Researcher Spotlight: Denver Michaels

0:00 Greetings everyone, I'm Declassified Dave, 1/3 of the hush-hush society conspiracy our podcast and you're listening to infinite rabbit hole. Welcome back to the infinite Rabbit Hole. I'm your host Jeremy.

0:44 And today we have a special guest, but before we get into that, I like to say welcome back to the Paranormal Network as well. It's been quite the ride so far, awesome stuff. We love it here. We feel like it's home and we feel like we've finally found the place we belong. Before we get into all the really exciting stuff for tonight and the true topic, let's go ahead and get everybody brought in. Let's talk about big sweaty Jake. It's going on man. See your muscles. Ripping through your shirt. Oh yes yes so strong in this silly infant Rabbit Hole shirt. Now I'm good just got out of PT jump in the shower and I'm here, and I'm stoked for this weekend. I get to go do a trout fishing competition with my dad, pair it in with a Christian men's Retreat.

1:30 So it should be cool. So, rolling up there to Fresno. Here tomorrow and then on Friday he and I are jetting up to him like so I'm pretty stoked for the weekend. A lot of good stuff. Planned any Bigfoot out there. Probably not right where the right where the campsite is it's been there for about 100 years and it's pretty pretty popular over there, but around that area, it's fairly remote. So maybe on the outskirts and stuff but none of the wildlife really come into the camp area even though the cabins are pretty spread out and stuff because usually a bunch of like, there's usually a bunch of like, kids out there and stuff because they have a bunch of, you know, Middle School and High School Retreats and stuff like that. So a bunch of kids screaming and At night and then people shooting guns and stuff.

2:15 There's probably not a lot of Sasquatch activity, right near the area but outside sure. So no Wildlife coming into the camp. But is there going to be any Jake's going into? The wild depends on how hot the fishing is, I suppose if you're absolutely killing it, I mean, they stock they stock that Lake last year. I think the, the biggest rainbow trout that was caught, that got the prize for the longest was like seven inches. So it's like they put some big old fish in that thing. So if the fishing is just killing it or I'm probably not going to be wandering around. We'll see right on. Well let's go ahead and bring in the next host.

2:57 Kinds are, how are you? You've been promoted? Yes, yes. I've gone up rank been promoted from Kid, the child. Oh, that doesn't, that's not as catchy though. I then, I'm all right. I just finished my dinner, so I'm Full and full of energy and food and ready to go. Was it french fries and gravy soup? Yeah. Was it really? It was my poutine. Yes, I had poutine for dinner. So for all the Americans that don't know what that is. Come on. Can you please explain it? It is literally just french fries covered in cheese curds and gravy if you haven't tried it. Do it.

3:45 You're welcome. It's a Canadian thing, everybody. It's delicious. It is the best I heard that you have to like slurp it like like an, you know, an Asian countries. Where you slurp your soup. No, that's not. That's not a requirement if you want it to ain't gonna judge you but it's not a requirement by any means and most people would probably ask you not to. So here in America, we have pie eating contest right where it be tie people's hands behind their backs. Do you guys do that with poutine? No no it didn't. Peter bags like four horses or like with oats and they strap them to their heads and they just eat it all day long. I also her now. No.

4:26 No. These are stereotypical rumors. All right, moving on. Moving on to Jeff with no hat. Jeff know how are you doing? Yes, I am Jeff with no hat today. I shaved my head last night I also trimmed the beard down. No it's like you're ever looking at a man. Ending up but his head's on upside-down still pool. And voluptuous is always but it is not quite as gangly as it was getting. You want to make a good mermaid, Jeff? Wow. Yeah, you would. Yeah, you would strap a fish top on him. He'll be fine. I'm here man.

5:08 I'm good. Today was a good day worked like always, I finally hit 1000 Tick-Tock followers again. So give it Two days, and I'll probably be banned again from another account, but it's been fun. But I'm working. They follow you Shadow ban underscore podcast and Shadow underscore band, underscore podcast, try a mixture of those words and you'll find something that's some Peter, it's there, it's whatever it is. I won't be there for long. I promise is a be the third account. So like I said, I give it two or three days and I'll be done. So, all right. Well, nobody cares about us, what they care about is our guest. So Let me go ahead and bring in our special guest today with a nice little write-up that I did for him. Just like I always do Today we have a different and special episode for you.

5:57 We start a new series that we are calling the researcher Spotlight series. And today, we welcome back an infinite Rabbit Hole. Favorite mr. Denver Michaels. Denver is an author blogger and researcher who has published 10 different books diving into, not only the world of the Paranormal and Supernatural but also into the history tied to subjects and locations involved. Denver has made two other appearances on our Audio. Only episodes to talk about particular books of his. But today we bring him on to do something a little different today, we dive into the Half that Denver took to become the author and investigator he is today the stories behind some of his favorite experiences and his personal beliefs.

6:40 In these amazing topics, I am proud to be able to welcome back. A good friend of ours, Denver Michaels. Welcome back to the infant Rebels, sir. Hey man, it's good to be good to be back with you. This is something I've been wanting to do for a long time. Like I said, they're in the intro, I've had Denver on a couple times where, you know, we're talking about a book that He that he put out, which is always fun. Everyone knows I love books, I read them and Denver's one of my favorite authors. If not my absolute favorite, he does amazing work tying in the Supernatural and history but Denver I am extremely excited to be able to talk to you you know as a researcher.

7:22 Yeah yeah I mean it's always fun to get on and you know not be tied to a particular book or subject, you know? So Denver, we have a whole new audience this time. Why don't you go ahead and give everybody a little bit about you a little bit of background on Denver Michaels, the researcher and author. Well you know basically I'm just a guy that writes about unexplained subjects. I'm interested in everything from lake monsters Bigfoot. You know, any kind of Cryptid to goes hauntings, that sort of thing, not real big into ufology a little bit, but, you know, I kind of stay away from that. It's ufology could.

8:15 It kind of messy but but yeah, I'm just kind of like into weird things and just just tend to write about it. I'm also also travel full-time and you know, I've got a series of books where I kind of marry my my travels and you know into the Unexplained as well. That is the detours in the Paranormal, right? Yeah. Yeah. I've got want to say yeah. Like five books in that series and its kind of They're kind of like, how do I want to say like part travel Memoir and part, you know, Cryptids and part and go see, you know, just all kinds of weird things with, you know, that I look into in various locations that I that I travel to it's fun for me to write those books because, you know, I really, really enjoy traveling and I really enjoy the Unexplained.

9:12 So it's real. It's been a lot of fun to do those Well makes out for some fantastic books. I love your books, I've had I have more of them now. Hurry, and my collection will grow. I promise you I wrote it down so I can check it out to. You can find all of his books on Amazon. I've actually got a got a new one coming out and I'm going to get you. I'm gonna get you a copy from the publisher. You know, I'm doing another book. You know, I did The Strange Tales From Virginia's mountains and I've got to Got a new one coming out about, it'll be called tentatively called Strange, Tales From Virginia's. Foothills to the coast.

9:53 So it'll cover like the whole Eastern, you know, central eastern part of Virginia. And it'll, it'll be a lot like the, you know, the other one that I did, but it's got a lot of its own little quirky thing. So I'm I'm looking forward to that one coming out. Awesome. Is that going to cover Hampton Roads to? That's where I'm at. Yeah, it'll be a little bit from just just pretty much east of the Blue Ridge. It'll pretty much beat this weird stories. You know, kind of like the first book, like one Parts going to deal with with Cryptids. Another part just like miscellaneous, weird tales and in this one it was It was kind of fun because in the in this second part of the book, I actually included a Section on just various buried, treasure Legends, throughout Virginia and the fun.

10:47 And the fun thing about buried treasure. It's one of those things like, like, once you go down the rabbit hole of buried treasure, I mean, it just like, goes into Cryptids and ghosts, and they just all this kind of weird stuff. So, I won't give too much away about it, but that's, that's kind of the synopsis of The book is going to include. Well, copy that Denver. I think that's a good segue into the rest of the episode. What do you think guys? Wonderful, I'm ready. Yeah, let's do this. What you got Jake say things. Well I was going to ask I haven't I'm writing down these book titles, I know Jeremy's, you know the guy that reads all your stuff I have not and so I'm writing them all down so I'm going to go through and I'm gonna buy these but besides your books including just Tales from that area and imagine legends from that area. Do you do any of your own investigating and looking into it and stuff?

11:51 To see if there's any like validity to these sorts of things or is just reporting on the local Legends. Yeah, I do. Yeah. I mean I absolutely you know and I don't really call myself a Bigfoot investigator or you know, Paranormal Investigator but you know, I do investigate things. I mean, you know, before I started traveling one of the big things I was into in Virginia. And this isn't as sexy as Bigfoot or dog, man. Right. But I mean, there's just always been Tales of, you know, a mountain lions, cougars in Virginia.

12:37 I can remember them, you know, my grandfather telling me about, you know, not only mountain lions and cougars down in Southwestern, Virginia, where I'm originally from and you know where my family's from but also, like black panther sightings, that sort of thing. So, one of the big things I was into, you know, before I started traveling full time and still lived in, Virginia was You know, trying to, you know, Tain, whatever evidence I could, you know that there were cougars and in Virginia. And, you know, of course, I've, you know, investigated Bigfoot sightings, you know, a lot of them, a lot of the places, you know, known for lake monsters or, you know, aquatic Cryptid. I feel like there's some level of I do experience you have to have before you call yourself a researcher, right? And it's just like it seems like it's difficult to be put in a place of just saying, like I'm just interested in a topic, right?

13:43 And I just like to look around and poke around and flip over logs and look for Footprints and stuff like that, right? Like, like, I am not a researcher. I think that Bigfoot is probably real because I saw a big old gnarly footprint, one time and heard some gnarly screams out in the woods. So I'll just like all right well, you know after After Jeremy tell me about his experience and stuff like I could consider myself someone who's interested in finding Bigfoot, bad never call myself a researcher because I'd imagine there's some level of like, you know, you gotta. I don't know interview, people are, you know, constantly be out there looking for it or something like that. So yeah, hearing Denver kind of throw it out there and just say yeah I'm not really a researcher. I just am interested in the sort of thing and, you know, it's just like all right.

14:24 Yeah, well yeah, I mean that, yeah I don't I think well Ye let me add on to that though. I think a lot of people take themselves way too seriously with this stuff. Like people really set the all, you know, like what is a cryptozoologist, right? You can't get a degree for this stuff. I mean, what our credentials, what is a researcher? What is an investigator? And, you know, a lot of people try to set themselves up as, you know, I I'm an expert because I've been doing this for 30 years. Well yeah, you've been doing this for 30 years but you still haven't really found anything.

15:10 If we're being honest, right? I know you might have it, you might have a good cast, right? That makes me kind of wonder. But nobody's really figured anything out. So I'm a big believer in. There are no experts in any of this stuff and so you know that's that's just kind of I think people take themselves way way way way too seriously and this stuff sometimes, you know, like, you know, like a lot of your hair paranormal investigators. Well, We still don't really know what a ghost is now. Do we? All right, that's true.

15:50 No, you're right. You're right there. I mean, plenty of people have their own opinions on what it could possibly be. But like the cryptozoologists that's been doing it, you know, cryptozoologist that's been doing it for 30 years home you know, call themselves an expert. I mean I think an expert might have figured it out. Well you can also call yourself if you've been doing it for 30 years Abject failure, right? Because you've not really figured anything out. I mean, people just need to come. People just need to come down with some of these titles and labels and what's what's an investigator? What's a research? Yeah. I don't really know what any of it is. I'm and that's why I say I'm just a guy that likes to write about weird stuff.

16:38 Love it. Well if it's all the same to you guys, if You know, their cryptozoological expert is someone who has yet to find the thing that they're searching, after then, all of us are experts. So, I mean, I'm down with it wearing a little little badge that says expert should make your shirt. That has that they're nice true. He's running it down. Yeah, well I didn't say that insult. Anybody out there, he's right, I guess I just want everybody to calm down some salted Denver. I'm offended. Well, you know, some of your some, somebody writes a, you know, people on like Twitter and YouTube can be pretty, they can be a lot to deal with. Yeah, no, we get it, we get it.

17:28 All right, so you should idea, I'm an expert cryptozoologists and then with a hyphen, haven't found anything yet. You do it for cryptozoologist. I don't know what investigator and you all all. All all right, all right Denver's, let's get into some of these tough questions. So how did you get into the world of the unknown? Give us the background on how to Denver become Denver. Well, I guess this is kind of one of those weird things and a lot of people kind of find it, hard to believe that. You know, I didn't I didn't have a Bigfoot sighting when I was, you know, at Boy Scout camp or I didn't, I didn't see a UFO.

18:15 When I was 10, I didn't grow up in a haunted house, you know? I didn't know, I did not have, you know, that experience that, you know, led me in this direction and that a lot of people do and, you know, a lot of people really think it's kind of weird that I would, you know, go in the direction that I am Not, you know, not not having that life-changing experience where I'm kind of spending my adult years of you know, trying to figure out what was behind it. But I you know, I really can't point to any one thing. I'll say that as a kid you know y'all are y'all are younger than me but you know like watching an episode of Super Friends you know back in 1979, you know, like the universe of Evil episode. There was like a parallel universe that you know, where there's like a bad Superman and a good Superman and it was like an evil Wonder Woman and an aqua man with an eye patch and all do it.

19:19 Just got me like really, you know, I'm like 6 years old like really wondering if there are parallel universes and, you know, I don't know. You know, obviously being that young I couldn't really, you know hash any of that out at that age but it was really like something that stuck with me. There was a like another TV show when I was a kid. I think it only lasted like a season or two is called voyagers. It was like about time travel and that really kind of stuck with me. I remember in middle school, you know, I'm checking out books on ESP, astral projection just see just see weird books.

20:01 My dad. The kind of rolled his eyes, see me? Read moment of, you know, but I was, you know, I was reading about ESP and, you know, I'd lay out lay out like spoons and, you know, like try to focus on them and like, bend them with my mind, like, like, I was reading about and, you know, I don't know, I guess it's just, I just always been open-minded. I've always believed that, you know, we just really Really don't know everything there is to know about the world that we live in. Well you know, we don't we don't know about the untapped powers and our minds and I just, I don't know, I guess I can't really explain, I guess I'm just kind of wired that way.

20:52 Or I'm wired that way. It's a good thing. Yeah, right. Yeah. I think so. I think so. Jefra Jeff sighs perked up. When you talk about astral projection and astral projection and espm and that's something that I actually have done a lot of reading on. It's super interesting stuff. So yeah, so warm, I saw hair pop up on his head. Yeah yeah, I really wish I really was for a long time, you know, like in middle school and stuff. I was really into that. And you know, I really wanted you do as read until like trying to figure out how I could. Do it was like trying to do it but I never could get it to quite work out.

21:34 But like in my adult life, you know, I have lucid dreams, you know, not like really trying to, but, you know, like, I have had had the lucid dreams several times. And, you know, that's kind of wild. Gosh, I wish that I could lucid dream. I think, if I could lose a dream, I think my life would be over. Better. I can't. Well, you just got to learn how to do it. Really? Yeah, pants we learn. No, I didn't really like, I don't really know how to do it but like there have been I'm thinking off the top of my head like three instances and I think the last time it's probably like four or five years ago but like I'm dreaming and then like something like clicks in my head and I realized Dream. Yeah, and then I like took control of my green. Of course, it was some bizarre dream, you know, like whatever I'm like lying around on a dragon or something. You know because like I like took control of my dream just like start doing what I wanted to. So I guess I wanted to act like I was in Neverending Story childhood movies or something.

22:53 But yeah, it's like yeah it's just like really, it's like really weird. But I've never really been able to figure out how to do it, like when I want to do, I'll just say that. Well, Jason do it. Don't you really good book? I would recommend here from Russell targ, the reality of ESP. It's a physicist proof of psychic abilities. Good book. Oh cool. I guess I just wrote that down. Check that out. Then we're going to have to have you on for another episode because Jeremy wants me to do an episode on lucid dreaming because I do mostly lucid dreaming. A very rarely have dreams where I don't.

23:36 Realize that I'm dreaming and that's awesome. It's not like It's like the parameters are usually set already but I can still realize that I'm dreaming and I can't roll control some things or like realize that I'm having a nightmare in this isn't real. It's like, you know, I don't see the dog that's turning into a couch and just being like, well, this is reality, you know? Like, you know, people dream. Right. And just like the you wake up was like man, that was crazy. I see that in my dream and then I'm just like, this is fake and I just like just snap. Out of it and it used to be. My trigger was my trigger used to be when I was a smoker was my white Bic lighter.

24:19 I always carried a white Bic lighter because people have this like Superstition that wife, white Bic, lighters are bad luck. So I had a white Bic because I don't believe in luck and no one would steal it. And when you're in the military like hens and lighters just go missing, right? So I would always have it in my right pocket and like that was my my trigger was to know. It was. Did I snap out of it was that I would feel in my right pocket. And if I didn't have that bik, I knew I was dreaming because I always carried around military people and our uniforms and stuff we always carry around our lighters because if we get little fuzzies and stuff on our cuffs and everything, we burn them off with a lighters. So I'd always have it in my uniform and then I'd always have it in my civilian clothes because I was a smoker right side. Light up a cigarette when walking around, whatever doing whatever, right?

25:07 So that was my, my trigger was to reach in my pocket realize I don't have my Here and then I would snap out of it and then it just became so common. That I was just like, I didn't need that anymore to realize that this is absolutely a dream. This is not reality when or when I own it, right? So Jeremy wants me to do an episode on lucid dreaming and we're definitely going to have to have you back on just like so you can share a couple of these experiences and stuff because it's like yeah I mean at first it's not like a trained how to do it I just could do it right? And then and yeah took me rise a little bit to Realize what was going on and stuff and then it's like, oh this is interesting. And then I found out that this is a common or not super common but people can do this as well.

25:50 It's like that one medical thing that you have or you're just like there's no way anyone else is dealing with the exact same thing as me like my earlobe, grew three sizes overnight and then you find out that like ten percent of the world has like this earlobe problem in, you're like, ah, thank goodness. I'm not crazy, right? So it just like same sort of a thing. I'm just like, oh sweet. I'm not the only one. So, Not, you know, dealing with mental health issues. Fantastic, you know? But yeah. So very cool. Yeah. Right on. Hmm. What about you kid or child? Or just doesn't have quite the same ring to it. You're right. We're going back.

26:33 Rather be kid. Oh no, I got nothing so far. All right, well, Enjoying the conversation thus far, so Denver. Can you tell us a little bit about any personal experiences but the supernatural you may have had in your life. Have you had anything? Well, you know, God, I think I shared it with you. Like, you know, where I saw that. I'm guessing it was a ghost just freaking walking right out in front of my truck like it 3:30 in the morning. You did tell me about that remember yeah, remember that.

27:14 Yeah and I yeah I'm actually like you know including that story and know it in a book but yeah so like one thing I remember was And when was this, this was, this would have been early, 2000's, I guess. And, you know, I'm, I used to work like really weird hours and, you know, I work night shift a lot and even when I went on night shift, you know, I was always, you know, up at 2:30 3:00 in the morning driving into were commuting long distances, blah, blah blah. But, you know, you just see some like weird stuff when you, when you're out on the The road sometimes and like this this one is one morning and it's right around 3:30 3:45 I guess you know I'm just driving along and like this dude just and and he was like just like but like you just like materialize like right in front of my truck, you know? And and this is like out in the middle of nowhere like on It's a main road in Virginia but there's no like development or anything there there's like no houses or anything and then he just like he kind of like I remember he's like kind of like ducks is kind of like had his head down like this and he just like walking diagonally, you

28:47 know, like across the road and I'm like, I slam on my brakes and I like I don't even know how I didn't hit him. Right. And I mean he's like, Like, like when I go past him, he's like, you know, just inches like from from, from my truck and, you know, I'm kind of like fishtailing and, you know, in a skid and all that and, and like, I'm looking through my mirrors and like, he's just gone. I mean, like gone and there's like, nowhere. He could be know where he came from or was going, you know, there's just No way it was anything other than just like, you know, just like an apparition or something.

29:34 It's just kind of really freaked me out. And I mean, I remembering clears day. You know, he was probably about 61-62 had, like, had a mullet, you know, like sandy-colored hair, you know, looked like he was like, straight out in 1992, you know, he had, he had like a bug. Gray Pocket, tee shirt and like, Like faded blue jeans and his again, I'm dating myself I'm kind of old. Y'all wouldn't really remember this? But didn't the 90s you know, people used to roll their short sleeves up. Ya know like you know. But yeah, that's something people did you know, back in the night haven't and it looked like it, you know, pack it up pack of cigarettes and is, you know, t-shirt block. I mean, I remember him just like just like, just like yesterday. You know, and it was just a just like a weird that that was like, one of the, like the earliest things. I, you know, I can really remember. I mean, you know, I think I had, you know, since some few weird things happen as a kid.

30:45 I don't really, you know, you never really know if you can like Trust of those things or not, you know, when you're a kid but you know I mean like out out on the road here like I think like I feel like the wife and I probably had a sighting of the flat Flathead Lake Monster, but I mean, you know, I mean, I wouldn't like bet my house on it or anything, you know. It's like we, you know, we saw this multi hump looking thing out in Flathead Lake when we were there back in 2021 and like all of a In it like it's kind of like sank down, you know, I mean wouldn't wouldn't like a wake or anything, you know just I think it was the I think it was the monster but I don't know.

31:40 I mean I sent you know maybe I'm just maybe I'm just seeing things but she saw it too and she don't care about none of this stuff. You know what I mean? It's like I'm the I'm the only weirdo that cares about this stuff. She couldn't care less but she couldn't because she told me like we're driving along. Ang and she's like, are you seeing that? I'm like, yeah, but I didn't want to say nothing, you know, who knows? Maybe it was something. Maybe who knows? I know how it feels mines. The same way. My wife is just like I don't care, but she supports him listen to show. So thank you all that, love you. That's you know, that's how that's how my old lady is and and and I guess that's good if we were both a couple cooped, you know, it wouldn't be good for either one of us. Right to be fun.

32:35 So good just I was going to say I got like a weird thing. I think I've talked about this before on the show, but you know, I believe a lot of crazy stuff. Everybody listening knows. Yeah. Right. I'm getting more into the Cryptids just because of you guys, right? I'm starting to believe more of that than I did a year ago. But when it comes to ghosts, I'm still maybe it's just a mental block for me, but I just have, like, I don't get, I don't buy it. I'm not saying like, you know, your experience, for instance isn't true or whatever. I just like, for me personally, I just saw the biggest question. I have is why is it always at night? Why don't you ever see a ghost walking around 2:00 in the afternoon in somewhere like a freaking Walmart, right?

33:21 Where there's plenty of people people do actually but do they I mean, maybe I'm just You know, I don't dig into the Paranormal, so maybe that's why I don't have never heard of these stories, but it seems to me that it's not something that just happens at Disney not do. Well, I mean, buying I mean, by enlarge your right, and but I think a lot of that were people are looking for stuff at night. I think that's more and like, like everybody goes Bigfoot hunting at night, right? Like like like why? I mean but you can't freaking see at night and really see anything. Think you got you got to get these flashlights and stuff out that she's gonna learn anything. It's going to alert anything from, you know, hundreds and hundreds of yards away.

34:10 But I think so. I think a lot of that the the night investigations or the nighttime Bigfoot, hunts. I think a lot of that's just been popularized by these TV shows which did it, you know, because of the you know, the scare Factor, right? It's a little more spooky but you know I can tell you that people do have their daytime ghost, you know, Ghost Encounters and things. Uh, you know, my my sister-in-law like had an encounter like actually like where a lady walked up to her, like handed her, I don't remember the whole story I'm, you know, because it's been many many years since I sent As I heard it, but handed her, like I want to say like it was like a necklace or like a pendant or something and you know, she said. So I don't remember what she said to her, but it was actually like like in a hospital and then you know, she turned around and the lady just letting you know, vanished and you know you. So you know, those those things, you know, people do have those Encounters in the daytime.

35:22 So I mean, I'm not saying you're not right to be skeptical. To go sore or paranormal, or what have you, you know, that, that that school? There's, there's plenty of holes in it, but people do have daytime experiences. Fair enough. Yeah. Maybe I just haven't seen it because I don't think into the topic very much. Yeah. I mean, and, and like I said, there's there's plenty of holes and ghost. So you're not wrong due to be skeptical of certain things. Well, let's be honest, there's plenty of holes in a lot of this stuff. Wow, all these extra stuff. I bring up, bro. Everything I bring up is 100% 100% solid space take for sure.

36:03 What's this? Go ahead Jake. Well I was going to say that all of my experiences with that sort of stuff has been at night, but in very well lit areas. So like not see-through apparitions, but like I could see them and then they were here anymore. And that one even I'm even still in the same boat as Jeff and I'm like, either it's demonic or is my mind playing tricks on me and you know, I've had some pretty would be very convincing circumstances like when I was over at that barracks and Oceania as the BPO doing the midnight. 208.

36:51 Watch and And that one Barracks. The 431 used to be like a small Hospital Wing like right when you walked in there, the main lobby definitely looked like the waiting area had the rooms of the back for all the files and stuff and then it was three floors and the third floor was like, the psych ward of this building when it was first made. And I had somebody wearing when I was wearing the, the Old Navy uniform, the blueberries, I had somebody walk up and dungarees and I'm looking at my computer, I'm, you know, doing something during this. You know, middle of the night watch, and this guy walks up to the desk and looks over at me and gets right in my face, in my peripheral and I look up at him and he's not there.

37:33 And I'm like, holy crap. You know, I'm like, oh my gosh, right? I could see the blue collared, you know, long sleeve shirt and everything. I see his rank on shoulder, you just land over at me and then, you know, he wasn't there anymore. And then when I was over in Pensacola, there was a little girl that was running around the for that was on. And she had left this curly blonde hair and like it, like a nightgown, like a ruffled, you know, shouldered nightgown. And she goes, running down the hallway, and hangs a left. And so I chase after her because family members and stuff aren't supposed to be up in the barracks. You know, in the bedroom levels of the barracks they're supposed to be downstairs and so I go chasing after hang a left and she's not there. So I go down to the desk and I let them know and I say hey there's a little girl that's running around up there. I didn't see any Parents with her. Anything and there are like, was she wearing like a, like, a nightgown?

38:29 Like a white nightgown with, like, curly blonde hair? And I was just like, I was like, okay, yeah, you've seen her and she's there. I know. So, I mean, she's dead. The two gets a ghost. That's been in this Barracks for a really long time and I was like, but yes, people see her all the time. That is absolutely a ghost and I actually did my own fair share digging and found a whether it was related or not but a A death on Pensacola's base from a really long time ago, with the exact same description for the child that passed away, right? And so, all those things I'm like, I'm like, if I believed in the Paranormal, the way people, people do saying like ghosts and all that sort of stuff like that would be hard core evidence for me in the same way, Jeremy's Bigfoot story was of being like ghosts are real, but I'm a Christian and I don't believe in ghosts. I believe that there's only two places. You're so Could go and but I believe in angels and demons so that's where I'm at with it.

39:30 And then when it comes to like actual ghosts it just doesn't make any sense to me. It's like what possible unfinished business, could you have lingering around being like, I never was able to drink that coke. Got hit by a bus before I was able to drink it and I pour it around machines. Every time someone gets a Coke I have here and I hunt them until they finish it. Tapering every He last drop of that delicious. Sweet beverage like it. Just like it doesn't make any sense to me, and I'm just like, all right, we have breakfast here. Yeah, right. Better, enjoy it. Enjoy their last drink. You might never be able to finish it, but it just like, you know. So yeah, nighttime stories, but very well lit areas. Like, you know, lit up like a hospital room. Right.

40:18 It's just like so it's very interesting. But yeah. I mean every time I Really hear about ghosts and stuff, it's always some like, you know, medieval story or some sort of like you know during the colony oh and during the 1700s, some woman hung herself, it's like, all right. Well, where's the Hipster that, you know, ran to go pick up a penny in the street and got ran over something like that and now he haunts the vape stores, you know, like with like let's be real 150,000 people plus die every single day worldwide. That's a heck of a lot of ghosts We'd be slamming into them at the beach. You know it's just like couldn't even find a place to sit down because you'd be standing in a ghost.

41:00 Sorry. I mean there's there's still are the, you know, there still are the more modern stories, you know. A lot of times they don't have the same back stories like those. It was cool medieval and colonial times and stuff like that, you know? But I've heard of I've heard of this You know, like a guy in a hoodie that haunts a junta warehouse but nobody could really, you know, figure out like why you know, I mean, you know, do you do here? Well, what I'm getting at. You do here like, you know, modern things. But yeah, I mean, you know, his criticism of nighttime in your criticism of the, you know, the historic ghost Tails. I mean, yeah, it's definitely Merit to both of those things, but yeah, There.

41:52 There are some more modern kind of stuff, you know. Like, your explanation of it of the ghost hunting shows. Probably made a lot of stuff popular, because they seem to focus on all of that, like, oh, this used to be a plantation. You can hear the, you know, the moaning from the basement and just like, you know, I mean, who wants to go to a subdivision that was built in the, you know, 1994 and, you know, some Six year old guy died of a heart attack. I mean, who cares? So I actually went to a school that was rumored to be haunted and everybody in the school was We were all under the impression that the school was a former War hospital for World War Two. I actually did a little bit of a dive into the history of this school.

42:48 It was built in 1911 but never once was in a war hospital. So the whole room, it was literally just a rumor of it being haunted and that's what that reminded me of there was was the whole school. Everybody thought teachers had stories about ho this, how it was a three-story school so they're like, oh the libraries on the very top floor and we were trying to do midterm tests and all of a sudden, it sounds There was a stampede of elephants going on in the library but there wasn't a soul up there and whoa the school's haunted know they were doing a test nothing ever happened.

43:30 Like I'm not saying the land itself wasn't haunted. I don't know the history of the land but it's always so funny listening to these these stories that everyone's like oh this happened at and nothing ever happened. So it's just like you're you're all just Just creating things and your head. Yeah, you're over there. Ruining the same time. Spent the winter in Florida. I just left in April and I'm up here in the Northeast where it's freaking cold right now. Unfortunately you're one of those Denver. Okay.

44:13 One of the snowbirds come down here Well, you know, you got to be if you if you if you live in an RV, you don't want to be you don't want to be where it gets too, too cold. These things aren't insulated all that. Well, I get it. I lived in an RV for over a year, but the reason I asked him to come down to Florida. You ever go to Cassadaga? Cassadaga, no, I have not been there. It's the most haunted town. I guess we're cities the most haunted town in Florida. Apparently it was this whole town that was built on top of like old Indian burial grounds All these things and it's like the psychic medium capital of the world. Where is it? Like, where is it at like geographically? I it is east of Orlando.

44:57 Probably like right in between Orlando and one of the beaches Daytona somewhere. It's okay. Okay. I got ya. That's one of the parts of Florida that I didn't actually get up to because we we were actually going to go up that way, but we got kind of stuck in. Central Florida for longer than well, listen, next year, when it's cold and you come down here to cause more traffic for me to be up there, we'll go to Cassadaga and check it out. Yeah, man. Say yes, but I mean, there's a, there's a lot of cool places in Florida, by the day, I spent a lot of time did, did a bunch of little outings in the, like, in the green swamp in that area there?

45:39 And, you know, spend a lot of time actually in there and I thought, Thought I might have saw something but kind of like my my lake monster thing and I don't know, maybe I did, maybe I didn't a lot of big Gators that look like Monsters and there's also a lot of swamp gas going on right now. Yeah. Swamp gas yes. All right next question Denver you ready? Yeah go. What's your favorite place? You've been to investigate? Okay, so my favorite place that I've been to, and we're just talking like Just like investigating type stuff. So there's I I don't know if you all are familiar with this but are you familiar in Utah?

46:37 There's this Petroglyph. It looks like a long-necked dinosaur or any all familiar with that. I am Familiar of it because of you. Okay. Well anyway, that's my answer but you know, I don't know if anybody or if anybody list and really really knows about it. But So I just give a quick break down here so anyway in Utah at the Natural Bridges National Monument and it's like that. Monument is like rock not really near anything. It's like an hour away from like the nearest little bitty town, you know. It's just like in the middle of Southern Utah.

47:18 But anyway they got all these like like all these arches is they call them Bridges but they're like he's massive. Arches. And at at the base of one of those bridges called Cucina bridge. I mean it's just covered with petroglyphs and petroglyphs is like one of my favorite things to look into. I just can't get enough although my I love them. No matter where I'm at. I try to try to see him but anyway, it's called Cucina Bridge because it's got these just see some of these weird-looking. They just call them Cucina figures but you don't really know what they are or what they, I mean some people think they look extraterrestrial or this or that, or ghosts, or whatever.

48:03 But anyway at the base, like right near one of those Kachina looking figures and there's this Petroglyph and ain't nobody. Anybody can say anything they want. I read scientific papers on it, I do not give a crap. Ain't nobody ever going to tell me? It's not a long-necked dinosaur. Yes. Or you know carved into that wall I don't care what anybody says you could I don't care it. That's what it is. And you know I like in the early days of the internet like like you know back in back in the late 90s is like like where I first became aware of it, you know, because I I've always been into all this weird stuff and so like ever since and you know, I just like oh man you know, I want to see this one.

48:55 See this. So, you know, like when we got out to Utah, this this one place we were staying and Monument Valley. I realized, you know, we're about an hour and a half from there and so I drove all the way up there. To see it and, you know, like it's a pretty rigorous hike down and down in back to it. You know, I hike down there and I spent two hours looking for it. I could not find it. And so like I left, you know, went home. You know, try to figure out exactly where it was again, went back the next day, the next day. I, yeah, I found it long story short, but I'm telling you it looks exactly like a long Dinosaur Anderson another figure like near it.

49:44 The kind of looks like a dinosaur and then off away from it. There's two others that may or may not look like dinosaurs depending on how bad you want to believe it. But anyway, because I had wanted to see that for so long and because it's like such a bizarre thing, right? That I mean if there's a long-necked dinosaur carved and In Utah. I mean that kind of turns what we know about things on its head. So that was my absolute favorite thing that I've seen so far. Yeah, it's a pretty sweet story if you ask me. Yeah I'm looking at it right now. I'm sure you've already done all the research on. Oh yeah.

50:33 Look I can and I've read a scientific paper. Telling me how it's a mud stain and blue blob. No, it's a freaking long-necked dinosaur. I will you can burn me at the stake and I'm still going to scream that that's a long-necked dinosaur. I don't care. I'm I'm that Doug. Again and invested. What is the thought that is a long-necked, dinosaur? Because you're programmed to think that, that's what a long-necked dinosaur looks like. Well, it may be and you know me, hey maybe but you know, then whatever it is it's it's not something that should have been walking around in Utah. I found some years ago.

51:18 Okay. So I did a whole I did a whole episode on the show about dinosaurs being a hoax. So I'm kind of biased to this particular thing but it does. I mean, I'm not gonna lie, it it does look like a long-necked dinosaur well and and you have other and that's not the only Petroglyph, you know, in the southwest that that that depicts what I think looks like a dinosaur on. I saw another one that's that's You know, not, not popular known but to me it looked like it near to Knob Utah. Obviously, like I said, it's not popular.

52:00 I've got pictures of it. I could I could share with anybody that wants to see it but you know there and like I said, there's a couple others and on Cucina bridge that that some people think depict a dinosaur and you know and then you know you've got Got. If you know you've got like an South America, people that claim to see dinosaurs today even and you know and in the Amazon so I don't know I just I think it's a dinosaur. Whatever is interesting, it is interesting. It's something I'm going to definitely do a little bit of a deep dive into because it is you know again doing the whole dinosaur hoax presentation and personally not believing the dinosaurs ever existed.

52:50 Like, when I see stuff like this, or like, the the eggs that somebody brought up to us on that show, it makes me want to look into it more because I am willing to change my mind on things that I say, well, I mean dinosaurs, never existing, that's a, that's a pretty cool, pay coming on Isla. I like that episode. I never get to do good but we should cover McCully a member that's supposed to be a sauropod. Yeah. And And you have, you know, you have a lot of the same kind of report. Some, you know, if you read exploration, faucet Journey to the lost city of Z by, you know, it was posthumously. Published pursue faucets were like in the early 1900s, you know, he talked about the folks that had spotted Diplodocus like creatures and and you know, gave you know, descriptions like Footprints.

53:51 And, you know, things that that people had seen and, you know, there's a hey, there's there's tons of anecdotal stories of, you know, amerindians and and South America, you know, incidents of their canoes being flipped over by these long neck. We want to say I do or do not. But I think it's a possibility that McCullough and then Bay is a Diplo. Yeah, I mean and you know I mean it just it like, you know, like in those deep reaches of the Congo and, you know, and then in South America, man. I mean, like, literally anything could be could be hiding in there, right?

54:40 That's my what I think, there's so much. And it's not just dinosaurs, but other prehistoric megafauna. Jeff loves that term. You have ground sloths and in certain parts of South America. Then you have a creature that is well, it's called the beaver eater from from Canada and Emily show but Northern America, maybe that's also supposed to be a giant megatherium type ground sloth. So there's there's a lot of, a lot of stuff. Mean there's people that still claim that there's woolly mammoths and other type of old? Well, not just that but also in the very Northern parts of Canada.

55:29 I wish we had our Canadian hair. She messaged me, and let me know that our computer froze up. So, Sheila show, get back with us soon. But she'd be able to tell me what part of Canada, I'm thinking of because I can't figure. Well, I mean those those woolly, it was woolly mammoth stories, I mean, Even you know, three, two, three, four hundred years ago, I mean, they were rumored, you know, deep be living out west and a lot of your Native, American tribes, you know, have those those tails, you know, just read, what is it red Earth? White Lies by Vine deloria Junior. It's, you know, from a, from a native perspective on, you know, how he kind of debate.

56:17 It's what we call scientific fact, you know, from the traditions of various native tribes and things and those those Mammoth stories, it would certainly seem that they didn't die out 10,000 years ago. They at least lived to, you know, a few hundred years ago and who knows? They're like, like like you're saying there, there might still be a handful of them today. Laughter sure. Yeah, I mean like I always thought that the the woolly mammoths died out so long ago and then I probably last year, saw some saw some article online. They were giving their talking about the die-off period of the woolly. Mammoth and said, you know, people seem to think that it's like dinosaurs like way back then, right? There's literally, like the time of the pyramids being built. I can do you think that's pretty? Close that's, you know, nowhere near when I was thinking or what I was thinking you know science had projected as far as that sort of goes.

57:23 I'm not a old Earth believer myself but yeah just like this. I think that everything died off but much closer than, you know, there are given right before and and you know, I mean like do you really know when the last if something dies? I mean, they don't like Like check in with any thought you guys were signing out. Yeah, you know, and that's why I like like a lot of species supposed to be extinct. I kind of questioned that. And, and, and kind of, like, I was talking about earlier on, you know, like, like about cougars in Virginia, you know, they like to say that the last one was was killed in Virginia and like, it's like, either 1882 E5 something like that down in Washington County.

58:17 But it's like, how do you really know that because like, in the late 1800s, and nobody was tagging these things. And how do we know that a little pocket didn't survive and in some of these more remote? Yeah, remote areas that are that are now protected as you know, national forest or national park, like Shenandoah National Park. So I didn't, yeah, I'm just not a big believer. When you know about things, everything being extinct like on the time frames that that they tell us clearly it's because we've combed every square inch of the surface of this planet.

58:57 Also that's how we know you know we're just going to come back to us about this this long-necked dinosaur and be like. I figured it out. It's not a long-necked dinosaur. It's a huge. Massive snake with legs. Hey, that's cool too. Some other things, I mean, I believe in dragons that existed at one point. So you know, for me it's just the definition of terms thing, you know, that's where I'm kind of like thrown for a loop so he call it a dinosaur. I might call it a dragon or a giant crocodile, I don't know, but that's where I'm at but I'm sure that we've got stuff out there that has never been discovered or at least what's the word I'm looking for like You know, jotted down like this has been discovered, you know, I'm tries. Yeah.

59:56 Documented they think that's the word. Yeah, for sure everybody bear with us while we take this quick break. Kids are where those mammoths at damaged ends are thought it was wails well Wells to, but not the not the woolly, whales the woolly mammoths were they at in Canada, where Canada, is it, the Yukon? Is that what? Northern Canada, yeah, the territories, yeah, the territory that you can Yukon Northwest Territory and none of it. Or never. I don't know how they say it. Every time I say it I get told I said it wrong. Say it again.

1:00:40 A bit. None of it. Noona it On your college knows the I think the capital city of the province, I'm probably very wrong about your own area and you have no idea. Territories. I bet she didn't even know Finland was above Minnesota. Yeah, it says right here. So I'm actively looking at this picture right now. Don't ask me why I found this on the internet right now, but I'm looking at the longest largest crocodile ever measured lolong 20. Feet. 3 inches is the longest crocodile ever measured from snout to tail, but about that. Well then you picture we saw in the group and it was a day that was but this 20 foot three inch long crocodiles, the biggest one they've ever measured, which means there's probably one that's like 10 feet bigger than this. Yeah, around somewhere like the Lake Placid crocodile crocodile is big man, that's like half a size of a city bus. Well I mean you think about fish right? Somebody catches a record fish and you know maybe 10, 20 years I mean somebody breaks and not like not like not only breaks it but shatters it.

1:01:58 I was looking at a couple of catfish records recently like one was like 110 pounds and the previous record was 90. I mean, that's a Huge percentage, right? So, I mean, and yeah, who says, something's not bigger than that, guy, that's the record. I mean, we just don't know what's in the water and and what's in the woods, it's like the sturgeon kind of that kind of like the surgeon that was found in my area here in the Fraser River 10-foot sturgeon. Yeah, it was found not too long ago and I looked into it. The longest recorded every surgeon was close to 24 feet, just under 24 feet. That's a huge fish that they don't start throwing. It's a massive fish, right?

1:02:46 So, That's a big hill, know what that's not. Well, alright. Alright, let's let's, I got to bring up something that I didn't have written down. If you're in the infinite Rabbit Hole group on Facebook, not the page. So if you go to Facebook look for infant Rabbit Hole, click on the moment, the black logo, not the ones. The white logo of the white logo is the page where you update One news and new episodes and stuff, but if you want to actually get into the conversation, look for the one with the black cap, the black logo and in there, we talk often and also on the show, we also talked often about where we have gotten this crazy idea. That dog men could be looking real. We're not, we're not doing that or Denver, we have to sew Denver.

1:03:56 My friend is the one who birthed this idea and I'm not in line with nail to him. When he first said it It took a minute to click, but you read books. Like, what's that book? From Laurel Coleman the mysterious American, right, is it? Yeah, mysterious American Eric. I think where he talks about in the midwest. There was this, boom of kangaroos, just everywhere. They were, they were showing up even in the Appalachian Mountains and as far west as the Rockies and And you know between them and the other another well-known Cryptid, the devil monkey, which a lot of people think that the, the to got kind of intertwined and there was mistaken identity between the two of them to.

1:04:50 So someone would report seeing a devil monkey but really. So I'll kangaroo and then, you know, Denver kind of turned me on to the idea of really take a look at this kangaroo idea for some of these Dogma night. You know, I'm not 100%. Saying that every single dog Man sighting ever was a kangaroo. But if you look at the silhouette of a kangaroo, right? These things have hand claws with long claws and their bulky big. It looks like they could beat the shit out of you and because I can, if you've ever seen one attack a screen door, yeah, you was excellent.

1:05:35 Well, I think that's where I That's where I turned you on to it. I said go on YouTube and, and right in the little search bar, put kangaroos are scary. But dude, I mean, like, it's just like not and so, you know, like somebody nice Trail, you might not really think much of that, but somebody in West Virginia or, you know, somebody in Oklahoma. Yeah. I mean because, you know, and I don't care what any, you know, and, you know, I'm gonna piss off some dog men enthusiasts out there, but I just don't believe that upright canines can exist in nature, right? I mean, I believe Bigfoot can but an upright canine I just don't think can exist in nature.

1:06:23 So it's one of two things, it's mistaken identity or we're talking something and I'm going to say something more metaphysical, possibly even demonic, right? Because of their, you know, the red eyes this A sense of evil that people always get. So you know and so I'm not saying that every dog man is that but I'm saying I think a lot of these Dogman sightings are kangaroos and because I mean you know on the in the infinite rabbit-hole group like once a week I post something about somebody's damn Kangaroo got loose, you know. Yeah yeah it's coming. It's coming, it's coming. I didn't really used to pay that much attention. Into it.

1:07:07 But now I'm like, like trying to document every time that I see this and yeah like like once a week, you know somebody's kangaroo is getting loose in the US or you know or in Europe to and you know for say have dog Man sightings over there and I mean to me the long snout the clause. And if you just watch, you just watch that video of that. Kangaroo, banging on the storm door. Yeah, that's yeah. I'll leave it at that. Yeah, I mean imagine imagine it being dark out, right? Yeah. It's dark in the house and you're sleeping and and you get a cake like you get like just the silhouette of a kangaroo outside your window and you live in Ohio you're like that's dog, man, I'm going to back up this Theory up right here. You ready for this?

1:07:58 The Wyoming wild game department, partnering with the Wyoming migration initiative have released the first of five plan batches of D and to Lapine kangaroos into the Wyoming Outdoors. Okay, that's fun. Yeah. What about the dog, Man? Sightings out of wild kangaroos. We don't, we don't need to know what Healthcare is it because they released the gray wolves. So now they have to release the kangaroos. It's there are evaluating the viability of Wyoming's habitat for Australian marsupials. So this is just one thing. Apple never mind the fact that we know that other animals get brought here. Yeah as exotic pets and they get out so on and so forth. So they are they're kangaroos in the wild in the United States. Yes, yeah.

1:08:49 And and a lot of people don't realize, you know, you think a kangaroo's, you know, you're thinking Australia, you know, where it's warm and stuff, but kangaroos, as long as they don't have like really really deep snow, I mean, they can survive, you know, winners, you know, most anywhere in the u.s., I mean you Find on YouTube and Just Google kangaroo Oklahoma, and you'll see like some dudes out bow hunting in a field and it's covered with snow is freaking kangaroo. Just comes down to the down the field, it's stupid. I watched I watched a video where a kangaroo was bounced around and Staten Island. I got like a whole thing of reports from like we're all these kangaroos in New Jersey.

1:09:36 I mean it, It's stupid. How many kangaroos are out there? And like I know for a fact in Hawaii, you know, some got loose from a circus like in a wahoo and they actually establish their own breeding population. So you've got the breeding population of wild kangaroos in a wahoo and I kind of wonder if maybe there might be little pockets in the u.s. you know, because I've collected a lot of those you know, newspaper reports. Were some of them have Loose and, you know, there's no follow-up where they were ever recovered and that sort of thing. So, I don't know. I mean it's it makes as much sense as a as a 7-foot dog that can walk upright. I fucked up, you know what I'm saying? Fuck it was an April Fool's joke posted on April 1st 2017 what an asshole I didn't know until I got to the end of the article. This is why I checked dates before I post, or Bluetooth hard anything.

1:10:45 As soon as they let me go first, you go first. First so even even with that whole, April Fool's thing, aside there there is plenty documentation of, oh yeah, Rector large population of kangaroos back in the day, 70s and 80s 90s. And there was a large breeding population here in the u.s. mostly in the midwest.

1:11:31 But I mean, think of all the the Cryptids that are out there, right, let's just take one for example because I'm not Going to see her all day. Let's talk about the Jersey Devil, right? So the Jersey Devil, look at the general description of the Jersey Devil, right? Other than the ability for it to fly and it's who've Maybe I don't know as I'm not looking at Kangaroo feet right now. No, they have the the forked feet. Don't they?

1:12:14 I long for key. I don't know. No, but um, well, listen to me. But there are a lot of reports from back in the day of the Jersey Devil hopping around and being able to jump, extremely large distances and whatnot. Right. And some people said that it jumps so far. It seemed like it was flying. And there are reports of the Jersey Devil Without Wings and with, you know, a lot of reports claiming that it had a tail. A lot of them being a whip tail, but a tail nonetheless, and, you know, so there's a, there's a lot of things that could be kangaroos, dog, managers devil, or just a few tuned to name a few. But there are a lot, and to think that the entire population is gone, Is probably crazy because as Denver was saying, we're getting reports news articles all the time. Yeah, of kangaroos being found here in the United States and not just the ones that are being lost from personal collections that are tagged, you know, or microchipped. These ones are as wild as wild gets and they're surviving. Yeah.

1:13:32 And you know, back in the day to like, you know, up until what Like probably like the 70s and especially like in the early 1900's mid-1900s there should be all these traveling circuses. It had all these exotic animals and stuff and you know things weren't regulated back then like they are today. And he'll I mean there's there's tons of states that it's perfectly legal to own a kangaroo, you know, you wouldn't. You wouldn't think that and but yeah like there's plenty of states that have no problem. Switch you having a kangaroo you know. So you just wonder like from those old like those old traveling circuses things that you know might have got loose and you know things like that that you know are kind of behind a lot of the strange. Sightings we have Bryce.

1:14:29 I added a picture into our group chat. Denver that has a couple different types of kangaroo Footprints and if I didn't know what a kangaroo footprint look like. And I only knew pose and then other type of types of animals and stuff. I would look at those two lines and be like, that's a weird-looking Huff. So, we'll have to add a picture in there, so that our viewers on YouTube can see this. I was going to ask them. Have you guys ever had kangaroo me because I have Just gonna say that the butcher around the corner cells, kangaroo would eat. First of all you need to do it and then cause it's so cold. Marinade like no one's business. It's like super lean but it, you know, it takes a marinade. But yeah, I say bring them all over like if they want to actually start a breeding population. Here is like a like in Wyoming.

1:15:17 Oh man, bring them right now. He's like bring them on. Over the Border. I took a screenshot of what Jake talking about and sent it to you so you can share in the fun too but let's move on. Let's move on. Yeah next topic Kang up. It was one that I did not know. That was not real it for that. That is a that's a pretty crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not definite. Yeah, I could say so probably my favorite theory of I've ever heard a ruse. It's definitely the kangaroo. She hasn't even been part of the crew for so long and she's already got a t-shirt. Kangaroos.

1:16:00 So I'm going to skip a couple here Denver and we're going to move into the meat of the show. So so we are currently in the middle of a huge. Phantom Black Dog Series, right? We've been doing a ton of episodes on black dogs, all around the world. One of, I believe it was in your Strange Tales From Virginia's mountains, right? Is that, we're, you talked about the yes, the black dog of Blue Ridge. Yeah. That would have been anyone. Yeah, he tell us a little bit about that story. Well so basically I want to say like in the mid late, 1600s You know, man came over from England into bought a thought County Virginia, Which, you know, back then would have been just, you know, over in the Blue Ridge, just a really rugged Frontier back in those days.

1:17:00 And he was supposed to send for his wife and, you know, she just, she just never got word. But, you know, the story was that there was this there. There was this dog, you know, like a really big black dog, like up along a mountain pass like a gap in the mountains that every night around Sunset would just kind of like Pace back and forth and Pace back and forth. And and it was, you know, people had tried run it off or even shoot it with bullets and it was, you know, like bullets just went right through it, it would just you know like keep marching back and forth basically and you know, long story. you're the, I want to, I want to say like after maybe like around seven years thereabouts, the lady from England comes over, you know, trying to find your husband, figure out, you know, whatever became of him, and, you know, she tracked him down, like I said, to bada thought County and She heard the tales of this dog at, you know, this tavern that they said kept a nightly vigil pacing back and forth and it sounded like you know her husband's dog and so you know she insisted that you know people take her to the dog and you know long story short, you know she sees the dog, the dog, you know like kind of jumps in

1:18:33 her lap and then goes and like Paul. Also over by Stone, you know, and they they dig up, they find, you know, a skeleton with with a ring that was her husband's Signet ring and beside. It was, you know, the remains of the dog, you know, the dog disappeared. It's kind of like one of those tearjerker stories, you know, if you're a big dog lover and you know I just had to put my dog down about a week and a half ago so it's like I'm like about to start crying, you know? Basically it's one of those, it's like one of those cool. You know, cool stories where the, you know, it's kind of one of your Phantom Black Dog stories in a way, but in the other way it's you know this this is kind of kind of beers from that because it's kind of got that warm you know, that that warm and fuzzy deal.

1:19:34 And at the end, you know, Like a loyal companion at, you know, that hung around till is, you know, till his dad's wife could, you know, find their bodies and give them a proper burial, you know. So for anybody who wants a deeper dive Inside Story, you can check out Denver Michaels as website where he posts his blog Denver, is it just Denver michaels.com? It's actually Denver Michaels dotnet. Some jackass head had.com and I would have had to tell you a bunch of money for it. So I just went with dotnet, the other Denver Michaels, whoever the hell that is, it's pictures of his rocks and all the collections and fossils and stuff.

1:20:21 No, my websites way too important so definitely check out Denver Michaels dotnet. He does do a Blog on the black dog of the Blue Ridge. Also, you can find the story and his book Strange, Tales of Virginia's mountains which this is the one that's getting sequel. Right? Yeah, yeah. That one is going to have a, you know, I've actually finished the book and you know, I'm turning it in pretty soon. So I'm hoping it'll I'll be out by the end of the year but it might actually be in the springtime. Just kind of depends on them, the Publishers own, you know, their schedule. Awesome. I'm very excited about it. I've got My book wish list on Amazon is. Embarrassing.

1:21:09 I have a lot and every once in a while when I when I'm not buying a book for research, I buy a Denver Michaels book because you get stories such as that the black dog of the Blue Ridge. You get. There's a lot of, a lot of really, really cool stories that Denver ties, these unexplainable events into history. And so we're going to step out of that for a little bit Denver and we're going to head into the last section. Show and this is probably where we're going to probably have the most fun. So so we have to ask the question that everyone loves the here about. What is your full opinion on Bigfoot, what is it and do you think we'll ever get proof In Our Lifetime? What is it?

1:22:04 Well, okay, so what is it? I really oscillate back and forth. Some, you know, and anybody that's, you know, spent much time reading any of my books, you'll know that I say that, I don't know a lot, I don't take real strong stances on these kind of things, there was a time in my life. When I believed 100% without a doubt, it's a flesh-and-blood. It's a You know, it's an Undiscovered species of great ape and in North America. That's that, you know, you couldn't have told me any different, but more and more. I've kind of come along, do it.

1:22:44 Yeah, I believe it's something so I don't believe like, no. There's nothing to in and not, not at all. But, you know, I've kind of come around a little bit on the, on the loose side I guess that might be something more. Metaphysical. Well, I mean, because let's face it. Let's look at all the people. I mean, it's kind of like, what I was talking about earlier, right? For all the Bigfoot experts out there. You got a bunch of ankle inconclusive tracks, you got some inconclusive hairs, you got some, you got a lot of pictures on Facebook of these stick structures or these blobs on the ground with the tape measure but Sided that are supposed to be a track.

1:23:34 But yeah, it was good. It's a Denver. You can't forget about the red circles. Well, the red circles are awesome, you know, where the bigfoots like hiding in the trees. And, you know, you got a lot of people that are researching a family of Bigfoot, in my research location, you got a lot of that, but really nobody has anything. And, you know, I'm it's just true. Nobody's got anything conclusive. I mean, you just really don't And I'm not saying it's not a worthwhile Pursuit. I'm not. You know, I'm not saying that at all. I mean I you know, I I spend lots and lots of time in the woods, you know. Looking at these same, you know, pinned down arches and you know, little teepees and depressions in the ground. You know like wondering if you know, is that something? Is that something?

1:24:26 You know, I mean yeah but you know, nobody has any A, you know, like, after all this time and that's what leads me to think that we might be talking something that, you know, you're not going to figure out the answer because it's, you know, it's a ghost or its interdimensional or this or that, you know. That's so, you know, I'm kind of like, What I want to say 75 65% there and but I still leave plenty of room that, you know, it is something physical that we just, we just ain't been able to find, you know it Jeff, what do you think? Okay, all right.

1:25:12 Good job. Good guitar, Jeff. It's just up and left. I can't wait till you go to edit that, be great. Anyways. All right. Denver, so the next tier, the question is Do you think that the government could be hiding the existence of Bigfoot? Um, so the short answer. No. But I need to preface that by saying, I am a connoisseur of conspiracy theories, I am mother of valued devoted conspiracy theorist so I believe in conspiracies, I believe the government is hiding tons of stuff but Burning there. You know?

1:25:59 And and and here's why right? I just don't think that number one. I don't think that they know. But number two, I mean, I don't think they care think of think of, you know, our powerful legislators and Congress people you know, Like, you know, they're, you know, they're they're evil and, you know, self-serving and all that but you know, besides that they're just like everybody else and people in the Bigfoot Community. They they they tend to forget that, you know like we're not like as important as we think we are. Like most people don't give a shit about Bigfoot one way or the other, right?

1:26:47 So why is it so A Bigfoot Denver look like, like most people like like almost everybody, like like just go out and just go out and like sample a random hundred people, right? Even if they believe in it, they really don't care all that much. And so why would we think that our Congress Congress? People are any different? So that's another reason. I don't believe it. And like, and another thing, I mean, like, what would the government gains Gain by hiding Bigfoot like like for instance, if they just said yeah, Bigfoot exists, we know it's here. They could do a massive land grab right? Where these things are, they could take that the federal government already owns, Twenty Eight percent of the land in the United States.

1:27:37 Well, guess what? I mean, if Bigfoot is lurking in the suburbs of Connecticut, like, some people are saying they could pick up. Somebody could pick up that land to they could they could all of a sudden own like the rest of Of the land in the u.s. I mean, they could do a massive land grab. So, you know, they could do that. There's just I just don't to me. Like the government is hiding Bigfoot from us, is really, it's really just a cop-out that the Bigfoot Community uses, because they've just not been able to prove anything. I mean, that's that's sort of my K, and I believe, in conspiracies, do not get me wrong.

1:28:18 I mean, I can talk off, Off record all day long about some stuff that I wouldn't say publicly. Up, Jake has something to say and I raised my hand I think that the forestry service is hiding is covering up for bigfoot because of high. I think that I don't have the numbers in front of me but I have to think it's named the tons, right? How much trash is pulled out of trash, like, litter and crap that's pulled out of national parks every single year? It's got to be in the tons or thousands of tons of people just Littering you know, messing with stuff destroying like the the foliage and the trees and all that stuff, you know, like oh finish my water bottle and throw it amongst these rocks and stuff.

1:29:05 I think that if I think the National Park Service, if anyone knows that this thing exists it's them and they're not saying anything because they don't want the attention. They don't want. They don't want hundreds of millions of people flooding in 21 states. They could just completely wreck it and turn it into nothing. You're wrong, you're wrong. And we're going to roll but need them. No, no, no. This is exactly what it's meant to do. Denver get mad. Tell them. Yeah. I mean, it's just like and and where you're wrong here. There's a couple reasons. You're wrong you. They're pulling out all this trash and everything because it's increased.

1:29:47 Because after the covid lockdowns, everybody figured, oh, I can just go to all the national parks and, you know, and be safe and and So, you just had a flood of people into all the national parks. I've seen this with our, with our being, they've started, and they are starting to shut down. And you have to like, make reservations now like like when we went to Glacier, they had to, you know, they had started on a reservation system. So so I mean this is going on anyway and and like where you're wrong about this like nobody's going to Again, people in the Bigfoot Community.

1:30:27 Think. Oh, if they admit that Bigfoot's here like, like everybody that cares about Bigfoot is already out there looking for him. Anyway, like somebody that don't care one way or the, another isn't going to go and people that would be like, oh the Park Service admitted there's Bigfoot, they're not going to go because they're going to be scared. So I mean, I think that that's all a wash that you're going to have all these people but if They did acknowledge that there was Bigfoot, right? It's an endangered species now, so they can just shut off access to all that land. And, and like, I travel like all the time doll, this federal land.

1:31:09 And there's a lot of it where they, you just can't even access it any way. You know, they block the gates. They, you know, they they can they can shut off. Any portion of land, anytime they want. You go to any national park, like you're not All this step off of certain Trails because you'll you'll damage the soil or you know, just something you're not even allowed to really do that much in National Parks anyway, except for, you know, stay on the trails now. National Forest BLM land, you got a lot more freedom. But and and and again like and here's another reason I don't believe in it like I was a contractor, you know, for one of our three letter agencies for like 10 years and so, your first problem.

1:31:59 Yeah, I'm part of the problem. But so so like, do you know how hard it is for the government to find just a qualified electrician or machinist that can do a job and pants Grand and pass the, you know, the background checks and all that. So where are Find in these guys that can find Bigfoot right when nobody else can. Oh no, I don't mean like it's a specialist. I'm just saying. It's the people that take care of like the forestry but like that, like the people that take care of Forestry knows that Bigfoot exists but nobody else has been able to conclusively figure that out, that's all I'm saying.

1:32:42 I just don't think the government knows anything. I'm, I'm going to step in here and we'll replace them, hypothetical devil, the devil's advocate here Denver, because I heard a wild Theory. While back and I just want to throw it out there. So let's say that the existence of Bigfoot is proven, okay? Hypothetically. Okay. Now people, right. We get, we got every flavor a person, every belief system, you can possibly think of, and you get some people a mic. Sorry about that. Pooh think that Bigfoot because of how closely it looks and reminds them of a human.

1:33:30 Deserve rights, right? And some people some Bigfoot. Researchers do believe that, right? I believe that they need to be found because they need protection, right? If if their numbers are as low as I fear, I believe that they need some protection. But there are some people who believe that they are just as smart as human beings and their scent. Like super sentient. They're able to learn, they're able to use tools, they're they're humans, but bigger hairier and they don't want to be around others right there Hermits. So What if?

1:34:14 We found Bigfoot and now you get crowds and crowds of people that come out of the woodwork that are jumping on to the next big thing and that is Bigfoot and how that Bigfoot or those tribes of Bigfoot deserve land, just like the Native Americans do. Right. So now all those massive, massive amounts percentage-wise of all these national parks that we are not allowed to go to. Because what you said is true, there are massive chunks. And I'm not just talking about, you know, look at a map I'm talking about stand on top of a mountain of a national park or a hill and look out.

1:35:06 All of that. You see, you can't go to, you have to stay on the path. Okay? And that's all you can do. Stay on the road. Stay on the path camp where we tell you to camp and leave. That's it. There's massive amounts of land out there that we do not have access to that. It is supposably National Park. Land one what are they doing out there? Why is it off off off limits, you know, wire that way? Why are there so much? Why is there so much land? That doesn't even have fire Towers? So for anybody who doesn't know there's fire Towers out in the middle of national parks and other big chunks of forest where somebody lives up in these towers and their job is to spot fires.

1:35:53 Yeah. Right. And they call enforce fires, there is massive amount of land in national parks that are not covered by one of these is fire Towers if you Believe me talk to a hot shot. Talk to one of these fire spotters. They've come out and said that there are a lot of, there's a lot of land out there that the government does not let you on. So hypothetically, let's say that they already have this land, put aside for bigfoot, okay. Now we're going to go deeper down the rabbit hole because that's what we do right now, let's say that they have some sort of Agenda that they're pushing now, let's get Jeff involved, right? So let's say that they're pushing that we are. Super old hundred thousand years old. Whatever.

1:36:51 And we are unique. We are special. And all of a sudden. Now, there's another race of this humanoid creature big hairy walks through the woods and has small tribes, and they're in danger. Are we special anymore? Can they can they still hold the pressure over us? Do they have that grasp on us anymore? Are we are we special Jeff jump? In II know you're thinking this this is an interesting idea but I don't think that that's at all.

1:37:34 Why you? They have these giant swaths of land that it's because we don't go to people going to say probably just because they have Grid deep underground, military bases. On a lot of those areas and that's probably where they allow their high-tech tr3 bees and other technology to fly in and out. And they don't want anybody to see that. So that's my opinion. But your ideas. I mean, well, no, it's not my idea I'm not going to take credit for this, but this is something that got my mind job, you know, jogging a little bit. Maybe I went a little bit too far with the whole. Are we special thing? But the reality of it is is that there would be people that are protesting that these these animals are these creatures, these big feet, these Bigfoot, Sasquatch has these hairy humans, humanoids, whatever you want to call them, whatever Camp, you're going to put them into deserve a chunk of the United States property. Well, I mean since when does the government care about people protest and right?

1:38:36 And if you and then today, today, in today's climate, it would just become a, you know, a fake left or right issue that it's that, that's true. And that's exactly what I'm saying, you know, but I mean, I know you're onto something about the land. I just, I don't know, man. It's You know, I've always thought that the government has all this this all this land because, you know, because of the, you know, the minerals and oil and gas and all of that, and I've always thought that that's what they use is collateral for their debts with the central Bankers, you know, mean with why what, why do they keep printing money and printing money and printing money and print money? Because it's because somebody, we've got some collateral there with all that land.

1:39:27 And in what's underneath it? So you know what I've always believed. Yeah, that's actually a fact that more and I don't want to get into a whole bunch of politics and stuff. But that is a fact because they're actually giving a lot of that land to places like the PRC. Right. Right. Right. Public of China. So, I mean that's definitely a thing. But yeah, I think they just they close off big swaths of land person. I just think it's because they're hiding other things, right? They got Technologies and bases that you can't go you they can't even risk you seeing it. So they got 5,000 square miles blocked off with no fire Towers. So nobody can see the technology coming in and out.

1:40:08 That's kind of what I think about it. But I just want to propose the one quick idea that maybe just maybe in this is whoo. Maybe the government does know about big It but maybe they know that their inner earth beings so they can't. They cannot tell us because these beings aren't necessarily surface dwellers. They come up but maybe they're not from up. Maybe they're from down within and they got to keep that hush-hush. That's another big theory about that. The the vastness of space, that's out there in these national parks is that there could be portals, whether it be two different dimensions or Pathways to enter Earth. I mean there that's a whole nother episode that we can get into and I love to do it.

1:40:52 But just to kind of give you a little bit of background behind this question there, Denver So since starting this podcast, I've noticed a few things. Especially when it comes to Bigfoot and pictures, right? So one, is that every three to nine months, you can it's like clockwork, right? You can expect one of four sets of pictures to make big news in the Bigfoot world. Yes. Facebook that look at this sighting that's out of Alabama. And then another another page going to say it's out of Connecticut. Another page going to say it's obvious on Kota another page going to say is all about of Alabama. Yeah it's always the same picture that you saw six months ago from Las Vegas you know and and then there's going to be you know you go back six more months in those pictures are being posted again coming out of Arizona and Canadia from North and the Guatemala and all this, you know, craziness, that's one thing that you can count on, right? But one thing that that does kind of shocked me and this is where I'm kind of I don't know.

1:42:05 Maybe I'm talking to Jeff little bit too much. I wish I had some tin foil here to put it. Put my hat on but Even the pictures I've never seen before, right? Like there was a really, really clear picture taken, and it was kind of making the rounds a couple days ago. And I actually posted it on the group I said, hey, can you help you help this out right? And instantly. Start remembering Cayman. Somebody came in and actually, the original poster of it from another group came in and said, oh, it's from Mockumentary.

1:42:47 And I've never heard of this mockumentary, never heard of it. And I'm not saying that I'm hearing of every single documentary mockumentary of Bigfoot ever, but I, I dabble, right? And it just seems and this isn't the only case. There's a lot of these things that go on, right? And I'm not going to know if every single thing out there but it's every picture that hits the scene gets debunked like that. And it's just so quick. Super, super cool. Rick, right? And all of a sudden, everyone's got all this evidence just piled up. And somebody in one of them made a comment of yet, the government got to this one too.

1:43:33 And I'm like, right. So I'm reading the chain of conversation and the guys explaining he's like, yeah, the government doesn't want anybody to know that Bigfoot exists. So whenever one of these really good pictures come out all of a sudden now that it's from a mockumentary and there's one really shitty website for this really shitty mockumentary that has these Photos as the only thing that shows up when you Google this mockumentary, I'm like, wow. So I Google the mockumentary and what shows up, only the pictures that are in that Facebook post. Nothing else. Can't find where to watch. It can't find where, you know, where I was made. When it was made, anything just pictures from the mockumentary, can't find it.

1:44:16 Can't find out. You two can't find nothing. So the question that came to my head is, Is somebody out there like is their job to sit there and comb through all these stupid Facebook pages of, you know, these these desk cryptozoologist that are just finding pictures on on the web and just posting it on the Facebook, is their job to sit there and debunk these before they get hot before. Anybody takes a chance? I mean, who knows? Maybe we've seen Dozen pictures of a real Bigfoot but it's been debunked before. It got too hot and all the evidence and I think Denver's right man.

1:45:03 I think the government has more incentive to to say that they exist that they exist, right? You could take over more land. You could, you know, you take over more land, you close off the block of the national parks to save money. If nothing else. Right? You know you just you can save If some of your resources, I mean, I just don't think it. What is the incentive for the government to, you know, unless it's like what you said, which I think is very far-fetched. That there's, you know, that there's tribes of these Bigfoot's that don't want rights and land and everything. I mean, I just can't think what, what's the, you know, what's the incentive for the government?

1:45:49 To, you know, I mean, they're pretty busy, you know, with regime change You know printing money and you know taking away our rights and yeah I mean they're pretty they're pretty busy doing shitty stuff. Is it is I think yes they have a lot and I'm not I'm not saying that this is what I believe. Okay I'm bringing you know I get it I get it conversation purposes but what are our resident child has something to say, I'll just kidding good. That's that's one comment from one guy, who thinks it's the government that Absolutely, who's not, who's saying, that's not the same guy, who made the pictures, made the shitty website, made the shitty, mockumentary that doesn't exist, right?

1:46:36 So I'm I see where that guy is coming from and I understand his thought process there, but I'm citing a little more with Denver here. What's the point? What? Where's, what is the gain here? There is no gain other. Then control Mass distraction and control, which they already have. So what's the point anymore? But they can get more by saying he exists. You can start a whole other three-letter agency. Just as Bigfoot exists, they can siphon billions of dollars of Pi RH, like you declare Bigfoot exists. Right?

1:47:16 Well, he he she is an endangered species, right? And every, every state in the Union has Bigfoot, sightings. So essentially, now the government can tell you, you can't do anything with your land. I mean, you gain way more power by declaring Bigfoot and endangered, species than you do by denying it. I mean, you know, just think of all the bullshit you got to do to build a deck. I mean, now, imagine it now now imagine if the, you know, if the government so, well, you potentially might have a Bigfoot in your backyard.

1:48:00 So we got to do an environmental impacts. Study. I mean, there's they, they gained way more power by admitting Bigfoot exists. I don't, I don't disagree with you now, the only part of this that I do sort of believe in. I'm not going to say sort of, there's got to be some reason why the topics not taken seriously. And I'm only saying this from the point of view of somebody who truly does believe that when they were nine years old, they saw Bigfoot. Like I said playing times on the show, it's not a mystery to me.

1:48:40 I know they're out there. They're they're, you know, it's not necessarily my job to convince others that it is there. But I do love to dive into the theories and everything. I don't think that the government is is a blocking off massive chunks of the National parks for things, such as like portals to the underworld and stuff like that. I believe that Theodore Roosevelt when he built or, you know, came up with the idea of the national park system did have in mind, some mythological creatures and I think that Bigfoot may have been one of those because in his in his book, The Wilderness Hunter, he tells a story of I am not going to butcher the names right now.

1:49:34 Now, but somebody else's story involving a Bigfoot and Theodore Roosevelt has been tied to many other Cryptids such as the snallygaster wanting to actually go and hunt the thing and Bigfoot itself. And I think that the whole National Park system is tied into Bigfoot, that is something I do believe because my sighting actually happened fairly close to not a national park. But it was definitely a plot of land where it was put aside by the government for sure. What if the national parks? You how you were saying that like we would give them land rights to land and what that and whatnot? What what if that is already, what the deal is that and that could be, that could be.

1:50:25 But then you have to say that there has to there had to have been intelligent conversations between human beings and Bigfoot and I'm not one to subscribe to Bigfoot being and human intelligence level. I just don't want to cover up which Yeah, which is why, you know what gain is there? I basically asked that question because when Denver sees those posts on infrared, always the first one to call bullshit. I love that. So I figured I'd poke the bear today and get to Denver all riled up Denver how do you feel you feel good? Oh yeah. Oh yeah you know I you know did you know you get a little jaded with some of this stuff, you know?

1:51:11 Wow that's it. You know, you just, you know, you get, you get the people on Twitter and YouTube, like, if you're, if you're just like, well, you know, you just mention the obvious right that. Well, hey, there's really no definitive of evidence. And I mean, I've had people like, accuse me of like, being a page Hill for the government. I'm like, what are you talking about? It's like, I definitely do that. I believe in Bigfoot I just, you know, I just you know, I'm just not gonna sit here and and cry government cover-up discos, we've not, you know, found any definitive evidence, you know, shut up digital assassin for for the show. Comment, you know, fuck that guy, we I've also been a bushels and pogs, but I'm one that believes I am more In the Flesh and Blood camp and I don't necessarily believe that there's too much conspiracy behind the topic of Bigfoot, but I do believe that the government is aware of their existence. And there is for some reason why they're just not talking about it.

1:52:40 I don't know what it is. Couldn't tell you. Honestly don't have any wild imagination ideas about why I do find it kind of funny that there's massive chunks of national parks cut off. But I'm pretty straightforward with my beliefs on Bigfoot. I'm just happy that I got to poke the bear a little bit there. Denver. Thank you. It's always fun. Does anybody have any questions for Denver before we cut them out of here? Only thing I would like to say, as I said earlier, Denver next time, you're down here in Florida, give me a shout, maybe we'll do that. Cassadaga trip and go look for some ghosts over there, man. Yeah, yeah, definitely man.

1:53:23 Ugh. And I will be back to Florida at some point. So I'll look you up. Sounds good. I just landed a job in Wisconsin. So if you're ever up there, let me know. Okay, yeah. Well actually probably will be up there and in the summer sometime. Hey, that's what I'm going to be here. Um, all right. Cool. Denver, why don't you go ahead and take a moment to drop all your information? Let people know where they can find you where they can follow you, where they can contact you, where they can see your bright and smiling face every day. Go ahead. All right. Yeah, I'm most active on Twitter. So if you want the best interaction, Twitter underscore, Denver Michaels.

1:54:07 I've got a Facebook page author, Denver Michaels. YouTube channel that nobody really subscribes to just look author Denver Michaels on YouTube and my website Denver Michael's dotnet and you can find all my books on Amazon. Right on. And then before you go I have to do this the Shameless thing and get you to say, hello to my mom. Oh I forgot. I meant to do that in the opening but hello mrs. Jeremy's mom could do it again and then go ahead and say hey to Danny to Danny, what up Dan Dan?

1:54:52 He's a big fan of you to know Denver. Always a pleasure, man. It was nice to get a little bit more background on you. And next time, I mean, I still didn't ask half my questions, so, you know, we'll let some time pass by and we'll get you back on here and we'll pick up right? Where we left off. And yeah, man. Anytime y'all want to talk, you know, how to get ahold of me. Well, I appreciate you. Does anybody else have anything to say before I log off go by Denver's books? Yeah. They're they're they're awesome and you know kind of one-sided here because I love books but Denver does such a good job of mixing the world of things that we talk about all the time in with history. And if you're, if you have any interest in history and obviously if you're listening to this the show you have an interest in the Paranormal Supernatural that he's the guy. You need, you need to go check out his stuff, okay? Denver Michaels is books are all over Amazon. Super easy to find.

1:55:57 They're great reads and he's a super like easy to talk to. I mean when I first reached out to Denver, he was extremely fast to say yes. I'll come on your show even when we were an unproven little nothing show. And he came on and talk to me, like, we were old friends. And here, we are over a year later, and I have had them on for, on the show, for the third time now. And it won't be the last. So Denver, thank you so much. Once more for, not only coming on now, becoming on in the past and lighting up the infinite Rabbit Hole group page with all your awesome articles that you find and the blog's that you post. Thank you so much.

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