UFOs: May 2022 Congressional Hearing on UAPs

0:02 I'm Gideon from the burning Vale podcast and you for listening to the infinite Rabbit Hole. Keep it up guys, you doing a great job. On May 17th 2022 at approximately 10:00 a.m. chairman mr. Andre, Carson of Indiana's 7th District, slam the gavel down and introduce the purpose of the United States Congressional hearing UFOs. And you a peas were Take front and center for this day's gathering.

0:44 In this opening speech, he details how a little over fifty years ago, the US government closed down the famed Project Blue Book, the project lasted about 20 years and was responsible for the investigation into UFOs, and their impact on our national security in 2017, we learned that our government yet again began, looking into this phenomena only this time, labeling them as you a peas or unidentified aerial phenomena. This new project that was started, up is now called aim sock or the Airborne object identification and management synchronization. Group Carson went on to describe how the stigma that goes along with UFO and UAP. Sightings and run-ins is unfavorable to this day. Military Pilots have been scrutinized for coming forward and Reporting their experiences and extremely valuable information has been swept under the rug and ignored for decades. The purpose of this Gathering is to cast aim, sock, Out of the Shadows to discuss this taboo subject. And finally bring it out into the Limelight Where I Belong. You a peas are real and the thread that they may pose a national security needs to be mitigated. Or at least that's what they're telling us. Welcome back Tim's, in a rabbit hole. Welcome back to the infinite

2:17 Rabbit Hole. I'm your host Jeremy. And today, we're going to talk about the Congressional hearing of May. 17th 2022, where they talked about unidentified aerial phenomena for those proper people, but I'm not proper. I'm kind of a kind of a knuckle-dragger. So I'm going to go with the UFOs today. Yes. And we're missing one of our cast members but it's okay. We have a special guest will get inside here in a second. Before we do that, lets go ahead and introduce Our Guest for tonight. Jacob, going on, dude. I just got done running at a hop in the shower real quick. And now I'm here, I heard it was a whole mile and a half. It was.

3:00 Yeah, yes maybe pods have to run. Now once a year, it used to be twice a year now once so yeah. So it's just probably I heard you're a shill to. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I'm going to be agreeing with everything that the Congress people said me to tell. Just people. Yep. Me too because we are paid opposition. Yep. And we have been briefed on exactly what we need to say to uphold National Security and the word of our masters. Yes to everything. Except for if it's know Then it's no right?

3:43 Yeah. All right. Ken's our Ally doing fantastic. You are you ready strapped in got my seatbelt on? Well, good. So seatbelt on here like a five-point harness. I'm going to start just clip clip. Clip the snap-in myself in getting ready. I've got a new chair coming. And I'm gonna do it too. Nice. I don't like we're gonna match. Yeah, it's gonna be great. So, this is kind of an impromptu episode. We didn't plan on doing this yesterday. Today is May 18th yesterday on May 17th. Congress held a hearing on you a peas and the birth of a messiah. So we're going to jump in and provide you guys some information detailed.

4:40 Description of what actually went down yesterday, not too much but there may be some stuff that some people missed and we're going to break it down as best we can, but before we do that, we're going to go ahead and introduce Our Guest for the day. Our guest making his second appearance on the infinite Rabbit Hole podcast and those that are, oh, geez of the show will know him from a very, very early episode. In fact, episode 10, he joined us as our very first guest from another podcast The episode was on extraterrestrials and enter dimensionals and he actually made me think quite a bit, which is really awesome mystery.

5:20 Mike from the hush-hush society conspiracy our makes his return to the infinite Rabbit Hole. Mike, welcome back. Can how you doing? Hello. Hello. Thanks for having me back. It's been a while. I'm looking forward to talking UFOs because I am also a knuckle-dragger that is that is good good because We need to Barney style this because let's be honest, a lot of people out there may not know a lot of the acronyms that were thrown around yesterday and may not know the language that was that was being used. So we're going to dumb it down Barney style it and at the same time, we're in a pretty Advanced and Mike I think you're a great fit for the night, man. You like talk shit and I love it. Let's do this.

6:06 Yeah, I'm ready. Just let you know. No, Jake and I are paid opposition. Yeah. And we are paid by the US Military, and the government, and the president, and the dod, and the d0j J and the department of the Interior, all the way down to the Department of toilet cleaners. Yeah. Even like the NSA. Yes, an essay and the na sa all the Working government can afford to pay anybody that they want because money isn't real. Yeah that's true. We're just we're just printing it out from our home printers at this point, O, we got to go to the grocery store, better. Print 250c told you talk shit, I love it. All right.

6:59 Any beginning, thoughts from any of you about yesterday be without getting too deep into it because obviously there's gonna be a lot of talking points tonight. General thoughts and ideas about what went there. My speaking from the standpoint of paid opposition or from Jake from Jake dude. Okay. Well that case not a tremendous amount was said, II was kind of getting to the end. Before I jumped on here I listen to it in bits and pieces like as time permitted considering when we had an episode last night to write so I was just like, just working on where I could fit in, listen to it, a couple minutes at a time, but all of the real juicy stuff seem to be cut off immediately in the like, yeah, that's going to have to be a private meeting and it's just like, okay?

7:50 So really, I don't feel like really anything was said besides a bunch of Of, I don't knows. I agree. Mike. What do you think, man? What are your initial thoughts on last night. So copy paste of 2021. Thanks. Yeah, just more paperwork involved this time. You know, these guys get together and Congress of course is going to pull the power card and say yeah you guys need to disclose all this stuff to us. We need to investigate this blah blah blah. The Pentagon kind of nods their heads and goes along with it but in Reality. They're not telling us anything. Even, even they, they could have the body of an, extraterrestrial laying on a table, you know, and Congress could look at the picture and go, it is this an alien. Well, we don't know.

8:40 It could be a Chinese spy, so they never fully fess up to anything. And they just kind of they give a little bit of lip service to Congress and Yeah, I think that's all we're going to get for quite a while. Don't disagree. At all, actually, like at all. Ken's are what do you think? Another 50 years. I'll be using another 50 years. I think we're going to get bullshit after bullshit after bullshit. Oh, probably. So my initial thoughts is There's gonna be a lot of pissed-off people.

9:20 Right. And I think that, you know, when you're dealing with the government, like what Mike was saying, you have to have low expectations, so everyone thought that this was going to be something where they're like, we're going to get the proof of aliens and and they're going to tell us what UFOs are and explain to us exactly the physics of interdimensional travel and all this, right? But really what this was was introducing a new office Under the department of the Secretary of Defense are, that's it? That's, that's literally what this was, was just reintroducing. A project blue beam, like, office in the government. That's what this was.

10:03 It's it's, it's another budget. Hmm. Yeah, that's what they introduced it more so than an office, they introduced a budget because from initial reactions, you could look at it and you could say, okay, they gave us a whole lot of nothing. But in reality, what it is is they gave us a whole lot of nothing. Purposefully it gave us a whole lot of nothing so that they could later go back to Congress. And say, if you really want us to look into this two or three trillion dollars might do it. Yeah, that that's probably what was being said in that closed session. So just for anybody, that didn't get a chance to watch or listen to this, there was two sessions.

10:45 One that was open and was public. So that Media could be there. We could watch it. We can listen in. Basically, this is your dumb down bullshit stuff, right? This is this is what they're putting out for public digestion, and it's exactly what we just said. It was, it was really wasn't much. There was some some slight tidbits in there, especially when we get down to one particular guys Comic-Con fetish, which was pretty but Like Jake was saying, there was some questions real like, hmm. I would like to know the answer that and then all of a sudden it was we got to save that for the later session.

11:28 I mean, that's substance in itself. The fact that he didn't just say no, you know, like the exactly a couple questions came up and I'm sure you have them written down. So, you know, hold my tongue on those. But it wasn't a no or if that's impossible or try again by or something like that. It wasn't anything. It was oh yeah, we need to talk about that in a closed session. It was like so, okay. There's substance there. There is something to be known there, which will be, we be sorry. Will we be allowed to know that information? Probably not, but it certainly doesn't help their case. When it comes to does the US government know about these, you APS, you know, whether or not their extraterrestrial or their drones, or they're, you know, our drones or whatever, you know, that's all, you know, Neither here nor there. The fact is that with just that statement of like that sudden like jerk reaction, we need to talk about this in a closed session.

12:25 Okay. There's substance there so that's cuz that is cool. And that's really why I wanted to talk about this because honestly I didn't think that there was going to be anything to talk about just like there wasn't 20 21. I mean we still ended up talking a little bit about it in 2021 when they came out with the Tic Tac video the Gimbal and the go fast videos which were pretty cool videos but we Seen them already, right? The government just came out and said that they were real. Okay, cool. Anyways, let's get into this. I'm going to dive into the opening statements by the chairman of the Congressional hearing from yesterday.

13:07 Does anybody else have anything to say before I jump into that? - oh no problem. Copy. All right so chairman Andre Carlson began the hearing with a few questions and statements directed at the two representatives of aim sock in attendance with June 2020 to deadline for implementation fast approaching. Why does the group not even have a main director assigned yet to what are the obstacles of getting it up and running three? Convince the audience, especially military aviators that the culture has changed around these objects and that those that do Do report you APS will be taken, seriously not as coocked or convince US Congress that you will be responsible with the facts and lead us to their proper destinations 5.

13:54 When aim SOG officially begins in June, all conclusions are on the table 6. And lastly aim sock is not starting from scratch. Mufon the mutual UFO unidentified flying object network. Has been collecting evidence for years chairman Carlson goes on On to detail that the last time that Congress had a discussion on uip as over a half century ago. And that transparency is desperately needed now. Okay, moving on to Congressman, Eric, Ellen or Rick Crawford. Arkansas's, First District after chairman Carlson's introduction to hearing, we were immediately introduced to Congressman Eric Allen. Crawford AKA Rick Crawford, mr.

14:37 Crawford, a US Army veteran Came Out Swinging with his first. I meant about is concerned about China and Russian technology involving Hypersonic weapons. And the concern that this Administration was so slow to Sharon actionable intelligence with Ukraine's are the ukrainians. It was, this reason that he believes that it is the US intelligence agencies responsibility to provide Intelligence on such technology to the taxpayers. This directly reflects reflects on the possibility that you ap's could pose a related threat to the US. Us and the world population. If they do pose a threat to us and our using similar or more advanced Weaponry, where are they coming from? He continues to state that the ICC or intelligence Community, needs to balance known and unknown threats better. We already do a poor job at sharing info, or finding info on known threats.

15:32 Let us not make the same mistake with unknown ones as well with that being said, mr. Crawford goes on to explain that there will be two meetings, one being Into public, which we were all able to see and one closed where they are to discuss classified and possible Public, Safety topics involving you a Peds to round out the opening statements. Chairman Adam Schiff, California's 28th District immediately following crop congressman, and Crawford statements and questions. The spot was delivered to Chairman Adam Schiff of California, 28th District. He goes on to repeat it. Lot of the information put out by The prior two speakers as well that it is his belief that they need to do it better at providing information for the public. As it has, proven that this information or a lack of information, only breeds distrust and the public the first question that mr.

16:28 Schiff, ask the panel is, whether our instruments can measure the you AP, are we able to record that there is actually something there? The human, I unfortunately cannot be relied upon in some cases, so can we measure it and prove its Assistance with other tools immediately after his question, he tells the panel about how his major interests lie in how these objects seem to be able to move against the laws of physics. So those are the opening statements from the three chairman of the Congressional hearing yesterday. Do you guys have any comments on anything that those three gentlemen, put out for their opening statements? Yes, you got.

17:10 So there's two sides of me, right? There's the key. Curiosity side and then there's the okay. They will that make sense. Sort of side. The Curiosity Set Side says, you know, if their poses a public safety issue or concern with these you APS, then why is it being discussed in a closed meeting? And then the okay, that makes sense side of me is saying, Either. This thing is these things are, you know, our aircraft or someone else's. But that there's so much at stake with the real information getting a leak, like, say this was a new type of stealth bomber right there.

17:51 I mean the I'm sure you'll say it and I'll just say briefly but the the Navy, the Navy intelligence guy. What was his name mr. Bray mr. Bray, he got up there and he said towards the end of one of his statements. He said Let me be perfectly clear. We never want our adversaries to know what, we're working on essentially is what he said, right? And so yeah, so that makes sense to me, you know, if this is something where Congress needs to get filled in that this is some new whatever that we're working on, okay? That makes sense but still going back to, you know, oh, you know possible public, safety concerns, honestly and truly. If they knew that there was a nuke being shot at New York City, I don't think that the government would say anything about it.

18:46 Sadly, I don't deserve in order to not cause a panic. I think that they would not say anything. They just let it happen. And then be like, oh my gosh, react afterwards, not react before. Like I don't have the level of trust to say that or like a meteor is going to take out all the West Coast. I have no trust that. That would Ever be put out. It would just they just go nothing. We can do, they're just going to happen, right? Let them live the last, you know, 20 minutes of their lives. You know, thinking everything's okay until this Fireball smashes into the into the the ground, right? But it just like And that's concerning to me.

19:28 Write that whole, you know, this could have a concern for Public Safety. Just saying that, but we're not going to talk about it so that anybody in the public can hear about it and we know for dang, sure. That Congress isn't going to put that crap out right now. Put out anything, you know. So it's just like, so I understand parsley and I decide, I'm like, that's pretty messed up. You know, where they doing? Are they probing everybody? You know what's the concern are stealing cars? Like those catalytic converter the thieves? Yeah. They're aliens. You know, travel light-years thousands of light years for your Cadillac to get the Platinum at the catalytic converters.

20:08 Yeah, ends are Mike anything from you, too. I got nothing. I will say that it's kind of the the general government answer to everything is that this is in the interest of National Security. This is in the interest of this is your best interest. We're looking out for you. Yeah. And you know, it's interesting that they're talking about the technologies that they're trying to keep secret the technologies that we're working on or the capabilities that we have within our military aircraft. Or anything of the sort.

20:54 But, you know, in the same day just what? 15 hours ago this morning, NASA said that China is incredibly good at stealing our technology. NASA said that. Hmm. So, I wouldn't put it past them to say okay yeah we're going to we're going to safeguard these secrets and we're going to do all that but I think definitively they definitely have an answer. But as I said, previously, it boils down to how can we get more money out of Congress? How can we get more of a budget to put towards that? DOD, that doj, that defense budget the military spending? That's really all it boils down to it boils down to how can we exploit?

21:48 This, they have the answers. They're just trying to be mysterious about it and they're trying to To, you know, act like they don't know things and they're there in the dark about all this technology and they're in the dark about all these videos. They're not sure. They know. You know, if you if you know the history of your government then you know the history of lying and it's pretty evident they did the same thing in 47. You know they did the same thing. The last time they were in front of Congress and then what happened? Congress went and approved a black budget and our military. Harry grew exponentially and the same thing is going to happen. They'll give them another year, they'll say okay? Why don't you guys come back and tell us what you have in? See what you figured out?

22:36 Did you guys get a director you know stupid stuff like that? They're going to hold on to but in a year you're going to see the same shit. Except next year, it's going to be the ask next year. It's going to be why don't you sign this check and we can really get down to work because then you're testing the patience of the American people. Your test. In the patient's for Congress and that's when you really get the ball moving and that's when you kind of paint people into a corner to get what you want. It's all power moves, that's all it is. You know every governmental department and sector is all sectioned off, it won't work together. They're not they're not you know just look at the military after time you guys don't even work together.

23:20 So right. You know it's it's it's no different with in the government's in the FBI and the CIA and all these other, all these other groups. It just doesn't, it doesn't melt together. It's all a power play too. Get more over and over and over again. So I don't know I'm skeptical of the entire meeting really but that those those opening statements are pretty much like a non start. You know it's it's we don't know anything you know will tell you later now back in a year and be like I'm sorry mr. Schiff, we only were able to buy five staplers with that three trillion supporters were So Wow, Mike.

24:03 So there's some stuff there that I didn't think about such as Maybe Jake and I can kind of expand on this because we are shells, government pox paid opposition. The thing is, is that the military has an extreme issue with under Manning right now. People are leaving left right being kicked out left and right and people are not joining. So, the budget there, this may be a grab for money. You're right. This just might be and let's just talk about this non-existent space force. Jake, it just a quick question. Have you ever seen one of these space force? Guys, I have I went to you.

24:49 Yeah, I went to vannin Vanderburgh Air Force Base 2 hours Northeast of or Northwest of my base and it's a, it's a missile base, right? The shoot missiles off there or Rockets rather like rockets into space gets shot off there. And I actually did see some of The Air Force guys running around with space force was which allowed patches on their pretty nuts and then they actually have space for scorns over there too. Like in the in the was it the store that they have whatever they call it for Air Force guys. But yeah it was you're ever up there again? Can you grab me was? Yeah.

25:30 Yeah. I'll be up there and said we really cool. Have you really freaking cool so I've never seen a space first person or Guardian as they're called. Never. I don't know, I don't know. Oh, what the fuck? They base Force Guardian. Yeah, that's what they're called. They're called guard. Honestly, I imagine it's similar to. If you got a job at SpaceX, you are not going to be piloting an aircraft or spacecraft, right? You are not going to be one of the astronauts per se because usually those are like, you know, military brass, right. They are the ones. I even like NASA. Right. My my cousin just got a just got selected for the NASA program.

26:11 And she is a commander in the Navy, and she's going to stay in the Navy but work for NASA and generally that's how it goes and maybe some of those guys leave and they go join us civilian, you know, sector like SpaceX right. But they need mechanics. They need electricians. They need are Framers, right? They need all these sorts of things because everything that's on an aircraft is on a spacecraft, right? More or less. So I believe it. It's pretty much what it is is that they're maintainers for the rockets and things like that. Now is it up and running to the point where they're actually doing that sort of stuff. I have no idea, right?

26:52 I'm not. Authorized to have that kind of information at all, but but I think that there is, there is a reason for them to exist, but I don't know what the reason is for the space force to exist, right? So the thing is like, okay, I can get that. They're super small right now, right? All right, in that, and they're probably in the face. Like what happens in the Navy when we get, like, new aircraft stuff? Navy is not allowed to touch things, until it's gone. Through all the tests. Ting, and right things and stuff like that, 35 and all that stuff. Yeah. Right it's all done by civilians. First before all the Publications, are written and everything and then we're able to get our hands on it.

27:34 But the thing is, is like, you know, I'll go to medical and I'll see soldiers, I'll see Airmen Aussie Sailors. I'll see Marines, I have never seen a guardian. Not not never not once. Have I ever seen one of those lockers? But I go take some pictures of them. They'll freak out. Yeah. Like like Bigfoot. Right now in the military show me that now more quality fuzz to yeah and I'll pay I'll get some patches and coins for you guys, they're pretty cool looking. Yeah. But no Mike might be Beyond something as in like, you know, that would be a reason why the space Receiving.

28:18 Exist in the first place, right? Because what does the space force do as far as I know what they do is basically what the Air Force does and that is satellites and Communications and stuff like that. Right there, they're not actually going to go live up on ISS or other space stations, you know, they're not going to go travel the distance or travel through the universe looking for extraterrestrial life in battle and galactical Wars and schilling, not going to be like Super Troopers are not. The only good bug is a bug.

28:59 This Super Troopers. Yeah it wasn't super know Bruce was the smoke. Sorry, I always control your thinking. Starship Troopers. Thank God. That's what it is for the win, Aang, Starship Troopers. Yes, there's people in there. The only option. Yeah, Starship my part. You know what, basically, what we know because Mike also hit on something else is that we don't necessarily work with the other branches, right? I mean, there's some, there's some co-op stuff that goes on training, exercises, whatever.

29:39 But for the most part, we don't, I mean, the whole, you know, if you look at the timeline of things that happen with space and you APS and everything. First, you have the birth of the space force. Then you had this drop of insane information to from 2021, that was just nothing. And then you have this Congressional hearing of 2022, it's like he's saying it's a progressional step. Boom boom. Boom like theirs. Setting up something, you know, I'm playing a part of Jeff right now, right? And saying this could be a fucking them. Setting us up something.

30:24 I don't know the exact word because I'm not doing nukes space nukes. You sure fake sobbing Fades space. Damn it Morty. Good stuff. Mike I try I brought my be game today. We're all on seasoned. He's right now. I never bring the a game, not even to my own shows through. Good good, good people. Don't expect much of you. That's good. Just like just like this Congressional meeting. Right. Low expectations. Oh yes. And now the whole world is talking about it. Are you guys ready to move on to the the panel, which I miss? That's what I'm calling because I don't know what the hell. The, the official red room is warm but the two people that represent a massage, I'm calling them the panel for the day. That's correct.

31:15 So, let's talk about their opening statements and their opening statements start with After mr. Shifts opening comments, we are introduced to our first member of the two-person panel that are representing a massage. The Honorable Ronald Moultrie. Mr. Moultrie begins his Deliverance by introducing other person on the panel for the day. The deputy director of Naval intelligence, mr. Scott Bray, mr. Bray will also be speaking on behalf of the Navy's, unidentified? Aerial phenomenon, task force. Or you a PT F, quick. Turn back to Ronald, moultry. He is the undersecretary of defense for intelligence and security Now, mr.

32:02 Moultrie immediately goes into defining the term do AP, which he defines as Airborne objects that when encounter cannot be immediately identified, then states, that, however, it is Apartments contention, that by proving, or by providing an appropriately structured Collective. Add a with rigorous scientific analysis. Any object that we encounter can likely be isolated, characterized identified. And if necessary mitigated, he then goes on to state that they know that our service members have encountered, you APS on many occasions and in order to determine their threat to Flight Risk, they are committed to discovering their Origins to do this.

32:44 They will they will be looking into one potential breakthrough platforms and potential Technologies to US government or commercial platforms, three Allied and partnered systems and for other natural phenomena to complete this new Mission. They will be opening up a new office Under the Umbrella of the office of the secretary of defense. Will they function statement of quote, facilitate the identification of previously unknown or unidentified Airborne objects in methodic methodical logical and standardized manner? These goals are to ensure that we are one working closely with operational Personnel on training and Reporting requirements to developing data in intelligence requirements.

33:32 Three standardizing and integrating processes and procedures for collection and operational, surveillance and Analysis. And Reporting leveraging, our research and development capabilities to improve detection, characterization and identification of you APS developing mitigating Solutions and procedures and Strategy and policy Solutions, mr. Moultrie then goes on to outline how this new office will work closely with the office of the Director of National Intelligence. The FAA, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, Noah the DEA and National, as well as National Labs Moultrie continues by stating that the office commits to openness and accountability to the American people.

34:19 However, it is also important to keep National Security in mind after the honorable Ronald Moultrie and introduces the basics of the new office mr. Scott, Bray and begins his opening statement. He begins by explaining that since the early 2000s, we have seen an increase in unidentifiable and unauthorized aircraft or objects, and Military and training zones. Reports have proven to be frequent increasing and continuing he then goes on to outline, a few important points on the Navy's. Unidentified aerial phenomena on task force, such as the importance of mitigating unauthorized objects in or around our no-fly zones military areas for safety of our personnel and operations. It's the Navy's.

35:03 You a PTF took a quote-unquote data-driven approach to the investigation to collect as much data as possible. And use all available resources to address their findings. The main objective of the, you a PTF was quote to transition you AP efforts from an anecdotal or narrative based approach to a rigorous science and technology. Engineering Focus. Standardizing reporting was one of their very first First missions, which helped create a standard way which you AP encounters would be reported for proper classification and documentation. This was completed by adding a forum for reporting to the knee board that pilots wear during flight operations and additional forms for post-flight debriefing. Seizures next, they tackled this stigma stigmatization of reporting, UAP encounters with the new forms and reporting procedures.

36:00 The stigma of reporting. Uh, AP encounters became much less taboo, due to the increase of reports being made on a regular basis to this date, they have over 400 reports, categorized and standard and the standard and Navy's Naval. Aviation is now if you see something, you must report it and their last efforts to date have been to incorporate new equipment on hand to help record the presence and encounters with said you APS along with these primary goals. There are a few others that were in. Want to the task force, as well, such as one, a sibling subject matter experts from the Department of Defense and intelligence community and other US government agencies and departments to developing the research and Acquisitions communities with independent partners and research.

36:50 Labs, three brought in subject matter experts from outside field, such as physics Optics, Metallurgy and meteorology for those that don't know what Metallurgy is. It is the study of the The property in the Netherlands, mr. Bray then describe, the task force has learned so far, so such as there is one, there is rarely an easy answer to any of these sites immediately after this answer, mr. Bray plays the very first video of the day, which seems to show a video taken by a pilot of some aircraft recording out of their port and pilot side windows. That shows a very brief flash of a silvery object near the front of the aircraft.

37:30 Be this video? Shown that many reports are simply filed showing something like this with very little or no other content whatsoever to when one of these reports are able to be classified it is often categorized into one of the five categories, one Airborne clutter to Natural atmospheric phenomenon 3 government or Industrial Development programs. For foreign adversaries systems and five other. After this part of his opening statements, mr. Braid been presents. His second video, which seems to show a recording of flashing triangular lights off the west coast of the us. The video is taken on board.

38:17 A u.s. naval ship through night vision goggles with a single lens, reflex camera. These you AP is remained unsolved and unresolved for several years after this video, mr. Bray. Then shows a picture which is taken from another coast and years later, and also through night vision goggles with a single lens. Reflex this picture. Also shows a triangular light and he explains that. This is an image of an unmanned aircraft and due to the light passing through the night vision technology and the single lens reflex. The image comes out, looking triangular BS. If you ask me, he then goes on to explain that proper classification is not always achievable like this example and he admits that in the past the intelligence Community has had to be less Forthcoming with results, as one would hope, but this unfortunately cannot be completely eliminated as some of the information gathering.

39:14 Can be sensitive to National Security, Bray. Then leads into the next topic of his opening statements and that is what the task force is doing now. He explains that they are focused on the official transition, into the new office of am SOG this closes, the opening remarks all lead parties and panelists present for the Congressional. Hearing thoughts. Bitches. Grapes ideas, everything thoughts? Yes. Okay, so I watched both of those videos, right? Hmm, and I mean, it was the easiest way to just dismiss both of those things by showing the grayest crappiest footage possible, right? Like, I watch them for like 15 minutes, trying to get a bead on that silver ball that By the airplanes over and over and over and over again.

40:13 You mean to tell me and all the technology that exists on this planet you couldn't have enhanced that image and slowed it down. So it was like going at like a hundred thousand frames a second. Like I see on Slow Mo Guys every night on YouTube, like all of the technology in the world and you had to pull out something from that stupid, like, movie playing app that everyone has on their crappy desktop. Computers and and try to. Oh, there goes, oh, there it goes. Oh, you missed it. There it goes like the entire time. I'm just like, it is so easy to dismiss, something like that. If you're just like, yeah, literally. The frame is, you know, a quarter of a second long and there's no way that this application can, you know, pick up on that.

41:01 So we're just going to keep skipping back and forth. Five seconds until Congress has. All right, we got to move on, let's let's give up. It's like oh oh oh We're no I'm just like you guys suck. All right, I know exactly what that was like. That was just the easiest way to just be like stop talking to us. We're going to show you some crap that you know, you can't possibly pull any sort of you know information out of Hungry. That's how I feel about that next. I would have to say that I agree with Jake about that. I think it was if you really look at it, look at how many reports were made over a long period of time. Look at how many videos exist whether they be civilian videos or military videos, there's a lot more that exists. Why would you pick those two?

41:57 You pick one that you could easily turn around and say, okay. Well. The camera played tricks on you and here's the night vision of it and it was probably just drones and you know, not a big deal. We identified this as nothing big. Okay, cool. And in a way, I think that's almost like a like a strategic pick that video in particular with the triangle formation. Because look at how many videos exist of the tr-3b. Yeah. All right. Look at how many Use exist of triangular craft that are in the air and the easiest way to kind of put them all to bed.

42:43 It's just to say, yeah, it's a drone. Yeah, formation of drones, whatever they want to throw out there. It's the way the light is going to the camera. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's kind of like a modern day, you know, Moonlight off the gas of Venus. Type of thing doesn't want us, you know, that's a modern-day Ploy on that and that's why they specifically chose that video. I feel like it was very strategic because to the lay person into a person who is just kind of peripherally interested in, what's going on, you look at that video and you go. Oh, I've seen those videos on YouTube and I've seen those videos on Facebook and Yeah, I've seen so many of those videos and now this man who is well-versed in what he's supposed to be talking about his military, he's in front of Congress, he's telling you, these are drones okay. Well I guess all those other videos are bullshit too. And that's that's a really easy way to dismiss all that as far as the other video goes.

43:57 You know, I think it's telling that when they look at the video and they go, well, we have no idea how this is, you know what this is. that's, that's In a way, what they came out and said was yeah, we want to try to figure this out. This is how we're going to try to figure it out. We're going to break it down based on science, the, you know, everything that that you mentioned about what we're going to do to try and really investigate this again all boils down to funding money money. Yeah, unfortunately. But again, I think it's more kind of like moving the Posts at that point you're just saying this is the best that we have right now. There there could have been a thousand other videos that they could have brought to congress with them. That were more convincing but a bunch of other videos that they could have said.

44:52 We can't explain this shit but I could have really better videos. Exactly. Exactly half the internet could write. So You know, and there's plenty of people that take video on the regular they're in hot spots across the country. There's video across the world. So you're telling me that they couldn't pull from those those Treasure troves of videos. And you could say well you know a lot of those are fake and a lot of those are CGI and blah, blah, blah. Listen, the government of all entities in this world have the means by which to tell whether a video is fake or So easily, they could have sifted through 100 videos. Let's just say small number 100 videos and said, okay, these 97 are all fake.

45:44 They're all put into CGI Photoshop. Whatever it may be, Adobe Premiere. And, but these three videos, these are real. Let's take a look at what these are. Can we explain this? So I don't know. I think it's, I think it was a move to pull from the crappiest selection of videos that they could find just to present something to condoms. Kids are what you got. It's really easy to take a couple crappy videos and blame something that everyone thinks they know a lot about like cameras. Right.

46:27 So that's what was going through my head. As you were reading that it's really easy to take a couple crappy videos and just blame the camera because What else could it possibly be other than the camera? Hello. So, let's, let's talk about this absolute shit explanation that they gave us as to why this light that's most likely spherical or circular is looking triangular through reflex lens and night vision goggles. Going to go ahead and say that I put on night vision goggles before to mess around with them. Because When the air crewmen, let me do that. And I've never seen a circle or something like that. End up a different shape are seeing it. Not once every five Henton, I've hunted, my friends in the woods many times before and never never saw anything like that. So, right, he had his friends.

47:30 That's what I took away, their past tense. We could Jake's like no. I mean that's you know, neither here nor there, we're not talking about that, but a crimes are no crimes, whatever. But no, I sent her thinking about it. And I was like I wonder who because I didn't really, like, scan the room or look up a list of who, exactly, you know, was inside the Congressional chamber with them everyday. And How many of those people have ever spent time in the military and had the ability to put on night vision goggles, right?

48:17 And it just like go ahead, there was there was a few, there was a few in there. Especially people who ask questions, you know congressman, who asked questions that should have immediately said, you're full of shit, okay? That that we go ahead. You can take a minute. No, I mean yeah, it was just like Because that's such a weird explanation. It's like why would it come out triangular? So I'm gonna try to see if we can find a picture of that. I'm sure we can get Jeff to put the picture up on the screen for those that are watching this on the Paranormal Network. You're looking at a pulsating.

49:08 Or a flickering, triangular light. Okay, yeah, are a couple of them and let me tell you, there's no fucking triangular lights on any aircraft that I know of. So we're either looking at such aircraft such as the tr-3b which are, you know, secret military aircraft or we're looking at something completely different. Right. What? It could possibly be a secret military aircraft from another country whatever but as far as I know, there's no Triangular lights, Jake. Have you ever seen a fucking triangular light on any Naval know that I'm more leaning towards that? It wasn't a light that it was the belly of an aircraft.

49:52 That was flashing and it was reflecting that light like because that thing was high up, right? So let's look at the zoomed-in. If you can remember the first video right now about that the second one, where they finally came out and said this is a drone, there was two lights that you can see. And then there was a possible third one that looked like it was behind clouds. And they honestly looked like they were in the shape of a bigger triangle, which would be whatever one thinks of, as the tr-3b or these triangular UFOs or you appease? Okay. Yeah, I kind of, I didn't watch admittedly. I didn't watch the entirety of that thing, like I was doing something else.

50:33 I heard them talking about, then I glanced at it. And it was at that point, they're zooming in on one of them, and it was like getting bigger and bigger. Yeah. And I'll just like that. Looks like to me, like, it was an aircraft and then whatever light was on, it was lighting up the bottom of it, right? So then if it was, or in a pattern like that, I mean, it's so So the way I saw it was that these were like wingtip lights you know the the red and green wingtip lights that are on Pleasure crafts and stuff. Yeah exactly not really well the so the Collision lights are you know, the smack lights or the anti-collision lights the also shoot great white ones. They could have been a collision lights then but it would have been bread instead of white. So this is an area, that's the thing, right? Is that, that's what they're putting it off, as that's what they're trying to tell you.

51:20 They're trying to tell you that. This is an antique. Listen light on a drone and you're seeing it as a triangular light because it's coming in through a single reflex lens, through night vision goggles. I mean, I don't know what the fuck a single reflex lens has no idea, but I highly doubt that it's going to take a round light and make it look triangular, come on not to mention when it's Zoo. Zooms in those are some pretty sharp Corners really sharp Corners. Extremely sharp Corners, get very sharp points on that. Triangle.

52:00 If it was distorting around a circle, it would have very fuzzy Corners to it. I feel. So I I have to agree with Mike, right? This is they strategically chose this particular one. Because what is the most popular UFO being seen today? It's The saucer shaped it's the triangle tr-3b. I totally agree dismissal. Angles get people to stop asking questions about it. Yeah, it's basically okay now shut the fuck up. Hey hey stop. Stop reporting the shit stop you know, talking about it and honestly now I just want to talk about it more. I really do but maybe that's what they're trying to do.

52:42 Maybe it's reverse psychology and they're trying to get you to talk about it more. I don't I don't really know but the fact of the matter is that the Combination that they gave you or us about that, try, how the lights became triangular. I'm kind of upset with the congressman that somebody didn't stand up and be like We're done here. You're already lying is bullshit. We're done. Right? Yeah, funds denied puns. Did I? So I come back later with the truth. I just want to pose a question that maybe not a lot of people seem to think about or voice. Is it possible that Congress Works in line with the panel as you would call them?

53:36 Oh fuck. Yeah, it's so that would go and answer why? They're not being called out, so, private session ball. The don't really in a private session. They could say, look this is what it is. You know, and but it but publicly it's to appease the public it's a is to appease the cameras. Well let's let's ask these surface questions and see you know if that if that makes people happy and it's kind of a kind of an ongoing thing whenever they talk about aerial phenomenon so far is that they don't really probe what these questions yeah though you know Why are you even asking who the director is?

54:24 Like that's something that could be figured out tomorrow, right? Like I know that you're worried about it. Oh yeah. You know, administratively but realistically like why aren't you asking questions? Like you know, you guys have had a year. You guys have that mean. You guys have had 50 years to go through this 60 years at this point 70 years? Why aren't we probing into this? We knew that it was a thing back. Then we've known it was a For the entire span of this phenomenon going on. Why haven't you guys looked into this and nobody? Nobody asks those questions probably because they don't want us to know and they don't want that full disclosure.

55:08 They act like they're in the interest of the public but that's that's to get the this to get the votes and that's to get to the, you know, the support from the public and and keep everybody in line. While don't ask any questions, we're going to take care. Air of it will ask all the questions will make sure that they answer to us. What was the quote bringing bringing you guys out of the Shadows. You're not bringing anybody out of the Shadows. If you were bringing people out of the Shadows, you would ask for documents. You would ask for you to ask a lot more than two fucking people to show up. You know you, yeah, asking for the experts, not the, not the spokesman. So all right, I agree. Last thing I that I got to say about these opening statements especially from the panel is all I'm getting from this whole thing.

55:57 Is that there? Creating a government form of move on. That's it. You know, for sure if anybody that's into the stuff that we talk about here on the show, wants a Barney style explanation of what the fuck. Aim sock actually is its government, move on. Okay, there. There, standardizing the way that military members and other government identify entities are reporting. These UAP events. Okay, they're giving you a piece of paper that says, you know, where what when why and how did you see this? What altitude what speed bubble bubble lot in their standardizing it so that they can they can group it all together and say, okay, we've had so many at 20,000 feet and so many while we were going 70 knots, And whatever, right? So they can come up with like things and that's something that mufon re does.

57:06 The difference between aim, SOG mufon is that move on? We'll take anybody's Port, it will take you know if let's just say I wanted to go outside and fake seeing a UFO I can call move on and be like this is my report whereas in AIM sog Is our only taking official report and that's it was basically brought up a later on in in the the the hearing I can't remember exactly who asked it but basically was made that if you're not from a government entity or like the FAA and very, very select contracted civilian. Entities that we're not taking a report simply that they don't have a way for civilians a report right now. So in a nutshell, it is a government for it is the government former move on.

58:16 Anything else until before I move on. Nope. All right. So basically what's going on here? Is I I created a I don't know, a document of everything that every single question, all 43 questions that were asked yesterday, we're not going to go through all those, okay? We're going to cut straight to the juice. I list every Congressman. What their name is, what state, what district? They're from the question that they asked the answer that was given to them. By the panel, I will find a way to post this as a blog or something. It's probably going to be a I got our website where you can go and read it yourself and really dive into the juice on black and white.

59:12 Unfortunately, I don't know how to blog, so I got to figure out how to do that first, and then it will be there. Hopefully, by the time this episode out, but before we get into the really juicy stuff, I want to talk about Congressman, Mike, Gallagher of Wisconsin's 8th District this guy out, Of every everybody that asks questions of every Congressman. This this guy right here, I believe really tried to stick it to the panel and ask some tough questions. So let's go through his questions and the answers that the panel gate him question. 19 from Congressman Mike Gallagher begins his time by stating that the u.s. government had programs are had a program to study this phenomenon in the 1960s called Project Blue Book and more. The advanced Aerospace threat identification program for a tip Then followed up by asking if the panel knows of any other programs between Project Blue Book and a tip that the government stood up to deal with these you IPS and does anything predate Project Blue Book, the answer, the question 19 came from The Honorable Ronald Moultrie, where he responds by saying no the both levels of the question. 120 Gallagher then follows up by asking if they are aware of any DOD or contractor programs focused on you a peas from a technological and Engineering perspective answer

1:00:43 to question. 20 comes from Moultrie and Bray both answering, that know, they are unaware of any programs referred to by mr. Gallagher's, question question, 21 Gallagher then goes on to ask if the panel are aware of the incident that took place at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana in 1960, Even wear a red glowing. Orb was seen over the base as 10 nuclear icbms and for those that don't know what ICBM is. It is an intercontinental, ballistic missiles became inoperable at the same time now 1967. I know that's quite a while is way. So the answer to question, 21 comes from mr. Bray as he responds by saying that he has not seen any official data on That event and that event takes place before his time and that, the, you a PT, F did not investigate that event.

1:01:41 Question. 22 comes from Congress. Gallagher, of course, then he asks, if you're not investigating, then who is Answer 22, moultry respond by saying that if it were officially brought to our attention, we would have investigated Gallagher. Then responds to that. Answer by saying quote, this seems pretty official which Moultrie responds by telling him that if in an authoritative figure had brought it to their attention, then they would have looked at it but just investigating something from so long ago that now Only be investigated by media reports would have been a waste of resources. So question 23 by Gallagher's actually, his final question revolves around the Admiral Wilson, memo or edw notes. And simply asks, if they are aware of such and both men of the panel, both answer with no.

1:02:41 Now, the side note, here, for anyone wondering what this is. The Admiral Wilson, memo AKA The Wilson Davis. It's aka the edw notes are considered one of or the most significant leak of UFO documents that date Admiral Thomas Wilson, was the 13th director of the defense intelligence agency or the DIA during the time from 1999, the 2002. And before this position, he served as the Director of intelligence for The Joint Chiefs of Staff, these notes are referring to 13 Pages written by dr. Eric Davis, and October To anthro 1 meeting, he had with Admiral Wilson on these notes, dr. Davis, wrote down info from their discussion on UFOs. Majestic 12 AKA, mj-12 Roswell and crashed UFOs and alien bodies, these notes.

1:03:34 Also include a two-page letter written by Commander Willard Miller, that outlines Area 51 UFOs and crash retrieval. This is all you need to know as a very brief description on the subject. More on the Admiral Wilson memo. In a future episode of the infinite rabbit hole. Hey buddy, bear with us while we take this quick break. So did any of you guys get to listen to Congressman Mike Gallagher dive into these two two guys. Yes and How awesome was this dude?

1:04:16 I was shocked. I was shocked at that was brought up. I thought that for the most part it was going to be just very basic, kind of scratching the surface questions. I did not expect that account to be brought up and Are you going to go further into the Q&A? Or is this like kind of wrapping it up? No, that's that's basically it. So, I'm going to. Okay, immediately after this, we're going to go into the questions that had to go on to close. Okay section. So we don't have ten hours to two dice. Yeah. Everything that's fair, but one of the questions that were posed to mr. Bray was if they had ever attempted to make contact with one of these you APS or open fire on one, right? And what really pushes me to the idea that these are, in fact, you know, military aircraft is the fact that he said, no. And I mean, dude, there's there's got to be places military bases around here where if you fly your civilian aircraft while they're paying in you to turn around and you get too close, they will blow your butthole right out of the sky, you know, Pine bits and pieces of you. Scattered for Miles, right?

1:05:35 And it just like there's no way that these things are flying in restricted, airspace, they're going up to where they, we store our nukes and turning them all off and stuff without having a missile shoved, right up there behind and blown to Smithereens, right and less. Somebody knows. Unless somebody is like, nope, don't mess with them because either it's, they understand that the Weaponry that they have on them is, you know, far Advanced more advanced than us. And these things do actually come from someplace other than Earth or to their our own technology and it's just sing and testing the parameters to see what exactly can they do, can this aircraft in 1967 fly over this base and using a signal turn off these nukes? You know the idea that oh well we didn't hear about that. Oh it was an authoritative thing that's BS. So Yeah I'm just like on board with like this is just a another ploy to like mystery.

1:06:38 Mike said get more money right for the program because that's a huge thing but then also for just kind of a okay here we are a year later. Please stop asking us about this stuff, it's nothing. Don't worry about it, right? And when we and later on they're probably going to break out with congress with this thing and be like this is our technology. Like this, is that that event that happened. This was saying what it could do right? Or something along those lines. That's how I feel. Anyway, um, I really liked here. Moultrie responds by telling him that if an authoritative figure had brought it to their attention, they would have looked at it.

1:07:22 Just further emphasizing that you need to have importance in order for something to be known or for your voice for for the information to be spread. Some guy with a suit and tie. Yeah. And a badge. Yeah, of some kind. Yeah. Or Star a lapel pin. There was someone walking around saying, hey, you guys should look into this, but they were, they were below them. They were the nobody, so, they got ignored. That's, that's a, that's a big thing in the military for, I believe it, I believe it. If for sure, if you're a lower ranking and someone's like, hey you should look into this and doing no, I believe it.

1:08:08 My another level of Candy Crush to beat, what do you got mine? So, So my question is, let's say that you guys are on base. I'm not sure what kind of vehicles you have, I'll just throw out a general one, like, on the right, okay, so you guys are on base and a well working Humvee, all of a sudden stops working, you look under the hood, and the engine is gone. What do you think? What do you think happens from that point on? You get in trouble for SE misuse and abuse. Absolutely so blamed, let's, let's break this down a little bit because this could get fun, right? So, it was working initially and then it just stopped working or it doesn't work at all.

1:09:00 The engine is missing. You guys go to start the Humvee and you're like, what the hell is going on? Let's pop the hood. You open up the hood, the entire fucking engine is gone. So Single piece of government equipment, has a log of who used it and when and whatever, right. So the person who used it last is going to get em the fuck up. Yeah. Yes. Definitely. Before before we use any equipment like that, we have to do an inspection on it. So even even I'm sure, you know, people that use Humvees. They like the Marines, they would have to check the oil, check the tire pressure. Make sure it has fuel in it if there's any damage to it. If it's me. Seeing a door. Everything has to be animated or every single time someone uses one of these, one of these things or tow tractor or a mobile power card.

1:09:48 Everything has to be annotated on it so that if, you know, you go up there and be like, oh shoot this bolts, missing the guy before you get some trouble. And not you. So whoever that was, let me let me redirect the question. Okay. The engine is missing, is there going to be an investigation as to where that engine when? Yes. Yes. And your percent. So they're going to Call over the base. Let's say they don't find the engine. Okay, it's not on base. Did they have cameras there? Yeah, yeah. Okay, let's say they look at the cameras. They don't see anybody go by the Humvee. They saw the person that used it. He parked it. It was working the next time that anybody goes by it. No engine inside of it.

1:10:34 Was there a Red? Orb? Yes, the point that I, it does join those points together. The point that I'm trying to make is something as simple as a part of a Humvee. If it got all fucked up or if it was missing, they're going to investigate that. Yeah. Okay. It's going to become kind of a big thing, especially if they can't explain where that engine went. Yeah. So now you're a base where there are nuclear weapons. Okay, or icbms like you said, and now those things that were supposed to work across the board, don't work anymore. Okay?

1:11:15 You look at the camera feed, see these things floating all of a sudden, you see a little little laser, whatever it may be, everything shuts down at that point. Now, does that become like the biggest fucking story within the military base? Does that become does that span across decades? So one. All right, I don't get in trouble but I'll put it this way, if something like that happened and what we call scuttlebutt, right? It's just gossip.

1:11:56 If scuttlebutt happens and it starts making its way out into the rest of, you know, a general area, the rest of the Navy will know about it. By the end of the day. Oh yeah. Just for an example Jake and I am not going to say what it was, but Jake, and I witnessed something horrific and the rest of the Navy knew about it by the end of the day. Yep. Yeah good. So talking about these red orbs at a missile site, they create whatever happens missile, stop. Stop becoming operational, they stop working.

1:12:39 There's no investigation. They don't try to look into what those orbs were, what was going on? How did they make it onto the base without being without coming across radar or coming across any kind of, you know, tripwire for better lack of a better term. There's no way they don't know how it happened. Now, that's known across the military and these guys come out and they say, While no official had told us to look into this. So one of two things is happening there. Either, you have someone who knows what happened, they know exactly what they were. They know exactly how that went down and there is no need for the investigation.

1:13:27 Or you did the investigation. You don't know what it is, or you do know what it is, but you're not going to tell everybody about it. You don't need anybody to tell you especially when you're the head of these departments. You don't need anybody to come and tell you hey you should look into this thing that happened in the 60s, that's completely, just, we can't explain it. It's unexplainable. That is your job. That is your department to look into these things. And that would be one of the biggest things to happen, especially at a military base, especially with missiles. Especially, you know, that is it, that is a huge thing. That's a huge thing.

1:14:14 That is probably one of the biggest things, the, the whole, you know, base out in Montana 1967, doesn't matter what time it was. That's one of the biggest events in ufologists she in history. You know, obviously there's Roswell and rendlesham and whatever, but this is, you know, a huge huge, right? So what this tells me is that this whole thing is incompetent, this is just reeks incompetence for multiple reasons, right? Either you are incompetent and don't know this the stuff that you need to know in order to run this program or Somebody doesn't trust you enough to hand you the file, right? Because there's there's research on this. There's there's a file on this event, I can guarantee all right.

1:15:13 Sure whether it was the glowing red orb or we shut down our own missiles or whatever. It was the the accepted answer to the government is out there. You can get your hands on this mean cheese, like one of the computers and one of our aircraft like stops working and we have Maps, we have a whole paper trail. Entire thing. Like what was the? What was the cause of it. What's where you find out? Troubleshooting like what was like the in process steps, like all kinds of had you fix the problem. You're going to tell me that all these Nooks shutting off and they're not going to be like like weird. Let's go. Let's go home for the day. Like, you know, even very clear if it was something that was terrestrial if it was something that was just a mechanical breakdown.

1:16:00 They would just say, this is what it was. Yeah. They would say, oh, it was a faulty chip. Oh, you know, something, something, something rats, got a, the wires and exactly any amount of reasoning but instead, they diverted, that attention and said, well, we just didn't look into that. Well, it's a pretty simple thing to look into especially, again, when it's your department. Yeah, I got a, I got a funny for electricians out there. If anybody's electrician, you'll get this pretty funny. All these nuclear warheads were, we're in series with each other. So basically there's two ways to Circuit something, right? There's series and parallel.

1:16:49 And basically Christmas tree lights are in series, which means that if you remove a light, all of them don't work, right? So, basically, the joke is saying that if you don't like them, The rat ate the wire. Well, if he ate the wire, if they were in, follow them. It would, it would turn off all the Christmas tree string. Yeah, in parallel one would go off and the rest of them would continue to work. So it's it's kind of a nerdy joke. I thought it was free those damn Sparky's. Yeah, it's construction. Talk for an electrician basic level one.

1:17:30 Plumbing to some, somebody out, there is going to You appreciate that. I can guarantee it but all I've got to say is that I think, mr. Gallagher of Wisconsin, did a good job at really digging into these guys and proving that this horseshit and I think that's what was meant to be done. No, I'm not. I've never heard of this guy before in my life and I'm not paid to say this, or am I? My no, you sure. Mmm, actually, my bank account is pretty sure, but yeah, mr. Gallagher, I haven't gotten the check yet so I'm not saying anything.

1:18:17 Anyways, I am, I am surprised and partially proud that he did bring up that incident. So, yeah, dude, when I heard that, I was like, okay, yeah. And and then he brought the memos and I was like, Dude is either did some research or this? Do likes infant rabbit on the to. I don't know. I was stepping into the shower and I pulled back real quick and I looked at my screen, bring it through my speaker and stuff and I was just about to get in the shower and I heard that I pulled out I like they're looking at it. I tapped it back a couple times like watch it. I was just like I can't believe you just said that I thought this was going to be such a sweep under the rug sort of thing. Like that's crazy.

1:19:00 That's good. I like that. I enjoyed it. We There was, there was some slight highlights from other congressmen, nothing really that, we really need to dive into other than the stuff that needs to be pushed to the later hearing, does anybody have anything else before we get into that? Not. All right, golden. So I basically made a list of all the questions that were pushed off to the later hearings, and there's only five, but they were good ones and I'm not going to say the answers to them, except for one of them because the, it was a two-level question, where one of the levels were pushed off the later and one was answered but the answers to All of these are we'll talk about it later. Number one during chairman shifts. Direct questions.

1:19:59 He asks, if the object in the first video is being recorded by multiple instruments that was pushed to later to during Congressman dr. Brad wenstrup squish ins. He asks about whether or not allies and adversaries are reporting you a piece as well. Which Bray partially response to with context of those 12 will be saved for the closed session. So basically, what he was saying, was yes our adversaries and allies are reporting you APS but what they're reporting will have to talk about later. Number three during Congressman krishnamoorthy these questions. He asks if there are any underwater instruments to measure the presence of these objects under the surface of the water that was pushed off the later. Again Congressman krishnamoorthy, his last question, asked at the presence of these, you accuse have altered the development of our offense or defense of capabilities and five the last one on shifts, closing questions, he regard.

1:21:09 The 18 cases from 2021 report that seemed to move with unusual patterns of flight characteristics. He asks, if in this report where they state that some APS were recorded on emitting HF, energy were the ones that were emitting this energy. The ones that move would patterns that were uncharacteristic of typical flight though. Some good questions, they are pushed away. Those. This thing is like these were the could questions in the one that really stuck out to me. Was the underwater instrument? Yeah, that's the one that got me. Yeah. Because I mean, If you're listening to this show, if you're listening to anything, if you're listening to a hush-hush society, you listening to any other podcast that's within our genre of conversation, right?

1:22:00 That's the one that really sticks out because one of the big questions about these, you APS is, are they do they go underwater? Do they fly? And then submerged, there's actually a acronym for that, and that is unidentified submerged object. U.s. owes you have UFOs and u.s. owes, right? That's where the girls in the 50s. Came by and saying to the Troops, it was yes. Yeah. Yeah, it's all brainwashing anyways. So what do you guys think? Let's dive into these literally we had that magic so killing supper so mr. Mike Magic.

1:22:48 Mike That's my magic mystery Mike. Yeah. The the one, the only one that really sticks out to me is that that underwater one that krishnamurthi. He seems to be in the know and like Jeremy said, you know, if you listen to any any conspiracy theorists or realist, that's one of the biggest questions is. Are we? In the wrong direction. Are we looking up when we should be looking down and you know brings up the whole hollow Earth theory, it brings up, you know Nazi Antarctic bases and what they were working on with you know the Kecksburg incident and those Nazi bells and it brings up a lot of questions. A lot of questions, more.

1:23:44 So questions for me and I think, like I said, that was the question that stood out to me and that's the one that I would love to have answered. I would love to see what they have if there is under, underwater, detection detection from them and what they're seeing, you know. So, this like Jake had said, really early in this episode, the simple fact that they didn't answer that heats, that there's something there. And that, that alone was Worth watching this hour and a half thing was just because they said we're going to talk about it later. There's something there and that's exciting because like Mike was saying, That opens up the door to a whole bunch of shit. Yeah.

1:24:37 So very interesting for me now. Go ahead, man. No, no, for me, the one that stands out was number two which was during Congressman dr. Brad when strips question, he asks about whether or not allies and adversaries are reporting you a piece as well and then mr. Bray, partially responds with context of those reports will have to be saved to for the closed session. I I would very much like, to know, whether or not, this is just Like a United States thing.

1:25:19 United States Canada, Mexico like this continent thing or if they're able to fly these things over the ocean. And you know there Zipping by Iraq or Afghanistan, or over China, or North Korea and doing until missions. And I'd have to think that, you know, I mean, there's a pretty crazy Advanced cameras out there. I mean, if they did just a quick, just shoot over North Korea. Just, you know, it took pictures of the whole way as they're going and then zip back, you know, they could just get so much Intel of what's going on over there or the fact that, you know, it seems like they don't admit any sound. Right?

1:25:59 It's not like a C-130 where they have to fly, so high above the ground because otherwise you'd hear the bomb up there in the sky and stuff because the engines are so big. Like they don't have to worry about any of that stuff, right? So they just because, as far as I mean, most people are concerned, it doesn't appear that they have any sort of jet propulsion going on, right? So whatever they're using is very quiet. Maybe it makes some sound but it's, you know, very quiet. I don't believe that we have to use lights at all. I don't know why they keep getting seen with lights on because I know, you know, just from being on the helicopters, they fly lights off every once in a while and just use their nvgs, their night vision goggles and their Fleer to use like, heat signatures and stuff.

1:26:51 But regardless, I would very much like to know, you know, whether or not They're zipping past our allies, or our, or do our allies have their own sort of tech or is this our allies Tech or adversaries Tech, right? Mmm. So it's like, I don't know, you know, it are they not shooting one of these things down because China would nuke us if we did, Because this is their technology, you know. Is that why that's not happening? I mean, I don't know, you know trying to keep the peace for right now. I have no idea but that's something that I'm way more interested in.

1:27:37 Because I mean as far as like whether or not they go underwater, I think we saw a video that came out in the last year to where the UAP went into the water, right? It just went up and went right into it. So, like so, I mean, Do they have sensors in there? Yeah, you know we got buoys all over the place that sense. You know if there's going to be a tidal wave that's going to come and hit the coastline. I imagine they have sensors for enemy submarines and all kinds of stuff where they are. I don't know, you know, don't care to know but there has to be something out there to me, that's kind of a given. But the idea of, you know, whose technology is this or our allies and our enemies, also saying the exact same thing, you know?

1:28:25 To maybe point point that this, as maybe it's not our Tech, maybe it's not Earth's Tech, you know or maybe it is the hollow Earth theory or whatever. You know, I'm open to it. I have don't feel that it's plausible or it's possible but it's very unlikely that there's aliens out there but I don't know, I mean, there has to be some explanation to this, right? We've seen at least, you know, especially in Canada. They've talked about aerial phenomenon before so we know that they that's on their radar. Yeah but more recently Israel you know we had we had what was his name Hema?

1:29:10 She'd who was the former director of space programs for the Israeli Ministry of defense for Like 27 to 30 years, something like that. And he went on to talk about Galactic federations and knowing that the US and Israel were in contact with alien civilizations. And there have been those outliers in other countries that have mentioned these things, whether they should be taken with a grain of salt or not remains to be seen, but I can't imagine, you know, we've Seen, we've seen plenty of videos from around the world. It's not just happening in California. It's not just happening in Virginia, you know, it's it's everywhere.

1:29:56 We've seen lights in shapes above pyramids in Giza. So, you know, it's definitely happening around the world and I would, I would doubt that the governments of other countries are just kind of in the dark about it. I think maybe even some other governments might take it more seriously than we do. You know, and that's all that that gets into maybe culture, you know, we're more kind of a stringent, you know, science-based Community, but there's other there's other countries out there that are more spiritual. So other countries out there that are more astronomical. So you know, to think that were the only ones that are monitoring these things.

1:30:48 I don't see it, I don't see it. I think it's pretty. It's pretty world world. Mound and any country that maybe has a military backing that's big enough or technological backing. That's big enough definitely is in the know they just might not voice it as much as we do. The big brother is going to go in there and give them a spanking if they do. Yeah, don't stall the World Bank and Make their president. Let's see.

1:31:28 So I had one more thing to bring up here that I thought was pretty interesting. Chairman Schiff. From California was also another hard hitter. He was one of the three chairman of this hearing who repeatedly asked question on the means of the way. These things seem to move about without using or without abiding by what we know of, as the laws of physics and also do of into radio frequencies, which I thought was very Interesting.

1:32:13 I'm not going to go through everything that I have here. The try to find exactly where he States it, but somewhere in this hour and a half worth of congressional hearing, we went down the rabbit hole of HF recordings or receiving and sending and receiving right? And I wanted to expand on this because Jake you and I Have a slight insight to this. And I think this was kind of swept under the rug as not important information, right? So I'm trying to think of, by the way, of layman who may not necessarily understand what they were trying to ask here and they mean, like, iff.

1:33:07 Exactly. Where I'm exactly where I'm getting. So, Basically, the question was. Did we receive any radio frequencies from any of these objects? And basically, swept under the rug, by the panel mr. Bray and Ronald Moultrie, and then it was continue to be pushed by Schiff and his closing statements, and basically got a little bit of information at the very end there. Thanks to mr. Schiff, where it seems that? is there may have been some form of frequencies pushed by these guys by these objects.

1:34:04 Or received and I can I can hear the non-military Personnel or not. Aviation Personnel will go that one instead kind of being like okay what's the deal here? On aircraft that are. Shit aircraft in general, right? They have a system called iff stands for identify Friend or Foe and basically a signal flied. Think of it as like echolocation That Dolphins, use right. It sends a signal and says, who are you?

1:34:48 The other aircrafts iff will then accept the signal, okay, which you can tell whether or not it's been accepted or not, it will interrogate it and say we are. It will respond to the question saying we are. So and so, and this is what we're doing. This is this is our mission, okay, are we flying people from Key West to Detroit today. Are we huddle hopping because we just like flying, and this is our hobby.

1:35:29 Are we doing military? Training exercises, whatever? Whatever it is, okay, iff is something that's yes, mostly military. But civilian aircraft do have at least. They may not have an interrogator, but they have Have a receiver and transponder, okay? They have to have it as part of fa, fa a law that they have to have an iff system because basically if If you don't have an iff system you are a fo you are dangerous, right? Yeah.

1:36:11 And basically this is, this is the military's way of determining that we don't have somebody coming here from another country with a makeshift aircraft. That's going to use it for Kamikaze mission, right? Say like an airport in Alaska, right? This guy is coming into land is planning. Get gas. How do we know without that receiver transponder that it's not a Russian aircraft that just made that little jump to Alaska and is now going to land there. You know, we have to know these sorts of things, you know, where is this, whose belongs, who is this aircraft belonging to and, you know, can it transmit and receive those signals exactly.

1:36:54 So, the way that the body language of these people because we didn't get straight answers, I'm just going off the body language. You know, I'm assuming here that they did, in fact, get something back by some of these objects, not every object, of course, but there are cases where they got something back where they either knew exactly what it was, or they had no fucking clue. It was, but the simple fact that they had the technology that was the iff system means that That it is human-based right? And I can't speak for everything but at least some of them were were human.

1:37:49 You guys got any questions about that? So you said that works off of radiofrequency. Yes, it is. RF frequencies. Okay. So my only thing about that is let's say that they did get a weird signal back. I'm not sure. I'm not well-versed and radio frequencies or how that would even show up to another aircraft. But for instance, Tesla, So when you talk about Tesla, you know that he built the Tesla Tower and the Tesla Tower kind of gathered electrical energy from around itself. Well, he used radio frequency to gather that electrical current. So you're going with us if you're if you're sending out a radio frequency towards some sort of craft and it's using the electromagnetic field, that's around it using Frequency. I don't know what that would look like, as a response to that message, it would probably look like alternating code. So You know, I don't know how much I can talk about this and for all the listeners, Jeremy is the nerd on this topic? I don't really care.

1:39:13 Is attention enough dealing with it because it just blew my mind. I was like, this doesn't make any sense to me. This sounds like witchcraft. So I'm just like, all right. Whatever. She excites, the inventory. Yeah. So we gotta fix the ears. Jake was, originally a knuckle-dragger. Yeah. Worked on the propulsion systems. He was known as Back. So he wasn't this necessarily into the avionics and the electrical components and everything all the fascinating fascinating Wizardry that I'm into. Yeah, I was never part of the club's. I don't play D&D, I don't play D&D either, but I do LARP still part of the club then that was a joke.

1:40:04 I would say because basically how it all works, is codes, right? You get a code that says okay Bubba blah, blah, blah, if you're working. So basically what you're asking is if we're if we're interrogating a by, if we're interrogating, by the FF iff system and we're interrogating, something that is using radio frequencies such as the technology used by Tesla. In the the alternating current theory, you know, back when So I was fighting, whatever his face was who had DC current that. If we're interrogating, somebody who's using something similar to the Tesla technology, which could be a different life form.

1:40:52 How would it look to us? Is that what the question is? Yep. Okay. Yeah. It would probably be alternating or scrambled numbers and, and it would be scrambled code. It would look like wingdings. Setting on Microsoft Word. Yeah. Yeah, probably. I mean, no, no, probably not. But it would, it wouldn't be a steady code. Probably get More than one code over and over again. Just like random codes. Be like those. Maybe, like Independence Day when they shoot, the ICBM through the aliens face and they're interrogating. The and it comes back with the skull and crossbones. It's like, and it shoots the missile. That's what it looked like.

1:41:43 I got references for days, dude, let's go. I don't, I have no idea. I don't, honestly, I don't even know how Like, I don't know how if the pilot knows anything by interrogating them. I like I really don't know much about the system. No, they're basically they basically just just no, yes or no, that's it. That's all they know. It's the pilots are Bonafide bus drivers, basically, right. That the let's be honest about it. That's that's what their job is right. Unless you're piloting, something like an F-18 or An Apache helicopter, your job is to be a bus driver and I mean shit, even on that nice.

1:42:30 Even the H 60s that we worked on, pretty cool bus, it is a pretty fucking awesome bus. It does look like a minivan though. You're right with rotation a tail, but we always even that I didn't even then the pilots on the 60s, don't shoot anything. That's all the air crewmen I could. They got rocket pods and stuff. Won't you with that? Wings on anyway yeah I get it I get it I get it right but for the most part okay their bus drivers bus drivers with weapons will go that Texan bus drivers. Now any of my pilot friends that are that are listening to this right now, I love you guys and you guys are much more badass than the than the bus drivers, I'm referring to not you guys everybody else. Yeah, the Cod, the Cod flat pilot the cops literally they call him.

1:43:22 Greyhounds. It's a Greyhound bus with wings. That's funny. That's very funny. I never thought about that. Give are going to be listening to this me like these guys need to shut the fuck up. Yeah, they're definitely caused me. Get another digital assassin comment. I need digital assassin to man up and come on the show and talk to us. Oh oh. This is the episode. Hey, Yeah, I think this is the episode that's going to bring them back. It was Mike. We have a friend who leaves us reviews on our show. His name is digital assassin. He does not like this show. He says we are could probably get us. We are government pogs.

1:44:09 We are paid opposition. Yeah, that's why we keep saying it. That's why we're going into. Yeah. Literally offered a bunch of shelf and every uphill, we try to put something in there for him. See, if he'll update his review and make it worse. He's done it a couple times. Yeah, he's like no, you're ugly. So that's it. That's pretty. Much like guys, what do you, anybody else? Have anything else from this Congressional hearing from yesterday? No second to where I was at originally, this is just scratching the surface with a lot of non answers.

1:44:56 A whole mess of non-answers, the really important stuff. And even when they were answering yes or no, to something, I mean, I have the hardest time believing anything that they say, because, I mean, they've got their whole, their notes right in front of their faces. Like, like, I don't want to point any fingers, any specific people, but how many times have we seen an address in the last? You know, several months where someone in the audience asked a question, and then a person at the podium reads from a freaking piece of paper with the questions already on there and then he reads then the answer is read off, right? How can we be possibly sure that this is not exactly what's going on here. That the congressmen are asking these direct questions but how I mean I didn't see the camera pan over to mr. Bray's notes where it just says question And blah, blah, blah, blah answer.

1:45:53 Yeah, I don't know. I mean I have the hardest time believing it you know and I think that mr. Mike had something. Something going there when he said, you know how can we be sure that they're not in the know or however, you know you phrased it where it's not just you know they all know what's going on and let's just pitch some, you know, some slow balls to them and stuff like that. And then be like, let's get these, dang, civilians off our backs, right? It's so hard for me to really unless they're going to be 100% transparent. Which I don't think is a good idea because if it is you know, new weapons technology and stuff like that.

1:46:36 We do have some pretty serious adversaries around the world. I think that it's important to have those things under wraps. Because, yeah, I mean until they released, you know, it's, I don't think that everyone needs to know that sort of stuff, but at the same token and bless their going. To be 100% transparent with everything. I have a hard time believing really anything that they say. I love that softball references. Those good buddy. Just throws up there for you. Okay, little slow pitch for. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um we're going to set this one on the tea for you. Yeah. So is that your final thoughts? Mmm, cool.

1:47:19 I'm gonna go next Mike I think you're probably going to have a pretty good one. I the only other thing that I have to add to this is that if you look at the body language of the people that were talking, Jake, pretty much had my final thoughts. Is that this was basically scripted. A lot of looks of approval. After saying something, looking to the left looking to a particular person and being like you'll all but being like it I do a good. Yeah that do it, I do it. Dad, tell me. I'm a good boy, paw good job Camp. I mean all.

1:48:06 But that I mean the body language was there. They were being watched simple as that, this Yo unfortunately was not something that we were ever going to get real answers off of. This was an introduction to a new program where it's just another way for them to build the budget. Thank you, mr. Mike, because that was not part of my closing comments but I absolutely believe it. That's it. I have nothing else to add Ken's. Are I want to hear what Mike has to say, okay, Mike, you'd be the first You know whenever anything like this ever pops up any kind of disclosure whether it be you AP or black projects or anything involving the defense budget I always say that it's bullshit.

1:49:13 I think a year ago when they came out with a nine page document I think that was bullshit and this year is nothing different. I do believe that those questions were predetermined and kind of figured out for them. When you look at the videos that they brought forward, as I said, I think they just picked specific videos that they could easily explained away and You know, tr-3b videos are rampant, they're everywhere. I think that they could have picked from a large pool of videos, and come up with a much better evidence in much better videos, and this is all This is all planned to do a couple things.

1:50:10 As I've said, build a budget. You know, you build a new Department, you say, well, this department needs money now and well, this department is now part of the dod, which is part of our military spending, which is endless. So, how do you get money? You know, you can't imagine if we came to this, this Rational hearing and they said, okay well we set up this new department but we're going to be under, you know Rd we're going to be under science. We're going to be under public eye.

1:50:52 You know, we're going to take money from things that are not the military. Think of how small that budget would be think of think of what they would gain from. That would be nothing. They would, they wouldn't get shit to probably get a couple million dollars. But when you put yourself under the umbrella of the military, that opens every door, it opens every door and it opens every person wallet that's in that room. So I think that's a big part of it and I think that's why they kind of outlined. Yeah, we're part of this, this and this and this it is kind of interesting that they said that the DEA was also a part of their investigations.

1:51:36 I thought that was kind of interesting as if aliens are out here. Peddling, smack. Bloody, you never know these days? Yeah, I think it's also Disinformation campaign, like everything else with the government, you know, if you believe your government, then you haven't paid attention to history. And if you believe that they're giving you all the information that they have save you know, save special, Black Ops projects for the military, you know. And in technology that they have then you are you're sorely mistaken. Mmm.

1:52:20 Yeah I think it's just a big disinformation campaign. They're going to push it back another year. The next year they're going to come and say well we looked at a couple of other videos Then they'll still show another bullshit video you know or handful of bullshit videos and say okay well this one was definitely a weather balloon that's always there go to and I think they're going to keep pushing it back and pushing it back until there's a point where the public is more invested in it even right now with all this stuff going on with Congress and setting up these these little meetings, the public is still not interested. I stood in it the way that they should.

1:53:01 Yeah, you know, imagine, you know, three years has passed and all of a sudden, you get 100,000 people that have witnessed a Bonafide UFO over the White House. That's the only way that these guys are going to turn around and say, yeah, we knew about it, we knew what they were, you know. Now we have the evidence that, you know, they need that thing put in their face so that they can no longer deny it and until that happens until the public is fully involved and they're held accountable for everything that they do. They will not tell us everything that we want to know. And for those of us that are interested We just keep waiting bated breath and I don't think we're going to get answers for quite a while.

1:53:56 Yeah, because there's like ditto. Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't really have much to add to the table everything that it's all been said. Copy that. Good job, kid. Thanks gonna go places. I already knew that she's the new face of the show. She is chiz. That's yeah, she went live for the first time today on Instagram. I'm taking over. Yeah. All right. Well mr. Mike, thanks for coming on, man. Really do appreciate you coming in last second because literally gave him like 15 minutes notice. And I can't believe I'm Trooper.

1:54:40 So appreciate that. I five mystery. My mom is on the ready. That's awesome. Reach a judgment. Won't you go ahead and let everybody know who you are where they can find you and All that, you know, you know. I know the drill. I know the drill thanks guys for having me on. I really appreciate it and I hope that it's not another 90 episodes or something. Before I come on, there's only 80. All right. Yeah, close enough 81. Now, we're getting specific as it went ahead. Yeah, I am mystery Mike from the hush-hush. Aditi conspiracy.

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1:59:30 I always because I'm in a different time zone. I unfortunately, always miss them. When I'm still working as a time. They start. I'm in Pacific. Oh, entered 4 p.m. I'm on the west coast. Yeah. As Dave Declassified, Dave wondrich, I'm usually working when they start so half the time, I miss them and by the time I'm done what I'm doing and I'm home. And yeah, she can time zones. I know how, how big can it all just be the same right? Goodness gracious. All right, that's it. Thanks Mike, really do appreciate you coming in dude.

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