Spontaneous Human Combustion, Ghost Ship, & Croatoa. For the Fans 1 SPECIAL

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Hey, guys, Jake here.
So I know you're probably

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expecting Gateway part 2 but
what had happened was Jeremy up

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and got covid.
So, instead, please enjoy our

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first for the fans episode.
This episode, we talk about

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things such as spontaneous,
human combustion among others,

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this episode was actually
released in November 20,

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November 20th 2020, which means
that this episode is two years

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old today or soon to be in any
case.

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Thank you so much for
understanding.

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It wasn't in our plans to
postpone, but unfortunately,

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life happens for podcasters to,
but we'll see you next time down

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the next path of the infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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Thanks.
Welcome back to infinite Rabbit

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Hole everybody today, we got Wes
and Jake and myself the whole

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Crews here.
For the first time together, a

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good to be back.
The finally be on here with

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Jake.
I know.

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I'm curious how this is gonna
go, maybe we'll fight, I don't

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know.
I don't know.

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She doesn't play well with
others.

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I'm always up for a fight, my
saying, I win.

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I'll fight anybody.
So, today we're going to be

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doing the fan appreciation
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I've been holding this off for
quite a while but that's okay.

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We got to it, right?
Yeah.

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Finally, we don't have a lot of
content today because we're a

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new podcast.
We don't have very many fans or

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at least very many fans that are
speaking out and telling us what

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they want us to talk about or
ask those questions but we did

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get some pretty good
recommendations to talk about

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today and we picked one
recommendation from each person

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that commented a lot of those
recommendations were so good.

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Good that we're actually going
to turn them into full episodes.

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We're going to keep those a
surprise will will let them come

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out whenever we get to those
episodes.

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But before we get into those, we
do have a question.

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Wes, it was given towards our
episode on parallel, universes,

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and multi multiple Dimensions.
So, I'm going to ask this

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question.
You get your opinion on it.

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Okay, hit me.
This comes from Carlos, Carlos

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is also a Navy vet.
I got to talk to him a little

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bit on one of the podcast
Facebook pages.

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Really nice guy, also has a
podcast himself.

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Carlos was asking, do you
believe that?

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Maybe when we die our
Consciousness somehow, joins or

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blends, Into the parallel
universes of ourselves.

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Whew, it's a good question.
I don't know if there are

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parallel universes and multiple
Dimensions with other versions

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of ourselves and them maybe that
would help account for.

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Sometimes we have these random
memories of things that not

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necessarily are full-on Mandela
effect level things.

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But something with just
ourselves, I don't know.

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That's a good question.
I never really thought about it

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be honest.
So I was thinking about the

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answer to this question, too.
I'm not sure if I necessarily

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buy into the idea of our
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different reality of ourselves,
but there is that whole concept

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of deja vu, which is a very
strange occurrence.

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It's a personal thing.
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And it could easily be explained
as you're just having this false

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memory of something that
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Or but, I mean, just like
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I've had cases of deja, vu.
And I'm like, I predict what is

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going to happen next?
Uh-huh.

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You have a, you have a good like
5 to 10 seconds where you're

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like, hmm I know this, I know
what's coming next and then it

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happens and you're like, wow,
that's weird.

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So maybe not when we die but at
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our Consciousness does jump from
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ourselves to another self it A
very interesting question that

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would be a very interesting way
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I've also heard a theory, I
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theory.
I think it's something like The

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NeverEnding Theory where you
never die from your point of

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view, until your body literally
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So, like if you get into a car
accident or what not, you just

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keep going.
It's basically a branch where

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you can timeline Branch.
Yeah, timeline Branch.

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Where You basically go on into a
new universe, where your

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Consciousness keeps going and
you never got into that car

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accident.
And then there's a universe

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where you died and everyone
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But in your own personal point
of view you never die until your

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natural death.
That one's a little hard to wrap

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my mind around.
I agree, I agree.

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It's definitely a far out there.
One, not saying, I believe in

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it, but it I think it kind of
ties into what he might be

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talking about.
But to go back to that first

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part for that to be something
that could actually happens that

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would imply that there are other
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ahead of say, where I'm at now,
or maybe I'm a head of one of my

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other versions of myself in
another parallel universe,

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right, right.
You know, I'm say two levels

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ahead of this other version of
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me that is ahead.
Happens, we die or whatever.

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And then those memories go to my
other body in a parallel

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universe.
And that's how they know because

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it wouldn't make sense if we're
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just in a different place in
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You know.
It's a but that would be that'd

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be hard to, I don't know.
That's For that to actually

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work.
I don't know talking about

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different dimensions and and
timelines and parallel,

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universes and stuff.
There's a lot that goes into it

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and it can get very complicated
very quickly.

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Yeah, I'd like to say that, my
personal opinion is that.

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I don't believe that, that
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Yeah, I know you guys completely
lost me with that whole

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conversation.
I was just listening.

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I'm just like, all right, being
out for several weeks and

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hearing the like the Mandela
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Trying to wrap my head around.
The idea of a Multiverse, I

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can't get behind any of that
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Som, like our Consciousness
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of ourselves in a different
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That sounds way too far-fetched
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I can say, however, when it
comes to say, deja vu, this one

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time back when I was man, I must
have been 22 or so.

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Yeah, I had a dream where Thing
that happened that day was what

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happened in my dream to a tee.
It was one of the weirdest

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things I've ever been through.
Where was just like that movie

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Groundhog Day with Bill Murray.
Like you relived the day in your

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dream, are you 300 a day?
I had a dream about the day that

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was coming up where everyone I
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Went during the actual day said
the exact same things, exact

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same conversations.
The day played out the exact

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same way as the dream that I had
the night prior, it was one of

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the craziest weirdest things.
Now, you could say that it was

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two realities intersecting on
that time, say, like me and

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another version of me doing
totally different things.

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But at some point, the
intersection happened and that's

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what that was.
But again, I don't prescribe to

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the idea that there is a
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that.
Seems sounds Way too,

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far-fetched for me.
But, who knows?

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I mean another thing that could
explain that is so when we sleep

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our brain is subconscious is
like it's working on solving

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problems or it's just it's
constantly going, right?

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Like a brain is never completely
like not active, that's always

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doing something and even when
we're awake, it's constantly

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doing other things.
Other than, you know, focusing

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on whatever were doing in that
moment, it's subconsciously

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working.
Out problems, or if your, if you

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were thinking about something
earlier, it's thinking about

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that and maybe some point prior
to that night, you were thinking

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about the next day, right?
And then you go to sleep and

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your brains just like, oh, well
you he's probably going to do

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this and that he's probably
gonna end up talking to this

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person of that.
But this is all like

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subconscious, right, right?
We don't even fully understand

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why we dream, right?
We think it's a way of our brain

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working out stuff, but maybe
that particular night, night,

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what your brain was working on,
subconsciously happen to line up

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with what actually happened, the
next day, Could also be that I

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was just having false memories
that when I did interact with

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the same people because it was
maybe it was routine to interact

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with them at certain times and
when they were saying things I

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was having a false memory of my
dream and it was overlaying and

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it was like oh this is exactly
like my dream in reality was

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just that I had an interaction
with that person.

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It's also a possibility.
Yeah the dream was maybe just a

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more General version of what
actually the next day and you're

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just like your mind is
automatically put the two

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together.
All right, it's strange to brain

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is insane.
Yeah, he'll most definitely is

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what does it do you remember a
particular circumstance or

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particular event that day, that
that usually doesn't happen

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where your brain couldn't have
predicted it?

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No, it was mostly just who I was
interacting with was the people

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that were in my shop but it was
it was the order of it.

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Hmm.
It was that, this interaction

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happened with this person and
then that person Person.

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And that person, it was the
exact same way that the the

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Dreamland out.
I can't remember if it was

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circumstances that lined up
correctly as well.

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Like, we're going to work on
this aircraft first and that

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aircraft or do this job than
that job.

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I don't think it was that
specific but it was more so the

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people in the conversations so
it could have been just a

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routine of hey, good morning,
you know, talking to this

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person, talking to Jon Snow over
here and then Stevens over there

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and All those different things
and that's just the routine that

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I have.
And that's the way my brain

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decided to lay everything out
because of the routine of it.

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And then the conversation we had
having that false memory me

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like, oh, that's what we talked
about in my dream.

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I don't know for sure because I
think that even for myself, I

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have more lucid dreams than I
have anything but even the S

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upon waking up everything super
clear within five minutes.

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I forgotten most of it.
Hmm.

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It was the craziest thing ever.
And then I want to tell my wife

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later and I tell her Like I had
this dream about cows, I think

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like it's just you know it's
just it's not all there any more

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like a distant memory so I hate.
I don't know man.

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Yeah, have some wild dream.
Sometimes, you know, I have

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dreams about this podcast, you
know, some ideas about doing an

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intro or whatever.
And then it's like, when people

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make, like, back when I used to
drink it's like I have this

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great crazy idea when I'm drunk
and then the next day I'm just

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reading.
My notes was like what?

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We've all done that, right,
right Seinfeld episode.

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I absolutely love that show and
I always try to get my wife to

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watch it, but there's an episode
where Jerry Seinfeld.

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He always leaves a notepad and a
pen next to his bed on his

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nightstand, just in case he
wakes up and he's like great

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idea for like a joke or
whatever, right?

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Because he's coming right?
And one night, he wakes up and

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you write something down but
because he's like, you know,

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half awake.
It's all like gibberish looking

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whatever.
So the next morning he wakes up

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and he's just like looking at
it.

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Like the hell is this like what
and he's going around to all the

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all his friends?
Like you know what this is like

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he's trying to figure out
because in his mind he's

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thinking this is just great
joke.

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They could only decipher what he
wrote, you know while half

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asleep and then you know later
on he figures it out and he's

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like, this is a funny.
What Riley exactly that episode?

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That's it.
What show was that Seinfeld?

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How do you spell?
It was a funny, never watch

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sign.
I'm just kidding.

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I just can't let you never watch
friends or Fraser either.

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No, no Seinfeld is way better
than 0, of course, in

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Franklin's, those on Comedy
Central, I'm gonna smack you

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right in the face.
I'm gonna fight you on text or

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listeners.
Here is never seen Star Wars and

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he likes to ask us.
Oh.

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Is that from Star Trek?
Then we post something like for

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it.
Talk about anything related to

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Star Wars.
And now, here he is trying to

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make fun of us for Seinfeld,
man.

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I say that's a everybody.
Anybody I know that's a Star

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Wars fan.
I'll be like, oh yeah.

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Is that from Star Trek?
I bet it makes me one sane.

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Oh man.
Thank you insane.

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My buddy.
Might the guy we interviewed

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about the Rougarou.
Yeah, I thought he was gonna

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shoot me one day.
Anyways, man, that's wild

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Carlos, I hope that That we
answered your question there.

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Again this is just our opinion.
If anybody else is listening to

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this wants to comment in, on
their opinion, will be things on

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the posted on our Facebook
Twitter, Instagram about this

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episode.
Please feel free to leave your

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comments real quick before we
get going.

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I contacted a few my friends and
I said hey I know you guys have

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businesses is there?
Do you guys want us to promote

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your business on the podcast?
We're doing a fan appreciation

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episode.
And one of them came through her

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name is Ashley.
She works with me.

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She's active duty Navy and she
makes candles, she does these

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awesome Candles there, soy wax?
I don't know what that is, but I

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can tell you right now that they
smell fantastic.

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A lot of the titles are the
names of these these candles

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that she does stems from her
service in the Navy.

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Like we have one here.
That's called boat.

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Boo.
Nice.

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Isn't that awesome?
Does it smell like bo boo.

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It does not smell like bo boo.
I hope not smells like the trash

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room.
So, do either of you guys

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different where they melt down
Plastics, do either you guys,

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Guys want to explain to anybody.
That's not in the Navy.

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What about Boo is that's all and
there.

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It's a female companion or a
male companion, that someone

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might make well deployed for an
extended period of time that is

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separate from their actual
spouse.

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That's a very PG rated.
That's right.

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Hence, the name boat.
Boo.

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Yeah, yeah.
I'm going to go ahead and say I

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never condone that.
I also do not condone she's

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through, I can't tell you what
scent it is.

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I mean, obviously it's bhopu but
but it's Lou.

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What's it smell?
Like, I don't know.

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It's fresh though, whatever.
Like a Fresh Linen.

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Kind of smell.
Yeah, but it's also got, it's

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not just like, it's not like,
you just opened a tub of laundry

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detergent.
It's it's actually smells really

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good.
Jake.

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This is the one you're getting,
by the way.

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Aw, sweet.
Yeah, you're getting boat.

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Boo man.
Does it like, does it work

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itself out of that smell?
And then eventually it smells

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like, I don't want like two
weeks of you.

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Imagine if she was able to smell
really good and it really rancid

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as you can down like those
candles that smell like a dirty

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fart and and they start off
smiling like really good like

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Pine and then Minutes in, they
start smelling like a nasty, wet

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fart.
Oh, man, Perfect.

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All right.
After this, there's your

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recommendation as, for the sink,
for the candles, by the way.

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Thank you.
I appreciate it.

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We're talking trash about booze
but for the West, you're going

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to get Slutty.
Pumpkin Spice.

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I'll smell it.
It smells like pumpkin spice.

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Yeah, yep.
That's that's about right.

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It smells really good though.
So that's what you're going to

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get.
And the other one is also a Navy

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themed sent.
It's called Waffle Stomp.

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Do we have to explain what a
waffle?

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Something every single toilet is
backed up all at once and you

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gotta go, you know, where else
but the shower.

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So as Jake was saying, I also
don't believe it.

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Absolutely not, it's how you
break all your showers, some

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stories about that nasty.
So as Jake was trying to explain

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that on the ship, if all the
toilets are clogged up which

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happens it happens, it is fairly
often and you got a pope you you

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could do it in the shower and
stomp it down the drain which is

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shaped like a waffle.
I can't believe we're talking

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about this.
Oh my God but we all know what

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it is.
So I mean yeah yeah yeah it's

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the You know, I apologize for
any way it takes offense to

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that, but that is, that's what
waffle some is.

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And I can tell you that, it
doesn't smell like that.

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It just smells like waffles.
All right.

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All right.
Move along.

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Move Along.
Yeah, we're getting off track

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here.
Real quick, her website is to

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people and wax the n as in
Nancy.

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So, that's two people and
wax.com, you can visit her, she

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is an active duty sailor.
She makes a really good product.

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The stuff smells amazing.
The waffle stop flavor that I

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have is actually wax.
Melts flavor.

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Yeah, the I don't know what else
to say the sense meant for

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Waffle stump is sent their wax
melts and I put them right in my

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son.
See thing I'm going to be

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sending you each one of these
two cool.

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All right.
So, I don't know if you guys

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have wax melts but you have wax.
All right.

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I'll take it.
Waxed my surfboard with it.

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It's all right.
Yeah, cool.

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And that's that's that for that
because I didn't get anybody

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else that wanted to advertise.
I said, free advertisement, and

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nobody took it.
So, all right.

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Next time, if anybody's
listening to this episode and

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they have something that they
want to advertise, we're doing

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our next fan appreciation
episode, let me know what Be

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glad to put your stuff out there
for free.

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It's free, it's fan
appreciation.

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We're appreciating you that
basically gets us through

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questions and advertising.
Awesome.

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Now we're on to the meat, you
ready?

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Hey, alright.
So we had we had three people

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comments with questions, Carlos,
Grayson and Nick Nick.

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Unfortunately.
We are not going to do any of

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your questions because we are
actually going to make those

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into full episodes.
So we do really appreciate your

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questions but we're just not
going to touch on them today.

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You will hear us talk about them
in length just not today.

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Alright, let's start off with
Carlos.

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Carlos was the guy that asked
the question about the

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Consciousness slipping into
another Universe after you pass

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away?
Carlos was asking us if we would

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like to talk about spontaneous
human combustion.

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So it's not as crazy of a story,
as you would think it was.

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If you didn't do any research on
it so it looks like most of the

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studies on that happened in the
80s, the stories about it,

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started in the Victorian era and
it was believed that people that

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spontaneously combusted were
alcoholics and that wasn't too

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far from the truth.
Because usually the people that

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That were affected by this.
A lot of them were alcoholics

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either.
They were inebriated to the

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point of not being able to
function and save themselves

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from burning up or they were
elderly.

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They were people that were obese
somehow, you know, ours in some

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way they were close to death
anyway.

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So maybe they died in their
sleep or they took sleeping

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pills and were unconscious or
whatever thing was So I did some

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research into it and if you
don't know, spontaneous, human

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combustion is a concept of the
combustion of a living.

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Or recently deceased human body
without an apparent, external

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source of ignition, potential
causes and mechanisms, including

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victim, behaviour and habits
alcohol consumption and

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proximity to potential sources
of ignition, as well as the

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behavior of fires.
That consume melted fats,

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There's a study done in 1984 by
science investigator Joe Nickell

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and forensic analysis, John
Fisher, and these are the six

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categories that they came up
with of the victims of

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spontaneous human combustion.
They said the victims are

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chronic alcoholics.
They're usually elderly.

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Females, the body has not burned
spontaneously but some lighted

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substance has come into contact
with it.

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The hands and feet.
Usually fall off.

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The fire has caused very little
damage to Double things in

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contact with the body and the
combustion of the body has left

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some residue of greasy fetid
ashes in a very offensive odor.

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So what they concluded was that
the case has had a source of

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ignition, that wasn't apparent
right away.

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But the ignition Source was
close to the body say, like a

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candle, a lamp, a cigarette, a
fireplace whatever it was and

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then the bodies were usually
found on things like mattresses

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chairs and blankets Etc.
And those were burning up but

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not the area surrounding it due
to the wicking effect.

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I pulled a little thing real
quick.

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I'm going to read it and this
explains the wick effect, the

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wick effect, hypothesis suggests
that, a small external flame

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Source such as a burning
cigarette.

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Charles the clothing of the
victim at a location, splitting

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the skin and releasing fat which
is in turn absorbed into the

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burnt clothing acting as a wick,
the combustion can You.

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As long as the fuel is
available, this hypothesis has

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been successfully tested in pig
tissue and is consistent with

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evidence recovered.
From cases of human combustion,

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the human body typically has
enough, stored, energy, and fat

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and other chemical stores to
fully combust the body, even

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lean people have several pounds
of fat in their tissue.

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This fat once heated by burning
clothing, Wicks into the cloth,

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such as candle wax and
basically, it just burns away as

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long as that fuel sources there.
They said it's something to do

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like a, if you have a campfire,
you can sit reasonably close to

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a campfire, but you won't
necessarily catch on fire unless

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there's a fuel source on you.
So, that's why say, the mattress

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was all burned up because it was
wikked from the fat of the body,

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but not the rooms around it.
So when people were coming up on

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these crime scenes or whatever
they were, just assuming that

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this person just burst into
flames, where the reality of

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situation is say, This person
was obese or they were an

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alcoholic or they're old.
And they had a heart attack and

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I died.
Maybe they're smoking a

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cigarette, they dropped it on
their clothes, the smoldering.

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Let their clothes on fire and
then it just set their bodies on

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fire.
The fats mixed in with whatever

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they're sitting on or laying on
and then that burned up as well.

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But once all that fat Source the
ignition fuel source was gone,

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maybe the fire wasn't as hot or
it didn't spread and it just

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smoldered out and then that was
it.

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And then The hands and the feet
are all that's left.

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It was it was really interesting
to research this but it was

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really a letdown because I was
really hoping they're going to

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say yeah people just blow up
yeah that's what it is.

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And that's honestly I saw a
quote from a science writer from

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1987 that said exactly the
opposite of that, his name's

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Benjamin Radford, he's a science
writer and Deputy editor of the

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Science magazine and skeptical
Inquirer.

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This is from 1987 and he's
quoted as saying, If spontaneous

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human combustion is a real
phenomenon and not the result of

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an elderly or infirm person,
being too close to a flame

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Source, why doesn't it happen
more often?

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There are five billion people in
the world and yet we don't see

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reports of people bursting into
flames while walking down the

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street pretending football,
games or sipping, a cup of

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coffee at the local Starbucks.
So the reality of the situation

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is for spontaneous, human
combustion.

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Is that even though it looked at
the time, more like, the people

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were just erupting in the
flames.

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Lie.
There is more, so a logical and

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scientific explanation for it.
So I was kind of let down by

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this because I have lived up
until this point believing that

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that's just something that
happens.

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The original thing that I saw
was it was methane-gas buildup

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in your guts and then people
just bursting into flames and

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this was something that could
happen to anybody at any time.

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And it's only a matter of time
before it might happen to you

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that sort of thing.
But it turns out that it's more

453
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:19,300
along the lines of people die.
And then if back in the

454
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:23,000
Victorian era there, their lamp
falls on them or whatever say

455
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,800
they fall against it and then it
falls on them and then sets them

456
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,200
on fire and then it's smolders
out and then people rolling up

457
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,200
on that and her being like, Oh
my gosh.

458
00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:37,200
She spontaneously combusted.
Here's this alcohol bottle in

459
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,300
this person blew up.
Yeah, so it's an interesting

460
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:44,900
research topic.
It was interesting to get into

461
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:47,300
it.
But like I said, kind of a

462
00:26:47,308 --> 00:26:50,900
letdown.
I remember, growing up my

463
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:53,800
introduction to spontaneous
human combustion was in one of

464
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,500
those Incubus songs camera
exactly which one it was, but

465
00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:59,700
they refer to spontaneous human
combustion.

466
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,200
I looked it up, you know, which
one I'm talking about, right?

467
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,500
Yeah, I can't think of the name
of the song but I guess I can

468
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:08,500
hear it in my head.
Yeah, it'll come.

469
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:13,100
So I looked it up and I was kind
of young and I actually kind of

470
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,500
the same thing as you Jake.
I just kind of thought that was

471
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:18,000
a thing, right?
That, you know, I was going to

472
00:27:18,008 --> 00:27:21,900
be dealing with this more often
than I did in my life quicksand.

473
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:23,600
Yeah.
I like quickly.

474
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:28,600
Literally, we just think of it.
And yeah, I mean, it's kind of

475
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,400
weird because I I It's a very
long time, not thinking of

476
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,200
spontaneous human combustion in
my life.

477
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:38,100
And the only time I really
thought about it, I guess, was

478
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,600
when that song would come on.
That's that.

479
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,600
I mean, it makes perfect sense.
The the science and behind it,

480
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:46,700
the burning fat, and the bodies
and the waking of the sheets and

481
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:49,900
stuff.
Yeah, I buy it 100%.

482
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:54,800
It makes her a lot more sense,
definitely.

483
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,900
I'm going to go ahead and
continue living the rest of my

484
00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:00,500
life.
Like I didn't do this research

485
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,400
and just believing that people
explode.

486
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,600
It's more fun, it's honestly a
lot more fun than reality.

487
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,100
So I'm going to do that.
You guys can take it or leave it

488
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:13,900
but awesome debug.
Now something to scare my kids

489
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:16,800
with you better go to sleep or
else you'll miss the bus.

490
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:27,900
Means she crazy or explode seen
it before, you know what stops

491
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:32,000
you from exploding, broccoli,
broccoli and milk.

492
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,300
That's right.
It's going to say, be no.

493
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:40,800
All right, moving on.
So the next topic comes from

494
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:42,800
Grayson.
Actually the next two topics

495
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,200
come from Grayson, Grayson wants
us to talk about the Mary

496
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,600
Celeste, Ghost Ship you guys.
Ever heard of that?

497
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:54,600
No, I have, but I may be
mistaking, it with another ship

498
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,100
that I've heard about, but was
it something or ship that was

499
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:02,000
found near the Bermuda Triangle?
Or is that not it?

500
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,000
I think it's actually your
Portugal.

501
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,100
Oh well then I, okay, I'm
complete even close.

502
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:13,500
Yeah yeah disregard but it's on
the Earth, right?

503
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:17,400
So yeah, of course our clothes
some kind of clothes there.

504
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,300
Yeah.
Anyways, The Story Goes Like

505
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:27,300
This, the ship the Mary Celeste
on December, 4th 1872 was

506
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:31,100
discovered deserted and a float
off the coast of the Azores

507
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:34,100
islands off.
Portugal, the Canadian

508
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:38,400
Brigantine ship, degrazia
discovered the ship with,

509
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,600
absolutely nobody on it.
And one of the ships sails half

510
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,600
Mass, the other one was at full
Mass, Pain coming up to the

511
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,500
ship, the captain of the gratia
ordered.

512
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:58,200
His crew to board the Mary
Celeste and found that there was

513
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,700
not a single person on the ship
and everything was exactly how

514
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:06,700
it would be.
If people were living, the

515
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:08,500
clothes were all folded up.
Nicely.

516
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:10,100
Everything was tucked away,
neat.

517
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:14,300
The decks were nice and neat.
Nothing was mangled or anything.

518
00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:19,200
So there was no evidence of
pirates or anybody else coming

519
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,900
on board, the ship and taking
the crew hostage, there was no

520
00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:27,500
signs of distress.
Was this the was this the ship

521
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:31,200
where they found the Captain's
Log and ahead of entry from that

522
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,400
day or from like the previous
day?

523
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:39,900
It did it wasn't from that day.
The last log was actually 10

524
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:44,300
days prior, okay?
And the coordinates were

525
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:47,100
actually about 10 miles away
from where it was found.

526
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:51,600
So it wasn't very far so they
don't isn't far at all.

527
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,000
Yeah, so the crew disappeared
somewhere between 10 days to a

528
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,700
couple hours before the ship was
discovered by, dagradi has crew.

529
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,600
There's a lot of different
theories here, you know,

530
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,100
theories extend anywhere from
Foul Play Mutiny of the crew,

531
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:12,400
piracy attempt to insurance
fraud alcohol fumes from the

532
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,200
cargo because they were shipping
alcohol inebriation from the

533
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,200
crew.
Natural disasters such as

534
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,900
earthquakes or waterspouts.
Even the the woo of attack from

535
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:25,600
a giant squid and even
paranormal activities.

536
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,900
So it's off the coast of
Portugal.

537
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,500
Yes, the Azores Island.
So I'm going to go ahead and say

538
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:35,500
that they pulled into Port.
They found out that the

539
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:39,100
Portuguese people have a pretty
sweet deal and they just said

540
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:43,300
yeah, leave the ship and it just
floated off how far off Coast

541
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:47,000
was it found though?
I'm not sure actually I didn't

542
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,300
see anything about that.
Just says off the coast of the

543
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:53,600
Azores Islands.
It doesn't, I wasn't able to

544
00:31:53,600 --> 00:32:00,100
come up with an exact distance.
But I gotta tell you, I said,

545
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:02,600
Captain's Log.
The first thing I thought of was

546
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,600
that the Borg attacked?
I don't know.

547
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,300
Oh my gosh.
I am not even like a big Star

548
00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:13,100
Trek fan, but I know what that
is and the Borg.

549
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:14,800
That's right.
Oh my gosh.

550
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:17,700
Jeremy's got some homework ahead
of them.

551
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:24,800
I mean it is a strange thing.
You would think that if this was

552
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,700
done by Pirates or people that
were taking the crew hostage

553
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:29,400
that the at least the alcohol
would be gone.

554
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,500
Yeah.
But every piece of cargo was

555
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:34,700
accounted for.
There was a log in the ship that

556
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:36,700
stated what was actually in the
cargo.

557
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:41,900
Everything was their beds were
made clothes were folded.

558
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,200
I want to say that I even read
something about where a card

559
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,400
game was left on the table.
The crew consisted of the

560
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,900
captain, his wife, his daughter
and seven crew members.

561
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:56,500
So there's a, there's a crew of
10 total and they all just

562
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:59,400
disappeared.
Now, one little piece of

563
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,400
evidence that could tell you
maybe what happened was that the

564
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,500
Lifeboat was no longer there.
So you know the Lifeboat was

565
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:11,100
either taken or use to get off
the ship.

566
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,200
But the question is, why did
they leave this ship?

567
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,100
That's more my question that.
Okay, so now this is jogging.

568
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:18,900
Marie.
I remember reading about this

569
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,600
when I was in like middle school
because I was all until this

570
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200
weird stuff.
Think one of the theories was

571
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,100
may possibly the crew thought
that the cargo they're carrying

572
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,100
presented a hazard of some sort.
So they all got onto the

573
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:35,300
Lifeboat and moved away from the
ship just in case they possibly

574
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:36,900
thought it could explode or
something like that.

575
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,400
Hmm.
And then they wasn't able to get

576
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,600
back to the ship and that's why
it was found with basically

577
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,000
everything as if they had just
disappeared.

578
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,100
When possibly, it was just as
simple as.

579
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:50,300
Is that?
Yeah something like that makes a

580
00:33:50,308 --> 00:33:53,000
lot of sense you know they got
off the ship because they smell

581
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,500
fumes or something coming off
from the alcohol and I don't

582
00:33:56,500 --> 00:34:00,900
know some something they had
combust with the alcohol fumes.

583
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:04,800
They got off, maybe in some bad
weather and the Lifeboat ended

584
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,000
up going astray and they never
found their way back to the

585
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,900
ship.
That's what it sounds like the

586
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:14,900
crew was never heard from again
and the the Marie Celeste ended

587
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:20,199
up getting sold at Poor in
Gibraltar mmm and ended up

588
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:22,900
living.
I think another 8 to 10 years

589
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:26,800
until the new captain ended up
crashing it into an island for

590
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:29,000
insurance fraud.
Hello God.

591
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,500
Yeah, dead serious.
So that's funny.

592
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,199
Nobody wanted that shit, but
that's it.

593
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,100
Now, that story.
I mean, it was an interesting.

594
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:42,500
I enjoyed reading about it.
I found many many sources on the

595
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:44,400
topic.
So it wasn't very hard to

596
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,400
research, but while I was Doing
some research on there.

597
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,800
I found some extremely
interesting Ghost Ship stories.

598
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:55,400
Hmm, maybe we'll have to do a
full story on ghost ships, one

599
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,100
time because that happy fun that
there is some really good stuff

600
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:00,500
out there.
Some really head-scratching

601
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:02,500
stuff.
Absolutely.

602
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,200
Now don't go ship hunting one
time I was living in the

603
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,300
barracks and I had some friends
from work show up at literally

604
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,400
like midnight and said, hey,
we're gonna go drive three hours

605
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,200
to try to find Ghost Ship.
You want to come I was like,

606
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,000
okay, and he drove three hours.
So like Southern Virginia

607
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,200
somewhere to find a ghost ship.
You find it?

608
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,200
We did not.
Maybe it really is a ghost ship.

609
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:28,600
Yeah.
This was there.

610
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,300
You see you see all that water
moving.

611
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,700
It's displaced.
That's why it's a ghost ship.

612
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,200
That's right.
You can see ya.

613
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:37,200
So yeah.
Maybe we did see the Ghost Ship.

614
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,100
I don't know.
But we like, we could have.

615
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:42,700
We could have walked right out
the barracks for a ghost ship.

616
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:47,800
That's right.
Now it's supposed to be Some

617
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,900
super cool.
Like, green looking thing, as a

618
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:51,600
full moon, it was supposed to be
the date.

619
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,600
Was all right.
And everything.

620
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,800
And the, I don't know, but yeah,
didn't see anything.

621
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,700
So I guess we could say, we did
see something.

622
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:59,400
Thank you, Wes.
I was thinking this whole time,

623
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,600
it was waste time, but nope, I
saw myself a ghost ship.

624
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,500
One time.
Hey, tell the story.

625
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:12,100
That's right.
All right, all right.

626
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:14,500
Moving on to our last subject to
the night.

627
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,600
This one comes from Grayson as
well.

628
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:21,900
And This is going to lead us in
this and the topic is Croatoan

629
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,900
it topic.
Yes.

630
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:29,100
Soaked Rotorua is something that
is attached to the Roanoke

631
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:34,300
colony, which was supposed to be
England's first colony in North

632
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:38,300
America and then the new world.
Well, before, Jamestown, in

633
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:42,500
Virginia, was founded.
So England tried to found this

634
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,000
Colony on three separate
Expeditions.

635
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,800
So, there is initial one where
They came over just like checked

636
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,300
it out and like, all this seems
like a great place, there's lots

637
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:56,000
of wildlife, it's right on the
shore so they can fish or

638
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,700
whatever.
There's source of fresh water

639
00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:59,400
nearby.
So then they went back to

640
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,900
England and told the queen or
whatever about it and then

641
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:04,500
decide.
Okay.

642
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:07,300
We're going to attempt to settle
a colony here.

643
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,300
So the first attempt they came
over and there was roughly a

644
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:19,100
hundred and eight of them.
This was in 1585 they landed set

645
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,900
up their initial settlement and
whatnot and not too long after

646
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:26,500
that they had contact from the
local Native Americans.

647
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,600
The local tribe was the Seco
tan.

648
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:33,700
I'm probably pronouncing that
wrong, forgive me, if I am, and

649
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,500
they had a good relationship at
first, but then ended up

650
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:40,900
becoming In due to colonies,
over-reliance on the local

651
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:44,100
tribes food, the tribal leader
at the time.

652
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,800
I'm not even going to try to
attempt to say his name.

653
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:54,600
He was a fan of the settlers.
He saw no ish like, no problem

654
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,400
with having a relationship with
them where they could, you know,

655
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,400
help each other out that
relationship soon began to sour

656
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,100
after the colonies over-reliance
on them.

657
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:10,000
And then things got hostile.
Oh, and that of initial

658
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,300
settlement had to go back to
England because it was about to

659
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:17,300
be war or not really a war, but
there's going to be conflict

660
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:21,300
between the two.
So then they came back and I

661
00:38:21,308 --> 00:38:27,400
think it was 1587 and they kind
of seem like they came over not

662
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,400
quite as prepared as they was
the first time.

663
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,900
So they still had mixed
relations with the local Native

664
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:39,000
American tribe, but they were
each kind of like sticking to

665
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,700
themselves.
Not bothering the other.

666
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,300
So this second colony was led by
a man named John White.

667
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:49,800
This is the colony that became
known as The Lost Colony because

668
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,800
John White, he end up having to
go back to England at some

669
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,200
point.
Because the second colony, they

670
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,000
wasn't able to get up on their
feet.

671
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,200
They're running low on supplies,
so he's like, all right, I'm

672
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,300
going to go.
Act England to get more supplies

673
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:06,400
and so he left.
Well by the time he got back to

674
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,900
England, the anglo-spanish war
had started and this delayed his

675
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:15,100
return, back to this Colony, it
delayed him by two years until

676
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:18,100
in 1590 upon his arrival.
Coming back.

677
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:21,100
He found that settlement had
been fortified but also

678
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,700
abandoned.
And then the word Croatoan was

679
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:27,800
found carved into a post, for
one of the walls of the

680
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,000
settlement, which this man John
Dwight interpreted it to mean

681
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,900
the colonists had relocated to
Croatoan Island, which is a

682
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:39,000
Barrier Island kind of off the
coast of where they had set up

683
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,100
this Colony.
But before he could follow this

684
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,900
lead rough seas and a loss,
anchor Force, the rescue mission

685
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:48,200
to return to England.
So, from other sources that I

686
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,000
read, he on two separate
attempts attempted to go out to

687
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,100
this island, to see, if this is
where they moved to, for

688
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:58,100
whatever reason.
But on those two attempts, he

689
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:02,000
encountered bad weather storms,
and And because this wasn't his

690
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,400
boat.
He basically charted this from

691
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,600
someone else, they had to turn
back and then he wasn't able to

692
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,600
try third time because that boat
had to go do its own thing.

693
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,700
All the information I was able
to gather it's almost like he

694
00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:15,700
had no choice but to give up
wasn't necessarily his choice

695
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:17,800
but that's all he could do at
that point.

696
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,400
So later on, you know, there's
still people that are actively

697
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:25,300
preserving and searching the
site of the initial colony.

698
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,400
They found some interesting
things that shines a light on

699
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,900
where what happened to the
colonists, possibly, so when

700
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:36,900
John White left, the colony
initially to get supplies

701
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:40,300
relations with the local
indigenous population was

702
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,300
strained, but that's not to say
that it continued.

703
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:45,700
So there was a lot of people
that believe that local Native

704
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:49,300
American tribe ended up
attacking the settlement and

705
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:51,900
killing all the colonists.
But there has been no evidence

706
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:54,800
to show that there's like a mass
grave or anything like that.

707
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:58,200
It haven't found Like any
remains whatsoever of the

708
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,600
colonists.
So, that's pretty much been

709
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,900
proven to not have happened
mostly but there's there's a lot

710
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:09,500
of speculation about it still.
There's so many different wild

711
00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:12,300
theories about it.
Another theory is that the

712
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:16,000
colonists were unable to survive
without all the supplies that

713
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,400
they needed and because of John
White's delay and coming back

714
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,600
because of the anglo-spanish
war.

715
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:25,500
They end up just dying either
starvation or from disease.

716
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:29,300
Is that their bodies wasn't
ready for because, you know,

717
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:32,500
they came from England and here
in North America.

718
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:35,900
Maybe there's different forms of
bacteria and viruses and stuff

719
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:38,500
that they've never encountered.
So their, immune system wasn't

720
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,200
able to handle it and they end
up dying.

721
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,500
But I think the most popular
theory that I found was that

722
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:47,600
what remained of the colonists,
the ones that survived ended up

723
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,700
separating, two small groups and
moving Inland, because they

724
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:55,300
found a map that have like a
star symbol on it.

725
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:58,100
You know, a lot of people think
that this was like a four or

726
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:00,600
something, like they knew they
wouldn't be able to survive

727
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,300
right on the coast.
So they move further.

728
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:04,900
Inland hoping that the luck
would be better.

729
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,700
Maybe set up a smaller Colony or
settlement further Inland.

730
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:13,000
Because according to this map,
where the star symbol was at.

731
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:17,400
It's roughly 50 miles Inland
from the coast, so most people

732
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,900
believe that they end up
splitting up in smaller groups

733
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:23,600
moving Inland, maybe to this
location where, you know, the

734
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,400
symbol was on this map that they
found.

735
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:28,800
But they also believe that it's
possible that what remained the

736
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,800
colonists ended up integrating
with the local tribes and living

737
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,000
out the rest of their time there
because they found some pottery

738
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:40,200
that matches the style of
pottery.

739
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:43,800
I guess that England produced at
the time, but they're not able

740
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,200
to carbon data or carbon dating
isn't accurate enough to

741
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,000
determine the actual date.
So they can't say oh this is

742
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,100
something they brought with them
from England or is something

743
00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:56,800
they made their while there.
In North America.

744
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,400
I got a couple of wild theories.
Yeah I mean there's tons of them

745
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,900
and it is strange because I mean
in first place.

746
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:08,500
Why would they carve Croatoan on
a post?

747
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:10,500
I don't know.
Maybe they thought that was.

748
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:12,700
The only thing that would
survive the length of time it

749
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,000
would take for John White and
the come back.

750
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:17,300
I don't know.
What do you got?

751
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,700
So, here's what I'm thinking.
All right, I get it.

752
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:23,600
I get the whole neighborly
relationship falling apart.

753
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,500
So these guys move in next to
you, right?

754
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,900
First, very simply, they want to
borrow sugar all the time, then

755
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:34,300
it's an extension cord that they
won't return and then they break

756
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:36,500
your Myers off, right?
So then there's all out War

757
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:40,400
because they're unprepared, they
don't have enough supplies.

758
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:43,800
You and your family, just
surround their house, and then

759
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,500
just start starving them out.
Once they finally give up, you

760
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:51,500
take them as slaves and you take
them to a different location,

761
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,100
maybe the Native Americans had
the name.

762
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:59,100
Croatoan, Owen was a location
that they had already named.

763
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:01,600
You know, we have our cities and
our towns that we named,

764
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,000
whatever that doesn't
necessarily mean that the people

765
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,500
that already live here, know
these locations by what we call

766
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:09,300
them.
They might know the locations

767
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:12,700
based off what they call them.
So, they're being taken to an

768
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:15,400
area that these Native Americans
are saying is Croatoan.

769
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,100
They scribe that on there.
Who knows where that is?

770
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:22,400
Because, as far as I'm aware
Native Americans, yes, they had

771
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,500
their whole area that they lived
in, but they would move.

772
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,500
With the food sources.
So they would travel with the

773
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,900
deer, migrating the the elk, the
whatever migrating.

774
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:36,300
So they're traveling with the
food sources, going to England,

775
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:39,100
and back is not what we think
where we get on a ship.

776
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:41,500
And we go, we hit up England in
a week.

777
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:46,200
They're taking months without a
war involved months and months

778
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,200
and months.
Yeah, so yeah, he's going back

779
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,400
for supplies because oh no,
we're not going to last the

780
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,800
winter.
He might be gone the entire

781
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,800
winner.
Just trying to get back.

782
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:58,100
Yeah.
So So them surrounding their

783
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:00,300
heavily fortified Fort.
Well, that's great.

784
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:03,600
You got big old fat gnarly
walls, where you can do about

785
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,300
food.
You spent all this time, working

786
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:08,000
on that.
So we just surround you, we wait

787
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,100
till you're hungry, enough that
you just give up.

788
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:12,800
This is where the Native
Americans are taking us, scribe

789
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,900
this on the thing.
And then they ransacked the

790
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:17,200
place and take them all his
prisoners or slaves or whatever.

791
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:22,000
If the relationship is tension
and then take them away or

792
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,500
aliens.
One of the two, it's like that.

793
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:28,300
You know, that was one of the
theories that they thought that

794
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:32,000
maybe the Native American tribe,
took them as slaves.

795
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,300
But most people believe that
that's probably not what

796
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:36,800
happened.
At least, the people that are

797
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,100
actually attached to the group
that studying the remains of the

798
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:43,100
settlement and nothing shown
that.

799
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:45,700
That's what they did.
Because they also apparently, I

800
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:50,900
guess interviewed relatives of
the tribe that are alive today.

801
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,100
Okay, cool.
So there's a lot of sources that

802
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:56,900
won't take spoken.
Word as like fact.

803
00:45:56,900 --> 00:45:59,200
But there's a lot of also a lot
of people that think that's just

804
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,700
as good is finding like actual
physical written, things

805
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:07,800
describing, what happened at
that time, you know, and the

806
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:10,200
people who are still alive, that
were relatives of these tribe

807
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,900
members or whatnot, never spoke
of anything like that happening.

808
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:17,900
So most people that are studying
this believe that the tribe

809
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:21,800
ended up taking in in a good
way, not necessarily as slaves,

810
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,700
okay?
So maybe that they were in fact,

811
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:27,700
starving.
Then but the relationship was

812
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:30,300
strengthened over time and they
end with them.

813
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:33,300
It's so could have been like Hey
we're going this place now.

814
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:36,100
Yeah, where we were calling that
Croatoan Island.

815
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,900
Maybe that's not what the Native
Americans meant when they said

816
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:40,300
Croatoan.
So they were like, yeah, we're

817
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:43,300
going over here.
And it's yeah, it's a big states

818
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:47,700
away where Croatoan came from,
like no one's really sure.

819
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:51,700
I mean it's very strange because
Croatoan the only thing that the

820
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:55,000
English knew about that was that
it's an island off the coast

821
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,900
there.
But there was nothing that would

822
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:58,500
make sense for them to go out
there.

823
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,900
Yeah.
Croatoan could have been a word

824
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:05,300
that the Native Americans used
while they were conducting

825
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:07,600
trades and they adopted that
word.

826
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:09,100
Yeah.
And named a place that, you

827
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:12,600
know, Croatoan like Jake was
saying that the Native Americans

828
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,600
could have had a place already
named Croatoan.

829
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:21,400
And in order to create an
outpost for trading, maybe they

830
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,500
planned on creating, you know,
like a pure system out on the

831
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:25,400
island.
Something.

832
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,200
Easier to get to and where it's
just a quick boat ride to the

833
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,200
island and back for us.
We know, maybe they're shallow

834
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,200
Waters around there and ships
can't easily get in.

835
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,800
So, creating a trade platform
out on the island, is the best

836
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,400
thing to do and they named it to
Croatoan.

837
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,700
So that there's one option, but
it's kind of comment on what

838
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:47,400
Jake was saying.
Could you imagine like, relaxing

839
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,900
and in your nicely wood cabin
shed that you just built on this

840
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:55,000
brand new land and your wife
comes in.

841
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,400
And she's like, Like we need
milk and you're like, okay, so I

842
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,100
go to the store.
Well, the stores in England, as

843
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:05,500
I don't care, get some eggs
while you're there to you're

844
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:09,500
like damn it you know give me
the keys and 12 people to man

845
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:12,400
the ship and whatever.
See you in six months.

846
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,800
Yeah.
And then you get there and

847
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,100
they're out of milk and you're
like damn it, she's gonna be

848
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:20,200
pissed, right?
So you get the bread or you get

849
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,900
the eggs and you're like, well
you start coming up with these

850
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:25,300
excuses as to why you didn't get
milk.

851
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:30,100
When you could easily just are
they were out so you get there

852
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:32,400
and she's like hey did you get
the milk you like man?

853
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,300
I forgot and she's like well go
back and get it and you're just

854
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,200
You know what?
Maybe this whole place needs to

855
00:48:41,207 --> 00:48:45,400
disappear.
Maybe I can strain the

856
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,900
relationship with these Native.
American people living next to

857
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:50,100
me.
No call for them constantly.

858
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:54,500
Yeah, you know, get on a serious
note, there's a lot of theories

859
00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:57,600
out there and one of them is
that they just moved simply

860
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,700
Inland.
I've heard that theory about the

861
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:03,000
natives, having a place that
they call Croatoan and they

862
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,700
simply just moved to you know,
with them and the or they

863
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:09,200
integrated their populations
together and actually I became a

864
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,200
tribe themselves.
There is some paranormal things

865
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,400
where they say that they were
abducted by ghosts and taken and

866
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:20,100
went went crazy and they all
just went out into the woods or

867
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:24,400
that a disease affected their
brains or something than their

868
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,600
minds bodies.
And they just, they just all

869
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,000
went crazy, you know, they left
and wander the woods and

870
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,000
eventually die from starvation
or being frozen to death.

871
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,800
But I do remember about Roanoke
that the Channel.

872
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,100
Roanoke colony was built on
Barren lands and the lands were

873
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:46,800
not good for crops.
So it was initially it was

874
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:51,400
supposed to just be a base at
first to establish some sort of

875
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,200
civilization but that they would
have to eventually move Inland.

876
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,900
Now, I don't know if you know
how waterfalls were made its

877
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:01,500
kind of going a little left
field here.

878
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:03,300
Just kind of explain their
situation.

879
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:09,100
The land that's closer to water.
It goes for anywhere in the

880
00:50:09,107 --> 00:50:14,200
world, but it's mostly loose
soil and earth, right?

881
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,500
So you have a lot of sand and a
lot of gravel and it doesn't

882
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:21,100
make good for crops.
But Inland, you know, once you

883
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:24,300
go past What's called the fall
line, do you know what a fall

884
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:28,200
line is?
No well, it's a, it's a natural

885
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:33,500
point where the land becomes
goes from Sand and Gravel.

886
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:40,600
To dirt and bedrock and Sand and
Gravel is constantly moving it.

887
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,200
Vibrates, you know, with every
shift in the tectonic plates, or

888
00:50:43,207 --> 00:50:48,800
what, not yet, the the land that
is on the, the seaside of the

889
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,100
fall line eventually gets lower
and lower, and lower in any

890
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:55,300
stream or river.
That's flowing across the fall

891
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:57,600
line, eventually creates a
waterfall.

892
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,700
Hmm.
So waterfalls, actually, in

893
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:03,700
Virginia, you can make up, nice
squiggly line that there.

894
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,300
All the waterfalls that go
across the fall line and they

895
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:08,800
line up perfectly with the fall
line.

896
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:16,000
So the colony occur, Roanoke
simply just picked a bad place

897
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,300
to be, you know, they were too
close to the ocean and they did

898
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:24,400
not have any good soil to grow
their crops in and they simply

899
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,300
needed to get past the fall
line.

900
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:29,000
I don't know if they knew that
they actually needed to get past

901
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,400
the fall line, but I'm assuming
that they, at least knew from

902
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,100
where they came from overseas.
He's that they at least had to

903
00:51:35,107 --> 00:51:38,800
go Inland a little bit more to
get to more fertile lands.

904
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,200
I think they would know about
that because, I mean, that's,

905
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,800
that's probably something you
have to deal with almost

906
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,200
anywhere on any Coast, you know,
mmm, ordered equivalent of it.

907
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:52,900
I don't know, because the
coastlines over there are more

908
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:57,000
cliffie, not all of them.
I mean, they're famous for,

909
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,000
like, they're Cliffs of Dover
and what not really Rocky

910
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,200
though.
If literally all their Shores

911
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,600
were Cliffs, then Then where the
ports and whatnot.

912
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,300
I mean, that's fair either.
Way, if I had to put a guess on

913
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:13,300
to it they tried to move Inland.
Yeah.

914
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,900
Or or they integrated with the
Local Natives.

915
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:19,000
I think that's what most people
agree on, is that they end up

916
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,200
moving Inland.
It is a nice spooky story to

917
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,500
read about and to ponder every
once in a while.

918
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:27,600
But I think it's easily
explained.

919
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:31,200
Yeah, maybe they intersected
with their own selves in the

920
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,600
Multiverse and they were like
this, this way is much better.

921
00:52:39,100 --> 00:52:43,800
All right, well that pretty much
wraps up that segment.

922
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:46,900
I have one other segments very
quickly.

923
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,600
I've been getting a pretty big
rise in recommendations for

924
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:57,200
second parts of some of our
previous episodes so asking for

925
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,800
a second part.
Yeah.

926
00:52:58,900 --> 00:53:01,600
Hmm.
Two episodes actually that

927
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:07,100
people want to hear more about
which episodes one of them is

928
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,600
sleep paralysis.
Oh, no.

929
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:16,700
They want to know more about it.
So they want us to take a deep

930
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:20,000
dive into sleep paralysis, and
do a black hole episode where we

931
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,900
go into more of the science and
lore behind it and more about

932
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,100
the black figure.
Mmm, I've had a lot of people

933
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:29,700
come forward to me and say that
they've had experiences with

934
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:33,600
sleep paralysis.
And that episode, creeps them

935
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,400
out.
And there's a lot of people that

936
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,900
have came up to me.
This said that they no longer

937
00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:40,600
sleep on the back on.
Back because they don't want to

938
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,400
have an episode of sleep per
hour and then there's this one,

939
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,600
crazy guy at work.
This is I sleep on my back

940
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,900
overnight.
Now I sleep on my back a lot.

941
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,300
I mean I'm kind of interested to
know what that would feel like,

942
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,000
I don't do it on purpose for the
Press purpose of hoping that I

943
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,900
get sleep paralysis, but it is a
thought.

944
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:04,000
In my mind, whenever I do lay
down my back, it is strange.

945
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,600
That's the most comfortable
position for me since my body's

946
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:14,000
old, and, Pretty filling in the
joints and whatnot, Snap,

947
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,200
Crackle, Pop, I am not a back
sleeper, I I can't do it.

948
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:22,500
I say, face down in the pillow,
separating myself every night.

949
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:30,000
I do get dumber and dumber as
the days go by the other episode

950
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,100
that I think you guys would be
excited to hear about, and I

951
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:36,300
didn't think this was the case.
But apparently it is because

952
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:40,200
I've had three people come up to
me and Last week alone and then

953
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:44,400
person couple weeks prior to
that say they want us to do more

954
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,600
missing for 11.
Whoa, nice, that'd be fun.

955
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:54,500
Yeah, I've actually I've been
approached by three people this

956
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,200
week.
One of them said to me that they

957
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,300
like I'm listening to both of
them for the second time.

958
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:04,300
I am halfway through the first
one and he's like, it's just

959
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:06,300
mind-blowing.
That that's some of this stuff

960
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:07,900
is like that.
He goes, I had to do my own

961
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:10,400
research.
And come to find out that a lot

962
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,200
of the stuff you guys are
saying, is very true.

963
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,500
So he's like, I want to know why
I had to show him where he can

964
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:18,500
buy the books where he can watch
it on YouTube.

965
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,800
He's like you guys have to do
more.

966
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:25,200
Another guy would told me, those
are his favorite episodes.

967
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,200
Awesome.
Another girl said that she

968
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,300
couldn't she couldn't listen to
any more of this.

969
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:36,800
So she actually she ended up W
listening to the rest of it.

970
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,400
But she said that she had the
listen to it and B because she

971
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,900
has a son herself and you know
she has a connection to a lot of

972
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:47,000
those.
But you know it is something

973
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,200
that people are are wanting to
hear more of.

974
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:54,300
So maybe we'll touch on more
missing for 11 episodes and

975
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:56,000
season 2.
Hmm.

976
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,700
Just put that in your in your
pocket and we'll pull it out

977
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:01,400
later.
Awesome.

978
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,000
So basically what I'm getting
from this is that our audience

979
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,000
is mostly into dark disturbing
stuff.

980
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,600
So if we keep it on the topic of
like demons dead, people will

981
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,800
just shoot through all the
levels of listenership we want

982
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,700
High.
I've got a I've got a topic that

983
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,000
I've been really wanting to get
an episode in but I think I'm

984
00:56:22,008 --> 00:56:24,000
going to have to wait till
season two because it's going to

985
00:56:24,008 --> 00:56:28,700
require us to do a little bit of
deep diving into some some

986
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:31,800
studying and stuff.
So I'm not going to put it out

987
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,300
there right now.
I'll talk to both of you guys on

988
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:35,800
the outside.
We've talked about it slightly

989
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,500
before, but I think that's
that's an episode that we really

990
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:43,200
need to maybe bring to the front
of the pile because I think

991
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,300
Jake's, right?
I think people want this dark

992
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:47,600
stuff.
They want to be scared.

993
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,300
Yeah, and this is, this has been
good.

994
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:57,000
Thank you to everybody that have
hit us up on person in our

995
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,600
Facebook as far as episodes go,
thank you to Carlos and and

996
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,700
Grayson and Nick.
For your suggestions Nick, we

997
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:06,800
will certainly be getting to
those in our future episodes

998
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,100
coming up.
We definitely have some really

999
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:12,000
good stuff planned.
I'm very excited to be back here

1000
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,900
with these guys.
The move process was crazy.

1001
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:19,600
One thing that I wanted to throw
out was that while I was driving

1002
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,500
cross-country?
I was filming little 20 minute

1003
00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:26,500
videos talking about the
Cryptids and the strange things

1004
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:29,500
in those States and it kind of
just having my own little

1005
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:32,500
moments of dialogue with Jake.
Jake.

1006
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,400
I will be putting those up on
YouTube, I just have to edit

1007
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:36,800
them.
Some misinformation.

1008
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,400
I threw in there that I was
going to just leave them raw,

1009
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,800
but I figure.
I'll just leave a mostly raw but

1010
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,800
correct, the mistakes.
I don't sound like too much of

1011
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,300
an idiot.
I'm excited to put those out.

1012
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:52,200
Hopefully, I'll be dropping
those here and this coming week,

1013
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,300
probably on a week-by-week
basis, but yeah, good stuff.

1014
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:59,000
Glad to be back, glad to have
this episode with Wes.

1015
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,300
It's pretty sweet.
Absolutely.

1016
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:04,500
It's a lot of fun.
Yep so we're recording this on

1017
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:08,000
the on the day that we just
dropped our first infinite

1018
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,600
rabbit hole in space episode.
It currently we're at 783,

1019
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,100
listens total on our podcast.
So we're going to break 800 here

1020
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:19,000
before this episode comes out
and I'm excited.

1021
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,200
We're getting to that 1,000 Mark
guys.

1022
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,200
That's a very cool.
A lot of.

1023
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:26,200
Yes.
I mean can we Daddy?

1024
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,100
Can we do it before our three
month birthday?

1025
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,100
Did we were so stoked for 100
lessons?

1026
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:34,400
And I know we were stoked for
10.

1027
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,900
Oh yeah, I did.
I mean, I'm not going to say

1028
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:38,300
that.
I didn't think that we would get

1029
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:41,000
here, but I didn't think we'd
get here this fast.

1030
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,300
Like that's pretty wild.
So more dark and disturbing

1031
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:45,900
stuff for sure.
Yeah.

1032
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:52,700
Let's get 10,000 by next week.
I mean we The podcast is blown

1033
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:56,400
up and we wanted to do this
episode as a thank you to the

1034
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,100
people who have helped this,
this podcast grow, this is going

1035
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:01,600
to be something that we do
regularly.

1036
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,900
We're going to try to get it in
once a season.

1037
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,200
We do want to interact with
everybody that supports this

1038
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,500
podcast.
So please, if you have a topic

1039
00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:14,200
or if you have comments or you
have questions, don't hesitate,

1040
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:17,200
let us know.
Type them down, you can email us

1041
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,900
at infinite rabbit hole at
gmail.com, we're up on all

1042
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:23,300
social Platforms, While most
social platforms.

1043
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,300
Now, we're on Facebook, Twitter,
Instagram find us let us know,

1044
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:29,600
send us this stuff.
We want to talk about it.

1045
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,100
We want to make it.
So that these fan, appreciation

1046
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:34,600
episodes are three hours long,
it doesn't matter.

1047
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,600
Let's talk if you want.
You guys want to come on and

1048
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,300
actually talk to us during a fan
appreciation episode?

1049
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,000
Let me know.
I would love to have anybody on

1050
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,500
that wants to come on and talk
about a strange subject with us.

1051
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:49,600
We do this podcast because we
like talking about strange stuff

1052
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,800
but we really want to interact
with you guys and we want you to

1053
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,300
get everybody involved.
Absolutely Other than that.

1054
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:59,800
That's it.
That's all I have, guys, you

1055
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,000
guys got anything?
No, no, I think it's all been

1056
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,300
said, except for Welcome Back,
Jake.

1057
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,700
Thank you much.
It's good to be back.

1058
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:13,400
It's going to be all set up.
Yeah, and Wes.

1059
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:17,200
It's really good to have you on
board to, man, I feel like we've

1060
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,700
got this podcast complete.
Oh, yeah.

1061
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:23,000
And we're ready to go full steam
ahead and some really awesome

1062
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,200
stuff.
Absolutely, I can't wait.

1063
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:26,800
Right.
That's it.

1064
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,600
Until next time, thank you for
joining us on this episode.

1065
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:33,300
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1066
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:36,200
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1067
01:00:36,300 --> 01:00:38,400
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1068
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,600
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1069
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,600
gmail.com.
Thank you again and have a great

1070
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:44,900
day.