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The world is full of incredible
mysteries, but one mystery seems

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to be the one that stands above
the rest.

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Many people have their beliefs,
and those beliefs stem into

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different paths that attempt to
answer life's biggest question.

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No matter if you consider
yourself to be religious,

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spiritual and atheist or
agnostic, or even a person of

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science, chances are that you
have a belief when it comes to

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the answer to this enormous and
elusive question.

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What happens when we die?
Roughly 5% of people will

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experience an event that leaves
themselves clinically dead or so

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close to death that they believe
they witnessed a glimpse of what

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truly occurs to our
consciousness after our life

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expires.
Throughout time, details such as

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a third person view of your
dying body, a white light, an

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incredible utopia, a processing
center, a regrouping with lost

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loved ones, an incredible
presence, increased power of

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senses, a bright light, and a
boundary that if you crossed,

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means that you will forever
leave your physical body on

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Earth and continue on into your
next chapter.

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But no matter what the
experience was, it seems that

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those that go through this claim
that this is an experience

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unlike any other.
It's an experience of something

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that human languages fall short
of being able to successfully

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describe.
A word of perfection, belong,

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understanding and clarity.
On the surface, many look at

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this phenomenon as a modern
event brought on by the

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popularity of the subject after
the publishing of the 1975 book

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Life Afterlife by Doctor Raymond
Moody, which in turn spawned

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many different forms of
entertainment to flood the pop

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culture world with references
and stories involving tales of

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the afterlife.
They point to this and claim

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that it is nothing more than a
way for those that crave

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attention to get their fix,
saying that the phenomenon is

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simply a tool in order for quote
UN quote experiencers to get

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their 15 minutes of fame that
they so desperately seek.

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But the truth is that
documentation, this phenomenon

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goes back way further than 1975.
Ancient and medieval

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documentation does exist of
accounts in which a person died

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only to be revived and tell
their stories of how they

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watched themselves in their
final throes of death and saw

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loved ones who passed on in
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We cover all this and much more
today when we dive into the

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mystery of the near death
experience.

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Welcome back to infinite rabbit
hole.

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Imagine.
This line represents the time

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present, 1985 Future Past prior
to this point in time, Somewhere

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in the past, the timeline you've
gone into this tangent, creating

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an alternate 1985 alternate.
Welcome back to the Infinite Rat

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Hole podcast.
I'm your host Jeremy, and today

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we're going to be diving into
the world of the Near Death

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Experience.
Actually, we're going to dive

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into it twice.
This episode end up being a

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little on the long side, so I'm
going to split this up into two,

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let's we'll say shorter
episodes.

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I think they're going to be
about 25 minutes apiece.

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Either way, this is an
absolutely incredible topic and

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it's really tough to explain
because I have never had a topic

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that touched me or changed my
perception of things in a way

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that the Near Death Experience
has.

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It is just absolutely mind
blowing.

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We may be part of something
completely bigger that we may

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not actually just be living our
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Yeah, this ties a little into
the simulation theory and other

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really cool stuff like that.
But, you know, for the most

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part, just looking at this in
the nutshell that it is, it

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really makes you think.
Really, really does.

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And travelers, I just want to
say that if you're listening to

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this episode and you have an
NDE, something along these

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lines, please let us know.
We'd actually love to have you

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up in the episode and talk to
you about it.

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We want to hear it.
Want to hear what you went

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through?
Without further ado, just go

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ahead and slap a 5 star rating
on this podcast if you will.

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It would mean the world and
enjoy travellers.

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I'll see you on the other side.
What is an NDE?

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There are no widely accepted
definitions of what an NDE

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actually is, so let's start with
the acronym itself.

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NDE stands for Near Death
Experience, and those that

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experience these near death
events are referred to as NDERS

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or Near Death Experiencers.
The term near Death experience

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was first coined in the 1975
book Life Afterlife by Doctor

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Raymond Moody, and according to
the book Evidence of the

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Afterlife by Doctor Jeffrey
Long, the definition that his

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organization, the Near Death
Experience Research Foundation,

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or NDERF, assigns to Ndes is
quote events that take place as

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a person is dying or indeed is
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According to the NDERF website,
over 5300 experiencers have

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contributed to their purpose by
answering questionnaires that

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help the organization determine
key factors of each experience

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and the similarities that they
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One such questionnaire being
what they refer to as the NDE

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Scale questions, which consists
of 16 questions about the

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content of their experience,
which when fully answered helps

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the NDERF determine the severity
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Through questionnaires such as
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to determine that there are 12
elements that commonly occur

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during an NDE.
Now not every NDE will have

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every one of these elements, but
at least one of them shows up in

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seemingly most events, these
being one.

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Out of body experience 2.
Heightened senses 3.

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Intense positive emotions 4.
Passing through a tunnel 5.

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Brilliant Light Six other beings
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The Feeling of Time and Space
being altered 8A.

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Life review 9.
Heavenly Realms 10.

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Learning Special Knowledge 11A.
Boundary and 12A.

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Return to the Body.
Also in Long's book, Evidence of

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the Afterlife, Long highlights
the nine reasons why he, as a

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scientifically minded person,
believes that there is in fact

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life after death.
One, the lucid experience 2 The

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out of body experience 3.
Ndes occur during times in which

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they shouldn't. 4IN possible
consciousness. 5 perfect

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playback of life events. 6
reunion with others. 7

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Similarities no matter of the
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Consistency across the world and
its cultures.

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And nine Ndes are life changing.
Now, after the next section,

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we'll dive into these specific
reasons that Long highlights a

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little bit more the skeptic
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Before we dive into the bulk of
this presentation, I want to

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take a second to discuss the
skeptic side of things.

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When it comes to the
authenticity of the near death

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experience, it is important to
understand that there are plenty

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of people in the world, most of
which are scientists in varying

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fields of research, that do not
believe that the NDE is a real

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thing.
One of the first arguments that

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are pointed out by Long in his
book Evidence of the Afterlife

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is the Oprah hypothesis that
points to her show as a major

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influence in people reporting
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Skeptics claim that this is one
of the strongest proofs that the

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NDE is nothing more than a
popularity contest that was

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brought on by Oprah in her show
that glorifies the NDE, which

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leaves many wanting to claim one
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attention for themselves.
There are a few skeptics in

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academia who point towards those
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suffering from an either
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case of mental disorder known as
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This is in response to
experiencers mentioning hearing

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a voice or many voices talking
with them or sharing information

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non verbally and their
recounting of events.

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But as Doctor Bruce Grayson
pointed out, those that suffer

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from schizophrenia tend to be
scared, anxious and wanting to

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get away from the voices over
their episodes.

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But those that experience an NDE
thrive to understand their

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events and most go as far as
seeking those that study the

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phenomenon for answers.
Then there are those that point

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to Ndes as no more than being
influenced by a society that

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glorifies religion.
Long points to Harvard trained

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theologian Carol Zaleski, who he
quotes from a book titled The

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Skeptics Dictionary by Robert
Todd Carroll as saying quote and

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the stories are now known to a
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Thus, when new stories are told
about going into the light, et

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cetera, one has to be concerned
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contaminated.
They may reflect what one has

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heard and what one expects.
Then there are those that are a

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part of a certain religious
group that claim that the entire

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near death experience phenomenon
is the work of Satan himself.

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Another critical point that many
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to in their arguments about Ndes
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idea that many elements such as
the life review are simple

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survival defense mechanisms that
our brain uses when facing the

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scariest parts of our lives.
They specifically call out the

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possibility of the brain may be
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of electrical pulses in the area
of the brain responsible for

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memory that very well could be
perceived to the one who is

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witnessing the flashback.
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biggest mysteries when it comes
to Ndes, which we will talk

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about in length later in the
presentation, is the seemingly

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fact that people under
anaesthesia also experience Ndes

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when their consciousness is
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completely lost.
The skeptic's claim here is that

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there are cases in which the
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correct and there may be too
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order to correctly leave the
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As for the out of body
experience that is claimed by so

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many NDERS, the common skeptic
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nothing more than a fragmented
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that is so good at doing just
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Meaning that the memory of
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someone to die is what is being
remembered, with the holes being

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filled by the mind and is
perceived when the person wakes

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up.
As an NDE, we will be discussing

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the arguments and rebuttals
against all these skeptical

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answers among many other
incredible topics in this

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episode.
The lucid experience.

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There are many incredible
details about Ndes, and one of

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the most incredible pieces of
evidence for the afterlife is

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the fact that even though oxygen
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brain, an Ndes still takes
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To explain a little bit about
what Long means, when the heart

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stops, blood stops flowing to
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parts of the body.
Blood is what carries oxygen to

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these critical parts.
The brain, which is where our

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consciousness is housed within
our body, loses the ability to

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support consciousness after only
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oxygen.
When an electroencephalogram or

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EEG no longer measures
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brain.
The EEG then gives a flatlining

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audible signal and display,
which can then be translated as

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a brain dead situation.
Side note, this technology and

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terminology is also applied to
electrocardiograms or EC GS,

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which measures electrical
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The evidence that Long has
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nderf.org, not only points to
people still having lucidity

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during their ND ES, but they
have a complete understanding of

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everything.
Many have reported being aware

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of not only where they were, but
also everything that they could

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possibly want to know.
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being given to them not verbally
by another being, but rather it

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was just there in their
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Many try to explain how the
reception of knowledge in this

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altered state is not the same
and completely conceptually

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different from the ways that we
gather information in our

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physical lives here on Earth.
They felt like they were a part

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of the universe itself.
In a way.

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The incredible feeling that one
has when they obtain this sense

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of belonging is rivaled by
nothing here on earth, according

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to author Jason Hewlett.
All questions are answered, all

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details are known, and every
life that you live prior has all

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been remembered.
To go along with this, there are

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common descriptions of all
issues from life on earth also

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being gone.
All physical or mental injuries

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and securities, anger,
resentment, anything else

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falling under the constraints of
our earthly lives are gone.

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This information unfortunately
is not carried back over to the

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realm of the living when they
recover, but the sense of

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knowing and pure peace and love
is one that many claim to never

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be able to forget.
This information compounded onto

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the experience of knowledge.
Experiencers also report that

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the colors that they witness are
unearthly and vibrant, unlike

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anything they have ever
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Their thinking is clear and
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plethora of other increased
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a 360° vision or as some have
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One very good piece of evidence
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sheer amount of people who have
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various drugs.
Doctor Bruce Grayson outlines a

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few of these in his book After a
doctor explores what near death

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experiences reveal about life
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The first case he discusses is
that of Justin, who had died

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while overdosing on LSD in
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Justin explains that the trip
was very bad.

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Quote I wanted out but couldn't
stop.

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My worst nightmares were coming
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After about 45 Benson he fell
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At this point all of the
unclarity from the drug was gone

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and he was expelled from his
body into a state of extreme

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clarity and understanding.
Quote I had been through hell

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with LSD, but as soon as I left
my body, that hell left me.

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I was 100% involved in this
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I felt clear and on my toes
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then as Justin was coming back
after being brought to the

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hospital by ambulance, he was
back under the influence of the

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LSD which left him confused and
unable to recognize or do

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anything.
This is incredible as this shows

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an example of the clarity of
Ndes even when the brain is

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clearly under the influence of a
chemical drug.

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The fact that there was LSD,
then a clear NDE, then back into

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the same LSD trip lends to
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So the question that remains is
how is it that in a brain dead

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situation a person can still
have incredible loose

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experiences in the form of an
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One of the 1st events in the
chronological order of an NDE is

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typically the Out of Body
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Doctor Jeffrey Long as the
separation of consciousness from

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the physical body as part of the
lucid memories described in the

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previous section.
The evidence for out of body

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experiences comes from
incredibly detailed descriptions

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of conversations happening not
only nearby but also 10s to

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hundreds of feet away from their
unconscious body, or the perfect

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retelling of events that involve
the attempts of resuscitation on

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their lifeless person.
An OBE caused by a near death

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experience typically involves a
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consciousness as they look down
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Often this involves the
consciousness watching the

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happenings from the corner of
the room's ceiling, and in rare

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occasions the experiencer
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field when compared to their
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involved.
In Longs Book Evidence of the

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Afterlife, Long refers to a
study done by Doctor Michael

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Sabom in 1982 on the
authenticity behind Nders

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claiming out of body experiences
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In this first of its kind
studies, Sabom interviewed 25

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patients who suffered cardiac
crisis who did not report an NDE

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event to see if they could
describe the events of their

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resuscitation as thoroughly as
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This turned out to not be the
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were able to successfully
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much more precisely than those
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To build off of the previous
sections breakdown of the lucid

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experience, the question that
comes to mind is how does one

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perfectly recall the OR station
a doctor had with a loved one

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about their death in the waiting
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Or how can someone retell
details about their attempted

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rescue such as how many times
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their pulse had stopped?
Ndes occur during times in which

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they shouldn't.
The main example that Long

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points at in this piece of
evidence is that people who were

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born blind also have very
detailed visual experiences with

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Ndes.
A person who cannot be given a

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conceptual description of what
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sense of what vision actually is
by inputs to the other four

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senses alone, will have perfect
sight and descriptions of what

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they see in Ndes.
How is this possible if people

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who are born blind don't even
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In their book Mine Site, Doctor
Kenneth Ring and Sharon Cooper

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tell of the experiences of their
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Vicki was blinded shortly after
birth due to damage to her optic

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nerve caused by too much oxygen
in her incubator and has never

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had a dream with visuals in her
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When she was 22 years old, Vicki
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accident.
The injuries that she suffered

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were so bad that it took over a
year for her to completely

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recover.
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following the accident, Vicki
explains that she was able to

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see everything that was going on
from a point of view above the

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wreckage.
She was able to reiterate

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descriptions of things in ways
that she was never able to do

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before, as she claims.
Quote.

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This was the only time I could
ever relate to seeing and to

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what light was because I
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This came from a woman who never
understood the concept of vision

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prior to the incident and is
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Impossible consciousness.
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be absolutely no way that a
person should be able to have an

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out of body experience or even
enough consciousness to have an

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NDE when under general
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And this is also a very common
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that these Ndes are nothing more
than consciousness not being

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fully gone during a procedure
due to too small of a dosage

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being administered.
But Long's rebuttal to this is

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then how do you explain those
that have died on the operating

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table due to too much
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That's still of a vivid NDE.
One thing to note here is that

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general anesthesia affects the
entire body and works to

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complete a state of complete
unconsciousness in the patient.

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This is done for pain relief,
motionlessness, to make the

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procedure safer to conduct,
reduced heart rate which brings

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down the blood pressure so as to
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Removes the ability to remember
the procedure and the one that

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we are most interested in today,
loss of consciousness.

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This procedure is so good at
what it does that patients do

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not even dream while under its
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But yet, a high amount of people
who die while under due to an

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allergic reaction or
complication during surgery

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while under anesthesia claim to
have Ndes with vivid details

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about what is going on during
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This stands as another very
strong argument for Ndes not

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simply being another dream or
hallucination of the mind, as

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this procedure makes it
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to occur.
In an early study conducted by

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Bruce Grayson at the University
of Virginia, they found that 127

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NDERS that experience their Ndes
while under general anesthesia

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claimed the same elements
previously mentioned that the

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other 451 participants in the
study also experienced.

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Not to beat a dead horse, but
the obvious question here is of

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course, how can this be true if
the brain needs to be conscious

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in order to experience a near
death experience like the

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skeptics claim?
Perfect playback of life events.

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Along with my research into the
subject of near death

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experiences, there was one
common event in the period after

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death that really stuck out to
me and the way that many people

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have written about it in their
books is fascinating fascinating

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the event that many interpret
the event slightly differently,

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but in the overall scheme of
things, the basics of the events

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stay the same.
That is the post life event

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known commonly in many religions
and spiritual circles as the

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life review.
First, I'll bring up the

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conversation outlined in Jason
Hewlett and Peter Wren's book,

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Dying Light and Investigation
into Near Death Experiences in

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which Hewlett interviews Scott
Taylor, who within his 36 year

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career at the Monroe Institute
has spent two years as the

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organization's president and
executive director on his

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thoughts and beliefs of various
details within the topic of near

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death experiences.
During this conversation to

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discuss topics such as Taylor's
own personal, quote, UN quote,

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shared death experience with the
son of a love interest of his

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who passed away in the same
accident that sent her son to

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the hospital.
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consciousness after death, the
many theories of our

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consciousness existing on many
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And at the end of this chapter,
they of course touch on the

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topic of the life review.
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describes that during the early
process of death, some people

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describe being paired with a
coach or guide of sorts that

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helps you through the initial
process of transitioning into

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the afterlife.
One of these processes in which

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this guide helps you with is the
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In this life review, the
experiencer has replayed all of

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the scenes from their lives.
Yes, that includes the good and

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the bad, but during this process
there is no judgement and it is

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strictly used as a learning
experience.

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Quote.
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experiencer through their life,
reviewing the good and the bad

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times you've had and the good
and bad things you've done and

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how those affected others.
Taylor is then quoted Quote the

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guide can take and play that
scene the 2nd way where you were

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the nice guy and a compassionate
person instead of being a jerk

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who snipped at the trainee at
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Hewlett then makes a nice little
connection to the theory of the

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multiverse as this is seen as a
possible connection to how the

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information could have been
recorded for you to witness

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during this period and how it
also may be tied into the

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phenomenon of Deja Vu.
One example of a life review

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that not only had the
experiencer relive incredibly

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influencing times in her life
but also from the point of view

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of others is seen in Doctor
Bruce Grayson's book After in

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which he tells of the NDE
experience by a Barbara Harris

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Whitfield when she was 32.
Barbara relived times in her

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life of abuse and neglect at a
very young age by her mother who

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was addicted to various drugs,
was very abusive and angry.

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But not only did she relive
these points in her life from

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her own point of view, but she
also saw it all simultaneously

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through the perspective of her
mother, father and brother as

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well.
She came to learn that her

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mother didn't hate her, she
simply didn't know how to be

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loving and supportive due to her
own relationship with her own

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mother.
She learned that her brother was

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mean to her because of the abuse
that their mother targeted him

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with.
She felt how he was taking the

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pain and embarrassment dealt to
him by their mother and

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reflecting it back to her to
help with his own coping quote.

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I saw and experienced it just as
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At the time it first happened.
Not only was I me, I was also my

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mother, my dad, my brother.
We were all one.

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She wasn't trying to be me.
She didn't know how to be loving

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or kind.
She didn't know how to love.

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Some of these events that are
shown in NDERS are so subtle and

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unremembered that they can only
confirm their authenticity after

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researching the event once they
come back.

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Now tell me, how is that reunion
with others?

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Long points out that a common
event that occurs during an NDE

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is a reunion with people who
have already passed.

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Very rarely is it reported that
an NDE R comes into contact with

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someone who is still alive.
Many times these are people who

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you are familiar with, such as a
parent, sibling, child, friend,

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or grandparent who is already
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But the more intriguing
encounters come from those that

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are not recognizable during the
NDE, who have their identities

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uncovered after the experiencer
sees them in an old family photo

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or they give a description of
them to a family member who does

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know who they are.
How is that possible?

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Another piece of evidence for
the authenticity of the concept

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of near death experiences is the
most common description of

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already deceased members of your
life being the ones that you

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come into contact with.
If this was a trick of the brain

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or even a dream state as many
have explained in the past, then

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it is most likely that the
people you would run into would

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be the ones that your mind has
to do less to project into your

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experience, such as the ones you
see every day who have not

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passed away yet.
Similarities no matter of age

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Children younger than the age of
6 have reported eerily similar

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descriptions to their Ndes as
the people who are older in age.

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In long study of 613 Ndes, he
gathered a total of 26 of which

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were of the age of five or
younger, with an average age of

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3.6 years.
When comparing the 26 young

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child reports with those from
the remaining 587, Long found

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that the elements that we
previously mentioned as being

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commonly experienced during Ndes
were also being experienced by

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the younger group that have not
lived long enough to have

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cultural influences such as the
ones that are pointed to you

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00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,840
from skeptics in the form of the
Oprah hypothesis quote.

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There was no statistically
significant difference in the

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00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,760
response to any of the 33 survey
questions regarding the contents

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00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,560
of the Ndes between very young
children and older children and

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00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,360
adults.
Why is this important?

466
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,720
Well, this is important because
at young ages very few are aware

467
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,080
of such details such as an out
of body experience, life review,

468
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,960
a white light meeting, great
grandparents they never knew

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00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,560
existed, among many other
commonly described details.

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00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,680
This proves that there is
something after death and that

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the outcome of your NDE is not a
symptom of culture, upbringing,

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00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,880
personal beliefs or anything
that you have been influenced to

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00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,000
see.
So if someone's so young and

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00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,560
without any influences to
believe in such events is given

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00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,240
the same descriptive elements as
those that are old enough to

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00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,480
have these influences, then it
is safe to say that there may be

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00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,520
more behind this than it just
being a culturally influenced

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00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,640
Daydream that happens when you
die.

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Consistency across the world
People from all around the world

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00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,160
and back in time, as far as Ndes
have been documented, have all

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00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,920
described very similar details
to one another's experience.

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00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,680
The most common difference
between cultures or other

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00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,400
influences are how these things
are described.

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00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,600
For example, in the case of
sleep paralysis, many western

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00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,760
cultures will tell of an entity
sitting on your chest known as

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00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,360
the old hag, or how they feel
like they are being watched by

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00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,680
someone in the shadows of their
peripherals.

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00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,280
But in other portions of the
world this is changed to demons,

489
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,440
aliens, goblins, or elves among
many others.

490
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,360
They may all be using different
words to describe what they

491
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,280
believed to be in the room with
them, but they all seem to be

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00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,640
describing the same general
experience.

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00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,320
Doctor Jeffrey Long established
the world's largest cross

494
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,200
cultural study on the phenomenon
of Ndes and through his studies

495
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,520
he makes 2 statements regarding
the topic of how cultural

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00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,400
influences can change Ndes.
Quote the core NDE experience is

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00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,720
the same all over the world and
quote pre-existing cultural

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00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,120
beliefs do not significantly
influence the content of Ndes.

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00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,880
To back up these claims, he uses
the experiences told to him by

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00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,920
the experiencer to highlight
similarities with the major

501
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,920
elements that were discussed in
the beginning of this

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00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,040
presentation.
Similarities such as OB ES,

503
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,200
tunnels, bright lights, peace,
beings of light, the life

504
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,480
review, transformation of
attitude and lifestyle after

505
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,320
experience and a reluctance to
come back to their earthly body.

506
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,800
This also applies to cases of
children under the age of five

507
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,400
and people who have died due to
the complications from

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00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,400
anesthesia from all around the
world.

509
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,720
All of this coming from Long's
database of NDE events, which

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00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,800
includes over 2000 non-english
Ndes from 20 different

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00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,360
languages.
The most shocking result from

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00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,200
the pool of Ndes wasn't that
there seemed to be no

513
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,280
differences in what elements
were included in the Ndes, but

514
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,680
rather that there was also no
difference in the frequency of

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00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,080
these elements.
Quote.

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00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,240
The percentage of Ndes with each
NDE element was the same in both

517
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,640
groups.
No NDE element occurred

518
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,040
statistically significantly more
or less often in either group,

519
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,560
according to Doctor Bruce
Grayson in his book After a

520
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Doctor Explores What near death
Experience Reveal About life and

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00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,200
the Beyond.
The similarities don't just stop

522
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,720
with distance in the length, but
are also reflected in text from

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00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,320
time as well.
Quote I discovered a multitude

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00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,160
of NDE accounts from ancient
Greek and Roman sources, all the

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00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,000
major religious traditions,
narratives collected from

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00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,400
indigenous populations of the
world, and medical literature of

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00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,600
the 19th and early 20th
centuries.

528
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,040
Doctor Bruce Grayson tells of a
surgeon, Sir Alexander Ogston of

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00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,160
the Scottish military, who felt
I'll with typhoid fever in 1900

530
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,000
and would later document his
experience after obtaining

531
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,040
confirmation from the sisters of
the hospital that what he did

532
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,920
witness during his NDE did in
fact happen exactly as he said.

533
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,480
Quote.
I saw plainly, for instance, a

534
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,680
poor RAMC surgeon, of whose
existence I did not know, and

535
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,040
who was in quite another part of
the hospital, grow very ill,

536
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,800
scream and die Afterwards.
When I told these happenings to

537
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,840
the Sisters, they informed me
that all this had happened, just

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00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,360
as I fancied.
But what about people of varying

539
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,560
mental states?
Could a person's mental state

540
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,480
have anything to do with the
rate of NDE occurrences?

541
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,400
In Grayson's book, he also
highlighted a year long study in

542
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,360
which he looked at two
questions.

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00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,360
Does someone with a mental
disorder such as depression,

544
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,360
anxiety, PTSD, or dissociation
among many others have a higher

545
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,960
rate of reporting an NDE?
And the reverse question of do

546
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,120
those that have reported Ndes
typically have mental health

547
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,400
disorders as well?
After his review of over 800

548
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,560
subjects, Grayson determined
that there was in fact no

549
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,640
difference between the rate of
NDE occurrences and those that

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00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,200
suffer from mental health
disorders when compared to the

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00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,200
rates from studies that did not
separate their subjects into

552
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,120
such categories.
Yet again, this was just another

553
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,960
piece of evidence and the point
made by Long that there really

554
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,200
does seem to not be any
difference in the rate of Ndes

555
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,040
and occurrences in people from
different places, cultures,

556
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:22,320
time, and health.
Well, that's all we have for you

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00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,800
today.
Like I said in the intro, going

558
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,920
to have to go ahead and split
this one into two.

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00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,120
Just riding slightly long.
So we're going to end it here.

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00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,720
But next week we're going to go
ahead and finish up with

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00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,160
Grayson's points and then we're
going to jump into some other

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00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,040
stuff like science as well as
some stuff that other

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00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,320
researchers have pointed out
throughout the years.

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00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,480
Well, until next time everybody,
my name is Jeremy and I'll see

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00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,920
you in the next fork in the bath
of the Infinite Rabbit Hole.

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00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,920
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