167. Tim Binnall Interview & Aliens, Bigfoot, and Ghosts

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Welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and today
we've got special guests in the

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house.
First, let's go ahead and

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introduce Jake.
What's up, man?

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How you doing?
Doing all right?

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How are you?
I'm doing OK.

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That's all I'm going to do,
right, man?

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I'm going to go ahead and jump
right in.

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It is my honor to introduce our
guest for the night, the host of

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the Banal of America podcast,
right?

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It's not a podcast.
It's a podcast, so it's always,

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yeah, it's a podcast.
Tim Benall, everybody.

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What's going on?
Hey, hey.

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How you doing Jake?
Jeremy, good to good to be on

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here.
Right on here.

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Yeah, appreciate you coming in.
So, Tim.

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Yes.
For all of our listeners who may

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not know who you are right real
quick.

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Like I said, host of the Banal
of America podcast, and you're

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also an editor for the Coast to
Coast AM website.

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News editor, Yes, yeah.
News editor.

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How did you get that?
Well, my origin story's kind of

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long, but I'll give you the the
basic rundown.

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I graduated from Syracuse in
2001.

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And where are you guys based on
it, by the way?

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From Wisconsin, but I grew up in
Connecticut.

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Oh, OK, Jake.
Yeah, from we're down here in

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Menominee, Wisconsin, but I'm
from Northern California

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originally.
Oh, nice, nice.

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So graduated from Syracuse in
2001 and essentially wound up

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needing a job.
So I took, I say TV and film,

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and I was planning on going off
to California TV, radio and

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film.
But first I hung around in my

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town and got a job on the
overnight as a janitor at my old

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high school 'cause I just needed
to make some money and then

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wound up really getting.
I had an interest in the

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paranormal growing up, but then
I kind of lost it just when I

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went to school and everything
and got out of school and was

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working on the overnight.
This is like 2003 by now is when

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this all kind of came together
and got really into the

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paranormal.
So I was like, oh, you should be

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listening to Art Bell.
And I'm like, what the hell is

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that?
Then I was like, oh, wow.

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So I got started listening to
Coast to coast, spent a couple

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years just listening to Coast to
Coast, just absorbing it.

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Like I like to say that was like
my, my undergrad pretty much was

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just spent like several years
just listening to Coast to

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Coast.
So finally about 2005, I was

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like, I really want to ask some
questions to these people, but I

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can't really do it on my
overnight job.

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So I'm going to start, I'm going
to interview them.

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Essentially.
I'm like, well, I can interview

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them.
I'm a big wrestling fan.

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So I was subscribing to a
wrestling website at the time

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and they had like news updates.
You would download them in these

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files called MP Threes.
It's like new 2005.

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So I was like, oh, I know what
I'm going to do.

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I'm going to get a, a little
splicer from RadioShack and a

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digital recorder and record my
phone calls with these people,

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these, these paranormal experts
essentially.

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And that that launched Ben All
of America Audio 'cause there

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wasn't any podcast hadn't come
along yet.

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So there was no such thing as a
podcast yet.

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So, so the show was just called
Ben All of America Audio.

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We've dropped, we've dropped the
audio over the years eventually,

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but so that was it.
And then so as I was

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interviewing these people and
stuff, it was friendly with the

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folks at Coast to Coast.
They brought me in to do fill in

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website work for them.
Then around 2000 and November

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2015, so about 10 years into my
podcasting career, they were

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like, they wanted to expand to
daytime content by by way of

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news articles.
So they brought me in as their

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news editor.
And essentially I've been doing

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that now for almost 10 years
where I write, let's say 90% of

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the articles if you go to the
Coast to Coast AM website drop

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down articles as bylines for all
my stuff.

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But yeah, I read about 13 pieces
a week for Coast to Coast

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covering everything that's
happening in the world of the

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weird and the wondrous five days
a week, Monday through Friday.

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So it's, it's a full time job.
Yeah, I, I'm probably one of the

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hardest working people in the
paranormal.

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Not to pat myself too much on
the back, but it's like I do

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that five days a week.
Plus the podcast, you know, and

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I got to stay on top of
everything happened in the world

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of paranormal all day, all the
time, all the topics.

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So it's, it's a pretty, yeah,
it's exhausting, but it's it's a

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pretty cool place to be spot to
be in.

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Absolutely I I know the
listeners of the Infinite Rabbit

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Hole are are definitely familiar
with the Coast to Coast AM

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article because I share your
stuff all the time.

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No thanks man.
Thanks.

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Yeah, I, I've been recently
doing a lot more on, on the

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Facebook page, the Twitter and
and whatnot or X whatever it's

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called now.
But I'm always sharing your

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stuff and I I do appreciate all
the hard work you put in there

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because you got some great shit.
Oh, thanks, man.

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Yeah, I take a lot of pride and
find it like the really, really

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obscure international stuff.
I think like last week we had

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stuff from like I want we had 13
accolade.

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I want to say there's probably a
dozen different countries in

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there in the different articles.
It was crazy.

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I was really like, I finished
the week and I was like, holy

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shit.
It was like Peru, Chile, you

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know, Japan, Mexico, Canada.
It was like every country, like

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Britain.
It was just crazy, crazy, crazy

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mixing different countries.
So I was like, wow, this really,

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this is a really international
week here.

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And that's happening more often
than not nowadays, because I've

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kind of got a real handle for
digging up these odd stories

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from odd corners of the world.
Hell yeah, man.

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And then just the, the cherry on
top is, I mean, you got you're,

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you're now over well over 1000
episodes of Banal of America.

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You've been around for a long
time.

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Yeah, well, I've been doing the
show.

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Well, we took a hiatus sort of
like, I want to say 2018 until

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really like last fall.
But I started in 2005 doing

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Banal of America and then was I
said we ran for in chunks called

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like seasons.
So 33 episodes of seasons.

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We did that for 10 seasons,
which stretched out over 10

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years because after a while I
started to take longer time

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between shows, time between
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It just kind of became like this
is, you know, really tiring.

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And then by the time I got the
full time gig with Coast to

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Coast, it was really difficult
to do both at once.

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So it was kind of like I'm going
to wrap up the show with season

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10.
So we did a big send off.

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Then I came back for a few
holiday shows, tried to reboot

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the show.
Well, then the pandemic hit.

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So I did like a ten week spin
off kind of pandemic podcast

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during the pandemic.
Then people were like they were

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kind of pandemic.
This was like right when the

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pandemic started.
So it was like, let's let's do

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everyone's home.
You know, I'm like, I'm

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interested in this story.
It's like all anyone's talking

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about.
So let's do a let's do a

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pandemic podcast like and that
ran for 10 weeks and people were

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like, OK, by the time that was
done, I think we finished up

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Memorial Day 2020 that weekend
and it was like, all right,

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people want, they want to hear
me get back into paranormal.

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So we did a summer of
strangeness.

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That was like 10 shows planned
to do a winter of weirdness.

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And then things just the wheels
just kind of fell off because

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I've been using, really using
the same method that I had back

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in 2005, which was through the
phone, through blog talk, I

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think was.
Yeah, But through blog talk,

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which is how we were doing the
shows.

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And it was just, it was just
really like running on, you

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know, paper clips and duct tape.
It was just like, really we

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tried to bring it back like in
the spring of like 21, I think,

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or 22.
And it was just like the whole

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lot, like every episode was
plagued 22.

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Yeah.
And every episode was just like

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kind of plagued by these
different tactical problems.

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And I'm just like, you know,
this isn't fun for me because

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it's too distracting trying to
do the show with all these

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problems of things sound like
shit or the guests are calling

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in on Skype and I'm on a regular
phone and blog talk is like, it

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just can't like put all this
together.

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So finally the urging of Steve
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I don't know if you guys know
Steve Berg, but he's an actor,

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comedian and also a paranormal,
now a paranormal podcaster.

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He was like, we're really good
friends and he was like, he was

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a huge been all, I guess he
still is a huge been all of

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America fan.
And he was like, you gotta you

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gotta you gotta bring the show
back.

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So finally when he launched his
show, I was like, look, all

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right, how the fuck?
Like, if you just can launch

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this from scratch, it must be
easier than I thought.

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And he was kind of was like, I
use this site, I do it this way,

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I get the mic, you know.
And so pretty much was like, all

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right, we're ready to go.
And we relaunched the show in

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October.
And I think we're up to like 30

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or so episodes, you know, been
doing every week since the very,

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you know, live last weekend in
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So it's been, you know, seven or
eight months now.

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It's been great.
It's been really fun to be back.

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So, yeah, I don't know if it's
over 1000 because of the break,

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but it's certainly 500 shows
probably at this point.

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I mean, certainly almost 20
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So it's probably easier to do it
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So yeah, almost 20 years worth
of with the shows metric.

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Jeremy pretty much hit me up
about scoring an interview with

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you and he, he kind of showed me
your, I don't know, like a

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descriptor page on coast to
Coast.

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And I was like, I was like, he's
like, oh, you want to be on this

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episode?
I was like, you know, I'm not

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the paranormal guy dude.
I'm the crypted guy.

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And he's just like, Nah, just
kind of just listen to some of

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his stuff.
And so today I, I literally

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listened to your show, the, the
revival for 10 hours straight.

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And I'm, I mean, I, I work on
airplanes and they're all in the

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hangar Bay.
And I was, I was setting up a

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system not even part of my, my
job really, but we just kind of

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have busy work.
So I threw my earbud in.

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I was just listening to all your
stuff.

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I sent him a screenshot of the
Paige daily episode because we

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had a Loch Ness Monster thing
maybe a year or so ago where we

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were just crapped all over it,
talked about how fake it was.

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And I really liked her response
and your, your thing.

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We were like, well, what is it?
And she's like, it's the Loch

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Ness Monster, you know, I've
never seen anything.

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And I was like, man, we gotta
get this.

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We gotta get this lady on the
show.

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So I sent him this.
So we're gonna be griefing all

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your, all your guests and stuff.
But yeah, I was like, I, I shot

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him a, a message on messenger
and I was like, dude, this guy's

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like the Joe Rogan, except
really weird topics.

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I was like, I really like it.
Now.

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I haven't, I haven't listened to
you long enough to find out what

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your, your catch phrase is for
Rogan.

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It's DMT and whoa, I, I don't
know you know for you yet.

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But I got a few I've got I got a
probably right, right, right.

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I use that a lot like some would
say.

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So just to agree with them, I'll
just be like, yeah, right,

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right, right.
I got it.

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I got that kind of thing.
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Yeah, I'm, I'm really digging
it.

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I like.
Thanks man, just dig into the

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archive.
You're going to like this tons

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of shit in there.
If you like more cryptids and

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weird shit like that, you'll you
know, that's kind of always been

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my I love cryptozoology, but
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the show is to like do is wide a
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So it's like by the time I fit,
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like we've covered just about
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think of in the paranormal.
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much conspiracy wrong, but some
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death hoaxes I like to do.
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Flatter anything that's like a
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I like to do and I'm not like
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yeah, but I always wanted to be
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where Someone Like You, Jake,
who just found the show.

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Now you can go back and be like,
all right, well, what, you know,

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what is the I, we just, we do,
we post our classic shows on

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human combustion.
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over the years it was going on.
I'm like, well, what haven't we

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done yet?
It's like Amelia Earhart, you

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gotta do Amelia Earhart, you
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haven't done crop circles.
That might be the only one I

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haven't really done a whole show
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I'll, I'll remember it, but I

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that'll be one I should do
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But yeah, that's, that's kind of
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So yeah, for anyone who's just
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now you're in for a treat 'cause
it's like you can go back and

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check out these old shows that
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Nice for sure I was.
Threatening Jeremy earlier

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because he, I was talking about
you and he's like, oh, well,

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you're going to get to hear him
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And I was like, I was like,
wait, just me.

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Are you going to bail on me?
I was like, I was like, I swear

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to bail on me.
This is going to be the first

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Infinite Rabbit Hole episode
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Oh well, hell, man, we might be
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holes.
We just landed a sweet gig with

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Elmwood, the city of Elmwood in
Wisconsin, to do a documentary

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and stuff for him.
Oh, wow, awesome.

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Pretty cool stuff there.
Speaking of your catalog,

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though, 22 episodes really stuck
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The one that I led to listen to
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Coleman.
I actually reached out to him

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and he told me he didn't do
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well, OK.
And and then you did our our

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good friend Asher's.
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that she runs through the on
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feed.
Yes, OK, yeah, we talked about

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that when she was on the show.
The beat the beasts.

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The beasts like the spin offs
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Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

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was that series.
So we, we, we, we love Astra's

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here in the Yeah, she's real.
Cool.

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But Jake, any more questions,
'cause I got, I got, I got a

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banger.
Now go for it.

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Cool.
All right, Tim, so I'm I'm sure

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you heard the news.
They're they're bringing back

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the Las Vegas alien videos.
What do you think?

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Yeah, I've seen that.
I saw that.

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Yeah.
I'm not really too impressed.

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This it kind of it it, you know,
all this stuff always sort of

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falls apart.
So I'm waiting to see kind of

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like I think the guy who
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off for peer review or whatever.
So it's like, well, and maybe if

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somebody else looks at it, I
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look.
But to me, it's, yeah, I, I,

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it's, it's just weird that it's
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sudden after almost a year.
Yeah, that's what I was talking

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to somebody today about that.
And they're like, well, what?

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What are they trying to distract
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And it's like, yeah, I don't
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with cloaking on, you know,
Like, you know, it's got to be

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something because it just came
out of nowhere over a year

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later.
Yeah, yeah, it's, well, I mean,

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I think part of it is like, I
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more time goes by.
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Arrow, AARO in January or
February where they were like

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here it is, we didn't find
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It seemed to really take, it
felt like it really took the

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wind out of the sails of the UFO
subject, especially like the

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Super pro, you know, disclosure
people, I call them UAP

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aficionados because that's, you
know, that's what they want

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their thing to be.
So, so and it differentiates it

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from what I prefer, which is
like old school Ufology and

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flying saucers, Stan Friedman,
the old timers who were kind of

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like a little more eccentrics.
Now it's like government people

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and sort of a little more
highfalutin characters that are

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sort of driving this UFO thing.
So it feels like a lot of the

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air went out of the balloon with
that because I just don't feel

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the same buzz about UFOs that I
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So yeah, they're, they're in
their death throes, though

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they're still trying.
They're bringing Congress in all

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the time.
They're they're really trying to

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kick start this.
Yeah, yeah.

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It's definitely made it into a
serious issue.

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And definitely Congress has
involved sort of, you know,

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there's some congressmen who are
really into it.

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So it's it's certainly being
taken more seriously than it

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ever has in my career looking at
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So it's interesting.
I don't necessarily believe the

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government's going to say that
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So it's kind of, you know, to
me, it's just kind of like, I

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think it's going to end up just
kind of reaching a standstill.

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I mean, I don't it just, yeah, I
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it.
The government's going to tell

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us.
And I certainly like whether

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like, oh, well, you got to
release all the UFO documents.

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Like they're not going to find
like one document that's like,

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oh, whoops.
We we forgot that there was a

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picture of a dead alien in this
file that we were forced to

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release.
It's like they got, if they

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know, if they have information
and shit, the government like

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they got it all locked down,
dude.

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They're not, it's not like
something that they that you can

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accidentally get or force them
to release.

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They'll just be like, yeah, no,
that part's not that part.

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That's not, you know, it's
that's filed under FUO.

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So it's they don't you know you?
Don't get to see it.

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There's that, and then there's
also the the contracting portion

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of it.
You submit a FOIA request to the

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US government and they're like,
well, that's owned by Lockheed,

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right?
Exactly.

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You're not going to get nothing.
Yeah.

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Yeah, we've all compartmentalize
and shit, if it's even, you

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know, if we even have anything
that's like, I don't even

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necessarily believe, like the
government knows what the fucks

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going on a lot of the time, most
of the time, especially with

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UFOs.
So it's like they may be as

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confused as we are and they just
don't want to tell anybody that

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they don't really know what the
deal is.

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That's probably the case if if I
had to put my money in anything,

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it's that they don't know shit.
Yeah, I mean, look, it would be

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fucking awesome.
Like the old story of like

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Eisenhower meet an alien at the
at the air at the air base and

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like they cut a deal, even
though it's a horrible deal,

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like the aliens could abduct us
and shit.

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It's like, that's a that's a
great story.

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I'd be like fucking in a way at
once.

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It would be awesome if it was
true.

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It'd be like, wow, that's
fucking crazy.

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The government was cutting
secret deals with the aliens

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like in the 40s.
But the other part is just like,

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I don't know, it's been so long
that part of me is like this,

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this ought to have been cracked
open by now if it if it was what

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they say it is and what we think
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You know what I mean?
Like that it's aliens that are

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coming from another planet.
Like, you know, I part of me

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just thinks, I think I think we
can kind of get to the bottom of

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this by now.
There's been a lot of people

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working on it.
It's not like this is some new

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thing.
This is like the generations of

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people have been trying to
figure this out.

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So it's like, oh, maybe they
all, a lot of them seem to be

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working backwards from the
answer is that these are aliens

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coming here.
So it's like, oh, maybe if you,

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if we reverse the course of what
we're looking at, we'll get a

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better handle on this because
maybe it's not aliens.

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Because I've always recently
came to my attention just the

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science of it, where it's like.
If you, Jake or Jeremy, if you

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guys went to like Mars or
whatever and got out of your

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little ship like you would like
be crushed or whatever, like by

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the gravity or you'll be all
fucked up.

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Like you just, you know, So to
me it's like, if anything, it's

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like these beings or whatever,
it's like they're probably

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fucking robots or something.
How else could they function in

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our gravity and?
Everything.

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Like they're like.
BLOB fish at the desk of the

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ocean.
They're fish, but you bring them

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up, feed up bubblegum, Yeah.
Well, we, we brought that up

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multiple times how if anything,
these things have to be drones,

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some some sort of manufacturer
organic drone.

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Or you ask Jeff and he says that
you know, extraterrestrial

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extraterra on the other side of
the ice wall.

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Type they're.
From here, they're from the

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hollow earth type stuff, you
know.

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Yeah.
Yeah, oh, that's a point.

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Yeah, I know I've heard that
theory that like, yeah, they

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exist within the Earth.
So it's like, okay, well, that's

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a whole different.
That's a whole now then why the

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fuck would the government ever
tell us that, dude?

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Like they're not, they're
definitely not going to tell us.

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Oh, it turns out there's a whole
civilization living under the

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planet and it's like we can't
even get along here in America,

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like much less with anyone else
on the planet.

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Like all there's all these wars
going on now.

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It's like we found that now we.
Found a new civilization under

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the ice and we're going to start
a nuclear Holocaust with them.

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Right, right.
We found out there's a whole

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other civilization.
They live secretly on the earth.

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They're more advanced than us.
It's like, yeah, that that won't

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fucking freak people out.
You know, I think the best case

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scenario is they go look, we
found some shit on Mars, we

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found some monuments.
There's no one there.

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We can't find anybody else, but
there's some monuments.

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So clearly, you know,
intelligent beings exist out in

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the universe.
They were around here at some

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point.
Maybe they created us.

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We don't know.
We don't know anything about

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them.
All we know is they existed and

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they're gone.
So you don't have to worry about

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them coming to hurt you or
anything like that.

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They're not just couldn't be any
invasion because they're all

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gone.
They must have died in some kind

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of disaster.
And you know, we need be better

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to each other here on Earth to
prevent that from happening

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here.
That would be like the best

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thing that could happen.
I think that would be like the

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most the safest because I liken
this the pandemic was

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disclosure.
That was the alien, that was the

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template, the pandemic.
So it's like this outer force

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came.
We don't know what the deal is

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with this outside force.
It fucks you up and, and no one

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could.
You would think the whole idea

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was like, oh, the aliens would
come and we'd all work together

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to fucking band off the alien.
And it's like, no, that didn't

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happen, dude.
The alien came and we fought

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each other over how to how to
deal with the alien.

443
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,160
Like we, we, we self destructed.
We self destructed in the face

444
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,640
of the alien.
We were like, fuck you.

445
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,720
Well, what you got to do with
the alien is you got to do this.

446
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,080
You're lying.
You know what you're talking

447
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,560
about, like whatever.
And it's like there's your

448
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,560
there's your template for
disclosure.

449
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,920
That's like, why, why they why?
I'm actually an almost an anti

450
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,320
disclosure advocate simply by
that notion that it's like we

451
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,360
can't fucking handle this dude.
We cannot.

452
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,000
We cannot handle the truth.
I don't care what anyone says,

453
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,120
like you and I3 of us.
Sure, we've thought about this.

454
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:38,320
We've contemplated this regular
people who get their news from

455
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,880
the news and don't think beyond
that or don't even watch the

456
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,880
news.
I know people that don't even

457
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,200
fucking watch the news.
Like how do you like who have no

458
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,760
connection to current events?
Like they watch sports or TV

459
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,400
shows and shit.
But like, if you're like, well,

460
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,840
what do you think?
There's a big trial going on

461
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,440
here in Massachusetts.
Karen Reed trial.

462
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,920
I'm like a huge true crime buff,
you know, ask for.

463
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,800
I don't know who that is.
Like, what do you mean?

464
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,280
And I'm like, well, what do you
think how the election's shaping

465
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,560
up 'cause it's, you know, it's
going to be this real.

466
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,960
I, oh, is that what's happening?
Is it going to be those two

467
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,800
again?
It's like, how do you not know

468
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,040
this shit?
So there's tons of people.

469
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,080
Like this out there, tons and
tons of people.

470
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,680
I'd say more than more than
half, like the majority of

471
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,720
people are probably kind of just
tuned fucking out.

472
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,800
On the alien topic, I'm curious
what you thought about those

473
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,640
fossilized.
Like was it Peruvian or Mexican

474
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,440
aliens that came out earlier?
This.

475
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,920
Year.
Yeah, those are fake because

476
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,600
people were like people.
Were like, oh, but yeah, I mean,

477
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,840
and also it's like why?
Why would their heads be

478
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,280
supporting their bodies and
their backs up that you die and

479
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,680
your head goes down like this if
you're laying on a flat surface

480
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,040
you moron.
Yeah, yeah, the I did an article

481
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,400
about it.
Like, around the start of the

482
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,440
year, the Peruvian government
seized a couple other ones last

483
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,720
fall and then did tests on them
and pretty much conclusively

484
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,640
showed that they were like
cobbled together, like animal

485
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,960
bones.
I think like dolls.

486
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,600
They were dolls that were like
had some looked.

487
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,880
Like the worst gamer mache ever
was used.

488
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they're like, pissed about

489
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,640
it.
The Peruvian government and

490
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,720
everything.
They're like, stop.

491
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,520
Like, you know, it in some
cases, well, they don't know

492
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,800
about the other ones
necessarily, but like the thing

493
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,080
they show that they see is the
airport looks exactly like the

494
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,160
one for Mexico.
So it's like, OK, dude, this is

495
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,680
probably like the same guy, the
same.

496
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,680
Well, whoever made the doll,
like it's the same dude.

497
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,000
Otherwise, it's uncanny the
resemblance.

498
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,120
So they're just kind of like,
hey, you're encouraging people

499
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:48,440
to come to our country and take
shit essentially.

500
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,000
So stop doing that.
That's kind of.

501
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,840
Their.
Their deal?

502
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:59,040
Yeah, so, well, I mean, I'm just
thinking about like if that

503
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,640
whole thing was a dry run for an
an abduction, we're completely

504
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,000
fucked.
We're so fucked.

505
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,240
What do you mean?
We're talking about the the

506
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,960
COVID years.
Yeah, yeah, we're fucked.

507
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,440
Like 'cause he was talking.
About yeah, people would turn on

508
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,040
each other and shit.
It would just be like panic, you

509
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,480
know, which is what it was like
because like with the alien

510
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,680
coming in, you know, you don't
like at least with people kind

511
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,960
of stuck at home so they
couldn't really fucking fight

512
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,800
each other and shit.
It's like if it's like, no, no,

513
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600
you got to like, you know,
there's aliens and shit.

514
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,400
Yeah, it would be.
It would be ugly.

515
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,240
Could you imagine that, that
press conference, it's like,

516
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,000
hey, so here's Dave.
He's an alien, and he's actually

517
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,600
from a different dimension.
Watch as he phases into

518
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,120
existence.
He comes into existence and you

519
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,560
just see everybody, you know,
70% of the population, their

520
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,440
brains are just going to melt
through their fucking ears.

521
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,880
I don't know man, I think nearly
all of the South would be like

522
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,880
but what does Dave taste like?
Deep fried.

523
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,400
Oh yeah, it would.
I've seen it before.

524
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,200
I would if it was.
It was done in a humane fashion.

525
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,400
I would eat an alien.
Why not?

526
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,160
Oh yeah, you got it.
You got to try it if you can't.

527
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,240
Especially if there are like
some squid monsters or something

528
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,320
like that and calamari all day
are.

529
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:20,040
Are there tags for Dave?
Good stuff.

530
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,920
So what what did you think about
the the Miami Mall stuff?

531
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,920
I thought that was all bullshit,
too.

532
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,360
A lot of this big stuff that
kind of gets big, big, big is

533
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:36,560
like, turns out to be garbage.
Yeah, it was interesting how it

534
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,920
spread.
I thought that was really

535
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,320
interesting and just sort of
like how you can't really these

536
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,320
things take on a life of their
own pretty much.

537
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,680
And it's just spreads like
wildfire and Tik Tok's like the

538
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,560
bang of my existence.
And it's like if shit gets going

539
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,040
on TikTok, it like spreads like
crazy and it's often most of the

540
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,080
information.
I mean, I can't say that for

541
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,560
sure because I'm not on TikTok,
but it sure seems like a lot of

542
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,160
the information on TikTok is
like bullshit or.

543
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,120
That's for clicks.
Yeah, like that's for kids.

544
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:14,000
Yeah.
Oh, and for kids and for kids.

545
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,760
So it's like young people like
who are like I just found out

546
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,160
about like for example, like
when you guys, you say you did

547
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,160
like the injured cold episode.
Like someone could be like they

548
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,400
do 30 a 30 second version of the
fucking story.

549
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,880
And it's like, I just heard the
craziest story about this

550
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,240
injured cold guy and like fucks
up half the details or leaves a

551
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,880
whole bunch of stuff out and
everything.

552
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,440
And then that goes all, you
know, it spreads like crazy

553
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,880
TikTok and it's like, Christ,
like this.

554
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,920
And that, that's how you get a
whole bunch of people thinking

555
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,840
he's like a crazy grinning man
that's going to watch you sleep.

556
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,320
And it's like, did you listen at
all?

557
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,840
You know?
Yeah, no idea exactly.

558
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,160
Fucking stupid.
It's like yes, but also no.

559
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,760
Right, right.
No, we we did an episode when

560
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,560
that came out and we're still
waiting on the trailer for

561
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,240
Stranger Things.
I think we're going to see

562
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,200
something there.
You think it's connected to the

563
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,680
Stranger Things or you're making
a joke.

564
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,640
We're like, we're like, it's
such a big thing.

565
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,960
You know, it's like, I lived in
Southern California on on

566
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,000
military orders and there would
be whole streets blocked off and

567
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,400
all these like rice burner race
cars sitting on the side of the

568
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,960
road because they're doing a
movie shoot.

569
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,680
They didn't tell anybody about
it type stuff.

570
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,200
It's like, why don't they why
don't, why aren't they filming

571
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,040
a, a trailer for some movie or
something like that or some

572
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,720
movie shoot And all these people
in their apartment complexes are

573
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,560
are, you know, above it are just
like, Oh my gosh, you know.

574
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,200
Right, Well, that's the other
part of it though, too, right?

575
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,000
Isn't the only thing really is
there's like one essentially

576
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,240
like one video, right?
I mean, there weren't like tons

577
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,800
of videos.
Like if something happened at a

578
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,960
mall, you would think, like you
would think it would be like 50

579
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,480
or 60 videos, you know?
I mean, like, you see that when

580
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,360
crazy shit happens on when real
crazy shit happens, like it's

581
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,120
not so great anymore on X 'cause
you can't fucking believe half

582
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,920
the shit you see on there now,
'cause the moderation's

583
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,520
atrocious.
But back in the day, like

584
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,560
something would happen and you
would see like four or five

585
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,520
videos pop up of the same thing
from different people who were

586
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,280
there.
I don't mean paranormal per SE.

587
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,880
Generally like shootings and
shit and like that, you know,

588
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,400
like, they'd be like this cop
attack this guy.

589
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,000
Here's, you know, a person
filmed it from there and another

590
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,320
person was filming it over here
and it's like, oh shit.

591
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:29,840
So you know.
Yeah, yeah, still I, I don't

592
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,520
know just the the line of cars.
I I think it was our Co host

593
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,960
Jeff that brought it up that,
you know, could be potential

594
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,560
like a screen shoot for or a
scene shoot for some fucking

595
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,480
show it.
Very well could be, could be.

596
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,960
I mean, 'cause I got part of
the, I guess the part that I

597
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,640
don't necessarily believe is
like this part where the people

598
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,040
were like, yeah, we were in the
mall and these aliens fucking

599
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,240
were like, well, like right
there.

600
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,040
It's like, so, so there's like a
dozen people there and an alien

601
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,480
like walks through the mall and
nobody thought to fucking even

602
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,680
film it or take a picture of it.
It's like all you have is that

603
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,600
video of the, of the huge line
of cars.

604
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,080
And that does look really
fucked.

605
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,280
But then it could be, but, but
part of me, it could be a movie

606
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,880
shooting.
It also just could be like, I

607
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,440
thought the theory was like they
thought there was a shooting or

608
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,160
something and it was just like,
they're so hair triggered with

609
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,160
that stuff.
Rightfully so with that stuff

610
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,320
now that it's like if they
thought there was an active

611
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,400
shooter at the fucking mall,
that is what you would see.

612
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,600
You would see a shit load of you
know, and and maybe they maybe

613
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,560
like somehow they thought that,
but they didn't it didn't get

614
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,200
out to the wider public at the
time where they were like, look,

615
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,000
this is just get everybody get
the fuck over the mall.

616
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,080
Something happened and not
fucking aliens or whatever.

617
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,680
They all fucking swarmed,
swarmed them all.

618
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,680
But it's that's just kind of
thing where there's so many

619
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,120
witnesses.
There should be better proof

620
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,760
than whatever we saw.
So clearly it was like some

621
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,440
someone took something and kind
of was like spun it like and was

622
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,040
like it was an alien.
Dude, look at this like a baby,

623
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Like you were saying, like you
were saying Jeremy, like they

624
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,680
filmed it out of their apartment
window and they were like they

625
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,120
made-up the fucking story.
Keep you know, then that guy.

626
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,240
I don't even I mean, I don't
even know who originally filmed

627
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,640
that first part.
So it's like I don't.

628
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,880
Think he ever came forward?
It's the one.

629
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,320
Guy the 1st.
Hand memo that they were

630
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,600
shooting a movie.
And all the first hand accounts

631
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,600
and they're all saying, oh, this
is what we saw, this what we

632
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,320
saw.
It all is parallel to the

633
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,280
narrative.
And then, and then a couple of

634
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,440
days later, they're like, I was
just lying, you know, just for,

635
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,040
just for the attention.
And everyone's like.

636
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,440
The government's making them
say.

637
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,720
That and it's just like.
Yeah.

638
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,040
Yeah, exactly.
You know, maybe they're getting

639
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,000
too many follow up questions and
they're just like, OK, you got

640
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,240
me, you know, right, right.
Right, exactly.

641
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,120
Good stuff, good stuff.
So switch the subjects a little

642
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,640
bit.
Let's go back to the show.

643
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,240
How did you get into all this?
What?

644
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,440
What's your origin with the the
strange and the unusual?

645
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,520
I just really liked it as a kid,
like Unsolved Mysteries,

646
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,120
especially like in the 80s and a
little bit of sightings in the

647
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,240
90s, but then then kind of just
drifted out of it because really

648
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,480
there wasn't.
I graduated from high school in

649
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,880
97, so right before The X-Files
kind of took off.

650
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,720
So it was kind of like, and you
know, when you're in high

651
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,480
school, you kind of, you know, I
was only interested in really

652
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,480
having a good time.
So it's like I didn't really

653
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,280
care chasing the mysteries of
the universe.

654
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,080
I was trying to chase other
things.

655
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,040
So it was like the, you know, I
got out of it kind of like in my

656
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,320
early teen years or whatever.
And then like I said, I got out

657
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,440
of college. 911 happened.
I I kind of had a renewed

658
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,600
interest in Bigfoot.
I want to write a Bigfoot movie.

659
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,800
It's like back when there
weren't fucking 1000 Bigfoot

660
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,240
movies.
And so I got that.

661
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Then I got Lauren Coleman's
book, read that, read a few

662
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,360
other Bigfoot books and then
really kind of like got me into

663
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,240
the scene.
The whole kicked it all off was

664
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:09,080
Jim Marrs rule by secrecy, which
I picked up and read like in one

665
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,600
weekend.
And then I I read alien agenda,

666
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,639
his second book and those two
kind of like just I just took

667
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,920
off after that.
That was kind of like what

668
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,320
really launched me into all
this.

669
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,560
I then I started getting
everything I could get my hands

670
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,280
on.
I'm guessing that's the Lauren

671
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,159
Coleman book.
Yeah.

672
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,120
Yeah, it's such, such a good
book.

673
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,560
Fucking good book you're in.
It's a.

674
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,040
Great book.
Yeah.

675
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,760
Yeah, I know Lauren real well.
Yeah, he's a good dude.

676
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,320
So.
I've known Lauren for like 15

677
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,120
years.
It's crazy now.

678
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaking of Bigfoot in New
England, actually I saw, I saw

679
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,239
mine in southern Vermont.
You saw Bigfoot right outside

680
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,480
Brattleboro.
Really.

681
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,120
Yep.
Wow.

682
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,880
All right.
How far is that from Whitehall?

683
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,760
I want to say Whitehall.
I don't know.

684
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,600
I'm not familiar with where
Whitehall is.

685
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,880
I don't think it was the beast.
I mean it, it could have been

686
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,560
part of the, you know, no, I.
Just wonder it would be like the

687
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,120
same kind of terrain area.
But yeah, wow, that's cool.

688
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,520
So you wow Bigfoot siding.
You're a very lucky man.

689
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,200
Yeah, that's kind of what kicked
it off for me.

690
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,760
I can imagine.
Yeah, I got called a fucking

691
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,240
loser in my whole life because
I, you know, and then I stopped

692
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,400
saying what I saw and just kind
of went along with, with life.

693
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,960
How old were you when you saw
the Bigfoot?

694
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,640
Nine years old, man.
Oh shit.

695
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,280
Wow.
And what was it doing?

696
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,680
I'm sure you've told the story a
million times on the show or in

697
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,800
other places, but what?
What?

698
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,440
Tell again for the 15th.
Yeah, tell again for me, You

699
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,200
know, you can't say you saw a
fucking Bigfoot.

700
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,720
Just like, leave, leave me.
Yeah, you know, leave me like,

701
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,680
OK, man.
Yeah.

702
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,000
Right in your right in your
neighborhood there.

703
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,040
Well, I'm not going to go into
the whole thing.

704
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,720
I'll just tell you the gist.
What it was doing was it was

705
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,640
walking off into the tree line
of of a field with a deer over

706
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,960
its shoulder.
Yeah.

707
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,920
And it and the deer was
screaming, man.

708
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,400
And it just took that fucking
thing's head and just smacked it

709
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,360
up against the fucking tree.
Wow, that's a very detailed and

710
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,000
colorful siding.
That's a good, that's a great

711
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,160
sighting.
That's like that's a little

712
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,360
doubt that that's a Bigfoot kind
of sighting.

713
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,960
Very interesting.
Yeah, I was.

714
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,320
Well, at nine years old, I
thought I was a werewolf.

715
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,800
That's the only thing I knew.
Yeah, I didn't know it was a

716
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,240
fucking.
I didn't know what a Bigfoot was

717
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,400
at nine years old, man.
That's.

718
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,160
A That's a great point.
Then that's a yeah, that's,

719
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:37,080
that's a good, yeah, that adds
some level of credence to the

720
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,520
story.
Yeah, 'cause you weren't like,

721
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,320
oh, I saw a big yeah.
Interesting.

722
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,240
That's really interesting.
Yeah, man, I I just, I remember,

723
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,680
I may or.
May not whole story.

724
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,280
I may or may not have pissed
myself that day.

725
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,720
I would have pissed my pants.
Yeah.

726
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,200
I mean, you must have run away
like screaming and shit, right?

727
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,840
I mean, I do that now.
Yeah, you know that.

728
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,240
I I man.
How far away was it from you?

729
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,920
Probably about 6080 yards.
All right, Yeah, well, even far

730
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,440
enough away that it wasn't like.
Yeah, but still, I'd be fucking

731
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,040
scared.
Yeah.

732
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,680
Jesus by.
Yourself.

733
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,440
Yeah.
All by myself.

734
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Yeah.
No, the story was that I got a

735
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,280
new scope for my BB gun and I
was being a boy and I wanted to

736
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,480
go shoot chipmunks and birds.
And I went down to this field

737
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,440
that my.
Here it goes.

738
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,680
I went down to this field and my
grandfather used to mow down

739
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,680
because it was, you know, his
property.

740
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,360
And I'm putting out a little bit
more information than I guess

741
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,080
they've ever heard.
But anyways, and he hadn't mowed

742
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,560
it down yet.
It was in the springtime.

743
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,320
And I went down there, I was
going to throw sticks out into

744
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,000
the field to try to get some
quail to, to pop up and try to

745
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,960
peg a quail.
And I saw this whitetail sitting

746
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,480
out in the, the middle of the
field.

747
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,720
And so I, I put my scope on her
ass.

748
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:00,280
I was going to shoot her in the
butt and then she was gone.

749
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,960
So I dropped my gun and there it
was, just walking off with this

750
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,920
fucking thing in his arm.
Jesus.

751
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,880
There's no way that it didn't
know I was there.

752
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,120
I mean, I was a nine year old
boy.

753
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,480
I didn't.
I wasn't being fucking quiet,

754
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,600
you know, I'm surprised I didn't
scare the fucking the deer away,

755
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,920
you know?
Yeah, I don't.

756
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,680
I don't want to do that shit
again.

757
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,080
I tell Jake all the time.
I said I'll I'll get another

758
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,320
fucking sighting, but I want to
be in a car or something.

759
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,400
I don't.
Want to like?

760
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,760
Like my sighting when I was
driving through Oklahoma,

761
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,160
barring a a 7 1/2 foot tall
Olympic athlete wearing a

762
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,200
ghillie suit running full tilt
through a field.

763
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,240
You know, I was I was telling
him I had to drive from from

764
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,520
California, Wisconsin.
I got out of the Navy and my

765
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,520
wife was already in Wisconsin.
She had moved a couple months

766
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,000
before me and I was put
motorcycles in the trailer was

767
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,440
driving them across country.
I was going through Oklahoma and

768
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:03,360
you know, 8 hours of driving,
you're just like scanning around

769
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,880
everything and stuff like that,
right?

770
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,800
Just same semi trucks and me on
the freeway all the way across.

771
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,680
And I like, I'm glancing into
these fields where all these

772
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,000
cows are just looking to my
right and I see this thing just

773
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,360
hauling across this freaking
field.

774
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,560
And I'm like, I'm like in a, in
a 10 second span, I get a good

775
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,800
few glances, 'cause there's
trucks in front of me.

776
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,840
They're trying to murder man,
you know, getting in the fast

777
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,080
lane going around.
So I'm just like glancing,

778
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,640
glancing, glancing.
And I'm like, I've been doing

779
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,280
this podcast for 3 1/2 years
now.

780
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,600
And I'm sitting here like,
right, really.

781
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,600
I, I call it Jeremy.
And I'm just like, I, like, I

782
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,800
think I just saw something,
dude.

783
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:44,960
And he's like, all right, we'll
break it down.

784
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,000
What'd you see?
And I was just like, all right,

785
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,520
So kind of give him the
description.

786
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,640
I was like, I was like, I, I saw
this thing that was not a cow.

787
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,680
It was upright and it was
running, right?

788
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,720
And I was like, long strides,
big long strides.

789
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,160
Yeah, yeah.
And he was just like, all right,

790
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,440
well, what could it have been?
Right?

791
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,400
And we're just kind of break it
down and we were talking for 25

792
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,840
minutes and I'm like, I'm like,
all right.

793
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,600
So barring like an 8 foot tall
Olympic athlete, full tilt

794
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,360
running wearing a ghillie suit,
you.

795
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:13,640
Know.
Yeah, yeah.

796
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,680
Yeah, 98% sure that it was a
Bigfoot and.

797
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Well, they got a lot of Bigfoot
out there.

798
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,560
Oklahoma's huge for that sort of
stuff.

799
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,840
All the crap investors and stuff
say, yeah, you watch them break

800
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,280
the tree lion, haul across the
field and go into the next tree

801
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,400
lion, you know, all the time
they're just hauling across

802
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,680
these fields and stuff.
And so.

803
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,120
And it's like, oh, cool.
Jake didn't know that at the

804
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,680
time.
I had to send him article after

805
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,320
article and like, dude, you
know, you're, you're in Bigfoot

806
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,640
territory, man.
That's that's.

807
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:40,080
That's Bigfoot country.
He's like, where you at?

808
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,120
Seeing.
Fucking Bigfoot.

809
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,120
He's like, where you at?
Send me a screenshot.

810
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,400
I mean, I'd rather have Jeremy's
experience because then it would

811
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,080
be like, you know, I'd be like,
yes, that's exactly what I saw

812
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,600
versus being like, I could have
been a cow running on its hind

813
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,000
legs, you know, come on.
Yeah, who knows?

814
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,080
Maybe that all the time.
Right.

815
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,120
Yeah.
It's probably a black bear

816
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,800
sprinting on its hind legs, of
course.

817
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,000
Yeah.
So to answer your question from

818
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,400
before Tim, an hour and 30
minutes away from my home by

819
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,880
car.
Oh, OK, yeah.

820
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,040
So that's.
Pretty close, I think.

821
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,000
In woods.
In woods, you know?

822
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,120
Yeah.
Is that?

823
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,000
Is that not?
Is that 90 minute drive?

824
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,120
Yeah.
OK, so I bet it's actually

825
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,560
closer in mileage in like actual
distance because 90 minutes

826
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,960
driving up there is like you're
covering like 60 actual miles.

827
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,160
It's like a fucking nightmare of
like back roads and summer lane

828
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,320
highways and shit.
I'm looking at the path that it

829
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,320
would take because I just looked
it up on maps and you know,

830
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:45,360
there's a big Crescent to it.
So by the way, the crow flies,

831
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,800
I'd say 50 miles.
Yeah, so that's probably like in

832
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,000
the same territory as that as
the Bigfoot that are thought to

833
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,480
be out there.
I mean, it's pretty, Whitehall's

834
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,440
pretty.
I've been out there a few times

835
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,040
and it's you look around and
it's like I could see a Bigfoot

836
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,360
living here.
Like it's just mountains and

837
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,040
just not, you know, tree, tons
of tree covered mountains and

838
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,720
shit.
And it's like, well, you know,

839
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,560
it's, it's the alpha predator of
the area.

840
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:18,080
I could see how it would, it
would do all right there, you

841
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,120
know?
Yeah, yeah, we had very, very

842
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:26,440
early in the show, we had Kenny
Irish on and he's he's from up

843
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,680
that way and he was kind of
breaking down the Beast for for

844
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,280
me a little bit.
But you know, I, I had watched

845
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,160
like the monster quest episode
on the Beast of Whitehall, and

846
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,680
that's pretty much as far as my
knowledge went on the whole

847
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,960
thing.
Honestly didn't even know I,

848
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,520
when I first learned that
Bigfoot was even a thing, which

849
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,680
was like 12 or 13 years old.
I was sitting at home sick from

850
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,160
school and, and I was, I, I was
watching the search of and they

851
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,320
did that, that Patterson Gimlin
special.

852
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,000
So I went into a whole bunch of,
you know, trying to find

853
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,720
whatever I could on on Bigfoot,
which wasn't much because I

854
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:09,080
don't, I think the Internet was
like brand fucking new at the

855
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,040
time.
But basically it just was was

856
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:19,400
that I found that it was pretty
much a strictly Northwestern

857
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,280
creature.
And obviously, throughout the

858
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,240
years, I've learned that that
wasn't fucking true.

859
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,920
Right, right.
Yeah, seems to be.

860
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,280
Yeah, seems to be like Pacific
Northwest and some kind of like

861
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,080
territory like in the New
England deep Pennsylvania, that

862
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,920
kind of maybe some kind of
corridor, you know, and then it

863
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,720
migrates.
The best theory I've heard, it's

864
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:47,760
like it's migratory maybe.
So it's like might always be on

865
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,520
the fucking move, you know what
I mean?

866
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,520
So I I just do a loop around the
country.

867
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,640
I want to say it was in Lauren
Coleman's book here that he had

868
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,360
talked about blueberry patches
and how they migrate with

869
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,680
blueberries and that.
Could be possible?

870
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,600
Interesting.
I'll tell you one thing that

871
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,360
this portion of Vermont had in
the springtime was fucking

872
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,040
blueberries.
Tons of them.

873
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,760
Yeah.
Oh yeah, All fucking.

874
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,640
You know, this makes me wonder.
You know, as you said, you've

875
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,480
pretty much covered every
category of thing you can

876
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,360
through your years of podcasting
and doing your show.

877
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:31,000
So whether it's cryptozoology or
paranormal or aliens or

878
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,880
whatever, The thing is, what are
the things that you really put

879
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,960
more of your, I don't want to
say faith, but more of your

880
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,920
like, yeah, this probably exists
through the amount of

881
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,320
researchers you've had, you
know, is it ghosts, aliens, you

882
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,240
know, specific cryptic or
something like that.

883
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,120
I like to hope that Bigfoot's
real.

884
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,040
So I mean, I think, I think that
that's I still hold out hope

885
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,360
that there's something to that,
but I can't really stake like,

886
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,120
you know, I I so maybe like the
orang Pendek is a particularly

887
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,760
intriguing creature that like
lives Sumatra in these jungles

888
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,560
that haven't, you know, been
touched by human civilization.

889
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,400
And they've been seen by native
villagers and stuff there, but

890
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,320
certainly not all the time.
They're super elusive.

891
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,040
They're like a little bipedal
ape, essentially like a like a

892
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,760
bipedal, yeah, like a little
mini Bigfoot.

893
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,720
So I think that one seems more
certainly like the kind of thing

894
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:40,160
that if it happened tomorrow and
they said they found one, I'd

895
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,080
I'd believe it.
They'd be like, oh, OK, that

896
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,760
doesn't that doesn't stun me,
you know what I mean?

897
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,160
I'd be like, oh, wow.
OK, so they finally got that you

898
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,680
are in van deck, you know but.
I suppose.

899
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,440
Yeah, it's.
But yeah, I mean, I kind of, I

900
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,120
hope for the best with all this
stuff.

901
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,560
I don't say ghosts, I just
believe in, but I think they're

902
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,640
just kind of like like almost
meteorological or something.

903
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,560
Not that they are, but that's
just kind of how I feel about.

904
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,320
It's like it's a part of our
universe.

905
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,920
I don't understand it.
It's like if you ask me to

906
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,680
explain the fucking cloud, I
couldn't tell you how a cloud

907
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,680
works, honestly.
And look, I went to Syracuse.

908
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,440
I say TV, radio and film.
What do you want from me?

909
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,600
I don't want a fucking cloud.
So it's like, but ghosts are

910
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,880
like clouds to me.
They're just like they happen.

911
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,240
There's so they exist.
There's something to it, but we

912
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:33,520
don't really know how it happens
or what it even fucking means,

913
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,560
you know?
So that's, yeah, I've reached

914
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,720
that point in my life with, with
ghosts and sort of the, the, the

915
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:47,120
afterlife type stuff and even
like weird powers or whatever,

916
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,240
like telepathy or mind reading
or psychic stuff.

917
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:54,080
It's like, there's clearly
something to this, but how it

918
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,800
works and why it works and all
that is that's why, you know,

919
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,240
we're still all kind of
interested in it.

920
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,160
You know, I think it was your
episode with James A Willis.

921
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:09,160
I'm pretty sure I listened to it
today where he really hit the

922
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:14,160
nail on the head for me as far
as why I give zero like weight

923
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,320
in ghost existence.
And it was just him crapping all

924
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,320
over all the Ghost Hunter TV
shows.

925
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,680
Where there's like they're.
Constantly looking, they're

926
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,560
never finding anything.
It's all this nonsense.

927
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,480
All the equipment they use is
baloney.

928
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,040
You know, all this sort of
stuff.

929
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,040
He's breaking it all down.
It's just a crappy radio, you

930
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,760
know, all their spirit boxes and
stuff.

931
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,320
They're picking up a DJ, you
know, all this sort of stuff.

932
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,520
And I was like, man, I I give no
credence to any of that stuff

933
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,720
because of how dumb those shows
are, because I just laugh at

934
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,000
them.
My wife's like, oh, did you see

935
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,720
this one?
I was like, no, I don't care.

936
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,160
Yeah, yeah.
You know, it was really good.

937
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,160
To kind of fill you in, Tim, a
little bit about our show, we

938
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,800
have four guys and we all have
different points of view on all

939
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,760
this stuff and you just.
Have sightings?

940
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,800
Do the other two guys have
Bigfoot sightings too?

941
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,440
It's a sky.
No.

942
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,120
So we have.
Fucks going on?

943
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,440
No, so Jeff is is your tinfoil
hat conspiracy, fucking crazy

944
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,000
dude.
Love them to death.

945
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,080
CJ is your your hauntings, your
spirits, your occult, your

946
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:23,160
mysticism, that kind of stuff.
Jake's your skeptic and he also

947
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,240
looks through everything at
everything through a Christian

948
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:27,160
point of view.
And I just love fucking.

949
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,960
Monsters.
They're definitely demons, you

950
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,280
know, Just like, there's no way.
Well, I wouldn't put much too

951
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,800
much credence in in, you know,
in fucking any of this ghost

952
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,400
hunting show stuff, you know
what I mean?

953
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,040
Especially any of that equipment
and stuff.

954
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,280
It's.
Like entertainment?

955
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,360
Yeah, but I think everybody, I
mean, most people have some kind

956
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,760
of, they've had an experience or
they know someone who's had an

957
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,680
experience, someone they really
trust, you know, who they don't

958
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,400
wouldn't put them on, has had
some kind of weird ghostly

959
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,320
thing.
And it's just, it's a weird,

960
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,080
there's a weird naturalness to
it.

961
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,000
That's not, you know, where it's
just like, oh, my grandma died.

962
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,280
And then the next day, like I
smelled her like like a month

963
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,400
later.
So it wouldn't have been, you

964
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,640
know, like a like a year later,
like I smelled her.

965
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,360
But it's like, where the fuck
did that, you know?

966
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,600
But maybe that's just the brain.
Maybe the brain.

967
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:21,840
Maybe you're having a fucking
stroke, right?

968
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,200
Maybe.
Maybe like.

969
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,560
Burt Toast all of a sudden.
Yeah, Like, yeah, like maybe,

970
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,000
maybe, Yeah.
So but there's, there's all

971
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,120
those weird little weird shit,
little weird coincidences are

972
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,960
really kind of like, you know,
spooky.

973
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,480
And I think that they they mean
something.

974
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,040
My, my mom, I want to get her on
the show.

975
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,120
But yeah, I mean, Christian
lady, you know, even me as a

976
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,840
Christian guy, I don't believe
you go two places when you die,

977
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,560
right?
And, but even still, you know,

978
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,360
she was a, an Air Force brat.
Her, her dad, my grandpa was,

979
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,080
was in the Air Force for 26
years.

980
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,280
They did some time in England,
one of the houses they lived on

981
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,800
base in England.
The woman went crazy, killed her

982
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,520
kids, hung herself off the
banister type stuff.

983
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,760
And when they moved into that
house, 'cause it's not like

984
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,400
they're going to demolish it.
It's base housing, right?

985
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,560
They're keep it up for forever
until it's condemned.

986
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,200
But they move into this house
and she says it was all kinds of

987
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,560
stuff.
She would get pushed down the

988
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,720
stairs, the the stove would turn
on in the middle of the night

989
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:25,960
and like, you know, towels would
get thrown on top of the flames.

990
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,040
All sorts of crazies would
constantly happen.

991
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,440
Then one day, grandpa comes
inside after work.

992
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,240
Grandma, you know, classic, you
know, old school housewife had

993
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,080
just been home with the kids all
day long.

994
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,200
And she's like, all this
craziness is going on.

995
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,440
They've been dealing with it for
months.

996
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,840
And he walks right into the
front door and he says, if you

997
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,320
don't knock this effing stuff
off, I'm going to burn this

998
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,120
house to the ground.
And everything stops in that

999
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,080
house for another year.
And everything was done.

1000
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,440
And then they he got orders back
to the states.

1001
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,320
They moved away.
She was five at the time, but

1002
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,840
she remembers all this craziness
going on and grandma and grandpa

1003
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,960
took a trip, you know, years
later, you know, 20 years later

1004
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,280
to go back to England, you know,
he's out of the military.

1005
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,760
They want to go on this, you
know, hey, wedding anniversary

1006
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,880
trip around let's go back to the
old place.

1007
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,600
So they went back to the base.
He gets on on base and they sure

1008
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,160
enough, the house is still
there, right?

1009
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,520
You know, some of these
buildings on these bases, 100

1010
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,280
years old plus, right, still got
asbestos and lead paint, who

1011
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,600
cares?
But so they go to this house

1012
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,560
and, and they, they walk right
up to the front door and they,

1013
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,680
they ring the doorbell and
they're like, hey, you know, we

1014
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,200
used to live here so many years
ago, all this sort of stuff.

1015
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,200
Is she still here?
And their faces went white.

1016
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,240
And they're like, you know about
her.

1017
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,520
And they're like, yeah, you
know, and, and she's.

1018
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,720
Just like she's just like making
a movie, dude.

1019
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,800
And my mom's like, I don't know
what to tell you.

1020
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,840
Like, I don't believe in ghosts,
but there was something crazy

1021
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,840
there.
There was all.

1022
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,560
Kinds of violence in that
household.

1023
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,560
And something wild was going on
there.

1024
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,800
And it, it went, you know, for
years and years and years.

1025
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,080
And it's just like, I don't
know, you know?

1026
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,040
Wild.
But then you try to get into any

1027
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,440
like, oh, well, what are ghosts?
And then you get into the ghost

1028
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,680
hunting shows and you just.
Yeah.

1029
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,920
Yeah, they're just, they are
just for entertainment.

1030
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,280
They're not really someone
working.

1031
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,760
A fart next to someone else.
Like I smell sulphur, you know,

1032
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,440
It's like.
Weird, right, right.

1033
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,360
Well, to like extend the
analogy, like the ghost hunting

1034
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,880
shows are like if you were
watching fucking people lying in

1035
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,440
a field, pointing up at the
clouds and being like, that's,

1036
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,240
that's whatever, you know,
trying to make, you know, look,

1037
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:36,680
that looks like a thing.
It's a trying to tell me

1038
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,600
something and it's like, oh man,
it's just a natural thing that's

1039
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,960
happening.
You got to just kind of, you

1040
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,240
know, look at it that way maybe
and take a different view of it.

1041
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,240
The ghost hunters.
I mean, I guess, you know, I

1042
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:49,440
would try and run around with
equipment and shit.

1043
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,280
It's like.
But I mean, that's like

1044
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,280
everything too.
You get the the Bigfoot hunters

1045
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,960
too.
I mean, I don't know, I saw a

1046
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,600
meme a year ago and it was so
funny.

1047
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,320
They're like all these ghosts or
or Bigfoot hunters, they're out

1048
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,800
in the woods doing Bigfoot
mating calls.

1049
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,160
Like, what are they going to do
when that thing breaks the tree

1050
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,880
line full tilt, Right?
Yeah, right.

1051
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,000
No.
No, no.

1052
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,120
You get, you get your answer if
it's a red rocket or not.

1053
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,920
Yeah, for science.
For science follow up question

1054
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,360
from what Jake asked you, have
you ever had a guest come on

1055
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,240
that just completely changed
your mind on something?

1056
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:38,040
Ah, shit, I don't know.
I mean my mind, I mean, just

1057
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,600
made me kind of think more about
different subjects, I guess.

1058
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,160
I can't think of anything where
I was like, oh, I believe the

1059
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,680
accent.
And then this guy came on and

1060
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,280
convinced me of why, you know
what I mean?

1061
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,160
Like like I was joking around
with the song of the show the

1062
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,160
other night.
It was like, I did do a show

1063
00:53:54,160 --> 00:54:00,200
that was about this guy believes
that his whole shtick was that

1064
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,960
meat horses eat meat.
And it's like he had all these

1065
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:09,160
cases of meat eating horses and,
and I suppose that changed my

1066
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,280
mind because I just, but I
hadn't really even considered

1067
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,280
it.
So it's more just like, oh, I,

1068
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,880
you know, I just thought that
they ate regular grain and shit.

1069
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,600
But apparently he's like, you
know, they also eat meat.

1070
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,800
And, you know, he argued for the
case and why, you know, the

1071
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,360
powers that be don't want you to
know this for, like, why

1072
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,600
exactly?
I don't know.

1073
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,760
But it's.
Yeah.

1074
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,800
So that, that was kind of one of
the more odd questions or guests

1075
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,080
that that I had that I was like,
OK, well, I never really thought

1076
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,280
about it.
I even said that on the show.

1077
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,200
I'm like, well, you kind of
convinced me, dude, 'cause I

1078
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,240
don't, I didn't really have a
take on it originally.

1079
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:49,360
I'm not super like, oh fuck you,
fuck you.

1080
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,960
Where you get off that?
Horses.

1081
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,280
Could eat meat like apparently
people reacted to that like that

1082
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,720
way not on with the show, but
just like with to this guy.

1083
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:01,760
So it's like, no, I mean, if
you're all right, if you say so,

1084
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,840
dude, I mean, so it makes sense
to me if you have all these

1085
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,920
incident reports and cases and
shit of horses eating or biting

1086
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,080
people and sort of taking chunks
out of them eating animals and

1087
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,680
shit.
So I had.

1088
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,080
My high school, we had a, we had
an AG program because it's

1089
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,480
California, right?
A lot of agriculture over there.

1090
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,840
And I had a buddy that was
raising a a Black Angus steer

1091
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,680
and he fed it beef jerky once a
week.

1092
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,120
I watched him do it and I he's
like, kind of messed up, huh?

1093
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,560
I was like, yeah, kind of.
I did right, too.

1094
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:39,600
I was like, all right, dude, OK.
It's fucking messed up, man.

1095
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,000
So you got any projects coming
up?

1096
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,200
Yes and no.
We got put in all of America.

1097
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:55,440
Obviously show's going to keep
going for a while at Banal of

1098
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,480
America, YouTube, Spotify,
Apple, all that.

1099
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,080
Just been in Banal of America,
obviously coast to coast.

1100
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,400
I got a few trips in the works.
The big one I should plug is

1101
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,200
Strange Realities conference
that'll be in Nashville in

1102
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,440
November so people can check
that out.

1103
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,280
I couldn't tell you what I'm
going to be speaking about, but

1104
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,320
if it, if you're looking for a
good time, this is, you know,

1105
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,560
it's kind of like we're, we've
been turning it into like the

1106
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,200
paranormal party of the year.
So we're hoping more people come

1107
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,440
this year too.
But it's like me, Steve Burr,

1108
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,920
Josh Cutchin, the folks from the
conspiratorial podcast or the

1109
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,280
folks who put on the event.
It's it's Nashville, baby.

1110
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,480
It's it's, you know, the whole
vibe is, is sort of like you get

1111
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,600
that vibe from the event super
low key.

1112
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:51,400
Tell the recording studio in
Nashville and you can you get

1113
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,240
it, It's BYOB essentially you
bring your beers.

1114
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,560
There's a fridge in the back.
It's just super laid back.

1115
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,400
We're talking about maybe
grilling this year, which would

1116
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,200
be fucking really cool If we can
get that via the thumbs up on

1117
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,600
that.
We we might be doing some

1118
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,720
grilling.
So it's like a, it's like a

1119
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,920
paranormal conference meets a
little bit of a tailgate party

1120
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,680
meets kind of like a little
hootenanny kind of Nashvillian,

1121
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,560
you know, scene.
So I highly recommend it.

1122
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,920
I've had a blast every year.
People have a blast all the

1123
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,640
time.
Every year.

1124
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,040
They come, we hang out in the
parking lot like like at the

1125
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,920
hotel late till late at night
till they pretty much are like,

1126
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,440
you guys got to get out of here
or something.

1127
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,840
So it's, it's a, it's a huge,
it's a huge gathering and it's

1128
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:43,440
really kind of very just hang
centric more than anything.

1129
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,680
It's like the presentations are
great and awesome and

1130
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,240
everything, but the really
there's a lot of downtime where

1131
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:54,200
people can do cool shit.
So it's last year with the folks

1132
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:59,240
of us who stayed past to Sunday
that night, maybe like 20 of us,

1133
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,440
most of the speakers, good
amount of the attendees, anyone

1134
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:03,840
who really kind of had heard
about it.

1135
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,360
Well, went out to the Bell Witch
Cave and did like a whole walk

1136
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,760
through of the Bell Witch Cave
at night, which was really

1137
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:11,960
awesome.
Yeah.

1138
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,200
And it was surreal, 'cause I'm
in there with some of my best

1139
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,040
friends and some of these
various people from the

1140
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,680
paranormal kids are so weird,
'cause I talk to them on the

1141
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:20,440
phone all the time.
It's up.

1142
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,680
And here we are.
It's me and Berg and Koch and

1143
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:28,960
Adam Sane and and Kiki
Dombrowski and recluse Steven

1144
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,720
Snyder.
We're all down in the fucking

1145
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,440
Bell Witch Cave wandering around
and and getting creeped out and

1146
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,160
shit.
And it was it was awesome.

1147
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,160
So that's I can't say I'm
staying through Sunday again

1148
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,080
this year.
If if there's a groundswell,

1149
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,640
maybe we'll do another trip up
to the Belle witch cave.

1150
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,440
But either way, people to come.
They can go to the fucking Belle

1151
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,520
witch cave.
I'm an hour from Nashville.

1152
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,080
They maybe do a night tours that
that weekend.

1153
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,120
So strange
realitiesconference.com check it

1154
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,800
out and Nah, that's about it for
me really.

1155
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:06,000
I'll be up in Whitehall hanging
out at the end of September for

1156
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:12,120
their Bigfoot conference and
I'll be I'm just hanging out.

1157
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,680
I'm not a part of it.
I just go I'm a huge booster of

1158
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,880
it.
So and then the folks at

1159
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:22,000
Paranormal 5 are putting on a
ghost hunt that night at

1160
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,440
unaffiliated with the
conference.

1161
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,160
It's a great thing of timing.
About an hour away near the city

1162
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,000
in Vermont.
We're always staying Rutland.

1163
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,560
I don't know, you know,
Brattleboro maybe, you know,

1164
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,120
Rutland.
So I stay in Rutland.

1165
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,320
I drive out to Whitehall, which
is half hour away.

1166
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,520
I go to the festival.
I'm coming back and I'm doing

1167
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,680
the ghost hunt.
And anyone can fucking do that.

1168
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,800
Because like I said, I'm not a
feeling like no one's paying me

1169
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,160
that.
I'm buying tickets to these

1170
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,480
things.
The the Whitehall Festival's

1171
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,400
free.
So it's that's fine.

1172
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,040
But it's like, yeah.
So, you know, go check out

1173
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,400
Paranormal 5I forget Wilson
Castle ghost hunt if you're, if

1174
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,720
you're in the area, if you're
going to go out to the Whitehall

1175
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,600
event, go to the fucking
haunting afterwards 'cause it'll

1176
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,160
the ghost hunt 'cause it'll be
cool.

1177
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,000
So that's it.
But now the show's back, it's

1178
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,800
been back for like 8 months
starting to like think of like

1179
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,440
it's been revived essentially.
So now it's kind of like, OK,

1180
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,880
what, what do you, what do I
want to do next?

1181
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,440
Where do I want to take this to
a different level?

1182
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,080
Now that I've been sort of doing
this for six to eight months, so

1183
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,640
that I'm kind of, but I can't
say anything for sure right now.

1184
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,800
That's it's been percolating in
my mind lately.

1185
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,960
Like, all right, where, where am
I going to take this next to the

1186
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,920
next level?
So, yeah, something we'll

1187
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,640
probably have somebody who's in
that regard, like maybe at the

1188
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:39,760
end of the summer or something
like that.

1189
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,640
I have no idea.
But and, and Coast to Coast AM,

1190
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,040
of course, is the website where
you can find all the articles

1191
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:50,240
that I write every day.
So yeah, lots of stuff from

1192
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,360
Bernal.
That's so fucking cool.

1193
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,680
I mean, like, like, like you
said, coast to coast was my

1194
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,720
gateway drug to all this shit.
I mean it's.

1195
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,440
Fantastic, man.
It's an institution.

1196
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,720
I I love the place.
Love.

1197
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,520
Huge fan of George Nori, just
such a such a fucking awesome

1198
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,680
guy.
Connie Willis is good.

1199
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,560
You know, any, anybody that they
have in there is just fucking

1200
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:19,960
phenomenal right now to kind of
dig into some of your, your,

1201
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,720
your, your past explorations, if
you will.

1202
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,680
You know, long time listeners in
the infant rabbit hole.

1203
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:31,200
We jumped into the Berkshire UFO
incident and you actually went

1204
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,200
and did some research into the
Bridgewater Triangle.

1205
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,400
How was that?
Yeah, yeah, a long time ago.

1206
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,480
A long, long time ago.
That was like 15 years ago.

1207
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,080
I went with Chris Belzano.
I don't know if you know that

1208
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,120
that his name, but he wrote Dark
Woods about the Freetown State

1209
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,800
Forest.
He used to live up here.

1210
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,560
He ended up moving down to
Florida like shit, maybe over a

1211
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:03,520
decade ago, probably now.
And we we went, it's a difficult

1212
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,840
place to explore the Bridgewater
Triangle.

1213
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,320
It's I'm not a huge fan, to be
quite honest.

1214
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:13,440
It's kind of like it's a whole
amalgamation of stories like

1215
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,440
when people come to visit me and
they like if they go, oh, I want

1216
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,680
to see the Bridgewater Triangle,
I'm like, no, no, no, you know,

1217
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,280
it's it's like just a giant
swamp.

1218
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:27,800
It's a it's a one place is like
a, a horse race track that

1219
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,120
somebody saw a Black Panther
once.

1220
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,920
There's some Native American
stuff there that's like in

1221
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,400
Freetown State Forest.
Like you can walk in there and

1222
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,120
kind of check it out, but it's
like this really.

1223
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,320
It's all spread out and it's all
anecdotal, sort of like tails.

1224
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,480
So if somebody comes to visit
and you're like, let's go, you

1225
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,560
know, you take him and this is
the racetrack where the guy saw

1226
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,040
the thing.
It's like it can get kind of.

1227
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:56,160
But anyway, so we did do that.
Chris took me out to show me.

1228
01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:02,880
But the odd part was is that we,
we we're like out in the field

1229
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,520
and there's a dirt Rd. run down
the field and he went to try a

1230
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,280
three-point turn on the field
and fucking like got his car

1231
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,440
stuck.
So we were like stuck in this

1232
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:18,000
field in Bridgewater Triangle
for like 2 hours while he waited

1233
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:23,640
for, while he waited for AAA to
come and like yank his car out

1234
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,400
of the out of the off the road.
You know, he fucked up the turn.

1235
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,400
I think that's what.
But Don, he'd been refreshing my

1236
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,920
memory if he was here, but I
think that so it's just a

1237
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,360
nightmare.
It was kind of like, and to me

1238
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,680
it was like, all right, maybe
that's that was kind of, I was

1239
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,320
writing an article for the Coast
to coast.

1240
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,600
They had a newsletter at the
time, like a magazine.

1241
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,400
So I was writing a article for
their magazine about the British

1242
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,200
Water Triangle.
That was the whole point of

1243
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,080
driving down there with Chris.
And so it kind of was that was,

1244
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,240
I don't know.
It's I guess in one way it's

1245
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,560
like, oh, you're just trying to
make it sound interesting in a

1246
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,320
way, like like you just try to
like, but maybe it part of me

1247
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,800
was just like, that's maybe
that's the fucking weirdness of

1248
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:05,840
it.
Maybe that was it.

1249
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,160
Like I was trying to, I was
trying to like look around this

1250
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,480
place and get to the bottom of
it to write about it for a

1251
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,360
magazine.
And it was like, no, that's not

1252
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,320
fucking happening.
So you're you're going to just

1253
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,960
stay here in the dirt Rd. for a
while, not see like half the

1254
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,760
shit you were going to check
out.

1255
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,360
So it's it was kind of weird,
you know what I mean?

1256
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:31,400
It was just kind of weird.
Like don't often find myself in

1257
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,760
situations where the car breaks
down kind of things and I'm

1258
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,360
stuck for a long time.
Like in that regard, some

1259
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,160
unexpected situations like that.
So, yeah, but that was the, that

1260
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,640
was my Bridgewater Triangle
exploration.

1261
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,200
It's a little bit South of me.
It's about 90 minutes, SI mean

1262
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,800
hour or so.
Yeah.

1263
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,040
So it's not too, it's more of a
pain in the ass for me to kind

1264
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,520
of go down there.
I don't drive all that much.

1265
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,720
So I fucking have to organize,
you know, orchestrate these

1266
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,280
things.
But I'm more of a, I'm more of a

1267
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,960
America's Stonehenge fan because
that's about 1/2 hour north of

1268
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,760
me.
I'm also a huge like kind of, I

1269
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,880
like it as our roadside
attraction, but it's not really

1270
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,880
particularly like thrilling
because I've been there like a

1271
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,200
million times.
So it's like, you know, but if

1272
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,440
someone comes to visit, that's
where I generally take them

1273
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:24,680
because.
That's red.

1274
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,680
Right on, man.
It's got at least kind of a

1275
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,160
weird it was been on In Search
of a long time ago I guess.

1276
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:35,840
So it sure was last one, man Oak
Island.

1277
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,960
Oh, I love Oak Island.
Do you find all this old shit?

1278
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,680
Yeah.
How'd you find all this old shit

1279
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,600
that I did?
That's pretty awesome.

1280
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,200
I can't give away my sources.
No, I'm just kidding, Google.

1281
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,960
You must have found.
An old.

1282
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,040
Found an old bio that I had
written a long time ago.

1283
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,840
Yeah.
So I, I've been on Oak Island,

1284
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:03,720
I've explored Oak Island.
I was lucky enough this was also

1285
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,800
very long ago.
Like you're bringing up a lot of

1286
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,800
deep cut shit that was like from
2000 and like 567.

1287
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,720
This was 2007 that I went up
there.

1288
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,320
So now we're that's 15 years
ago.

1289
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:19,800
So I went up to Nova Scotia to
visit my friend, film maker Paul

1290
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,240
Kimball.
He's a, he's ATV ghost hunter

1291
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,080
now.
Actually he started a UFO.

1292
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,840
So now he's a TV ghost hunter,
so I'm sure he'll appreciate

1293
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:33,960
your your teeth, Jake.
Anyway, it just so happens very

1294
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,680
lucky kind of turn of events.
This guy the opposite of the

1295
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,920
bourgeois triangle thing.
I don't even know if I knew this

1296
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,560
was happening the weekend I was
up there.

1297
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:47,280
But as as it happened, it was a
oh, it did because Paul, I

1298
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,160
think, was speaking there or
filming something.

1299
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:54,560
But there was like Oak Island
conference and it was held like

1300
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:59,720
at the town next to Oak Island
and there's AI don't know what

1301
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,960
you call it a breezeway.
I don't know what what's it

1302
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,160
called this?
The like a man made Rd. out to

1303
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,360
an island, a bridge.
I guess I thought there was a

1304
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,920
more technical term for it.
Like like a dirt Rd.

1305
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,960
Like it was like a dirt like
somehow they had just dumped a

1306
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,800
bunch of dirt to get out.
To Oh yeah.

1307
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,440
Do you know what I'm saying?
It's just kind.

1308
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,160
Of weather or something?
When I when I was stationed in

1309
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,480
Pax River, we went down to Key
West and there was, there's a

1310
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,440
couple of those down there.
Right.

1311
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,720
You got to say I don't know what
they're called.

1312
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,320
They must have.
They have a I'm sure they have

1313
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,280
some.
Yeah, but bridge is perfectly

1314
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,280
fine.
It's more accurate.

1315
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,120
So there is a road bridge like
that goes out to Rock Island.

1316
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:44,280
Now you can't go there at the
time, but for this weekend, this

1317
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,640
is the lucky break of it all.
So it was like if I had been

1318
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,600
gone up to can, if you gone up
to can any other time you

1319
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:50,840
couldn't you could drive out
there.

1320
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,120
But I think they were like it's
before the TV show.

1321
01:07:54,120 --> 01:08:00,760
So they were the Laganas had
just bought Oak Island and so

1322
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,320
this was way before they even
thought of doing ATV show.

1323
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,920
They this was like right after
they bought it.

1324
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,280
I think this, I don't know if it
was they're doing the, the

1325
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,840
conference, but it was really a
small low key little Canadian

1326
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,279
town, maybe like 50 people at
the thing.

1327
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,800
It was awesome.
It was very informative or

1328
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,040
unique experience.
Then you could go out to Oak

1329
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,800
Island on, you know, with
unfettered not, you know,

1330
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,399
allowed.
You were allowed 'cause

1331
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:29,920
otherwise, I don't know, I think
they would call the cops or like

1332
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,279
maybe the gate was to the island
was probably locked.

1333
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:34,800
I think maybe so you couldn't
drive out there.

1334
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,160
Yeah, there was a gate and
everything, so you're a lot out

1335
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:39,600
there.
So we went out there and like,

1336
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,920
looked around, saw.
Oh, and we could, we could.

1337
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,560
I don't know how familiar you
are with the story, but we could

1338
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,960
follow up this in years.
But there's a pit.

1339
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,439
Yeah.
Where people died and shit and

1340
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,120
and you.
A pic in that that can never be

1341
01:08:55,319 --> 01:09:00,359
completely excavated.
And you could go up and look

1342
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,760
down into the pit.
So it was a real, now that I

1343
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,800
think about it, it was really
kind of like a once in a

1344
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,479
lifetime experience.
Because then shortly thereafter,

1345
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:14,040
I met the Laganas at a hotel.
We went to the nearby hotel to

1346
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,840
get a drink after and we were
just sitting on the patio and

1347
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,640
they were out there.
I just like they weren't

1348
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:20,800
celebrities or anything like
that.

1349
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,040
They were just like a bunch of
rich guys from Michigan who had

1350
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,359
bought, who had just bought Oak
Island.

1351
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:26,840
So I just said, hey, you know,
Congrats and everything.

1352
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:31,960
And you know, I, it's just sort
of a real short friendly

1353
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,520
conversation, but nothing like
nothing of, of substance.

1354
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,200
So don't worry, Jake.
Next thing I know, a few years

1355
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,439
later, seven or eight years
later, I see they they started

1356
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,080
ATV show.
So I don't watch the TV show.

1357
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,840
I don't really, you know.
Is that still going?

1358
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,000
I believe it is.
Really.

1359
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,000
It's it's been on for a while
then.

1360
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,640
Yeah, I think they're starting
to like stretch it out now where

1361
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,880
they do a new season like every
two years or something like

1362
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,160
that, but I don't know.
But I'm pretty sure it's still

1363
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,600
on.
And I think they're probably up

1364
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,720
to like season eight or nine or
something like that.

1365
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,520
So it's kind of one of those
it's like Bigfoot hunters.

1366
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,200
It's like hunt for the
skinwalker.

1367
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,280
It's like.
Or skinwalk, whatever.

1368
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:15,400
Is that the Skinwalker Ranch
show?

1369
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,880
I don't know but.
My wife is obsessed with that.

1370
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:21,960
Yeah, but they're all kind of
the same.

1371
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,120
And it's like the Oak Island and
the Skinwalker show, I'm pretty

1372
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,120
sure from the same production
company even.

1373
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,200
So it's just kind of like, it's
very, people love them, they're

1374
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,000
great, they're really popular
shows.

1375
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,040
But it's just like you can kind
of clearly tell they're

1376
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:38,800
entertainment or something
because it's like you're never,

1377
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,600
you never get.
You always just get a little,

1378
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,640
like, you're always like, get a
little bit closer, but it

1379
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,200
doesn't quite pan out.
And then the episode ends like,

1380
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,200
you know.
What I mean at least someone on

1381
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,880
there that demands he gets
called a ridiculous nickname

1382
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,040
like Dragon.
Yeah, yeah.

1383
01:10:55,280 --> 01:11:00,080
Panther.
Yeah, so that was my visit to

1384
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,000
Oak Island.
It was.

1385
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,560
Yeah.
It was cool.

1386
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,720
It was a cool, really cool
experience.

1387
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,760
Like I said, I hadn't thought of
in a long, long time.

1388
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:11,880
I think I watched that like
maybe first couple episodes and

1389
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,960
it just, it lost me.
I, I like the, the lore and

1390
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,040
everything behind it.
I like the like I looked into

1391
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,760
the science and, and stuff about
that pit and how it can never

1392
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,000
be, you know, excavated and how
there's supposed to be something

1393
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,160
underneath there.
But we'll never know because it

1394
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:31,240
just the way that the, the
geology of, of that island is

1395
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:35,040
just keeps getting filled up
with water because of the, the

1396
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,760
water line and everything.
Not very interesting stuff, man.

1397
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,240
Let's see now that's I, Tim.
I think that's it, man.

1398
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,040
All right.
Wow, Jake.

1399
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,520
You got anything?
No, but this has been a sick

1400
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,240
interview.
Thank you.

1401
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,800
Yeah.
No, man, I really do appreciate

1402
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,680
you.
You want to go ahead and tell

1403
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:02,240
everybody where they can.
Yeah, I feel like I did the

1404
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,720
whole plug thing earlier, but
I'll do a quick one now.

1405
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:10,560
But All America, BINNALL
ofamerica.com or just punch in

1406
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,880
Benall, BINNALL of America on
Google or whatever.

1407
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,320
You'll find my stuff.
Coast to Coast AM is the

1408
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:22,480
obviously the coast to coast
websites, coasttocoastam.com.

1409
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,920
You can find all my articles
there under Articles.

1410
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,280
They all have my byline on them
and everything.

1411
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,920
Be sure to check those out.
Because I said, like I said,

1412
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:35,400
really trying to get into the
weirdly weird obscure stuff over

1413
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:36,960
there.
It's fun because I like, because

1414
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,240
I'll post something then like
two or three days later I'll see

1415
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,560
it pop up at like four other
news sites I go to for weird

1416
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:46,800
news and I'm like, oh, I wonder
where you found that Malaysian

1417
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,400
Banshee story there?
Fucking weird news central.

1418
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:55,240
Like I just stumble upon that
that's crazy story that fucking

1419
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:59,360
is only available in in
Malaysian language that you have

1420
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,520
to, you know, run through Google
Translate to figure out and

1421
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,280
everything.
But yeah, check it out

1422
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,680
coasttocoastam.com.
But all of America is the

1423
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,600
podcast.
Strange Realities conference is

1424
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,120
the party down in Nashville.
And those are the three big

1425
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:14,320
things.
So check them out.

1426
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:15,120
Sweet.
Sweet.

1427
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:16,720
Man, thank you guys for having
me on the show.

1428
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:17,680
I really.
Appreciate it for sure.

1429
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,240
Yeah, I'm going to kill you,
man.

1430
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:20,440
It's fun.
Chatting with you, it's.

1431
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:22,800
Awesome.
Hell yeah.

1432
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,520
All right, well, that's been
another episode of the Infinite

1433
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,560
Rabbit Hole podcast.
Until next time, travellers,

1434
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,720
we'll see you the next fork in
the path of the Infinite Rabbit

1435
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,440
Hole.
Take it easy.

1436
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:34,720
Bye.