137. Black Hole Chats: Justin's Story

0:00 Hey Travelers before you enjoy this next episode, just want to give you a heads up in this recording, we discussed some very difficult topics topics such as drug use addiction and talks of suicide. If you'd rather not listen to this episode, please do not do. So we have plenty of other subjects for you to listen to in our catalog of episodes. And for those that do choose to continue listening listener, discretion. Is advised.

1:08 Welcome back to the infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I'm your host Jeremy and today me sitting down with family to show something I've been wanting to do for a long time. Before we do that, I just want to give a shout out one more time to our old co-host, Jeff as timeslip 84 for the new intro music, check it out. You just some good stuff. And I am very happy and very proud to be introducing my co-host for the night. Somebody who came Crawling Back to the infinite Rebel. He's not, he's not back back, he's not back by. I had him, come back for this particular chat. We'll get into all that later but Jake, welcome, you'd be making me cry if I showed emotion. Did it's good to be here.

1:56 What's up man? Do it. It's been a, it's a thing a has been like, what? Two months? Yes, I'm like that. But my God, I took enough time that I was able to finally finish my motorcycle and then it broke down again. It was badass, dude. Thanks man. Tell us a little bit about it. What color is it? It is. The actual coloring is called play Pagan gold but I so, yeah, I did a Cat eye, candy, Pagan, gold, kind of like lowrider style paint job on it. So a lot of the cool stenciling you get the Paisley type tablecloth or whatever and you're spraying the airbrush through that and doing all the cool Line work and bunch of honeycomb patterns or what not. And then I used all of the negative space and I filled it with Bible verses and Bible references like instead of my V-Star tank badges, right?

2:57 Because a Yamaha, And a Harley or anything. But instead of putting the tank badges on their, I put the big old Jesus fish with the cross in the middle of it. So you know, from a distance, you can see the really cool tricked-out paint jobs but as you get up in there, there's a, you know, the back Fender has a bunch of scale armor or bunch of scales on it says, put on the full armor of God, on the sides you have, I can do all things through Christ, you know, it has the Bible references on there on the front, the front fender it says there's bands that go kind of zigzag. Cross it and says I'm saved Sanctified and Redeemed by the blood of Christ and then or Washed by the blood of Christ. And then down the middle of it says I'm redeemed and I got a bunch of like little crosses and fish all over it.

3:38 So it's it's really cool. So I was really happy the way it turned out and I was writing it for the last week and then suddenly I couldn't you know get into gear and it kept kept slipping out and stuff and I was like great. So now I got to drain all the oil, take the clutch cover off, replace the springs in the pads and then put it all back together. So back to the front, Project. Well, that's what happens when you're an amateur, so yeah, that's it. But yeah, hopefully we'll be getting good news soon of a pregnancy with Whitney. So, been doing a been busy, busy Robin gone. A lot of cool things. Opening up still getting ready to get out of the Navy here, about six months prepping for my new job, that's going to be outside of that.

4:21 And just been enjoying, you know, not having a time schedule and constraints with With the show but it doesn't mean there is an absolute. Yeah, I'm closing the book for good on that. Certainly as things open back up, we'll see. But for right now, I'm definitely enjoying the break away from everything but you're killing it. I'm listening to all the episodes and really dug The Philadelphia Experiment. Actually, liked the point five, more than the experiment itself carrying, you know. Yeah, I was digging all the other weird chopped up, you know, letters and stuff. Bear. I like what you're doing, man. You're killing it. That's a that's strange.

5:03 I hated it. It was so hard to read. Yeah. You sound like a mumbling idiot. But I like to think there's a view, which is very much cool. Well, now that we're all caught up with you because people care about that. Hmm. Let's go ahead and bring in the guest for tonight. Yes please. All right, I don't really know anything about them. But I know he's a fan of the show. His name is Justin. Justin, what's going on, dude? Shalom, thanks for having me. I'm a huge fan of the show. It's kept me. It's helped me go get through a lot of tough days at work. And I felt like I became friends. That's all of you to be honest. It was just like man. What's going on with the infinite rabbit all today?

5:45 Like I'm not I'm not really enjoying it too much at work, so put that on my headphones and just yeah, they made my day every day, basically. So So I quit recently actually, the put my notice in about half a month ago and had some issues and my manager basically, after I approached him on some stuff, he wanted to fire me without severance pay and I told him he can't do that, come on suit. But instead of firing me, he put me in a bit of a tricky situation at work and I felt like I I want to work with this guy anymore, I'm leaving anyway, so just just quit and now I'm working on personal projects until it move to British Columbia in about, actually I've changed my moving date since I'm not working anymore.

6:39 So I'm moving in about a week, I think. Yeah, right on that is one thing I did know about you is that you're from Canada. I'm from Canada. Eh, you know, it's funny. We knew we knew more people through. I know more people through this, through this like whole thing, the whole Podcasting thing from Canada than anywhere else, I guess, it's pretty funny. So, Justin, what, what interests you in the infinite Rabbit Hole, what kind of topics? What kind of, what, what are you? What are you looking for when you came across the show? Well, I don't remember how I found the show, but I heard Jake talk and something resonated with his voice and his approach to stuff in my spirit.

7:22 And while I was listening to the first episode, Like Skies probably a Christian and this would be really weird if he's a Christian on this type of podcast because I've never ran into a podcast that discusses these things with a Christian perspective at times. And you know lo and behold at the end of the episode near the end he said something about how he believes in Christ and I was like Victory, this is cool and so I felt like the the platform was so like open and everyone can have their own opinions and like it wasn't just an echo chamber and it felt Felt it just felt like real and it felt like just people having a conversation about cool things and yeah it just invited me in and I felt like it just it was it was sweet. I don't know I like it so yeah Robbie I appreciate you well I'm sure that a lot of listeners have noticed it but it's nice to hear it.

8:17 That people will recognize what we were shooting for right that we were shooting for multiple different viewpoints that we can all come together. Kind of talk about these subjects from our own specific ideas and viewpoints. And yeah, Jake has his viewpoints. He doesn't believe in any of it, but he has them. Yeah, I definitely I definitely have a little bit more. I've definitely have a different approach about some of these topics Than Jake does but I'm still a still like that. He's coming at these things. From a Christian perspective but I don't know what questions you got. Is going to ask, but I'm sure we'll get into something like that later on so well. So, I got to ask you don't did you have a passive being into these kind of subjects?

9:01 Yeah, my past don't know how depth you want me to get. But essentially I used to before I was a Christian I was into New Age, briefly going into a cult but nothing too serious. And you know I smoked smoked DMT. Oh take magic mushrooms LSD frequently, experimenting with internet research. Goals that you order from, who knows where and they come in the mail and you just take, just take em, trust trusting. They're gonna do what they're supposed to do and through these drug experiences. I was definitely seeking spirit communication.

9:43 I was interacting with what I believe were beings from other dimensions at times. Nothing, super tangible, just a whole lot of some things were more tangible. Don't know how much you owe me to talk about this subject, but you talked about as much as you want, man, your story was nuts. I loved it. It's your show. Did you never? You never said anything. So I didn't know if. I don't know, I didn't want to ask questions and then have you. And then ask the same question again because I knew right away that I was going to be on this episode with you a month ago or something like that. So when I was, when I was 18, I first smoked it was 18 or 19.

10:23 I first smoked DMT. And I was transported. I just wanted to put a disclaimer like I don't recommend anybody. Try this stuff, my past was used for for God's glory, but this is dangerous. You are opening portals. It is very unsafe and not meant to be messed with. So when I first smoked DMT, I actually burnt my finger on the pipe and I was like oh no. And then the whole world just dissolved into like this kaleidoscope and I was Ported to this other place where I was like with these gigantic creatures that were building like these mechanical structures, and it had like, interweaving sort of geometry that was like non-euclidean.

11:08 And so I learned their language and I kind of felt at home with them and I felt like I existed there for years and years and eons almost. And as I was coming out of the trip, they were basically saying like goodbye Love you. This is where you're from. You'll be back again. And I came back and I was just taken aback, and it was like, okay, so there's something more to this world other than, you know, this physical reality. And it was the first time I've ever experienced something like that, where I went, what actually enter I interacted with. I don't know my later stories. I definitely give Credence to credit. So, to speak to like Spirit beings, this was I Would consider a spiritual experience.

11:55 Am I convinced that I spoke to a Spirits? Then either? It could probably be explained through scientific reasons. I was in nature. Who knows how it all worked out? I don't know. But over the years I started to take psychedelics more and more and what ended up happening out at this time. I'm kind of like another Christian. I believe in Jesus but he's more like a guy in my backpack like you know he's the dude who if Get enough and yet acknowledge Him. You get to heaven. That's all I was raised to believe. And so with that, you know, Jesus kind of was pushed out of my mind, I was practicing Buddhism meditation mindfulness.

12:37 I adopted like beliefs into in the Hinduism acknowledging, you, no other deities out there, so to speak. And so I was not, you know, by any real definition, a Christian Christ, Consciousness might be the better way. I I kind of adopted that idea that we're supposed to evolve our intellect Ascend, you know, and I was aiming for a good reincarnation cycle essentially. So what ended up happening was, man, I wasn't expecting to talk too much about this so I can't remember everything but don't go farther than you're comfortable going. Well we'll stick with that.

13:19 I mean, we're not we're not pushing it. No problem. It came a point where I took a drug called DPT and it's known as the light and I heard that it was used in, like a weird cult. Crystal weird Christian cult somewhere in the state. So I was like, I got to try that. So I ordered that. And it when I, when I experienced this drug at this time, my life. I was, yeah, I was definitely far from God. God. And I was teleported to his room with his tourists, a torus shape. It's kind of like the doughnut was inside of this torus and there was these religious icons that were rotating in and out of existence.

14:11 And every time they would rotate, they would change a different to a different icon. And all of a sudden, these praying hands came in View and it just all the, it was just this bright brilliant golden. Why Light that just Shawn all around me and it shook me to the core and I dropped to my knees crying out to God for forgiveness because I recognized in that moment, the weights of my sin. I'd never told Jake this but at this point in my life I was actually a practicing not see, I was an anti-semite, I was a racist, I know I have my shoe my head shaved, but that's not any modern correlation. So yeah, that was years ago, you know, I was He's an alcoholic. I was a meth addict.

14:57 I was living a completely different life than I am now for sure. And so, in that moment, God struck me. He used, he used this drug to make me aware of my sin and that the experience left. And I was like, I'm sorry, I'll change blah, blah blah, blah blah. But the next day, I was back to my behavior, you know, I was drinking. I was doing things that shouldn't be doing and but this time my life I was kind of like like, I knew there was now, I knew that wasn't just the spiritual reality that I kind of experience through DMT but I knew there was a God and he was personal and I knew what sin was a never knew about that beforehand. So I got the wrong message, though. I thought that psychedelics would be my way out and so I started to trip more and more and more. And that's when the entities like the machine elves started to come in and most people say like the machine elves, you experience them on DMT I-i'm, I was pretty intense. I was actually administering a drug called for a CEO DMT, which is different than n DMT.

16:04 I was in truth. I was doing that intravenously, so like injecting it and that that is actually able to still put you to a state where you break through and encounter these entities without using NN DMT. So at for a CEO, DMT is a prodrug to psilocybin essentially. So when I would, when I Go into these states. The machine elves were very interested in interacting with me in and around that kind of Godly experience and they were deterring me towards Jesus. I knew this now I can look back and I knew this for sure, but they revealed to me certain things like this is a simulation and that that was like boom with.

16:47 This is the simulus is the symbol is a simulation, man, and I was like freaking terrified. I was so scared. I just, you know, I'm high, right? But Right. This broke my reality. I was convinced that these what these entities told me was true and they were they were trying to push this agenda of like you need to escape the simulation and that is nirvana which is actually when you cease to exist and so don't enter through the white light if you die and the through some of these experiences, the Grays would reveal themselves to me in the visions and they would put their hands inside my body. And try to mend whatever was going on inside and I don't know if anything ever happened from that.

17:31 I don't know if I had any illnesses at the time but they they would interact with me in this way. And so moving forward, through all these weird trippy experiences, I got put on house arrest and I remembered that experience with God through that drug and I thought to myself, maybe I can get there without a drug. Maybe I can meet God without doing drugs anymore. And so I put away the drugs and I started to read the Bible and took a serious investigative look. And I started to read the book of Matthew and within a matter of a week Jesus matter of a week of being sober and reading the scriptures, Jesus revealed himself to me, not personally, he didn't just show up and just say, hey, I'm Jesus.

18:25 Up, he the light bulb went on in my head and it was like, okay, the meaning of life is here. Like I finally know my purpose, and the only thing for the first time in my life, I was faced with the only thing that I actually knew was true that Jesus is real and he actually died for my sins and not just mine but the whole world and it shook it shook me to the Core. Was the first tangible thing I could ever say that I've ever experienced other than kind of like, recognizing, you know, my sin. This was like, the the Revel, the full Revelation that my whole life was leading up to, and I was just blown away and so, pretty quickly.

19:15 I, you know, I repented of my national socialistic beliefs and, you know, racism and God took away my addictions and he was healing me and working on me. But in all of that, I didn't get the hint fully that psychedelic drugs were not something to be messed with. And so because I met God through those experiences, I still thought, maybe I could continue doing that. And so, what ended up happening was, I was on a trip once and this was after I've kind of established stronghold in my faith and I was sitting there in my room and all of a sudden And these black and white ribbon wrapped all around me, in around the whole room. And this being came to me with telepathic communication, and it's told me that, you know, in a very intelligent way, it said to me, basically, it's a, it's a wonder of series of facts, but the reality is that God does not exist and I was like, no, that's not true.

20:23 God does exist. And he was like, no. He doesn't exist. It's just a weird coincidence that the way the universe looks it just lines up just like that and you know he was presenting me with these other theories like you know the Anunnaki and like the alien beings planted us here like panspermia type of ideology and I was like no no no no I know there's a personal God who exists outside of his creation and with that he left and then a moment later I was faced with this deep and Powerful. Essence is if Jesus was actually here and I was, I went down on my knees and I started to pray like this. And when I close my eyes, this being burst forth from this darkness and is now he didn't I didn't realize it at the time because I was. So in tune with the spirit that I was convinced, it was Jesus the way he looked and phase me but he was. He looked like Shiva from the Hindu religion. He was blue Large multiple arms and he had this intense presence and it was disguised like Jesus kind of like if you know like how your grandpa smells right, you like oh that's my grandpa, you know it's a familiar scent, it's similar to that. Like it just had the aroma but it was totally not Jesus. So I was convincing that moment that it was and this little mantis creature came on the

21:53 scene and it was like Like, doing this weird little thing, and I was supposed to follow along by not looking, but by not opening my eyes by turning my my ears off and by not speaking anymore and focusing on it. And it was, it was trying to hypnotize me but I didn't realize it at the time. And thanks be to God because I fell over and I opened my eyes and a deep sense of fear and like regret and almost like this idea of torments Came Upon me like deep anguish and Next, 10 hours, I contemplated killing myself in order to to be forgiven and I was now looking back.

22:34 It was totally not from God, but halfway through this experience or part way through this experience of just, oh, my goodness, I was all over the place in my room Kant. I almost did it. God, I believe he placed his hand on my shoulder, at one point in this experience. And he just gave me the sense of Peace for a moment. He said it's okay. It's okay, you're going to make it through and then he moved his hand and then I had to endure the rest of the experience because I opened up a Gateway, right? And you know you'd think that you'd learn a lesson but it perfect little creatures, it wasn't but I still didn't quite learn my lesson because I was going through a time of depression, a couple months after this experience and this was very traumatic, there is actually, I was not able to talk about this for a very long time.

23:25 It The most traumatic experience in my life, but I was going through a time of depression and I thought to myself, well, if I just take a little bit of psychedelics that I had left. So, this is months after the fake Jesus experienced that the that I would maybe get myself some good mood and I was instantly put into this place of darkness and Gloom and gross - and I was just like, oh my goodness, I feel so murky and there was no visuals when I had my eyes open normally, there would would be Trails or something. It just felt like a like I was in a Halloween movie and it just felt like deep and gross. And so, at one point in my experience, my trip, this is when I knew I'm just done because I can't do this anymore. This is ridiculous.

24:10 What am I doing, God? I already know God. I don't need drugs anymore. Yeah. Well, I close my eyes. And I seen these beings crawling out from the darkness and it was the first time this trip that I actually started to have loosened Nations. And they were terrifying. And I was like they weren't as real as the fake Jesus but they were very like like like a wisp and very like Phantom as you know and I said in the name of Jesus leave now and as soon as I said that they open these doors to these like portals and they slam themselves behind and they were sucked back until I cutter darkness.

24:51 And I was like, whoa, that's crazy man. I've never seen anything like that before, like I've never been able to interact with a hallucination like that. And so, what ended up happening was the Grim Reaper walked out and he sat down and he stared at me and I said in the name of Jesus leave, but but death death is different than a demon, right? And he has the ability to work on behalf of God. I believe there's the angel of death and he just stared at me and this deep feeling like, okay, smirnov Duncan my chest and so I haven't done psychedelics ever since Hallelujah, he's ran.

25:32 That is, well, I don't know if you have any questions, but it's been about five, six years, maybe. And that took a little experiences, took a long time to heal from, but I never had a bad trip before becoming a Christian. And then, after I became a Christian, that's when the devil and the Deep, the spirits that I was interacting with, just frickin turned on me, man. They just First they let loose that's for sure. And I think God that they did because I mean I'm glad I don't you and that crap anymore. You can have Supernatural experiences with God When You're Sober, you know, God is able to Give you visions and experiences and dreams that honestly are much more fulfilling than any psychedelic experience or meditation or astral projection and experience that I've ever had. So yeah, I got that a lot from thinking during during your story, both one you send me over messenger and here now it's just like the amazing part of all the different things that people will do to find God and you know, all these sorts of things. Oh, you got to take this drug or you gotta Meditate in this way or you got to practice this or blah, blah, blah, blah blah. The Bible says that, you know, seek me and you'll find me, but he reveals himself.

26:49 You know, if you're earnestly looking he just like, hey here, I am, you know? Yeah, yeah. I like that, man. I dug it. I was sitting there listening to it and stuff and I was like, man. I do need to get that, that Steve guy on Steve. Yeah. Yeah. Was it the the new age guy? Oh, Steve, Bankers band. Yeah. What a wild story? Oh, dude. Yeah, thank you. It's a buzz. That's crazy. I wouldn't know where to begin. There's a lot here. So DMT, we'll start with that. Yeah, dimethyltryptamine, I had to look up that word.

27:29 You said the non-euclidean geometry. I was like, and I was, I got my phone real quick. Like, I've never heard that word before my life. Oh, really? Now, for those who are unfamiliar with DMT, I also am not too familiar with DMT, but one thing I do know is that this is the chemical that is naturally released into your brain upon death. It's it's theorized there's actually I don't think there's any proof yet but it is androgynous Lee produced in the body somehow, right? And they believe that the sensation everyone seen mostly in movies, right? When someone's about to pass away, they have that Phoric kind of mentality to them like, hey, it's okay I'm good.

28:15 You know, this is my time. I'm ready to go and everything. It's thought that is because of DMT being released into your brain, which helps the process and makes it easier. Now, I have also heard that people who take DMT as a hallucinogen have some absolutely wild trips and I mean Justin, but some some pretty wild stuff there man. I don't know the beginning. I of all the beans I know that there are tons of entities that people will will come across and a lot of people will actually share experiences even through distance. So like somebody's in one house or somebody's in another house states away and they know each other, they can meet up in the DMT realm or whatever.

28:59 They refer to it as they can actually meet up with each other and go see beings that they can then describe to each other post awake. If they if they call each other and say hey remember that give me the name of one of those what they basically astral project and see the machine elves or whatever? She knows, there you go. But yeah, it's sort of like that. There's some wild stuff like I've looked into it a little bit because it was a topic that we were going to cover at one point. I chose not to go with it just because I chose a different topic at that point and I just kind of Got carried away and some other stuff and it just never came back to it. It will be a topic that I eventually go over. But this is this is an absolute amazing story, dude. Very cool.

29:44 I don't think I'm glad I survived at all. U.s. good, Jess good. Is my name, Jeff Jack's Jake. What are the machine elves? I've heard a lot of people talk about the Moschino. Can you describe the a note, you know, Oh, what that, you know what? They are. When you meet them, they are not going to ever do any of this stuff. Like, I'm dead clean sober. Been sober for five and a half years. Now, I'm never gonna do this. I never did it like, psychedelics and stuff because I was always too scared, which is probably a good thing, a healthy fear. So machine elves seem to lovely people, describe what they think are machine.

30:26 I was differently. It depends too because like depends on what you classify as a machine off. Some people will say the gesture is a machine elf. I think he's just the basic entity, the machine elves really seem like they have a presence to them. That's like, okay, I know what this is. This is something unique. And you know, what? I could, I wish I could show send a photo. Can I can? I can fold, I can, The photo in this chat here, here a, I'm not sure about that, but you can, you can absolutely send it to our Messengers for sure. I mean, if you look up photos of machine elves, you kind of see what they look like. But I would I think a lot of these are inaccurate depictions. That's similar to it.

31:09 Basically, they are this intelligent. Being. that is embedded in the technology that makes up the fabric of space and time and they can slip and slide between space spatial dimensions and they can show themselves to you and they like imagine if you were to like, look at a painting, but the painting had Since that was beaming into your mind and the the condo is a Consciousness to the painting and you just knew that this painting is a living being.

32:06 It's so hard to explain. I mean Terence McKenna talked about it about how they like to give you things and they you know they are very mischievous and They like to hide and they play hide and seek, and they dance around you. And, you know, he often described them as jumping in and out of your body, which I mean, that to me speaks about of demonic possession, right? You know what, what are they? I believe in some some way they are. They are the spirits of the Dead Nephilim, that's what demons are demons. Are the spirits of the Dead Nephilim, and there's certain types of these these spirits of the certain types of Nephilim. And somehow, I'm kind of convinced that the machine olives were possibly, some sort of I don't know how to even describe any of the stuff that's the thing. It's so abstract, it's hard to describe, but it's like, it's like they have this nature about them, that is Cosmic intelligence.

33:21 That's embedded itself in the fabric of space and time, that's the best way I can describe it. And, of course, they visually can present themselves in a visual manner, to Yeah, I can't talk on actually doing DMT. I've never done it but I gosh, I wish I had been that damn book. I still have it. I should read it, I should have read it before this. I didn't know this was the path you're going down. You know book you should read. I sent it to while ago, the Bible. Yeah. Yeah I read that Hallelujah. You know, actually I got a book for that. You might like it's called the Nephilim, a giant walk through history and it talks about The the Nephilim from the apocryphal point of view, but it's summarizes the story and condenses it into 11 sort of fictional account. But like, looking at it from like this, the apocryphal sources.

34:17 And of course, like, we can debate all day if that's Canon or not, but I still think it's a really great presentation and it ties it in with Bigfoot and lots of other. Lots of other cool things. Is he even talks about black-eyed children and here towards the end of the book and UFOs. And Um my friend wrote it and I just finished reading it and it was a really good read so I can send it to you if you want Jeremy. What was the name of it? The Nephilim a giant walk through history that it's my Amazon with snow. Yeah, I just bought it. You did. Yeah, well good, maybe maybe Jake will take care of the episode. Yep, got it right here. Jeffy. Brandon Yeah, and you guys if you ever have questions about the Nephilim and stuff like that, he's a, he's a good friend of mine.

35:05 You can always message them. You can message them on Facebook. He's very open loves to have conversations about this type of stuff. So if you look up, okay, I can actually I can find a picture of like a good representation of a machine off. It's from an album cover of a album that I used to. Like if you look up, jettison mind hatch, you will find what a my It is a fairly accurate representation of what these machine elves can look like, that's his the depiction on like an album cover but that's how I experienced them at times. But the thing is, is you visualizing that and seeing that image that is actually just a rep like a it's a it's a representation but what it's missing is it's missing its and it's missing. Its intelligence, it's missing its awareness. That's the thing is it's almost like incomplete. You need to see that with the A ritual element behind it for it. Really to make sense.

36:02 Interesting stuff, man. Yeah, I'll, we'll dive into the Nephilim sometime down the road and, you know, yeah, if you could put me in touch with him, could be really cool. Obviously, I want to read through the book. So I know it's wife, his wife actually seen Bigfoot. Well, well, that's more my my going they have a video on it to. I can send you a link and all that stuff. If you have it, sir, absolutely send. To both please. All right so cool dude that's way. I don't I'm speechless man. I don't really know what what to what to say. I don't know what to talk about. I know I'm not a I'm not a Christian man, Jake is so Jake's. The guy that's going to be able to ask you the questions and be able to talk on the same plane as you with a lot of the stuff that you're talking about.

36:52 I've never done really heavy drugs man. So I I can't talk on that that plane with you. So I'm kind of in a Here. I was enjoying the story for sure. It was it was I felt like I was a long with your experience and you you're very good at telling telling it to really good at about away. Thank you. That's actually, that makes me happy because I've been nervous and I feel like when I told when I talk to people, I often feel like I'm thinking too fast and so it makes me have like anxiety about like if I'm like a prop properly explaining my story, but I appreciate that. Thank you. But I was able to picture pretty much Everything you said, as you were saying, it was really cool. Very, very, very cool story that you got there, man.

37:34 Jake, you got any questions for him? I mean, like Jeremy. I never never. Did you know, that sort of stuff? I was too scared. My older brother. He dropped a lot of acid back in the day and still to this day. He can't look at like a floral pattern like wallpaper or like a multitexture multicolored carpet. Whatever without it like swimming and breathing and stuff. And it gives me crazy headaches and he's, you know, 20 years removed from all of that. So that's that's called HP. PD, listening precipitating perception Disorder. So is your brother Christian? I think he was on the podcast episode, but I never got the hint of a Believer and he's not, he's not that was a different brother. I've got 300, well, maybe, I don't know. I haven't really asked.

38:28 Okay. Okay, he's finding his way. Yeah, I had HP PD and I believe I've been healed of it so it's possible to be healed of it but certain music certain songs can trigger can trigger, maybe not the visuals but the feeling of being in that space and it's so weird man. It's just different than anything you've ever experienced well in the the the presence plane so to speak. I have enough issues. I don't To add extra right? No, I 100%. Regardless of the disconnect between, you know, how you were living your life versus how I was prior to become a Christian. Same thing raised in a Christian household fell away immediately. As soon as I got, you know, I would say that I was never a Believer.

39:20 I went to church because Mom Dad went to church, right? And so that was basically the whole thing became an adult. Completely went to do my own thing. Always had this like knowledge of God, but never a, you know, a submitting to God, right? Never relationship. Just and I held onto that stuff. Like I have a head across tattooed on my chest and, oh, you know, heaven forbid, you call me on my own, you know, lunacy, because I'm going to, you know, throw it in your face. But how, how dare you judge me? And blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, I'm a raging alcoholic, I'm doing whatever it is that I want to do. I'm Around, you know, I'm just, you know, just an animal and it wasn't until I actually found Jesus through a, a that, you know, I submitted to his authority and it turned any turn my life around, right? He completely hundred degree 180 degrees, changed my life. And you know, because I always had this knowledge, this knowledge that the Bible is true. I mean we can you can make the argument the Bible is untrue because you don't believe in the Oracle's or you don't believe in the Divinity of Christ, but the historic side behind the Bible. I mean, 25,000 confirmed archaeological digs for people places and times, right?

40:38 Like we were just looking up a when the Assyrian sacked in Northern Israel and in, I think 722 BC and, you know, and that's in the Bible and that there's actually historic, you know, evidence to prove that. That actually happened during that timeframe, right? The people that were there. There Chris is a pretty good one. Oh, for sure. I think I said that to Jeremy at some point but it's just like, but yeah, I mean, I had it the knowledge right but not any sort of relationship to speak of, you know, if anything, I was a complete and total blatant liar, right? And then through submission, all that change happened, right? It was just like, okay, I submit to that Authority, I submit to your will over my life and then I saw just these radical mind-blowing changes and then that's what Whitney my wife saw. And then that turned At her towards Jesus because she saw the difference in attitude and, you know, the way I was living and you know how I treated her and how I treated others and stuff and that's what she latched onto to. So yeah I mean I totally could relate to what you're saying and yeah, I loved your story.

41:44 I loved hearing it and I was really hoping that I could get you to kind of throw it out there on the show. There's a lot of Oppression I think in like popular churches and mainstream Christianity. Stuff like that. And it's especially like the more boring crowd side of it. Just like that's for old people, but it's not, it's cool. There's intelligence smart people out there that are Christians and you're allowed to have fun with it. I mean, I believe in, you know, Spirit beings I've seen demons come out of people actually one time when I was in the The Yukon, I seen this guy and I just felt like in my spirit that he was possessed, something was wrong with them.

42:35 And I walked up to him, I said, hey, I'm gonna command demons out of you right now in the name of Jesus. And as soon as I said that he's goes, He shake it like this man and he's just shaking shaking. He's like that. Why did you do that? I hate when this happens. I'm like what? And he's like. Yeah man. Like don't touch me, bro. And I was like, dude. Get those things out of you and he didn't want to let go of them. He was like, no, no no. And he ran away shaking like these demons are like halfway through him unable to fully come out. And it was like so my point is you can have fun with this stuff. Like there is a purpose and there's a it's like Your giftings. And the the way that you perceive the world, it becomes clearer.

43:29 Like the lens is actually just open up that sort of, scope of like, what's really going on in the powers that be that are actually running the show and everything behind all of that. It just makes a whole lot more sense. Now, so now, you're even though you drag yourself through a lot of Heartache, I imagine you see you come out the other side with a really cool testimony that you and share with people that are still in that area where you were, you know? Yeah. I I'm glad that I was able to talk about in the show because I didn't know what we're going to talk about. I kind of thought, maybe something like this, but I've been trying to reach out more to talk a little bit more about my testimony and I practice my faith from ahead break perspective to.

44:13 So I keep the Sabbath and you know, the the I eat kosher and all that stuff. So it's funny because And that's a 180 eyewear. I wear tassels actually to and like, oh nice. I got my prayer like that, like, Messianic assigned here. Yeah, I'm not. Of course, I'm not Jewish but I keep the faith from a Messianic perspective and it's interesting because the one episode I was listening to about the guy who had that really cool story about like seeing the guy with the deer head. Randall was his name. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so that guy at the end of the episode he was like, I'm messy And I was like, what are the chances of that?

44:54 That's so cool. Right? Yeah, she just reached out to me the other day. He's actually living out by shots for Mountain cats. That is Jessa shocked. Shocked amount. Whatever Shasta Mountain has this incredible history with portals to multiple Dimensions animals from different timelines Bigfoot. This may go for the Bigfoot but that's it. Yeah, it's not So eventually I would like I would like to cover that particular location and episode would be pretty cool. You turned me on to Bigfoot like I believed in Bigfoot, but Jeremy man.

45:34 I was like not convinced and then when you when I heard episode, I listen to all your Bigfoot episodes and I was like, no, this is real, this is very real. And then I heard looked at the Sierra sounds. And as I was laying in bed and I was like Okay. No, this is definitely definitely real. And yeah, totally totally. So thanks. Thanks for getting me on a Bigfoot. I didn't know. Bigfoot was cool, man, but this little or big foot is amazing. And when you told me actually, what really made me more like, okay, this is probably true. Is when you, when you, when you talk to a Bigfoot, in mind, speech because I've experienced telepathy telepathy before, and I know it's real, it feels like your brain is being touched and there's like the knowledge going into your Mind is very palatable and so when you told when you talk to an episode about, you're like, oh that's a Bigfoot mind speech.

46:26 I was like, wait a minute that that to me just proved it because I know telepathy is real. And I resonated with the fact that like, who would make up a story about how bigfoot-like telepathically spoke to you like, that? Just seems so far-fetched. I mean, I don't know what your thoughts are about that, but to me, I was just like, yeah, that's that definitely resonated with me and so, That's what got me on a Bigfoot. Well, let's touch on that. First thing that's actually, the quantum Bigfoot is how it's commonly referred to. And I'm pretty sure the episode that you're talking about. It was our interview with Carter Bush sharp on his his evidence of enigma books. One and two.

47:10 I'm actually going to be talking with him very soon, very, very soon. He's gonna be back, I've got him scheduled. I didn't want to put that out there yet, but it is There it is. Let's carve Richard would be back very soon, everybody. I personally am a flesh-and-blood Bigfoot person. I'm not necessarily a Quantum, but I'm open to it. You know, if I had an experience where, you know, I'm looking the Sasquatch in the eyes and all of a sudden, it's speaking to me in my brain. Well, I can, I can easily jump to the other side, right? I'm not gonna say no, but I find it interesting, just talking to everybody. That's just why I love so much about. These kind of topics is, you know, like, I tell everybody, I saw a Bigfoot, dude. I mean, it's as simple as that.

47:56 I saw something that everyone says doesn't exist, right? Oh, you saw the one Bigfoot in the whole world? Well, first of all, yeah, there's a lot of probably, there's a lot of big fees and yes, you know. So I take everybody else's story with a, you know, with an open mind because everyone has told me Me that I'm full of shit. So if I can see something that doesn't exist air quotes. So could have anybody else? And it just may have been something different than what I saw Bigfoot. Definitely was my, my Gateway corrupted to the rest of rest of this. Except for next year.

48:38 Mrs. Halls of except, for Nancy crazy face. Not a big fan of messy but anyways I digress, I'm also flesh-and-blood Bigfoot guy. I mean, Like I'm not saying that the other stuff isn't valid, but let's just prove that the thing exists but it's weird. It's like people get so wrapped up into it where they're just like, oh my gosh, you're just so dumb, and it's like, what is, what's wrong with another animal existing in the world? Like I actually throw a teaser out there. I know I keep throwing out teaser so who knows if I actually do it right, but it won't. Everybody just don't ya ignore this, but I wanted to go through a series, which is the main thing that I Like about this show which is talking about real cryptozoology throughout the world, all the animals that had lower and mythology surrounding them until some researcher found, you know, a quote, unquote extinct fish in a food market or a new type of gorilla, you know, up in the Chinese mountains, right? When everyone's calling it.

49:38 Like, the big hairy men that live up there, I always sorts of things were real. Cryptozoology came through like, even Joe Rogan, one of his newest podcast he had forced galante on there. Is a, some, you know? Yeah. Chorus researcher guy and I, but he, he was talking about what is it? The Tasmanian Tiger, right? And he was, he was talking about that thing existing and how its, you know, in relation to cryptozoology but how that there's so much speculation, Sony pictures that still exist, even after being claimed to be extinct, that is considered a real Cryptid, right?

50:19 And so it's like just to kind of let people know. It's like, yeah, it's we're not talking about fairy tales, we're talking about cryptozoology, we're talking about animals that have been reduced to Legend, and lore that have a very high likelihood of existing or animals. That did exist that have gone, you know, quote unquote extinct that are still theorized to exist, right? And why can't another type of gorillas be in that category they do. Why is that so freaky to people every single continent on Earth with the exception? Of Antarctica has primates well. I mean, we don't know that because the Earth could be flat. Well, it could be but it's like the I mean, they have monkeys in Mexico.

50:59 Like why can't there be a nothing in, you know, Canada or you know, exact States, right? I know that. Yeah, it's like, it's it's nuts. They're, they're all over the place. So it's like people get all wrapped up into it, but I'm a big Flesh and Blood guy. I think it's just another creature that God created for us to enjoy, although I'll be it. In very small numbers and population. You know, since we're kind of on that topic I think a lot of people forget well not necessarily forget but don't really understand that cryptozoology Cryptids. It doesn't have to be something as sexy as like the the fake windigo Jewpacabra brother nor the the Latin American chupacabra.

51:42 That's half aliens. Half out your fucking face off, you know? And I like cryptozoology in the whole like like you were talking about the Tasmanian Tiger, also known as the thylacine was a once living creature. I mean we have video proof of this thing walking around like this is, this is something that within the timeframe of videos we have proof of its existence. That's how that's how recent yeah yeah. How recently? It went quote-unquote extinct. But now, I mean, people are seeing them in their backyards and the, in the forest It and now it's a Cryptid, you know, it's not necessarily as sexy as Mothman, you know one flying creature of the night with red glowing eyes. So sexy, it's gonna lie feet.

52:34 Mmm. This is a marsupial who, you know, instead of looking like a kangaroo or whatnot, it looks like a coyote with Tiger stripes and it can open his mouth 90 degrees and it's It's just an absolutely weird creature but it existed and very, very well could still exist today. And I love that stuff. And then like what Jake was talking about? The coal Camp, right? This is, this is the prehistoric fish that for a very long time, we thought was long extinct and then it showed up in a fish market. I believe it was an Indian, I could be absolutely wrong there, don't quote me, we know they exist now. I mean, they're out there they're still alive and there. They're alive at a rate to where they're breeding one or two of them that we've seen are quite young, you know, within like, five years.

53:28 So it's, it's continuing it, you know, it's just you get on like these Facebook groups and everyone's got these pictures of like this strange creature. And they want to make cryptozoology out to be this, this horror film and it's just, it's just not great. It can Who know like old monster movies. I love them. I love them too. There could be there could be some of those out there. Right. But what really, really fascinates me is the stuff that we can actually it's within our grasp, right? We can actually prove that this thing exists, right? Speaking of the Yukon has you were talking about earlier.

54:08 I mean there are reports that mammoths are still alive up there in very, very small groups. Yes so I can bring them back so they absolutely Ali will be alive. But I mean think about how how vast the the Northern Territories are mean? I mean, come on man. You know better than I do these. These places are as rural as rural gets and there's just thousands of miles thousands upon thousands of miles of square miles of land. That's just not touched. Could there be something out there? Absolutely. 100%. Could it be a mammoth? Yeah. I think that there's a decent chance. Put it low, but I think there's a good chance. It's something we can grasp something that's within reach, right?

54:57 I personally think that something like that is much more believable than say, the Van Meter visitor, which was a flying pterodactyl with a headlight on its forehead. Just just throw it out there. Yeah, I had to put that in. There is the with the dodo bird be considered a Cryptid. Well, there is that. Yeah, it depends. I mean, it has have people come out and said that, they'd seen a dodo bird because that's, that's where cryptozoology, really draws a line, right? Where you have prehistoric animals, you have things that are extinct and when it becomes cryptozoology is, when someone says, hey, I saw do, that's when it becomes a Cryptid, you know, and it only becomes a stronger Cryptid as more evidence and more sightings come that you have to, you have to have the repeated sightings, you have to have someone who claims have footprint.

55:48 Aster or photographic evidence or stories passed down to them of of dodo birds. And that's, that's really where it makes it. And, you know, I think that a lot of people get confused with myth lure Legends when it comes to cryptic Cryptids. You know, they're looking at these Legends lures and myths as they are all Cryptids, and it's just not the case for, you know, for me like if we have physical proof, Like the, the Bishopville, Mauser, the lizard man of South Carolina. Great, we have proof that that something attacked a car, right? We have teeth marks and and just incredible markings on this woman who claimed that her car was absolutely devastated or destroyed by this upright walking Lizard, Man. And guess what?

56:45 That's what the car looks like. The car. Looks like it got fucked up by. Buy something with wisdom teeth. I mean, think about something be able to puncture through the, the metal of a car like the cars Hood. If you ever get a chance to look at it, I'll be covering at some point, some point down here, and infant rabbit hole, but that's, that's the kind of stuff that's that's feasible for me. Where, although, the Van Meter, visitor, is a absolutely beautiful story. It's great. So it's entertaining, it's, it's off. But is there any physical proof of it? Is there any real historical documents saying that this was a thing? Now in the episode I came across some things where yeah, it there are some articles that clean to have it, but you also got to understand is that the timeframe there wasn't any kind of real source of communication.

57:42 So you got to take that all the creative Soul. So yeah, I don't know how we get on that. It's a Rabbit Hole. Whoo. Whoo. So Justin, you got anything for us, man. Just glad you guys are that. Jeremy your continue with the show and Jake. I'm really glad that you were on tonight, that's for sure. Yeah, for sure, man, though, I'm still working on that, that Ogopogo video for you. I'll find something man. But I remember when we did the episode with Phantom, fill it was sparse. Oh no problem. You don't have to bother with it if you don't think it don't stress. I'm actually moving to BC and I'll be very I'm going to be in the Okanagan Valley.

58:26 If not break, right, right. Right at the tail end of it. I'm so I, I'll be like I think like an hour or so, from from the, what is a, what is it down there? I can never remember it at. Yeah, that that Lake. I'll be I'll be really close to there, so I might go up time to time, check it out and I mean, there's a lot of people live in that area so I if it hasn't been caught on video in a while. I mean, maybe it's I actually heard somebody talk to me today that they were hang gliding over that area and they seen it underneath the water. Otter. There are some recent ish videos when they're not they're not super recent like in 2020s but you know, definitely in a 20 teens for sure. There's a few of them.

59:14 I think 2008 was a big one, you know, about that giant statue. That's underneath the, the lake there. I know. I don't know. So somebody made a Ogopogo monster statue and they put it in the lake. Canton Road, the name of the lake, but, um, It's terrifying. If you were diving in the waters and you just stumble upon this thing for that big green one. I think it's a green. Yeah. It kind of looks like it has a horse head and it's just, it's weird. Oh yeah, I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen the statutes. It's pretty funny freaky looking for sure. I was going to ask Jeremy. Have you ever seen? Have you ever seen a UFO?

59:55 I don't know if your soil, the I've ever talked about this. Have I, so, here's, here's the thing, right? I don't like to. Tell my stories very much because I think it takes away from my point on the show. I, I don't want to come off as some as a fanatic. But yes. Yes, I have. I've seen to, yeah. I mean, there's, there's things in the sky, right? And that's, that's for true. So, when I was young, very, very young probably in fourth, fifth grade. This is start with the probing. Yeah. Oh, saddle up, do you want to Sell it. That's just know we were playing ghost in the graveyard, in the basically, the front yard of the high school in my hometown, and we're just kind of, you know, all out there being two stupid kids and the middle night and something flew over us, man. Say it wasn't, it wasn't that high either. It was pretty low, but it was completely silent. And I grew up in the Northeast, I grew up in Connecticut And in the area of Connecticut, there's a well-known triangular craft that, it's not the tr-3b, it's different tier 3. A but that, I mean it's just kind of always makes a. It's it makes its rounds like

1:01:26 everybody's up there scene. It's just such a weird phenomenon there in New England with this. This this triangular craft and I saw one time and it just wasn't very low. Our it wasn't very high. It was pretty low, it had a whitish dimming light in the middle of it. Best recollection, is that it had red lights, you know, at random spots throughout the the bottom of the craft and it was it was big and like you could like as it passed through the sky, you can tell that it's blocking out Starlight, you know, it as Going through its blocking out sunlight but the color of it was fairly close to the night sky. And if you ever look up at the night sky, when it's clear, it's not Pitch Black.

1:02:13 You know, it's like that off hazy bluish black or grayish bluish black and it was kind of mimicking. That is what it kind of looked like. And that's just that's the only time I've seen it. And me and my friends, booked it on our bicycles, and we went home and we fucked off for the rest of the day. And And I woke up, and, I mean, I've talked about it a few times with my friends, especially, when we were kids. They never told me about it, but I do not know, starting to think we're not besties. Well, we are anyways. And then there was a, there was one time when I was living in Florida, and man, I was coming home from work one day, and there's a bridge now, down in St.

1:02:57 Petersburg, Florida. There's a lot of bridges as you go into the beach, that, that open up there called drawbridges. Yet you have to wait for the ship to go through or what, not before the bridge closes back down and I'm driving up to one of these drawbridges and there's like three or four cars parked to the side and like crap that, you know, I'm looking for the red light that's going to come up with. Tell me that, you know, we have stopped and the things going to go up and but it's not there. The car ahead of me just goes right past these guys. And you know what not and you know, all four or three or four of these cars on the side of the road all have their, their hazards on. So So I'm looking up and I'm, like, holy crap. There is it there's something in the sky and it's so so weird. It wasn't that far off the ground either? I would say Jacob probably flies around the same height as what a, you know, an h-60 would have flown and that's gonna fly like 10,000 feet.

1:03:55 I mean, I'm talking about like, you know, where when it's when it's cruising around the Norfolk area actually like maybe 500 Thousand feet. Yeah, something like that. Wasn't. It wasn't that far up. And I'm actually on the phone, my wife might hold on, Katie and me, I gotta stop and check this out, you know? So I pulled up in front of the line of cars and I was the very first car. I also got out and I'm like, what is that thing? And the guys like, I don't know, but that thing was, like, way down here. It was like 100 feet like off the ground, not three minutes ago and I'm like, really. He goes. Yep. It literally just shot up and it's just sitting there right now. And then all of a sudden it just goes up just disappears, right into the sky. And my who, man, let me tell you that was that was some wild shit right there.

1:04:43 Did you ever hear? I don't know. If Jake told you this that I sent him, the video that I have on my Channel about how people who are being abducted by aliens. Have been able to stop the abductions by pronouncing or calling on the name of Jesus. Have you ever heard of that? No, it's going to send you, I'll send you a send you a video if you want to If you want to watch and talk talks a bit about that matter if it has aliens or UFOs in the side of my way. Okay. Because I've seen in a vision, I've seen an angel carrying me through what I think is the third heaven and the space that I was in was very you know back to that word non-euclidean very interesting and I was not high. I was laying in bed once and I felt this electricity come upon my body and all of a sudden I was just transported to this other place.

1:05:41 This is far after I was done using psychedelic drugs, and seen this tall light, blond hair, light brown hair may be blonde hair. Dye walking me down the corridor and I was like, that's an angel and but I wasn't me as a fleshly human being. I was this sort of spirit being it's hard to explain anyways. So when I hear UFO abductees and experiences the Travis Walton one, for example where he sees the greys and then he gets moved through the rooms by this tall guy. Wearing a blue shirt with like kind of long as she like brown hair.

1:06:26 And he looks like a human being. What? I actually never. I so I had my experience with this, but this angel, I believe, very, very, very confidently. And then later on a couple months or a year later, I heard about the Travis Walton story and when he told me about the, the a alien being that's often described as the Nordic, you know, the Nordic aliens, I was like that's, you know, this is where I was to where I believe Jake doesn't seem to I don't know. If he holds the same opinion, but it's a fallen angel and the book talks a bit about that if you do purchase it, but I can send you a copy if you just want this one either way. And I was like, wow, that just sunk right into my spirit and I was like I got to look into this. And so I started Googling and lo and behold ce4, I think it's called ce4 research and they document the main dude works for mufon and He's kind of On The Fringe of mufon and he's documented multiple encounters of people who've been able to stop alien, abductions, by calling on the name of Jesus. And as soon as I heard that their demonic, the only problem I had and I was like, okay now I got it this makes sense. So I urge you to look into that you like aliens and UFOs and all that cool stuff.

1:07:49 So I'll send you that. I'll send you the video that I have on my channel. Yeah, definitely. Jeremy, did I ever send you the video? Oh, that I recorded of the first UFO. I don't know if I can show you guys on this, if it'll, if you'll be able to see it. Yeah, maybe we'll give it a shot. Let's see. This was. I recorded this. Probably back in 2012. Is that that light there? Yeah. What you recorded that Jen? Yeah, this is from the smoke pit over at the Oceania, Barracks, no Schmidt. And then the second one I saw was over here. That was like the Mountaintop not not Magoo because there's Mount Chumash right behind us.

1:08:39 Right? But like going towards that direction but then the mountains continue over to the left and there's actually a house that's kind of sitting there on a peek. I have a picture of it. I don't Probably look it up on the, the Google, or the, you know, the dress, or whatever. Where exactly. But anyway, it was a silver, orb. And I was, it was right there. I mean, it was hovering like you would expect a, maybe a slow-moving blimp, maybe that was going like that was facing us because remember, over at Norfolk, the Goodyear blimp would fly over all the freaking time. What? Apparently? They could just go through the military airspace for some reason. But anyway, so it was it was basically, as if Blimp was facing us, right?

1:09:19 So it was a shiny orb, but hovering in the same way a helicopter would and it would just, bam is gone but I I never took anything from it because I'm like, I yeah, I live at a military base that has a rail gun on. It was like, are you really go over what the one in Florida looked like for me but it was it was a shiny work. That's that's what I don't think. I said that orbs getting the picture and the problem is with the whole orb thing is That a light, the sun being reflected, from a, from a shiny surface, from any distance, greater than like, maybe 100 feet would look like, just a shiny light or just like an orb or whatever, right? You would be able to see the the intensity of the light coming off that object.

1:10:11 You wouldn't be able to see definite features of that object. Right. So that angles or edges or whatever it was, it would just look like a light or a, you know, the sun being reflected off of an object. Yeah. So that's where I'm just like, ah, I don't know, you know, being around a military base. I hundred percent think that its military vehicles. We're in, we're so deep and UAV technology. Now, you know, it's like I wish I had taken a video of it is. You want to take back? I don't know what it was. So obviously it was a UFO. It was something in the sky that I couldn't get. If I, I don't identify any that stuff is aliens.

1:10:52 It's just something. I didn't know what it was. Have you seen those videos of the two? The two moons? Yeah, but Dubai ones. We actually we talked about that in one of our news episodes. Okay, I haven't gone to that one yet, but I don't lie. I don't think you're really get that anymore. To be honest with you. I think I took that off. Yeah, says rabbit hole news, or our rabbit. There's something something that has to news in its in my save to, to listen to later. Type of, to be fair. We've done well. Six or seven of them. Okay, yeah. Depending I mean, I think I always leave the newest one on there. And when we do another one, we just, I just archive the other, it's been purging episodes that are older than a year, which is most of them, most of, yeah. All right.

1:11:41 Justin, we're going to go ahead and start closing out, man. We're at almost an hour and a half. I'm going to try to cut this down to about an hour. Jake, do you have anything before we go, man? Hey dude, thanks for. Reaching out. I appreciate you listening and you know, we do appreciate that. You enjoy the original setup of what we were doing with the show. Got a lot of people that a lot of people that were that liked it, right, that there was no Echo chamber. There's a lot of, you know, through our own lens and perspective of you know for me my relationship with Christ for others. It was there you know for Jeremy his relationship with science and how the world works and all That sort of stuff and it's just like we enjoyed it thoroughly and there's some people that didn't find that you know very cool.

1:12:30 They thought that having you know, there's a couple people that definitely thought that having my voice on there was stupid right and and got some hate from that, but it was just, you know, enjoyed being on their Android, enjoy hearing that, it brings you. What is it that Peace throughout the day where you can, you know, pop it on. Because, you know, let's be real life sucks. Sometimes. You know, regardless of what your job is, regardless of your hobbies, you know, motorcycles breaking down all the time, but being able to just pop it on and kind of skate for a little bit. That's was the goal for this because we came up during the whole covid time frame rate.

1:13:11 We wanted something where someone could listen to us for an hour and just kind of escape from the, you know, crazy nightmare that kind of surrounded us at the time. So even still All to did it today that's that was the goal so appreciate that. You're getting that from there. It makes us happy to hear that. And keep listening to this is this is something I've wanted to do for a very long time. You know, I want more people to reach out and want to have conversations with us. So, you know, I get a lot of people who will message me and be like, hey, you know, I'm thinking about coming on to the show, but I've never podcast before and, you know, I'm nervous and, you know, there's not A lot to it. All you're doing is you're sitting down, you're having a conversation with us.

1:13:53 Super super simple. There's no script, there's no nothing. I appreciate you being the first. I hope this start something, you know, those are listening. I hope that you're hearing this and like, hey, you know what? I was pretty cool. I would like to have a conversation with you guys too. But no Justin that story. Your story is phenomenal. Phenomenal. Awesome crew. Thank you so much for coming on, dude. It means a lot that you still listen to the show and thanks for having me. No, thank you. I only discovered you guys like, was it like, the cut was like a week before? Message Jake.

1:14:38 So I got a lot of catching up to do. Yeah, long. But I've listened to I think 90% of your episodes, actually, on. Geez. You started from day one? Poor guy. Well think of how much he has to go off with of jumped around but yeah, can I plug myself a little bit here? I got her to YouTube channel. Absolutely. So Justin Hunter Dash TCM. I don't really have a steady flow, but if anybody wants to subscribe, I post anything that I think of I'm kind of making a video game. And sometimes I post updates on there, but I've changed Direction with that. And so, Sometimes I interview people who have cool stories recently.

1:15:22 This girl, who was into the new age and somebody who she was as a medium. She was connected to a told her it's a basically turned to Christ and it was a fantastic story. So I interviewed for her and yeah, just you know, talk about whatever whatever I'm thinking about at the time. So Justin Hunter TCM, your feel free to hit me up on there to go, faster. I just subscribed anything. Get on to our Facebook group to we have self-promotion Saturdays. Okay, I don't know. Cool. Yeah, every Saturday public so just just deactivated my Facebook so I only have messenger because I'm writing a book on it's taking too much of my time so well if once your book gets out you know feel free you can just jump on with us.

1:16:10 All right, I'm going to go ahead and close this out, guys. Last call and anything else that wants to be said. Nope. God bless you. All may the Lord keep you and bless. You bless you. Make his face shine upon you. And give you his peace. All right. All right. Well there has been another episode of the infinite Revel podcast. Thank you everybody. I'll see you next PATH of you for the rattle. Bye-bye, you have to say it by third of. Yeah. I would like to thank you once again for tuning into the infinite Rabbit Hole podcast, please. Make sure to give us a follow and one of those beautiful five-star ratings on your podcast player of choice.

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1:17:39 You see that you were mine own. Until next time. Travelers, I'm Jeremy. And I'll see you at the next fork in the path of the infinite rabbit hole. I'm fine.