Research Spotlight: Jason Hewlett

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I'm Gideon from the burning Vale
podcast and you for listening to

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the infinite Rabbit Hole.
Keep it up guys, you doing a

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great job.
Welcome back to the if the

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rabbit hole, I'm your host
Jeremy and today we have the

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boss man.
He's here.

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You don't know who he is yet,
but I do.

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And so does Jacob.
Jake how you doing?

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I'm doing?
Well, dude, I'm somewhat bummed

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out.
I keep ordering this motorcycle

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parts and not all of them fit,
so it's just a big pain in the

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butt.
But other than that, I'm good

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ready to have a conversation
with boss, man.

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And then, hey, if you're
listening to this episode, it

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means we weren't fired.
So, True.

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That's very true.
We'll see how it turns out after

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this episode though because when
my not you know we're not going

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to get into that but I see
you're back at home man.

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Yeah, yeah spent a week with you
and and now I'm back home lucky.

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All right.
Let's go to the guy who didn't

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spend a week with me Jeffrey.
How are you?

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Yes, I'm good, man, I'm a little
jealous.

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I saw you guys hanging out and I
was like, man.

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I want to come hang out too but
I spent the weekend hanging out

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with my Dad.
We haven't seen in a long time.

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Riding a boat on a lake and
barbecue and drinking beer.

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So I think it was too cold for
you.

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Be honest.
Probably like anything below. 70

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is too cold for me, so, oh yeah.
There's like 65 and older

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plummeted down, and then it
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And then it will bump back up to
60 and 50 again as well.

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Yeah, me and me, and Jacob here,
we were out in the middle of the

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Woods, doing some squatching,
and it was cold and wet and man,

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you would have you just hated
it.

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I'm good.
I'll be at the command center.

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Use radio back to me.
That's how this works Bigfoot.

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Okay, I got it out.
Kid.

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Hello.
Hello.

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Hello, how are you doing?
I'm exhausted.

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Oh, long day at work or it was a
long week I over the on Sunday,

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late on Sunday, I got back from
Alberta.

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My big sister got married.
It was a very long week and a

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lot of flying and a lot of not
sleeping and I'm still

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recovering.
Half the crew travelled in the

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last week.
Yeah, yeah, we're all back.

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Alright, let's move along
because we know that you're not

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here to listen to us.
You guys do it all the time.

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You guys want to hear the new
voice, the boss voice, the man,

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the myth, the legend, Jason
Hewlett.

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What's up, dude?
How you doing?

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Hey guys, how's it going?
Oh it's going.

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Sounds like, you're all you're
all tired and ready to go to bed

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is what it sounds like?
Yes, I just got off 13 hours of

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work, man.
I'm ready to roll.

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It's do this awesome snow.
Thanks for having me on.

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All right.
So who is Jason Hewlett?

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Us?
You know what, Jason, who are

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you to the infinite Rabbit Hole?
I'm the guy that sought you guys

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out because we were looking for
a video podcasts to come on the

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Paranormal Network there at Joe
Blow and it was suggested by

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Phantom, fill the other Legend.
Yes, showed up.

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To fill feels feels good.
People actually talking to Phil

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later this week on about get
back, going back on a show love

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and yeah, he suggested and he
forgave me Jeremy's contact.

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So I reached out to Jeremy and
Jeremy and I had a chat about it

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and then all of us sat down and
had a chat about it and I think

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it was like, two weeks later,
you guys were, are on the

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Paranormal network with your
first video podcast and that

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was, like, already 14 weeks ago,
something like that.

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Something like that.
Nobody's counting here.

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He totally summer.
Plies is crazy.

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It sure does.
I mean it's not so yeah that's

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and so I my job on the network
is I'm like the showrunner for

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all the programming.
Basically I approve all the

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scripts and the edits and put
the shows together and make sure

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they get up on time.
But I also do a few of my own

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shows on the network as well.
So you know, we want to believe

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hunting the haunted narrating,
the UFO, so that kind of keeps

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me busy.
I'm someone G's is, it always

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me?
So I have a background in

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journalism like I was a
newspaper reporter for 10 years,

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crime reporter, who Yanks being
Umm, and a lifelong interest in

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the Paranormal and I've hit a
point in my life where I was

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finally, been able to take all
those skill sets and interests

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and just put them together into
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One thing that somehow has
become a job and I'm not really

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sure how I'm still not sure how
I feel about that.

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I have no more Hobbies.
Now, you hate it now.

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Good, good, long story short,
this guy is responsible for you

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having to listen to us every
week.

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Not just listening to watch,
watch watch.

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Sorry, you're right.
He's the one who puts her ugly

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mugs on YouTube, you poured some
really sounds like a lot of work

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to me, man.
Because you know this pot just

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from this podcast, right?
And then another one, another to

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that, I mean, like that's
already so much work to me and

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then thinking about how you have
to, you know, manage on some

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level.
However, many shows there are on

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the network.
Like, I don't know.

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It seems like a lot of work is
it?

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As much as I feels like to me,
it It.

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Like, it, isn't it like, it's
fun.

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I mean, it's paranormal content,
right?

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Because we've got shows that
kind of cover off everything

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from Bigfoot, to UFOs to ghosts,
you know, to myths and urban

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legends and all that.
I think in total, it's like a

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good Five or six shows.
And usually there's one or two a

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week coming out sometimes three,
sometimes four if we bring in

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interviews right.
And so it's managing that.

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So it's a lot, but it's fun,
it's all stuff.

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I'm fascinated with like you
guys.

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You guys wouldn't sit here and
talk every week you know, before

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you even came on our Network.
Because if you didn't like it

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and we're interested in it and
didn't want to put the time in.

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So it's just kind of become this
thing that I didn't plan or

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anticipate on but was given the
opportunity to do so I jumped on

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it because you know, You only
get a chance like that.

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Like, once in a lifetime,
really?

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Yeah, well, that's that's sort
of true Jeff's here because he

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has a crush on me, but Ken's are
Jake and myself.

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I mean, we love this stuff for
sure, absolutely.

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Jeff just loves me.
You got it, waiting for that.

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Come back.
All right, Jason.

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So now that everyone knows who
you are to us, you're basically

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our director or producer sorry
who's Jason Hewitt the

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Paranormal Investigator.
Tell us a little bit about that

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because that's why you're here.
You're not here because you're

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our producer, you're here
because your Investigator in the

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Paranormal.
So give everybody listening into

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the infinite Rabbit Hole a
little bit of background with

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that.
Well, that's it's like, I, you

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know, anyone who's interested in
this stuff like, you know, like

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you had Denver Michael Denver,
Michael's on Felix back, it

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usually starts as like this
personal experience or point of

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interest in their lives.
It happen happens.

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Mine was, when I was quite
young, I still remember.

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It was really weird.
I was in the back of my mom's

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car and we'd go.
Gone to one of my friends houses

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to pick him up.
He was going to come over for a

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sleepover, we were like five or
six and my mom left the vehicle

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to go up to the house and get my
friend.

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And I've heard of reason I
stayed in the back and it was

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like one of the it's a gremlin
is what it's called there.

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Like that Horan is Hash patch
back home that is exactly

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talking about I love kremlin's
my mom gave up a Mustang to get

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the gremlin.
Well that's just it.

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Never forget I mean I were will
tell you honestly So I'm in the

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back and has this big hatchback.
I'm looking out the back window

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for whatever reason, the street.
And one second, there's nothing

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in the next this face just
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the hatchback.
It doesn't like rise up and it

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doesn't come forward.
It just appears and it's like

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this Mongoloid ish.
You know almost Jason Voorhees

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without the hockey mask s face.
Hmm.

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And it's there and then it's
gone.

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And I startled me and I dropped
to the floor of the, the back of

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the car and stayed there until
like, I heard footsteps coming

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up because it was gravel.
Then my mom shows up with my

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friend and I'm like, did you
guys like my little, my friend?

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Would you just run around the
car?

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And he's like, no and like did
you guys see anyone come around

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there?
Like, no, not at all.

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There's no Street.
There's no one on the street.

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Like I that's why I was just
kind of looking out the back

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window.
Just staring at nothing and on

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my mom was a teacher and she
just said it was my overactive

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imagination.
But it wasn't because I can

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still remember it. 45 years
later that face and it just

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kicked off this interest in.
What was that?

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You know, why did I see that?
And what's going on?

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And I just started becoming
interested in the Paranormal and

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watching all the shows like, you
know, the original in search of

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with Leonard Nimoy and then, you
know, sightings when it came on

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and every Unsolved Mysteries
episode about, you know, ghosts

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or Monsters or UFOs.
And I kind of had I've met

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friends that were interested in
it so we kind of do our own

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half-assed investigations.
Not knowing what We're doing and

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it wasn't really until after my
journalism career ended June,

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talk about the Paranormal as a
reporter I was a crime reporter,

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you lose any credibility at that
point, right?

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Talked about it so I was very
quiet and my interests but it

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was 2017 right around this time
and I just before Halloween and

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I was surfing the web, my son
was watching cartoons, he was

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five, he was five at the time
and Vancouver paranormal.

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Society was doing a membership
Drive, I came across their

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website kind of thing and I'm
like, no way.

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So I just emailed them and said,
hey longtime interest in the

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Paranormal would love to learn
more about how you investigate

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it properly and they responded
and I end up going on an

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investigation with them.
That's how I got to know, Peter

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Ren, you know, hit co-authored
the book switching, I work with

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on, we want to believe and I
started investigating with them

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and in 2020, he and I left and
formed their own group up here

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that Canadian Paranormal Society
We were Foundation, we just

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became a government registered,
to start not-for-profit society

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and that's what we do.
We go into people's homes, who

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believe they're haunted and we
investigate them, we go to

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historic sites, commercial
buildings and quite often.

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If we're able, we document what
we investigate, which becomes

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the we want to believe series
that's kind of it in a nutshell.

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So, speaking of the, we want to
believe Series where can people

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watch that?
That is on the Paranormal

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Network itself.
It's got its own playlist.

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And if you Google like, we want,
I believe it'll you lepas Odes

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will come up that way to?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So if you want to check out

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Jason and his team, check that
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Paranormal Network YouTube page,
good stuff.

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I've watched a little bit of it
myself.

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Anybody have questions for a
boss man here.

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Yeah, so last night, my wife had
a Swatch again.

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The 1995 live action Casper
movie and then very recently.

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I've seen Ghostbusters.
So, how much is your job similar

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to both?
Casper and or Ghostbusters not

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at all actually disappointing
when it's no, because I

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remember, I love Ghostbusters.
Like I remember that came out

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and I just thought, like five
times in the theater, right?

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Because it was just like, oh my
gosh, this is amazing, and we

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don't use proton packs, which
was disappointing.

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We don't we don't get to wear
coveralls at all.

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Sometimes a team shirt like
Banker.

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Apparently, got a team shirt.
I never wore it because it was

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purple and I hated it.
We don't It's a lot.

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An or is it like anything?
Zak Bagans does.

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Even like ghosts ghosts.
You know, what was it?

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Ghost Hunt goes to.
What was it first, one Ghost

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Hunters.
Yeah, Ghost Hunters, right?

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Like a kind of when they
started, that was close.

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You know what I mean?
Like, we do spend a lot of time

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sitting in rooms with recorders
and headphones on.

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And, you know, sometimes we've
got like, temperature gauges and

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we use a Spirit Box and you're
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And you could do that for hours.
Like I mean ours, a whole night

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and not get anything like
nothing happens.

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Yeah.
And you get crushed and you kind

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of go home and you're tired and
you're bitter and then you get a

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chance to go back to that
location or there's another

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place you get to investigate.
And suddenly one day, the most

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exciting thing is that you think
you hear something and then you

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kind of go back, listen your
playback and you get a voice

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that wasn't anyone else that was
in the room?

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There was no one else around
that.

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You can attribute it to and it
sounds like, you know, Old man.

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That was supposed to have lived
there but died.

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You know what I mean?
And that becomes your like

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moment.
Like we got something, it's

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rare.
When something happens.

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That's, that's big, like, you
know what I mean?

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Like a door moves or Slams on
its own or a toy comes flying

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off a shelf.
You know, I've had moments like

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that and they're really awesome.
But they are few and far

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between, and I have yet to run
into anyone that's been

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possessed, let alone on a weekly
basis deep.

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When you say you get a voice, do
you mean that you get a clear

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Audible Voice?
Or do you get some Take that has

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to be, like, clear ottoline?
Yes, okay.

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Hear audible voices static?
He wins will come through on the

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Spirit box, which at something
we tend to take, you have to

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approach the Spirit box with a
bit of skepticism because it is

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an AM FM receiver, right?
And you're getting a, you're

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getting radio chatter right?
The only time we really take

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what we here with any sort of
resonant is you get like an

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intelligent response to a
question that you asked that.

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In with the research that you've
done, like at a place that we

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investigated called, Bailey
house up in Merit, in British

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Columbia, there was a guy who
used to open could all Merit of

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scum and villainy.
No, it was a guy that used to

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own it named Tom, something I
can't remember the last time off

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the top of my head and when we
were kind of asking or demanding

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for a name, over the Spirit Box,
we got it was like Chuck, Chuck

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Chuck, Chuck, Chuck and then it
stopped and then we got a clear

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male voice going Tom.
And then we start to touch again

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and so that we give more weight
than what could be, you know,

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the tail end of a song or a bit
of some just, you know, radio

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chatter Communication in it.
The EVPs are kind of where you

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get your gold and before I go
on, none of what we find is

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paranormal investigators would
probably hold up in a court of

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law as actual real evidence.
But it's the closest thing you

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get.
And what's really just a

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pseudoscience and the hope is
that You do enough.

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Good work and return to the same
locations.

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Off enough times that you can
form a hypothesis that you can

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then test repeatedly to attempt
to get something that would

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become more scientifically based
evidence.

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And we've got a few locations
where that's kind of what we're

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doing right now.
We've been to a haunting here.

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We're in my hometown that we've
been about 25 times and we're

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allowed to go back whenever we
want to try to get back once a

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month and still keep what we
learn.

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We try to just apply it next
time and try to recreate these

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scenarios where we're getting
things.

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Things we're having things
happen.

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That's awesome.
Yeah, we good.

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Well I was I was going to ask
another question about locations

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but 04 whatever you had to say.
I'll go for it kid.

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Okay.
Well I was going to ask out of

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everywhere.
You've been thus far, what's

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your favorite place that you've
investigated.

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We really do, like, Bailey
house.

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We've even did an episode there.
The dollhouse episode, we want

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to believe that was done there.
We were just back actually a

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couple weeks ago and got a good.
Series of EVPs there in places

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and Bailey house is neat because
it's this historic house.

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And there's this outbuilding and
kind of every time we go there

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that was The Hot Spot moves.
So, like, for like many

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investigations, nothing ever
happened in the basement at

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Bailey house, like nothing.
And then we suddenly started

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over a couple of started,
getting things happening.

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That's where we picked up a
Shadow using our laser grid.

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Like there's nothing that should
have made the shadowy shape of a

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person.
But it was there and we'd turn

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the light on and there's nothing
that could obstruct it.

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We turned it off and you could
he'll see the shadowy shape of a

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person in the laser grid to that
four or five times until its

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pristine to move away, which is
printing part of that ended up

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in the episode.
I like, Bailey house I

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investigated before, I was
officially an investigator trunk

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Hill, sanitarium up here in
Kamloops, which was an old

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tuberculosis Clinic /, mental
hospital.

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Oh yes, yeah, they'd be
institutionalized in the Andes.

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And that plane is that place.
Yeah, so many stories, there and

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MTV's.
Fear did an episode out there.

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Do it again.
This is like It's a mental

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institution so you can imagine
all the stories that would go

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along with it.
Right?

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The, the abuse of patients, you
know, the you know, the many

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deaths, you know, suicides Etc.
There's a tunnel system

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underneath because it used to
snow so much up here.

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You couldn't real patients or
supplies above ground because

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while the snow so they did it in
the tunnel system.

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That's cool.
It was it's cool.

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It's creepy.
I've investigated.

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They like are we honestly that
that's a lot of snow.

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It's It's the engineering.
It gets a lot of snow when we

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get snow and that's the only
place I had anything happened

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that actually scared me and I
think it's because I didn't

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really know what I was doing at
the time and we were down in the

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tunnels myself and my colleague,
Donna, who claims to be psychic

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and we had spent the day
investigating.

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We were in the tunnel system and
we came out in what was the

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basement of the laundry
facility?

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Has had a full-on, might a whole
city out there, its own city.

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Has a school laundry, all this
stuff.

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And we're deciding, it's time to
go back to the vehicle because I

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was getting getting late and it
was like, well do we go back up

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and just go across land or do we
go back through the tunnels and

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maybe we'll run into something,
you decide to go through the

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tunnels and literally would come
through these doors.

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There's no air flow.
You could open the door and it

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would kind of do the swing, like
bang, bang, bang, bang, just

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come through there.
I reached around, I grabbed the

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door, I started pulling back and
it slammed shut on me with

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enough for some 61, I was about
200 pounds.

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At the time, it was pulled off
my feet and I hit the door.

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Donna ran and I ran to I was
gone.

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Sounds like there was a
Sasquatch on her side of that

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door.
Who knows?

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Man, I don't know what it was.
There's no one else there.

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There's no one else down there.
There's no lighting down there.

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There's nothing but that was
scary.

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Like that was legitimately could
have been a homeless guy

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falling, I don't know.
But it was, it was could have

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100% confirmed.
Sasquatch was down there.

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I'm saying that because that's
how much there is a place that I

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really want to check.
Scout ahead a lot of disgusting

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disturbing history and in Clovis
California where I grew up, it

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was called The Wolfe Manor and
it was a sanitarium that there

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was like 300 people like you
know, elderly people that were

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abandoned inside of there.
And they all starve to death.

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And when they finally, when the
police finally opened up the

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doors and like looked inside, I
mean, they were just like, you

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know, months of their own feces,
they were Hang on, completely

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uncared-for.
There was like five total staff

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members for the entire, for the
entire facility, and all these

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people were just abandoned.
And I think the original family

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that owned Wolfe Manor were all
gone and I think there was like

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so many lawsuits against the
estate itself that no one was

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willing to buy it afterwards.
And so it was literally for a

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number of years, it had a sale
ahead for free sign on the

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front.
Aunt, but no one would purchase

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it.
And eventually a few years ago,

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they decided to just go ahead
and tear it down because it's

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such an eyesore on Clovis, but
it was just like that.

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I don't hold any weight into
ghosts and stuff, but I figure

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it's like, if there's gonna be
something it's going to be at

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some place like that, right?
And it's like, you know, and

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I'm, I don't believe in them
enough that if someone's just

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like, oh, a thousand dollars to
spend the night, be like, let's

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go.
Can I bring a toothbrush?

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Yeah.
It's like, I don't care.

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There's a place in Edmonton
called The Charles Campbell

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Hospital, which is exactly like
the one Jason was describing in

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Kamloops.
There's it was a TV Hospital,

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exact same thing.
And I've always wanted to go

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check it out because all you
hear is all the ghost stories

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out of it, but I'm too chicken
to go do it.

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It's also in the heart of the
city on the west end and

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Edmonton.
So probably not a good idea.

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Anyways.
No, not at the best of times.

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I went there to find some ghosts
and end up getting stabbed.

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Nice.
Yeah.

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Found a homeless guy and he's
stabbed me instead.

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Those are the places like those
are like because the story is

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just not like hospitals in
general, even like my colleague.

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Peter works for Interior Health
at a hospital and he has odd

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stuff happening all the time in
the hospital.

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Like, you know, just hearing
footsteps going up and down the

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hall.
When he even sent me a video of

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it.
Like, you can hear these

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footsteps clunk along, it was,
you know, 6:00 in the morning.

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You know, any place where
someone dies or there's any kind

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of trauma.
Those are places where these, if

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there are spirits, that's where
they're going to gravitate to

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write, it would make sense.
Yes, it is.

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Can't pass.
I don't know.

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There's so many theories behind
what ghosts could be if there

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are.
They are ghosts, right?

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And then you bring different
religions into it, and then

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there's just so many different
aspects that could touch on.

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I think, is what partly makes it
so controversial, a subject at

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the best of times people are
experiencing something.

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I've experienced enough in my
years of doing this that I can't

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say for sure.
What's going on?

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I just I believe something's
happening.

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Yes, I can agree.
Is that right?

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Yeah, I would say it's more on
the Demonic side and when you

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think you're talking to Grandma,
you're not but but I do believe

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the stuff happening, you know,
and I was like, you know, not

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not being in Catholic or
Christian, I don't know, 70 come

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across anything that I could
classify as demonic and Peter is

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an investigator for an ordained
Exorcist.

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Of Washington state and he's
been doing it 10 years and has

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come across.
Maybe one case where it could

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have led to a possible you know,
a possible exorcism and for the

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most part it's mental health, or
addiction issues there.

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Yeah.
Tribute to a lot of these,

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right?
And that's something we take in

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before even investigate, how
anything?

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We do a full that we want to do
a full background check.

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Like, are you seeing a
psychologist?

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What medication are you on?
Yeah.

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What are the plethora of actual
things?

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That could be making you believe
that you're having a haunting or

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some kind of spectral encounter?
And 99% of the time.

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It's nothing paranormal at all.
It's messed up meth.

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Yeah.
You're someone who just wants to

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believe so much that their house
is haunted for whatever reason

447
00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:43,600
and that they will come up with
things that they believe it's

448
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,800
haunted but we go and check it
out.

449
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,200
It's like no but you've got like
every episode of like Paranormal

450
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,300
State and your DVD collection
and books on the occult and

451
00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:52,900
Satanism.
And you know what I mean and

452
00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:55,200
you're golfed out and you just
want this.

453
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,200
To happen.
Like there's no sign here that

454
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,000
there's any it's like it's, you
know, not to be that guy right

455
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,900
now.
But it's like I was making a

456
00:24:02,908 --> 00:24:05,700
joke to my sister today because
all she watches is like those

457
00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:08,600
True Crime shows and
documentaries but she's

458
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,100
terrified of stuff like
everything, right?

459
00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:12,900
You just, you can whisper to
her.

460
00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:15,500
She you know, she'll jump.
So I'm like, that's what

461
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:17,800
happens.
You just filling yourself with

462
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,200
this True Q.
Just waiting for a serial,

463
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,900
killer to come in.
Do the same thing with this kind

464
00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:27,500
of stuff too, and And same with
conspiracy theories as well.

465
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:31,800
Like people just, they get so
consumed that everything is a

466
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,700
conspiracy.
I'm guilty of that with the

467
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:36,900
conspiracies.
So I saw her lying in your hat.

468
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,900
We'll listen.
That's not a concern that fear,

469
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,400
okay, yes, I don't get me
started.

470
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,700
That's not enough, the Silver
Line be nice.

471
00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:46,600
Okay.
Jason.

472
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,400
You.
I mean, we definitely see it in

473
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,500
like the Bigfoot Community.
Jeremy and I were poking fun at

474
00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:57,000
this post for some an encrypted
Good thing on Facebook where

475
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,900
someone literally took a picture
inside the woods of Psych some

476
00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:03,400
trees and there are like this
weird shadow in the bottom

477
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,300
right-hand quadrant of the
picture.

478
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:07,800
And there's literally nothing
there and everyone just like,

479
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,600
yeah, draw a circle around it so
you can show us what we're

480
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,600
looking at and people, they do
this all the time, right?

481
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,900
And it's just like, because
yeah.

482
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:19,100
I think that, it's good to like,
look for the sort of stuff.

483
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:20,800
Right?
You know, no, don't be startled

484
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,100
by it, but there can become an
obsession.

485
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:25,600
Like you were saying with all
the Sin.

486
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,500
All the, you know, all the
different types of media where

487
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,700
anytime you see something out of
the corner of your eye, your I

488
00:25:31,708 --> 00:25:35,100
got demons.
You know, it's the same hat rack

489
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:36,300
that's been there for five
years.

490
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,200
But today it's demons because
you've been, you know, watching

491
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,800
whatever horror movies for days
on end you know what is the what

492
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,500
is behind all that?
Yeah, totally I get like stuff

493
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:49,900
sent to me all the time and one
guy sent me this.

494
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,200
It was a picture of his bonfire.
Now you look at it there's like

495
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,600
you know there's a demon in the
fire and I'm looking at it and

496
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,500
I'm like what kind of see Batman
myself.

497
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:08,900
Personally what you want to see
ya and he's like I didn't think

498
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:10,800
you'd be so skeptical and logged
off and that was the end of

499
00:26:10,808 --> 00:26:13,500
that.
It's just like it's the fire

500
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,500
against Jason.
I thought that you believed in

501
00:26:15,508 --> 00:26:20,300
this stuff.
What happened man I think I've

502
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:26,000
got it.
Don't sound so disappointed

503
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,500
about it.
Jesus is going to say get a lot

504
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:28,600
of those.
We get a lot of those.

505
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,600
I've seen multiple people even
in the infinite Rabbit Hole

506
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,200
group that are just like this
is, I had this encounter we all

507
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,800
like chat each other.
Like okay, listen, who's going

508
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,500
to entertain this one, right?
Well at least we all can trade

509
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:49,300
off on that, not it.
I get personally messaged,

510
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,000
probably at least once a week.
From somebody that I don't know.

511
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:59,600
And they're like, I need to
share a secret with you that one

512
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:07,900
that one woman was like, yeah.
And she was talking about how

513
00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:10,800
she used to work for this
government, to secret

514
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,200
government.
Entity in Canada.

515
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,300
It was a, it was a do, do they
do this?

516
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:19,900
American secret government,
entity, in Canada that was

517
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:25,000
working on.
Cloaking devices for Jeeps and

518
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,500
Hummers and she was like, yeah
just like yeah you haven't heard

519
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:35,800
of that pictures of the grounds
in the outside this building.

520
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,100
So so you know she's like I
can't tell anybody because

521
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:46,600
they'll kill me and I was like
but you told me So and now you

522
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,600
just hold the world for anybody
listening.

523
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,500
Now, you know, don't tell us
your secrets, people will tell

524
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:57,100
them and just let you know,
screenshots are are taking and

525
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,800
shared.
Okay, we have a laugh about

526
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:05,400
this.
Every once in a while, like

527
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,600
maybe twice in the whole time
that I've had this podcast, I've

528
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,800
gotten somebody to message me
with something pretty cool.

529
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:16,600
You know, sometimes you do get
Something pretty cool. 99% of

530
00:28:16,608 --> 00:28:20,700
the time though.
It's it's a it's meth demons,

531
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,300
right?
It's whack a deuce.

532
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:26,600
Yeah, it's like that hat rack.
That Jake was talking about

533
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:34,700
magically tournaments.
I would send their drinking that

534
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:38,900
this sweet tea and I'm like, I'm
gonna choke on this down real

535
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:43,500
quick.
All right, so red circles.

536
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Jason, one thing we don't have
on this show, is somebody who's

537
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:58,700
really into the Paranormal
right, meaning whatever.

538
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:03,400
They are, you know, what they're
commonly known as ghosts, right?

539
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Do you does your community also
suffer from these phantom red

540
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,000
circles that show up in Facebook
posts and everything.

541
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:20,400
Oh, gotcha, yeah, it's I think
it's just so it's that's what

542
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,300
people do, right?
They do the yeah, it's I think

543
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:26,400
it's just everywhere any place
where there is an interest in

544
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,700
anything that's kind of fringe
science.

545
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:28,900
That kind of stuff is going to
show up.

546
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:33,500
Yeah, basically, right?
It just comes with the

547
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,100
territory.
It's so another easy everybody

548
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:39,500
wants to discover something.
I think that there's a deep

549
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:43,200
human like urge to explore and
discover things.

550
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,300
And I think they're now at this
age, not that you can't do that.

551
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:48,900
Because there's a way that you
can always, learn and discover

552
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:50,800
things.
But there's some weird thing

553
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,400
where people just like to have
to be.

554
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,400
They feel like they have to be
the one I found this thing.

555
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,700
The circle is so you can see it.
Like, and they really believe

556
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:58,600
it.
People really believe that

557
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,500
they've seized on.
Nothing.

558
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,100
You know.
I never really thought of it

559
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:01,900
like that.
That's a good.

560
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:03,700
That's a good one.
That like that.

561
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:05,400
Perfect way to sum it up, Jeff
like that.

562
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,200
That's That's bang on.
And that's it.

563
00:30:08,208 --> 00:30:09,800
We and they can do that.
Now, you can just sell.

564
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,900
I took the picture with my phone
and you go in and edit thing and

565
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:13,300
you Circle it and put it up in
here.

566
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:14,000
It is.
Right?

567
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,700
And I think people do it now.
We used to get it on a good

568
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:19,800
example.
Like when I was a crime,

569
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,300
reporter had like, the police
scanner, right on right on my

570
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:24,400
desk.
So I listened to every kind of

571
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,300
police for call coming in,
during the course of like my

572
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,200
shift and I lost track of how
many times someone saw a guy

573
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,300
with a rifle walking down such
and such as street, but they'd

574
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:37,400
be driving.
Buying their car.

575
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,000
It's a yeah, guy drove by saw a
person walking with a rifle

576
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,500
called the police.
Didn't stop, didn't take a

577
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:45,600
moment to think that, maybe it's
a, we're in Canada, it's a

578
00:30:45,608 --> 00:30:48,900
hockey stick or then, you know
anything it could have been

579
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:53,000
anything like but they just jump
on it right away and so now you

580
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,800
can do that with this stuff.
You can take a picture of it,

581
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,900
you Circle it and you post it to
social media without even

582
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,200
stopping to really think about
what what you saw right.

583
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,200
And what you're posting my thing
with those pictures as well is

584
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,300
they always Seemed to claim that
the picture was taken a few

585
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:13,700
years back, but it looks like
this very clear, crystal clear

586
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:16,400
picture that could very well,
could have been taken on a phone

587
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,900
that was created yesterday,
right?

588
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:22,800
And they're putting random
circles in corners.

589
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,000
And oh, yeah.
Mom, took this photo back in

590
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,100
2014.
No, she didn't.

591
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,200
It's almost like they're almost
like they're out there hunting

592
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,400
for that dopamine hit.
Yeah, you know, they're like, oh

593
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,900
yeah.
A great method opening, what's

594
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:42,100
exciting, right?
You get attention for a while

595
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,000
you know, people kind of get on
it and if it gets enough

596
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,700
traction it can become a can
become a meme, it can be caught

597
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,300
you know be go viral like
there's so many different

598
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:51,400
different things and it's just
so easy to do that.

599
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,700
Now know you're, I think you're
right, there's this desire to be

600
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,200
recognized and acknowledged and
even get a little bit famous and

601
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,700
that's just a real easy way to
do it, right?

602
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:02,300
Yeah.
The easiest way to do it is to

603
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:05,300
create a podcast and get scouted
by someone famous.

604
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:10,400
I mean, that's Yeah, right.
Yeah like we said the man's got

605
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,100
an IMDb page we talked about
that that's why I was so

606
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:18,200
indifferent about that picture
of that big old footprint.

607
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,800
I took when I was on that
camping trip Jeremy's I call you

608
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,100
got to post this and I was like
okay but I was like whatever

609
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,200
because I knew it was going to
happen anyway.

610
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,400
You know we're just that good.
I don't need to push this Fame,

611
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,900
it's gonna happen, you know, she
posted it, you should have

612
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:38,300
posted it and added like 15, red
circles and then There's 27

613
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:43,400
Bigfoot in this picture on the
ground?

614
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:50,100
Yeah, look speaking of Jason.
Let's take a little trip outside

615
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:56,100
of the Paranormal and was asked,
do you believe in Bigfoot, go

616
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:57,900
for sure.
I do not good.

617
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:00,300
I live, right?
Smack in Bigfoot area.

618
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:01,900
Territory up here.
In British Columbia.

619
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,700
Me too.
You're not fired.

620
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:08,500
Then you can stay.
I like you a little bit more

621
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:14,000
boss.
Will keep the mess demons at bay

622
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,800
today.
On that note of questioning,

623
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,100
what were you at in the
conspiracy World?

624
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:26,300
Jason, it's funny.
My buddy Sean and I he does the

625
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:27,900
the music for you.
Want to believe he's kind of a

626
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:30,800
resident skeptic.
A lot of the conspiracies that

627
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,600
people are talking about right
now we remember, when they were

628
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,600
popular the first time and he's
but no one was there.

629
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,100
Considered not because we talked
about this kind of stuff all the

630
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:42,400
time.
And I think it's like, it's kind

631
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,500
of interesting that so many of
them have kind of come back

632
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:49,300
around and it's how it's just,
it's accepted like people now,

633
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:53,000
just talk about conspiracies,
like like it's the regular news,

634
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,100
do you know what I mean?
And then people are almost more

635
00:33:55,100 --> 00:34:00,300
inclined to go down that
conspiracy rabbit hole plug to

636
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,000
kind of just be like to be a
part of it and they're giving it

637
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,100
weight and they're giving it
more weight.

638
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:07,700
I think in some regards like
than actual like Vic evidence or

639
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:13,500
or you know, real factual facts.
I think if anything that the

640
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:17,500
whole pandemic couple of years,
has brought all this stuff even

641
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:21,199
more into the mainstream than it
was before, because I just think

642
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,900
there's people a like, in terms
of like, you know, UFOs and

643
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:25,800
Bigfoot, and ghosts and stuff
people.

644
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,699
Just, it's kind of like a
second.

645
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:31,000
Almost spiritualist movement.
People want there to be more to

646
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,100
life than just, you know, go to
get, go work, your job, go home.

647
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:36,600
Watch TV eventually, die.
You know what I mean?

648
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,000
There's got to be more to life
than that, and the capitalism

649
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,500
Etc, and they're looking.
I think for deeper meanings to

650
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:43,900
things.
And I think there's so much

651
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:47,300
distrust of government and, you
know, science and all this for

652
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:49,400
whatever various reasons because
of how the whole pandemic was

653
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,400
handled, that they're giving
more weight to conspiracies and

654
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,100
believing that no one wants to
think that, you know, this that

655
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:57,500
could have just been a virus
that happened.

656
00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:59,800
It's got have been created in a
lab somewhere and got out and if

657
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,500
you believe one of them is
created by Canadians and we let

658
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:05,000
it out so.
Well they did.

659
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:07,600
I heard that just came out And
say that.

660
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,500
What was it?
Boston College, Jake, Boston

661
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:12,200
University.
They just made one that has an

662
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,700
80% kill rate perfect.
Yeah, awesome.

663
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:17,100
Nice.
At least on the news like

664
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:20,200
yesterday, good idea.
But anyway, yeah, my favorite

665
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,900
uncle wet Market.
My favorite thing is people that

666
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:29,100
are so deep into, you know, like
you're saying a pseudoscience,

667
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:33,400
right?
And they don't regard other

668
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,100
forms of pseudoscience with any
sort of weight to it.

669
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:38,900
It's like, I'm Incredible
skeptic, when it comes to the

670
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:42,100
Paranormal.
But I'm also a Christian.

671
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:44,300
So I believe in the
Supernatural, right?

672
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:46,400
But it's just like there's a
little bit of a difference

673
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,700
there, but it's just like, I
don't completely disregard it.

674
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:52,600
I'm willing to listen, right?
But I was talking to this, this

675
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,100
lady at the county fair, a
couple months ago.

676
00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:58,100
You know, it's hilarious because
I'm sitting here, she saw, I was

677
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:01,000
wearing one of our infant whole
Bigfoot shirts, and she searched

678
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,900
at me up about it, right?
And I'm talking to her about

679
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:05,100
Bigfoot and evidence in the
Patterson gimlin, big,

680
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:06,500
fulfillment.
All this other stuff and she's

681
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,000
Just completely shutting me
down, she's like, there's no way

682
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:13,100
that's impossible, you know, I'm
just like every continent on

683
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,800
Earth with exception of
Antarctica, and North America

684
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,200
has Apes, every single one
Mexico.

685
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,600
They have Apes, you know, or
they have monkeys and stuff, and

686
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,000
she's just shut me down.
Meanwhile, she's at a booth

687
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,300
where she's selling people
crystals for healing and stuff

688
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:30,600
and I'm like, this is how are
you this dense?

689
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,800
Like it's crazy.
It's just like, you know, is

690
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,000
just wild to me that, you know,
Is that huge disconnect there?

691
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,900
You get people that are so deep
into conspiracies but anything

692
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:44,100
else that I've no sorry that's
just ridiculous or, you know,

693
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:47,500
people that are really big into
the Paranormal but you hit them

694
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:51,000
with, you know, a conspiracy or
you hit them with you know,

695
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,700
Cryptid or something like that.
Even and we can say

696
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:56,200
cryptozoology is, you know, the
study of animals that used to be

697
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,100
extinct and maybe they're still
around and stuff like that.

698
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:02,100
We have some good examples, like
the cola camp and whatever but

699
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:05,500
they're just like, nope, sorry,
just completely just shut it

700
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:08,600
down and it's It's hilarious to
see all those little sex and

701
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,700
stuff.
It's almost like the high school

702
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:13,000
Clique.
So that's how I would, I would I

703
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,600
kind of.
Oh sure.

704
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,100
Yeah, right and and I know
what's frustrating is like the

705
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:21,800
parallel investigators like like
me won't talk to the

706
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,800
cryptozoologists in the
cryptozoologist want.

707
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,800
Nothing to do with the UFO guys.
Yeah UFO guys don't want to deal

708
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,000
with the conspiracy people but
like really, we should all be

709
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,700
working on the same field here,
trying to finance, I think it's

710
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:33,800
all interpreting lied to you
collected.

711
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,200
Just to get a little
conspiratorial about that for a

712
00:37:39,207 --> 00:37:41,700
second.
I feel like it would just was I

713
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:43,500
feel like this was done by
Design, man.

714
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:48,500
I feel like the the fracturing
and splintering of all of these,

715
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:51,700
like, you know, different things
right.

716
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,700
These Fringe Sciences, right?
These all these things were

717
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:57,800
fractured on purpose, right?
These groups on Facebook for

718
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,900
specific things and everybody's
dug into their idea.

719
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:04,100
And like, you can't think about
the possibility of aliens

720
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:07,000
because the Earth is flat or you
can't think about, Out, you

721
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,300
know, whatever it is right.
It can't be ghosts because it's

722
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:11,400
demons or whatever.
I think that that was done

723
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,200
purposely so that we don't all
put our minds together and

724
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,000
figure out some of the stuff
that's actually going on that.

725
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,700
Yeah.
What conspiracy thought of the

726
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:24,600
day I like to make sense even
like back in the day like we had

727
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,200
an idea like you know about UFOs
is like why?

728
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,900
Don't because there's this big
UFO group online, it's like why

729
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:33,300
don't we all just at the same
night?

730
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,200
Go out with our telescopes, we
all decide, we're going to look

731
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,400
at a Certain long to Tunnel
latitudinal patch of Sky, all of

732
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,900
us for two hours at this certain
time and just record what we

733
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:47,100
find, you know what I mean?
Like just to see if we find it

734
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,300
no matter what part of the
western.

735
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:51,300
Because all on, we're all on the
west coast part.

736
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:53,200
We can then compare notes after
and see if we saw the same

737
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,100
things and if we could count it
a discounted and you know we got

738
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:59,900
kicked off the page because then
you can't get organized and

739
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:03,500
yeah, that way you organize man
sense yeah for sure, man, that's

740
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:07,900
what we're doing this for.
We can be you know Point the

741
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,300
point.
And it's next, next time you

742
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:12,900
have a genius idea like that.
Just go ahead and post it up on

743
00:39:12,908 --> 00:39:14,500
the internet.
Rebel will allow it.

744
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Yeah, I got you.
Yeah, awesome.

745
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,100
From right.
Nobody's going to do with you

746
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:26,900
but will it almost feels like it
is by Design.

747
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:29,800
That's why it's so fractures
almost like they want the

748
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,200
someone somewhere wants this
whole field to stay as

749
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,000
pseudoscience.
For whatever, for whatever

750
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,300
reason and because they don't
want the crystals to heal you,

751
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:42,900
man.
We're all really alien what you

752
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:46,700
want, that Crystal does not work
on body odor.

753
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:48,900
The way that deodorant doesn't
want.

754
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,500
You know, I learned the other
day, you know, I cats purr

755
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,600
because he's dealing for
healing.

756
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,500
Yeah, the the frequency of
vibration.

757
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:01,400
Yeah.
Right.

758
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,500
So light is much Eurasian.
Everything's available.

759
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,500
Vibration color light and
minerals and crystals everything

760
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:09,300
is alight.
So everything is a vibration.

761
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:14,400
So they could technically Haley,
but I'll Stand Out on this one.

762
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:19,200
The whole reason why we recorded
tonight was to secretly, get

763
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,100
everybody.
Listening to go to their local

764
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:24,700
SPCA office and get cat.
Get you one.

765
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:26,100
Yep.
Sorry that's not going to

766
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:28,000
happen.
I don't like cats, it's falling.

767
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,700
It's medicinal.
It's get you a medicinal cat.

768
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,400
Yeah, I break all that young.
A cat on it out.

769
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,300
There you go young before I go
by it cat.

770
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,900
Got a headache where cat?
I got an extra one if you want.

771
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:47,000
Jake, no, I'm kidding.
You can't have either one of my

772
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,200
cats.
I love my cats because I'll

773
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,300
release into the wild to be with
some kind.

774
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:55,200
Take it out of the woods and
release it.

775
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,100
Oh boy, poor Kitty.
You bet your tongue lick a cat?

776
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,700
What is this?
That fit your tongue.

777
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:14,900
Like the cat back.
Jeez, Louise we have fun, huh?

778
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:19,500
Oh man, we're so funny.
Anyways, I gotta, I gotta take a

779
00:41:19,508 --> 00:41:23,000
little trip back because you
said something and before we get

780
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,700
too far away.
You were, you were saying that

781
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:28,800
you remember when these
conspiracies were around the

782
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,600
first time and I just mice are
rolling, and it's just like, I

783
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,900
could imagine back in 1776 when
they were signing the

784
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:45,800
Declaration of Independence.
They were having conversations

785
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,100
about reptiles a reptilians and
those white wigs that they were

786
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:53,400
really that they were wearing
were like the the old-fashioned

787
00:41:53,400 --> 00:42:02,200
tin foil hats true.
It's all true man.

788
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,600
His every is made up.
So who knows?

789
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:08,200
Yeah, every 100 26 years.
It just comes around another

790
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,400
fake topic.
Part of the Matrix.

791
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:16,500
History is fake everybody.
Bear with us.

792
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:26,600
While we take this quick break,
So winning fathers were

793
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,100
reptilians.
So what do you what do you feel

794
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:33,400
about like aliens, you know,
extraterrestrial aliens, what's

795
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,000
your thoughts on that old thing
Jason?

796
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:36,700
I think I think it's
fascinating.

797
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:39,600
I mean there's been no reports
of UFOs going all the way back

798
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,400
to the Bible and Biblical times
right in the Great Pyramid times

799
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,600
like the Chariots of the Gods
you know there's a there's a

800
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:51,900
whole argument I could just see
Jacob giving me this I I know

801
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:55,700
what you're referring to, but
that could have started from

802
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:57,900
Aliens, right?
There's, there's the whole very

803
00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:03,600
discussions about pre, you know,
pre societies and Empires

804
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,500
working with the gods to create,
which could have been aliens to

805
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,300
create the pyramids or the
Mayans and their temples and the

806
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:11,600
big Skies, the sculptures that
you can see down.

807
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,200
If you go look up down, you can
see the different McHenry,

808
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,100
remember where it is, they look
just hieroglyphs.

809
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,500
You look at the look down from
above to see them and asked a

810
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:20,100
lot.
Why would dick?

811
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:20,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

812
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,400
Why would they create?
That said, thanks, I had a

813
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,900
senior moment for a second there
but, you know, in Victorian

814
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:30,000
times they talked about seeing
flying airships, you know, and

815
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,900
and then they just sort of
morphed into being these

816
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:35,700
high-tech spacecraft.
I think it's something that's

817
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:38,300
been with us for as long as
we've been on this planet.

818
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:41,200
I'm sure they've been visiting
us for ever.

819
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,000
They Aboriginal tribes talk
about, you know, they're the

820
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,500
star Lords, and their friends
from space.

821
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,400
This is something that's been
around for a long, long time.

822
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,400
And I think it's only recently,
That.

823
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:55,100
You know, the government is just
not, wanted people to know about

824
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:58,800
it, whatever it is, you know,
once Roswell happen and sort of

825
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,800
went, as we got more evolved and
in free and information became

826
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,400
Freer, and he's more easily
dispersed.

827
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,200
It's like they've started
clamping down more and become

828
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,400
more concerned about what's
going on with aliens.

829
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,500
That that's how I kind of look
at it, back back before there

830
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:14,700
was sort of really highly
organized industrial societies

831
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:17,500
and, you know, radios and TV.
I don't think people cared so

832
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:20,800
much and information was
whatever information was, it was

833
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,700
easier to control, but as that's
kind of Change.

834
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:26,200
Now, they've become more
concerned with the truth getting

835
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,100
out about what is going on out
there with with aliens and

836
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:31,800
visitors from other planets.
If indeed, they're from other

837
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,900
planets they could be a could
interdimensional beings, you

838
00:44:34,908 --> 00:44:37,600
know or from different different
timelines are different parts of

839
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,600
the Multiverse.
You know.

840
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,800
That's just a big Theory going
around that I've kind of I kind

841
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,900
of like yeah I just want to step
in real quick and fill in some

842
00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:50,900
holes.
If you're listening to this

843
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:53,800
you're most likely We already
know of it but Chariot of the

844
00:44:53,800 --> 00:45:00,200
Gods is a book by the author of
Eric Erich, von daniken.

845
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:06,800
I highly recommend it.
Jake, I think that you would

846
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,300
find it interesting, though.
At the same time, you would tear

847
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:11,600
it apart.
No, I do.

848
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,400
But mostly, this is for Danny
Danny.

849
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:16,600
This is one of my
recommendations, go ahead.

850
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,500
And I just want to throw that
out there real quick, for

851
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:25,400
anybody, I love promoting books
and I think Chariot Chariots of

852
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,000
the Gods is something that, you
know, if you're interested in

853
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:33,300
the phenomena of UFOs and how it
could tie into To history

854
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:37,600
especially very, very early
history, that's a book that you

855
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,500
might be interested in Reading.
Yeah, the the whole Ancient

856
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:45,900
Aliens ancient astronaut theory
on the days that I that I do

857
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:49,500
believe in space, I'm there.
You know what I mean?

858
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:52,900
So catch me on the right day
today, I'm with you.

859
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,900
I'm thinking, yeah, because I,
you know, I just listened to a

860
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:58,300
podcast was all about the
Anunnaki and plan it X and the

861
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,700
ancient astronauts and stuff.
So, yeah, I'm with you today

862
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:04,200
Planet X.
That's just fascinating, right?

863
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,400
I think it just lends more
Credence to to the whole UFO.

864
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,000
An alien debate saying with
like, you know, going back to

865
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,200
Bigfoot like every country and
every continent on the planet

866
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,900
has a wild man.
Yeah, thinks it's real, right?

867
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,900
Except the same with, like, in
the Netherlands, it was Trolls,

868
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:24,500
but the trolls are big hairy
creatures, you know, the average

869
00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:26,900
sound a lot like Bigfoot and
similar in their folklore.

870
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:28,700
So I mean, there's there's
something there.

871
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:31,900
Come on, yeah, we're meth
demons.

872
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,000
Yep.
Alright, all about them.

873
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:38,100
We're about Giants.
Giants.

874
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,100
Yeah yeah.
It's one of those things I've

875
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:52,800
not ever seen one, yet have no
opinion on Giants, one way or

876
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,500
the other.
We're still waiting on Jake's

877
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:58,300
next giant episode.
What about dinosaurs do?

878
00:46:58,300 --> 00:46:59,700
You believe that dinosaurs
existed?

879
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:14,000
We go Poor Jeff is called
Drumheller Alberta.

880
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,700
We can go where it's the
Dinosaur Museum.

881
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:18,300
And you can see it's a really
cool place, right?

882
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:22,700
I tried telling them, I'm sure
that plaster fake plaster, casts

883
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:24,000
of nothing.
Are we going?

884
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Yeah, really good artists out
there.

885
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,000
You think that every alien movie
that those aliens actually

886
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,800
exist, come on.
Oh I don't I don't think that

887
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,100
was on the Paranormal network.
Was it?

888
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:36,100
That that episode was opposed
our Fake.

889
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,200
No, I don't think it was.
No, I think that was just before

890
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:42,200
I would have been highly
entertaining to listen to.

891
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:45,000
Well, there's always always a
chance.

892
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,800
Jason, you just have to listen
to it and I walk I got true to

893
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,800
like to go back if you want it
if you want a good laugh.

894
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,700
It's pretty pretty good.
Yeah, sure.

895
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:56,300
Jeff like kind of broke my brain
with that one.

896
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:58,500
Like he had some very compelling
stuff.

897
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:01,600
Like it was like okay you know,
most of this is probably a horse

898
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,500
crap but there was definitely
some like you know why?

899
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,100
Does this one family control?
All of the licensing, for every

900
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:14,500
dinosaur, like, video game, and
TV show and movie that's ever

901
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:17,400
been made and all sorts of
stuff, like, you know, it's all

902
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,200
a huge money industry and
everything.

903
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:25,200
Why does these two, you know,
was it archaeological was it

904
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,400
like the Smithsonian and then
something else?

905
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,000
Why is it every single time?
Something is found they swoop up

906
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,700
in there, then the person
doesn't even really get credit

907
00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:34,400
for it.
Maybe they named it after the

908
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,100
person that found it, but But,
you know, they just take over

909
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:39,900
the dig site and stuff, you
know, it's just like he had a

910
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:42,300
lot of stuff to say where it
kind of broke my brain a little

911
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:44,400
bit because I'm just like who
shoot.

912
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,400
It's our number one episode and
I'm sort the audio only

913
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,800
platform.
So you know if you're if you're

914
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,200
listening to are watching this
show on the parent will never go

915
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:59,000
ahead and jump over to Spotify
or anywhere else where you get

916
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,300
your podcasts and check out
dinosaurs are fake starring,

917
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:04,700
Jeffrey dinosaurs are fake
Fernandez.

918
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:11,200
His name changes every time.
Yeah, freaking crazy.

919
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:16,700
I don't know.
So Jason, what's on the docket,

920
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:17,900
man?
What's coming up next for you?

921
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,900
I guess, I still have to write
another book.

922
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,700
I'm contracted to write one more
book for Beyond The Fray

923
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:30,000
publishing that Peter and I are
just pardon me.

924
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,700
Can we talk about the topics
that you were right about that

925
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:36,300
forbid if you want sir?
We can get on that.

926
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:41,300
Well, so forgive me.
I don't have the titles of your

927
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:44,800
books with me.
Mind filling Us in on that.

928
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,300
There's three out so far too
with under the, I want to

929
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:51,800
believe banner and one of them
is called one man's journey into

930
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,500
the Paranormal and that kind of
tells your story, my colleague,

931
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,500
Peter ran, and his whole story
from he's been doing this.

932
00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:59,900
He's from the UK.
So he started with his interest

933
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:01,700
in the Paranormal.
He was a boy and then he

934
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,800
investigated all over the world,
but just kind of follows his

935
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,300
story in his life's bit.
And bring Get up to the present.

936
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:08,900
The second book is called an
investigator's archive, and

937
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:11,700
that's where we interviewed.
I think 22 different paranormal

938
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:15,500
investigators, filmmakers
cryptozoologists you, no cure.

939
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:18,500
No key from the UK Hall
Bradford, who is on, you know,

940
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:22,600
Ghost Hunters International, you
know, Ken Gerhard and then you

941
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,700
Seth Breedlove from small-town
monsters, we talked to a whole

942
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:26,500
bunch of people, plus some
investigators at Peter and I

943
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:29,800
knew we basically just tell
their story for chapter and what

944
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,300
kind of their big experiences
have been and what their

945
00:50:31,308 --> 00:50:34,000
theories are on the Paranormal.
And then the most recent book

946
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,100
that came out in.
June is dying light and

947
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:39,100
investigation into near-death
experiences.

948
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:40,900
That's the one I want to talk
about.

949
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:43,200
Okay.
I mean I love hearing a

950
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,400
celebrity talk about other
celebrities at school, but I

951
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,600
want to talk about Andy's, man.
Let's, let's, let's talk about

952
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,900
that a little bit.
Can you shine a light on on just

953
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:55,400
give us a little teaser Manuel
like what kind of stuff can we

954
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:58,800
look forward to with that book?
Because that's that's the one

955
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,800
I'm going to grab here pretty
soon there.

956
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,100
Jason it's it wasn't it came out
of writing and investigators are

957
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,000
Archive because one of the
investigators Angela art Usos

958
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,300
out of New York City and she's a
Paranormal Investigator there.

959
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:13,400
So we're hearing her story and
then set up in the middle of her

960
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,700
story.
She talked about this

961
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,600
experience, she had where she
basically got got hit.

962
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:19,800
It was in a car accident, and
pretty much died, and had a

963
00:51:19,808 --> 00:51:23,200
near-death experience.
And it was so different than,

964
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,900
you know, the the tunnel of
light and, you know, the shadowy

965
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:30,200
figures Etc.
And, you know, the feeling of

966
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,100
euphoria was so very, very
different that it like it didn't

967
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:35,900
feel like it belonged in a book
we're just About paranormal

968
00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:37,300
investigators in their life
stories.

969
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,700
So we message Peter after and
I'm like, you know, we should do

970
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:42,800
a book on near-death experiences
and he'd had one, he'd had a

971
00:51:42,808 --> 00:51:44,800
liver transplant and had a
near-death experience during

972
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,800
that.
And so we decided, you know,

973
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,900
okay, let's do it.
And last October we started

974
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:51,900
doing research.
So we covered off, we talked to

975
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:53,200
some people about their
experiences.

976
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,600
So we do kind of like the
experience a report plus we

977
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,700
talked to like, you know, like
neuro scientists, grief

978
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:03,300
counselors, various aspects of
try to just take a real look at

979
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:06,900
what this phenomenon could be.
And what's happening and I ended

980
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:10,500
up with more questions than
answers as is always the case.

981
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:13,900
But it was really interesting to
hear all these different

982
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:15,300
people's accounts and talk to
this one.

983
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:19,400
Gal, who would research 2500
different near-death experiences

984
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:22,000
ranging and people who had been
dead for several minutes to up

985
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,600
to 24 hours and come back and
just how each of these

986
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,800
experiences, they're sort of
similarities.

987
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,200
But they're also very subjective
based on your life.

988
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,400
Experience your religious
background, lack of religious

989
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,500
background.
Dress.

990
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:40,000
So it was really quite quite a
fascinating thing to research

991
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,300
and write.
And then it kind of helped me

992
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:43,500
just work through some stuff
that I'd have happened in my

993
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:45,400
life and it was, it was
interesting.

994
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,100
It was very rewarding, book to
write but play out of the three

995
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:52,900
the hardest one to do to ya.
So if you're giving away too

996
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:57,300
much of the books, I don't want
to create a spoiler for anybody.

997
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:59,700
That's thinking about going to
get the book or you know I have

998
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:03,600
the author right here in front
of us so I don't want to do any

999
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:09,100
disrespect but is there anything
that you just found was

1000
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,000
consistent with almost every
case?

1001
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,300
And you can basically draw a
good picture as to what's

1002
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:19,500
actually going on or is this
something where it's all over

1003
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:24,000
the place depending on who had
there's a little bit of both

1004
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,300
actually which is interesting
like the big takeaway that

1005
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:33,100
happen in every everyone is that
everyone who came back, their

1006
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:41,300
outlook on life changed, They
worried less, there's more of a

1007
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:45,300
sense of knowing the truth about
the world and their place in it,

1008
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:46,700
they generally came back with
much more.

1009
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:50,600
Positive outlook on things, they
know none of them fear death at

1010
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,900
all because there's no doubt in
their mind that they're going

1011
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:56,400
someplace else that's better
which supports like very much

1012
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,000
like the religious standpoint,
they all got a chance during

1013
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,400
these experiences safe for one
or two where they could do like

1014
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,000
this had a moment to handle Back
at their lives and what they had

1015
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,500
done, right?
And what they've done wrong and

1016
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:11,900
how they affected other people
and how they hurt other people

1017
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:13,900
and that hurt was the intern
felt.

1018
00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:17,600
So they kind of saw the mistakes
that they had made which I

1019
00:54:17,607 --> 00:54:22,700
thought was really fascinating.
And many of them also came back

1020
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:27,900
with sort of a heightened sense
of like in terms of being to tap

1021
00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:30,600
into the, there's spirits around
us things like that.

1022
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,000
Being very much more empathetic,
empathic feeling the emotions

1023
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,900
deeper, Able to connect with
people on a more emotional,

1024
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:40,600
spiritual level, that kind of
thing which I thought was

1025
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,900
really, really interesting.
Very cool.

1026
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:48,900
Yeah, it's interesting how much
that that and even certain,

1027
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:52,300
like, spiritual experiences that
you hear or read about, like all

1028
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:56,800
of that aligns with what people
experience on, like high doses

1029
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,900
of psychedelics as well.
Like, it seems to all be very

1030
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:01,900
much related, which is
interesting to me.

1031
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:04,200
Well, that's where the theory
that is your brain just firing.

1032
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,500
You know what I mean?
Is your body's shutting down.

1033
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,500
Different parts of your brain
are releasing different drugs

1034
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:11,900
into your system to just make
the transition easier, right?

1035
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:16,900
And DMT yeah which is what you
know, that's big, there's

1036
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:19,800
theories that going back,
thousands of years at the idea

1037
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,600
of alchemy comes from this is
because they understood that

1038
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,700
your brain was doing this
alchemical transformation at

1039
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:32,600
this point of death or in dreams
or whatever and then that that

1040
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:37,000
in turn led to this whole, you
know, like Philosophical

1041
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,200
freaking evolution of thought
and shit, you know, but yeah,

1042
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,300
it's crazy.
That's what the book was just

1043
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:46,900
very much.
That was kind of my take away

1044
00:55:46,900 --> 00:55:48,400
from it.
If I have this this take away,

1045
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,800
the whatever this phenomenon is,
it's not a bad thing.

1046
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,000
It's a positive thing.
I didn't come across.

1047
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,000
Anyone in a research, you had a
bad near-death experience.

1048
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,600
Although there are people who
have had them which have been

1049
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,000
interesting to try to do a
follow-up book and touch on that

1050
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:03,600
aspect of it.
I was gonna be my question

1051
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,600
without giving too much away.
Did you meet anybody?

1052
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,300
Who said the exact opposite of
that, her experience the

1053
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:11,600
opposite?
No, I have heard of people who

1054
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,400
had been none of the people that
I interviewed for It had had

1055
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,500
them, so, Lynne Russell.
Here's the interesting to hear

1056
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:19,900
about to.
Yeah, well, she talked about a

1057
00:56:19,908 --> 00:56:22,600
couple of them are very much
like people ending up in what

1058
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,100
they thought was literally was
hell.

1059
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:26,800
Like, they end up there being
tormented and everything, but

1060
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,400
all and it was, is interesting,
the person with something one

1061
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,000
person ended up in there.
Literally just started seeing,

1062
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,400
you know, like you, Jesus loves
me this.

1063
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,700
I know kind of thing and then
they were out like they're out

1064
00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:39,800
of that, whatever that place was
and doing the tunnel heading

1065
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,700
somewhere else and then
eventually they were crash

1066
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:43,600
carded back.
Back.

1067
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,100
So it was really interesting and
that's where the subjective

1068
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:49,200
part, really seems to come into
the people.

1069
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,500
One of the people, I interviewed
was raised Catholic.

1070
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,800
And so the figure that he saw at
the end of the tunnel, looked

1071
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,300
like Jesus, like it was Jesus,
someone else.

1072
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,500
It was their father who had
passed away, you know, years

1073
00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:02,700
years before right?
Or a grandfather.

1074
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,600
So yeah, it's a real fascinating
subject.

1075
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,400
And I mean, we just scratched
the surface.

1076
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,600
Like really, there's only so
much you can do in one book

1077
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,400
before you kind of.
It does have to go to your

1078
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,000
publishing.
And you know, you don't want to

1079
00:57:14,008 --> 00:57:15,800
have like this tomb of a
thousand pages.

1080
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,400
So yeah.
It was it was it was it was an

1081
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,500
interesting book to write you
guys do audible on be some

1082
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:27,700
beyond the free books are
audible so I'm hoping knock on

1083
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:30,500
wood or something.
That one day one of mine will go

1084
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:32,200
to know.
There's people who would prefer

1085
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,500
to listen to it.
Then read it.

1086
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,500
Yeah, I do like really long
drives and stuff and I listen to

1087
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:40,000
an audiobook or while I was
traveling to Jeremy's place in

1088
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,400
back on the plane.
I was listening to audio books

1089
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,700
and stuff.
I just don't Have the attention

1090
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:46,600
span for reading like the most
attention span I have is my

1091
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,600
morning and evening Bible
studies and that's it, it just

1092
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,700
scare, you know, it absolutely
kills me.

1093
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,800
No, I don't know, like when it
comes to and E's and stuff, I'm

1094
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:05,600
I want to like look into the
evidence behind what people are

1095
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,200
saying, because lots of people
say they have, and he's saying

1096
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:14,600
that you were dead.
Brain dead for 24 hours is Well,

1097
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,700
that's a miracle to come back
from that.

1098
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:21,200
So where is the actual evidence?
Where's the medical

1099
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,800
documentation that you were dead
or whatever it was versus, just

1100
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,600
your say-so?
So, that would be something that

1101
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:33,700
I would have to look into to
regard most and he's, especially

1102
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:37,600
since they're so varying, and
why'd, you know, and it's just

1103
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:42,900
like, you know, it every You
know, and I'm counting

1104
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:47,700
Christianity in this.
Every religion in the world has

1105
00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:52,300
basically, if you did the thing,
this is what the result is.

1106
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:54,500
And if you didn't do the thing,
this is what the result is

1107
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:56,900
either.
It's nothing or its hell or some

1108
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:59,100
version of it or it's something
bad, right?

1109
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,400
But everyone has this completely
different experience.

1110
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,200
Well someone's got to be right.
Someone's going to be wrong or,

1111
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,300
you know, if someone's right
then everyone's wrong, you know,

1112
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:10,200
if atheists are right, then all
the religions are wrong.

1113
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,800
You know, it's got to be
something like that.

1114
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,700
And so, with all the varying
experiences, it does lead me

1115
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:20,500
more into the idea that this is
not people actually crossing

1116
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:24,000
over into the Afterlife, but
more.

1117
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,900
So their brain is just firing
off, you know, all that sort of

1118
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:28,900
stuff.
They're not actually dead,

1119
00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:31,500
right?
Because it's, you know, people

1120
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:34,100
coming back from brain death,
they have a lot more issues than

1121
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:38,000
just Oh man.
I just, you know, that was, that

1122
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,900
was crazy.
It's like, well, half your body

1123
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:41,500
isn't functioning anymore,
right?

1124
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:44,900
It was just total some huge
issues and implications that

1125
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:48,500
happen with that sort of stuff.
Most people, you know, I don't

1126
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:51,200
believe that even if you're dead
dead, like a heart stopped and

1127
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,000
stuff like that, it still takes
a while for your brain to die.

1128
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:57,300
But once the Consciousness last
a long time, like death, we even

1129
00:59:57,300 --> 01:00:00,200
had talked to her two children
named Lawrence Ward who's like,

1130
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,100
you know, the Neuroscience.
Hmm.

1131
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:04,400
And he says, you know,
Consciousness is your but when

1132
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,200
your body is Your heart is
stopped, your brain is dead, and

1133
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,200
rigor mortis has set in your
body's begun to Decay.

1134
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,400
That's death, right?
Yeah, right.

1135
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,000
So, anything that happens,
pre-death is just some form of

1136
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,400
your Consciousness, reacting to
what's happening to your body,

1137
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,800
as it's shutting down.
And that was that, we made a

1138
01:00:18,808 --> 01:00:22,300
real point of wanting to have
that in the book, especially

1139
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:23,700
among some of the stories that
get pretty out.

1140
01:00:23,700 --> 01:00:26,200
Yeah, because it's, you got to
Anchor it and, you know, being a

1141
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,300
journalist.
There's got it.

1142
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:31,000
I left, I want both sides of the
argument in there, right?

1143
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,700
And leave it up to the reader to
determine what's going on and

1144
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:34,600
they're going to believe
whatever they want.

1145
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,700
Anyways.
Sure.

1146
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:38,700
So it's yeah, we had to make
sure that that was in there

1147
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:42,400
because too many people, I
think, especially in our day and

1148
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,100
age, they have their argument in
their belief, and then they're

1149
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:47,800
just going to stick to that, and
they're going to find whatever

1150
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,600
evidence they can just to
support that.

1151
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,700
And that's it.
They don't want to, they don't

1152
01:00:51,707 --> 01:00:53,800
want to venture off that path
into something else.

1153
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,000
That's doesn't fit with their
point of view.

1154
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,600
So much of that, which is in the
books, we've written, we make

1155
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,800
sure we can back.
We put like Historical Research

1156
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,700
in try to find other documented
evidence that supports a story.

1157
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:04,900
You know what I mean?
Like, it's very important.

1158
01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:06,500
And even his paranoia
investigators.

1159
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:09,100
That's what we try to do at
every level of what we do.

1160
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:11,800
Okay, cool.
That is the most, that's

1161
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,600
awesome.
Terrifying concept of research

1162
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:20,700
I've ever thought of, you know,
just did.

1163
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:25,500
You could you imagine just
having your consciousness?

1164
01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:31,400
Just know that you're dead.
Right beep.

1165
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,100
You're thinking you're like,
okay I'm dead.

1166
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,200
This is it right?
Is it, everything's black can't

1167
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,800
move my body.
Can't breathe.

1168
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,400
Could do nothing.
I'm dead.

1169
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,800
Just waiting to just fade off
and go on to whatever's next

1170
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:50,500
cheese.
That is 160 thousand people

1171
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:52,100
worldwide every day experience
that.

1172
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:56,500
So it's not bad.
I've never had an nde, but I

1173
01:01:56,500 --> 01:02:00,000
have had like psychedelic
experiences and it's Seems

1174
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,300
terrifying.
Think about it, even thinking

1175
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:04,600
about the experiences that I've
had, that weren't terrifying

1176
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:06,800
thinking about it.
If I were to relay the

1177
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,300
experience to you it sounds
terrifying but the experience

1178
01:02:10,300 --> 01:02:14,800
itself ends up not being that
it's actually very Blissful.

1179
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,500
It's like a form of ecstasy in a
weird, kind of way when you

1180
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:22,400
cross over into this, whatever
realm that you're in and those

1181
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,600
those weird States, you know,
I'm gonna freak the fuck out.

1182
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:29,400
Maybe.
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people

1183
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:30,600
do.
Some people get lucky.

1184
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:38,100
See, I am not a, I'm not a big
ghost person that I think.

1185
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:41,600
I feel like the concept is
really neat, right?

1186
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,900
And I've always joked that like
I'm so afraid of death.

1187
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,000
That's, that's one thing that
I'm just absolutely petrified

1188
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,400
of.
And I always joked that, if, if,

1189
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,600
you know, ghosts and spirits are
real thing, I'm going to you

1190
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,300
want because I'm not going to be
able to like, oh, you know, this

1191
01:03:00,300 --> 01:03:04,500
are just not gonna be able to
And that's that's one of the

1192
01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:06,400
arguments.
Well then when people there's

1193
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,400
like I said, there's no, there's
all just theories.

1194
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,700
Most of the stuff is all just
theories.

1195
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:12,600
Anyways, but the why, why some
Spirit there are some spirits

1196
01:03:12,700 --> 01:03:14,200
and they're just the ones that
don't want to move on and not

1197
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,700
ready to pass on.
You know, they might be

1198
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:20,200
religious, but I think they're
worthy of Heaven yet, right?

1199
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:21,300
And they don't want to go to
hell.

1200
01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:25,500
So they stay or they just they
have unfinished business and

1201
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:28,100
they want to try to resolve that
business or it's your, you know,

1202
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:30,500
your energy, you die in.
Your energy has to go somewhere.

1203
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:33,300
So it goes into the ground or
the lecturers.

1204
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,700
Field or there when you die, you
go, they're not ghosts but it's

1205
01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:40,700
at all they're just being from a
different part of the parallel.

1206
01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:43,100
Multiverse that we're bumping
into from time to time.

1207
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:46,000
There's so many different
theories and ideas about it that

1208
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,900
which is why I find it.
So fascinating, I think it's

1209
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:52,800
absolutely fascinating, you
know, just to kind of go off at

1210
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,900
the other point I made earlier.
Same, kind of deal.

1211
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:58,500
I feel like this is almost set
up in a way to be that way on

1212
01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:03,200
purpose, you know, you
materialize this.

1213
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:05,500
Society in the world that we all
live in, to the point to where

1214
01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:07,900
nobody wants to die, right?
Like, we're all attached to the

1215
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,100
physical reality that we've
created for ourselves, right?

1216
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:13,600
Whereas, if you go back
thousands of years, people

1217
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,100
weren't at least from the
history.

1218
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:16,700
We're told people weren't that
way.

1219
01:04:16,700 --> 01:04:21,300
So much, people were much more
ready to go to whatever Heaven,

1220
01:04:21,300 --> 01:04:24,600
they believed in, you know,
whether it was through battle or

1221
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,400
whatever it was.
So I think that it's almost as

1222
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,900
if you know the lizard people,
right?

1223
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:32,900
Like they have constructed this
Society to keep us more.

1224
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,100
To it, some more of our souls
and Spirits are stuck in this

1225
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:41,100
realm, you know, like a
spiritual war, like a religious

1226
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:44,300
War, some kind, you know?
Yes, cell phones are going to

1227
01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:48,000
create a lot of ghosts, dude.
It's our Western culture to is

1228
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,400
far more terrified than the you
go to Eastern.

1229
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,600
They get parts of Eastern Europe
or even like in Asia.

1230
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,400
They're not the death is
honored.

1231
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,600
Its this side too scary event at
all.

1232
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,200
Like you're prepared ones are
looking forward to going.

1233
01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:01,900
You know what I mean?
Like you're saying, it's

1234
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:04,900
something in our capitalist
Western culture is really, you

1235
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:07,400
know, sold us on the idea that
we don't even have funerals

1236
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,500
anymore, right?
Or wakes their celebrations of

1237
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:12,000
life.
Like you don't even want to use

1238
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,500
the word death.
Or dead anywhere.

1239
01:05:14,500 --> 01:05:18,900
It's kind of sad actually.
Well, yeah, that was like stoic

1240
01:05:18,900 --> 01:05:20,500
philosophy person.
One of the big beliefs.

1241
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:23,900
There's Memento Mori and that is
your, you could leave life at

1242
01:05:23,900 --> 01:05:25,700
any moment.
So make sure every moment counts

1243
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:28,100
and live it the way that you
want to live it and live, a good

1244
01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:31,900
life and help others as you go.
And that's that's how I spend

1245
01:05:31,900 --> 01:05:33,900
every day.
Sorry I didn't mean to cut you

1246
01:05:33,908 --> 01:05:34,400
off.
Jacob.

1247
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:36,300
Oh no.
I was just going to say that,

1248
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:39,200
you know I mean it's so
depressing because if you know

1249
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:42,300
if you died now at you might
miss the next Marvel movie that

1250
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:46,800
came out out in other parts of
the world where that isn't a

1251
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:52,700
thing that they think about
mostly it's like I mean, there's

1252
01:05:52,700 --> 01:05:57,500
some pretty Some pretty
unfortunate people out there.

1253
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:03,600
I think that if you were more in
a position where you are, you

1254
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,900
know hoping for your next meal
you'd be less inclined to be so

1255
01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:10,500
scared of death.
You just be like I mean it's

1256
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:13,900
going to happen eventually and
so I think that our Western

1257
01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:19,200
culture or just a first world
sort of mindset makes us, you

1258
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:23,200
know I think it's greed is that
we just, you know, want to fill

1259
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,000
our lives with Thing that could
comfortably make it as

1260
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,200
pleasurable as possible.
So the thought of being without

1261
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,500
that is just catastrophic to us.
But you go other places where

1262
01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:37,100
that isn't the case and maybe
it's family or you know whatever

1263
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:41,900
that other alternate thing is
and death isn't that big of a

1264
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:44,700
deal because it's a reunions
sort of experience.

1265
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:46,700
It's a you know, whatever they
believe in that in that

1266
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:50,000
particular culture.
But it's not this self-obsessed,

1267
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,500
you know, give me everything so
I can be happy, you know, but

1268
01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:56,400
I'm still miserable.
Well, sort of mindset one and we

1269
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,000
are miserable really is a
society right now, right?

1270
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,300
We're probably miserable, you
know?

1271
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:03,900
And and we don't want to do
anything hard.

1272
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,900
Yeah, we want Comfort all the
time and how you dare you you

1273
01:07:08,908 --> 01:07:12,600
know make me feel uncomfortable
or want me to go wash the dishes

1274
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,300
or only on hold for ten minutes
you piece of crap?

1275
01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:19,400
Yeah.
Really just yeah.

1276
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:25,400
It's but it's really sad, you
know, to watch Wow, this a guy

1277
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,600
just went this way.
It's tough.

1278
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:34,000
I'm happy that I do of into this
book.

1279
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:36,500
Yeah.
For anybody looking for that

1280
01:07:36,500 --> 01:07:39,500
book, it's a Dying Light and
investigation into near-death

1281
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:42,100
experiences from Jason Hewlett
and Peter.

1282
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:45,100
Ren, I found it on Amazon, so if
anybody's looking for an outlet

1283
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:48,000
to buy it on Jason, do you have
another Outlet?

1284
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,500
People can look, all they're all
on Amazon or you can order them

1285
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:51,900
direct from Beyond the freight
publisher?

1286
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:55,400
There you go.
And To kind of help Jake here a

1287
01:07:55,408 --> 01:07:57,500
little bit Shannon.
And Jeff if you guys are

1288
01:07:57,500 --> 01:08:03,700
listening audiobooks Yeah boss
man.

1289
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:08,000
Jason Hewlett was some audio
books only narrate all real

1290
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,700
manager?
Yeah, I was gonna say, cut me a

1291
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:11,200
check.
I'll narrate some books right

1292
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:11,900
now.
Let's go.

1293
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,200
I mean shoot that's that's how I
do.

1294
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:18,600
Most of my research for the
show.

1295
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,500
I'm in the garage wrench on the
motorcycle listening to some

1296
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:25,300
audio book or some Dottie
documentary and then I'll pause

1297
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:27,000
it run over and take some notes
real quick.

1298
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:32,800
You know, that's that's a great
I like I listen I like to paint

1299
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,800
Miniatures and stuff like models
and do styling.

1300
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,700
I listen to podcasts and you
know and stuff.

1301
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:40,100
So I think I'd be having a merit
motorcycle to work on a be

1302
01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:42,399
awesome.
Good for you, right?

1303
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:48,300
When I got a spare sneak in the
house, my wife will lose her

1304
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:51,200
mind.
What a motorbike, come on to

1305
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,600
Boss Fan from the show.
You didn't fire.

1306
01:08:57,700 --> 01:09:00,899
Thanks.
All right.

1307
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,200
Um we're going to get we're
going to start bringing it down

1308
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:09,200
now, Jason, thanks a lot, man.
This was, this was a lot of fun.

1309
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,100
This is really cool for all of
those listening and watching in

1310
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:15,899
on the Paranormal Network.
Where can they find all things

1311
01:09:15,899 --> 01:09:18,500
Jason Hewlett?
How can they follow you working

1312
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:22,000
a, you know working they see,
Jason do Jason stuff.

1313
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:24,500
Why would anyone want to see
Jason?

1314
01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:27,300
Do Jason Stowe, I don't know, a
lot of a lot of what I do is

1315
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:29,800
here on the Paranormal Network.
You know, on YouTube and course

1316
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,100
we have our own Facebook page as
well.

1317
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:34,899
Where you can catch, we want to
believe hunting the haunted

1318
01:09:34,899 --> 01:09:37,500
which I do with Peter M as well
and then I narrate the UFO show

1319
01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:40,200
and of course this fine
programming as well as many

1320
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,000
others.
Yeah, books or through Amazon

1321
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,800
and Beyond The Fray publishing.
Are we have the Canadian

1322
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,300
Paranormal Society on Facebook
which is that's where we kind of

1323
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:50,800
work.
A lot of our contacts off of

1324
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,100
right now.
So people are welcome to come

1325
01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:54,300
and join that page.
And then I'm not, you know, I'm

1326
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:58,500
on Instagram J Hewlett, 72 and
on Facebook as well.

1327
01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:01,400
Like that's the I haven't.
I've never I've refused to go.

1328
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,400
Root of creating like, you know,
Jason Hewlett goes 200.com.

1329
01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:08,100
Yes, and trying to do that
because I'm gonna go buy that

1330
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:09,400
you're going to do, you're going
to buy it from me.

1331
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:16,600
In order to use it, I try to
keep things as simple as

1332
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,800
possible, but that's, that's
kind of where you can find my

1333
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,000
stuff in a nutshell, and, you
know, thanks to everyone who

1334
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,800
supported our work so far and
you supported the network and

1335
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,600
support, infinite rabbit hole.
It's everybody puts a lot of

1336
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,700
good hard work into what they do
so it's nice to see people who

1337
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:31,100
appreciate it.
Yeah.

1338
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:31,700
Oh yeah.
Yeah.

1339
01:10:32,300 --> 01:10:35,800
And you know if you're listening
to this podcast and you don't

1340
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,800
like chitchat and maybe podcast
aren't for you because you know

1341
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,000
that's what we do.
Yeah I'm gonna bring this up.

1342
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,500
Every up is we're going to do a
shirt just to make fun of that

1343
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:50,200
person still hat and you know
it's not even one person.

1344
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,700
It's been like three or four
different comments on a couple

1345
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:55,600
different episodes where it's
like these guys chitchat too

1346
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,400
much.
It's like what did they go to

1347
01:10:58,407 --> 01:11:00,100
the radio?
And say why is this radio full

1348
01:11:00,100 --> 01:11:03,800
of talking?
Why didn't they What the bleep

1349
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,300
right guys, look, come on,
entertain me in other ways, do

1350
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:10,800
it.
Departments monkey dance.

1351
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

1352
01:11:14,900 --> 01:11:18,200
And then just one other
commenter to shout out.

1353
01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:22,100
Somebody was talking about one
of us who burped, I think it was

1354
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:26,100
me, but I guess I was like,
excuse me, and the guy was like,

1355
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,600
burping is disgusting.
You shouldn't do it on, on a,

1356
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,900
such a public platform.
Form.

1357
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,400
Sorry man.
We're not professional, but

1358
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:37,400
functions happen.
Yeah.

1359
01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:41,100
And it's going to happen.
So yeah, I have my boss man,

1360
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:44,300
right here, so I'm okay with
that.

1361
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:52,200
Yeah, I don't come at us that in
this world like ripping them on

1362
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,100
the on the paranormal shows.
I.

1363
01:11:54,108 --> 01:11:56,000
Did you hear that?
It's a fun.

1364
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:05,000
All right.
Well that's it.

1365
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,500
Everybody that is Jason, he lit
that is our boss.

1366
01:12:08,900 --> 01:12:14,400
That is the guy who I don't know
why he did it but he put us on

1367
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,200
his Network.
Thank you, though.

1368
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,400
Well, thank you guys for coming
on.

1369
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,100
And it's been, it's been great
having your show on there.

1370
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:23,400
It's been really entertaining to
listen to and it's fun and it's

1371
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,500
informative.
It's like, you know, that's

1372
01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:28,000
what's good you guys are putting
out what you guys find and

1373
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,600
actually as you can find it and
that's that's what we're all

1374
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:31,800
about.
Even on the network in general,

1375
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,200
all the shows are serious.
Approach is to the subject

1376
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:35,400
matter but we have a good time
doing it.

1377
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,500
Hell yeah.
Have you ever tried to the next

1378
01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:40,500
episode yet?
No, you haven't.

1379
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,700
By the time this episode comes
out, we'll be fired.

1380
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:57,400
Yeah, my next episode dropping.
All right, I just got a new job

1381
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:08,100
doing audio book narration.
So boy, and then yeah, so other

1382
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:14,800
than Eating out that yes, this
is the man who creates the

1383
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:19,300
titles for our videos.
You can point at him that guy

1384
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:21,400
right there about all those
titles.

1385
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,400
He he digs deep for him.
Sometimes, I'll tell you what,

1386
01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:28,900
but yep.
Head on over to the Paranormal

1387
01:13:28,900 --> 01:13:31,900
Network, Facebook page, a lot of
stuff over there.

1388
01:13:31,900 --> 01:13:34,500
You guys have a ton of members
in, which is really, really

1389
01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:36,100
awesome.
And then when you're done with

1390
01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:38,300
that, head on over to the
infinite Rabbit Hole Facebook

1391
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:40,300
page.
We have fun over there to we

1392
01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:44,500
post some pretty cool stuff.
We started posting pictures to

1393
01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:49,000
go with episodes about a day or
two before the episode drops.

1394
01:13:49,300 --> 01:13:52,000
That way you have all of the
content that you need while

1395
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,300
you're listening.
So when you're listening you're

1396
01:13:54,700 --> 01:13:58,500
asking, you know, we're talking
about the Loch Ness monster like

1397
01:13:58,900 --> 01:14:02,500
Ken's are just did for us, you
can go to the Facebook page and

1398
01:14:02,500 --> 01:14:05,800
check out those pictures that
were talking about red circles.

1399
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:08,800
Yet with red sir, we should have
done that.

1400
01:14:08,900 --> 01:14:14,900
Damn it, I missed opportunity.
Should we talk about the the

1401
01:14:14,900 --> 01:14:21,400
shutdown or just leave it?
Oh no we we should we should

1402
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,300
announce that really quick.
Do you want me to go ahead and

1403
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:26,600
do that Jake?
Yeah.

1404
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,000
All right.
Just kind of make an

1405
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,400
announcement here.
This is not Jason Hewitt

1406
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,500
related.
This is all infinite rabbit

1407
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:35,600
hole.
If you guys want anything off of

1408
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,000
the merch shop, you got to do.
So before the first of the year

1409
01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:45,000
as we are shutting her down.
Okay, we're the only ones that

1410
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,300
buy things.
We're literally paying a

1411
01:14:48,308 --> 01:14:50,600
membership to keep keep
ourselves happy.

1412
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,100
And that's, that's pretty much
it.

1413
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:55,100
So if you guys are looking for
some infinite Rabbit Hole, merge

1414
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:57,100
check us out over at infinite
Rabbit, Hole.com.

1415
01:14:57,100 --> 01:15:00,900
Click on the irh, merch, tab at
the top, and check out some of

1416
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:05,000
our swag Jake, put a lot of
really hard work into making

1417
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,600
some of those t-shirts.
I know I just kind of I bought

1418
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,600
three of them because the
decision was going to be made

1419
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,700
soon to do this.
Both working to come up with a

1420
01:15:13,700 --> 01:15:16,100
new way of doing it.
Something that's cheaper for us.

1421
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,900
So hang tight.
All right, Jason once again

1422
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,900
thanks man.
Really do appreciate it.

1423
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,600
Everybody want to say their last
words to Jason before we let him

1424
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,000
go.
Thanks, Jason classic?

1425
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,500
Yeah.
Thank you, Jason.

1426
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:36,500
But I get to brag that I got to
talk to a celebrity.

1427
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:44,700
He's Canadian.
I've told people that I know

1428
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,900
about you and none of them are
interested in any of this stuff

1429
01:15:48,900 --> 01:15:51,800
and they're just like, okay and
I'm just like, alright, cool.

1430
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,600
Well think I've had two people
recognize his name when I

1431
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,000
mentioned him.
All right?

1432
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,700
But you know, we appreciate it.
And for those that are involved

1433
01:16:01,700 --> 01:16:04,500
in like this, I don't have to
press it neech.

1434
01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:09,200
I guess this is like, you know,
it's like it is a big deal and

1435
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,500
we think it's a You're a cool
guy and we appreciate you coming

1436
01:16:12,500 --> 01:16:15,100
on here and chatting with us and
having us on your network.

1437
01:16:15,100 --> 01:16:17,200
That's pretty sick.
It's been a lot of fun.

1438
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,400
Thank you.
We love are so don't fire us.

1439
01:16:20,700 --> 01:16:27,200
No, cause you really have to.
All right, everybody that has

1440
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,600
been another episode of the
infinite Rebel podcast.

1441
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,200
Check us out on Instagram.
Behold.com.

1442
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,600
If you need to email us,
infinite rabbit hole at

1443
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,300
gmail.com head on over to
Facebook, check out the

1444
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:41,400
infinite, right?
Butthole, and paranormal

1445
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:42,700
Network.
Facebook pages.

1446
01:16:43,300 --> 01:16:45,900
Things are popping over there.
No, just kidding.

1447
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:48,600
Actually at the paranal network,
there's tons of stuff.

1448
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,600
Infant rabbit hole.
We do everyone's while we love,

1449
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:56,700
having you guys over.
Until next time, we'll see you

1450
01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:59,200
next path of the infinite
Ravenel by.

1451
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:05,300
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye, there it is.

1452
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:08,100
Look at On Cue