146. Ape Canyon (3-Year Anniversary)

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Imagine that this line
represents a time present 1985.

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Future Past.
Prior to this point in time,

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somewhere in the past, the
timeline skewed into this

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tangent, creating an alternate
1985.

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Alternate to You need Einstein,
Fucker, Reality, everyone.

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Else, welcome back to the
Infinite Rabbit Hole Podcast.

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I'm your host, Jeremy.
Today we celebrate our third

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birthday.
Happy birthday, Jake.

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We're three.
We're three.

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We're toddlers now.
Oh, nice.

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Cute little toddlers.
Out of the terrible two phase,

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we were punching people in the
face.

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Yeah, if we were biting and.
Screaming now.

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Oh man, it was.
It was bad.

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Real bad.
We made friends, and then we

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made not friends and we made
enemies, and then we made

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frenemies.
Yeah.

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All this stuff.
So yeah, three years.

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That's that's pretty cool.
That's it.

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Most podcasts quit after the 1st
10 episodes. 7.

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Seven episodes.
I've quit twice.

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Yeah, now everything's
everything's a little bit more

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laid back.
Now we're just rolling with the

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punches.
And as the listeners will will

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know soon, there will be times
where we take a week or two off.

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It just happens.
Man, you keep having me on this

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show.
I feel like you're about to make

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me start crawling on back.
You're like, come on Jake,

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Crawl, crawl back.
Well, it's up to you whether or

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not you want to talk about that,
but I'll just leave that up

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there.
You'll have to interrupt if you

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do.
Yeah.

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So giving you some time.
OK.

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All right.
You heard it here, buddy.

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We're going to wing it.
Jake's not coming back.

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Ever.
Even if you hear an episode of

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mine, it's not because I'm back,
it's because I'm temping.

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Hire them over temp agency.
Could you imagine?

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It's like you got a substitute
teacher cuz your your main

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teacher like broke all of their
limbs.

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Yeah, and it's the same
substitute for years and years

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and years, to the point where
you're like, this might be just

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the teacher now.
And it's like, no, no, I'm the

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substitute.
Yeah, so the topic for the night

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Man, 8th Canyon.
Ooh, I've been waiting for you

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to do this for three years.
It's been a while.

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It's kind of ridiculous because
I feel like every time we do one

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of these topics from a long time
ago, we always bring up.

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This was supposed to be one of
the first topics we ever did,

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and everyone's like, wow, there
was a lot of first topics.

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Well, they're good topics.
They were good topics and this

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is a good topic.
Well.

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That's what I'm saying.
It's all those ones that we

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didn't do.
It's because the research was

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inadequate or the timing was
inadequate.

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But they're really good topics.
So it's like, you know?

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Plus, I'm happy that we waited,
because the first episode

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sucked.
They were terrible.

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Yeah, they're awful.
They'll never see the light of

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the day.
No, not never.

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Unless you want to pay $2.99 to
anchor or Spotify for podcasters

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and then you can listen to all
of them.

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It's that's completely up to
you.

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I say that because I wish that
we had waited on some of those

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topics and we're going to redo
them eventually because they

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deserve.
More respect than what they got,

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but we had to grow on something,
right?

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Luckily, a Canyon was not one of
them, because I can do it right

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this time.
You know, I have all of the

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original test recordings.
How funny it would be if we just

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dropped one of those as an
episode and just us just

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mumbling nonsense for 25
minutes.

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We lose all the followers.
I started keeping little clips

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of like goofs.
Yeah, I I have a folder in my

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computer just just called the
goof folder, and whenever I get

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like an hour's worth of goofs,
I'm just going to drop it.

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It'll be funny.
We're just spreading

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misinformation.
It's like, wait, take that out

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and just put big old reel bill
track.

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Yeah, all right.
So before we kick off though, I

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do have to ask for a birthday
wish today since we are

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celebrating 3 years of existence
on this planet.

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As the host of the Infinite
Rabbit Hole podcast.

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When we were reborn.
Let us re re reintroduce

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ourselves.
No.

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Oh gosh, no.
I'm out.

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Goodbye.
No, we're not doing that stupid

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shit again.
If I could ask for anything from

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the listeners, if you guys could
just drop a review and and a

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rating.
It's been a long time since we

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got any ratings or reviews,
especially reviews sometimes.

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Feel like we're just throwing
this the stuff out into the

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nether and it just gets lost.
I know people listen to it.

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We have thousands of you that
show up every single week to

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listen to the show and we have
like 8 reviews.

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I'm.
Gonna have to start making some

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more fake names.
Give me a good one.

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Leo.
Darvin We'll put a 5 star review

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from Darvin.
Leo Smith, the 15th.

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That guy totally exists.
Yeah, he totally doesn't exist.

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All right, man.
Well, we're gonna jump right in.

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This topic isn't very long.
I mean, it's a it's a story.

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It's a it's an experience that a
few gentlemen had out in the

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middle of nowhere a long time
ago with some upright walking

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creatures that were a little
pissed off in the middle of the

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woods.
That's the whole story.

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That's pretty much it.
All right.

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Tell me your story, story man.
Have you heard this one before?

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Yes, but I didn't do any digging
because I knew it was something

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that you wanted.
And when you were first talking

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about it, it was when we had the
whole gang.

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So it's like, well, I can't be
reading up into everything that

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you want to talk about, because
otherwise there's no surprises.

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True.
True.

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And I'm lazy, so maybe that was
played a part.

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This this topic has been beaten.
History Channel, National

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Geographics, Discovery, every
single podcast that's out there.

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Magazines, books, everything is
covered 8 Canyon, so we're just

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going to literally do it too.
Yeah, there's nothing else we

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can do but beat that dead horse
right back into the earth.

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Hopefully the people who are
listening to this don't read

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books because that's where I got
my information.

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Hopefully you're a bunch of
illiterate fools.

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Fingers crossed.
So yeah, I mean, there's some

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stuff that.
Doesn't really show up on a lot

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of the documentaries that people
will see, especially when we

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start talking about the
gentleman who wrote a booklet on

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his experience in Ape Canyon.
Haven't really seen that other

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than in a few books.
So hopefully that's all new

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information, everybody.
Without further ado, Jacob.

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You ready, man?
Ready.

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All right, let's do this, Ape
Canyon.

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In July of 1924, a group of
prospectors at the base of Mount

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Saint Helen's eastern side had a
run in with what they referred

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to as a group of Mountain Devils
and Gorilla Men that would not

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only create one of the biggest
mysteries in the world of

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Bigfoot lore, but as a byproduct
would give this specific area

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its name, Ape Canyon.
In the July 12th 1924 edition of

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The Oregonian newspaper, the
article would explain that the

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attack on the men was not the
first run in with these large

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mountain gorillas of Mount Saint
Helens.

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A man that the article refers to
as Smith reported seeing human

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like footprints which made large
trackways throughout many areas

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of the mountain and its
surrounding landscape.

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The thing that was really eye
popping about these prints.

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Was the enormous size.
The article will go on to

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describe the quote UN quote
devils as standing 7 feet tall,

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weighing roughly 400 pounds, and
leaving Prince 13 to 14 inches

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long in their wake.
This is since proven to be

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smaller than the average report
of these creatures in the area.

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As time has passed, the most
commonly heard retelling of the

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story is simple.
The men were in an unnamed

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Canyon, far from civilization.
On the eastern side of Mount

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Saint Helens, painting for gold,
the men began seeing strange

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footprints around the area, and
a few members believe that it is

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one of the others that may be
messing around.

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That changes once one of the
prospectors, a man by the name

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of Fred Beck, shoots a huge ape
man.

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Not long after, the cabin that
the men built became the target

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of many rocks varying in sizes
from small to rather large.

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Being thrown at the cabin in the
middle of the night as the men

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were trying to sleep.
The onslaught continued for a

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long time and one ballsy
Sasquatch even stuck an arm

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inside the cabin, apparently
trying to grab an axe or one of

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the men.
The story has been picked apart

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and ridiculed for decades.
Explanations such as the men

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making the Prince themselves
using their hands to a group of

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teenagers being the ones that
were terrorizing the prospectors

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that night from a camp in Spirit
Lake.

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Miles away and too far for
children to be hiking out from

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in the middle of the night.
But the story that is told by

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the world famous cryptozoologist
Lauren Coleman in his book

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Bigfoot The True Story of Apes
in America, dives deeper into

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the story from the point of view
of the men being attacked in

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1918.
Five men by the names of Fred

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Beck, Marion Smith, Roy Smith,
Gabe Lafever.

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And John Peterson began an
expedition in order to prospect

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for gold.
They ended up finding a quiet,

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wide open area on the eastern
side of Mount Saint Helens that

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lay snug in the vast Canyon,
with a picturesque Creek running

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along the bottom.
A rather large sandbar in the

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middle of the Creek became the
place where the men would wash

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off their equipment dishes and
gather water for their hydration

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and cooking.
The place was perfect.

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And the men decided this is
where they were going to build a

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cabin and settle in for the long
run while prospecting away from

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their families early in the
morning on an unspecified day in

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1922, one of the men came back
to camp to grab the rest to show

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them what he had discovered down
on the sandbar.

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The men were surprised to find
two very large, humanlike

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footprints in the middle of the
sandbar that they visited every

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day.
The prints were 4 inches deep

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and seemed to have been showing
a path from their side of the

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Creek to the other, coming onto
the sandbar, taking two steps in

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its soft ground, and exiting
back into the water.

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Although this was the only track
way they found on this day, many

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more would be found in the
following days and weeks, and it

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began seeming like something
else had moved into their

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perfect home away from home.
The largest of the tracks

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eventually reported by the men
was 19 inches long.

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But the range was wide, and they
found prints running from the

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really big 19 incher down to the
size of a young teenager.

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Soon the men began hearing large
thumping sounds coming from both

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peaks of the valley, as if the
sounds were responding to each

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other.
Thoughts of their fellow

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prospector or prospectors
playing tricks on them quickly

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fled After they would hear these
sounds.

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With all parties present in
early July, a strange new sound

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would ring through the Canyon.
Along with the thumping that

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they have grown to know very
well, whistles were added and

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these sounds would continue for
just over an entire week.

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The men became unnerved and
began bringing their rifles with

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them.
Everywhere they went,

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footprints, strange sounds were
flooding the area and the

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tension in the air was
increasing.

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The stage was set for the
collapse of peace in this

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particular Canyon.
On one morning, Fred Beck and

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Marion Smith were filling their
canteens with water down at the

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Creek when suddenly Smith rose
to his feet with his rifle drawn

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and aimed directly at a large
hair covered creature standing

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on two legs by a tall pine tree
just about 100 yards away.

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As Beck was rising to his feet,
the creature walked behind the

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trunk of the tree and poked its
head out.

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Marion Smith took the
opportunity to fire off 3

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consecutive shots at the
creature, completely missing but

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shredding the tree that stood
before it.

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The creature ran away in a short
time later, another one,

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possibly the same one, was
spotted by the men about 200

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yards away from where they were
standing in a slightly different

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direction.
This time Fred Beck shot three

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times and seemed to have finally
scared it off for the time

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being.
The men were petrified and

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reported back to the cabin to
tell the others about the

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experience.
The group had enough of this and

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no longer felt safe after laying
eyes on the huge creature for

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the first time, and they all
agreed that it was time to

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leave.
But they would have to wait

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until Daybreak as leaving in the
middle of the day would not give

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them enough time to get out of
the area before sundown.

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So the men did what they could
with the daylight that they had

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and packed up camp in
preparation for the leave in the

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next morning.
All right, Jake, we're heading

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into night time, man.
What do you think?

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Okay.
So let me scroll back to it, the

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first.
Yeah, rifle drawn and aimed

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directly at the large hair
covered creature standing on two

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legs and tall pine trees about
100 yards away.

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Okay. 100 yards.
I was like, how did he miss

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three times?
Has he ever shot a rifle before?

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But this, this was also back in
what what was it, 1922, right?

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Yeah, so this.
Could have been iron sites and

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stuff.
Probably a lever action or

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something, maybe a bolt action,
I don't know.

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But yeah, I don't know.
I was just curious because.

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And then the other time when it
showed up 200 yards away, I was

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like, well, that makes sense.
But I was just like, I couldn't

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recall what the distance was and
I was like weird.

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But yeah, sorry, I'm just
reading along with you because,

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you know, I like to.
I have a DD so I'll start to

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zone out and just not remember
anything you just said.

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I don't know if this is the same
story that I I thought it was.

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I think I was thinking about
something else.

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No, I think yeah.
I mean, you still haven't got to

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the night time yet.
All the juice happens.

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Well, the next morning is pretty
crazy too.

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But the the night time is is
nuts.

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All right.
Maybe it is.

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I don't know.
I'm I'm interested in what you

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remember, but we'll get we'll
get to that later.

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All right.
Yeah.

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I'll let you know if this is
what I was thinking about.

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Maybe.
Maybe it is.

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I don't know.
I'm pretty sure though.

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All right, let's go.
Ready.

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Ready.
One bad night, at around

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midnight, the men were awoken by
a very aggressive slam on the

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side of the cabin.
Whatever it was, it was strong

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enough to send chinking from the
walls flying into the cabin.

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The loud bang was followed by
the sounds and numerous

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footfalls running around the
outside.

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All the men grabbed the rifles
and back slowly approached the

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openings left by the attack to
see if he could spot the

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culprits.
What he saw were three large

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apes standing on two legs, with
the sounds of others running all

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around on the other sides of the
cabin.

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The men frantically discussed if
they should take the chances at

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firing on the creatures, and one
of the men recommended that they

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only shoot if they had to defend
themselves, so the decision was

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made to only fire if there was a
direct attack on the cabin

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itself.
But as long as they were just

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running around, there was no
reason to waste what little ammo

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the men had.
As they were concluding their

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plans, a few rocks were heard
hitting the side and the roof of

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the cabin.
This is quickly followed up by a

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barrage of stones, rocks and
what the men referred to as

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small boulders being thrown at
their safety net.

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It was when the creatures began
physically slamming on the sides

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of the cabin and a few getting
on top and trying to jump

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through the roof.
That Beck and Smith began firing

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through the walls in the
ceiling.

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The other men were fixing a pole
from the bed frame to the door,

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as it seemed that the creatures
knew the way to enter, and the

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attack on the area of the
building was evidently a focus.

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At one point an arm was thrust
through a gap left by one of the

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many attacks and attempted to
grab at anything that it could.

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Unfortunately for the men, the
closest thing to that area of

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the cabin was an axe, so Beck
made the quick decision to grab

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it.
And Smith fired around at the

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arm, but missed.
The good thing was that even if

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it didn't hit the creature, it
retreated its arms in response

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to either the sound of the shot
or the feeling of the bullet

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smashing into the wood right
next to it.

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The attack continued all night.
There were a few intermissions

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brought on by whatever made the
creatures want to stop, but the

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downtime never lasted long, at
most only a few minutes.

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Just before the sun came up, the
attack was over.

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The men came out of the cabin
with guns drawn, still freshly

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nervous about the night that
just ensued.

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The men were acting quickly to
gather their things and begin

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the hike back out of the area.
But before the men could leave,

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Beck spotted a single creature
about 80 yards away.

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He fired three times, and there
was no telling how many of the

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shots landed, but one for sure
did as the creature buckled and

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fell over the Cliff it was on
and the men watched as it fell

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about 400 feet.
They quickly left without

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gathering all their gear.
And that afternoon, the men

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arrived at the closest Ranger
station they knew of in Spirit

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Lake, just northwest of their
camp, and reported their

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attackers to the sheriff on
station.

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Not long after, their story
leaked to the local newspaper in

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Kelso, Oregon, where the men
were from, and a small group of

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reporters hiked out to the
Canyon to attempt to find

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evidence of the men's claims.
The only evidence they found

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were a lot of large footprints.
The area that the men had their

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experience was therefore known
as.

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And officially named 8 Canyon
and has carried that moniker

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since.
All right, that is pretty much

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the story.
I don't know.

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That thing falls 400 feet.
By the time it hit the ground,

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it would literally just be a
puddle of of meat and hair.

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So at first right I was, I
thought the same thing.

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And the documentaries don't
really do a good job because for

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the longest time, people had
trouble finding where the

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location this cabin actually was
because the cabin was torn down

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shortly afterwards.
They didn't want anybody else

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going out there, so they tore it
down as a safety measure.

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And then it wasn't that the men
tore it down, this was, you

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know, the the officials.
They went out there, they tore

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it down and they hauled all the
shit out of there.

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So for the longest time it it
was this huge mystery as to

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where this stuff actually took
place.

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Eventually a group of
researchers went out there and

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found some signs of of, you
know, something being built.

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They found metal shavings,
bullet shells, I think they even

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found like a pantings pan.
I got one of those little saucer

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pans in in a general location
and matched everything.

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It had a Creek that ran down the
middle and in the location of

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this cabin there was a Cliff
right behind it and there's

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actually a picture of it.
I can try to find it real quick

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for you.
And shoot it over to you.

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But that, I mean this cabin is
basically but up to a Cliff

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right behind it.
When you start thinking of

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people telling stories, people
exaggerate a little bit.

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I don't think it was.
It was so far off to think that,

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you know, these guys actually
did take a pop shot at a Bigfoot

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and you know, it fell to its
death probably right next to the

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cabin.
I don't.

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I don't mean that.
I mean that to go back and then

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show the investigators.
What, you know, where the the

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cops or whatever, what had
happened, if they are trying to

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like point at the body and say
there it is, it could have been

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mistaken for anything that had
hair because it would have been

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just hamburger meat, blood and
fur, right.

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It's dropping 400 feet onto
granite probably just you know

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it would been like that's a bear
that has been ground up.

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So here is we'll we'll just keep
talking I'll send it out to you

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because they ended up they ended
up building a little cabin in

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there as like a memory thing
like a historical building I

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guess I I don't really know so
there is something there and the

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the picture's heading your way.
I'll try to if I remember I'll

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post this to Facebook for
anybody's listening.

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If I don't, someone say
something on the Facebook group

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and I'll post it.
Gosh, 480 yards or just 400

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yards in general is a long
distance.

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Yeah.
Well, 400 feet. 400 feet, Oh.

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400 feet, 400 feet is not as
long of a distance as 400 yards.

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It's actually only a third of
the distance.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's quite short.

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All right, never mind.
I was just going to say, I don't

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know, that's a pretty wild shot
with.

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It's like using just flintlock
muskets.

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They charged the beast.
Yeah, it was funny too, because

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you were reading it and their
decision was we're only going to

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fight back and shoot at them if
they start destroying the cabin.

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And then immediately afterwards
you said Rock started hitting

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the cabin.
I was like, all right, game on.

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Well, I love this story, so I'm
not trying to make fun of it

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whatsoever.
But this is, this reminds me of,

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like those comedy movies where
it's like, all right, man, you

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know, you have two people that
are manning up and they're,

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they're getting ready to fight
each other and like, all right,

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do that again and I'll fuck you
up.

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And then he does it again.
He's like, yeah, do it again, do

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it again, do it again, do it
again.

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You won't.
You won't.

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You won't do that again, right?
Say that to my face.

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I just sent it to your face,
bro, but you won't bet you won't

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do it again.
All right.

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Well, if they do it again, then
we'll shoot at them.

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That's right.
And who?

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Who blows holes through their
perfectly good cabin walls.

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Especially with the arm going
through, it's like arms

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generally just bend a certain
way.

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You know things coming out and
it was feeling around, which

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mean it probably wasn't just the
wrist and the hand kind of

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flopping around on the other
side of the wall is probably

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like to the elbow.
Just find center mass from there

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and just be like up probably
right there.

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Bang did.
Who knows, maybe that did

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happen.
At the same time, I have a lot

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of talk, but I would be filling
my pants with crap.

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So take listeners, take what I
say with a grain of salt because

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I've never been in the
situation.

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All I heard was some whoops and
some tree knocks and I couldn't

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even breathe.
So who am I who might have

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judged these poor people with
their terrible aim?

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Well, not a lot to the story.
That's pretty much it.

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There's a little bit more than
I'm going to go over right now,

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but this is more of background
information that this is the

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part where I I don't think a lot
of people have their hands on.

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But this comes from a very
reputable source.

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Lauren Coleman is world
renowned.

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He's probably the most famous
cryptozoologist alive right now,

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Very, very respected.
Anybody gets a chance to grab

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one of his books, Mysterious
America and then The Bigfoot

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History of Apes in America are
just absolutely fantastic.

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He does a Moth Man book where he
kind of tears apart the whole

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Mothman thing a little bit.
But for the I mean, he is just

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awesome.
He's the owner of the

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International Cryptozoology
Museum in in Maine, and I I

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reached out to him one time to
try to go on the show.

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You know what he said to me?
Says he doesn't do podcasts.

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This is new radio.
We could dress it up.

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Well, he, he said that because
there was some kind of Bigfoot

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conference going on at the time.
When I reached out to him, he

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said, are you going to be at the
conference?

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You can ask me a few questions
there and you can record it.

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And I was like, Nah, like,
thanks though.

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No, I would, I would, I would
absolutely love to to pick

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Lauren's brain.
The guy is guy's one of my

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heroes.
Love that guy.

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All right.
You ready?

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00:25:04,180 --> 00:25:09,340
Ready.
Here, have some woo at the end

454
00:25:09,340 --> 00:25:12,140
of the chapter that covers the
8th Canyon story in Lauren

455
00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:15,340
Coleman's book Bigfoot, The True
Story of Apes in America.

456
00:25:15,420 --> 00:25:19,220
Coleman describes entries from
Fred Beck's booklet that he self

457
00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:22,540
published titled I Fought the
Ape Man of Mount Saint Helens,

458
00:25:22,540 --> 00:25:25,020
Washington.
Fred being the storyteller and

459
00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:29,020
his son known as RA being the
writer and editor of the piece.

460
00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:32,090
These entries are where many
have come to draw the line about

461
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:35,330
Fred Beck and the entire 8
Canyon onslaught as it contains

462
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:38,250
an insight on Beck and his
beliefs in the supernatural and

463
00:25:38,250 --> 00:25:41,210
the paranormal.
Side note, this is not my

464
00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:44,450
personal belief on the story of
Eight Canyon, I'm simply just

465
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:47,330
reporting it.
Fred Beck describes in his

466
00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:50,610
booklet that throughout his life
he has been guided by two

467
00:25:50,610 --> 00:25:54,170
spirits through a psychic link
of sorts, the first being a

468
00:25:54,210 --> 00:25:58,560
buckskin clad Indian, any other
being a woman that he refers to

469
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,720
as Vander White.
Another side note, the men would

470
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,120
come to call the mind that they
were prospecting Vander White

471
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,640
after Beck made the claim that
it was her that led them to the

472
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,040
prosperous area.
Beck would go on to describe how

473
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,400
it was his belief that the quote
UN quote 8 men were not of this

474
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,600
world and that he was conscious
enough throughout the experience

475
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,840
to recognize them as
supernatural beings.

476
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,200
It was his belief that the
creatures came from another

477
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,360
dimension and were a
supernatural link between

478
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,280
mankind and animal
consciousness.

479
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,600
Now before anyone jumps ship and
claims hoax, I need to point out

480
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,680
a few things first.
One like I said before, Fred's

481
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,400
son wrote the booklet 2.
In every interview that was held

482
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,800
with Fred Beck before the
release of this booklet, he had

483
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,320
never once mentioned anything
about psychic connections with

484
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,520
spirits or a supernatural aspect
to the creatures that attacked

485
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,270
the cabin.
And three, even if he did claim

486
00:26:53,270 --> 00:26:56,550
there was a supernatural aspect
to the affair, these men left

487
00:26:56,550 --> 00:27:00,270
hundreds of dollars worth of
equipment in an entire cabin in

488
00:27:00,270 --> 00:27:02,750
a time that money and equipment
were hard to come by.

489
00:27:03,310 --> 00:27:06,550
So in my mind, there might be
something here, and the booklet

490
00:27:06,550 --> 00:27:09,590
may have more of his son's
beliefs in the subject than his

491
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:12,070
own story.
Just my opinion has a

492
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:15,870
possibility, but Lauren Coleman
stated a few other things that

493
00:27:15,870 --> 00:27:18,230
may sway a few.
Back to the hoax side of the

494
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:22,480
fence in this book, he pointed
out that in the original 1924

495
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,840
account that Beck gave during an
interview for a newspaper, the

496
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,000
footprints that were left at the
scene had four toes.

497
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,760
This has since been changed
throughout the years, and in his

498
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,120
more recent recalling of the
story, the prints have upgraded

499
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:39,120
to five toad prints.
One thing to keep in mind is

500
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,160
that reporters will sometimes
alter the points given to them

501
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,080
to create more compelling
stories.

502
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,240
Not that I think that happened
here, but it's something that

503
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,190
you need to consider.
Something that was pointed out

504
00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:54,310
to Coleman by researcher Mark A.
Hall was that also when telling

505
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:57,790
the story for the first few
years, the creatures that Beck

506
00:27:57,790 --> 00:28:01,470
described were smaller than the
8 foot hairy ape with a 19 inch

507
00:28:01,470 --> 00:28:04,190
foot more.
Modern reports of Sasquatch are

508
00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:07,710
commonly filled with larger
beings ranging from 7 to 10 foot

509
00:28:07,710 --> 00:28:10,110
tall or even higher in some
cases.

510
00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:13,910
A question arises here.
Did he alter his story to match

511
00:28:13,910 --> 00:28:17,920
what is more commonly reported?
Now let's not get all hung up on

512
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,120
all the negatives and Marion
Places book on the track of

513
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,000
Bigfoot.
She explains that there have

514
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,560
been Sasquatch sightings in the
area of Mount Saint Helens for

515
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,880
at least a century and the book
she made the statement in was

516
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,580
published in 1974.
She explains that the local

517
00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:35,540
natives of the area considered
Spirit Lake and its surrounding

518
00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:38,780
area to be a place believed to
be the home of evil spirits

519
00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:42,420
known as Sea Atcos or solatics.
I personally like to put weight

520
00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:45,340
in the fact that natives have
many stories of what we now

521
00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:47,060
refer to as Bigfoot or
Sasquatch.

522
00:28:47,420 --> 00:28:50,820
With that being said, the sheer
amount of sightings, pictures,

523
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:53,660
disappearances, prints and
recordings that come from the

524
00:28:53,660 --> 00:28:57,220
area is astounding.
Washington State in a hole is

525
00:28:57,220 --> 00:28:59,820
well known as number one place
in the US to seek out the

526
00:28:59,820 --> 00:29:02,980
creature, with the area of 8
Canyon and the places that

527
00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:05,100
surrounding it being the most
active.

528
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:08,460
So that's it Jake.
That's all I have man, 100%.

529
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:11,260
Time to plan a trip to 8 Canyon,
Bro.

530
00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:15,380
That would be cool.
Add it to our list of trips.

531
00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:17,020
That'd be really.
Yeah, that will never do.

532
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:20,580
Man, I'm glad that you cleared
that up cuz I was like Fredbeck

533
00:29:20,580 --> 00:29:25,780
is a nut bag.
I can't get my hand on any

534
00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:27,580
interviews that that he was a
part of.

535
00:29:27,580 --> 00:29:31,700
I mean this was so so long ago
where he was giving first hand

536
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:37,020
experience or early experience
descriptions of this entire

537
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:39,700
event.
So it's it's really hard to

538
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:47,340
confirm any of this stuff.
You know, I I don't know, I I

539
00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:50,260
lean into Lauren Coleman's
research quite a bit.

540
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,840
He's somebody that I trust
within the realm of the

541
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,240
cryptozoology and supernatural
and and whatnot.

542
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,040
So I I don't know maybe I'm
maybe I'll play favorites here.

543
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,840
But when he says something I I
tend to believe that he's done

544
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,920
his research.
I don't trust a lot of people.

545
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,400
I like to take one book and
compare it to another book and

546
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,300
kind of report on something in
the middle, a little bit of

547
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:18,940
here, a little bit of there.
But when Lauren Coleman reports

548
00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:21,740
on something, I mean, that's
pretty much concrete for me.

549
00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:27,700
So if he's saying that the
interviews and everything were

550
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:31,100
pretty normal, you know, and
there were no supernatural

551
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:35,220
aspects to it and he said that,
you know, because I from what I

552
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:39,300
understand, he Beck didn't even
really know how to rewrite,

553
00:30:39,780 --> 00:30:42,020
apparently.
That's another thing that I

554
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:44,900
read.
So he needed his son to be able

555
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:47,100
to write that book.
And it's like, yeah, dad, don't

556
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:48,620
worry.
This says everything that you

557
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:52,060
wanted to say or everything.
Yeah, you know.

558
00:30:52,260 --> 00:30:56,820
Yeah, I was sitting there like
wow, this is, I see it a lot,

559
00:30:56,940 --> 00:31:02,220
right where the initial report
comes out or maybe even a follow

560
00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:08,660
up like sometime later after the
hysteria or the nerves can cool

561
00:31:08,660 --> 00:31:11,530
down.
And then there's stuff added to

562
00:31:11,530 --> 00:31:13,450
it.
I I mean, I've done that before

563
00:31:13,450 --> 00:31:18,450
and without being untruthful in
a a statement or a story, but

564
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:22,250
when it gets really weird
afterwards, I'm like, okay.

565
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:25,810
So I'm not saying the initial
encounter is wrong, but I'm

566
00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:27,650
saying that you're an attention
whore.

567
00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:31,740
And you're trying to drum up
more popularity to get people

568
00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:34,140
more worked up over this.
It's a spirit being.

569
00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:36,940
Oh my gosh.
Especially how they were

570
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:40,380
physically banging on the cabin
walls and we were physically

571
00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:42,620
shooting them.
And one physically got shot and

572
00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:47,060
fell 400 feet onto granite and
exploded.

573
00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:49,140
You know, it's like, I don't
know.

574
00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:52,540
It's just, but yeah, you
clearing that up was good.

575
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:55,020
But no, this isn't.
This isn't at all what I was

576
00:31:55,020 --> 00:31:57,930
thinking really.
I was thinking about the one

577
00:31:58,890 --> 00:32:01,890
where like the cabin was
completely destroyed overnight

578
00:32:01,890 --> 00:32:03,250
and everyone was killed and
stuff.

579
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:06,090
What the fuck are you talking
about?

580
00:32:06,730 --> 00:32:10,730
Yeah, some, like group of big
feet, like, snuck up on some

581
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:12,970
people and ripped their cabin
apart and killed everybody.

582
00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:18,610
That's news to me.
Well, I might have to do a a

583
00:32:18,810 --> 00:32:20,450
report on maybe.
Maybe you should.

584
00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:23,090
I'm pretty well versed in
Bigfoot stories.

585
00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:25,370
Google it.
I like that.

586
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:28,950
I like that name, too.
Was it the Mountain Devils?

587
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:30,150
I'm gonna start calling them
that.

588
00:32:30,190 --> 00:32:32,590
Mountain Devils.
Mountain Devils.

589
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:37,190
Little little side note on that
right man.

590
00:32:37,470 --> 00:32:39,950
William Jennings.
William Jevening.

591
00:32:40,150 --> 00:32:44,470
William Jevening.
Pretty sure I got that right.

592
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:51,590
William Jevening does a podcast
called Creek Devil and he

593
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:55,270
explains during one of his
earlier episodes.

594
00:32:55,550 --> 00:32:59,550
I mean, this is back when I was
researching how to do podcasts

595
00:33:00,110 --> 00:33:02,470
at all.
When I was studying other shows

596
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:07,150
to see how to make this one.
He was kind of explaining that

597
00:33:07,150 --> 00:33:11,230
in the very early stages of
American history, when they were

598
00:33:11,230 --> 00:33:14,830
reporting these things, people
reported them as devils.

599
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:19,670
So you got a lot of things like
forest devil, Creek devil,

600
00:33:19,670 --> 00:33:23,510
mountain devil, all that stuff.
So swamp devils.

601
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:27,510
So when these guys were calling
the mountain Devils, it fits

602
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:31,630
perfectly right into the time
frame of when people were being

603
00:33:31,630 --> 00:33:34,230
introduced to this creature.
I see.

604
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:35,590
It's pretty cool.
Well, I like it.

605
00:33:35,790 --> 00:33:36,790
I like it regardless.
Yeah.

606
00:33:37,670 --> 00:33:40,870
But yeah, I'm definitely have to
look up what that story was.

607
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:43,750
I was thinking about It was like
an abominable snowman thing, but

608
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:46,830
still.
Oh, are you talking about a

609
00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:50,350
Diatla pass?
It was a tent.

610
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:54,670
It was snowing.
Well, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

611
00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:55,910
You're talking about Diatla
Pass.

612
00:33:55,910 --> 00:34:03,230
That's in Russia, dude.
Yeah, that's dude.

613
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:05,870
If you do Diatla Pass, you
better do it fucking right.

614
00:34:06,170 --> 00:34:08,570
You understand me?
I'm saying I'm going to do it.

615
00:34:06,770 --> 00:34:10,050
Well, you.
Understand you guys, now that

616
00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:12,210
you know what it is and you're
over here chuckling about it.

617
00:34:12,210 --> 00:34:17,690
How do you even spell that?
Die out love, DYOLTOV.

618
00:34:17,850 --> 00:34:19,969
Die out love.
There it is.

619
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:20,650
Die out.
Love.

620
00:34:20,650 --> 00:34:25,090
Pass.
Ah, yes. 1959.

621
00:34:25,489 --> 00:34:26,850
Yeah.
Where everyone.

622
00:34:26,889 --> 00:34:28,010
Yeah.
I was like, I haven't even seen

623
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:30,090
pictures of it where there's
like dead bodies and stuff.

624
00:34:30,090 --> 00:34:32,010
Yeah.
Yeah, no, Die out Love Pass is

625
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:35,179
are dial, dial tov, dial out
love.

626
00:34:35,179 --> 00:34:36,860
I mean, people pronounce it all
kinds.

627
00:34:36,860 --> 00:34:38,780
I'm not rushing.
I'm going to pronounce it the

628
00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:43,179
best I can, I guess.
Yeah, that's an absolute,

629
00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:46,420
absolute crazy story.
Like pronounced doubt, love or

630
00:34:46,420 --> 00:34:48,020
something.
Maybe that?

631
00:34:48,179 --> 00:34:50,820
Like a silent Why?
I read a really good fictional

632
00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:52,860
book on that whole experience,
which was pretty good.

633
00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:54,179
It was just called Dialogue
Pass.

634
00:34:56,260 --> 00:35:01,800
Yeah, there's so many, so many
theories ranging from damage

635
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,440
from infrasound people just
going absolutely fucking bonkers

636
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:13,520
nuts because of infrasound set
off by military testing or by UF

637
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,280
O's and or that a that a
freaking Yeti just came in and

638
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,480
just mauled everybody and threw
half of a person into a tree.

639
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:26,200
And I mean, I mean that there,
there's so much to unwind there.

640
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,800
There's a lot a lot stuff there
for dial up bass.

641
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,560
Well I'll leave it to you since
I don't read, OK, I I will, I

642
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,680
will definitely do dial up that.
That's one of the ones where you

643
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,400
know when we have a milestone
episode coming up, which we're

644
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,160
are, we're knocking out our two
milestones like back-to-back

645
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,240
right here.
So it won't be for like another

646
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:50,560
year, but shit, maybe, maybe for
the four year anniversary dial

647
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,000
up has to be a really good one
to do.

648
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,800
You got to be able to pronounce
it right though, no?

649
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Debt.
Love, No?

650
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,000
You're going to PO your coworker
fuck.

651
00:36:00,490 --> 00:36:03,890
Hates the way that we Lauren,
who hates the way that we

652
00:36:04,050 --> 00:36:06,450
pronounce stuff.
Hey, it is what it is.

653
00:36:07,330 --> 00:36:09,210
She still listens to the show.
That's all it matters.

654
00:36:11,090 --> 00:36:12,650
Nice.
Well dude, I like it.

655
00:36:12,690 --> 00:36:16,650
I have no reason to believe that
it's all made-up.

656
00:36:17,010 --> 00:36:19,930
Hosh Posh.
I think that it's more than

657
00:36:19,930 --> 00:36:24,730
likely true because it seems
like no one died, right?

658
00:36:24,730 --> 00:36:28,410
Well, except for one of the the
big feats, but no human being

659
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:31,830
died.
There was all the key stuff, the

660
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:35,710
the footprints, the rock
throwing, the noises.

661
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:41,270
I mean, it's pretty cut and dry
as far as like a basic Bigfoot

662
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:44,710
encounter it is.
And the reason why I love it is

663
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:47,630
because it's a classic.
It's as Americana as a Bigfoot.

664
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:51,470
Story comes when you think
Bigfoot and you think of like

665
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:56,670
the big stories.
You think Ape Canyon and the

666
00:36:56,710 --> 00:37:00,370
Patterson Gibbonsville.
Those are the two two big, big

667
00:37:00,370 --> 00:37:01,770
ones.
And debt.

668
00:37:01,770 --> 00:37:05,690
Look, pass.
No, I mean there's a lot of

669
00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:08,850
others.
There's Momo, there's, I'm not

670
00:37:08,850 --> 00:37:10,450
going to say her name them all
but there's that.

671
00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:15,170
There's Momo.
There's a lot.

672
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:18,730
A lot.
Those are, those are, those are

673
00:37:18,730 --> 00:37:22,210
your two heavyweights when it
comes to stories of Bigfoot

674
00:37:22,210 --> 00:37:27,900
sightings experiences and such.
Absolute beautiful stories.

675
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:30,860
I'm happy that we lasted long
enough to get both of them out.

676
00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:33,180
That's pretty cool.
We'll have to revisit the

677
00:37:33,180 --> 00:37:36,580
Patterson Gimlin film because I
think that that deserves a a

678
00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:40,940
better swing at.
But yeah, I think that was

679
00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:43,420
actually, that might have been
one of our first good episodes.

680
00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:48,780
That was a season one season
finale.

681
00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:53,260
It's been a long time, man.
Been a long time.

682
00:37:53,260 --> 00:37:56,170
Three years, dude.
That's crazy.

683
00:37:56,610 --> 00:37:58,210
Congrats.
We should We should quit.

684
00:37:58,210 --> 00:38:02,010
You should know you should quit.
Again, and I'll just keep going.

685
00:38:02,010 --> 00:38:04,810
Ah yes, I'm doing this stress
free.

686
00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:07,290
You notice how it keeps saying
us.

687
00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:08,650
There's a reason for that.
No, there isn't.

688
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:14,970
He's talking to himself and his
ego and and others other folks

689
00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:18,410
who may be present.
What is the reasoning?

690
00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:21,890
Oh, it's the spirits.
Well, I mean, do you want to

691
00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:26,480
talk about it?
Nah, OK, I figured, since it was

692
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,720
the end of the episode, but.
Okay.

693
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,640
I mean, I don't know.
I might come back and that's a

694
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,600
huge might.
And it depends on whether or not

695
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,680
I can knock out this episode I'm
working on with my very busy get

696
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,200
out of the Navy schedule,
looking for a house schedule,

697
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
rebuilding a bike that I crashed
schedule.

698
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,560
Now it's yeah, I'm trying to
trying to knock out a series

699
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,040
that I've been thinking about
for a while.

700
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:57,580
So yeah, if I can start getting
some episodes rolling out there

701
00:38:57,580 --> 00:38:59,660
and they start getting released
and dropped and everything like

702
00:38:59,660 --> 00:39:03,340
that, that'd be pretty cool.
But even still, even if I did,

703
00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:09,180
you guys would have to deal with
me closing up for a while, and

704
00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:11,660
not too long because I am going
to be moving.

705
00:39:11,660 --> 00:39:16,220
I'm getting out of the military
here in, oh, about five months,

706
00:39:16,540 --> 00:39:20,060
and me and my wife are looking
to be moved into our new house

707
00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:24,100
off of base before that happens.
So we're actively looking.

708
00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:27,180
We might be buying a house here
within the next month or so,

709
00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:33,300
definitely praying about that.
But yeah so I might be over here

710
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:36,180
putting around, might have to
wait a little bit longer.

711
00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:38,300
We'll see how all the schedule
stuff lines up.

712
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:42,500
But it's Jeremy is always
sitting there with wide open

713
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:45,060
doors.
He he said to me verbatim.

714
00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:51,820
Even when I'm Joe Rogan big and
I've got documentaries and.

715
00:39:52,290 --> 00:39:55,970
Making millions and millions of
dollars, I'll always let you sue

716
00:39:55,970 --> 00:40:00,090
me for royalties or come back.
And I was like, man, that does

717
00:40:00,090 --> 00:40:03,330
sound tempting, but I'd rather
just come back and be involved

718
00:40:03,330 --> 00:40:06,970
because all these guest spots,
it keeps having me on.

719
00:40:06,970 --> 00:40:13,570
It's making me miss the rush of
being exhausted, being exhausted

720
00:40:13,570 --> 00:40:16,050
and thinking, Oh my gosh, I have
to edit this.

721
00:40:18,850 --> 00:40:20,490
It's such a different approach
now.

722
00:40:20,770 --> 00:40:25,530
It is like the only reason why
it's been weekly is because I've

723
00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:29,090
had all this stuff built up from
being down for almost 3 months.

724
00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:32,050
I mean, we're almost at the end
of that now.

725
00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:34,130
So people are going to start
seeing some downtime again.

726
00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:36,490
We may have to go back to one
episode a month for a little

727
00:40:36,490 --> 00:40:39,730
while, especially since with the
holidays popping up and NFL

728
00:40:39,730 --> 00:40:41,090
football right around the
corner.

729
00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:46,680
Priorities.
You know, we may it, it may get

730
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,360
a little thin around here,
everybody.

731
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,600
But I know that we have at least
another month's worth of content

732
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,080
pretty much ready to go.
So my goal is to make it to

733
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,400
episode 150 before I call
anything, you know, or start

734
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,720
going a little slower or hold
back and let let some back stock

735
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,600
build so I can seem consistent
to everybody again.

736
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,080
But yeah, that's pretty much it.
Three years, Jake.

737
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:14,670
Congrats man.
Three years?

738
00:41:14,670 --> 00:41:16,110
Wow, that's crazy.
Happy birthday, bud.

739
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:20,110
Yep, Happy birthday.
Three years ago, Jake said.

740
00:41:20,350 --> 00:41:23,310
Yeah, I'll do this with you.
And he's regretted it every day.

741
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:25,550
That's that's literally how it
went.

742
00:41:25,590 --> 00:41:27,190
I was just like, yeah, I got
nothing better to do.

743
00:41:27,350 --> 00:41:30,870
I'll do it.
And no, I did not hear his story

744
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:32,070
and tell him he was full of
crap.

745
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:34,950
That is entire fabrication.
I may have thought it, but I

746
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:37,670
never said it.
Yeah, there it is.

747
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:39,590
Everybody.
All right.

748
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:42,670
Well, that's it, Jake.
Thanks for coming on buddy.

749
00:41:43,290 --> 00:41:45,370
For sure, dude.
Always always a pleasure.

750
00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:49,690
And yeah, until next time, we'll
see you in the next path of the

751
00:41:49,690 --> 00:41:51,370
Internet rabbit hole.
Bye.

752
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:59,890
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