Researcher Spotlight: Denver Michaels

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Greetings everyone, I'm
Declassified Dave, 1/3 of the

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hush-hush society conspiracy our
podcast and you're listening to

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infinite rabbit hole.
Welcome back to the infinite

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Rabbit Hole.
I'm your host Jeremy.

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And today we have a special
guest, but before we get into

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that, I like to say welcome back
to the Paranormal Network as

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well.
It's been quite the ride so far,

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awesome stuff.
We love it here.

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We feel like it's home and we
feel like we've finally found

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the place we belong.
Before we get into all the

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really exciting stuff for
tonight and the true topic,

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let's go ahead and get everybody
brought in.

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Let's talk about big sweaty
Jake.

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It's going on man.
See your muscles.

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Ripping through your shirt.
Oh yes yes so strong in this

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silly infant Rabbit Hole shirt.
Now I'm good just got out of PT

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jump in the shower and I'm here,
and I'm stoked for this weekend.

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I get to go do a trout fishing
competition with my dad, pair it

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in with a Christian men's
Retreat.

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So it should be cool.
So, rolling up there to Fresno.

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Here tomorrow and then on Friday
he and I are jetting up to him

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like so I'm pretty stoked for
the weekend.

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A lot of good stuff.
Planned any Bigfoot out there.

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Probably not right where the
right where the campsite is it's

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been there for about 100 years
and it's pretty pretty popular

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over there, but around that
area, it's fairly remote.

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So maybe on the outskirts and
stuff but none of the wildlife

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really come into the camp area
even though the cabins are

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pretty spread out and stuff
because usually a bunch of like,

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there's usually a bunch of like,
kids out there and stuff because

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they have a bunch of, you know,
Middle School and High School

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Retreats and stuff like that.
So a bunch of kids screaming and

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At night and then people
shooting guns and stuff.

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There's probably not a lot of
Sasquatch activity, right near

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the area but outside sure.
So no Wildlife coming into the

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camp.
But is there going to be any

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Jake's going into?
The wild depends on how hot the

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fishing is, I suppose if you're
absolutely killing it, I mean,

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they stock they stock that Lake
last year.

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I think the, the biggest rainbow
trout that was caught, that got

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the prize for the longest was
like seven inches.

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So it's like they put some big
old fish in that thing.

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So if the fishing is just
killing it or I'm probably not

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going to be wandering around.
We'll see right on.

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Well let's go ahead and bring in
the next host.

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Kinds are, how are you?
You've been promoted?

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Yes, yes.
I've gone up rank been promoted

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from Kid, the child.
Oh, that doesn't, that's not as

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catchy though.
I then, I'm all right.

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I just finished my dinner, so
I'm Full and full of energy and

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food and ready to go.
Was it french fries and gravy

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soup?
Yeah.

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Was it really?
It was my poutine.

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Yes, I had poutine for dinner.
So for all the Americans that

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don't know what that is.
Come on.

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Can you please explain it?
It is literally just french

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fries covered in cheese curds
and gravy if you haven't tried

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it.
Do it.

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You're welcome.
It's a Canadian thing,

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everybody.
It's delicious.

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It is the best I heard that you
have to like slurp it like like

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an, you know, an Asian
countries.

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Where you slurp your soup.
No, that's not.

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That's not a requirement if you
want it to ain't gonna judge you

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but it's not a requirement by
any means and most people would

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probably ask you not to.
So here in America, we have pie

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eating contest right where it be
tie people's hands behind their

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backs.
Do you guys do that with

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poutine?
No no it didn't.

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Peter bags like four horses or
like with oats and they strap

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them to their heads and they
just eat it all day long.

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I also her now.
No.

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No.
These are stereotypical rumors.

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All right, moving on.
Moving on to Jeff with no hat.

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Jeff know how are you doing?
Yes, I am Jeff with no hat

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today.
I shaved my head last night I

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also trimmed the beard down.
No it's like you're ever looking

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at a man.
Ending up but his head's on

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upside-down still pool.
And voluptuous is always but it

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is not quite as gangly as it was
getting.

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You want to make a good mermaid,
Jeff?

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Wow.
Yeah, you would.

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Yeah, you would strap a fish top
on him.

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He'll be fine.
I'm here man.

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I'm good.
Today was a good day worked like

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always, I finally hit 1000
Tick-Tock followers again.

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So give it Two days, and I'll
probably be banned again from

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another account, but it's been
fun.

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But I'm working.
They follow you Shadow ban

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underscore podcast and Shadow
underscore band, underscore

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podcast, try a mixture of those
words and you'll find something

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that's some Peter, it's there,
it's whatever it is.

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I won't be there for long.
I promise is a be the third

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account.
So like I said, I give it two or

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three days and I'll be done.
So, all right.

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Well, nobody cares about us,
what they care about is our

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guest.
So Let me go ahead and bring in

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our special guest today with a
nice little write-up that I did

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for him.
Just like I always do Today we

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have a different and special
episode for you.

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We start a new series that we
are calling the researcher

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Spotlight series.
And today, we welcome back an

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infinite Rabbit Hole.
Favorite mr.

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Denver Michaels.
Denver is an author blogger and

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researcher who has published 10
different books diving into, not

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only the world of the Paranormal
and Supernatural but also into

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the history tied to subjects and
locations involved.

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Denver has made two other
appearances on our Audio.

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Only episodes to talk about
particular books of his.

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But today we bring him on to do
something a little different

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today, we dive into the Half
that Denver took to become the

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author and investigator he is
today the stories behind some of

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his favorite experiences and his
personal beliefs.

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In these amazing topics, I am
proud to be able to welcome

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back.
A good friend of ours, Denver

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Michaels.
Welcome back to the infant

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Rebels, sir.
Hey man, it's good to be good to

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be back with you.
This is something I've been

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wanting to do for a long time.
Like I said, they're in the

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intro, I've had Denver on a
couple times where, you know,

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we're talking about a book that
He that he put out, which is

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always fun.
Everyone knows I love books, I

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read them and Denver's one of my
favorite authors.

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If not my absolute favorite, he
does amazing work tying in the

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Supernatural and history but
Denver I am extremely excited to

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be able to talk to you you know
as a researcher.

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Yeah yeah I mean it's always fun
to get on and you know not be

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tied to a particular book or
subject, you know?

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So Denver, we have a whole new
audience this time.

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Why don't you go ahead and give
everybody a little bit about you

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a little bit of background on
Denver Michaels, the researcher

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and author.
Well you know basically I'm just

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a guy that writes about
unexplained subjects.

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I'm interested in everything
from lake monsters Bigfoot.

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You know, any kind of Cryptid to
goes hauntings, that sort of

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thing, not real big into ufology
a little bit, but, you know, I

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kind of stay away from that.
It's ufology could.

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It kind of messy but but yeah,
I'm just kind of like into weird

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things and just just tend to
write about it.

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I'm also also travel full-time
and you know, I've got a series

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of books where I kind of marry
my my travels and you know into

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the Unexplained as well.
That is the detours in the

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Paranormal, right?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
I've got want to say yeah.

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Like five books in that series
and its kind of They're kind of

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like, how do I want to say like
part travel Memoir and part, you

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know, Cryptids and part and go
see, you know, just all kinds of

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weird things with, you know,
that I look into in various

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locations that I that I travel
to it's fun for me to write

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those books because, you know, I
really, really enjoy traveling

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and I really enjoy the
Unexplained.

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So it's real.
It's been a lot of fun to do

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those Well makes out for some
fantastic books.

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I love your books, I've had I
have more of them now.

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Hurry, and my collection will
grow.

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I promise you I wrote it down so
I can check it out to.

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You can find all of his books on
Amazon.

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I've actually got a got a new
one coming out and I'm going to

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get you.
I'm gonna get you a copy from

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the publisher.
You know, I'm doing another

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book.
You know, I did The Strange

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Tales From Virginia's mountains
and I've got to Got a new one

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coming out about, it'll be
called tentatively called

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Strange, Tales From Virginia's.
Foothills to the coast.

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So it'll cover like the whole
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eastern part of Virginia.
And it'll, it'll be a lot like

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the, you know, the other one
that I did, but it's got a lot

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of its own little quirky thing.
So I'm I'm looking forward to

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that one coming out.
Awesome.

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Is that going to cover Hampton
Roads to?

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That's where I'm at.
Yeah, it'll be a little bit from

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just just pretty much east of
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It'll pretty much beat this
weird stories.

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You know, kind of like the first
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deal with with Cryptids.
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miscellaneous, weird tales and
in this one it was It was kind

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of fun because in the in this
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actually included a Section on
just various buried, treasure

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Legends, throughout Virginia and
the fun.

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And the fun thing about buried
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It's one of those things like,
like, once you go down the

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rabbit hole of buried treasure,
I mean, it just like, goes into

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Cryptids and ghosts, and they
just all this kind of weird

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stuff.
So, I won't give too much away

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about it, but that's, that's
kind of the synopsis of The book

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is going to include.
Well, copy that Denver.

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I think that's a good segue into
the rest of the episode.

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What do you think guys?
Wonderful, I'm ready.

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Yeah, let's do this.
What you got Jake say things.

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Well I was going to ask I
haven't I'm writing down these

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book titles, I know Jeremy's,
you know the guy that reads all

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your stuff I have not and so I'm
writing them all down so I'm

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going to go through and I'm
gonna buy these but besides your

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books including just Tales from
that area and imagine legends

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from that area.
Do you do any of your own

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investigating and looking into
it and stuff?

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To see if there's any like
validity to these sorts of

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things or is just reporting on
the local Legends.

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Yeah, I do.
Yeah.

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I mean I absolutely you know and
I don't really call myself a

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Bigfoot investigator or you
know, Paranormal Investigator

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but you know, I do investigate
things.

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I mean, you know, before I
started traveling one of the big

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things I was into in Virginia.
And this isn't as sexy as

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Bigfoot or dog, man.
Right.

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But I mean, there's just always
been Tales of, you know, a

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mountain lions, cougars in
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I can remember them, you know,
my grandfather telling me about,

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you know, not only mountain
lions and cougars down in

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Southwestern, Virginia, where
I'm originally from and you know

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where my family's from but also,
like black panther sightings,

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that sort of thing.
So, one of the big things I was

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into, you know, before I started
traveling full time and still

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lived in, Virginia was You know,
trying to, you know, Tain,

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whatever evidence I could, you
know that there were cougars and

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in Virginia.
And, you know, of course, I've,

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you know, investigated Bigfoot
sightings, you know, a lot of

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them, a lot of the places, you
know, known for lake monsters

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or, you know, aquatic Cryptid.
I feel like there's some level

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of I do experience you have to
have before you call yourself a

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researcher, right?
And it's just like it seems like

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it's difficult to be put in a
place of just saying, like I'm

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just interested in a topic,
right?

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And I just like to look around
and poke around and flip over

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logs and look for Footprints and
stuff like that, right?

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Like, like, I am not a
researcher.

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I think that Bigfoot is probably
real because I saw a big old

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gnarly footprint, one time and
heard some gnarly screams out in

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the woods.
So I'll just like all right

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well, you know after After
Jeremy tell me about his

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experience and stuff like I
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who's interested in finding
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researcher because I'd imagine
there's some level of like, you

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know, you gotta.
I don't know interview, people

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are, you know, constantly be out
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something like that.
So yeah, hearing Denver kind of

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throw it out there and just say
yeah I'm not really a

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researcher.
I just am interested in the sort

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of thing and, you know, it's
just like all right.

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Yeah, well yeah, I mean that,
yeah I don't I think well Ye let

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me add on to that though.
I think a lot of people take

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themselves way too seriously
with this stuff.

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Like people really set the all,
you know, like what is a

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cryptozoologist, right?
You can't get a degree for this

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stuff.
I mean, what our credentials,

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what is a researcher?
What is an investigator?

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And, you know, a lot of people
try to set themselves up as, you

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know, I I'm an expert because
I've been doing this for 30

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years.
Well yeah, you've been doing

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this for 30 years but you still
haven't really found anything.

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If we're being honest, right?
I know you might have it, you

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might have a good cast, right?
That makes me kind of wonder.

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But nobody's really figured
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So I'm a big believer in.
There are no experts in any of

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this stuff and so you know
that's that's just kind of I

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think people take themselves way
way way way too seriously and

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this stuff sometimes, you know,
like, you know, like a lot of

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your hair paranormal
investigators.

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Well, We still don't really know
what a ghost is now.

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Do we?
All right, that's true.

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No, you're right.
You're right there.

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I mean, plenty of people have
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could possibly be.
But like the cryptozoologists

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that's been doing it, you know,
cryptozoologist that's been

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doing it for 30 years home you
know, call themselves an expert.

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I mean I think an expert might
have figured it out.

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Well you can also call yourself
if you've been doing it for 30

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years Abject failure, right?
Because you've not really

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figured anything out.
I mean, people just need to

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come.
People just need to come down

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with some of these titles and
labels and what's what's an

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investigator?
What's a research?

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Yeah.
I don't really know what any of

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it is.
I'm and that's why I say I'm

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just a guy that likes to write
about weird stuff.

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Love it.
Well if it's all the same to you

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guys, if You know, their
cryptozoological expert is

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someone who has yet to find the
thing that they're searching,

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after then, all of us are
experts.

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So, I mean, I'm down with it
wearing a little little badge

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that says expert should make
your shirt.

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That has that they're nice true.
He's running it down.

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Yeah, well I didn't say that
insult.

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Anybody out there, he's right, I
guess I just want everybody to

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calm down some salted Denver.
I'm offended.

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Well, you know, some of your
some, somebody writes a, you

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know, people on like Twitter and
YouTube can be pretty, they can

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be a lot to deal with.
Yeah, no, we get it, we get it.

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All right, so you should idea,
I'm an expert cryptozoologists

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and then with a hyphen, haven't
found anything yet.

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You do it for cryptozoologist.
I don't know what investigator

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and you all all.
All all right, all right

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Denver's, let's get into some of
these tough questions.

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So how did you get into the
world of the unknown?

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Give us the background on how to
Denver become Denver.

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Well, I guess this is kind of
one of those weird things and a

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lot of people kind of find it,
hard to believe that.

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You know, I didn't I didn't have
a Bigfoot sighting when I was,

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you know, at Boy Scout camp or I
didn't, I didn't see a UFO.

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When I was 10, I didn't grow up
in a haunted house, you know?

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I didn't know, I did not have,
you know, that experience that,

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you know, led me in this
direction and that a lot of

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people do and, you know, a lot
of people really think it's kind

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of weird that I would, you know,
go in the direction that I am

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Not, you know, not not having
that life-changing experience

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where I'm kind of spending my
adult years of you know, trying

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to figure out what was behind
it.

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But I you know, I really can't
point to any one thing.

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I'll say that as a kid you know
y'all are y'all are younger than

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me but you know like watching an
episode of Super Friends you

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know back in 1979, you know,
like the universe of Evil

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episode.
There was like a parallel

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universe that you know, where
there's like a bad Superman and

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a good Superman and it was like
an evil Wonder Woman and an aqua

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man with an eye patch and all do
it.

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Just got me like really, you
know, I'm like 6 years old like

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really wondering if there are
parallel universes and, you

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know, I don't know.
You know, obviously being that

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young I couldn't really, you
know hash any of that out at

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that age but it was really like
something that stuck with me.

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There was a like another TV show
when I was a kid.

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I think it only lasted like a
season or two is called

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voyagers.
It was like about time travel

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and that really kind of stuck
with me.

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I remember in middle school, you
know, I'm checking out books on

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ESP, astral projection just see
just see weird books.

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My dad.
The kind of rolled his eyes, see

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me?
Read moment of, you know, but I

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was, you know, I was reading
about ESP and, you know, I'd lay

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out lay out like spoons and, you
know, like try to focus on them

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and like, bend them with my
mind, like, like, I was reading

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about and, you know, I don't
know, I guess it's just, I just

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always been open-minded.
I've always believed that, you

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know, we just really Really
don't know everything there is

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to know about the world that we
live in.

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Well you know, we don't we don't
know about the untapped powers

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and our minds and I just, I
don't know, I guess I can't

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really explain, I guess I'm just
kind of wired that way.

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Or I'm wired that way.
It's a good thing.

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Yeah, right.
Yeah.

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I think so.
I think so.

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Jefra Jeff sighs perked up.
When you talk about astral

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projection and astral projection
and espm and that's something

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that I actually have done a lot
of reading on.

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It's super interesting stuff.
So yeah, so warm, I saw hair pop

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up on his head.
Yeah yeah, I really wish I

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really was for a long time, you
know, like in middle school and

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stuff.
I was really into that.

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And you know, I really wanted
you do as read until like trying

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to figure out how I could.
Do it was like trying to do it

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but I never could get it to
quite work out.

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But like in my adult life, you
know, I have lucid dreams, you

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know, not like really trying to,
but, you know, like, I have had

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had the lucid dreams several
times.

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And, you know, that's kind of
wild.

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Gosh, I wish that I could lucid
dream.

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I think, if I could lose a
dream, I think my life would be

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over.
Better.

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I can't.
Well, you just got to learn how

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to do it.
Really?

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Yeah, pants we learn.
No, I didn't really like, I

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don't really know how to do it
but like there have been I'm

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thinking off the top of my head
like three instances and I think

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the last time it's probably like
four or five years ago but like

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I'm dreaming and then like
something like clicks in my head

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and I realized Dream.
Yeah, and then I like took

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control of my green.
Of course, it was some bizarre

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dream, you know, like whatever
I'm like lying around on a

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dragon or something.
You know because like I like

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took control of my dream just
like start doing what I wanted

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to.
So I guess I wanted to act like

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I was in Neverending Story
childhood movies or something.

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But yeah, it's like yeah it's
just like really, it's like

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really weird.
But I've never really been able

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to figure out how to do it, like
when I want to do, I'll just say

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that.
Well, Jason do it.

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Don't you really good book?
I would recommend here from

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Russell targ, the reality of
ESP.

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It's a physicist proof of
psychic abilities.

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Good book.
Oh cool.

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I guess I just wrote that down.
Check that out.

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Then we're going to have to have
you on for another episode

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because Jeremy wants me to do an
episode on lucid dreaming

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because I do mostly lucid
dreaming.

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A very rarely have dreams where
I don't.

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Realize that I'm dreaming and
that's awesome.

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It's not like It's like the
parameters are usually set

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already but I can still realize
that I'm dreaming and I can't

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roll control some things or like
realize that I'm having a

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nightmare in this isn't real.
It's like, you know, I don't see

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the dog that's turning into a
couch and just being like, well,

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this is reality, you know?
Like, you know, people dream.

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Right.
And just like the you wake up

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was like man, that was crazy.
I see that in my dream and then

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I'm just like, this is fake and
I just like just snap.

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Out of it and it used to be.
My trigger was my trigger used

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to be when I was a smoker was my
white Bic lighter.

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I always carried a white Bic
lighter because people have this

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like Superstition that wife,
white Bic, lighters are bad

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luck.
So I had a white Bic because I

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don't believe in luck and no one
would steal it.

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And when you're in the military
like hens and lighters just go

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missing, right?
So I would always have it in my

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right pocket and like that was
my my trigger was to know.

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It was.
Did I snap out of it was that I

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would feel in my right pocket.
And if I didn't have that bik, I

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knew I was dreaming because I
always carried around military

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people and our uniforms and
stuff we always carry around our

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lighters because if we get
little fuzzies and stuff on our

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cuffs and everything, we burn
them off with a lighters.

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So I'd always have it in my
uniform and then I'd always have

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it in my civilian clothes
because I was a smoker right

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side.
Light up a cigarette when

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walking around, whatever doing
whatever, right?

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So that was my, my trigger was
to reach in my pocket realize I

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don't have my Here and then I
would snap out of it and then it

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just became so common.
That I was just like, I didn't

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need that anymore to realize
that this is absolutely a dream.

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This is not reality when or when
I own it, right?

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So Jeremy wants me to do an
episode on lucid dreaming and

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we're definitely going to have
to have you back on just like so

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you can share a couple of these
experiences and stuff because

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it's like yeah I mean at first
it's not like a trained how to

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do it I just could do it right?
And then and yeah took me rise a

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little bit to Realize what was
going on and stuff and then it's

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like, oh this is interesting.
And then I found out that this

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is a common or not super common
but people can do this as well.

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It's like that one medical thing
that you have or you're just

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like there's no way anyone else
is dealing with the exact same

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thing as me like my earlobe,
grew three sizes overnight and

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then you find out that like ten
percent of the world has like

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this earlobe problem in, you're
like, ah, thank goodness.

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I'm not crazy, right?
So it just like same sort of a

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thing.
I'm just like, oh sweet.

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I'm not the only one.
So, Not, you know, dealing with

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mental health issues.
Fantastic, you know?

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But yeah.
So very cool.

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Yeah.
Right on.

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Hmm.
What about you kid or child?

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Or just doesn't have quite the
same ring to it.

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You're right.
We're going back.

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Rather be kid.
Oh no, I got nothing so far.

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All right, well, Enjoying the
conversation thus far, so

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Denver.
Can you tell us a little bit

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00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:49,900
about any personal experiences
but the supernatural you may

446
00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:51,800
have had in your life.
Have you had anything?

447
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,800
Well, you know, God, I think I
shared it with you.

448
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,100
Like, you know, where I saw
that.

449
00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:07,600
I'm guessing it was a ghost just
freaking walking right out in

450
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,800
front of my truck like it 3:30
in the morning.

451
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:14,800
You did tell me about that
remember yeah, remember that.

452
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,900
Yeah and I yeah I'm actually
like you know including that

453
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:26,600
story and know it in a book but
yeah so like one thing I

454
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:33,000
remember was And when was this,
this was, this would have been

455
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:39,100
early, 2000's, I guess.
And, you know, I'm, I used to

456
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:42,700
work like really weird hours
and, you know, I work night

457
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:46,000
shift a lot and even when I went
on night shift, you know, I was

458
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,300
always, you know, up at 2:30
3:00 in the morning driving into

459
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:53,200
were commuting long distances,
blah, blah blah.

460
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:57,700
But, you know, you just see some
like weird stuff when you, when

461
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:02,100
you're out on the The road
sometimes and like this this one

462
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,400
is one morning and it's right
around 3:30 3:45 I guess you

463
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:15,800
know I'm just driving along and
like this dude just and and he

464
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:22,000
was like just like but like you
just like materialize like right

465
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,200
in front of my truck, you know?
And and this is like out in the

466
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,100
middle of nowhere like on It's a
main road in Virginia but

467
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:33,400
there's no like development or
anything there there's like no

468
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:39,200
houses or anything and then he
just like he kind of like I

469
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,400
remember he's like kind of like
ducks is kind of like had his

470
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,700
head down like this and he just
like walking diagonally, you

471
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:52,200
know, like across the road and
I'm like, I slam on my brakes

472
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,200
and I like I don't even know how
I didn't hit him.

473
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,800
Right.
And I mean he's like, Like, like

474
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,200
when I go past him, he's like,
you know, just inches like from

475
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,100
from, from my truck and, you
know, I'm kind of like

476
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,700
fishtailing and, you know, in a
skid and all that and, and like,

477
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:18,500
I'm looking through my mirrors
and like, he's just gone.

478
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:22,800
I mean, like gone and there's
like, nowhere.

479
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,100
He could be know where he came
from or was going, you know,

480
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,400
there's just No way it was
anything other than just like,

481
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,800
you know, just like an
apparition or something.

482
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,100
It's just kind of really freaked
me out.

483
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:40,000
And I mean, I remembering clears
day.

484
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,200
You know, he was probably about
61-62 had, like, had a mullet,

485
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,700
you know, like sandy-colored
hair, you know, looked like he

486
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:55,400
was like, straight out in 1992,
you know, he had, he had like a

487
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,200
bug.
Gray Pocket, tee shirt and like,

488
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:03,800
Like faded blue jeans and his
again, I'm dating myself I'm

489
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,600
kind of old.
Y'all wouldn't really remember

490
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,600
this?
But didn't the 90s you know,

491
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,700
people used to roll their short
sleeves up.

492
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,600
Ya know like you know.
But yeah, that's something

493
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,800
people did you know, back in the
night haven't and it looked like

494
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,100
it, you know, pack it up pack of
cigarettes and is, you know,

495
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:25,600
t-shirt block.
I mean, I remember him just like

496
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:30,100
just like, just like yesterday.
You know, and it was just a just

497
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:35,200
like a weird that that was like,
one of the, like the earliest

498
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,300
things.
I, you know, I can really

499
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:41,300
remember.
I mean, you know, I think I had,

500
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:45,300
you know, since some few weird
things happen as a kid.

501
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:49,100
I don't really, you know, you
never really know if you can

502
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:52,800
like Trust of those things or
not, you know, when you're a kid

503
00:30:52,800 --> 00:31:00,000
but you know I mean like out out
on the road here like I think

504
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:07,600
like I feel like the wife and I
probably had a sighting of the

505
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:13,500
flat Flathead Lake Monster, but
I mean, you know, I mean, I

506
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:17,100
wouldn't like bet my house on it
or anything, you know.

507
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:22,400
It's like we, you know, we saw
this multi hump looking thing

508
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,800
out in Flathead Lake when we
were there back in 2021 and like

509
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,200
all of a In it like it's kind of
like sank down, you know, I mean

510
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,900
wouldn't wouldn't like a wake or
anything, you know just I think

511
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:40,100
it was the I think it was the
monster but I don't know.

512
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:43,500
I mean I sent you know maybe I'm
just maybe I'm just seeing

513
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:47,400
things but she saw it too and
she don't care about none of

514
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,000
this stuff.
You know what I mean?

515
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,500
It's like I'm the I'm the only
weirdo that cares about this

516
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:55,800
stuff.
She couldn't care less but she

517
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,200
couldn't because she told me
like we're driving along.

518
00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:01,900
Ang and she's like, are you
seeing that?

519
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,900
I'm like, yeah, but I didn't
want to say nothing, you know,

520
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,300
who knows?
Maybe it was something.

521
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:11,500
Maybe who knows?
I know how it feels mines.

522
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:14,500
The same way.
My wife is just like I don't

523
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:17,900
care, but she supports him
listen to show.

524
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:20,900
So thank you all that, love you.
That's you know, that's how

525
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:24,600
that's how my old lady is and
and and I guess that's good if

526
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,400
we were both a couple cooped,
you know, it wouldn't be good

527
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,100
for either one of us.
Right to be fun.

528
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,400
So good just I was going to say
I got like a weird thing.

529
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,500
I think I've talked about this
before on the show, but you

530
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,700
know, I believe a lot of crazy
stuff.

531
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:46,000
Everybody listening knows.
Yeah.

532
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,700
Right.
I'm getting more into the

533
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:51,700
Cryptids just because of you
guys, right?

534
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:56,300
I'm starting to believe more of
that than I did a year ago.

535
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,900
But when it comes to ghosts, I'm
still maybe it's just a mental

536
00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:04,900
block for me, but I just have,
like, I don't get, I don't buy

537
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:06,600
it.
I'm not saying like, you know,

538
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,400
your experience, for instance
isn't true or whatever.

539
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,200
I just like, for me personally,
I just saw the biggest question.

540
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,700
I have is why is it always at
night?

541
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,600
Why don't you ever see a ghost
walking around 2:00 in the

542
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,200
afternoon in somewhere like a
freaking Walmart, right?

543
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,900
Where there's plenty of people
people do actually but do they I

544
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:29,000
mean, maybe I'm just You know, I
don't dig into the Paranormal,

545
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000
so maybe that's why I don't have
never heard of these stories,

546
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,100
but it seems to me that it's not
something that just happens at

547
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:38,500
Disney not do.
Well, I mean, buying I mean, by

548
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:41,800
enlarge your right, and but I
think a lot of that were people

549
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,400
are looking for stuff at night.
I think that's more and like,

550
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,200
like everybody goes Bigfoot
hunting at night, right?

551
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,800
Like like like why?
I mean but you can't freaking

552
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,700
see at night and really see
anything.

553
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,000
Think you got you got to get
these flashlights and stuff out

554
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,400
that she's gonna learn anything.
It's going to alert anything

555
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,000
from, you know, hundreds and
hundreds of yards away.

556
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,699
But I think so.
I think a lot of that the the

557
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:18,699
night investigations or the
nighttime Bigfoot, hunts.

558
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:21,900
I think a lot of that's just
been popularized by these TV

559
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:24,699
shows which did it, you know,
because of the you know, the

560
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:29,199
scare Factor, right?
It's a little more spooky but

561
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:33,199
you know I can tell you that
people do have their daytime

562
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,100
ghost, you know, Ghost
Encounters and things.

563
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:41,800
Uh, you know, my my
sister-in-law like had an

564
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:48,100
encounter like actually like
where a lady walked up to her,

565
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:53,600
like handed her, I don't
remember the whole story I'm,

566
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,900
you know, because it's been many
many years since I sent As I

567
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:59,800
heard it, but handed her, like I
want to say like it was like a

568
00:34:59,808 --> 00:35:05,900
necklace or like a pendant or
something and you know, she

569
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:07,500
said.
So I don't remember what she

570
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:10,900
said to her, but it was actually
like like in a hospital and then

571
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:13,900
you know, she turned around and
the lady just letting you know,

572
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:17,900
vanished and you know you.
So you know, those those things,

573
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:22,900
you know, people do have those
Encounters in the daytime.

574
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:26,600
So I mean, I'm not saying you're
not right to be skeptical.

575
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,400
To go sore or paranormal, or
what have you, you know, that,

576
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,600
that that school?
There's, there's plenty of holes

577
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,600
in it, but people do have
daytime experiences.

578
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:39,200
Fair enough.
Yeah.

579
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,000
Maybe I just haven't seen it
because I don't think into the

580
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,200
topic very much.
Yeah.

581
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,700
I mean, and, and like I said,
there's there's plenty of holes

582
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:49,900
and ghost.
So you're not wrong due to be

583
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:53,900
skeptical of certain things.
Well, let's be honest, there's

584
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:55,600
plenty of holes in a lot of this
stuff.

585
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,100
Wow, all these extra stuff.
I bring up, bro.

586
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:03,100
Everything I bring up is 100%
100% solid space take for sure.

587
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:14,400
What's this?
Go ahead Jake.

588
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:19,400
Well I was going to say that all
of my experiences with that sort

589
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,300
of stuff has been at night, but
in very well lit areas.

590
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:27,600
So like not see-through
apparitions, but like I could

591
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,000
see them and then they were here
anymore.

592
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:33,500
And that one even I'm even still
in the same boat as Jeff and I'm

593
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:38,900
like, either it's demonic or is
my mind playing tricks on me and

594
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,800
you know, I've had some pretty
would be very convincing

595
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,300
circumstances like when I was
over at that barracks and

596
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:51,300
Oceania as the BPO doing the
midnight. 208.

597
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:57,700
Watch and And that one Barracks.
The 431 used to be like a small

598
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:00,300
Hospital Wing like right when
you walked in there, the main

599
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:02,900
lobby definitely looked like the
waiting area had the rooms of

600
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:05,300
the back for all the files and
stuff and then it was three

601
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:08,400
floors and the third floor was
like, the psych ward of this

602
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,100
building when it was first made.
And I had somebody wearing when

603
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:15,600
I was wearing the, the Old Navy
uniform, the blueberries, I had

604
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,400
somebody walk up and dungarees
and I'm looking at my computer,

605
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,600
I'm, you know, doing something
during this.

606
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,500
You know, middle of the night
watch, and this guy walks up to

607
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:30,800
the desk and looks over at me
and gets right in my face, in my

608
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,100
peripheral and I look up at him
and he's not there.

609
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:37,500
And I'm like, holy crap.
You know, I'm like, oh my gosh,

610
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,200
right?
I could see the blue collared,

611
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:42,000
you know, long sleeve shirt and
everything.

612
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,100
I see his rank on shoulder, you
just land over at me and then,

613
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:46,100
you know, he wasn't there
anymore.

614
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:49,200
And then when I was over in
Pensacola, there was a little

615
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,100
girl that was running around the
for that was on.

616
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:57,300
And she had left this curly
blonde hair and like it, like a

617
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:01,000
nightgown, like a ruffled, you
know, shouldered nightgown.

618
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:04,800
And she goes, running down the
hallway, and hangs a left.

619
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,700
And so I chase after her because
family members and stuff aren't

620
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:10,100
supposed to be up in the
barracks.

621
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:13,500
You know, in the bedroom levels
of the barracks they're supposed

622
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:16,600
to be downstairs and so I go
chasing after hang a left and

623
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,900
she's not there.
So I go down to the desk and I

624
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:21,100
let them know and I say hey
there's a little girl that's

625
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:24,200
running around up there.
I didn't see any Parents with

626
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,500
her.
Anything and there are like, was

627
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:29,200
she wearing like a, like, a
nightgown?

628
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,700
Like a white nightgown with,
like, curly blonde hair?

629
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:33,800
And I was just like, I was like,
okay, yeah, you've seen her and

630
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:34,400
she's there.
I know.

631
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,400
So, I mean, she's dead.
The two gets a ghost.

632
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,000
That's been in this Barracks for
a really long time and I was

633
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,700
like, but yes, people see her
all the time.

634
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:49,100
That is absolutely a ghost and I
actually did my own fair share

635
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:54,400
digging and found a whether it
was related or not but a A death

636
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:58,500
on Pensacola's base from a
really long time ago, with the

637
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:04,400
exact same description for the
child that passed away, right?

638
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,800
And so, all those things I'm
like, I'm like, if I believed in

639
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,400
the Paranormal, the way people,
people do saying like ghosts and

640
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,300
all that sort of stuff like that
would be hard core evidence for

641
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:17,700
me in the same way, Jeremy's
Bigfoot story was of being like

642
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:21,400
ghosts are real, but I'm a
Christian and I don't believe in

643
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,900
ghosts.
I believe that there's only two

644
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,800
places.
You're so Could go and but I

645
00:39:25,808 --> 00:39:30,100
believe in angels and demons so
that's where I'm at with it.

646
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:33,500
And then when it comes to like
actual ghosts it just doesn't

647
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:36,000
make any sense to me.
It's like what possible

648
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,600
unfinished business, could you
have lingering around being

649
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,100
like, I never was able to drink
that coke.

650
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,800
Got hit by a bus before I was
able to drink it and I pour it

651
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,600
around machines.
Every time someone gets a Coke I

652
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,400
have here and I hunt them until
they finish it.

653
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:55,600
Tapering every He last drop of
that delicious.

654
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,300
Sweet beverage like it.
Just like it doesn't make any

655
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:00,500
sense to me, and I'm just like,
all right, we have breakfast

656
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:02,400
here.
Yeah, right.

657
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,200
Better, enjoy it.
Enjoy their last drink.

658
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,800
You might never be able to
finish it, but it just like, you

659
00:40:08,808 --> 00:40:12,700
know.
So yeah, nighttime stories, but

660
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,900
very well lit areas.
Like, you know, lit up like a

661
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:18,000
hospital room.
Right.

662
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,100
It's just like so it's very
interesting.

663
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:24,300
But yeah.
I mean every time I Really hear

664
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:28,000
about ghosts and stuff, it's
always some like, you know,

665
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:33,600
medieval story or some sort of
like you know during the colony

666
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,000
oh and during the 1700s, some
woman hung herself, it's like,

667
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,600
all right.
Well, where's the Hipster that,

668
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:41,700
you know, ran to go pick up a
penny in the street and got ran

669
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:44,400
over something like that and now
he haunts the vape stores, you

670
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,500
know, like with like let's be
real 150,000 people plus die

671
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,100
every single day worldwide.
That's a heck of a lot of ghosts

672
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,700
We'd be slamming into them at
the beach.

673
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:58,600
You know it's just like couldn't
even find a place to sit down

674
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,100
because you'd be standing in a
ghost.

675
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,600
Sorry.
I mean there's there's still are

676
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:09,000
the, you know, there still are
the more modern stories, you

677
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,600
know.
A lot of times they don't have

678
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,900
the same back stories like
those.

679
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:18,200
It was cool medieval and
colonial times and stuff like

680
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,900
that, you know?
But I've heard of I've heard of

681
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:26,500
this You know, like a guy in a
hoodie that haunts a junta

682
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:30,400
warehouse but nobody could
really, you know, figure out

683
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,300
like why you know, I mean, you
know, do you do here?

684
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:37,900
Well, what I'm getting at.
You do here like, you know,

685
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:41,500
modern things.
But yeah, I mean, you know, his

686
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:46,200
criticism of nighttime in your
criticism of the, you know, the

687
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,800
historic ghost Tails.
I mean, yeah, it's definitely

688
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,800
Merit to both of those things,
but yeah, There.

689
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:56,100
There are some more modern kind
of stuff, you know.

690
00:41:57,300 --> 00:42:01,900
Like, your explanation of it of
the ghost hunting shows.

691
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:05,200
Probably made a lot of stuff
popular, because they seem to

692
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,500
focus on all of that, like, oh,
this used to be a plantation.

693
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,400
You can hear the, you know, the
moaning from the basement and

694
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,400
just like, you know, I mean, who
wants to go to a subdivision

695
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:22,500
that was built in the, you know,
1994 and, you know, some Six

696
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,100
year old guy died of a heart
attack.

697
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:28,400
I mean, who cares?
So I actually went to a school

698
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:34,900
that was rumored to be haunted
and everybody in the school was

699
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:41,600
We were all under the impression
that the school was a former War

700
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,800
hospital for World War Two.
I actually did a little bit of a

701
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,500
dive into the history of this
school.

702
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:52,500
It was built in 1911 but never
once was in a war hospital.

703
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:56,700
So the whole room, it was
literally just a rumor of it

704
00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:01,100
being haunted and that's what
that reminded me of there was

705
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:04,500
was the whole school.
Everybody thought teachers had

706
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:09,000
stories about ho this, how it
was a three-story school so

707
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,300
they're like, oh the libraries
on the very top floor and we

708
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:15,200
were trying to do midterm tests
and all of a sudden, it sounds

709
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,100
There was a stampede of
elephants going on in the

710
00:43:18,107 --> 00:43:22,600
library but there wasn't a soul
up there and whoa the school's

711
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,000
haunted know they were doing a
test nothing ever happened.

712
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,600
Like I'm not saying the land
itself wasn't haunted.

713
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,700
I don't know the history of the
land but it's always so funny

714
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:40,200
listening to these these stories
that everyone's like oh this

715
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,200
happened at and nothing ever
happened.

716
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,000
So it's just like you're you're
all just Just creating things

717
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,400
and your head.
Yeah, you're over there.

718
00:43:50,400 --> 00:44:03,200
Ruining the same time.
Spent the winter in Florida.

719
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:08,900
I just left in April and I'm up
here in the Northeast where it's

720
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:12,300
freaking cold right now.
Unfortunately you're one of

721
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:13,400
those Denver.
Okay.

722
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,500
One of the snowbirds come down
here Well, you know, you got to

723
00:44:16,508 --> 00:44:20,700
be if you if you if you live in
an RV, you don't want to be you

724
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:22,800
don't want to be where it gets
too, too cold.

725
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:25,300
These things aren't insulated
all that.

726
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:28,200
Well, I get it.
I lived in an RV for over a

727
00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:30,000
year, but the reason I asked him
to come down to Florida.

728
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,200
You ever go to Cassadaga?
Cassadaga, no, I have not been

729
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,000
there.
It's the most haunted town.

730
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,400
I guess we're cities the most
haunted town in Florida.

731
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:43,400
Apparently it was this whole
town that was built on top of

732
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,400
like old Indian burial grounds
All these things and it's like

733
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,600
the psychic medium capital of
the world.

734
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,100
Where is it?
Like, where is it at like

735
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:57,300
geographically?
I it is east of Orlando.

736
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,500
Probably like right in between
Orlando and one of the beaches

737
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:03,500
Daytona somewhere.
It's okay.

738
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,100
Okay.
I got ya.

739
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:09,000
That's one of the parts of
Florida that I didn't actually

740
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,000
get up to because we we were
actually going to go up that

741
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,100
way, but we got kind of stuck
in.

742
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,800
Central Florida for longer than
well, listen, next year, when

743
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,600
it's cold and you come down here
to cause more traffic for me to

744
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,100
be up there, we'll go to
Cassadaga and check it out.

745
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:28,500
Yeah, man.
Say yes, but I mean, there's a,

746
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:31,700
there's a lot of cool places in
Florida, by the day, I spent a

747
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:36,700
lot of time did, did a bunch of
little outings in the, like, in

748
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:39,400
the green swamp in that area
there?

749
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:45,000
And, you know, spend a lot of
time actually in there and I

750
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,300
thought, Thought I might have
saw something but kind of like

751
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:54,000
my my lake monster thing and I
don't know, maybe I did, maybe I

752
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,100
didn't a lot of big Gators that
look like Monsters and there's

753
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:59,100
also a lot of swamp gas going on
right now.

754
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,400
Yeah.
Swamp gas yes.

755
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,600
All right next question Denver
you ready?

756
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,200
Yeah go.
What's your favorite place?

757
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:17,900
You've been to investigate?
Okay, so my favorite place that

758
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:24,700
I've been to, and we're just
talking like Just like

759
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:30,700
investigating type stuff.
So there's I I don't know if you

760
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:36,400
all are familiar with this but
are you familiar in Utah?

761
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,600
There's this Petroglyph.
It looks like a long-necked

762
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,500
dinosaur or any all familiar
with that.

763
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:44,800
I am Familiar of it because of
you.

764
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:48,500
Okay.
Well anyway, that's my answer

765
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,600
but you know, I don't know if
anybody or if anybody list and

766
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,500
really really knows about it.
But So I just give a quick break

767
00:46:57,500 --> 00:47:03,700
down here so anyway in Utah at
the Natural Bridges National

768
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:08,900
Monument and it's like that.
Monument is like rock not really

769
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:12,200
near anything.
It's like an hour away from like

770
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,800
the nearest little bitty town,
you know.

771
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,600
It's just like in the middle of
Southern Utah.

772
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:22,100
But anyway they got all these
like like all these arches is

773
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:25,300
they call them Bridges but
they're like he's massive.

774
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,400
Arches.
And at at the base of one of

775
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,000
those bridges called Cucina
bridge.

776
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,000
I mean it's just covered with
petroglyphs and petroglyphs is

777
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,900
like one of my favorite things
to look into.

778
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:42,800
I just can't get enough although
my I love them.

779
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,200
No matter where I'm at.
I try to try to see him but

780
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,700
anyway, it's called Cucina
Bridge because it's got these

781
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:50,800
just see some of these
weird-looking.

782
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,300
They just call them Cucina
figures but you don't really

783
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:57,000
know what they are or what they,
I mean some people think they

784
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,400
look extraterrestrial or this or
that, or ghosts, or whatever.

785
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:07,100
But anyway at the base, like
right near one of those Kachina

786
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:13,600
looking figures and there's this
Petroglyph and ain't nobody.

787
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,300
Anybody can say anything they
want.

788
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:21,400
I read scientific papers on it,
I do not give a crap.

789
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,800
Ain't nobody ever going to tell
me?

790
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,600
It's not a long-necked dinosaur.
Yes.

791
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,700
Or you know carved into that
wall I don't care what anybody

792
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:34,300
says you could I don't care it.
That's what it is.

793
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:39,600
And you know I like in the early
days of the internet like like

794
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:43,500
you know back in back in the
late 90s is like like where I

795
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:48,300
first became aware of it, you
know, because I I've always been

796
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:52,300
into all this weird stuff and so
like ever since and you know, I

797
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:55,300
just like oh man you know, I
want to see this one.

798
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,300
See this.
So, you know, like when we got

799
00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:02,300
out to Utah, this this one place
we were staying and Monument

800
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:03,700
Valley.
I realized, you know, we're

801
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:08,100
about an hour and a half from
there and so I drove all the way

802
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:12,500
up there.
To see it and, you know, like

803
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,900
it's a pretty rigorous hike down
and down in back to it.

804
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:22,300
You know, I hike down there and
I spent two hours looking for

805
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:24,300
it.
I could not find it.

806
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:29,300
And so like I left, you know,
went home.

807
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:32,500
You know, try to figure out
exactly where it was again, went

808
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:35,900
back the next day, the next day.
I, yeah, I found it long story

809
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:39,600
short, but I'm telling you it
looks exactly like a long

810
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:44,000
Dinosaur Anderson another figure
like near it.

811
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,000
The kind of looks like a
dinosaur and then off away from

812
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,800
it.
There's two others that may or

813
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,700
may not look like dinosaurs
depending on how bad you want to

814
00:49:55,700 --> 00:50:00,000
believe it.
But anyway, because I had wanted

815
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,400
to see that for so long and
because it's like such a bizarre

816
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,300
thing, right?
That I mean if there's a

817
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:10,500
long-necked dinosaur carved and
In Utah.

818
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:15,600
I mean that kind of turns what
we know about things on its

819
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,600
head.
So that was my absolute favorite

820
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,200
thing that I've seen so far.
Yeah, it's a pretty sweet story

821
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,000
if you ask me.
Yeah I'm looking at it right

822
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,100
now.
I'm sure you've already done all

823
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:33,400
the research on.
Oh yeah.

824
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,200
Look I can and I've read a
scientific paper.

825
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,200
Telling me how it's a mud stain
and blue blob.

826
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:43,000
No, it's a freaking long-necked
dinosaur.

827
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,700
I will you can burn me at the
stake and I'm still going to

828
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:49,400
scream that that's a long-necked
dinosaur.

829
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,300
I don't care.
I'm I'm that Doug.

830
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,200
Again and invested.
What is the thought that is a

831
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,300
long-necked, dinosaur?
Because you're programmed to

832
00:50:57,300 --> 00:50:59,600
think that, that's what a
long-necked dinosaur looks like.

833
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:08,500
Well, it may be and you know me,
hey maybe but you know, then

834
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,500
whatever it is it's it's not
something that should have been

835
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:17,200
walking around in Utah.
I found some years ago.

836
00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:21,000
Okay.
So I did a whole I did a whole

837
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,900
episode on the show about
dinosaurs being a hoax.

838
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:29,900
So I'm kind of biased to this
particular thing but it does.

839
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:32,700
I mean, I'm not gonna lie, it it
does look like a long-necked

840
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:38,400
dinosaur well and and you have
other and that's not the only

841
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:44,100
Petroglyph, you know, in the
southwest that that that depicts

842
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,300
what I think looks like a
dinosaur on.

843
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,500
I saw another one that's that's
You know, not, not popular known

844
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:54,900
but to me it looked like it near
to Knob Utah.

845
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:00,700
Obviously, like I said, it's not
popular.

846
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:03,100
I've got pictures of it.
I could I could share with

847
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:08,700
anybody that wants to see it but
you know there and like I said,

848
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:13,100
there's a couple others and on
Cucina bridge that that some

849
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:18,000
people think depict a dinosaur
and you know and then you know

850
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,800
you've got Got.
If you know you've got like an

851
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:30,100
South America, people that claim
to see dinosaurs today even and

852
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:35,400
you know and in the Amazon so I
don't know I just I think it's a

853
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,600
dinosaur.
Whatever is interesting, it is

854
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,700
interesting.
It's something I'm going to

855
00:52:39,707 --> 00:52:43,500
definitely do a little bit of a
deep dive into because it is you

856
00:52:43,508 --> 00:52:47,500
know again doing the whole
dinosaur hoax presentation and

857
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:50,300
personally not believing the
dinosaurs ever existed.

858
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,700
Like, when I see stuff like
this, or like, the the eggs that

859
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:58,200
somebody brought up to us on
that show, it makes me want to

860
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,000
look into it more because I am
willing to change my mind on

861
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,900
things that I say, well, I mean
dinosaurs, never existing,

862
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:08,300
that's a, that's a pretty cool,
pay coming on Isla.

863
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,200
I like that episode.
I never get to do good but we

864
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,700
should cover McCully a member
that's supposed to be a

865
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:19,900
sauropod.
Yeah.

866
00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:22,800
And And you have, you know, you
have a lot of the same kind of

867
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,400
report.
Some, you know, if you read

868
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:31,300
exploration, faucet Journey to
the lost city of Z by, you know,

869
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:35,800
it was posthumously.
Published pursue faucets were

870
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,200
like in the early 1900s, you
know, he talked about the folks

871
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:48,500
that had spotted Diplodocus like
creatures and and you know, gave

872
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:51,200
you know, descriptions like
Footprints.

873
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,600
And, you know, things that that
people had seen and, you know,

874
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:00,400
there's a hey, there's there's
tons of anecdotal stories of,

875
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:07,400
you know, amerindians and and
South America, you know,

876
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:13,300
incidents of their canoes being
flipped over by these long neck.

877
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:19,600
We want to say I do or do not.
But I think it's a possibility

878
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,700
that McCullough and then Bay is
a Diplo.

879
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,400
Yeah, I mean and you know I mean
it just it like, you know, like

880
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,400
in those deep reaches of the
Congo and, you know, and then in

881
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,100
South America, man.
I mean, like, literally anything

882
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:39,800
could be could be hiding in
there, right?

883
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:43,700
That's my what I think, there's
so much.

884
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:47,200
And it's not just dinosaurs, but
other prehistoric megafauna.

885
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:52,200
Jeff loves that term.
You have ground sloths and in

886
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,800
certain parts of South America.
Then you have a creature that is

887
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:03,100
well, it's called the beaver
eater from from Canada and Emily

888
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:08,300
show but Northern America, maybe
that's also supposed to be a

889
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:13,300
giant megatherium type ground
sloth.

890
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,600
So there's there's a lot of, a
lot of stuff.

891
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,300
Mean there's people that still
claim that there's woolly

892
00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:27,100
mammoths and other type of old?
Well, not just that but also in

893
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:29,600
the very Northern parts of
Canada.

894
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,100
I wish we had our Canadian hair.
She messaged me, and let me know

895
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:37,900
that our computer froze up.
So, Sheila show, get back with

896
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:39,900
us soon.
But she'd be able to tell me

897
00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:42,400
what part of Canada, I'm
thinking of because I can't

898
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,300
figure.
Well, I mean those those woolly,

899
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:50,300
it was woolly mammoth stories, I
mean, Even you know, three, two,

900
00:55:50,300 --> 00:55:54,000
three, four hundred years ago, I
mean, they were rumored, you

901
00:55:54,008 --> 00:55:58,000
know, deep be living out west
and a lot of your Native,

902
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,300
American tribes, you know, have
those those tails, you know,

903
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:09,800
just read, what is it red Earth?
White Lies by Vine deloria

904
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,300
Junior.
It's, you know, from a, from a

905
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:17,600
native perspective on, you know,
how he kind of debate.

906
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:21,800
It's what we call scientific
fact, you know, from the

907
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,000
traditions of various native
tribes and things and those

908
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:31,300
those Mammoth stories, it would
certainly seem that they didn't

909
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:35,000
die out 10,000 years ago.
They at least lived to, you

910
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,400
know, a few hundred years ago
and who knows?

911
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,400
They're like, like like you're
saying there, there might still

912
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,300
be a handful of them today.
Laughter sure.

913
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,100
Yeah, I mean like I always
thought that the the woolly

914
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:54,100
mammoths died out so long ago
and then I probably last year,

915
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,500
saw some saw some article
online.

916
00:56:57,500 --> 00:57:02,600
They were giving their talking
about the die-off period of the

917
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:03,900
woolly.
Mammoth and said, you know,

918
00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:07,400
people seem to think that it's
like dinosaurs like way back

919
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,800
then, right?
There's literally, like the time

920
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,100
of the pyramids being built.
I can do you think that's

921
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,300
pretty?
Close that's, you know, nowhere

922
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:20,400
near when I was thinking or what
I was thinking you know science

923
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,000
had projected as far as that
sort of goes.

924
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:28,900
I'm not a old Earth believer
myself but yeah just like this.

925
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:33,500
I think that everything died off
but much closer than, you know,

926
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:39,900
there are given right before and
and you know, I mean like do you

927
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:42,900
really know when the last if
something dies?

928
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:47,100
I mean, they don't like Like
check in with any thought you

929
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:52,200
guys were signing out.
Yeah, you know, and that's why I

930
00:57:52,207 --> 00:57:56,200
like like a lot of species
supposed to be extinct.

931
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,800
I kind of questioned that.
And, and, and kind of, like, I

932
00:57:59,808 --> 00:58:03,600
was talking about earlier on,
you know, like, like about

933
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,500
cougars in Virginia, you know,
they like to say that the last

934
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:13,800
one was was killed in Virginia
and like, it's like, either 1882

935
00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:17,400
E5 something like that down in
Washington County.

936
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:22,300
But it's like, how do you really
know that because like, in the

937
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:25,800
late 1800s, and nobody was
tagging these things.

938
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,900
And how do we know that a little
pocket didn't survive and in

939
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:35,000
some of these more remote?
Yeah, remote areas that are that

940
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,400
are now protected as you know,
national forest or national

941
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,600
park, like Shenandoah National
Park.

942
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,400
So I didn't, yeah, I'm just not
a big believer.

943
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:50,300
When you know about things,
everything being extinct like on

944
00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:54,600
the time frames that that they
tell us clearly it's because

945
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,800
we've combed every square inch
of the surface of this planet.

946
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:03,200
Also that's how we know you know
we're just going to come back to

947
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,000
us about this this long-necked
dinosaur and be like.

948
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,500
I figured it out.
It's not a long-necked dinosaur.

949
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:11,100
It's a huge.
Massive snake with legs.

950
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:25,900
Hey, that's cool too.
Some other things, I mean, I

951
00:59:25,908 --> 00:59:29,200
believe in dragons that existed
at one point.

952
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,800
So you know, for me it's just
the definition of terms thing,

953
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:36,500
you know, that's where I'm kind
of like thrown for a loop so he

954
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:38,800
call it a dinosaur.
I might call it a dragon or a

955
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,700
giant crocodile, I don't know,
but that's where I'm at but I'm

956
00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:46,500
sure that we've got stuff out
there that has never been

957
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:50,900
discovered or at least what's
the word I'm looking for like

958
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,200
You know, jotted down like this
has been discovered, you know,

959
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,500
I'm tries.
Yeah.

960
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:58,200
Documented they think that's the
word.

961
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:04,700
Yeah, for sure everybody bear
with us while we take this quick

962
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:10,800
break.
Kids are where those mammoths at

963
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:18,500
damaged ends are thought it was
wails well Wells to, but not the

964
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:20,900
not the woolly, whales the
woolly mammoths were they at in

965
01:00:20,900 --> 01:00:24,900
Canada, where Canada, is it, the
Yukon?

966
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:27,400
Is that what?
Northern Canada, yeah, the

967
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:32,300
territories, yeah, the territory
that you can Yukon Northwest

968
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:35,300
Territory and none of it.
Or never.

969
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:38,000
I don't know how they say it.
Every time I say it I get told I

970
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,200
said it wrong.
Say it again.

971
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,900
A bit.
None of it.

972
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:47,600
Noona it On your college knows
the I think the capital city of

973
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:54,700
the province, I'm probably very
wrong about your own area and

974
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:56,000
you have no idea.
Territories.

975
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,700
I bet she didn't even know
Finland was above Minnesota.

976
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:09,900
Yeah, it says right here.
So I'm actively looking at this

977
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:12,700
picture right now.
Don't ask me why I found this on

978
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:16,400
the internet right now, but I'm
looking at the longest largest

979
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,500
crocodile ever measured lolong
20.

980
01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:23,400
Feet. 3 inches is the longest
crocodile ever measured from

981
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:27,200
snout to tail, but about that.
Well then you picture we saw in

982
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:32,100
the group and it was a day that
was but this 20 foot three inch

983
01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:34,900
long crocodiles, the biggest one
they've ever measured, which

984
01:01:34,900 --> 01:01:37,700
means there's probably one
that's like 10 feet bigger than

985
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:40,000
this.
Yeah, around somewhere like the

986
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:45,300
Lake Placid crocodile crocodile
is big man, that's like half a

987
01:01:45,308 --> 01:01:48,800
size of a city bus.
Well I mean you think about fish

988
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,300
right?
Somebody catches a record fish

989
01:01:51,300 --> 01:01:55,600
and you know maybe 10, 20 years
I mean somebody breaks and not

990
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,500
like not like not only breaks it
but shatters it.

991
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:02,400
I was looking at a couple of
catfish records recently like

992
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,700
one was like 110 pounds and the
previous record was 90.

993
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:10,000
I mean, that's a Huge
percentage, right?

994
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,100
So, I mean, and yeah, who says,
something's not bigger than

995
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:17,500
that, guy, that's the record.
I mean, we just don't know

996
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:22,000
what's in the water and and
what's in the woods, it's like

997
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,900
the sturgeon kind of that kind
of like the surgeon that was

998
01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:28,800
found in my area here in the
Fraser River 10-foot sturgeon.

999
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,200
Yeah, it was found not too long
ago and I looked into it.

1000
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,200
The longest recorded every
surgeon was close to 24 feet,

1001
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:42,700
just under 24 feet.
That's a huge fish that they

1002
01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:46,000
don't start throwing.
It's a massive fish, right?

1003
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:54,100
So, That's a big hill, know what
that's not.

1004
01:02:55,500 --> 01:03:00,600
Well, alright.
Alright, let's let's, I got to

1005
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,700
bring up something that I didn't
have written down.

1006
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:08,700
If you're in the infinite Rabbit
Hole group on Facebook, not the

1007
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:11,700
page.
So if you go to Facebook look

1008
01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:14,700
for infant Rabbit Hole, click on
the moment, the black logo, not

1009
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:16,000
the ones.
The white logo of the white logo

1010
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,600
is the page where you update One
news and new episodes and stuff,

1011
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,000
but if you want to actually get
into the conversation, look for

1012
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:28,000
the one with the black cap, the
black logo and in there, we talk

1013
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:33,400
often and also on the show, we
also talked often about where we

1014
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:41,200
have gotten this crazy idea.
That dog men could be looking

1015
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,500
real.
We're not, we're not doing that

1016
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:56,400
or Denver, we have to sew
Denver.

1017
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:02,100
My friend is the one who birthed
this idea and I'm not in line

1018
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:08,500
with nail to him.
When he first said it It took a

1019
01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:11,200
minute to click, but you read
books.

1020
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:15,800
Like, what's that book?
From Laurel Coleman the

1021
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:17,800
mysterious American, right, is
it?

1022
01:04:18,700 --> 01:04:24,200
Yeah, mysterious American Eric.
I think where he talks about in

1023
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,500
the midwest.
There was this, boom of

1024
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,600
kangaroos, just everywhere.
They were, they were showing up

1025
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,200
even in the Appalachian
Mountains and as far west as the

1026
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:40,200
Rockies and And you know between
them and the other another

1027
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:44,200
well-known Cryptid, the devil
monkey, which a lot of people

1028
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:48,700
think that the, the to got kind
of intertwined and there was

1029
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:50,900
mistaken identity between the
two of them to.

1030
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:53,700
So someone would report seeing a
devil monkey but really.

1031
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:58,400
So I'll kangaroo and then, you
know, Denver kind of turned me

1032
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:03,500
on to the idea of really take a
look at this kangaroo idea for

1033
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:07,300
some of these Dogma night.
You know, I'm not 100%.

1034
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:11,100
Saying that every single dog Man
sighting ever was a kangaroo.

1035
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:16,000
But if you look at the
silhouette of a kangaroo, right?

1036
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:22,200
These things have hand claws
with long claws and their bulky

1037
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,700
big.
It looks like they could beat

1038
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:30,100
the shit out of you and because
I can, if you've ever seen one

1039
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:34,700
attack a screen door, yeah, you
was excellent.

1040
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,600
Well, I think that's where I
That's where I turned you on to

1041
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,200
it.
I said go on YouTube and, and

1042
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,200
right in the little search bar,
put kangaroos are scary.

1043
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:51,800
But dude, I mean, like, it's
just like not and so, you know,

1044
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,100
like somebody nice Trail, you
might not really think much of

1045
01:05:55,100 --> 01:06:01,200
that, but somebody in West
Virginia or, you know, somebody

1046
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,000
in Oklahoma.
Yeah.

1047
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,900
I mean because, you know, and I
don't care what any, you know,

1048
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:11,000
and, you know, I'm gonna piss
off some dog men enthusiasts out

1049
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,100
there, but I just don't believe
that upright canines can exist

1050
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:17,900
in nature, right?
I mean, I believe Bigfoot can

1051
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:23,000
but an upright canine I just
don't think can exist in nature.

1052
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,100
So it's one of two things, it's
mistaken identity or we're

1053
01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:31,100
talking something and I'm going
to say something more

1054
01:06:31,100 --> 01:06:34,400
metaphysical, possibly even
demonic, right?

1055
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,500
Because of their, you know, the
red eyes this A sense of evil

1056
01:06:38,500 --> 01:06:41,900
that people always get.
So you know and so I'm not

1057
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:47,300
saying that every dog man is
that but I'm saying I think a

1058
01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:52,700
lot of these Dogman sightings
are kangaroos and because I mean

1059
01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:56,200
you know on the in the infinite
rabbit-hole group like once a

1060
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,800
week I post something about
somebody's damn Kangaroo got

1061
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,500
loose, you know.
Yeah yeah it's coming.

1062
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:06,900
It's coming, it's coming.
I didn't really used to pay that

1063
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:07,900
much attention.
Into it.

1064
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:11,800
But now I'm like, like trying to
document every time that I see

1065
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:17,000
this and yeah like like once a
week, you know somebody's

1066
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:21,700
kangaroo is getting loose in the
US or you know or in Europe to

1067
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,500
and you know for say have dog
Man sightings over there and I

1068
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:28,000
mean to me the long snout the
clause.

1069
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,200
And if you just watch, you just
watch that video of that.

1070
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,100
Kangaroo, banging on the storm
door.

1071
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:39,000
Yeah, that's yeah.
I'll leave it at that.

1072
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:43,300
Yeah, I mean imagine imagine it
being dark out, right?

1073
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:44,600
Yeah.
It's dark in the house and

1074
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,900
you're sleeping and and you get
a cake like you get like just

1075
01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:51,300
the silhouette of a kangaroo
outside your window and you live

1076
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:57,200
in Ohio you're like that's dog,
man, I'm going to back up this

1077
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,900
Theory up right here.
You ready for this?

1078
01:07:58,900 --> 01:08:01,800
The Wyoming wild game
department, partnering with the

1079
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,800
Wyoming migration initiative
have released the first of five

1080
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:12,300
plan batches of D and to Lapine
kangaroos into the Wyoming

1081
01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:14,700
Outdoors.
Okay, that's fun.

1082
01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:17,500
Yeah.
What about the dog, Man?

1083
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:23,500
Sightings out of wild kangaroos.
We don't, we don't need to know

1084
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:26,899
what Healthcare is it because
they released the gray wolves.

1085
01:08:26,899 --> 01:08:28,800
So now they have to release the
kangaroos.

1086
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:34,500
It's there are evaluating the
viability of Wyoming's habitat

1087
01:08:34,500 --> 01:08:37,200
for Australian marsupials.
So this is just one thing.

1088
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:40,600
Apple never mind the fact that
we know that other animals get

1089
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,800
brought here.
Yeah as exotic pets and they get

1090
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,600
out so on and so forth.
So they are they're kangaroos in

1091
01:08:46,608 --> 01:08:49,300
the wild in the United States.
Yes, yeah.

1092
01:08:49,300 --> 01:08:52,100
And and a lot of people don't
realize, you know, you think a

1093
01:08:52,108 --> 01:08:54,600
kangaroo's, you know, you're
thinking Australia, you know,

1094
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,300
where it's warm and stuff, but
kangaroos, as long as they don't

1095
01:08:57,300 --> 01:09:01,600
have like really really deep
snow, I mean, they can survive,

1096
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:05,800
you know, winners, you know,
most anywhere in the u.s., I

1097
01:09:05,808 --> 01:09:13,600
mean you Find on YouTube and
Just Google kangaroo Oklahoma,

1098
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,300
and you'll see like some dudes
out bow hunting in a field and

1099
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:20,399
it's covered with snow is
freaking kangaroo.

1100
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:24,100
Just comes down to the down the
field, it's stupid.

1101
01:09:24,899 --> 01:09:28,300
I watched I watched a video
where a kangaroo was bounced

1102
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:32,100
around and Staten Island.
I got like a whole thing of

1103
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:36,700
reports from like we're all
these kangaroos in New Jersey.

1104
01:09:36,700 --> 01:09:40,000
I mean it, It's stupid.
How many kangaroos are out

1105
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,700
there?
And like I know for a fact in

1106
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:48,000
Hawaii, you know, some got loose
from a circus like in a wahoo

1107
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,899
and they actually establish
their own breeding population.

1108
01:09:51,899 --> 01:09:55,300
So you've got the breeding
population of wild kangaroos in

1109
01:09:55,300 --> 01:09:59,600
a wahoo and I kind of wonder if
maybe there might be little

1110
01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:03,400
pockets in the u.s. you know,
because I've collected a lot of

1111
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,100
those you know, newspaper
reports.

1112
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:09,500
Were some of them have Loose
and, you know, there's no

1113
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:13,400
follow-up where they were ever
recovered and that sort of

1114
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:14,700
thing.
So, I don't know.

1115
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:21,000
I mean it's it makes as much
sense as a as a 7-foot dog that

1116
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,600
can walk upright.
I fucked up, you know what I'm

1117
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,800
saying?
Fuck it was an April Fool's joke

1118
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:35,600
posted on April 1st 2017 what an
asshole I didn't know until I

1119
01:10:35,608 --> 01:10:41,500
got to the end of the article.
This is why I checked dates

1120
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:44,900
before I post, or Bluetooth hard
anything.

1121
01:10:45,000 --> 01:11:07,000
As soon as they
let me go first, you go first.

1122
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,600
First so even even with that
whole, April Fool's thing, aside

1123
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:18,000
there there is plenty
documentation of, oh yeah,

1124
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:23,500
Rector large population of
kangaroos back in the day, 70s

1125
01:11:23,900 --> 01:11:27,600
and 80s 90s.
And there was a large breeding

1126
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,700
population here in the u.s.
mostly in the midwest.

1127
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:34,900
But I mean, think of all the the
Cryptids that are out there,

1128
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:37,500
right, let's just take one for
example because I'm not Going to

1129
01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:39,200
see her all day.
Let's talk about the Jersey

1130
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,200
Devil, right?
So the Jersey Devil, look at the

1131
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,700
general description of the
Jersey Devil, right?

1132
01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:48,100
Other than the ability for it to
fly and it's who've

1133
01:12:07,700 --> 01:12:10,800
Maybe I don't know as I'm not
looking at Kangaroo feet right

1134
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,900
now.
No, they have the the forked

1135
01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:13,600
feet.
Don't they?

1136
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,700
I long for key.
I don't know.

1137
01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:21,600
No, but um, well, listen to me.
But there are a lot of reports

1138
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,900
from back in the day of the
Jersey Devil hopping around and

1139
01:12:24,900 --> 01:12:29,800
being able to jump, extremely
large distances and whatnot.

1140
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:34,000
Right.
And some people said that it

1141
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,100
jumps so far.
It seemed like it was flying.

1142
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:42,500
And there are reports of the
Jersey Devil Without Wings and

1143
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:46,800
with, you know, a lot of reports
claiming that it had a tail.

1144
01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:51,200
A lot of them being a whip tail,
but a tail nonetheless, and, you

1145
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,100
know, so there's a, there's a
lot of things that could be

1146
01:12:54,100 --> 01:12:59,600
kangaroos, dog, managers devil,
or just a few tuned to name a

1147
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,000
few.
But there are a lot, and to

1148
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:08,100
think that the entire population
is gone, Is probably crazy

1149
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:11,400
because as Denver was saying,
we're getting reports news

1150
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:16,200
articles all the time.
Yeah, of kangaroos being found

1151
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,300
here in the United States and
not just the ones that are being

1152
01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:24,600
lost from personal collections
that are tagged, you know, or

1153
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:29,200
microchipped.
These ones are as wild as wild

1154
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,200
gets and they're surviving.
Yeah.

1155
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:36,400
And you know, back in the day to
like, you know, up until what

1156
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:40,400
Like probably like the 70s and
especially like in the early

1157
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:45,700
1900's mid-1900s there should be
all these traveling circuses.

1158
01:13:45,700 --> 01:13:49,500
It had all these exotic animals
and stuff and you know things

1159
01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:53,000
weren't regulated back then like
they are today.

1160
01:13:53,300 --> 01:13:57,100
And he'll I mean there's there's
tons of states that it's

1161
01:13:57,100 --> 01:14:00,400
perfectly legal to own a
kangaroo, you know, you

1162
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,900
wouldn't.
You wouldn't think that and but

1163
01:14:02,900 --> 01:14:06,400
yeah like there's plenty of
states that have no problem.

1164
01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:09,100
Switch you having a kangaroo you
know.

1165
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:13,300
So you just wonder like from
those old like those old

1166
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:18,000
traveling circuses things that
you know might have got loose

1167
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:24,000
and you know things like that
that you know are kind of behind

1168
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:29,000
a lot of the strange.
Sightings we have Bryce.

1169
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,200
I added a picture into our group
chat.

1170
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:36,100
Denver that has a couple
different types of kangaroo

1171
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:39,400
Footprints and if I didn't know
what a kangaroo footprint look

1172
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,900
like.
And I only knew pose and then

1173
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:44,200
other type of types of animals
and stuff.

1174
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,500
I would look at those two lines
and be like, that's a

1175
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:49,700
weird-looking Huff.
So, we'll have to add a picture

1176
01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:52,700
in there, so that our viewers on
YouTube can see this.

1177
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:56,800
I was going to ask them.
Have you guys ever had kangaroo

1178
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,600
me because I have Just gonna say
that the butcher around the

1179
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,900
corner cells, kangaroo would
eat.

1180
01:15:02,900 --> 01:15:06,000
First of all you need to do it
and then cause it's so cold.

1181
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,000
Marinade like no one's business.
It's like super lean but it, you

1182
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,700
know, it takes a marinade.
But yeah, I say bring them all

1183
01:15:12,700 --> 01:15:15,100
over like if they want to
actually start a breeding

1184
01:15:15,100 --> 01:15:17,500
population.
Here is like a like in Wyoming.

1185
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,700
Oh man, bring them right now.
He's like bring them on.

1186
01:15:21,700 --> 01:15:28,200
Over the Border.
I took a screenshot of what Jake

1187
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,600
talking about and sent it to you
so you can share in the fun too

1188
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,000
but let's move on.
Let's move on.

1189
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:39,600
Yeah next topic Kang up.
It was one that I did not know.

1190
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,100
That was not real it for that.
That is a that's a pretty crazy.

1191
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:44,800
Yeah.
Yeah.

1192
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,300
Yeah.
It's not definite.

1193
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,500
Yeah, I could say so probably my
favorite theory of I've ever

1194
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:53,000
heard a ruse.
It's definitely the kangaroo.

1195
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:56,600
She hasn't even been part of the
crew for so long and she's

1196
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,100
already got a t-shirt.
Kangaroos.

1197
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,900
So I'm going to skip a couple
here Denver and we're going to

1198
01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:08,000
move into the meat of the show.
So so we are currently in the

1199
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,900
middle of a huge.
Phantom Black Dog Series, right?

1200
01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:14,100
We've been doing a ton of
episodes on black dogs, all

1201
01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:20,200
around the world.
One of, I believe it was in your

1202
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,100
Strange Tales From Virginia's
mountains, right?

1203
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:27,100
Is that, we're, you talked about
the yes, the black dog of Blue

1204
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:28,200
Ridge.
Yeah.

1205
01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:32,200
That would have been anyone.
Yeah, he tell us a little bit

1206
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:38,400
about that story.
Well so basically I want to say

1207
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:47,000
like in the mid late, 1600s You
know, man came over from England

1208
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:52,200
into bought a thought County
Virginia, Which, you know, back

1209
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,600
then would have been just, you
know, over in the Blue Ridge,

1210
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,800
just a really rugged Frontier
back in those days.

1211
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:06,600
And he was supposed to send for
his wife and, you know, she

1212
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:12,400
just, she just never got word.
But, you know, the story was

1213
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,300
that there was this there.
There was this dog, you know,

1214
01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:19,100
like a really big black dog,
like up along a mountain pass

1215
01:17:19,100 --> 01:17:22,900
like a gap in the mountains that
every night around Sunset would

1216
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:26,700
just kind of like Pace back and
forth and Pace back and forth.

1217
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:32,700
And and it was, you know, people
had tried run it off or even

1218
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:36,400
shoot it with bullets and it
was, you know, like bullets just

1219
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,300
went right through it, it would
just you know like keep marching

1220
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:45,100
back and forth basically and you
know, long story. you're the, I

1221
01:17:45,108 --> 01:17:49,000
want to, I want to say like
after maybe like around seven

1222
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:53,900
years thereabouts, the lady from
England comes over, you know,

1223
01:17:53,900 --> 01:17:58,100
trying to find your husband,
figure out, you know, whatever

1224
01:17:58,100 --> 01:18:02,000
became of him, and, you know,
she tracked him down, like I

1225
01:18:02,008 --> 01:18:09,400
said, to bada thought County and
She heard the tales of this dog

1226
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,200
at, you know, this tavern that
they said kept a nightly vigil

1227
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:17,200
pacing back and forth and it
sounded like you know her

1228
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:22,500
husband's dog and so you know
she insisted that you know

1229
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:29,000
people take her to the dog and
you know long story short, you

1230
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,100
know she sees the dog, the dog,
you know like kind of jumps in

1231
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:36,300
her lap and then goes and like
Paul.

1232
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:42,800
Also over by Stone, you know,
and they they dig up, they find,

1233
01:18:43,700 --> 01:18:48,100
you know, a skeleton with with a
ring that was her husband's

1234
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:52,400
Signet ring and beside.
It was, you know, the remains of

1235
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,800
the dog, you know, the dog
disappeared.

1236
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,300
It's kind of like one of those
tearjerker stories, you know, if

1237
01:18:58,300 --> 01:19:02,400
you're a big dog lover and you
know I just had to put my dog

1238
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:08,500
down about a week and a half ago
so it's like I'm like about to

1239
01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:13,100
start crying, you know?
Basically it's one of those,

1240
01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:17,300
it's like one of those cool.
You know, cool stories where

1241
01:19:17,300 --> 01:19:22,100
the, you know, it's kind of one
of your Phantom Black Dog

1242
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:25,400
stories in a way, but in the
other way it's you know this

1243
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:29,900
this is kind of kind of beers
from that because it's kind of

1244
01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:34,500
got that warm you know, that
that warm and fuzzy deal.

1245
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:38,500
And at the end, you know, Like a
loyal companion at, you know,

1246
01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:43,700
that hung around till is, you
know, till his dad's wife could,

1247
01:19:43,700 --> 01:19:47,000
you know, find their bodies and
give them a proper burial, you

1248
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,800
know.
So for anybody who wants a

1249
01:19:49,808 --> 01:19:53,500
deeper dive Inside Story, you
can check out Denver Michaels as

1250
01:19:53,500 --> 01:19:57,600
website where he posts his blog
Denver, is it just Denver

1251
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,000
michaels.com?
It's actually Denver Michaels

1252
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:05,100
dotnet.
Some jackass head had.com and I

1253
01:20:05,108 --> 01:20:07,100
would have had to tell you a
bunch of money for it.

1254
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:12,200
So I just went with dotnet, the
other Denver Michaels, whoever

1255
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:16,100
the hell that is, it's pictures
of his rocks and all the

1256
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,100
collections and fossils and
stuff.

1257
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:27,000
No, my websites way too
important so definitely check

1258
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,600
out Denver Michaels dotnet.
He does do a Blog on the black

1259
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,200
dog of the Blue Ridge.
Also, you can find the story and

1260
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,600
his book Strange, Tales of
Virginia's mountains which this

1261
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:37,500
is the one that's getting
sequel.

1262
01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:39,600
Right?
Yeah, yeah.

1263
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,400
That one is going to have a, you
know, I've actually finished the

1264
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,400
book and you know, I'm turning
it in pretty soon.

1265
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,800
So I'm hoping it'll I'll be out
by the end of the year but it

1266
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,700
might actually be in the
springtime.

1267
01:20:51,700 --> 01:20:56,000
Just kind of depends on them,
the Publishers own, you know,

1268
01:20:56,700 --> 01:20:59,000
their schedule.
Awesome.

1269
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:05,300
I'm very excited about it.
I've got My book wish list on

1270
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:09,200
Amazon is.
Embarrassing.

1271
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,700
I have a lot and every once in a
while when I when I'm not buying

1272
01:21:13,700 --> 01:21:17,600
a book for research, I buy a
Denver Michaels book because you

1273
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:22,300
get stories such as that the
black dog of the Blue Ridge.

1274
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:24,100
You get.
There's a lot of, a lot of

1275
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:28,700
really, really cool stories that
Denver ties, these unexplainable

1276
01:21:28,700 --> 01:21:34,500
events into history.
And so we're going to step out

1277
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:37,600
of that for a little bit Denver
and we're going to head into the

1278
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,200
last section.
Show and this is probably where

1279
01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:43,800
we're going to probably have the
most fun.

1280
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:50,800
So so we have to ask the
question that everyone loves the

1281
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:55,400
here about.
What is your full opinion on

1282
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:59,900
Bigfoot, what is it and do you
think we'll ever get proof In

1283
01:21:59,900 --> 01:22:03,900
Our Lifetime?
What is it?

1284
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:10,500
Well, okay, so what is it?
I really oscillate back and

1285
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:13,500
forth.
Some, you know, and anybody

1286
01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:16,600
that's, you know, spent much
time reading any of my books,

1287
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:21,600
you'll know that I say that, I
don't know a lot, I don't take

1288
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,800
real strong stances on these
kind of things, there was a time

1289
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,900
in my life.
When I believed 100% without a

1290
01:22:28,907 --> 01:22:32,600
doubt, it's a flesh-and-blood.
It's a You know, it's an

1291
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,400
Undiscovered species of great
ape and in North America.

1292
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,300
That's that, you know, you
couldn't have told me any

1293
01:22:38,300 --> 01:22:43,900
different, but more and more.
I've kind of come along, do it.

1294
01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:47,900
Yeah, I believe it's something
so I don't believe like, no.

1295
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:50,500
There's nothing to in and not,
not at all.

1296
01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:56,800
But, you know, I've kind of come
around a little bit on the, on

1297
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:01,700
the loose side I guess that
might be something more.

1298
01:23:01,900 --> 01:23:07,400
Metaphysical.
Well, I mean, because let's face

1299
01:23:07,407 --> 01:23:08,900
it.
Let's look at all the people.

1300
01:23:08,900 --> 01:23:10,900
I mean, it's kind of like, what
I was talking about earlier,

1301
01:23:10,900 --> 01:23:14,200
right?
For all the Bigfoot experts out

1302
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:15,800
there.
You got a bunch of ankle

1303
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:21,000
inconclusive tracks, you got
some inconclusive hairs, you got

1304
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:26,900
some, you got a lot of pictures
on Facebook of these stick

1305
01:23:26,900 --> 01:23:31,800
structures or these blobs on the
ground with the tape measure but

1306
01:23:31,900 --> 01:23:34,200
Sided that are supposed to be a
track.

1307
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,100
But yeah, it was good.
It's a Denver.

1308
01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:37,600
You can't forget about the red
circles.

1309
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,700
Well, the red circles are
awesome, you know, where the

1310
01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:43,300
bigfoots like hiding in the
trees.

1311
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:46,200
And, you know, you got a lot of
people that are researching a

1312
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:51,800
family of Bigfoot, in my
research location, you got a lot

1313
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,800
of that, but really nobody has
anything.

1314
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,300
And, you know, I'm it's just
true.

1315
01:23:57,300 --> 01:23:59,800
Nobody's got anything
conclusive.

1316
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,700
I mean, you just really don't
And I'm not saying it's not a

1317
01:24:03,708 --> 01:24:05,700
worthwhile Pursuit.
I'm not.

1318
01:24:05,700 --> 01:24:07,100
You know, I'm not saying that at
all.

1319
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:13,100
I mean I you know, I I spend
lots and lots of time in the

1320
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:16,800
woods, you know.
Looking at these same, you know,

1321
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:21,900
pinned down arches and you know,
little teepees and depressions

1322
01:24:21,900 --> 01:24:24,100
in the ground.
You know like wondering if you

1323
01:24:24,100 --> 01:24:26,300
know, is that something?
Is that something?

1324
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:33,300
You know, I mean yeah but you
know, nobody has any A, you

1325
01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:36,600
know, like, after all this time
and that's what leads me to

1326
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:43,200
think that we might be talking
something that, you know, you're

1327
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,000
not going to figure out the
answer because it's, you know,

1328
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,000
it's a ghost or its
interdimensional or this or

1329
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,800
that, you know.
That's so, you know, I'm kind of

1330
01:24:53,800 --> 01:25:01,500
like, What I want to say 75 65%
there and but I still leave

1331
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:05,200
plenty of room that, you know,
it is something physical that we

1332
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:09,400
just, we just ain't been able to
find, you know it Jeff, what do

1333
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,500
you think?
Okay, all right.

1334
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:13,800
Good job.
Good guitar, Jeff.

1335
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:19,800
It's just up and left.
I can't wait till you go to edit

1336
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,500
that, be great.
Anyways.

1337
01:25:23,500 --> 01:25:25,800
All right.
Denver, so the next tier, the

1338
01:25:25,808 --> 01:25:30,300
question is Do you think that
the government could be hiding

1339
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:36,300
the existence of Bigfoot?
Um, so the short answer.

1340
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,800
No.
But I need to preface that by

1341
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:45,300
saying, I am a connoisseur of
conspiracy theories, I am mother

1342
01:25:45,700 --> 01:25:52,600
of valued devoted conspiracy
theorist so I believe in

1343
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:56,400
conspiracies, I believe the
government is hiding tons of

1344
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:59,100
stuff but Burning there.
You know?

1345
01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:05,100
And and and here's why right?
I just don't think that number

1346
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:08,800
one.
I don't think that they know.

1347
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:13,100
But number two, I mean, I don't
think they care think of think

1348
01:26:13,100 --> 01:26:17,800
of, you know, our powerful
legislators and Congress people

1349
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:22,700
you know, Like, you know,
they're, you know, they're

1350
01:26:22,700 --> 01:26:26,600
they're evil and, you know,
self-serving and all that but

1351
01:26:26,700 --> 01:26:30,600
you know, besides that they're
just like everybody else and

1352
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:37,500
people in the Bigfoot Community.
They they they tend to forget

1353
01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:41,500
that, you know like we're not
like as important as we think we

1354
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:44,500
are.
Like most people don't give a

1355
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:47,200
shit about Bigfoot one way or
the other, right?

1356
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:53,100
So why is it so A Bigfoot Denver
look like, like most people like

1357
01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:57,500
like almost everybody, like like
just go out and just go out and

1358
01:26:57,500 --> 01:27:00,700
like sample a random hundred
people, right?

1359
01:27:00,700 --> 01:27:04,700
Even if they believe in it, they
really don't care all that much.

1360
01:27:04,700 --> 01:27:09,100
And so why would we think that
our Congress Congress?

1361
01:27:09,100 --> 01:27:12,800
People are any different?
So that's another reason.

1362
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:17,000
I don't believe it.
And like, and another thing, I

1363
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,700
mean, like, what would the
government gains Gain by hiding

1364
01:27:20,700 --> 01:27:23,900
Bigfoot like like for instance,
if they just said yeah, Bigfoot

1365
01:27:23,900 --> 01:27:27,900
exists, we know it's here.
They could do a massive land

1366
01:27:27,900 --> 01:27:30,600
grab right?
Where these things are, they

1367
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,900
could take that the federal
government already owns, Twenty

1368
01:27:33,900 --> 01:27:37,000
Eight percent of the land in the
United States.

1369
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:40,000
Well, guess what?
I mean, if Bigfoot is lurking in

1370
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,300
the suburbs of Connecticut,
like, some people are saying

1371
01:27:43,300 --> 01:27:46,200
they could pick up.
Somebody could pick up that land

1372
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:49,700
to they could they could all of
a sudden own like the rest of Of

1373
01:27:49,700 --> 01:27:52,900
the land in the u.s.
I mean, they could do a massive

1374
01:27:52,900 --> 01:27:56,300
land grab.
So, you know, they could do

1375
01:27:56,300 --> 01:27:59,800
that.
There's just I just don't to me.

1376
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:04,300
Like the government is hiding
Bigfoot from us, is really, it's

1377
01:28:04,300 --> 01:28:08,700
really just a cop-out that the
Bigfoot Community uses, because

1378
01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:11,500
they've just not been able to
prove anything.

1379
01:28:11,500 --> 01:28:15,700
I mean, that's that's sort of my
K, and I believe, in

1380
01:28:15,700 --> 01:28:18,100
conspiracies, do not get me
wrong.

1381
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:21,400
I mean, I can talk off, Off
record all day long about some

1382
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,700
stuff that I wouldn't say
publicly.

1383
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:30,400
Up, Jake has something to say
and I raised my hand I think

1384
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:34,200
that the forestry service is
hiding is covering up for

1385
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:39,600
bigfoot because of high.
I think that I don't have the

1386
01:28:39,608 --> 01:28:42,100
numbers in front of me but I
have to think it's named the

1387
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:46,300
tons, right?
How much trash is pulled out of

1388
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,900
trash, like, litter and crap
that's pulled out of national

1389
01:28:49,900 --> 01:28:53,000
parks every single year?
It's got to be in the tons or

1390
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,800
thousands of tons of people just
Littering you know, messing with

1391
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:00,400
stuff destroying like the the
foliage and the trees and all

1392
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:04,000
that stuff, you know, like oh
finish my water bottle and throw

1393
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,700
it amongst these rocks and
stuff.

1394
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,800
I think that if I think the
National Park Service, if anyone

1395
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,200
knows that this thing exists
it's them and they're not saying

1396
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,100
anything because they don't want
the attention.

1397
01:29:15,300 --> 01:29:17,800
They don't want.
They don't want hundreds of

1398
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:19,800
millions of people flooding in
21 states.

1399
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,300
They could just completely wreck
it and turn it into nothing.

1400
01:29:22,700 --> 01:29:26,800
You're wrong, you're wrong.
And we're going to roll but need

1401
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,700
them.
No, no, no.

1402
01:29:30,500 --> 01:29:32,300
This is exactly what it's meant
to do.

1403
01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:34,100
Denver get mad.
Tell them.

1404
01:29:34,300 --> 01:29:38,400
Yeah.
I mean, it's just like and and

1405
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,000
where you're wrong here.
There's a couple reasons.

1406
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,100
You're wrong you.
They're pulling out all this

1407
01:29:43,100 --> 01:29:47,100
trash and everything because
it's increased.

1408
01:29:47,100 --> 01:29:50,300
Because after the covid
lockdowns, everybody figured,

1409
01:29:50,300 --> 01:29:53,200
oh, I can just go to all the
national parks and, you know,

1410
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:57,100
and be safe and and So, you just
had a flood of people into all

1411
01:29:57,100 --> 01:29:59,700
the national parks.
I've seen this with our, with

1412
01:29:59,700 --> 01:30:05,800
our being, they've started, and
they are starting to shut down.

1413
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:09,500
And you have to like, make
reservations now like like when

1414
01:30:09,500 --> 01:30:15,100
we went to Glacier, they had to,
you know, they had started on a

1415
01:30:15,100 --> 01:30:18,700
reservation system.
So so I mean this is going on

1416
01:30:18,700 --> 01:30:23,800
anyway and and like where you're
wrong about this like nobody's

1417
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,700
going to Again, people in the
Bigfoot Community.

1418
01:30:27,700 --> 01:30:30,000
Think.
Oh, if they admit that Bigfoot's

1419
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:34,700
here like, like everybody that
cares about Bigfoot is already

1420
01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:38,800
out there looking for him.
Anyway, like somebody that don't

1421
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,400
care one way or the, another
isn't going to go and people

1422
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,100
that would be like, oh the Park
Service admitted there's

1423
01:30:46,100 --> 01:30:48,700
Bigfoot, they're not going to go
because they're going to be

1424
01:30:48,700 --> 01:30:50,900
scared.
So I mean, I think that that's

1425
01:30:50,900 --> 01:30:54,500
all a wash that you're going to
have all these people but if

1426
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:59,300
They did acknowledge that there
was Bigfoot, right?

1427
01:30:59,300 --> 01:31:03,700
It's an endangered species now,
so they can just shut off access

1428
01:31:03,700 --> 01:31:07,900
to all that land.
And, and like, I travel like all

1429
01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:09,700
the time doll, this federal
land.

1430
01:31:09,700 --> 01:31:13,500
And there's a lot of it where
they, you just can't even access

1431
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:16,300
it any way.
You know, they block the gates.

1432
01:31:16,300 --> 01:31:18,900
They, you know, they they can
they can shut off.

1433
01:31:18,900 --> 01:31:21,000
Any portion of land, anytime
they want.

1434
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:25,700
You go to any national park,
like you're not All this step

1435
01:31:25,700 --> 01:31:30,100
off of certain Trails because
you'll you'll damage the soil or

1436
01:31:30,100 --> 01:31:34,600
you know, just something you're
not even allowed to really do

1437
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:38,200
that much in National Parks
anyway, except for, you know,

1438
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:42,200
stay on the trails now.
National Forest BLM land, you

1439
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:48,900
got a lot more freedom.
But and and and again like and

1440
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:53,100
here's another reason I don't
believe in it like I was a

1441
01:31:53,100 --> 01:31:56,600
contractor, you know, for one of
our three letter agencies for

1442
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,300
like 10 years and so, your first
problem.

1443
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:06,200
Yeah, I'm part of the problem.
But so so like, do you know how

1444
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:10,800
hard it is for the government to
find just a qualified

1445
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:18,300
electrician or machinist that
can do a job and pants Grand and

1446
01:32:18,300 --> 01:32:21,800
pass the, you know, the
background checks and all that.

1447
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:25,200
So where are Find in these guys
that can find Bigfoot right when

1448
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,900
nobody else can.
Oh no, I don't mean like it's a

1449
01:32:28,900 --> 01:32:30,000
specialist.
I'm just saying.

1450
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,400
It's the people that take care
of like the forestry but like

1451
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,500
that, like the people that take
care of Forestry knows that

1452
01:32:36,500 --> 01:32:40,600
Bigfoot exists but nobody else
has been able to conclusively

1453
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,300
figure that out, that's all I'm
saying.

1454
01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:44,900
I just don't think the
government knows anything.

1455
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:47,300
I'm, I'm going to step in here
and we'll replace them,

1456
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:51,800
hypothetical devil, the devil's
advocate here Denver, because I

1457
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:56,000
heard a wild Theory.
While back and I just want to

1458
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:02,800
throw it out there.
So let's say that the existence

1459
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,400
of Bigfoot is proven, okay?
Hypothetically.

1460
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,400
Okay.
Now people, right.

1461
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:13,800
We get, we got every flavor a
person, every belief system, you

1462
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:19,300
can possibly think of, and you
get some people a mic.

1463
01:33:19,300 --> 01:33:23,900
Sorry about that.
Pooh think that Bigfoot because

1464
01:33:23,900 --> 01:33:28,100
of how closely it looks and
reminds them of a human.

1465
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:34,900
Deserve rights, right?
And some people some Bigfoot.

1466
01:33:34,900 --> 01:33:37,800
Researchers do believe that,
right?

1467
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:39,900
I believe that they need to be
found because they need

1468
01:33:39,900 --> 01:33:44,500
protection, right?
If if their numbers are as low

1469
01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:47,600
as I fear, I believe that they
need some protection.

1470
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,700
But there are some people who
believe that they are just as

1471
01:33:50,700 --> 01:33:54,500
smart as human beings and their
scent.

1472
01:33:54,500 --> 01:33:59,600
Like super sentient.
They're able to learn, they're

1473
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,800
able to use tools, they're
they're humans, but bigger

1474
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:07,800
hairier and they don't want to
be around others right there

1475
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:12,800
Hermits.
So What if?

1476
01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:19,800
We found Bigfoot and now you get
crowds and crowds of people that

1477
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:23,500
come out of the woodwork that
are jumping on to the next big

1478
01:34:23,500 --> 01:34:29,600
thing and that is Bigfoot and
how that Bigfoot or those tribes

1479
01:34:29,700 --> 01:34:34,500
of Bigfoot deserve land, just
like the Native Americans do.

1480
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:42,200
Right.
So now all those massive,

1481
01:34:42,500 --> 01:34:47,800
massive amounts percentage-wise
of all these national parks that

1482
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:51,400
we are not allowed to go to.
Because what you said is true,

1483
01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:57,200
there are massive chunks.
And I'm not just talking about,

1484
01:34:57,500 --> 01:35:01,600
you know, look at a map I'm
talking about stand on top of a

1485
01:35:01,608 --> 01:35:05,700
mountain of a national park or a
hill and look out.

1486
01:35:06,500 --> 01:35:09,400
All of that.
You see, you can't go to, you

1487
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,600
have to stay on the path.
Okay?

1488
01:35:11,900 --> 01:35:13,700
And that's all you can do.
Stay on the road.

1489
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,500
Stay on the path camp where we
tell you to camp and leave.

1490
01:35:17,900 --> 01:35:21,900
That's it.
There's massive amounts of land

1491
01:35:21,900 --> 01:35:24,700
out there that we do not have
access to that.

1492
01:35:24,700 --> 01:35:29,800
It is supposably National Park.
Land one what are they doing out

1493
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:34,000
there?
Why is it off off off limits,

1494
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:38,000
you know, wire that way?
Why are there so much?

1495
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:40,800
Why is there so much land?
That doesn't even have fire

1496
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,600
Towers?
So for anybody who doesn't know

1497
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:47,000
there's fire Towers out in the
middle of national parks and

1498
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,300
other big chunks of forest where
somebody lives up in these

1499
01:35:50,300 --> 01:35:52,900
towers and their job is to spot
fires.

1500
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:54,400
Yeah.
Right.

1501
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:59,900
And they call enforce fires,
there is massive amount of land

1502
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:04,400
in national parks that are not
covered by one of these is fire

1503
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:08,000
Towers if you Believe me talk to
a hot shot.

1504
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,900
Talk to one of these fire
spotters.

1505
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:16,000
They've come out and said that
there are a lot of, there's a

1506
01:36:16,008 --> 01:36:18,800
lot of land out there that the
government does not let you on.

1507
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:24,400
So hypothetically, let's say
that they already have this

1508
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,000
land, put aside for bigfoot,
okay.

1509
01:36:27,700 --> 01:36:29,300
Now we're going to go deeper
down the rabbit hole because

1510
01:36:29,300 --> 01:36:34,300
that's what we do right now,
let's say that they have some

1511
01:36:34,300 --> 01:36:40,200
sort of Agenda that they're
pushing now, let's get Jeff

1512
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,400
involved, right?
So let's say that they're

1513
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:50,300
pushing that we are.
Super old hundred thousand years

1514
01:36:50,300 --> 01:36:51,000
old.
Whatever.

1515
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:55,400
And we are unique.
We are special.

1516
01:36:56,500 --> 01:37:00,000
And all of a sudden.
Now, there's another race of

1517
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:07,000
this humanoid creature big hairy
walks through the woods and has

1518
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,300
small tribes, and they're in
danger.

1519
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:17,800
Are we special anymore?
Can they can they still hold the

1520
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:21,100
pressure over us?
Do they have that grasp on us

1521
01:37:21,100 --> 01:37:26,100
anymore?
Are we are we special Jeff jump?

1522
01:37:26,100 --> 01:37:31,900
In II know you're thinking this
this is an interesting idea but

1523
01:37:31,900 --> 01:37:34,100
I don't think that that's at
all.

1524
01:37:34,100 --> 01:37:36,500
Why you?
They have these giant swaths of

1525
01:37:36,500 --> 01:37:41,200
land that it's because we don't
go to people going to say

1526
01:37:41,500 --> 01:37:45,900
probably just because they have
Grid deep underground, military

1527
01:37:45,900 --> 01:37:47,600
bases.
On a lot of those areas and

1528
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:52,200
that's probably where they allow
their high-tech tr3 bees and

1529
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,400
other technology to fly in and
out.

1530
01:37:54,500 --> 01:37:56,200
And they don't want anybody to
see that.

1531
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:58,800
So that's my opinion.
But your ideas.

1532
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,800
I mean, well, no, it's not my
idea I'm not going to take

1533
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,300
credit for this, but this is
something that got my mind job,

1534
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,500
you know, jogging a little bit.
Maybe I went a little bit too

1535
01:38:06,500 --> 01:38:09,400
far with the whole.
Are we special thing?

1536
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:14,200
But the reality of it is is that
there would be people that are

1537
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:17,800
protesting that these these
animals are these creatures,

1538
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:21,300
these big feet, these Bigfoot,
Sasquatch has these hairy

1539
01:38:21,300 --> 01:38:24,600
humans, humanoids, whatever you
want to call them, whatever

1540
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:28,300
Camp, you're going to put them
into deserve a chunk of the

1541
01:38:28,300 --> 01:38:34,200
United States property.
Well, I mean since when does the

1542
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,800
government care about people
protest and right?

1543
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:41,200
And if you and then today,
today, in today's climate, it

1544
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:46,300
would just become a, you know, a
fake left or right issue that

1545
01:38:46,300 --> 01:38:48,600
it's that, that's true.
And that's exactly what I'm

1546
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:52,600
saying, you know, but I mean, I
know you're onto something about

1547
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:56,100
the land.
I just, I don't know, man.

1548
01:38:56,100 --> 01:38:59,600
It's You know, I've always
thought that the government has

1549
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:04,000
all this this all this land
because, you know, because of

1550
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:09,900
the, you know, the minerals and
oil and gas and all of that, and

1551
01:39:10,300 --> 01:39:14,300
I've always thought that that's
what they use is collateral for

1552
01:39:14,300 --> 01:39:19,400
their debts with the central
Bankers, you know, mean with why

1553
01:39:19,700 --> 01:39:22,400
what, why do they keep printing
money and printing money and

1554
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,500
printing money and print money?
Because it's because somebody,

1555
01:39:24,500 --> 01:39:27,200
we've got some collateral there
with all that land.

1556
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:30,900
And in what's underneath it?
So you know what I've always

1557
01:39:30,900 --> 01:39:33,200
believed.
Yeah, that's actually a fact

1558
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:34,700
that more and I don't want to
get into a whole bunch of

1559
01:39:34,700 --> 01:39:36,500
politics and stuff.
But that is a fact because

1560
01:39:36,500 --> 01:39:42,100
they're actually giving a lot of
that land to places like the

1561
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:43,400
PRC.
Right.

1562
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:44,300
Right.
Right.

1563
01:39:44,300 --> 01:39:46,600
Public of China.
So, I mean that's definitely a

1564
01:39:46,608 --> 01:39:50,100
thing.
But yeah, I think they just they

1565
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:51,800
close off big swaths of land
person.

1566
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:53,800
I just think it's because
they're hiding other things,

1567
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:56,100
right?
They got Technologies and bases

1568
01:39:56,100 --> 01:39:58,700
that you can't go you they can't
even risk you seeing it.

1569
01:39:58,700 --> 01:40:04,100
So they got 5,000 square miles
blocked off with no fire Towers.

1570
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:07,400
So nobody can see the technology
coming in and out.

1571
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:09,300
That's kind of what I think
about it.

1572
01:40:09,300 --> 01:40:13,600
But I just want to propose the
one quick idea that maybe just

1573
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:17,300
maybe in this is whoo.
Maybe the government does know

1574
01:40:17,300 --> 01:40:22,200
about big It but maybe they know
that their inner earth beings so

1575
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:24,900
they can't.
They cannot tell us because

1576
01:40:24,900 --> 01:40:27,700
these beings aren't necessarily
surface dwellers.

1577
01:40:27,700 --> 01:40:30,000
They come up but maybe they're
not from up.

1578
01:40:30,300 --> 01:40:33,800
Maybe they're from down within
and they got to keep that

1579
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:37,500
hush-hush.
That's another big theory about

1580
01:40:37,500 --> 01:40:40,200
that.
The the vastness of space,

1581
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:42,600
that's out there in these
national parks is that there

1582
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,600
could be portals, whether it be
two different dimensions or

1583
01:40:45,900 --> 01:40:49,200
Pathways to enter Earth.
I mean there that's a whole

1584
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,200
nother episode that we can get
into and I love to do it.

1585
01:40:52,900 --> 01:40:55,400
But just to kind of give you a
little bit of background behind

1586
01:40:55,400 --> 01:41:02,600
this question there, Denver So
since starting this podcast,

1587
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,700
I've noticed a few things.
Especially when it comes to

1588
01:41:05,700 --> 01:41:10,700
Bigfoot and pictures, right?
So one, is that every three to

1589
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:14,100
nine months, you can it's like
clockwork, right?

1590
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:21,800
You can expect one of four sets
of pictures to make big news in

1591
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:23,400
the Bigfoot world.
Yes.

1592
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:28,200
Facebook that look at this
sighting that's out of Alabama.

1593
01:41:28,300 --> 01:41:31,300
And then another another page
going to say it's out of

1594
01:41:31,300 --> 01:41:32,700
Connecticut.
Another page going to say it's

1595
01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:35,300
obvious on Kota another page
going to say is all about of

1596
01:41:35,300 --> 01:41:36,800
Alabama.
Yeah it's always the same

1597
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:41,200
picture that you saw six months
ago from Las Vegas you know and

1598
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:43,900
and then there's going to be you
know you go back six more months

1599
01:41:43,900 --> 01:41:47,200
in those pictures are being
posted again coming out of

1600
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:55,800
Arizona and Canadia from North
and the Guatemala and all this,

1601
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:59,100
you know, craziness, that's one
thing that you can count on,

1602
01:41:59,100 --> 01:42:01,700
right?
But one thing that that does

1603
01:42:01,700 --> 01:42:05,700
kind of shocked me and this is
where I'm kind of I don't know.

1604
01:42:05,708 --> 01:42:07,800
Maybe I'm talking to Jeff little
bit too much.

1605
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:09,700
I wish I had some tin foil here
to put it.

1606
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:16,600
Put my hat on but Even the
pictures I've never seen before,

1607
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,600
right?
Like there was a really, really

1608
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:24,400
clear picture taken, and it was
kind of making the rounds a

1609
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:28,300
couple days ago.
And I actually posted it on the

1610
01:42:28,300 --> 01:42:31,100
group I said, hey, can you help
you help this out right?

1611
01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:35,000
And instantly.
Start remembering Cayman.

1612
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:42,100
Somebody came in and actually,
the original poster of it from

1613
01:42:42,100 --> 01:42:46,000
another group came in and said,
oh, it's from Mockumentary.

1614
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:50,300
And I've never heard of this
mockumentary, never heard of it.

1615
01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:53,500
And I'm not saying that I'm
hearing of every single

1616
01:42:53,500 --> 01:42:58,300
documentary mockumentary of
Bigfoot ever, but I, I dabble,

1617
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:02,400
right?
And it just seems and this isn't

1618
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,200
the only case.
There's a lot of these things

1619
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:05,800
that go on, right?
And I'm not going to know if

1620
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:10,800
every single thing out there but
it's every picture that hits the

1621
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:15,600
scene gets debunked like that.
And it's just so quick.

1622
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,200
Super, super cool.
Rick, right?

1623
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,700
And all of a sudden, everyone's
got all this evidence just piled

1624
01:43:21,700 --> 01:43:27,600
up.
And somebody in one of them made

1625
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:32,500
a comment of yet, the government
got to this one too.

1626
01:43:33,300 --> 01:43:36,600
And I'm like, right.
So I'm reading the chain of

1627
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:40,300
conversation and the guys
explaining he's like, yeah, the

1628
01:43:40,300 --> 01:43:42,900
government doesn't want anybody
to know that Bigfoot exists.

1629
01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:45,700
So whenever one of these really
good pictures come out all of a

1630
01:43:45,700 --> 01:43:49,100
sudden now that it's from a
mockumentary and there's one

1631
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:52,500
really shitty website for this
really shitty mockumentary that

1632
01:43:52,500 --> 01:43:56,700
has these Photos as the only
thing that shows up when you

1633
01:43:56,700 --> 01:43:59,800
Google this mockumentary, I'm
like, wow.

1634
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:04,400
So I Google the mockumentary and
what shows up, only the pictures

1635
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,100
that are in that Facebook post.
Nothing else.

1636
01:44:07,500 --> 01:44:10,700
Can't find where to watch.
It can't find where, you know,

1637
01:44:10,700 --> 01:44:13,500
where I was made.
When it was made, anything just

1638
01:44:13,500 --> 01:44:16,500
pictures from the mockumentary,
can't find it.

1639
01:44:16,700 --> 01:44:18,400
Can't find out.
You two can't find nothing.

1640
01:44:18,900 --> 01:44:25,600
So the question that came to my
head is, Is somebody out there

1641
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:29,800
like is their job to sit there
and comb through all these

1642
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:36,900
stupid Facebook pages of, you
know, these these desk

1643
01:44:38,100 --> 01:44:42,600
cryptozoologist that are just
finding pictures on on the web

1644
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:46,500
and just posting it on the
Facebook, is their job to sit

1645
01:44:46,500 --> 01:44:50,300
there and debunk these before
they get hot before.

1646
01:44:50,300 --> 01:44:52,400
Anybody takes a chance?
I mean, who knows?

1647
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:56,800
Maybe we've seen Dozen pictures
of a real Bigfoot but it's been

1648
01:44:56,900 --> 01:45:00,600
debunked before.
It got too hot and all the

1649
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:03,300
evidence and I think Denver's
right man.

1650
01:45:03,300 --> 01:45:06,500
I think the government has more
incentive to to say that they

1651
01:45:06,500 --> 01:45:10,800
exist that they exist, right?
You could take over more land.

1652
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:15,800
You could, you know, you take
over more land, you close off

1653
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:19,700
the block of the national parks
to save money.

1654
01:45:19,700 --> 01:45:21,300
If nothing else.
Right?

1655
01:45:21,300 --> 01:45:25,600
You know you just you can save
If some of your resources, I

1656
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:29,700
mean, I just don't think it.
What is the incentive for the

1657
01:45:29,700 --> 01:45:35,000
government to, you know, unless
it's like what you said, which I

1658
01:45:35,008 --> 01:45:37,600
think is very far-fetched.
That there's, you know, that

1659
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:41,400
there's tribes of these
Bigfoot's that don't want rights

1660
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:45,100
and land and everything.
I mean, I just can't think what,

1661
01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:49,000
what's the, you know, what's the
incentive for the government?

1662
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:52,000
To, you know, I mean, they're
pretty busy, you know, with

1663
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:57,200
regime change You know printing
money and you know taking away

1664
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:00,800
our rights and yeah I mean
they're pretty they're pretty

1665
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:04,800
busy doing shitty stuff.
Is it is I think yes they have a

1666
01:46:04,808 --> 01:46:08,000
lot and I'm not I'm not saying
that this is what I believe.

1667
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:11,200
Okay I'm bringing you know I get
it I get it conversation

1668
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:14,800
purposes but what are our
resident child has something to

1669
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:21,100
say, I'll just kidding good.
That's that's one comment from

1670
01:46:21,100 --> 01:46:24,500
one guy, who thinks it's the
government that Absolutely,

1671
01:46:24,500 --> 01:46:29,300
who's not, who's saying, that's
not the same guy, who made the

1672
01:46:29,300 --> 01:46:32,800
pictures, made the shitty
website, made the shitty,

1673
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:36,600
mockumentary that doesn't exist,
right?

1674
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:43,500
So I'm I see where that guy is
coming from and I understand his

1675
01:46:43,500 --> 01:46:48,200
thought process there, but I'm
citing a little more with Denver

1676
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:49,500
here.
What's the point?

1677
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:52,100
What?
Where's, what is the gain here?

1678
01:46:52,100 --> 01:46:57,300
There is no gain other.
Then control Mass distraction

1679
01:46:57,300 --> 01:46:59,600
and control, which they already
have.

1680
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:04,800
So what's the point anymore?
But they can get more by saying

1681
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:08,300
he exists.
You can start a whole other

1682
01:47:08,300 --> 01:47:11,300
three-letter agency.
Just as Bigfoot exists, they can

1683
01:47:11,500 --> 01:47:15,900
siphon billions of dollars of Pi
RH, like you declare Bigfoot

1684
01:47:15,900 --> 01:47:16,800
exists.
Right?

1685
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:21,300
Well, he he she is an endangered
species, right?

1686
01:47:21,700 --> 01:47:26,900
And every, every state in the
Union has Bigfoot, sightings.

1687
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:30,000
So essentially, now the
government can tell you, you

1688
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,600
can't do anything with your
land.

1689
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:37,300
I mean, you gain way more power
by declaring Bigfoot and

1690
01:47:37,300 --> 01:47:40,500
endangered, species than you do
by denying it.

1691
01:47:40,500 --> 01:47:46,200
I mean, you know, just think of
all the bullshit you got to do

1692
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:53,900
to build a deck.
I mean, now, imagine it now now

1693
01:47:53,900 --> 01:47:56,500
imagine if the, you know, if the
government so, well, you

1694
01:47:56,500 --> 01:48:00,200
potentially might have a Bigfoot
in your backyard.

1695
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:02,700
So we got to do an environmental
impacts.

1696
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:04,800
Study.
I mean, there's they, they

1697
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:08,100
gained way more power by
admitting Bigfoot exists.

1698
01:48:09,900 --> 01:48:16,900
I don't, I don't disagree with
you now, the only part of this

1699
01:48:16,900 --> 01:48:20,700
that I do sort of believe in.
I'm not going to say sort of,

1700
01:48:21,700 --> 01:48:27,300
there's got to be some reason
why the topics not taken

1701
01:48:27,300 --> 01:48:30,100
seriously.
And I'm only saying this from

1702
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,800
the point of view of somebody
who truly does believe that when

1703
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:35,400
they were nine years old, they
saw Bigfoot.

1704
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:40,500
Like I said playing times on the
show, it's not a mystery to me.

1705
01:48:40,500 --> 01:48:45,100
I know they're out there.
They're they're, you know, it's

1706
01:48:45,100 --> 01:48:47,600
not necessarily my job to
convince others that it is

1707
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:52,300
there.
But I do love to dive into the

1708
01:48:52,300 --> 01:48:56,800
theories and everything.
I don't think that the

1709
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:05,500
government is is a blocking off
massive chunks of the National

1710
01:49:05,500 --> 01:49:08,400
parks for things, such as like
portals to the underworld and

1711
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,200
stuff like that.
I believe that Theodore

1712
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:15,000
Roosevelt when he built or, you
know, came up with the idea of

1713
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:22,600
the national park system did
have in mind, some mythological

1714
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:25,500
creatures and I think that
Bigfoot may have been one of

1715
01:49:25,508 --> 01:49:29,600
those because in his in his
book, The Wilderness Hunter, he

1716
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:34,400
tells a story of I am not going
to butcher the names right now.

1717
01:49:34,500 --> 01:49:38,500
Now, but somebody else's story
involving a Bigfoot and Theodore

1718
01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:42,000
Roosevelt has been tied to many
other Cryptids such as the

1719
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:46,500
snallygaster wanting to actually
go and hunt the thing and

1720
01:49:46,500 --> 01:49:51,800
Bigfoot itself.
And I think that the whole

1721
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:56,200
National Park system is tied
into Bigfoot, that is something

1722
01:49:56,200 --> 01:50:01,800
I do believe because my sighting
actually happened fairly close

1723
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:05,600
to not a national park.
But it was definitely a plot of

1724
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:08,500
land where it was put aside by
the government for sure.

1725
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:14,900
What if the national parks?
You how you were saying that

1726
01:50:14,900 --> 01:50:18,300
like we would give them land
rights to land and what that and

1727
01:50:18,300 --> 01:50:21,000
whatnot?
What what if that is already,

1728
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:25,300
what the deal is that and that
could be, that could be.

1729
01:50:25,700 --> 01:50:28,700
But then you have to say that
there has to there had to have

1730
01:50:28,700 --> 01:50:32,200
been intelligent conversations
between human beings and Bigfoot

1731
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:38,600
and I'm not one to subscribe to
Bigfoot being and human

1732
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:42,200
intelligence level.
I just don't want to cover up

1733
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:46,900
which Yeah, which is why, you
know what gain is there?

1734
01:50:47,300 --> 01:50:52,800
I basically asked that question
because when Denver sees those

1735
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:55,700
posts on infrared, always the
first one to call bullshit.

1736
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:57,900
I love that.
So I figured I'd poke the bear

1737
01:50:57,900 --> 01:51:02,100
today and get to Denver all
riled up Denver how do you feel

1738
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:04,900
you feel good?
Oh yeah.

1739
01:51:05,300 --> 01:51:09,900
Oh yeah you know I you know did
you know you get a little jaded

1740
01:51:09,900 --> 01:51:11,700
with some of this stuff, you
know?

1741
01:51:11,700 --> 01:51:15,400
Wow that's it.
You know, you just, you know,

1742
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:19,400
you get, you get the people on
Twitter and YouTube, like, if

1743
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:22,700
you're, if you're just like,
well, you know, you just mention

1744
01:51:22,700 --> 01:51:25,500
the obvious right that.
Well, hey, there's really no

1745
01:51:25,500 --> 01:51:29,700
definitive of evidence.
And I mean, I've had people

1746
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:35,700
like, accuse me of like, being a
page Hill for the government.

1747
01:51:35,700 --> 01:51:37,000
I'm like, what are you talking
about?

1748
01:51:38,300 --> 01:51:53,600
It's like, I definitely do that.
I believe in Bigfoot I just, you

1749
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:59,300
know, I just you know, I'm just
not gonna sit here and and cry

1750
01:51:59,900 --> 01:52:03,300
government cover-up discos,
we've not, you know, found any

1751
01:52:03,300 --> 01:52:08,700
definitive evidence, you know,
shut up digital assassin for for

1752
01:52:08,700 --> 01:52:10,600
the show.
Comment, you know, fuck that

1753
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:21,200
guy, we I've also been a bushels
and pogs, but I'm one that

1754
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:27,900
believes I am more In the Flesh
and Blood camp and I don't

1755
01:52:27,900 --> 01:52:31,300
necessarily believe that there's
too much conspiracy behind the

1756
01:52:31,300 --> 01:52:33,600
topic of Bigfoot, but I do
believe that the government is

1757
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:39,000
aware of their existence.
And there is for some reason why

1758
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:40,400
they're just not talking about
it.

1759
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:42,700
I don't know what it is.
Couldn't tell you.

1760
01:52:43,700 --> 01:52:49,600
Honestly don't have any wild
imagination ideas about why I do

1761
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:51,800
find it kind of funny that
there's massive chunks of

1762
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:55,900
national parks cut off.
But I'm pretty straightforward

1763
01:52:55,900 --> 01:53:01,500
with my beliefs on Bigfoot.
I'm just happy that I got to

1764
01:53:01,700 --> 01:53:02,900
poke the bear a little bit
there.

1765
01:53:02,900 --> 01:53:03,900
Denver.
Thank you.

1766
01:53:04,700 --> 01:53:08,400
It's always fun.
Does anybody have any questions

1767
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:11,000
for Denver before we cut them
out of here?

1768
01:53:12,900 --> 01:53:16,100
Only thing I would like to say,
as I said earlier, Denver next

1769
01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:18,400
time, you're down here in
Florida, give me a shout, maybe

1770
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:21,100
we'll do that.
Cassadaga trip and go look for

1771
01:53:21,100 --> 01:53:23,700
some ghosts over there, man.
Yeah, yeah, definitely man.

1772
01:53:23,700 --> 01:53:25,800
Ugh.
And I will be back to Florida at

1773
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:27,700
some point.
So I'll look you up.

1774
01:53:28,500 --> 01:53:30,500
Sounds good.
I just landed a job in

1775
01:53:30,500 --> 01:53:32,600
Wisconsin.
So if you're ever up there, let

1776
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:34,700
me know.
Okay, yeah.

1777
01:53:34,700 --> 01:53:38,100
Well actually probably will be
up there and in the summer

1778
01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:40,300
sometime.
Hey, that's what I'm going to be

1779
01:53:40,300 --> 01:53:44,300
here.
Um, all right.

1780
01:53:44,300 --> 01:53:46,200
Cool.
Denver, why don't you go ahead

1781
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:49,700
and take a moment to drop all
your information?

1782
01:53:49,700 --> 01:53:52,400
Let people know where they can
find you where they can follow

1783
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:55,600
you, where they can contact you,
where they can see your bright

1784
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:57,400
and smiling face every day.
Go ahead.

1785
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:00,700
All right.
Yeah, I'm most active on

1786
01:54:00,700 --> 01:54:03,900
Twitter.
So if you want the best

1787
01:54:03,900 --> 01:54:07,400
interaction, Twitter underscore,
Denver Michaels.

1788
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:11,200
I've got a Facebook page author,
Denver Michaels.

1789
01:54:12,700 --> 01:54:17,400
YouTube channel that nobody
really subscribes to just look

1790
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:21,600
author Denver Michaels on
YouTube and my website Denver

1791
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:26,200
Michael's dotnet and you can
find all my books on Amazon.

1792
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:30,200
Right on.
And then before you go I have to

1793
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:33,200
do this the Shameless thing and
get you to say, hello to my mom.

1794
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:35,900
Oh I forgot.
I meant to do that in the

1795
01:54:35,900 --> 01:54:40,800
opening but hello mrs.
Jeremy's mom could do it again

1796
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:52,400
and then go ahead and say hey to
Danny to Danny, what up Dan Dan?

1797
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:56,200
He's a big fan of you to know
Denver.

1798
01:54:56,500 --> 01:54:59,900
Always a pleasure, man.
It was nice to get a little bit

1799
01:54:59,900 --> 01:55:04,600
more background on you.
And next time, I mean, I still

1800
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:09,200
didn't ask half my questions,
so, you know, we'll let some

1801
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:14,600
time pass by and we'll get you
back on here and we'll pick up

1802
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:15,500
right?
Where we left off.

1803
01:55:15,500 --> 01:55:18,500
And yeah, man.
Anytime y'all want to talk, you

1804
01:55:18,500 --> 01:55:21,300
know, how to get ahold of me.
Well, I appreciate you.

1805
01:55:21,300 --> 01:55:24,500
Does anybody else have anything
to say before I log off go by

1806
01:55:24,500 --> 01:55:26,200
Denver's books?
Yeah.

1807
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:31,900
They're they're they're awesome
and you know kind of one-sided

1808
01:55:31,900 --> 01:55:35,500
here because I love books but
Denver does such a good job of

1809
01:55:35,500 --> 01:55:39,100
mixing the world of things that
we talk about all the time in

1810
01:55:39,100 --> 01:55:41,600
with history.
And if you're, if you have any

1811
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:44,800
interest in history and
obviously if you're listening to

1812
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:47,300
this the show you have an
interest in the Paranormal

1813
01:55:47,300 --> 01:55:52,500
Supernatural that he's the guy.
You need, you need to go check

1814
01:55:52,500 --> 01:55:55,500
out his stuff, okay?
Denver Michaels is books are all

1815
01:55:55,500 --> 01:55:57,600
over Amazon.
Super easy to find.

1816
01:55:57,700 --> 01:56:04,200
They're great reads and he's a
super like easy to talk to.

1817
01:56:04,700 --> 01:56:10,000
I mean when I first reached out
to Denver, he was extremely fast

1818
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,000
to say yes.
I'll come on your show even when

1819
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,700
we were an unproven little
nothing show.

1820
01:56:16,100 --> 01:56:19,100
And he came on and talk to me,
like, we were old friends.

1821
01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:24,300
And here, we are over a year
later, and I have had them on

1822
01:56:24,300 --> 01:56:26,300
for, on the show, for the third
time now.

1823
01:56:26,700 --> 01:56:32,100
And it won't be the last.
So Denver, thank you so much.

1824
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:35,700
Once more for, not only coming
on now, becoming on in the past

1825
01:56:35,700 --> 01:56:39,500
and lighting up the infinite
Rabbit Hole group page with all

1826
01:56:39,500 --> 01:56:42,600
your awesome articles that you
find and the blog's that you

1827
01:56:42,608 --> 01:56:45,400
post.
Thank you so much.

1828
01:56:45,500 --> 01:56:50,000
And on behalf of everybody here,
I would like to say thank you to

1829
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:53,200
The Listener and the viewer over
at watching the Paranormal

1830
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:56,300
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1831
01:56:56,400 --> 01:57:00,800
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1832
01:57:01,100 --> 01:57:03,300
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1833
01:57:03,300 --> 01:57:05,700
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1834
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,400
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1835
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:11,300
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is hiding Bigfoot?

1836
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,000
Is there something that we did
not talk about?

1837
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:16,300
Do you have a reference?
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1838
01:57:16,500 --> 01:57:20,700
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1839
01:57:20,700 --> 01:57:22,500
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1840
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:26,200
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1841
01:57:26,500 --> 01:57:29,600
And, and talk about how, you
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1842
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:31,500
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1843
01:57:31,500 --> 01:57:34,700
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1844
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1845
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1859
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1860
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1861
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1863
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1864
01:58:37,500 --> 01:58:40,200
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1865
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1866
01:58:44,700 --> 01:58:47,000
Yeah, digital assassin.
This is your chance.

1867
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:50,000
No, some hate mail up, that'd be
funny.

1868
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:53,800
Hey, this is your listen to the
city.

1869
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:55,800
Podcast in the world.
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1870
01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,600
Good luck.
But all right, that's it.

1871
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:04,000
I'm not going to say here and
just keep talking and listening

1872
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:06,600
to my own voice because I love
it.

1873
01:59:07,100 --> 01:59:11,100
God, yeah, you do that usually
anyway, but you talk a lot.

1874
01:59:11,100 --> 01:59:14,500
Jeremy definitely.
Thanks, guys.

1875
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,000
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1876
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:20,700
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1877
01:59:20,700 --> 01:59:22,700
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1878
01:59:23,200 --> 01:59:25,900
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Next path of the infinite Rabbit

1879
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Bye-bye.