June 11, 2024
169. Near Death Experiences 2
Today we continue our coverage of the mystery of the Near Death Experience! Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole!
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And welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole.
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I'm your host Jeremy.
And today we're going to go
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ahead and wrap up our coverage
on near death experiences.
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We're going to start off with
Doctor Grayson's last point and
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then we're going to go ahead and
jump into some of other people's
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research and then we're going to
jump into some of the science
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and maybe a topic here and there
as well before we get started.
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And then I don't want to take
too long.
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Go ahead and rate US five stars
if you would, please.
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Without further ado, travelers,
let's go ahead and jump right
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into this.
No waiting here today.
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We'll see you on the other side.
And DES are life changing.
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The last piece of evidence for
the belief that there is an
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afterlife comes from not
something that happens during
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the experience, but rather what
happens afterwards.
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Many people who experience an
NDE no longer fear death, have a
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greater appreciation for life,
and often times begin to seek
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out ways that they can help
others who fear this transition
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or are suffering from something
that has them knocking on
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death's door.
Many even claim to have been
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either permanently or
temporarily given gifts of
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supernatural psychic type that
puts them more balance with
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those that are around them.
Although there are many who come
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out of an NDE with a new
positive look on life, there are
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plenty that come out and have a
very negative outcome from the
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experience.
Typically, this does not come
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from the experience itself,
rather it comes from the time
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after the experience.
Many people will mention their
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experience to their healthcare
professional who was active in
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their events or to their general
health practitioner.
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This is usually the point in
which the experience becomes
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negative as they are made to
believe that the visions were
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induced by drugs or lack of
oxygen.
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Sometimes the negative events
don't happen with a doctor, but
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rather happen when they discuss
their experience with a family
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member or friend.
Many have reported being
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ridiculed over the admittance of
an NDE, with the other person
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claiming that they are looking
for attention, were on drugs, or
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were just generally lying.
This of course would present a
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negative experience to anyone
and would push someone into the
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shadows of life more than they
ever were.
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Now the experience not only
makes them ashamed of being
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accused of lying, but they also
now don't feel safe enough to
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actually discuss this experience
with anyone, even in a
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productive manner.
While doing my research and
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reading book after after book
after book about Ndes, one topic
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kept coming up and that was the
fact that many people who come
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forward once about their
experience will never come
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forward again if the first time
is a negative reaction.
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I have found statistics that
claim 15 to 20% of those that
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suffer an event that nearly or
actually does kill them report
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having an NDE.
But there are many who believe
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that this number could be much
higher.
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But those who have had the
experience will not come forward
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due to fear of a negative
experience from those that they
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trust with their information.
But those that do come forward
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with their story do end up
having a new positive look on
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aspects of their lives and their
attitudes.
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There also seems to be a
phenomenon with those that do
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nearly die but don't report an
NDE or even claim that there was
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no way that they experienced an
NDE in which the person who
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nearly died or was pronounced
dead at some point changes their
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life habits, attitude and their
personality in some way.
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Could this mean that they did
have an experience and will
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mention it at some point?
Or maybe that they had an
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experience, they do not remember
it.
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Or maybe there is something more
to the aspect of death and
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effects that it has on a human's
life.
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One day we may find out, but
we'll cover that in another
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episode.
According to a study by PMH
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Atwater in Jeffrey Long's book
Evidence of the Afterlife,
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Atwater claims to have found
that it takes the average Nder
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about seven years to fully
understand, mentally recover and
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integrate back into their normal
lives after an NDE.
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But no matter the study, it
seems that a common conclusion
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is that the experiencer tends to
come out with a new look on
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life, which most typically comes
out positive.
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With such changes as quote more
self-confidence, stronger sense
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of spirituality, they reduce
interest in material gainer
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status and a greater
appreciation of life, says Long.
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Other studies have also found
that these positive outcomes
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also come with such changes as a
belief in the sacredness in
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life, a sense of a godly
presence and understanding of
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meaning and life's purpose and
awareness of the needs of
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others, increased value of love
and peace, a decreased fear of
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death, an increased belief in
the afterlife and a goal to live
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a more fulfilling life.
The other detailed One of the
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most commonly reported
descriptions from a near death
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experience come from the process
of death itself, that being the
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famous white light that appears
to you, and just prior to that
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is the third person view or out
of body experience that you have
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of your dying body.
Numerous reports claim to have
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one or the other experience, and
in most cases in which the white
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light is discussed, the third
person view is also present.
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Among some of the other common
details that are described are
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that the experiencers still sees
themselves as a physical being,
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with a few others reporting that
they were more of a light or
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essence.
Experiencers often come across a
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guide of some sorts, which is
commonly described as a loved
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one who has previously passed on
or someone who gives off the
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feeling of being the one who can
best be described as God.
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But no matter who this guide
ends up being, there seems to
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regularly be a period of re
establishment into the afterlife
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that this guide helps you
through as you remember who you
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really are.
This brings to attention one of
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the most famous cases of Ndes
ever, that being the case of
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neurosurgeon Even Alexander in
2000, 1008, when he was
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medically induced into a coma
while fighting a bacterial
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infection in his brain known as
meningitis.
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While in the coma, his situation
grew worse as pus began
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surrounding his brain and was
given a very slim chance of
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survival.
But on day 6 the coma, he
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surprised everyone and opened
his eyes.
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At first he had symptoms of
confusion and amnesia as well as
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having difficulty controlling
various parts of his body, but a
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few days later everything began
to return to normal.
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It was then that he began
talking about his out of body
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experience he had while
comatose.
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He described an incredible
peaceful feeling, a light that
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brought him out of his body,
watching people pray over his
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body in the most shocking detail
of a young female that acted as
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a guide for him while away from
his body.
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He was completely unaware of who
she was and did his best to
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explain her features, but nobody
knew who he could possibly be
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talking about.
Well, a few months after the
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coma, Dr. Alexander, who was
adopted at birth, found his
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biological parent and that is
where he found out that he had a
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biological sister who passed
away 10 years prior.
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One looked at a picture of her
and he knew exactly who his
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mystery guide in the afterlife
was.
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More on this case in a future
episode of The Infinite Rabbit
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Hole.
In Doctor Grayson's book after,
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Grayson points out a detail that
he saw fluently in his research
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subjects and to ease the
workings of the mind while
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experiencing one of these events
seem to work at a much higher
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and perfect efficiency while
thinking, speaking not verbally
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and the processing of
information quote.
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What I found is that many of
them did report that their
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thoughts become much faster,
clearer, and more logical than
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usual.
This not only affects the mind,
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but seems to also affect the
senses of hearing and vision in
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many cases as well.
Many experiencers detail
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incredible colors or lights that
they cannot explain with human
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words, ones that they have never
seen or could even conceptualize
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from their earthly perspective.
The same goes for the sense of
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hearing, as many specifically
detail the ability to hear every
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single detail of the area in
which their near death
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experience took place.
In Grayson's book titled After,
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he quotes a man by the name of
Greg Gnome who drowned after
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going over a waterfall.
Suddenly I could hear and see as
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never before.
The sound of the waterfall was
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just so crisp and clear that it
really is indescribable.
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Another important detail that
was outlined by Grayson is a
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seemingly different perception
of time.
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He highlights in many different
accounts which describe a lack
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of time or time that was moving
much slower in the physical
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world.
Experiencers have regularly
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described how their events it
felt like hours, days, months or
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even years, but in reality only
a few seconds or minutes had
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passed in the physical world.
And the last commonly described
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detail is the environment of the
afterlife.
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To be clear, there are typically
two different categories of
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environments commonly described,
one of which is in the setting
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of the cosmos where you are
surrounded by infinite black.
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In some cases this is amongst
stars, planets, black holes,
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quasars and nebulas, and in
other cases this is simply just
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a void lacking any color
whatsoever.
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The second category of
environment is more earthbound
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or human experience, which comes
in the shape of a building with
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a long hallway with many rooms
attached for processing, or a
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beautiful garden with many
experiencers reporting both.
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A modern look at an ancient
mystery In Jason Hewlett and
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Peter Wren's book Dying Light,
an investigation into near death
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experiences, Hewlett discusses a
more modern technique to the
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research going on into the
phenomenon of near death
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experiences.
Through this chapter of the
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book, he dives into
conversations with Andrea Soto
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of Western University's Brain
and Mind Institute in which they
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discuss the usage of test mining
and AI technologies to help
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extract information from 158
different written accounts of
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near death experiencers.
This process began by asking
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experiencers to write down
whatever they remember from
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their experience in an essay
format without any limitations.
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The purpose of this was to
remove the limitations of
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multiple choice answers and
attempt to rid the possibility
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of creating a false memory in
the person who is being
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surveyed.
The very first thing they did
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with the information compiled by
158 different accounts was to
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look for repeated words and what
their frequency was.
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While using AI technologies,
they found that there were some
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30 different descriptive words
that were used on regularity
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like light, tunnel, body and
death.
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The word light was discovered to
appear in 106 accounts of the
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158 or 67% tunnel showed up 55
times.
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So Do then goes on to describe
what exactly they did, with the
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information paraphrased by
Hewlett as quote.
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If words like light and tunnel
are present in all the
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documented cases, there is
substantially no distance
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between them.
Says so Do.
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If words like light and tunnel
are present in all the
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documented cases, there is
substantially no distance
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between them.
If a word is present in one
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account but not in any other,
there is a great distance
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between them.
By taking this step they were
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then able to discover that
positive toned words show up
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much more frequently like sea
and light, and when compared to
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negative tone words like death
and fear.
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After this step they looked at
the specific position of these
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terms and whether or not they
were used to describe the
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general experience or just a
small portion of it, or possibly
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even the time before or after
the experience took place.
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This then showed that the vast
majority of the actual near
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death with experiences that were
recorded were viewed as a
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positive experience by the
person who experienced them.
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They were also able to discover
that most accounts describe
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certain details, such as a light
or tunnel, and some even
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described a tunnel of light
science.
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In the 1950s, neurosurgeon
Wilder Penfield of the McGill
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University's Montreal
Neurological Institute became
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the most well known name in the
studies involving the mapping of
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the brain and what areas are
responsible for what action.
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His studies were based around
patients who suffered from
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seizures that were not made
better with medication.
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According to the website
clevelandclinic.org, a seizure
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is a medical condition where you
have a temporary unstable surge
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of electrical activity in your
brain.
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When that happens, the affected
brain cells uncontrollably fire
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signals to others around them,
which overload the areas of the
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brain.
In the 1950s, the answer to this
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was to find the area of the
brain that was causing the
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seizures and remove it.
Penfield's process for finding
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the culprit section of the brain
was to apply small shocks of
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electricity to various parts of
the patient's brain in order to
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force the condition causing the
patient to seize was to apply
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small shocks of electricity to
various parts of the patient's
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brain in order to force the
conditions causing the patient
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to cease.
Side note, this does not hurt by
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the way, because the brain does
not have any pain receptors.
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So through these trials he found
that by applying a small dose of
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electricity to different areas
of the brain, he could make
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people smell things, swallow as
if they were eating food, say
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random phrases, claim that they
felt like they were spinning or
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standing up even when they were
laying on their backs.
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He went to run tests on various
areas of the brain on 1132
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different patients, with only
two claiming to experience
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anything resembling a symptom of
an out of body experience.
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One of which, according to
Doctor Grayson, occurred when
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Penfield removed the electrical
current from the patient's
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brain, which caused the patient
to then claim that it felt like
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he was leaving his body, and
another patient claimed to feel
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as if they were halfway there
and halfway somewhere else.
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But other than these two cases,
there is nothing in Penfield's
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reports that point to anything
resembling an out of body
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experience.
A popular skeptical argument
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against Ndes, or more
specifically the out of body
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experience and the life review,
come from the idea that the
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brain may be firing off one last
finale of electrical pulses in
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the areas of the brain that
stimulate memories and other
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feelings or actions.
This is easily put to test due
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to the fact that the EE GS show
that brain activity reduces
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after about 6 seconds after the
heart stops and all signs of
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brain activity are completely
gone after another 10 to 20
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seconds without ever having a
spike from the input of
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electrical data.
Therefore, there is no increase
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of electrical activity that is
responsible for this phenomena.
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One last thing I would like to
touch on one last thing before I
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end this presentation.
In Doctor Bruce Grayson's book
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after he touches on a concept
that was considered for
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apparently many centuries that
he loosely refers to as the
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filter model.
The filter model hypothesizes
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that the brain is a filter and
without it our consciousness or
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mind is unfiltered.
The filter exists to reduce the
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amount of input data that our
senses can perceive so that we
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do not become overstimulated.
Rather, it controls the contents
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and the amount of said contents
in order to allow for only the
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information and knowledge that
is necessary for survival.
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Grayson quotes the Greek
philosopher Hippocrates from
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over 2000 years ago stating the
brain is the most powerful organ
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of the human body, for when it
is healthy it is an interpreter
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to US of the phenomenon that
gives U.S. intelligence to
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conscious.
The brain is the messenger.
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Wherefore I assert that the
brain is the interpreter of
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consciousness.
He uses this quote as a way to
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prove that the belief that the
brain and the mind have been
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considered to be two different
entities for a very long time,
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although there was a time
between then and now that this
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was not the case.
This way of thinking seems to be
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making AU turn, though, with
many neurologists and other
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doctors or scientists referenced
in Grayson's book being of the
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belief that the mind and the
brain are independent of each
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other.
Almost immediately after his
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quote from Hippocrates, he
quotes an English philosopher
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from the early 1900s name Aldous
Huxley as saying quote.
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The function of the brain and
nervous system is to protect us
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from being overwhelmed and
confused by his mass of largely
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useless and irrelevant
knowledge, by shutting out most
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of what we should otherwise
perceive or remember at any
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moment, and leaving only that
very small and special selection
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which is likely to be
practically used.
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As far as we are animals, our
business is at all costs to
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survive.
To make biological survival
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possible, many at large has to
be funneled through the reducing
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valve of the brain and nervous
system which comes out.
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On the other end is a measly
trickle of the kind of
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consciousness which will help us
stay alive on the surface of
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this particular planet.
Yet again, this quote highlights
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the belief that the brain acts
as a filter for our survival.
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And when you think of the many
things that can go medically
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wrong with the brain, all of
which will alter our ability to
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perceive or use the information
that is given to us, this filter
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model that Grayson refers to
starts to make sense.
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Now, this part is only my own
theories based on how I
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interpret the information
outlined by Grayson and the
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others that I researched after
learning of this hypothesis.
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I am not a neurologist, nor do I
claim to have any specialty in
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any critical field that
qualifies me to make these
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assumptions, so please do not
take it as fact or as if it were
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coming from anyone else's mind
other than my own.
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But in order to make this whole
thing make sense and to show why
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I brought this up in the first
place in order to make it all
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connect for me, I see it as
possibly a flow of stages of
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existence.
First, we are born.
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Our physical bodies enter this
world with a brain that is
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completely blocking out all
knowledge and experiences that
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we will slowly get later as our
lives go on.
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Our minds are a blank slate and
our brain is a tool that we use
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to filter specific information
to gradually give us everything
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we need to survive and only that
information.
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This, as Grayson points out, is
our brain's way of ensuring our
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overall safety by controlling
the inputs of information to our
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minds.
This will make more sense soon.
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As we grow, our brain learns
that there is more and more
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information that is required for
survival and slowly filters less
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and less until we get to our
peak knowledge and experience
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near death and old age.
Those that experience an NDE
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have their minds separated from
their physical bodies which
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removes the filter that is the
brain.
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This would explain the reports
of new colors, sounds, feelings,
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the flow of infinite knowledge,
the peacefulness, the ability to
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move around without the
constraints of a physical body,
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and the feeling that this
experience is the true reality
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as compared to the one where the
brain filters everything.
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Then as those come back from
their NDE, they find it hard to
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be able to explain in words what
it was that they experienced
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since their brain is once again
acting as a filter of our
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knowledge and we no longer have
the tools to express what we
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experienced.
The very loose comparison I can
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make to what I am trying to say
is to think of our lives as
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humans on earth as the necessary
process of the birth of a mind.
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Sort of like that of a
Caterpillar and a cocoon.
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To become a butterfly, our minds
do need this physical form.
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Why that is, I don't know yet,
and it seems important due to
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our overall obsession of
survival in the brain acting as
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a filter against extra voices or
bombardment of information
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entering our minds that would
undoubtedly distract us to the
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point of possible insanity,
ultimately removing us from the
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goal of survival.
Those that experience Ndes
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commonly claim that they are
told to return to their physical
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body to finish something or to
gather information about
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something unknown.
This would make sense that the
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process of going through a
physical state is important.
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Finally, as our bodies begin to
decay and the filter of our
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brain begins to close up, we
enter the waning hours of our
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physical lives, and as we die,
our minds are released into the
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afterlife, fulfilled in the
goals of our physical selves.
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The cocoon breaks open.
And we spread our wings for the
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first time, ready for all the
information and experiences that
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are waiting for us in our next
reality.
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Well, that's it travellers.
That is my coverage of the Near
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Death experience.
Again, like I said in the
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introduction, if you have had an
experience with an NDE, please
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let us know.
We'd love to have you on the
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show.
I I would love to talk about
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your experience.
I, I find this stuff absolutely
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incredible and mind blowing.
Like I said, this has changed my
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life, or at least the view on my
life.
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And I'm, I'm really excited to,
to dive into it even more.
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I would be pretty surprised if
you guys didn't get another
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episode of Ndes somewhere down
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I just feel like there's more to
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I do have a couple more books I
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So yeah, of course.
You know, I think it's natural
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And welcome back to the Infinite
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I'm your host Jeremy.
And today we're going to go
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ahead and wrap up our coverage
on near death experiences.
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We're going to start off with
Doctor Grayson's last point and
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then we're going to go ahead and
jump into some of other people's
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We'll see you on the other side.
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The last piece of evidence for
the belief that there is an
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afterlife comes from not
something that happens during
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the experience, but rather what
happens afterwards.
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Many people who experience an
NDE no longer fear death, have a
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greater appreciation for life,
and often times begin to seek
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out ways that they can help
others who fear this transition
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or are suffering from something
that has them knocking on
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death's door.
Many even claim to have been
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either permanently or
temporarily given gifts of
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supernatural psychic type that
puts them more balance with
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those that are around them.
Although there are many who come
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out of an NDE with a new
positive look on life, there are
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plenty that come out and have a
very negative outcome from the
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experience.
Typically, this does not come
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from the experience itself,
rather it comes from the time
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after the experience.
Many people will mention their
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experience to their healthcare
professional who was active in
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their events or to their general
health practitioner.
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This is usually the point in
which the experience becomes
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negative as they are made to
believe that the visions were
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induced by drugs or lack of
oxygen.
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Sometimes the negative events
don't happen with a doctor, but
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rather happen when they discuss
their experience with a family
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member or friend.
Many have reported being
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ridiculed over the admittance of
an NDE, with the other person
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claiming that they are looking
for attention, were on drugs, or
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were just generally lying.
This of course would present a
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negative experience to anyone
and would push someone into the
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shadows of life more than they
ever were.
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Now the experience not only
makes them ashamed of being
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accused of lying, but they also
now don't feel safe enough to
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actually discuss this experience
with anyone, even in a
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productive manner.
While doing my research and
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reading book after after book
after book about Ndes, one topic
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kept coming up and that was the
fact that many people who come
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forward once about their
experience will never come
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forward again if the first time
is a negative reaction.
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I have found statistics that
claim 15 to 20% of those that
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suffer an event that nearly or
actually does kill them report
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having an NDE.
But there are many who believe
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that this number could be much
higher.
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But those who have had the
experience will not come forward
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due to fear of a negative
experience from those that they
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trust with their information.
But those that do come forward
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with their story do end up
having a new positive look on
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aspects of their lives and their
attitudes.
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There also seems to be a
phenomenon with those that do
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nearly die but don't report an
NDE or even claim that there was
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no way that they experienced an
NDE in which the person who
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nearly died or was pronounced
dead at some point changes their
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life habits, attitude and their
personality in some way.
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Could this mean that they did
have an experience and will
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mention it at some point?
Or maybe that they had an
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experience, they do not remember
it.
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Or maybe there is something more
to the aspect of death and
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effects that it has on a human's
life.
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One day we may find out, but
we'll cover that in another
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episode.
According to a study by PMH
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Atwater in Jeffrey Long's book
Evidence of the Afterlife,
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Atwater claims to have found
that it takes the average Nder
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about seven years to fully
understand, mentally recover and
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integrate back into their normal
lives after an NDE.
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But no matter the study, it
seems that a common conclusion
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is that the experiencer tends to
come out with a new look on
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life, which most typically comes
out positive.
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With such changes as quote more
self-confidence, stronger sense
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of spirituality, they reduce
interest in material gainer
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status and a greater
appreciation of life, says Long.
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Other studies have also found
that these positive outcomes
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also come with such changes as a
belief in the sacredness in
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life, a sense of a godly
presence and understanding of
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meaning and life's purpose and
awareness of the needs of
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others, increased value of love
and peace, a decreased fear of
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death, an increased belief in
the afterlife and a goal to live
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a more fulfilling life.
The other detailed One of the
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most commonly reported
descriptions from a near death
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experience come from the process
of death itself, that being the
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famous white light that appears
to you, and just prior to that
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is the third person view or out
of body experience that you have
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of your dying body.
Numerous reports claim to have
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one or the other experience, and
in most cases in which the white
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light is discussed, the third
person view is also present.
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Among some of the other common
details that are described are
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that the experiencers still sees
themselves as a physical being,
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with a few others reporting that
they were more of a light or
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essence.
Experiencers often come across a
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guide of some sorts, which is
commonly described as a loved
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one who has previously passed on
or someone who gives off the
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feeling of being the one who can
best be described as God.
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But no matter who this guide
ends up being, there seems to
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regularly be a period of re
establishment into the afterlife
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that this guide helps you
through as you remember who you
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really are.
This brings to attention one of
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the most famous cases of Ndes
ever, that being the case of
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neurosurgeon Even Alexander in
2000, 1008, when he was
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medically induced into a coma
while fighting a bacterial
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infection in his brain known as
meningitis.
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While in the coma, his situation
grew worse as pus began
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surrounding his brain and was
given a very slim chance of
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survival.
But on day 6 the coma, he
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surprised everyone and opened
his eyes.
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At first he had symptoms of
confusion and amnesia as well as
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having difficulty controlling
various parts of his body, but a
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few days later everything began
to return to normal.
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It was then that he began
talking about his out of body
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experience he had while
comatose.
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He described an incredible
peaceful feeling, a light that
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brought him out of his body,
watching people pray over his
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body in the most shocking detail
of a young female that acted as
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a guide for him while away from
his body.
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He was completely unaware of who
she was and did his best to
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explain her features, but nobody
knew who he could possibly be
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talking about.
Well, a few months after the
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coma, Dr. Alexander, who was
adopted at birth, found his
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biological parent and that is
where he found out that he had a
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biological sister who passed
away 10 years prior.
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One looked at a picture of her
and he knew exactly who his
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mystery guide in the afterlife
was.
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More on this case in a future
episode of The Infinite Rabbit
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Hole.
In Doctor Grayson's book after,
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Grayson points out a detail that
he saw fluently in his research
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subjects and to ease the
workings of the mind while
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experiencing one of these events
seem to work at a much higher
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and perfect efficiency while
thinking, speaking not verbally
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and the processing of
information quote.
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What I found is that many of
them did report that their
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thoughts become much faster,
clearer, and more logical than
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usual.
This not only affects the mind,
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but seems to also affect the
senses of hearing and vision in
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many cases as well.
Many experiencers detail
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incredible colors or lights that
they cannot explain with human
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words, ones that they have never
seen or could even conceptualize
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from their earthly perspective.
The same goes for the sense of
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hearing, as many specifically
detail the ability to hear every
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single detail of the area in
which their near death
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experience took place.
In Grayson's book titled After,
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he quotes a man by the name of
Greg Gnome who drowned after
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going over a waterfall.
Suddenly I could hear and see as
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never before.
The sound of the waterfall was
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just so crisp and clear that it
really is indescribable.
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Another important detail that
was outlined by Grayson is a
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seemingly different perception
of time.
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He highlights in many different
accounts which describe a lack
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of time or time that was moving
much slower in the physical
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world.
Experiencers have regularly
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described how their events it
felt like hours, days, months or
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even years, but in reality only
a few seconds or minutes had
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passed in the physical world.
And the last commonly described
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detail is the environment of the
afterlife.
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To be clear, there are typically
two different categories of
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environments commonly described,
one of which is in the setting
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of the cosmos where you are
surrounded by infinite black.
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In some cases this is amongst
stars, planets, black holes,
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quasars and nebulas, and in
other cases this is simply just
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a void lacking any color
whatsoever.
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The second category of
environment is more earthbound
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or human experience, which comes
in the shape of a building with
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a long hallway with many rooms
attached for processing, or a
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beautiful garden with many
experiencers reporting both.
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A modern look at an ancient
mystery In Jason Hewlett and
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Peter Wren's book Dying Light,
an investigation into near death
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experiences, Hewlett discusses a
more modern technique to the
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research going on into the
phenomenon of near death
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experiences.
Through this chapter of the
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book, he dives into
conversations with Andrea Soto
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of Western University's Brain
and Mind Institute in which they
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discuss the usage of test mining
and AI technologies to help
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extract information from 158
different written accounts of
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near death experiencers.
This process began by asking
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experiencers to write down
whatever they remember from
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their experience in an essay
format without any limitations.
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The purpose of this was to
remove the limitations of
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multiple choice answers and
attempt to rid the possibility
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of creating a false memory in
the person who is being
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surveyed.
The very first thing they did
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with the information compiled by
158 different accounts was to
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look for repeated words and what
their frequency was.
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While using AI technologies,
they found that there were some
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30 different descriptive words
that were used on regularity
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like light, tunnel, body and
death.
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The word light was discovered to
appear in 106 accounts of the
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158 or 67% tunnel showed up 55
times.
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So Do then goes on to describe
what exactly they did, with the
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information paraphrased by
Hewlett as quote.
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If words like light and tunnel
are present in all the
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documented cases, there is
substantially no distance
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between them.
Says so Do.
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If words like light and tunnel
are present in all the
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documented cases, there is
substantially no distance
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between them.
If a word is present in one
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account but not in any other,
there is a great distance
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between them.
By taking this step they were
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then able to discover that
positive toned words show up
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much more frequently like sea
and light, and when compared to
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negative tone words like death
and fear.
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After this step they looked at
the specific position of these
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terms and whether or not they
were used to describe the
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general experience or just a
small portion of it, or possibly
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even the time before or after
the experience took place.
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This then showed that the vast
majority of the actual near
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death with experiences that were
recorded were viewed as a
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positive experience by the
person who experienced them.
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They were also able to discover
that most accounts describe
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certain details, such as a light
or tunnel, and some even
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described a tunnel of light
science.
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In the 1950s, neurosurgeon
Wilder Penfield of the McGill
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University's Montreal
Neurological Institute became
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the most well known name in the
studies involving the mapping of
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the brain and what areas are
responsible for what action.
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His studies were based around
patients who suffered from
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seizures that were not made
better with medication.
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According to the website
clevelandclinic.org, a seizure
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is a medical condition where you
have a temporary unstable surge
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of electrical activity in your
brain.
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When that happens, the affected
brain cells uncontrollably fire
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signals to others around them,
which overload the areas of the
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brain.
In the 1950s, the answer to this
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was to find the area of the
brain that was causing the
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seizures and remove it.
Penfield's process for finding
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the culprit section of the brain
was to apply small shocks of
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electricity to various parts of
the patient's brain in order to
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force the condition causing the
patient to seize was to apply
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small shocks of electricity to
various parts of the patient's
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brain in order to force the
conditions causing the patient
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to cease.
Side note, this does not hurt by
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the way, because the brain does
not have any pain receptors.
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So through these trials he found
that by applying a small dose of
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electricity to different areas
of the brain, he could make
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people smell things, swallow as
if they were eating food, say
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random phrases, claim that they
felt like they were spinning or
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standing up even when they were
laying on their backs.
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He went to run tests on various
areas of the brain on 1132
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different patients, with only
two claiming to experience
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anything resembling a symptom of
an out of body experience.
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One of which, according to
Doctor Grayson, occurred when
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Penfield removed the electrical
current from the patient's
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brain, which caused the patient
to then claim that it felt like
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he was leaving his body, and
another patient claimed to feel
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as if they were halfway there
and halfway somewhere else.
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But other than these two cases,
there is nothing in Penfield's
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reports that point to anything
resembling an out of body
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experience.
A popular skeptical argument
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against Ndes, or more
specifically the out of body
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experience and the life review,
come from the idea that the
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brain may be firing off one last
finale of electrical pulses in
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the areas of the brain that
stimulate memories and other
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feelings or actions.
This is easily put to test due
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to the fact that the EE GS show
that brain activity reduces
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after about 6 seconds after the
heart stops and all signs of
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brain activity are completely
gone after another 10 to 20
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seconds without ever having a
spike from the input of
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electrical data.
Therefore, there is no increase
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of electrical activity that is
responsible for this phenomena.
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One last thing I would like to
touch on one last thing before I
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end this presentation.
In Doctor Bruce Grayson's book
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after he touches on a concept
that was considered for
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apparently many centuries that
he loosely refers to as the
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filter model.
The filter model hypothesizes
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that the brain is a filter and
without it our consciousness or
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mind is unfiltered.
The filter exists to reduce the
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amount of input data that our
senses can perceive so that we
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do not become overstimulated.
Rather, it controls the contents
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and the amount of said contents
in order to allow for only the
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information and knowledge that
is necessary for survival.
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Grayson quotes the Greek
philosopher Hippocrates from
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over 2000 years ago stating the
brain is the most powerful organ
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of the human body, for when it
is healthy it is an interpreter
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to US of the phenomenon that
gives U.S. intelligence to
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conscious.
The brain is the messenger.
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Wherefore I assert that the
brain is the interpreter of
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consciousness.
He uses this quote as a way to
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prove that the belief that the
brain and the mind have been
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considered to be two different
entities for a very long time,
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although there was a time
between then and now that this
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was not the case.
This way of thinking seems to be
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making AU turn, though, with
many neurologists and other
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doctors or scientists referenced
in Grayson's book being of the
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belief that the mind and the
brain are independent of each
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other.
Almost immediately after his
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quote from Hippocrates, he
quotes an English philosopher
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from the early 1900s name Aldous
Huxley as saying quote.
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The function of the brain and
nervous system is to protect us
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from being overwhelmed and
confused by his mass of largely
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useless and irrelevant
knowledge, by shutting out most
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of what we should otherwise
perceive or remember at any
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moment, and leaving only that
very small and special selection
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which is likely to be
practically used.
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As far as we are animals, our
business is at all costs to
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survive.
To make biological survival
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possible, many at large has to
be funneled through the reducing
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valve of the brain and nervous
system which comes out.
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On the other end is a measly
trickle of the kind of
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consciousness which will help us
stay alive on the surface of
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this particular planet.
Yet again, this quote highlights
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the belief that the brain acts
as a filter for our survival.
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And when you think of the many
things that can go medically
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wrong with the brain, all of
which will alter our ability to
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perceive or use the information
that is given to us, this filter
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model that Grayson refers to
starts to make sense.
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Now, this part is only my own
theories based on how I
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interpret the information
outlined by Grayson and the
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others that I researched after
learning of this hypothesis.
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I am not a neurologist, nor do I
claim to have any specialty in
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any critical field that
qualifies me to make these
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assumptions, so please do not
take it as fact or as if it were
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coming from anyone else's mind
other than my own.
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But in order to make this whole
thing make sense and to show why
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I brought this up in the first
place in order to make it all
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connect for me, I see it as
possibly a flow of stages of
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existence.
First, we are born.
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Our physical bodies enter this
world with a brain that is
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completely blocking out all
knowledge and experiences that
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we will slowly get later as our
lives go on.
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Our minds are a blank slate and
our brain is a tool that we use
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to filter specific information
to gradually give us everything
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we need to survive and only that
information.
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This, as Grayson points out, is
our brain's way of ensuring our
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overall safety by controlling
the inputs of information to our
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minds.
This will make more sense soon.
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As we grow, our brain learns
that there is more and more
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information that is required for
survival and slowly filters less
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and less until we get to our
peak knowledge and experience
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near death and old age.
Those that experience an NDE
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have their minds separated from
their physical bodies which
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removes the filter that is the
brain.
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This would explain the reports
of new colors, sounds, feelings,
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the flow of infinite knowledge,
the peacefulness, the ability to
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move around without the
constraints of a physical body,
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and the feeling that this
experience is the true reality
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as compared to the one where the
brain filters everything.
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Then as those come back from
their NDE, they find it hard to
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be able to explain in words what
it was that they experienced
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since their brain is once again
acting as a filter of our
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knowledge and we no longer have
the tools to express what we
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experienced.
The very loose comparison I can
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make to what I am trying to say
is to think of our lives as
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humans on earth as the necessary
process of the birth of a mind.
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Sort of like that of a
Caterpillar and a cocoon.
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To become a butterfly, our minds
do need this physical form.
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Why that is, I don't know yet,
and it seems important due to
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our overall obsession of
survival in the brain acting as
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a filter against extra voices or
bombardment of information
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entering our minds that would
undoubtedly distract us to the
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point of possible insanity,
ultimately removing us from the
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goal of survival.
Those that experience Ndes
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commonly claim that they are
told to return to their physical
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body to finish something or to
gather information about
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something unknown.
This would make sense that the
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process of going through a
physical state is important.
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Finally, as our bodies begin to
decay and the filter of our
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brain begins to close up, we
enter the waning hours of our
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physical lives, and as we die,
our minds are released into the
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afterlife, fulfilled in the
goals of our physical selves.
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The cocoon breaks open.
And we spread our wings for the
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first time, ready for all the
information and experiences that
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are waiting for us in our next
reality.
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Well, that's it travellers.
That is my coverage of the Near
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Death experience.
Again, like I said in the
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introduction, if you have had an
experience with an NDE, please
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let us know.
We'd love to have you on the
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show.
I I would love to talk about
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your experience.
I, I find this stuff absolutely
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incredible and mind blowing.
Like I said, this has changed my
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life, or at least the view on my
life.
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And I'm, I'm really excited to,
to dive into it even more.
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I would be pretty surprised if
you guys didn't get another
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episode of Ndes somewhere down
the line.
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I just feel like there's more to
this topic.
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I do have a couple more books I
would like to order and read.
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So yeah, of course.
You know, I think it's natural
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to say that there may be a third
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