JD yet, I'm gonna

757
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,100
feel personally attacked as the
two-part episode.

758
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:28,200
Is one of my absolute favorites
I've ever done for the show, but

759
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,800
the last comparison.
No, Voss uses is one that I wish

760
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,700
there was more context on
because I love the legend.

761
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,600
The Stansbury Island creature
Stansbury island is the second

762
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,300
largest island in Utah's.
Great Salt Lake slightly over a

763
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:48,100
thousand miles away and only
about three weeks earlier than

764
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,700
the incident in Van Meter, the
Stansbury Island creature, Was

765
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:55,400
spotted and studied by Martin
Gilbert and John Berry for three

766
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,800
days.
They described it as half bird

767
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,600
and half reptile.
The two Hunters said it had the

768
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,300
head of an alligator, the wings
of a bat covered in scales and

769
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:08,700
had fiercely glowing eyes.
The men witnessed, the creature

770
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:13,100
taking full grown horses into a
nearby cave as they listened to

771
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:15,700
the screams of death as it
devoured its victims.

772
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,600
This, of course, is very
interesting is a very

773
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,200
interesting event when it comes.
The time frame and the distance

774
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,000
away from Van Meter IA.
Iowa, both of which I was not

775
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,800
fully aware of before reading,
Louis fossum belson's book.

776
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,500
Another thing that may seem in
important to some is that this

777
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:38,400
island is only a three-hour
drive to Skinwalker Ranch.

778
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:42,200
Personally, I find this very
interesting as this place has

779
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,500
been known for portals to other
dimensions.

780
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:47,300
Then you take physical
descriptions and habits such as

781
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:51,400
choosing to live in a cave which
when compared to a mine, it is

782
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:54,900
Is easy to see the similarities
out of the four options Voss

783
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:57,000
lays out in this book.
I think this is the most

784
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,100
probable to have been have been
another creature with a famous

785
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:04,600
visitor of Van Meter.
And another location now, to

786
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,800
move on to other possibilities
that were not pointed out in

787
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,800
this book.
There are a few options that

788
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,900
come to mind immediately in my
opinion, those being Mothman and

789
00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:17,000
a Pteranodon of some sorts.
Let's start with Mothman.

790
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:22,200
Now, this one might might be a
stretch that I admit, but Not

791
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,300
looking at it, even briefly is
not good for a research or

792
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:28,900
studies.
When we take voss's comparative,

793
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,000
comparative views into
consideration, Mothman has large

794
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,800
Wings half man, half creature
self-illuminating, eyes, and is

795
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,100
commonly believed to have made
the famous TNT site is home.

796
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,700
Now, the eyes of Mothman are
said to be red, but does that

797
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:46,200
mean that every creature?
Like the Van Meter visitor, has

798
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,400
to have a white light.
There are tons of species here

799
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,100
on Earth that come in different
colors shapes and Sizes, two

800
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:54,900
others in their family.
Could this not apply to these

801
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:57,900
creatures as well?
Eylem, it seems like a stretch,

802
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,000
but I would check, I wouldn't
check Mothman off the list of

803
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,000
preliminary with the preliminary
information.

804
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,300
Sorry guys, I can't read today.
The next is the trend on but

805
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:12,400
let's not get caught up directly
to the Pteranodon itself.

806
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:15,800
There are met, there were many
different flying reptiles in the

807
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,900
age of the dinos but
specifically, I would like to

808
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:21,400
look at the order of reptiles
known as terrorists.

809
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,800
Korea among these extinct.
Flying reptiles are the plenty

810
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,900
of subclasses of pteranodons
quetzals.

811
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:33,900
Die morphs intro pios that would
fit the description of the Van

812
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,900
Meter visitor to a tee.
If it were not for the

813
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:40,700
self-illuminating light coming
out of its forehead, long beaks,

814
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:45,400
extreme bulk, when referencing
to us blunt horns on their

815
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,300
forearms known as crests, our
foreheads known as Crest vocals

816
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:53,900
thought to And like a loud
scream and The Reptilian body,

817
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:57,600
all have me thinking.
What if these these flying

818
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,200
reptiles had self-illuminating
lights coming out of their

819
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,800
forehead?
Could we really eliminate that

820
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,700
as a possibility?
Lastly, let's dive into the old

821
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:10,100
forgotten, run down, coal mine.
That was the Hub of two decades

822
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:13,200
prior to the visitors.
Visit I know it is a little bit

823
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,100
science fiction e.
But what if a creature long lost

824
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:18,100
to the underground's of the
earth were trapped away

825
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:22,500
underground in large Caverns,
one way it would adapt for

826
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:26,000
survival, would be to create a
form of bioluminescence, just

827
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,700
like the life forms at the
bottom of the deepest darkest

828
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:31,200
parts of the ocean.
What if a population of

829
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,800
pteranodon work were to be
caught underground for

830
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,200
centuries.
Would they not smell like the

831
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:41,200
sulfur that is found around and
in natural deposits of coal?

832
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:45,700
Yes it's a bit science fiction e
as I said but can we really

833
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:49,700
count it out?
Now we can't.

834
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:54,400
I think that's my favorite.
Favorite theory of Mall.

835
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:57,200
What the last one.
Yeah I'm driving with that one.

836
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,300
The most.
Yeah I just seems like the most

837
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:02,700
entertaining and coolest one of
me.

838
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:05,700
Yeah, I like that.
Well.

839
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,100
Jeff, you look like you're
thinking.

840
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:13,500
You stink.
Yeah.

841
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:17,300
Sorry thinking listen and
multitasking Rosen.

842
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,700
I don't know man.
The only thing really It seems

843
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:27,200
like the the bioluminescent
thing is like the thing.

844
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,900
That's The most impossible but
it's really not.

845
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,400
I guess, the more I think about
it.

846
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:39,800
I just depends on how strong
right bioluminescence in

847
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:43,000
creatures that are not in the
deepest.

848
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,500
Parts of the ocean are not that
bright, you know, and it's

849
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:51,600
mostly used as a warning, not
necessarily used for offensive

850
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,200
thing, more defensive thing.
Well, my, I'm kind of thinking

851
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,900
that but also like, what, Jake
brought up, right?

852
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,000
If it's in a mind, they could
Accidentally opened up into a

853
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,700
cavern system, right?
That's just been cut off from

854
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:08,800
the surface forever, you know.
So like it's possible that

855
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,200
something existed down there and
it has some form of

856
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,000
bioluminescence that we're just
not aware of, you know, and it's

857
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,600
some weird reptile or, you know,
mammal creature or something,

858
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,200
you know what I mean?
Like, yeah, it's possible.

859
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:25,700
It's possible.
Still think it's probably

860
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:29,300
bullshit.
Yeah.

861
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:35,100
I I agree actually, but I think,
you know to what Jeremy said.

862
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,900
You know, we see these fish at
the bottom of the ocean and

863
00:52:37,900 --> 00:52:42,000
stuff and the, the
bioluminescence isn't You know,

864
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,100
amazingly strong.
But in an area where there's

865
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:51,800
absolutely no light it's like a
it's like a star sticker on a

866
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:54,900
young kid ceiling where it, you
know, it glows in the dark and

867
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:58,100
stuff like that.
If you turn on the lights, it's

868
00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:00,500
still glowing.
It just not very you can't

869
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:03,800
really even see it until you
completely shut out all the

870
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,300
lights and then you could put
picking out a room, it's the

871
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:10,800
brightest thing, right?
Obviously, but I mean, maybe

872
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,300
that there's a reason why this
thing Was seen at night and it

873
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:19,500
was noticed that it had this big
glowing spot on its head.

874
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:23,100
Maybe it was for you know,
defensive situations or

875
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:25,600
something like that, not
necessarily so that it could

876
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,800
see.
And that would also make sense

877
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:33,200
why you know the maybe I just
kind of zoned out but I think

878
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,000
Jeremy you said that all the
incidents happened at night.

879
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:39,900
Yes.
So it's nocturnal because that's

880
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:42,700
what it's used to.
Maybe the light in the daytime

881
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:44,300
is too bright.
Right for it.

882
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:49,500
So it acts like most animals
that lives living caves right,

883
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:52,500
where it comes out at night,
specifically bats, right?

884
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:59,600
In this circumstance.
But yeah, I mean, especially in

885
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,500
1900 1910 1903 and all those
1900's.

886
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:07,100
It's not like they had, you
know, City Lights.

887
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:11,100
Like we do.
We have all kinds of what's it

888
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,400
called when you're trying to
look at the stars and it's all,

889
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,900
you know, deafened by how bright
it is, like the ocean, the light

890
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:19,600
pollution, thank you.
So, you know, it would be more

891
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,600
or less.
The sun's going down, it's time

892
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,500
to go to bed, you know.
Maybe we have a couple lights on

893
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:29,300
in the house or something like
that, I don't really know when

894
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:33,200
the popularity of electricity
kind of came full swing to wear

895
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,700
smaller towns like that would
have had electricity.

896
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:41,300
But yeah, I mean but I'm sure it
was expensive and all kinds of

897
00:54:41,308 --> 00:54:44,400
stuff so I mean I don't know
it's lined up for me man.

898
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:51,700
It's not still not striking a
huge blow to Nothing that I

899
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:55,800
stand behind and even still the
the topic of Hollow Earth.

900
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:58,400
You know what?
I just found out recently which

901
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,300
I probably should have known
already during the biblical fret

902
00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:04,700
flood.
Where did the water come from?

903
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:08,700
Check Russian was on the ground.
That's it.

904
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:11,800
It came from underground.
The Earth cracked open in the

905
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,300
flood waters.
Came from underground.

906
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:18,400
It was raining for 40 days but
the W floodwaters came from

907
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,800
underground.
So then what populated those

908
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,400
Hollow voids or is there more to
that?

909
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,800
And it was just like you know,
the rivers and lakes and oceans

910
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,500
underground.
So even still I think that this

911
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:34,000
is awesome.
The cool topic, you know,

912
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,500
because this is most of the As
we talked about with the

913
00:55:36,508 --> 00:55:39,400
exception, like Bigfoot, I'm
just like, this is ridiculous.

914
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,500
This is crap.
You know, all the sort of stuff.

915
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:46,400
This one's the most likely in my
mind, that it could be a thing,

916
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,700
especially since it's not a
little bit of this, and a little

917
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:52,400
bit of that, it's not the Jersey
Devil where it's like, multiple

918
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,000
things combine to one.
It's not the Mothman.

919
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,200
It's not all these sorts of
things.

920
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,900
It in my mind has a pretty good
description of it.

921
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:05,800
And you know, maybe the
description was Soph.

922
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,500
It's not a beam of light.
It was just a spot of light but

923
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:11,100
even still.
That would have been incredibly

924
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:14,500
weird even today to see an
animal that would have something

925
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:16,300
like that.
You know, some form of

926
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:19,600
bioluminescence of it was
glowing or projecting light.

927
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:23,400
You know, you might say it was
the same thing because I guess

928
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,600
glowing could be projecting
light, but maybe not spotlight.

929
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:31,300
All right, I think we're good.
I was just gonna say there's

930
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:34,000
over a thousand caves in Iowa
apparently to.

931
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,500
So, yeah, I mean it was known
for its coal mining, man, I'm

932
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,500
digging the hollow Earth idea to
I went up again.

933
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:47,300
Like there's I think we've
mentioned it on the show before

934
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,900
Jeff brought it up.
There's right Stingrays and

935
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:53,400
whatnot that come from these
underground.

936
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,600
Oceans and through different
caverns and what not I I

937
00:56:57,700 --> 00:57:00,300
Surprised if there's something
in a cave, too.

938
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,600
We pretty cool.
So, here goes the question.

939
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:06,900
Do we want to make this a long
episode or do we want to make it

940
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:10,700
too?
We want to make it too because

941
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:12,200
we're going to record them both
tonight then.

942
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,500
Whoa.
Hold on, bro.

943
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,300
I got, I got three pages left.
We can make this a long long

944
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:19,100
episode.
Then.

945
00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:21,000
All right, here we go.
Ready?

946
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:23,500
Yeah, I don't want to talk,
okay.

947
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:29,300
All right, all right, all right,
rebuttals on October 5th, 1903.

948
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:31,400
And article is ran by the Des
Moines.

949
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,300
Daily News, the same paper that
ran the articles by h.h.

950
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:40,100
Phillips, covering the events in
fan m in his new article that

951
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:43,300
came out a day later than
Phillips last article and

952
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:48,300
Anonymous freelance writer.
Submitted a rebuttal piece of

953
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:51,800
newspaper.
In this short writing the author

954
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,600
describes how Phillips
over-exaggerated the claims of

955
00:57:54,607 --> 00:57:58,200
what was happening in Van Meter.
The author did however, admit

956
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,600
that there were lights and
strange noises scaring the crap

957
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,000
out.
Out of people and mr.

958
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,800
Dunn did shoot the window out of
the bank after being startled

959
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,900
while on guard.
But all these issues were being

960
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:12,400
caused by some sort of robber or
prankster.

961
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:14,700
Now, let's look at this for a
minute.

962
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,800
I would assume that whoever
wrote, this was from Van Meter

963
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,000
that I do believe, but to think
this was all done by a person or

964
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,800
group of people who planned on
committing nefarious, acts might

965
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,500
be a stretch.
If this was someone out to take

966
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:33,500
advantage of the town, then they
sure got shot at a lot.

967
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,500
This seems to be true as the
mysterious author.

968
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:40,600
Did mention the use of guns you
would think that after the first

969
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,400
few, they would get the hint
when you take this into

970
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,300
consideration and then add that
mitt that when mr.

971
00:58:47,300 --> 00:58:52,500
Dunn fired, his shotgun Point
Blank out the window at a figure

972
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:56,500
shining a light atom and how
there was no signs of injury to

973
00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:59,000
be.
And the next day I start to feel

974
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,900
less convinced.
I mean, have you ever seen a

975
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:04,900
human bleed?
We bleed a lot and it doesn't

976
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:07,600
take much.
You would think that anyone on

977
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,300
the other side of that window
pane that just got blasted by a

978
00:59:10,308 --> 00:59:13,300
shotgun would have a minimum
been cut by glass.

979
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:17,800
The signs of blood droplets
would be noticeable a day later.

980
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,000
Another article was published
but this time the Des Moines

981
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,300
daily Capital stating again that
this was a hoax brought on by

982
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:28,300
Phillips.
Now, a To reading this article,

983
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,500
I would say this is more an
article from The View Point

984
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:36,400
outside of Van Meter than that
is writing to dismiss what they

985
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,900
feel is crazy and unbelievable
nonsense, the opinion by many is

986
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:44,000
that these two articles are from
the same author, but I honestly

987
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,900
disagree.
The writing style is different.

988
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:51,600
The mannerisms used very and the
Viewpoint certainly does not

989
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,400
seem like it came from someone
inside Ground Zero.

990
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,800
Personally, I do not put a lot
of weight.

991
00:59:56,900 --> 01:00:00,600
Into these articles you may but
I don't eyewitness people

992
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,400
everyday unable to see the
truth.

993
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,300
Even if it's right in front of
their eyes.

994
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,300
The first article could have
been written by a person from

995
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:10,100
Van Meter that stayed in their
house during these three days or

996
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:13,000
someone who was a Hermit,
believe it or not, this happens,

997
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:16,000
some people just don't talk to
other people and miss out on

998
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,400
news from the community.
Both, a good thing and a Bad

999
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,500
Thing depending on what
specifically is being talked

1000
01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:22,200
about.
Then some people remain

1001
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:23,900
oblivious to everything going
on.

1002
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:26,900
All right, guys, what do you
guys think about the two?

1003
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,100
Kohl's.
I'm not a fan.

1004
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:38,500
It sounds like just not how I
was going to say.

1005
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:39,600
Hate speech.
It doesn't sound like hate

1006
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,500
speech.
It sounds like just hating on

1007
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:44,300
the story.
Yeah.

1008
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,000
Just like someone who just be
like this is dumb.

1009
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,100
This didn't happen.
You know, people do that shit

1010
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:54,200
too.
And like I read the articles,

1011
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,300
the book has the Articles and I
didn't want to read the whole

1012
01:00:56,300 --> 01:01:01,100
oracle's Jeff would freaking die
of exhaustion by the time I'm

1013
01:01:01,100 --> 01:01:03,400
done with them so summarizing
it.

1014
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,600
The first one sounds like it
came from somebody in Van Meter

1015
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,600
like they were able to talk
about certain things, certain

1016
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,900
events and go a little bit more
into detail about those events

1017
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:19,100
none of which is like really
took away from the fact that

1018
01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:21,200
this could be a creature.
I think.

1019
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:24,000
That this was a situation where
that person was just used to

1020
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,200
having people come into town,
that were little shady and, you

1021
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,400
know, bank robberies, and the
old Wild Wild West was probably

1022
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,200
still thing back there in 1903.
So I think that's just, you

1023
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,900
know, somebody was comfortable
with the idea of this, not being

1024
01:01:38,900 --> 01:01:42,400
some crazy creepy monster.
And then the other article was

1025
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,100
just fucking useless.
It was absolutely stupid.

1026
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:48,100
It was definitely not somebody
from Van Meter.

1027
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,400
So, basically, the first one
could have been, you know,

1028
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,300
someone trying to put the story
to bed so that people would stop

1029
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:57,700
coming over and trying to
investigate themselves.

1030
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,100
That's true to that.
Could, that could be there could

1031
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:03,200
have been a good chunk of people
that want to go over there with

1032
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,500
guns one to kill themselves
monster.

1033
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,500
I thought it was just the guy
trying to write the story away

1034
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:13,000
and Explain it somehow.
Hmm.

1035
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,400
I like I like Jake's point of
view.

1036
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,700
I didn't think of that that
could definitely have been the

1037
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:18,500
reason.
What do you think?

1038
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:22,300
Jeff, you hate this story.
Don't, you know, I hate the

1039
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:24,000
story.
It's just like this part.

1040
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,600
The killer, it looks like it's
like, let's write an article.

1041
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,500
Let's let's do a podcast about
an article that's about an

1042
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:38,100
article.
Okay, I get it, I get it.

1043
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:40,400
What would you call these
Cryptids?

1044
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,400
The other day Pokemon.
Like you're doing another

1045
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,200
Pokemon episode.
I'll just sit out you fucker.

1046
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:52,000
You'd rather do an episode on a
paper.

1047
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,900
Reporting on a research paper
that someone did that, we have

1048
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:57,600
no idea who it was.
Yeah, yeah.

1049
01:02:58,700 --> 01:03:00,600
A big deal.
Same stuff but different.

1050
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,600
Same same but different?
Yeah, same same, but different

1051
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:15,700
I'm just saying we I'm sure
about a thousand articles.

1052
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:18,100
Yeah.
All right, let's move on.

1053
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:19,900
Let's get Jeff the bed.
He's getting cranky.

1054
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:25,000
I love you, Jeff.
You're good people for Jeffrey.

1055
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,200
All right, misidentification of
known animals.

1056
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:30,900
The first thing that comes to
mind is a person who believes

1057
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:33,600
in.
Occam's razor is that this was a

1058
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,100
simple case in this
identification.

1059
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:37,600
You better?
Hold on, it's not that easy.

1060
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:39,500
What do we know about this
creature?

1061
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,500
That we haven't already gone
over?

1062
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,900
How about the way it moves?
If we look at two moot moments

1063
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:49,100
in these encounters, with the
visitor, we see two very

1064
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:52,100
specific forms of motion the way
it came down.

1065
01:03:52,100 --> 01:03:54,900
The telephone pole, like a
parrot, and a way it ran on all

1066
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:58,800
fours before flying away.
Let's look at the former first.

1067
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:01,600
There is nothing.
The size reported for the

1068
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:05,400
creature from Van Meter in the
present world that uses its

1069
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,100
mouth to climb down a pole or
tree or anything the parent

1070
01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:11,300
does.
But they dwarf this Beast,

1071
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:15,100
incredibly and I would find it
very hard for anyone to

1072
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:19,400
misidentifying 8 to 12-inch
parrot with an 8-foot Van Meter

1073
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,900
visitor.
So let's look at the letter the

1074
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,700
the way it moved.
Now only one person saw this

1075
01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:29,000
thing.
Take off after getting down from

1076
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,600
the pole and that was Sidney
Greg.

1077
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,000
Now, remember mr.
White sauce on the pole, but

1078
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,100
after the smell arrived, he was
battling other issues.

1079
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,100
Couldn't focus but let's first
assume that mr.

1080
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:41,000
Greg was right and it did run on
all fours.

1081
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,300
My first question would be
worthy arms attached through

1082
01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:48,500
Wing like that of a bat or were
these separate appendages

1083
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:53,300
completely independent of ways.
Animals with wings and four

1084
01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:57,000
appendages, do not exist.
That we know of the only way

1085
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,500
they do is in very small flying
lizards, which don't fly but

1086
01:05:00,500 --> 01:05:03,600
rather Glide and in the world of
dragons and Griffin's.

1087
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:07,500
So Ethically, I don't think that
would be the case.

1088
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,700
So, let's look at animals that
have their arms and wings

1089
01:05:10,700 --> 01:05:14,700
combined, like, birds, and bats.
Then, let's see who runs on all

1090
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:16,800
fours, and we are left with
bats.

1091
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:21,700
Birds just don't use their wings
as a tool for ground movement.

1092
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,300
But is there a bat that can fit
into the other characteristics

1093
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:29,100
of the Van Meter visitor?
Know, there just isn't, they are

1094
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:32,000
either too small furry, no light
Illuminating from their head and

1095
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,700
they don't use their mouths as a
way to get down telephone poles.

1096
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,700
So, my answer to this question,
could this be a case of

1097
01:05:37,707 --> 01:05:44,600
misidentification of a known
animal is simply just know My

1098
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:49,000
only argument is there are bats
with wingspans up to six feet

1099
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:52,600
and there could have been a
maybe a bigger bat at that time.

1100
01:05:52,700 --> 01:05:56,400
So do you know the rule of
winged creature?

1101
01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:00,500
You know, the rules.
So if this thing was standing

1102
01:06:00,500 --> 01:06:05,000
eight feet tall like mr.
Greg was saying that it stood

1103
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,100
its, its wing size could have
easily been 30 feet?

1104
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,300
Oh yeah, that that I understand.
Excuse me.

1105
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:15,600
Sorry, that I understand.
And but like I'm just saying

1106
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,800
maybe it was a bat species.
That was around, then that isn't

1107
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,500
around now that we didn't know
about maybe that was just doing

1108
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:26,200
some weird shit on the telephone
pole, okay.

1109
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:30,700
It did say that this was, you
know, the high school teacher

1110
01:06:30,700 --> 01:06:33,600
did say that this was probably
an animal that was from before

1111
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,400
there was pre-flood.
And you know as far as we know

1112
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:43,800
there was megafauna pre-flood.
So could there have been Bats,

1113
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:48,000
that were much, much bigger.
I mean, sure, but same time.

1114
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:51,600
I think that they would be
pretty much like the bats we

1115
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:58,300
have now which still the bats we
have now don't really run on all

1116
01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:02,600
fours.
Their joints aren't really

1117
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:09,900
shaped that way in their legs
but even still, I think maybe

1118
01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:12,300
some of them stand.
I'm not 100% sure on this.

1119
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:13,900
I've seen some pictures of
little flying.

1120
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:16,900
Foxes that Ken's are was talking
about, so I actually water like

1121
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:20,500
an app ton of.
Videos about bats motion on

1122
01:07:20,500 --> 01:07:23,100
ground.
Yeah, a lot of them, a lot of

1123
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:26,800
them, if not all the ones I saw
move just like a wyvern would

1124
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:30,300
like from Mark really?
It's like, oh yeah, that's

1125
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:32,100
where.
That's where art got that

1126
01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:38,100
movement from, No Doubt.
Okay, but my killer for bats

1127
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,000
one, they don't have a long as
beak.

1128
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,300
Like this thing.
Did everybody who saw it, right?

1129
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:47,100
Basically described it as having
a very large, be course now or

1130
01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:49,600
whatever it is.
They use, they have like these

1131
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,200
flat faces.
Now, you have that foxbat, you

1132
01:07:52,207 --> 01:07:54,700
know, really big one.
Yeah, I don't know.

1133
01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:57,000
It's exact name.
But face looks like a fox and

1134
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,400
it's got a little bit of a
snout.

1135
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,700
That's the only one.
But I mean even then it's only

1136
01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:03,400
like, four inches.
It's not long.

1137
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:07,900
Yeah, I'm not.
I'm also not leaning towards a

1138
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,600
mistaken identity.
I don't You know, I'm leaning

1139
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:17,600
towards the tarragon or
something like it because

1140
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:22,300
truthfully we do know that
parrots do that you know they

1141
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:24,800
use their beak and they kind of
grab and they shift their legs

1142
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,200
down and they grab further down
in the ship, their legs down and

1143
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,600
stuff like that.
Who knows what sort of other

1144
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:35,800
animals that used to exist?
You know, Put that in quotes if

1145
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:41,600
you want that also did that with
their you know, beaks or their

1146
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,200
mouths.
It's hard to say.

1147
01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:49,500
But yeah I'm definitely on board
with this being of being a

1148
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:55,399
flipping which McCullough do you
know giant flying reptile.

1149
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:58,899
That didn't go extinct.
You know?

1150
01:08:59,500 --> 01:09:03,100
Yeah, I don't know she's cool
hates these Toppers.

1151
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,200
You can see it in his face was
not the Cryptid guy always

1152
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,600
actually I'm just looking at
different lizards because I

1153
01:09:09,608 --> 01:09:13,200
think if anything would be a
lizard it wouldn't be a bat

1154
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,800
reptile and that's what I don't
know.

1155
01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:19,500
President weird cave reptile, it
doesn't ever see the light of

1156
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:23,399
day and they just happen to pawn
it on accident.

1157
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,100
Yeah, yeah.
But the biggest reptiles we have

1158
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:27,500
on Earth.
Don't fly.

1159
01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:31,300
But, you know, it doesn't mean
that that couldn't happen,

1160
01:09:31,300 --> 01:09:32,800
right.
I mean, like Jeremy was saying

1161
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,899
there are these lizards I'm
looking at him right here.

1162
01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:36,600
You know that?
Well they Glide.

1163
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:42,600
Yeah, that Glide right.
So I mean you could have one of

1164
01:09:42,608 --> 01:09:46,500
these like I said living in a
cave just totally cut off from

1165
01:09:46,500 --> 01:09:48,700
the rest of evolution if you
will.

1166
01:09:48,700 --> 01:09:56,400
And Maybe like, I actually
watched a little thing about the

1167
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,600
Komodo dragon.
And that the reason why they

1168
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,900
look so bumpy is because those
are bone protrusions all over

1169
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:08,300
its body, that act like some
sort of a, you know, a shield,

1170
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,300
right?
So I don't know.

1171
01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:12,400
Let's talk about Jeff's Point.
What if there were something?

1172
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,900
The size of one of those things,
which they are the size of

1173
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:18,800
alligators.
They're huge and they can run

1174
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,200
pretty, dang fast.
You can actually get Chase down

1175
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,700
by one and then, you know, get
your arms ripped off, but but it

1176
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:30,800
has a, it can glide, right?
It has those flaps of skin and

1177
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,300
its sides that protrude out.
That allow it to Glide.

1178
01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:36,800
If that was the case, then it
would certainly have to have a

1179
01:10:36,808 --> 01:10:40,700
running start in order to make
that Glide possible.

1180
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,700
Yeah.
Which I would think that the

1181
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:47,700
description would be different
but that would, you know,

1182
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:51,600
certainly land claim to it,
doing that sort of stuff.

1183
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,500
But again, I don't know if those
things.

1184
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,700
Well they do climb.
I've definitely seen ones like

1185
01:10:58,100 --> 01:11:00,400
up higher than they should be
like on top of cabinets and

1186
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,500
stuff but I don't know.
Interesting, are you guys ready

1187
01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:08,400
to move on to my next option?
I'll I got to two paragraphs

1188
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,900
left Jeff.
So that's good for you and I

1189
01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:13,600
think you're going to like these
to these are more up the last

1190
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,400
ones up Jeff's wheelhouse this
one Jeff Jeff will deal with

1191
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,800
this.
You'll like this one.

1192
01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:24,900
How about he's in their book.
Louis Voss and Nelson touch on

1193
01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:26,700
the subject of
extraterrestrials.

1194
01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:29,000
And I think this is a very
important topic to talk about

1195
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,900
with the Van Meter visitor.
First, let's look at the light

1196
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:37,300
orbs, white lights, and
mysterious flashes have been

1197
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:40,600
associated with abduction, and
Alien Encounter, since recorded

1198
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,200
history on the subject, lights
are so common.

1199
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,300
That I cannot even come up with
one single encounter, where a

1200
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:51,200
light, whether it seemed to move
independently, or was attached

1201
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,600
to some UFO sorts, but what
about the Caption the creature

1202
01:11:55,900 --> 01:11:59,500
one subject that I need to stop
putting aside is the idea of

1203
01:11:59,500 --> 01:12:02,500
screen memories.
As I reported in many other

1204
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:06,000
episodes, a screen memory can be
one of two things, it could be a

1205
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,900
false memory, put into place by
a being such as an

1206
01:12:08,900 --> 01:12:12,000
extraterrestrial to cover up
certain important details of

1207
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,500
their devious acts.
This is commonly an owl or other

1208
01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:19,400
Woodland Critters like dear
squirrel or a scream member can

1209
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,200
also be self-induced.
This means that you can witness

1210
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,500
something so crazy that your
mind.

1211
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,000
Early blocks it from your from
you witnessing it, and replaces

1212
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,500
the image in your memory with
something else.

1213
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:35,100
Both have been extensively
studied and both seem very

1214
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:38,000
plausible.
Another aspect that comes.

1215
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,100
That comes common with alien
encounters, is the smell of

1216
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:46,400
sulfur in the outline of events.
A terrible smell was mentioned a

1217
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,100
few times by different people.
People who have undergone

1218
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:53,900
hypnotherapy are other
regressive memory techniques and

1219
01:12:53,900 --> 01:12:56,900
have reportedly uncovered, a
hidden alien abduction event in

1220
01:12:56,900 --> 01:12:59,900
their lives.
Often described a putrid smell

1221
01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:03,600
just before and after the
encounter, this is often thought

1222
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,900
to be the way that whatever
these things are that are

1223
01:13:06,900 --> 01:13:10,300
abducting us knock us out before
taking us to whatever.

1224
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:13,200
Wherever and whatever they do to
us.

1225
01:13:13,900 --> 01:13:16,900
Oh, V white, who was the man,
who fell asleep in the room

1226
01:13:16,900 --> 01:13:18,700
above his store.
And first saw the creature on

1227
01:13:18,708 --> 01:13:22,000
top of the telephone pole
described after shooting at it,

1228
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:26,000
that there was an intense smell
that overcame him and Confused

1229
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,200
him.
Could this be the same smell?

1230
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,000
That is associated with
extraterrestrial contact?

1231
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:33,900
Could this be why every time
someone shot at the thing?

1232
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,400
It didn't faze it at all.
Could it have actually bent?

1233
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,700
Could it have actually been
there?

1234
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,000
Or was it just a A physical
memory place there to cover up

1235
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,900
the actual image of the glowing
orb commonly associated with

1236
01:13:46,900 --> 01:13:50,200
alien abduction stories.
I love this possibility, and I

1237
01:13:50,208 --> 01:13:52,600
believe that it could really
hold some weight here.

1238
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:59,100
Not a chance.
Are you calling Whitley strieber

1239
01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:02,000
a liar?
Because he smelt cardboard and

1240
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,000
cinnamon.
He did all that that was during

1241
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,400
the encounter.
But I mean, not all alien.

1242
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:11,900
Abduction.
Stories is like Whitley

1243
01:14:11,900 --> 01:14:14,100
streamers.
That it's a very unique one.

1244
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:19,100
It is very very funny.
I really liked him in the least.

1245
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:22,800
Yeah.
Jeffrey.

1246
01:14:22,900 --> 01:14:24,900
And you think Buddy.
Nah dude.

1247
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:30,500
I mean, if extraterrestrials are
real, and they are coming here

1248
01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:33,300
from across the Galaxy, or
whatever the universe, like

1249
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:38,100
they're not coming in that form.
They're not coming in a form in

1250
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:43,200
the form of a freaking Dragon.
Know they were coming as an orb

1251
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,100
guy or I was in or okay.
Maybe maybe.

1252
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,700
What about just like that movie
future War?

1253
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,000
I just watched it again the
other day.

1254
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,900
Where they were passengers on
the alien spacecraft that

1255
01:14:53,900 --> 01:14:57,900
crashed here and somehow got way
down deep underground.

1256
01:14:58,100 --> 01:15:00,600
And then through coal mining,
they released it from the ship.

1257
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,400
Future war.
Huh, could be.

1258
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,400
Yeah, I can guess your watch
that.

1259
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:06,900
Yeah, he should.
It's awesome.

1260
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,200
Honestly though, man.
Like the erasing of History

1261
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,500
around that time around the turn
of the century, right?

1262
01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:17,500
Like that, in my mind is playing
a big part in all of this shit,

1263
01:15:17,500 --> 01:15:19,900
right?
Any of these stories that we

1264
01:15:19,900 --> 01:15:24,100
find and that time period, I'm
automatically like, yo, what did

1265
01:15:24,100 --> 01:15:26,100
they erase that have to do with
this?

1266
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:30,200
Because if you go deep enough
into like the mud floods and in

1267
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:34,400
the you know, tutorial and all
that shit, you'll realize like

1268
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:35,900
you know, right at the turn of
the century dude.

1269
01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:37,800
Everything that we thought we
knew like we don't even know

1270
01:15:37,808 --> 01:15:40,100
what year it is.
Like we think it's 2023, it's

1271
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:46,200
probably not it's probably like
10 23, you know, like crazy shit

1272
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,900
so.
Well Jeff, you always talk

1273
01:15:48,900 --> 01:15:52,700
about, you know, whenever
someone brings up

1274
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,200
extraterrestrials, you say,
well, yeah, extra Tara.

1275
01:15:56,900 --> 01:16:00,000
Right, right?
So, could these things be from

1276
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:04,000
on the other side, the ice wall,
if it's really quiet and there

1277
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,000
is land beyond the eyes making
sure they can be there.

1278
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:09,700
The can talk about that in
relation to the hollow Earth and

1279
01:16:09,700 --> 01:16:11,500
stuff, you know.
Yeah.

1280
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:17,300
All those things apply mean.
That out not a chance of.

1281
01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:18,800
They're aliens though.
All right.

1282
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,800
I just there's so many more
possibilities.

1283
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,500
Did that you jump that these
beings came from across the

1284
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:26,800
universe?
Like, I'm just like, dude,

1285
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,900
there's so many other things
that could, that are more

1286
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:31,100
realistic than.
Are they flew across the

1287
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:32,200
universe?
All right.

1288
01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:37,000
Yeah, duh yeah.
Dumbass however, use their light

1289
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,200
to illuminate their way through
the Blackness of space, then

1290
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,700
they probably would be orbs of
light.

1291
01:16:42,700 --> 01:16:45,500
If you can travel the universe,
you probably would be light.

1292
01:16:45,500 --> 01:16:50,300
So I'm With that, I don't know.
What about Ultra terrestrial

1293
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:54,800
Chef like time.
That's my next section.

1294
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,500
You ready?
All right, Ultra terrestrials

1295
01:16:57,900 --> 01:17:01,900
last one.
All right, while we are on the

1296
01:17:01,900 --> 01:17:04,500
subject of lights and the
unknown.

1297
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,400
I feel like I should point out
the abundance of Lights

1298
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:11,000
associated with, not only
ghosts, the orbs alien

1299
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,400
abductions, UFO, sightings and
yes, even Bigfoot encounters.

1300
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,200
But rather the Ones associated
with another being one.

1301
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:22,300
That lives in the land Fringe of
our existence and between the

1302
01:17:22,308 --> 01:17:26,500
physical and spiritual Realms.
The one that live in another, in

1303
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:30,500
perceivable, dimension to
humanize, alter terrestrials are

1304
01:17:30,500 --> 01:17:35,400
the one Topic in 40 and topics
that we know the least amount

1305
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:40,200
least about and the best sources
of information on these beings

1306
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,500
are through the works of John
Keel and Jacques Vallee.

1307
01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:48,900
You pronounced it right?
Jacques Vallee these Ultra

1308
01:17:48,900 --> 01:17:52,300
terrestrials come in.
All different shapes and sizes.

1309
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,100
Why is that?
Nobody knows.

1310
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:58,100
But the best guess is come from.
How the witnesses perceive?

1311
01:17:58,100 --> 01:18:00,800
Or how they wish to be perceived
by the witness.

1312
01:18:01,100 --> 01:18:04,800
And just like all other topics
of the unknown, they are often

1313
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,800
accompanied by various forms of
light for a very, and I mean,

1314
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,500
very brief moment.
I will touch on them as it

1315
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:15,700
Associates with the van visitor,
from Van Meter, Everything else

1316
01:18:15,700 --> 01:18:18,000
will be saved for future
episode, where we dive into

1317
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,800
subject on its own in the
future.

1318
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:24,300
First thing, I would like to
point out is the sound that this

1319
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:27,100
creature made.
It was described as a scream or

1320
01:18:27,100 --> 01:18:31,500
drawn-out, high-pitched howl.
Now, since all three

1321
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:35,300
terrestrials, as defined by John
Keel live in a dimension without

1322
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:39,100
time, they communicate in ways
that we cannot perceive and when

1323
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:41,300
they speak or make sounds, they
end up doing.

1324
01:18:41,300 --> 01:18:44,600
So in a way, that sounds very
weird to the human ear They

1325
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,600
attempt to slow down their
voice, which ends up coming out

1326
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,600
as a screeching sound.
Mixed with very fast paced

1327
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,700
speech in a language.
We can understand this has been

1328
01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:55,900
described in encounters with
gray aliens.

1329
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:58,200
Spirits, Jin, disembodied,
voices.

1330
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,200
Yes even Bigfoot as well as
other forms of paranormal

1331
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,300
entities, he'll summarized it
like this, in his famous book,

1332
01:19:05,500 --> 01:19:10,400
The Mothman Prophecies quote,
their rapid fire unintelligible.

1333
01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:14,400
Quote language, noted by
Witnesses all over the world as

1334
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:18,800
Being like a speeding up of a
phonograph record could be

1335
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,400
caused by their failure to
adjust to our time cycle.

1336
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,500
When they enter our space-time
Continuum.

1337
01:19:23,900 --> 01:19:26,300
They are talking at a different
rate because their time is

1338
01:19:26,300 --> 01:19:28,900
different from ours.
When they managed to adjust,

1339
01:19:28,900 --> 01:19:32,300
they have to forcibly slow
themselves down articulating,

1340
01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:34,800
their word slowly in a sing-song
manner.

1341
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,200
Now I would like to dive into
their form that they are seen

1342
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,300
in.
Well, specifically, the Van

1343
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:43,300
Meter visitor, it is said that
the all terrestrials will show

1344
01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:47,500
themselves in forms that We can
comprehend think of what a being

1345
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:52,400
from outside our Dimensions made
up of XYZ axis and time might

1346
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,500
look.
Like whatever you're thinking is

1347
01:19:54,500 --> 01:19:58,200
most likely wrong before May
literally be something we cannot

1348
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,800
perceive.
And with these beings having the

1349
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,200
ability of visitors visiting our
Dimension, their physics may

1350
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:08,300
have to play along and the forms
that they take are thought to

1351
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:10,500
derive directly from the
collective consciousness of

1352
01:20:10,500 --> 01:20:14,200
those that witness them This
area of Iowa, in 1903 was

1353
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,800
heavily populated with German
immigrants and the fact alone

1354
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:22,300
brought some very interesting
finds that lu��s Vaz Nelson wrote

1355
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:26,200
about in their book.
The Van Meter visitor in summary

1356
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,100
like many cultures from around
the world, German folklore is

1357
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:33,500
full of mysterious creatures.
And one said creature, is the

1358
01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:37,500
Haber Geiss, which we touched
briefly on in our episode on the

1359
01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:41,900
lore of Krampus as is part of
the Austrian law as well in the

1360
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:45,600
Times of pagans, this Haber
Gaius was known as a spirit of

1361
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,500
fields and crops and was called
up in Fall.

1362
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:52,500
As part of a celebration to
ensure a good harvest and the

1363
01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:55,800
description of this creature was
a man-sized bird with a blunt

1364
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,800
horn on its head.
It made strange sounds and ruled

1365
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,800
the dead of night.
Sound familiar.

1366
01:21:01,300 --> 01:21:04,200
What if the visitor was one of
these Ultra terrestrials which

1367
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,300
chose the physical description
of a Haber guys do to the

1368
01:21:07,300 --> 01:21:10,800
beliefs of the people that were
currently living in the area and

1369
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,100
to add just one more?
Or parallel, the visitors Terror

1370
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:17,100
on Van Meter happened at the end
of September and at the

1371
01:21:17,108 --> 01:21:21,100
beginning of October, the same
timeframe that Pagan Germany

1372
01:21:21,300 --> 01:21:23,900
would be celebrating and
watching out for the Haver guys,

1373
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,700
still not convinced.
What if I were to tell you that

1374
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:30,200
there was another aspect to
incidents involving supposed

1375
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,500
Ultra terrestrials.
The smell of sulfur.

1376
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,900
The smell that has been
described as fire and brimstone

1377
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,600
around Cemetery.
Guardian Spirits skunk Apes of

1378
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,700
Florida Grey Alien Encounter And
of course our flying monster and

1379
01:21:43,700 --> 01:21:44,800
Van Meter IA.
Iowa.

1380
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,000
That's enough on trestles for
today.

1381
01:21:48,500 --> 01:21:51,000
Maura come on a future episode
of infinite Ravenel.

1382
01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:56,800
The end.
So you mean demons that project

1383
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:07,100
themselves as the cult gods of
pagans That's a very yes but

1384
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:10,900
also much more than that, you
know what I'm saying?

1385
01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:17,600
That's a very like Simple way to
think about that.

1386
01:22:17,900 --> 01:22:19,300
And I don't mean that in an
offensive way.

1387
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:21,700
I just mean like there is much
more to that.

1388
01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:23,900
Yes, I would say.
That's the Jinn.

1389
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:26,300
That is the trickster.
We've talked about this before

1390
01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:29,300
so that actually makes a lot of
sense to me, right?

1391
01:22:29,300 --> 01:22:31,900
The demon, this this makes
sense.

1392
01:22:32,700 --> 01:22:34,100
I had a feeling you were going
to like that one.

1393
01:22:34,500 --> 01:22:37,700
Yeah.
That's it, guys.

1394
01:22:37,700 --> 01:22:40,000
That is all that I have about
the Van Meter visitor,

1395
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,700
everything that you can know
about it.

1396
01:22:41,700 --> 01:22:44,800
Everything every angle that I
can come up with has all been

1397
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,500
put on the table, that's it.
You know what this means, you

1398
01:22:48,508 --> 01:22:51,800
know, got to put in our bucket
list items that were going to go

1399
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,500
to.
I guess I can't get out of the

1400
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:57,200
pod cast yet, because we're
going to have to go to Iowa, to

1401
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,200
dig around in all the caves look
for bones.

1402
01:23:01,300 --> 01:23:04,100
Well, cycle suck, because you're
leaving.

1403
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:12,000
I'm telling you if I you know
what that means though, if I

1404
01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:16,200
take a camping trip to Northern
California again and I find any

1405
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,400
sort of Bigfoot track ways and
stuff like that, and find all

1406
01:23:18,407 --> 01:23:20,500
this evidence of them.
And I'm going to have to start

1407
01:23:20,500 --> 01:23:24,000
my own show and thank you, tell
me and be like, oh, you said I

1408
01:23:24,008 --> 01:23:29,000
was done with the show.
So you said you were done with

1409
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,200
the show.
Yeah.

1410
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,400
And yeah, you guys firm didn't
kick me out.

1411
01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:34,500
Yeah, yeah.
You said I was fired.

1412
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,500
Come back.
Alright.

1413
01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:37,400
Final thoughts.
Kid.

1414
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,700
Let's go with you first since
you didn't talk much today?

1415
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,500
No, I didn't.
I was honestly quite enjoying

1416
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:50,100
the story.
I honestly like the inner earth

1417
01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:56,200
being hollow Earth theory here
especially because it's a coal

1418
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,000
mining area.
There's lots of caves in the

1419
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,600
area.
It just in my mind.

1420
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:06,100
It just fits and it's it works.
So that's the one I'm going to

1421
01:24:06,108 --> 01:24:11,900
go with I dig it.
When them, let's go.

1422
01:24:11,900 --> 01:24:20,000
Jacob.
I am not going to say that it's

1423
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:26,700
not some cave-dwelling reptile
leaning more towards though,

1424
01:24:26,700 --> 01:24:34,600
that it more likely was maybe
one of five of just

1425
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:36,800
unextinguishable flying
reptiles.

1426
01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:42,000
Not not necessarily that it came
from the hollow Earth, but maybe

1427
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:46,500
it just Resided in caves because
in the area is pretty flat or,

1428
01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:48,700
you know, nothing really going
on.

1429
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,700
So in order to protect itself,
it would have lived in a cave

1430
01:24:51,700 --> 01:24:56,500
type system and then we have no
idea what dinosaurs, you know,

1431
01:24:56,700 --> 01:24:58,600
had on their, their bodies,
their skin.

1432
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,600
You know, what sort of stuff
would it look like with the

1433
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,500
exception of some that have been
discovered, that still have

1434
01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:06,500
their skin, but it was more
like, you know, thick plates,

1435
01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:09,800
thick plated scales and stuff
like that where it actually

1436
01:25:10,100 --> 01:25:14,000
survived their fault.
Ization and stuff.

1437
01:25:16,100 --> 01:25:19,000
Made it rot away till it's just
bones and it was covered with

1438
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:24,800
sand or whatever.
But yeah, I dig the story.

1439
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,900
I liked being able to, you know,
the way you broke it down and

1440
01:25:27,900 --> 01:25:31,100
being able to kind of just, you
know, talk out my thoughts and

1441
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:34,900
try to get a handle on stuff.
But I certainly think that this

1442
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:39,900
more than likely could have been
a real story.

1443
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:44,600
You know, and that's pretty cool
now.

1444
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,600
Could it be 100% fake?
Sure.

1445
01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:50,800
But you know, in regards to how
it was constructed, the

1446
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,400
description of the Beast and all
that sort of stuff.

1447
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,200
It certainly seems like it would
fit the description of a real

1448
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,200
animal.
Now, is that because as coal

1449
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:08,100
miners in 1903 in Iowa, they
uncovered the remains of a of a

1450
01:26:08,108 --> 01:26:11,200
teardown, you know.
And then Developed a story

1451
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,600
around, it could be right, could
it be?

1452
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,800
Because one Escape From The
Hollow Earth?

1453
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,900
I don't know, could be, you
know, I don't know.

1454
01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:25,000
I don't I don't really have a
handle on it, exactly where it

1455
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,200
came from or what it was but
certainly, it doesn't

1456
01:26:29,300 --> 01:26:31,000
immediately.
Check the blocks of this is

1457
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:35,800
made-up nonsense or folklore.
All right, Jeff.

1458
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,800
Final thoughts, interdimensional
Ultra terrestrials, you think

1459
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:48,900
so, probably or bullshit, Iowa
1903, it's either bullshit

1460
01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:53,500
because it's Iowa, 1903 or
interdimensional time traveling

1461
01:26:53,500 --> 01:26:57,500
Ultra terrestrial demons right
now.

1462
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:11,000
Just pick, pick everything D.
All of the above is complete,

1463
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:17,500
bullshit to dinner.
Was it extraterrestrial.

1464
01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:21,400
Altered terrestrial in the
dimensional time traveling.

1465
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:25,400
Traveling, Ultra terrestrial
demons, wharves, and traveled

1466
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,800
across the universe from the
hollow Earth.

1467
01:27:27,900 --> 01:27:36,900
Earth.
Pre-flood, my final thoughts.

1468
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:42,000
This is one of my absolute
favorites when it comes to a

1469
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:47,300
creature in the United States.
This is just a fantastic urban

1470
01:27:47,300 --> 01:27:50,300
legend.
I don't know if it's true.

1471
01:27:50,300 --> 01:27:53,600
I think that this one definitely
has a really good chance of

1472
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,100
being true.
I love it.

1473
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:58,800
I think that it's great.
The only That bothers me is the

1474
01:27:58,808 --> 01:28:00,100
light on the forehead, that's
it.

1475
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:01,800
Everything else?
Like if the light in the

1476
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,300
forehead wasn't a thing, I'd be
like, dude, this was a trend on

1477
01:28:04,700 --> 01:28:08,500
this was like somehow this thing
lived.

1478
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,400
I mean, if you look right now
there are some pictures online

1479
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:16,600
of like old western guys holding
up dead pteranodons, right?

1480
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:21,000
And I want to say, most of them
are probably fake, probably.

1481
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,400
Who knows?
One of them out there out of the

1482
01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:26,900
15 that you could bring up on
the Google search?

1483
01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:29,100
Maybe.
One of them is real, who knows?

1484
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:34,700
I think that they're definitely
could have been Pockets.

1485
01:28:34,700 --> 01:28:38,700
I mean, shoot, we still get
sightings of pteranodons.

1486
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,800
I mean, people still report
sightings of pteranodons.

1487
01:28:41,900 --> 01:28:45,000
It happens, right?
Could there be a small

1488
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:49,400
population?
I doubt there is any more but in

1489
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:53,500
1903 back when we were very
undeveloped, especially in that

1490
01:28:53,500 --> 01:28:56,400
area, I can see it.
I can see it.

1491
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:02,000
I definitely could I I just
can't get over the light.

1492
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:07,100
The light is the only thing I
just can't, I don't know.

1493
01:29:07,900 --> 01:29:11,400
I like the light because it
gives the Van Meter Pfister its

1494
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:15,000
image like that is the
personality of the Van Meter

1495
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,900
visitor is the light on the for
it, right?

1496
01:29:16,900 --> 01:29:19,800
You can look at anything anybody
that knows anything about

1497
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,400
cryptozoology, right?
You can look at anything and

1498
01:29:23,500 --> 01:29:27,300
you'd be like, oh, it's a A
bird, a big Crow, but it has

1499
01:29:27,300 --> 01:29:29,100
light instead, so that's
supposed to be the Van Meter

1500
01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:32,600
visitor, right?
Well, that's why I said the the

1501
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:37,300
lantern was stuck on a torn.
Yeah, maybe good possibility.

1502
01:29:37,300 --> 01:29:41,700
I mean, everything from them
saying that there was a dull

1503
01:29:41,700 --> 01:29:44,400
horn on its head.
I mean, pteranodons were known

1504
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:49,600
to have crests, I mean
something, some bird still do in

1505
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,900
fact, some some reptiles still
have a small crest.

1506
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,500
It's shoot even Bigfoot Has A
sagittal Crest.

1507
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,700
All right, let me this was it
just makes sense.

1508
01:30:03,700 --> 01:30:07,500
Everything just makes sense.
This was also not something that

1509
01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:10,900
was attacking the people right
now.

1510
01:30:10,900 --> 01:30:12,800
Could it have been fucking with
them?

1511
01:30:13,700 --> 01:30:16,700
Yes.
And I think that's where Jeff

1512
01:30:16,700 --> 01:30:19,900
has some weight here to the
ultra terrestrial idea.

1513
01:30:20,100 --> 01:30:21,900
I don't think it was enough to
terrestrial.

1514
01:30:21,900 --> 01:30:24,100
I don't think that they would
have bothered with anybody in

1515
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:27,300
1903 and Bumfuck, nowhere.
We're Iowa, you know, Ultra

1516
01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:30,900
terrestrials are kind of there,
they'll come around and

1517
01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:33,300
important times.
Like, when they start up the

1518
01:30:33,300 --> 01:30:38,500
hide hide, Ron collider in
Switzerland, you know, something

1519
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,700
like that's when an altar
terrestrials going to show up

1520
01:30:40,700 --> 01:30:44,600
and start fucking with things.
They're probably not going to

1521
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:45,700
go.
Do it in the middle of bumfuck.

1522
01:30:45,700 --> 01:30:49,800
Nowhere 1903 and a small mining
town of the house will keep lets

1523
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,800
you exist outside of time and
that's irrelevant.

1524
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,500
Yeah maybe maybe but what was
important?

1525
01:30:55,700 --> 01:30:58,300
Going on there in 1903.
The thing about Ultra

1526
01:30:58,300 --> 01:31:00,500
terrestrials, right?
And they say Mothman is an

1527
01:31:00,500 --> 01:31:07,600
altered terrestrial who comes
around during times of it's a

1528
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:11,500
harbinger of death, right?
The the bridge goes down, Silver

1529
01:31:11,500 --> 01:31:15,500
Bridge, and that separates Ohio
from Point Pleasant West

1530
01:31:15,500 --> 01:31:19,900
Virginia and the Mothman shows
up the Mothman is thought to be

1531
01:31:19,900 --> 01:31:24,500
in an altered terrestrial that
shows up during these things as

1532
01:31:24,500 --> 01:31:30,000
like a watcher.
Of history as it's made maybe if

1533
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,800
there's something that happened
out there who knows.

1534
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:42,600
Possibly a thing I'm saying and
I'm saying that the light is a

1535
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,900
fabricated part of the story
just to add Flair.

1536
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,600
You ever hear these stories?
I kind of give them the Mel's

1537
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:54,400
whole test in my brain and I'm
like how like Mel's hole is this

1538
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:58,500
story and this story is really
nothing like Mills whole, right?

1539
01:31:58,500 --> 01:32:03,600
Which is which is more than
likely it's real because Mel

1540
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:10,100
whole Mel's hole is as fake as
the day is long and it's just,

1541
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,300
you know, so it's like, well
probably has some validity to

1542
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:16,000
this 24 hours fake, right?
Yep.

1543
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,000
All right.
Well, what do you think

1544
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,500
Travelers?
Do you think that the Van Meter

1545
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:28,000
visitor is a flush and Bug
Cryptid that we should be

1546
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,100
looking into?
Do you think it was a creature

1547
01:32:31,100 --> 01:32:33,100
from the past?
Do you think it was a creature

1548
01:32:33,100 --> 01:32:35,600
from the stars?
Do you think it was a creature

1549
01:32:35,900 --> 01:32:40,400
from beyond our Dimensions?
Until next time everybody, we'll

1550
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:43,800
see you right back here.
Next Fork of the infinite Rabbit

1551
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,100
Hole.
Goodbye.

1552
01:32:45,700 --> 01:32:49,200
Bye-bye adi��s.