Research Spotlight: Jason Hewlett

0:02 I'm Gideon from the burning Vale podcast and you for listening to the infinite Rabbit Hole. Keep it up guys, you doing a great job. Welcome back to the if the rabbit hole, I'm your host Jeremy and today we have the boss man. He's here.

0:50 You don't know who he is yet, but I do. And so does Jacob. Jake how you doing? I'm doing? Well, dude, I'm somewhat bummed out. I keep ordering this motorcycle parts and not all of them fit, so it's just a big pain in the butt. But other than that, I'm good ready to have a conversation with boss, man. And then, hey, if you're listening to this episode, it means we weren't fired. So, True. That's very true. We'll see how it turns out after this episode though because when my not you know we're not going to get into that but I see you're back at home man. Yeah, yeah spent a week with you and and now I'm back home lucky.

1:31 All right. Let's go to the guy who didn't spend a week with me Jeffrey. How are you? Yes, I'm good, man, I'm a little jealous. I saw you guys hanging out and I was like, man. I want to come hang out too but I spent the weekend hanging out with my Dad. We haven't seen in a long time. Riding a boat on a lake and barbecue and drinking beer. So I think it was too cold for you. Be honest. Probably like anything below. 70 is too cold for me, so, oh yeah. There's like 65 and older plummeted down, and then it started snowing on us. And then it will bump back up to 60 and 50 again as well. Yeah, me and me, and Jacob here, we were out in the middle of the Woods, doing some squatching, and it was cold and wet and man, you would have you just hated it.

2:21 I'm good. I'll be at the command center. Use radio back to me. That's how this works Bigfoot. Okay, I got it out. Kid. Hello. Hello. Hello, how are you doing? I'm exhausted. Oh, long day at work or it was a long week I over the on Sunday, late on Sunday, I got back from Alberta. My big sister got married. It was a very long week and a lot of flying and a lot of not sleeping and I'm still recovering. Half the crew travelled in the last week. Yeah, yeah, we're all back.

3:06 Alright, let's move along because we know that you're not here to listen to us. You guys do it all the time. You guys want to hear the new voice, the boss voice, the man, the myth, the legend, Jason Hewlett. What's up, dude? How you doing? Hey guys, how's it going? Oh it's going. Sounds like, you're all you're all tired and ready to go to bed is what it sounds like? Yes, I just got off 13 hours of work, man. I'm ready to roll. It's do this awesome snow. Thanks for having me on. All right. So who is Jason Hewlett? Us? You know what, Jason, who are you to the infinite Rabbit Hole? I'm the guy that sought you guys out because we were looking for a video podcasts to come on the Paranormal Network there at Joe Blow and it was suggested by Phantom, fill the other Legend. Yes, showed up.

4:09 To fill feels feels good. People actually talking to Phil later this week on about get back, going back on a show love and yeah, he suggested and he forgave me Jeremy's contact. So I reached out to Jeremy and Jeremy and I had a chat about it and then all of us sat down and had a chat about it and I think it was like, two weeks later, you guys were, are on the Paranormal network with your first video podcast and that was, like, already 14 weeks ago, something like that. Something like that. Nobody's counting here. He totally summer. Plies is crazy. It sure does. I mean it's not so yeah that's and so I my job on the network is I'm like the showrunner for all the programming. Basically I approve all the scripts and the edits and put the shows together and make sure they get up on time. But I also do a few of my own shows on the network as well. So you know, we want to believe hunting the haunted narrating, the UFO, so that kind of keeps me busy. I'm someone G's is, it always me? So I have a background in journalism like I was a newspaper reporter for 10 years, crime reporter, who Yanks being Umm, and a lifelong interest in the Paranormal and I've hit a point in my life where I was finally, been able to take all those skill sets and interests and just put them together into one.

5:19 One thing that somehow has become a job and I'm not really sure how I'm still not sure how I feel about that. I have no more Hobbies. Now, you hate it now. Good, good, long story short, this guy is responsible for you having to listen to us every week. Not just listening to watch, watch watch. Sorry, you're right. He's the one who puts her ugly mugs on YouTube, you poured some really sounds like a lot of work to me, man. Because you know this pot just from this podcast, right? And then another one, another to that, I mean, like that's already so much work to me and then thinking about how you have to, you know, manage on some level. However, many shows there are on the network. Like, I don't know.

6:04 It seems like a lot of work is it? As much as I feels like to me, it It. Like, it, isn't it like, it's fun. I mean, it's paranormal content, right? Because we've got shows that kind of cover off everything from Bigfoot, to UFOs to ghosts, you know, to myths and urban legends and all that. I think in total, it's like a good Five or six shows. And usually there's one or two a week coming out sometimes three, sometimes four if we bring in interviews right. And so it's managing that. So it's a lot, but it's fun, it's all stuff. I'm fascinated with like you guys. You guys wouldn't sit here and talk every week you know, before you even came on our Network. Because if you didn't like it and we're interested in it and didn't want to put the time in. So it's just kind of become this thing that I didn't plan or anticipate on but was given the opportunity to do so I jumped on it because you know, You only get a chance like that.

6:51 Like, once in a lifetime, really? Yeah, well, that's that's sort of true Jeff's here because he has a crush on me, but Ken's are Jake and myself. I mean, we love this stuff for sure, absolutely. Jeff just loves me. You got it, waiting for that. Come back. All right, Jason. So now that everyone knows who you are to us, you're basically our director or producer sorry who's Jason Hewitt the Paranormal Investigator. Tell us a little bit about that because that's why you're here. You're not here because you're our producer, you're here because your Investigator in the Paranormal. So give everybody listening into the infinite Rabbit Hole a little bit of background with that. Well, that's it's like, I, you know, anyone who's interested in this stuff like, you know, like you had Denver Michael Denver, Michael's on Felix back, it usually starts as like this personal experience or point of interest in their lives. It happen happens.

7:58 Mine was, when I was quite young, I still remember. It was really weird. I was in the back of my mom's car and we'd go. Gone to one of my friends houses to pick him up. He was going to come over for a sleepover, we were like five or six and my mom left the vehicle to go up to the house and get my friend. And I've heard of reason I stayed in the back and it was like one of the it's a gremlin is what it's called there. Like that Horan is Hash patch back home that is exactly talking about I love kremlin's my mom gave up a Mustang to get the gremlin. Well that's just it. Never forget I mean I were will tell you honestly So I'm in the back and has this big hatchback. I'm looking out the back window for whatever reason, the street. And one second, there's nothing in the next this face just appears in the back window of the hatchback. It doesn't like rise up and it doesn't come forward. It just appears and it's like this Mongoloid ish. You know almost Jason Voorhees without the hockey mask s face. Hmm.

8:59 And it's there and then it's gone. And I startled me and I dropped to the floor of the, the back of the car and stayed there until like, I heard footsteps coming up because it was gravel. Then my mom shows up with my friend and I'm like, did you guys like my little, my friend? Would you just run around the car? And he's like, no and like did you guys see anyone come around there? Like, no, not at all. There's no Street. There's no one on the street. Like I that's why I was just kind of looking out the back window. Just staring at nothing and on my mom was a teacher and she just said it was my overactive imagination. But it wasn't because I can still remember it. 45 years later that face and it just kicked off this interest in. What was that?

9:41 You know, why did I see that? And what's going on? And I just started becoming interested in the Paranormal and watching all the shows like, you know, the original in search of with Leonard Nimoy and then, you know, sightings when it came on and every Unsolved Mysteries episode about, you know, ghosts or Monsters or UFOs. And I kind of had I've met friends that were interested in it so we kind of do our own half-assed investigations. Not knowing what We're doing and it wasn't really until after my journalism career ended June, talk about the Paranormal as a reporter I was a crime reporter, you lose any credibility at that point, right? Talked about it so I was very quiet and my interests but it was 2017 right around this time and I just before Halloween and I was surfing the web, my son was watching cartoons, he was five, he was five at the time and Vancouver paranormal.

10:31 Society was doing a membership Drive, I came across their website kind of thing and I'm like, no way. So I just emailed them and said, hey longtime interest in the Paranormal would love to learn more about how you investigate it properly and they responded and I end up going on an investigation with them. That's how I got to know, Peter Ren, you know, hit co-authored the book switching, I work with on, we want to believe and I started investigating with them and in 2020, he and I left and formed their own group up here that Canadian Paranormal Society We were Foundation, we just became a government registered, to start not-for-profit society and that's what we do. We go into people's homes, who believe they're haunted and we investigate them, we go to historic sites, commercial buildings and quite often.

11:12 If we're able, we document what we investigate, which becomes the we want to believe series that's kind of it in a nutshell. So, speaking of the, we want to believe Series where can people watch that? That is on the Paranormal Network itself. It's got its own playlist. And if you Google like, we want, I believe it'll you lepas Odes will come up that way to? Yeah. Yeah. So if you want to check out Jason and his team, check that out. Paranormal Network YouTube page, good stuff. I've watched a little bit of it myself. Anybody have questions for a boss man here. Yeah, so last night, my wife had a Swatch again. The 1995 live action Casper movie and then very recently.

11:53 I've seen Ghostbusters. So, how much is your job similar to both? Casper and or Ghostbusters not at all actually disappointing when it's no, because I remember, I love Ghostbusters. Like I remember that came out and I just thought, like five times in the theater, right? Because it was just like, oh my gosh, this is amazing, and we don't use proton packs, which was disappointing. We don't we don't get to wear coveralls at all. Sometimes a team shirt like Banker. Apparently, got a team shirt. I never wore it because it was purple and I hated it. We don't It's a lot. An or is it like anything? Zak Bagans does.

12:35 Even like ghosts ghosts. You know, what was it? Ghost Hunt goes to. What was it first, one Ghost Hunters. Yeah, Ghost Hunters, right? Like a kind of when they started, that was close. You know what I mean? Like, we do spend a lot of time sitting in rooms with recorders and headphones on. And, you know, sometimes we've got like, temperature gauges and we use a Spirit Box and you're generally talking to nothing. And you could do that for hours. Like I mean ours, a whole night and not get anything like nothing happens. Yeah. And you get crushed and you kind of go home and you're tired and you're bitter and then you get a chance to go back to that location or there's another place you get to investigate. And suddenly one day, the most exciting thing is that you think you hear something and then you kind of go back, listen your playback and you get a voice that wasn't anyone else that was in the room?

13:22 There was no one else around that. You can attribute it to and it sounds like, you know, Old man. That was supposed to have lived there but died. You know what I mean? And that becomes your like moment. Like we got something, it's rare. When something happens. That's, that's big, like, you know what I mean? Like a door moves or Slams on its own or a toy comes flying off a shelf. You know, I've had moments like that and they're really awesome. But they are few and far between, and I have yet to run into anyone that's been possessed, let alone on a weekly basis deep. When you say you get a voice, do you mean that you get a clear Audible Voice? Or do you get some Take that has to be, like, clear ottoline? Yes, okay. Hear audible voices static? He wins will come through on the Spirit box, which at something we tend to take, you have to approach the Spirit box with a bit of skepticism because it is an AM FM receiver, right? And you're getting a, you're getting radio chatter right? The only time we really take what we here with any sort of resonant is you get like an intelligent response to a question that you asked that.

14:27 In with the research that you've done, like at a place that we investigated called, Bailey house up in Merit, in British Columbia, there was a guy who used to open could all Merit of scum and villainy. No, it was a guy that used to own it named Tom, something I can't remember the last time off the top of my head and when we were kind of asking or demanding for a name, over the Spirit Box, we got it was like Chuck, Chuck Chuck, Chuck, Chuck and then it stopped and then we got a clear male voice going Tom. And then we start to touch again and so that we give more weight than what could be, you know, the tail end of a song or a bit of some just, you know, radio chatter Communication in it. The EVPs are kind of where you get your gold and before I go on, none of what we find is paranormal investigators would probably hold up in a court of law as actual real evidence. But it's the closest thing you get. And what's really just a pseudoscience and the hope is that You do enough.

15:26 Good work and return to the same locations. Off enough times that you can form a hypothesis that you can then test repeatedly to attempt to get something that would become more scientifically based evidence. And we've got a few locations where that's kind of what we're doing right now. We've been to a haunting here. We're in my hometown that we've been about 25 times and we're allowed to go back whenever we want to try to get back once a month and still keep what we learn. We try to just apply it next time and try to recreate these scenarios where we're getting things. Things we're having things happen. That's awesome. Yeah, we good. Well I was I was going to ask another question about locations but 04 whatever you had to say. I'll go for it kid.

16:09 Okay. Well I was going to ask out of everywhere. You've been thus far, what's your favorite place that you've investigated. We really do, like, Bailey house. We've even did an episode there. The dollhouse episode, we want to believe that was done there. We were just back actually a couple weeks ago and got a good. Series of EVPs there in places and Bailey house is neat because it's this historic house. And there's this outbuilding and kind of every time we go there that was The Hot Spot moves. So, like, for like many investigations, nothing ever happened in the basement at Bailey house, like nothing. And then we suddenly started over a couple of started, getting things happening. That's where we picked up a Shadow using our laser grid. Like there's nothing that should have made the shadowy shape of a person. But it was there and we'd turn the light on and there's nothing that could obstruct it.

16:54 We turned it off and you could he'll see the shadowy shape of a person in the laser grid to that four or five times until its pristine to move away, which is printing part of that ended up in the episode. I like, Bailey house I investigated before, I was officially an investigator trunk Hill, sanitarium up here in Kamloops, which was an old tuberculosis Clinic /, mental hospital. Oh yes, yeah, they'd be institutionalized in the Andes. And that plane is that place. Yeah, so many stories, there and MTV's. Fear did an episode out there. Do it again. This is like It's a mental institution so you can imagine all the stories that would go along with it. Right? The, the abuse of patients, you know, the you know, the many deaths, you know, suicides Etc. There's a tunnel system underneath because it used to snow so much up here.

17:42 You couldn't real patients or supplies above ground because while the snow so they did it in the tunnel system. That's cool. It was it's cool. It's creepy. I've investigated. They like are we honestly that that's a lot of snow. It's It's the engineering. It gets a lot of snow when we get snow and that's the only place I had anything happened that actually scared me and I think it's because I didn't really know what I was doing at the time and we were down in the tunnels myself and my colleague, Donna, who claims to be psychic and we had spent the day investigating. We were in the tunnel system and we came out in what was the basement of the laundry facility?

18:24 Has had a full-on, might a whole city out there, its own city. Has a school laundry, all this stuff. And we're deciding, it's time to go back to the vehicle because I was getting getting late and it was like, well do we go back up and just go across land or do we go back through the tunnels and maybe we'll run into something, you decide to go through the tunnels and literally would come through these doors. There's no air flow. You could open the door and it would kind of do the swing, like bang, bang, bang, bang, just come through there. I reached around, I grabbed the door, I started pulling back and it slammed shut on me with enough for some 61, I was about 200 pounds. At the time, it was pulled off my feet and I hit the door. Donna ran and I ran to I was gone. Sounds like there was a Sasquatch on her side of that door. Who knows?

19:06 Man, I don't know what it was. There's no one else there. There's no one else down there. There's no lighting down there. There's nothing but that was scary. Like that was legitimately could have been a homeless guy falling, I don't know. But it was, it was could have 100% confirmed. Sasquatch was down there. I'm saying that because that's how much there is a place that I really want to check. Scout ahead a lot of disgusting disturbing history and in Clovis California where I grew up, it was called The Wolfe Manor and it was a sanitarium that there was like 300 people like you know, elderly people that were abandoned inside of there. And they all starve to death. And when they finally, when the police finally opened up the doors and like looked inside, I mean, they were just like, you know, months of their own feces, they were Hang on, completely uncared-for. There was like five total staff members for the entire, for the entire facility, and all these people were just abandoned. And I think the original family that owned Wolfe Manor were all gone and I think there was like so many lawsuits against the estate itself that no one was willing to buy it afterwards. And so it was literally for a number of years, it had a sale ahead for free sign on the front. Aunt, but no one would purchase it. And eventually a few years ago, they decided to just go ahead and tear it down because it's such an eyesore on Clovis, but it was just like that.

20:35 I don't hold any weight into ghosts and stuff, but I figure it's like, if there's gonna be something it's going to be at some place like that, right? And it's like, you know, and I'm, I don't believe in them enough that if someone's just like, oh, a thousand dollars to spend the night, be like, let's go. Can I bring a toothbrush? Yeah. It's like, I don't care. There's a place in Edmonton called The Charles Campbell Hospital, which is exactly like the one Jason was describing in Kamloops. There's it was a TV Hospital, exact same thing. And I've always wanted to go check it out because all you hear is all the ghost stories out of it, but I'm too chicken to go do it. It's also in the heart of the city on the west end and Edmonton. So probably not a good idea.

21:20 Anyways. No, not at the best of times. I went there to find some ghosts and end up getting stabbed. Nice. Yeah. Found a homeless guy and he's stabbed me instead. Those are the places like those are like because the story is just not like hospitals in general, even like my colleague. Peter works for Interior Health at a hospital and he has odd stuff happening all the time in the hospital. Like, you know, just hearing footsteps going up and down the hall. When he even sent me a video of it. Like, you can hear these footsteps clunk along, it was, you know, 6:00 in the morning. You know, any place where someone dies or there's any kind of trauma. Those are places where these, if there are spirits, that's where they're going to gravitate to write, it would make sense. Yes, it is.

22:08 Can't pass. I don't know. There's so many theories behind what ghosts could be if there are. They are ghosts, right? And then you bring different religions into it, and then there's just so many different aspects that could touch on. I think, is what partly makes it so controversial, a subject at the best of times people are experiencing something. I've experienced enough in my years of doing this that I can't say for sure. What's going on? I just I believe something's happening. Yes, I can agree. Is that right? Yeah, I would say it's more on the Demonic side and when you think you're talking to Grandma, you're not but but I do believe the stuff happening, you know, and I was like, you know, not not being in Catholic or Christian, I don't know, 70 come across anything that I could classify as demonic and Peter is an investigator for an ordained Exorcist.

22:55 Of Washington state and he's been doing it 10 years and has come across. Maybe one case where it could have led to a possible you know, a possible exorcism and for the most part it's mental health, or addiction issues there. Yeah. Tribute to a lot of these, right? And that's something we take in before even investigate, how anything? We do a full that we want to do a full background check. Like, are you seeing a psychologist? What medication are you on? Yeah. What are the plethora of actual things? That could be making you believe that you're having a haunting or some kind of spectral encounter? And 99% of the time. It's nothing paranormal at all. It's messed up meth. Yeah. You're someone who just wants to believe so much that their house is haunted for whatever reason and that they will come up with things that they believe it's haunted but we go and check it out.

23:44 It's like no but you've got like every episode of like Paranormal State and your DVD collection and books on the occult and Satanism. And you know what I mean and you're golfed out and you just want this. To happen. Like there's no sign here that there's any it's like it's, you know, not to be that guy right now. But it's like I was making a joke to my sister today because all she watches is like those True Crime shows and documentaries but she's terrified of stuff like everything, right? You just, you can whisper to her. She you know, she'll jump. So I'm like, that's what happens. You just filling yourself with this True Q. Just waiting for a serial, killer to come in. Do the same thing with this kind of stuff too, and And same with conspiracy theories as well.

24:27 Like people just, they get so consumed that everything is a conspiracy. I'm guilty of that with the conspiracies. So I saw her lying in your hat. We'll listen. That's not a concern that fear, okay, yes, I don't get me started. That's not enough, the Silver Line be nice. Okay. Jason. You. I mean, we definitely see it in like the Bigfoot Community. Jeremy and I were poking fun at this post for some an encrypted Good thing on Facebook where someone literally took a picture inside the woods of Psych some trees and there are like this weird shadow in the bottom right-hand quadrant of the picture. And there's literally nothing there and everyone just like, yeah, draw a circle around it so you can show us what we're looking at and people, they do this all the time, right?

25:13 And it's just like, because yeah. I think that, it's good to like, look for the sort of stuff. Right? You know, no, don't be startled by it, but there can become an obsession. Like you were saying with all the Sin. All the, you know, all the different types of media where anytime you see something out of the corner of your eye, your I got demons. You know, it's the same hat rack that's been there for five years. But today it's demons because you've been, you know, watching whatever horror movies for days on end you know what is the what is behind all that? Yeah, totally I get like stuff sent to me all the time and one guy sent me this. It was a picture of his bonfire. Now you look at it there's like you know there's a demon in the fire and I'm looking at it and I'm like what kind of see Batman myself.

26:00 Personally what you want to see ya and he's like I didn't think you'd be so skeptical and logged off and that was the end of that. It's just like it's the fire against Jason. I thought that you believed in this stuff. What happened man I think I've got it. Don't sound so disappointed about it. Jesus is going to say get a lot of those. We get a lot of those. I've seen multiple people even in the infinite Rabbit Hole group that are just like this is, I had this encounter we all like chat each other. Like okay, listen, who's going to entertain this one, right? Well at least we all can trade off on that, not it. I get personally messaged, probably at least once a week. From somebody that I don't know.

26:54 And they're like, I need to share a secret with you that one that one woman was like, yeah. And she was talking about how she used to work for this government, to secret government. Entity in Canada. It was a, it was a do, do they do this? American secret government, entity, in Canada that was working on. Cloaking devices for Jeeps and Hummers and she was like, yeah just like yeah you haven't heard of that pictures of the grounds in the outside this building.

27:36 So so you know she's like I can't tell anybody because they'll kill me and I was like but you told me So and now you just hold the world for anybody listening. Now, you know, don't tell us your secrets, people will tell them and just let you know, screenshots are are taking and shared. Okay, we have a laugh about this. Every once in a while, like maybe twice in the whole time that I've had this podcast, I've gotten somebody to message me with something pretty cool. You know, sometimes you do get Something pretty cool. 99% of the time though. It's it's a it's meth demons, right? It's whack a deuce.

28:22 Yeah, it's like that hat rack. That Jake was talking about magically tournaments. I would send their drinking that this sweet tea and I'm like, I'm gonna choke on this down real quick. All right, so red circles. Jason, one thing we don't have on this show, is somebody who's really into the Paranormal right, meaning whatever. They are, you know, what they're commonly known as ghosts, right?

29:05 Do you does your community also suffer from these phantom red circles that show up in Facebook posts and everything. Oh, gotcha, yeah, it's I think it's just so it's that's what people do, right? They do the yeah, it's I think it's just everywhere any place where there is an interest in anything that's kind of fringe science. That kind of stuff is going to show up. Yeah, basically, right? It just comes with the territory. It's so another easy everybody wants to discover something. I think that there's a deep human like urge to explore and discover things. And I think they're now at this age, not that you can't do that.

29:46 Because there's a way that you can always, learn and discover things. But there's some weird thing where people just like to have to be. They feel like they have to be the one I found this thing. The circle is so you can see it. Like, and they really believe it. People really believe that they've seized on. Nothing. You know. I never really thought of it like that. That's a good. That's a good one. That like that. Perfect way to sum it up, Jeff like that. That's That's bang on. And that's it. We and they can do that. Now, you can just sell. I took the picture with my phone and you go in and edit thing and you Circle it and put it up in here. It is. Right? And I think people do it now. We used to get it on a good example. Like when I was a crime, reporter had like, the police scanner, right on right on my desk. So I listened to every kind of police for call coming in, during the course of like my shift and I lost track of how many times someone saw a guy with a rifle walking down such and such as street, but they'd be driving. Buying their car.

30:37 It's a yeah, guy drove by saw a person walking with a rifle called the police. Didn't stop, didn't take a moment to think that, maybe it's a, we're in Canada, it's a hockey stick or then, you know anything it could have been anything like but they just jump on it right away and so now you can do that with this stuff. You can take a picture of it, you Circle it and you post it to social media without even stopping to really think about what what you saw right. And what you're posting my thing with those pictures as well is they always Seemed to claim that the picture was taken a few years back, but it looks like this very clear, crystal clear picture that could very well, could have been taken on a phone that was created yesterday, right?

31:19 And they're putting random circles in corners. And oh, yeah. Mom, took this photo back in 2014. No, she didn't. It's almost like they're almost like they're out there hunting for that dopamine hit. Yeah, you know, they're like, oh yeah. A great method opening, what's exciting, right? You get attention for a while you know, people kind of get on it and if it gets enough traction it can become a can become a meme, it can be caught you know be go viral like there's so many different different things and it's just so easy to do that. Now know you're, I think you're right, there's this desire to be recognized and acknowledged and even get a little bit famous and that's just a real easy way to do it, right? Yeah. The easiest way to do it is to create a podcast and get scouted by someone famous.

32:05 I mean, that's Yeah, right. Yeah like we said the man's got an IMDb page we talked about that that's why I was so indifferent about that picture of that big old footprint. I took when I was on that camping trip Jeremy's I call you got to post this and I was like okay but I was like whatever because I knew it was going to happen anyway. You know we're just that good. I don't need to push this Fame, it's gonna happen, you know, she posted it, you should have posted it and added like 15, red circles and then There's 27 Bigfoot in this picture on the ground? Yeah, look speaking of Jason. Let's take a little trip outside of the Paranormal and was asked, do you believe in Bigfoot, go for sure. I do not good.

32:58 I live, right? Smack in Bigfoot area. Territory up here. In British Columbia. Me too. You're not fired. Then you can stay. I like you a little bit more boss. Will keep the mess demons at bay today. On that note of questioning, what were you at in the conspiracy World? Jason, it's funny. My buddy Sean and I he does the the music for you. Want to believe he's kind of a resident skeptic. A lot of the conspiracies that people are talking about right now we remember, when they were popular the first time and he's but no one was there. Considered not because we talked about this kind of stuff all the time. And I think it's like, it's kind of interesting that so many of them have kind of come back around and it's how it's just, it's accepted like people now, just talk about conspiracies, like like it's the regular news, do you know what I mean? And then people are almost more inclined to go down that conspiracy rabbit hole plug to kind of just be like to be a part of it and they're giving it weight and they're giving it more weight.

34:04 I think in some regards like than actual like Vic evidence or or you know, real factual facts. I think if anything that the whole pandemic couple of years, has brought all this stuff even more into the mainstream than it was before, because I just think there's people a like, in terms of like, you know, UFOs and Bigfoot, and ghosts and stuff people. Just, it's kind of like a second. Almost spiritualist movement. People want there to be more to life than just, you know, go to get, go work, your job, go home. Watch TV eventually, die. You know what I mean? There's got to be more to life than that, and the capitalism Etc, and they're looking. I think for deeper meanings to things. And I think there's so much distrust of government and, you know, science and all this for whatever various reasons because of how the whole pandemic was handled, that they're giving more weight to conspiracies and believing that no one wants to think that, you know, this that could have just been a virus that happened.

34:57 It's got have been created in a lab somewhere and got out and if you believe one of them is created by Canadians and we let it out so. Well they did. I heard that just came out And say that. What was it? Boston College, Jake, Boston University. They just made one that has an 80% kill rate perfect. Yeah, awesome. Nice. At least on the news like yesterday, good idea. But anyway, yeah, my favorite uncle wet Market. My favorite thing is people that are so deep into, you know, like you're saying a pseudoscience, right? And they don't regard other forms of pseudoscience with any sort of weight to it. It's like, I'm Incredible skeptic, when it comes to the Paranormal. But I'm also a Christian.

35:42 So I believe in the Supernatural, right? But it's just like there's a little bit of a difference there, but it's just like, I don't completely disregard it. I'm willing to listen, right? But I was talking to this, this lady at the county fair, a couple months ago. You know, it's hilarious because I'm sitting here, she saw, I was wearing one of our infant whole Bigfoot shirts, and she searched at me up about it, right? And I'm talking to her about Bigfoot and evidence in the Patterson gimlin, big, fulfillment. All this other stuff and she's Just completely shutting me down, she's like, there's no way that's impossible, you know, I'm just like every continent on Earth with exception of Antarctica, and North America has Apes, every single one Mexico. They have Apes, you know, or they have monkeys and stuff, and she's just shut me down. Meanwhile, she's at a booth where she's selling people crystals for healing and stuff and I'm like, this is how are you this dense?

36:30 Like it's crazy. It's just like, you know, is just wild to me that, you know, Is that huge disconnect there? You get people that are so deep into conspiracies but anything else that I've no sorry that's just ridiculous or, you know, people that are really big into the Paranormal but you hit them with, you know, a conspiracy or you hit them with you know, Cryptid or something like that. Even and we can say cryptozoology is, you know, the study of animals that used to be extinct and maybe they're still around and stuff like that. We have some good examples, like the cola camp and whatever but they're just like, nope, sorry, just completely just shut it down and it's It's hilarious to see all those little sex and stuff. It's almost like the high school Clique. So that's how I would, I would I kind of. Oh sure.

37:13 Yeah, right and and I know what's frustrating is like the parallel investigators like like me won't talk to the cryptozoologists in the cryptozoologist want. Nothing to do with the UFO guys. Yeah UFO guys don't want to deal with the conspiracy people but like really, we should all be working on the same field here, trying to finance, I think it's all interpreting lied to you collected. Just to get a little conspiratorial about that for a second. I feel like it would just was I feel like this was done by Design, man. I feel like the the fracturing and splintering of all of these, like, you know, different things right. These Fringe Sciences, right? These all these things were fractured on purpose, right? These groups on Facebook for specific things and everybody's dug into their idea.

38:00 And like, you can't think about the possibility of aliens because the Earth is flat or you can't think about, Out, you know, whatever it is right. It can't be ghosts because it's demons or whatever. I think that that was done purposely so that we don't all put our minds together and figure out some of the stuff that's actually going on that. Yeah. What conspiracy thought of the day I like to make sense even like back in the day like we had an idea like you know about UFOs is like why? Don't because there's this big UFO group online, it's like why don't we all just at the same night? Go out with our telescopes, we all decide, we're going to look at a Certain long to Tunnel latitudinal patch of Sky, all of us for two hours at this certain time and just record what we find, you know what I mean? Like just to see if we find it no matter what part of the western.

38:49 Because all on, we're all on the west coast part. We can then compare notes after and see if we saw the same things and if we could count it a discounted and you know we got kicked off the page because then you can't get organized and yeah, that way you organize man sense yeah for sure, man, that's what we're doing this for. We can be you know Point the point. And it's next, next time you have a genius idea like that. Just go ahead and post it up on the internet. Rebel will allow it. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, awesome. From right. Nobody's going to do with you but will it almost feels like it is by Design. That's why it's so fractures almost like they want the someone somewhere wants this whole field to stay as pseudoscience. For whatever, for whatever reason and because they don't want the crystals to heal you, man. We're all really alien what you want, that Crystal does not work on body odor.

39:46 The way that deodorant doesn't want. You know, I learned the other day, you know, I cats purr because he's dealing for healing. Yeah, the the frequency of vibration. Yeah. Right. So light is much Eurasian. Everything's available. Vibration color light and minerals and crystals everything is alight. So everything is a vibration. So they could technically Haley, but I'll Stand Out on this one. The whole reason why we recorded tonight was to secretly, get everybody. Listening to go to their local SPCA office and get cat. Get you one. Yep. Sorry that's not going to happen. I don't like cats, it's falling.

40:28 It's medicinal. It's get you a medicinal cat. Yeah, I break all that young. A cat on it out. There you go young before I go by it cat. Got a headache where cat? I got an extra one if you want. Jake, no, I'm kidding. You can't have either one of my cats. I love my cats because I'll release into the wild to be with some kind. Take it out of the woods and release it. Oh boy, poor Kitty. You bet your tongue lick a cat? What is this? That fit your tongue. Like the cat back. Jeez, Louise we have fun, huh?

41:14 Oh man, we're so funny. Anyways, I gotta, I gotta take a little trip back because you said something and before we get too far away. You were, you were saying that you remember when these conspiracies were around the first time and I just mice are rolling, and it's just like, I could imagine back in 1776 when they were signing the Declaration of Independence. They were having conversations about reptiles a reptilians and those white wigs that they were really that they were wearing were like the the old-fashioned tin foil hats true. It's all true man.

42:02 His every is made up. So who knows? Yeah, every 100 26 years. It just comes around another fake topic. Part of the Matrix. History is fake everybody. Bear with us. While we take this quick break, So winning fathers were reptilians. So what do you what do you feel about like aliens, you know, extraterrestrial aliens, what's your thoughts on that old thing Jason? I think I think it's fascinating. I mean there's been no reports of UFOs going all the way back to the Bible and Biblical times right in the Great Pyramid times like the Chariots of the Gods you know there's a there's a whole argument I could just see Jacob giving me this I I know what you're referring to, but that could have started from Aliens, right? There's, there's the whole very discussions about pre, you know, pre societies and Empires working with the gods to create, which could have been aliens to create the pyramids or the Mayans and their temples and the big Skies, the sculptures that you can see down.

43:12 If you go look up down, you can see the different McHenry, remember where it is, they look just hieroglyphs. You look at the look down from above to see them and asked a lot. Why would dick? Yeah. Yeah. Why would they create? That said, thanks, I had a senior moment for a second there but, you know, in Victorian times they talked about seeing flying airships, you know, and and then they just sort of morphed into being these high-tech spacecraft. I think it's something that's been with us for as long as we've been on this planet. I'm sure they've been visiting us for ever. They Aboriginal tribes talk about, you know, they're the star Lords, and their friends from space. This is something that's been around for a long, long time. And I think it's only recently, That.

43:52 You know, the government is just not, wanted people to know about it, whatever it is, you know, once Roswell happen and sort of went, as we got more evolved and in free and information became Freer, and he's more easily dispersed. It's like they've started clamping down more and become more concerned about what's going on with aliens. That that's how I kind of look at it, back back before there was sort of really highly organized industrial societies and, you know, radios and TV. I don't think people cared so much and information was whatever information was, it was easier to control, but as that's kind of Change. Now, they've become more concerned with the truth getting out about what is going on out there with with aliens and visitors from other planets. If indeed, they're from other planets they could be a could interdimensional beings, you know or from different different timelines are different parts of the Multiverse. You know.

44:38 That's just a big Theory going around that I've kind of I kind of like yeah I just want to step in real quick and fill in some holes. If you're listening to this you're most likely We already know of it but Chariot of the Gods is a book by the author of Eric Erich, von daniken. I highly recommend it. Jake, I think that you would find it interesting, though. At the same time, you would tear it apart. No, I do. But mostly, this is for Danny Danny. This is one of my recommendations, go ahead. And I just want to throw that out there real quick, for anybody, I love promoting books and I think Chariot Chariots of the Gods is something that, you know, if you're interested in the phenomena of UFOs and how it could tie into To history especially very, very early history, that's a book that you might be interested in Reading. Yeah, the the whole Ancient Aliens ancient astronaut theory on the days that I that I do believe in space, I'm there. You know what I mean?

45:49 So catch me on the right day today, I'm with you. I'm thinking, yeah, because I, you know, I just listened to a podcast was all about the Anunnaki and plan it X and the ancient astronauts and stuff. So, yeah, I'm with you today Planet X. That's just fascinating, right? I think it just lends more Credence to to the whole UFO. An alien debate saying with like, you know, going back to Bigfoot like every country and every continent on the planet has a wild man. Yeah, thinks it's real, right? Except the same with, like, in the Netherlands, it was Trolls, but the trolls are big hairy creatures, you know, the average sound a lot like Bigfoot and similar in their folklore. So I mean, there's there's something there. Come on, yeah, we're meth demons.

46:32 Yep. Alright, all about them. We're about Giants. Giants. Yeah yeah. It's one of those things I've not ever seen one, yet have no opinion on Giants, one way or the other. We're still waiting on Jake's next giant episode. What about dinosaurs do? You believe that dinosaurs existed? We go Poor Jeff is called Drumheller Alberta.

47:14 We can go where it's the Dinosaur Museum. And you can see it's a really cool place, right? I tried telling them, I'm sure that plaster fake plaster, casts of nothing. Are we going? Yeah, really good artists out there. You think that every alien movie that those aliens actually exist, come on. Oh I don't I don't think that was on the Paranormal network. Was it? That that episode was opposed our Fake. No, I don't think it was. No, I think that was just before I would have been highly entertaining to listen to. Well, there's always always a chance. Jason, you just have to listen to it and I walk I got true to like to go back if you want it if you want a good laugh. It's pretty pretty good. Yeah, sure. Jeff like kind of broke my brain with that one.

47:56 Like he had some very compelling stuff. Like it was like okay you know, most of this is probably a horse crap but there was definitely some like you know why? Does this one family control? All of the licensing, for every dinosaur, like, video game, and TV show and movie that's ever been made and all sorts of stuff, like, you know, it's all a huge money industry and everything. Why does these two, you know, was it archaeological was it like the Smithsonian and then something else? Why is it every single time? Something is found they swoop up in there, then the person doesn't even really get credit for it. Maybe they named it after the person that found it, but But, you know, they just take over the dig site and stuff, you know, it's just like he had a lot of stuff to say where it kind of broke my brain a little bit because I'm just like who shoot.

48:44 It's our number one episode and I'm sort the audio only platform. So you know if you're if you're listening to are watching this show on the parent will never go ahead and jump over to Spotify or anywhere else where you get your podcasts and check out dinosaurs are fake starring, Jeffrey dinosaurs are fake Fernandez. His name changes every time. Yeah, freaking crazy. I don't know. So Jason, what's on the docket, man? What's coming up next for you? I guess, I still have to write another book. I'm contracted to write one more book for Beyond The Fray publishing that Peter and I are just pardon me.

49:30 Can we talk about the topics that you were right about that forbid if you want sir? We can get on that. Well, so forgive me. I don't have the titles of your books with me. Mind filling Us in on that. There's three out so far too with under the, I want to believe banner and one of them is called one man's journey into the Paranormal and that kind of tells your story, my colleague, Peter ran, and his whole story from he's been doing this. He's from the UK. So he started with his interest in the Paranormal. He was a boy and then he investigated all over the world, but just kind of follows his story in his life's bit. And bring Get up to the present. The second book is called an investigator's archive, and that's where we interviewed. I think 22 different paranormal investigators, filmmakers cryptozoologists you, no cure.

50:15 No key from the UK Hall Bradford, who is on, you know, Ghost Hunters International, you know, Ken Gerhard and then you Seth Breedlove from small-town monsters, we talked to a whole bunch of people, plus some investigators at Peter and I knew we basically just tell their story for chapter and what kind of their big experiences have been and what their theories are on the Paranormal. And then the most recent book that came out in. June is dying light and investigation into near-death experiences. That's the one I want to talk about. Okay. I mean I love hearing a celebrity talk about other celebrities at school, but I want to talk about Andy's, man. Let's, let's, let's talk about that a little bit. Can you shine a light on on just give us a little teaser Manuel like what kind of stuff can we look forward to with that book? Because that's that's the one I'm going to grab here pretty soon there.

51:00 Jason it's it wasn't it came out of writing and investigators are Archive because one of the investigators Angela art Usos out of New York City and she's a Paranormal Investigator there. So we're hearing her story and then set up in the middle of her story. She talked about this experience, she had where she basically got got hit. It was in a car accident, and pretty much died, and had a near-death experience. And it was so different than, you know, the the tunnel of light and, you know, the shadowy figures Etc. And, you know, the feeling of euphoria was so very, very different that it like it didn't feel like it belonged in a book we're just About paranormal investigators in their life stories. So we message Peter after and I'm like, you know, we should do a book on near-death experiences and he'd had one, he'd had a liver transplant and had a near-death experience during that. And so we decided, you know, okay, let's do it. And last October we started doing research. So we covered off, we talked to some people about their experiences.

51:53 So we do kind of like the experience a report plus we talked to like, you know, like neuro scientists, grief counselors, various aspects of try to just take a real look at what this phenomenon could be. And what's happening and I ended up with more questions than answers as is always the case. But it was really interesting to hear all these different people's accounts and talk to this one. Gal, who would research 2500 different near-death experiences ranging and people who had been dead for several minutes to up to 24 hours and come back and just how each of these experiences, they're sort of similarities. But they're also very subjective based on your life. Experience your religious background, lack of religious background. Dress.

52:35 So it was really quite quite a fascinating thing to research and write. And then it kind of helped me just work through some stuff that I'd have happened in my life and it was, it was interesting. It was very rewarding, book to write but play out of the three the hardest one to do to ya. So if you're giving away too much of the books, I don't want to create a spoiler for anybody. That's thinking about going to get the book or you know I have the author right here in front of us so I don't want to do any disrespect but is there anything that you just found was consistent with almost every case? And you can basically draw a good picture as to what's actually going on or is this something where it's all over the place depending on who had there's a little bit of both actually which is interesting like the big takeaway that happen in every everyone is that everyone who came back, their outlook on life changed, They worried less, there's more of a sense of knowing the truth about the world and their place in it, they generally came back with much more.

53:46 Positive outlook on things, they know none of them fear death at all because there's no doubt in their mind that they're going someplace else that's better which supports like very much like the religious standpoint, they all got a chance during these experiences safe for one or two where they could do like this had a moment to handle Back at their lives and what they had done, right? And what they've done wrong and how they affected other people and how they hurt other people and that hurt was the intern felt. So they kind of saw the mistakes that they had made which I thought was really fascinating. And many of them also came back with sort of a heightened sense of like in terms of being to tap into the, there's spirits around us things like that.

54:30 Being very much more empathetic, empathic feeling the emotions deeper, Able to connect with people on a more emotional, spiritual level, that kind of thing which I thought was really, really interesting. Very cool. Yeah, it's interesting how much that that and even certain, like, spiritual experiences that you hear or read about, like all of that aligns with what people experience on, like high doses of psychedelics as well. Like, it seems to all be very much related, which is interesting to me. Well, that's where the theory that is your brain just firing. You know what I mean? Is your body's shutting down. Different parts of your brain are releasing different drugs into your system to just make the transition easier, right?

55:11 And DMT yeah which is what you know, that's big, there's theories that going back, thousands of years at the idea of alchemy comes from this is because they understood that your brain was doing this alchemical transformation at this point of death or in dreams or whatever and then that that in turn led to this whole, you know, like Philosophical freaking evolution of thought and shit, you know, but yeah, it's crazy. That's what the book was just very much. That was kind of my take away from it. If I have this this take away, the whatever this phenomenon is, it's not a bad thing. It's a positive thing. I didn't come across.

55:53 Anyone in a research, you had a bad near-death experience. Although there are people who have had them which have been interesting to try to do a follow-up book and touch on that aspect of it. I was gonna be my question without giving too much away. Did you meet anybody? Who said the exact opposite of that, her experience the opposite? No, I have heard of people who had been none of the people that I interviewed for It had had them, so, Lynne Russell. Here's the interesting to hear about to. Yeah, well, she talked about a couple of them are very much like people ending up in what they thought was literally was hell. Like, they end up there being tormented and everything, but all and it was, is interesting, the person with something one person ended up in there. Literally just started seeing, you know, like you, Jesus loves me this.

56:33 I know kind of thing and then they were out like they're out of that, whatever that place was and doing the tunnel heading somewhere else and then eventually they were crash carded back. Back. So it was really interesting and that's where the subjective part, really seems to come into the people. One of the people, I interviewed was raised Catholic. And so the figure that he saw at the end of the tunnel, looked like Jesus, like it was Jesus, someone else. It was their father who had passed away, you know, years years before right? Or a grandfather. So yeah, it's a real fascinating subject. And I mean, we just scratched the surface. Like really, there's only so much you can do in one book before you kind of. It does have to go to your publishing. And you know, you don't want to have like this tomb of a thousand pages.

57:17 So yeah. It was it was it was it was an interesting book to write you guys do audible on be some beyond the free books are audible so I'm hoping knock on wood or something. That one day one of mine will go to know. There's people who would prefer to listen to it. Then read it. Yeah, I do like really long drives and stuff and I listen to an audiobook or while I was traveling to Jeremy's place in back on the plane. I was listening to audio books and stuff. I just don't Have the attention span for reading like the most attention span I have is my morning and evening Bible studies and that's it, it just scare, you know, it absolutely kills me. No, I don't know, like when it comes to and E's and stuff, I'm I want to like look into the evidence behind what people are saying, because lots of people say they have, and he's saying that you were dead. Brain dead for 24 hours is Well, that's a miracle to come back from that.

58:17 So where is the actual evidence? Where's the medical documentation that you were dead or whatever it was versus, just your say-so? So, that would be something that I would have to look into to regard most and he's, especially since they're so varying, and why'd, you know, and it's just like, you know, it every You know, and I'm counting Christianity in this. Every religion in the world has basically, if you did the thing, this is what the result is. And if you didn't do the thing, this is what the result is either. It's nothing or its hell or some version of it or it's something bad, right?

58:59 But everyone has this completely different experience. Well someone's got to be right. Someone's going to be wrong or, you know, if someone's right then everyone's wrong, you know, if atheists are right, then all the religions are wrong. You know, it's got to be something like that. And so, with all the varying experiences, it does lead me more into the idea that this is not people actually crossing over into the Afterlife, but more. So their brain is just firing off, you know, all that sort of stuff. They're not actually dead, right? Because it's, you know, people coming back from brain death, they have a lot more issues than just Oh man. I just, you know, that was, that was crazy. It's like, well, half your body isn't functioning anymore, right?

59:41 It was just total some huge issues and implications that happen with that sort of stuff. Most people, you know, I don't believe that even if you're dead dead, like a heart stopped and stuff like that, it still takes a while for your brain to die. But once the Consciousness last a long time, like death, we even had talked to her two children named Lawrence Ward who's like, you know, the Neuroscience. Hmm. And he says, you know, Consciousness is your but when your body is Your heart is stopped, your brain is dead, and rigor mortis has set in your body's begun to Decay. That's death, right? Yeah, right. So, anything that happens, pre-death is just some form of your Consciousness, reacting to what's happening to your body, as it's shutting down. And that was that, we made a real point of wanting to have that in the book, especially among some of the stories that get pretty out.

1:00:23 Yeah, because it's, you got to Anchor it and, you know, being a journalist. There's got it. I left, I want both sides of the argument in there, right? And leave it up to the reader to determine what's going on and they're going to believe whatever they want. Anyways. Sure. So it's yeah, we had to make sure that that was in there because too many people, I think, especially in our day and age, they have their argument in their belief, and then they're just going to stick to that, and they're going to find whatever evidence they can just to support that. And that's it. They don't want to, they don't want to venture off that path into something else. That's doesn't fit with their point of view. So much of that, which is in the books, we've written, we make sure we can back. We put like Historical Research in try to find other documented evidence that supports a story.

1:01:03 You know what I mean? Like, it's very important. And even his paranoia investigators. That's what we try to do at every level of what we do. Okay, cool. That is the most, that's awesome. Terrifying concept of research I've ever thought of, you know, just did. You could you imagine just having your consciousness? Just know that you're dead. Right beep. You're thinking you're like, okay I'm dead. This is it right? Is it, everything's black can't move my body. Can't breathe. Could do nothing. I'm dead. Just waiting to just fade off and go on to whatever's next cheese. That is 160 thousand people worldwide every day experience that.

1:01:52 So it's not bad. I've never had an nde, but I have had like psychedelic experiences and it's Seems terrifying. Think about it, even thinking about the experiences that I've had, that weren't terrifying thinking about it. If I were to relay the experience to you it sounds terrifying but the experience itself ends up not being that it's actually very Blissful. It's like a form of ecstasy in a weird, kind of way when you cross over into this, whatever realm that you're in and those those weird States, you know, I'm gonna freak the fuck out. Maybe. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people do. Some people get lucky. See, I am not a, I'm not a big ghost person that I think.

1:02:38 I feel like the concept is really neat, right? And I've always joked that like I'm so afraid of death. That's, that's one thing that I'm just absolutely petrified of. And I always joked that, if, if, you know, ghosts and spirits are real thing, I'm going to you want because I'm not going to be able to like, oh, you know, this are just not gonna be able to And that's that's one of the arguments. Well then when people there's like I said, there's no, there's all just theories. Most of the stuff is all just theories. Anyways, but the why, why some Spirit there are some spirits and they're just the ones that don't want to move on and not ready to pass on. You know, they might be religious, but I think they're worthy of Heaven yet, right?

1:03:20 And they don't want to go to hell. So they stay or they just they have unfinished business and they want to try to resolve that business or it's your, you know, your energy, you die in. Your energy has to go somewhere. So it goes into the ground or the lecturers. Field or there when you die, you go, they're not ghosts but it's at all they're just being from a different part of the parallel. Multiverse that we're bumping into from time to time. There's so many different theories and ideas about it that which is why I find it. So fascinating, I think it's absolutely fascinating, you know, just to kind of go off at the other point I made earlier. Same, kind of deal. I feel like this is almost set up in a way to be that way on purpose, you know, you materialize this.

1:04:03 Society in the world that we all live in, to the point to where nobody wants to die, right? Like, we're all attached to the physical reality that we've created for ourselves, right? Whereas, if you go back thousands of years, people weren't at least from the history. We're told people weren't that way. So much, people were much more ready to go to whatever Heaven, they believed in, you know, whether it was through battle or whatever it was. So I think that it's almost as if you know the lizard people, right? Like they have constructed this Society to keep us more. To it, some more of our souls and Spirits are stuck in this realm, you know, like a spiritual war, like a religious War, some kind, you know? Yes, cell phones are going to create a lot of ghosts, dude. It's our Western culture to is far more terrified than the you go to Eastern.

1:04:51 They get parts of Eastern Europe or even like in Asia. They're not the death is honored. Its this side too scary event at all. Like you're prepared ones are looking forward to going. You know what I mean? Like you're saying, it's something in our capitalist Western culture is really, you know, sold us on the idea that we don't even have funerals anymore, right? Or wakes their celebrations of life. Like you don't even want to use the word death. Or dead anywhere. It's kind of sad actually. Well, yeah, that was like stoic philosophy person. One of the big beliefs. There's Memento Mori and that is your, you could leave life at any moment. So make sure every moment counts and live it the way that you want to live it and live, a good life and help others as you go. And that's that's how I spend every day. Sorry I didn't mean to cut you off. Jacob.

1:05:34 Oh no. I was just going to say that, you know I mean it's so depressing because if you know if you died now at you might miss the next Marvel movie that came out out in other parts of the world where that isn't a thing that they think about mostly it's like I mean, there's some pretty Some pretty unfortunate people out there. I think that if you were more in a position where you are, you know hoping for your next meal you'd be less inclined to be so scared of death. You just be like I mean it's going to happen eventually and so I think that our Western culture or just a first world sort of mindset makes us, you know I think it's greed is that we just, you know, want to fill our lives with Thing that could comfortably make it as pleasurable as possible. So the thought of being without that is just catastrophic to us. But you go other places where that isn't the case and maybe it's family or you know whatever that other alternate thing is and death isn't that big of a deal because it's a reunions sort of experience.

1:06:44 It's a you know, whatever they believe in that in that particular culture. But it's not this self-obsessed, you know, give me everything so I can be happy, you know, but I'm still miserable. Well, sort of mindset one and we are miserable really is a society right now, right? We're probably miserable, you know? And and we don't want to do anything hard. Yeah, we want Comfort all the time and how you dare you you know make me feel uncomfortable or want me to go wash the dishes or only on hold for ten minutes you piece of crap? Yeah. Really just yeah. It's but it's really sad, you know, to watch Wow, this a guy just went this way. It's tough.

1:07:30 I'm happy that I do of into this book. Yeah. For anybody looking for that book, it's a Dying Light and investigation into near-death experiences from Jason Hewlett and Peter. Ren, I found it on Amazon, so if anybody's looking for an outlet to buy it on Jason, do you have another Outlet? People can look, all they're all on Amazon or you can order them direct from Beyond the freight publisher? There you go. And To kind of help Jake here a little bit Shannon. And Jeff if you guys are listening audiobooks Yeah boss man. Jason Hewlett was some audio books only narrate all real manager? Yeah, I was gonna say, cut me a check. I'll narrate some books right now. Let's go.

1:08:16 I mean shoot that's that's how I do. Most of my research for the show. I'm in the garage wrench on the motorcycle listening to some audio book or some Dottie documentary and then I'll pause it run over and take some notes real quick. You know, that's that's a great I like I listen I like to paint Miniatures and stuff like models and do styling. I listen to podcasts and you know and stuff. So I think I'd be having a merit motorcycle to work on a be awesome. Good for you, right? When I got a spare sneak in the house, my wife will lose her mind. What a motorbike, come on to Boss Fan from the show. You didn't fire.

1:08:57 Thanks. All right. Um we're going to get we're going to start bringing it down now, Jason, thanks a lot, man. This was, this was a lot of fun. This is really cool for all of those listening and watching in on the Paranormal Network. Where can they find all things Jason Hewlett? How can they follow you working a, you know working they see, Jason do Jason stuff. Why would anyone want to see Jason? Do Jason Stowe, I don't know, a lot of a lot of what I do is here on the Paranormal Network. You know, on YouTube and course we have our own Facebook page as well. Where you can catch, we want to believe hunting the haunted which I do with Peter M as well and then I narrate the UFO show and of course this fine programming as well as many others. Yeah, books or through Amazon and Beyond The Fray publishing. Are we have the Canadian Paranormal Society on Facebook which is that's where we kind of work. A lot of our contacts off of right now. So people are welcome to come and join that page. And then I'm not, you know, I'm on Instagram J Hewlett, 72 and on Facebook as well.

1:09:58 Like that's the I haven't. I've never I've refused to go. Root of creating like, you know, Jason Hewlett goes 200.com. Yes, and trying to do that because I'm gonna go buy that you're going to do, you're going to buy it from me. In order to use it, I try to keep things as simple as possible, but that's, that's kind of where you can find my stuff in a nutshell, and, you know, thanks to everyone who supported our work so far and you supported the network and support, infinite rabbit hole. It's everybody puts a lot of good hard work into what they do so it's nice to see people who appreciate it. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. And you know if you're listening to this podcast and you don't like chitchat and maybe podcast aren't for you because you know that's what we do. Yeah I'm gonna bring this up.

1:10:41 Every up is we're going to do a shirt just to make fun of that person still hat and you know it's not even one person. It's been like three or four different comments on a couple different episodes where it's like these guys chitchat too much. It's like what did they go to the radio? And say why is this radio full of talking? Why didn't they What the bleep right guys, look, come on, entertain me in other ways, do it. Departments monkey dance. Yeah. Yeah. And then just one other commenter to shout out. Somebody was talking about one of us who burped, I think it was me, but I guess I was like, excuse me, and the guy was like, burping is disgusting. You shouldn't do it on, on a, such a public platform. Form.

1:11:32 Sorry man. We're not professional, but functions happen. Yeah. And it's going to happen. So yeah, I have my boss man, right here, so I'm okay with that. Yeah, I don't come at us that in this world like ripping them on the on the paranormal shows. I. Did you hear that? It's a fun. All right. Well that's it. Everybody that is Jason, he lit that is our boss. That is the guy who I don't know why he did it but he put us on his Network. Thank you, though.

1:12:17 Well, thank you guys for coming on. And it's been, it's been great having your show on there. It's been really entertaining to listen to and it's fun and it's informative. It's like, you know, that's what's good you guys are putting out what you guys find and actually as you can find it and that's that's what we're all about. Even on the network in general, all the shows are serious. Approach is to the subject matter but we have a good time doing it. Hell yeah. Have you ever tried to the next episode yet? No, you haven't. By the time this episode comes out, we'll be fired. Yeah, my next episode dropping. All right, I just got a new job doing audio book narration. So boy, and then yeah, so other than Eating out that yes, this is the man who creates the titles for our videos. You can point at him that guy right there about all those titles.

1:13:21 He he digs deep for him. Sometimes, I'll tell you what, but yep. Head on over to the Paranormal Network, Facebook page, a lot of stuff over there. You guys have a ton of members in, which is really, really awesome. And then when you're done with that, head on over to the infinite Rabbit Hole Facebook page. We have fun over there to we post some pretty cool stuff. We started posting pictures to go with episodes about a day or two before the episode drops. That way you have all of the content that you need while you're listening. So when you're listening you're asking, you know, we're talking about the Loch Ness monster like Ken's are just did for us, you can go to the Facebook page and check out those pictures that were talking about red circles.

1:14:06 Yet with red sir, we should have done that. Damn it, I missed opportunity. Should we talk about the the shutdown or just leave it? Oh no we we should we should announce that really quick. Do you want me to go ahead and do that Jake? Yeah. All right. Just kind of make an announcement here. This is not Jason Hewitt related. This is all infinite rabbit hole. If you guys want anything off of the merch shop, you got to do. So before the first of the year as we are shutting her down. Okay, we're the only ones that buy things. We're literally paying a membership to keep keep ourselves happy.

1:14:50 And that's, that's pretty much it. So if you guys are looking for some infinite Rabbit Hole, merge check us out over at infinite Rabbit, Hole.com. Click on the irh, merch, tab at the top, and check out some of our swag Jake, put a lot of really hard work into making some of those t-shirts. I know I just kind of I bought three of them because the decision was going to be made soon to do this. Both working to come up with a new way of doing it. Something that's cheaper for us. So hang tight. All right, Jason once again thanks man. Really do appreciate it. Everybody want to say their last words to Jason before we let him go. Thanks, Jason classic?

1:15:32 Yeah. Thank you, Jason. But I get to brag that I got to talk to a celebrity. He's Canadian. I've told people that I know about you and none of them are interested in any of this stuff and they're just like, okay and I'm just like, alright, cool. Well think I've had two people recognize his name when I mentioned him. All right? But you know, we appreciate it. And for those that are involved in like this, I don't have to press it neech. I guess this is like, you know, it's like it is a big deal and we think it's a You're a cool guy and we appreciate you coming on here and chatting with us and having us on your network.

1:16:15 That's pretty sick. It's been a lot of fun. Thank you. We love are so don't fire us. No, cause you really have to. All right, everybody that has been another episode of the infinite Rebel podcast. Check us out on Instagram. Behold.com. If you need to email us, infinite rabbit hole at gmail.com head on over to Facebook, check out the infinite, right? Butthole, and paranormal Network. Facebook pages. Things are popping over there. No, just kidding. Actually at the paranal network, there's tons of stuff. Infant rabbit hole. We do everyone's while we love, having you guys over. Until next time, we'll see you next path of the infinite Ravenel by.

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