151. Portlock and the Nantiinaq Part 1

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The Kenai Peninsula is a portion
of land on the southern shores

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of the great state of Alaska,
separating the Prince William

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Sound and Cook Inlet.
This nearly 150 mile stretch of

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land provides a haven for those
in the fishing industry, and

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with the Kenai Mountains
painting a picturesque backdrop,

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it is no wonder the area is well
known as Alaska's playground.

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Fishing, oil and tourism provide
the majority of the area's funds

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and employment, but with
mountain ranges, lakes for real

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forests, glaciers, ice fields,
marshes, and a rather large

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coastline, it's easy to claim
that there is something for

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everyone on the Kenai Peninsula,
the 15,700 square miles of land

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host a population of about
58,000 people who call this

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landmass home.
By comparison, that is nearly

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the same size as the states of
New Jersey and Massachusetts.

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Together with only one four
hundredth of the population,

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nearly 4000 square miles of the
peninsula is protected by the

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Kenai Fjord National Forest and
the Kenai National Wildlife

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Refuge. 2 large brown bears,
nearly £1000 each, were killed

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by hunters on the peninsula in
2015 and it's £600 black bear

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was killed by the local
authorities in 2011 after it was

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spotted roaming the streets of
Homer, a town situated 200 miles

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South of Anchorage.
These were just a few examples

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of an enormous list of accounts
going back hundreds of years,

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and just goes to show that the
area easily sustains the needs

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of large animals.
So it's not too hard to believe

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that an entire fishing town just
up and left, leaving the

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streets, homes and businesses
completely empty due to the fear

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of a savage creature loose in
the surrounding forest that

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hugged the town from three
sides.

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The 4th based the water.
So there really was nowhere to

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go when the town was subject to
a steady onslaught of vicious

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attacks in the early mid 1900s,
with some resulting in brutal

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deaths.
The creature was huge, come from

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head to toe and long hair, and
walked on two legs.

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Modern assumptions would match
the description of the culprit

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or culprits to a creature such
as a Bigfoot AKA Sasquatch, but

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when the first man died in 1931
by the hands of the beast, it

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was best known as the Knock
Knock.

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Today we travel to Port Lock
Alaska and welcome back to

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Infinite Rabbit Hole.
Bro, those are some Big Bear.

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Yeah.
Holy, holy.

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Yeah.
Welcome back to the Infinite

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Rabbit Hole podcast.
I'm your host, Jeremy.

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It's night.
We're going north way N Alaska.

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We're going to check out a ghost
town.

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Not just any ghost town, though.
A ghost town that was made into

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a ghost town because something
in the woods was scaring the

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shit out of people and killing
them before that, Let's go ahead

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and bring in the other host for
the night, Jacob.

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Hello.
Ooh, interesting way of saying

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my name.
Hello.

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Yeah, you like that.
Yeah, sounds so like exotic a

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little bit.
I came up with that like just

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now.
Wow, thanks dude.

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I must mean a lot to you.
I appreciate it.

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You mean a lot like this much?
For why are my sound waves so

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small?
Look at those things.

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Yours are so big and girthy.
They look normal to me anyways.

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Fair enough.
Yeah, the the people listening.

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Can't see that.
Anyways, doing all right, man.

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Yeah, I'm doing all right.
I'm dealing with some stress.

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I'm sitting in a office, so with
moving boxes.

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My microphone boom arm is
attached to my chair because I

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don't have a desk anymore
because we've been just getting

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rid of all of our garbage to
make the move easier.

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So it's just.
I don't know.

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Ready for this episode, though?
I hear it's something

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interesting.
I mean, look for the listeners.

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Jeremy wouldn't even let me look
up any information about it

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because he wanted to surprise me
with how cool it was.

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So excited for that, whatever
that may be.

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This has become an instant
bucket list.

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Destination instant.
I want to do it real bad.

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And next week's episode, we are
actually talking to a field

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researcher who's been to this
place not once, but twice, and

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has written one of the only
books strictly on this topic.

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That's more times than you've
been there, probably.

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That is a lot.
I mean, I don't know.

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I've been there a couple times
in my daydreams, that's for

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sure.
Yeah, but yeah, we get to talk

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to him tomorrow.
You get to listen in a week.

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Yeah, Take that.
Anyways, where are you moving

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to, Jake?
Oh, just a little.

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A little town, about 16,000
people in it.

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Somewhere close to you.
Places starts an M Yeah.

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Might be actually working in the
same company.

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Takes moving out by me for sure
this time.

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Like yeah.
And this time he's not going to

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change his mind until he does.
Yep, Yep, Yep.

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We're.
Going to move out there and then

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quit the podcast again.
All right, moving on.

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We do have one other guest
tonight and that is our old pal

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CJ CJ, welcome back, man.
What's happening guys?

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How are you, man?
I got the smallest waves of

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everybody.
No, I definitely have the

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smallest ones.
I think it's just look, when

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you're looking at your own
stuff, I am dead serious.

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Every wave looks exactly the
same.

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But Jake's waves are real small
on my screen.

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Jeremy's are like super peaking
and mine are teeny tiny.

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All right, not one person
listening to this gives a shit

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about our.
Which try to edit this this

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audio and Jeremy's is like gain
blown out.

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It's bad.
I just I just don't want to be

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the smallest one in the room.
Nah, man.

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I'm looking at, I'm looking at
mine and it.

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I'm definitely the smallest and
it's OK Never gotten a complaint

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about the audio that is.
Anyways, CJ, CJ asked me what we

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were what we were talking about
tonight.

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Oh, I did.
I got to do some research ahead

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of time.
Haha, Jake, he just did it on

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his own.
I didn't tell him to do it

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because.
Jeremy likes me more. 28

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minutes.
That's how long the video was

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that I watched.
Really.

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Dang.
Yeah, I didn't even watch a

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video.
I should watch videos on this

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because this is it's probably
pretty cool.

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So I actually went on a cruise
back in May through Alaska and I

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passed the place that we're
talking to you about tonight.

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Yeah.
Did they point it out or?

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Yeah, yeah, I saw it with my
physical eyes.

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I didn't.
We didn't.

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We didn't get the port there.
Obviously we didn't get the port

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in like any abandoned place, but
right, there were a whole bunch

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of towns we went to where
certain cryptids are a very big

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deal out there.
Right on.

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I got.
I got a Bigfoot wallet from

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Alaska.
You did.

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You sent me a ton of pictures of
all the Bigfoot shit there.

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Yeah, it's a huge deal out
there.

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It was pretty cool.
Well, now we have to go.

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Yeah.
Do we have to go?

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We have.
To we.

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Have to yeah.
There's a there's a cruise that

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goes out there and the whole
thing is a giant Bigfoot hunt.

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No, that that's too
commercialized.

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We don't.
Let's, let's do, Let's come.

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On I want to go with moot and
holler into the woods and scare

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about No, no, no, no, no.
We're gonna do real stuff if we

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go anyways.
We're gonna get eaten by a brown

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bear if we go.
That's how real it's going to

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be.
It wasn't that bad.

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I was about 100 yards from a
brown bear.

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No, no, no.
We're not going to be with

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anybody else.
We're going to be in there

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getting eaten by the brown bear
because we want it to be

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authentic, it went the full
experience.

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Yeah.
They're big.

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I want to come back without a
missing, without an arm.

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You're going to come back
without your soul because the

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bears going to snatch it right
out of your body.

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They're big.
Good.

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You're going to turn it into a
tightly coiled piece of shit in

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the woods.
You sound like a man that has

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never seen bear poop before.
No, actually it's very clumpy.

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Yeah, mostly with berries.
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Without further ado, you guys

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ready to roll?
Dude, I'm so ready.

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I'm down.
Let's go.

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Let's learn a little bit about
Port Lock Alaska.

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Port Lock Alaska was first
established by a captain of the

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Royal Navy by the name of
Nathaniel Portlock in 1786.

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Portlock is now one of many
ghost towns in America and there

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is some confusion to many with
the name of the town actually

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was.
A few different books and web

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articles that I've read claim
the town is Portlock and others

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call it Port Chatham.
After minimal research, I was

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able to decipher that the town
was indeed officially called

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Portlock by studying postal
records.

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Chatham, however, was the name
given to the Bay that Portlock

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was settled on, which was named
after the ship HMS Chatham,

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which was captained by the famed
explorer and cartographer George

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Vancouver in 1791.
I had this bit of information as

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many will claim that the name of
the town is 1 or the other

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depending on where their
research came from, but for this

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presentation I'll be referring
to this town as Portlock.

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Some will claim that there were
two towns on the shores of the

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Port, Chatham Bay, but I was
unable to find any hard evidence

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to support that.
An overwhelming majority of my

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research for this presentation
came from the book Abandon the

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History and Horror of Port
Chatham, Alaska by author Larry

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Baxter and is highly recommended
if you enjoy this subject or

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subjects of ghost towns and or
Bigfoot.

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In the early 1900s Portlock
became the home of a then

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state-of-the-art fish cannery
and cold storage facility that

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would prove to be incredibly
important and successful during

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the time prior to and during
World War One.

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Speaking of World War One,
Portlock exported another

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extremely important resource for
the efforts of the war.

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Over 1000 tons of chromite ore
was processed into metals for

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machines and weaponry for the
use by American service members.

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Besides chromite and fish, the
area is extremely rich in timber

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and coal, which led the area to
become a major hotspot in each

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of these industries while
successfully attracting

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investors, workers and
entrepreneurs to give the

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prosperous land their best shot.
Port Lock and Chatham Bay were

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very successful and the place
was beginning to explode with

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life and infrastructure.
That is, until the year 1950,

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when the last resident, the
postmaster, lived in the town

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entirely alone for just over one
year left, making Port Lock an

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official ghost town.
The fishing town which has

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school for grades one through 8,
Fox and Mink farms, a successful

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cannery, numerous high yielding
mines of different resources, a

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post office and a billiards hall
that its entire population

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drained in response to the
fabled and murderous creature

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named by the local natives and
known by all locals as the Knock

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Knock.
Welcome to Port Chatham guys and

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Port Lock.
What do you think?

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I wonder who owns it now?
That is actually a fantastic

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question for our guest that will
be on this show tomorrow.

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Well, with.
Well the the reasoning is, is

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that there's a lot of ghost
towns all over the place.

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But just because they're
abandoned doesn't mean you can

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like explore them because you
could still get hit up for

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trespassing and all kinds of
stuff.

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You know you go explore some
abandoned buildings there could

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be a lawsuits in order because
depending on how long things

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have been sitting there if you
get injured while you're there

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and all sorts of stuff, right.
There's a bunch of legalities

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around it.
So I mean for the in the realm

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of.
Going to explore this place

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because of the the tales and you
know, history surrounding it,

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which I I know you're going to
get into, but it just makes me

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wonder like how much can you
actually do of within the

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boundaries of the town itself?
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not a whole whole lot, because
while we were there, there were

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a number of ghost towns that
were around the areas we ported

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in.
And they flat out told us do not

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go there, you will get arrested.
Yeah.

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They they're pretty serious up
there about not letting people

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explore and well, because it's
really easy to get lost or get

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hurt in places like this, and
even in the woods out there,

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they get pretty strict about
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So actually, right here at the
back of the book, I was thinking

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about it because I did read this
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Page 140, he he makes a special
thanks to the English Bay

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Corporation for allowing us
access to your land.

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It was an amazing experience.
So there's your answer, the

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English Bay Corporation.
So now we know who we got to get

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in touch with.
Yeah, yeah.

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I wonder what sort of poll you
have to have for something like

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that, or how much money and
signing all sorts of waivers and

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legal documents and things like
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Yep.
Yeah, it might be worth it.

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Yeah, it might be.
I mean certainly.

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Yeah, I was just thinking about
that.

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I was like, man, because there's
a lot, there's a lot of ghost

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towns, a lot of really
interesting history why they

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became ghost towns.
You know, sometimes it's due to

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resources drying out or
whatever, right?

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And then it's just not really
worth it to demolish the talent

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and rebuild because even still
where people going to work, you

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know, XY&Z, whatever, you know,
a lot of minds drying up and

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things like that.
But it's like.

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You know, and they'll just leave
him sitting like that and you'd

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think off top of your head,
well, obviously it's abandoned,

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so no one owns it.
Well, that's not the case,

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right?
Someone always owns that land

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and they're more than willing to
prosecute anybody who just wants

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to go and have a peek, you know,
if you get caught.

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So of course, of course, well,
our guest will definitely know

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how to do it because he's done
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There you go.
So well, twice since the book

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came out.
Could be more.

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We'll talk to him.
Find out, CJ.

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You got anything, man?
Not really, no.

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I think the, I think the story
of it's pretty interesting so

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far.
So I'm looking forward to

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hearing your details on that.
Right on, man, you guys ready to

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roll?
Oh.

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Yeah.
All right, let's jump into the

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knock knock.
According to author Larry

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Baxter, whose book abandoned the
history and horror of Port

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Chatham, Alaska.
Some say it means giant hairy

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thing.
Some say it means half man, half

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beast, while still others will
tell you it does not translate

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well and say there are no direct
translations to English.

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The indigenous people around
Port Lock refer to and directly

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tell stories about the knock
knock.

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One particular telling is of a
group of hunters afloat and what

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is now referred to as Dogfish
Bay.

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One of the men wanted to be
dropped off on the shore once

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the sun came up so that he may
live in the forest with the

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knock knock.
This was apparently a part of

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his plan from the beginning of
the hunting trip as he had

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discussed this goal with his
wife and he had told her to stay

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put and not venture into the
forest as he did not want her to

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get dragged away by him or
another of the knock knock.

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According to him, he would grow
hairy and would eventually

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become one of the feared beasts,
and that it was her duty to be

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with the children.
A man was spotted frequently

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around the area and the
transformation from man into one

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of the knock knock was well
seen.

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Eventually the transformation
was so strong that he no longer

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spoken words, but rather in
whistles and was not able to

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understand human speech.
During one particular hunting

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trip, a group of men were
roaming along the airstrip of

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modern day nearby Port Graham in
search of ducks when a loud set

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of whistles erupted from the
tree line.

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One of the men whistled back in
the direction of the original

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call.
Shortly after, the men spotted a

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large brown bear making its way
through the water.

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The men stood and watched as the
animal exited onto the shore by

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the airstrip and began charging
after the men turned tail and

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ran back to town, where the man
who whistled back to the

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original caller fell ill and the
man eventually recovered.

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Shortly after the incident at
the airstrip.

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The creature was seen commonly
around the area of Second Lake

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and the locals began blaming it
for the disappearances of their

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pets and other animals.
It was believed that this

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specific knock knock that these
villagers were seeing was the

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man who left the tribe to become
one of the creatures himself.

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The story is told by a native
elder named Melania Kel in a

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YouTube video with Kathy
Brewster on the Madea, Kosovo de

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Haas YouTube channel and her
native language.

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In this video Brewster
translates word for word Melania

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Kells telling of the story of
the Notna 1.

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Glaring difference between this
story of a Bigfoot like creature

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and many others told is the
detail of a human transforming

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into a creature.
This particular aspect is more

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commonly seen in tellings of
spirits or creatures like the

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the Wendigo or the Kustaka as
told by the Alaskan Tingling

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natives.
Along with this difference,

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there are many others, such as
the common description of the

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creature using tools such as a
club or lumberjacks axe, with a

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few tellings, even mentioning
the creatures shape shifting

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into another animal in order to
get away unnoticed, And Larry

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Baxter's book Abandoned the
History and Horror of Port

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Chatham, Alaska, Baxter includes
a story from a book published in

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1979 titled Old Beliefs by an FS
Pulu.

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About local legends and the lore
of the Kenai Peninsula.

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Written in both English and the
local tribes.

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Language of the Suksun.
Word for word, the story goes

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there is a caveman in portlock.
The caveman is tall.

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The caveman is hairy.
The caveman is a real person.

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He didn't want to live with
people.

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He went to live in the forest.
Soon his clothes were worn out,

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so his body became hairy.
Soon his shoes were worn out, so

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his feet became big.
He did not see anyone.

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He did not talk with anyone.
Soon he forgot to talk.

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He talked by whistling.
He can see you before you can

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see him.
He will not harm you.

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He is like a Big Bear.
If you bother him, he will

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bother you.
And this is the story of the

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Caveman, a port lock.
Throughout the historical

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narratives of the knock knock,
the creatures described mostly

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the same, with the only real
difference being the color that

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is reported.
Now primarily the creature has

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been reported as black or brown,
but many reports exists of the

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creature being Gray or Auburn in
color.

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The creature is described as
having a bad habit of kidnapping

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children and full grown adults
as well as livestock and pets.

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In fact, the Dina Ena, one of
the many tribes that called

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Kenai Peninsula home, called the
Creature not Tina, which

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translates to the Ones Who Steal
Us So unlike the story that was

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told just prior, Another glaring
difference between the Knock

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Knock and the Canadian Lower 48
version of Bigfoot is that it is

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extremely hostile and dangerous.
The creature was so dangerous,

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that story has it that an entire
town abandoned everything they

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knew and worked towards in order
to save themselves and their

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families from the wrath of a
creature whose reports go back

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further than the famed Jerry
Crew prints an incredibly

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popular Patterson Gimlin film.
All right guys, your turn.

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It's.
Very interesting story.

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A lot of native lore about this.
It's very, very cool that not

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only did this whole town
seemingly the story is is that

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this town seemingly just got up
and left because they were being

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harassed by this creature.
But you have a ton of native

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lore that dates back way before
even the establishment of this

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fishing town.
And that's, you know, something

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we we hit on often.
You know, obviously there's a

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lot of stories surrounding
animals that native tribes had

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contact with all the time.
You know, how did the Earth come

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into existence?
You know the difference of good

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and evil, all these different
things, or the fight of good and

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evil rather?
But that's something we always

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hit on on this is that, you
know, these people, even if they

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had stories that were sometimes
fantastic stories about the

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animals they dealt with on a
regular basis, like the fox, the

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wolf, you know, up there in
Alaska, probably the seal, all

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all these sorts of things.
That doesn't mean that they

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weren't talking about animals
that existed.

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And again with all the reports
or all the stories, all the

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lore, all the legends about.
Sasquatch.

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Or you know what they would call
them in their own native

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languages.
You know, Again, this is a

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fantastic story about someone
turning into one, but that

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doesn't mean that those two
things aren't, you know, real.

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Obviously people exist, right?
But that doesn't mean that this

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creature doesn't exist.
And this could be their way of a

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fantastic story talking about
essentially how these things

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came into existence, which was
people turning into them in just

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this one individual case.
Either way, I love it when

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there's deep Native American
legends and and history and and

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stories regarding Sasquatch or
Sasquatch type animals and

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stuff.
It's just lends deeper into the

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possibility of.
Either their existence or you

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know that they did previously
exist.

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I think it's pretty cool, CJ
What do you got, man?

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My favorite part was how it
turned from originally being

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just like a hermit guy who got
furry to and like you could

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leave him alone, he'd ignore you
to now he's snatching kids.

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Yeah, that is such a popular
trend though.

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Like we had just done an episode
on the Ozar Haller where the the

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story behind it, the fable
behind it, was that a man had to

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rid of his wife in order to
marry someone more wealthy with

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more political connections.
So he hired somebody who who

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studies witchcraft from his
hometown in New Orleans or New

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Orleans Nolans and turned her
into the Ozark Hallor.

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Now that's only one example.
There's plenty of them.

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There's tons of examples where
story is created, whether it be

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by natives or by the 1st
settlers of somebody who got

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pushed aside by society or by
the tribe, or chose to go out

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into the woods and became this
creature that haunts them.

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But there must be more to this,
Jeremy.

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How could they abandon
everything off of a story?

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There must be more.
Do you guys think that maybe,

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like, they encountered like,
say, like a Bigfoot, and then

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over time, maybe somebody was
doing something they weren't

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supposed to and blamed the
Bigfoot for it, And that's why

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the the story transformed from,
hey, there's this peaceful

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creature who lives over there to
oh, he's snatching babies.

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Right.
Because this person's kidnapping

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people and killing them, you
know, worse.

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Yeah.
I mean, we're gonna get into

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some stuff here in a little bit,
definitely.

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If there wasn't a Bigfoot, there
was definitely a serial killer

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about.
Because because like, if we look

455
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,640
at like with all of our Bigfoot
tails and like skunk apes and

456
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,920
all that, we don't really hear
about them snatching children,

457
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,400
right?
That's not really like a thing

458
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,200
that goes on.
If anything, especially nowadays

459
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,560
you have missing kids that are
found days later saying that

460
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:56,120
they were being cared for by
bears and that's not something

461
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:59,960
that bears do, right?
They're very opportunistic

462
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:06,160
hunters.
So it's like and if the if if a

463
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,480
animal behavior.
I don't think an animal behavior

464
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,770
would change like that.
Like either a bear becomes

465
00:27:14,770 --> 00:27:19,450
docile and takes care of a human
kid or a Bigfoot goes from like,

466
00:27:19,650 --> 00:27:23,170
you know, CJ is saying nice and
peaceful to suddenly just on a

467
00:27:23,170 --> 00:27:26,650
murderous rampage.
You know, I I agree it does.

468
00:27:26,650 --> 00:27:29,970
It definitely sound like, you
know, as we get into this, that

469
00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:34,170
someone was doing something
awful and then was just blaming

470
00:27:34,170 --> 00:27:36,050
the Bigfoot.
Oh gosh, the Bigfoot.

471
00:27:36,050 --> 00:27:40,250
They're killing people with.
Cutting implements, you know.

472
00:27:41,650 --> 00:27:44,820
Yeah, then like.
Like with Jake's mountain

473
00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:47,540
gorilla episode, and he was
talking about they were at the

474
00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:49,900
zoo and the lady like showed the
gorilla her baby.

475
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:53,100
The gorilla went and got their
baby came back, but they they

476
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:56,620
know what babies are, right?
They know what children are.

477
00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:59,220
So it doesn't really make sense
that they would be stealing

478
00:27:59,220 --> 00:28:02,060
them, right?
Like and are, are any of the

479
00:28:02,060 --> 00:28:04,980
great apes really known for
snatching human children and

480
00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:07,540
like taking them?
It's a good question.

481
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:11,020
I don't know.
I wouldn't put it past like

482
00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:14,830
chimpanzees and stuff, but.
It more to be like to eat kids,

483
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:19,110
but that's just that.
I'm gonna ask Google.

484
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:22,350
That's just out of my own, you
know, opinion of how vicious

485
00:28:22,350 --> 00:28:25,750
chimps can be.
I mean, Jake, we just found out

486
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:27,950
CJ still listens to the show.
I know.

487
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:30,590
That's cool.
That's cool.

488
00:28:31,150 --> 00:28:33,190
Thanks, CJ Thanks for your
support, man.

489
00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:37,590
You guys ready to move on?
I wanna see what the Google

490
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:41,470
machine says for CJ.
So apparently.

491
00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:46,540
Chimpanzees and macaques will
steal human babies, but they're

492
00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:48,260
like the only ones known to do
that.

493
00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:54,460
Did they eat the kids?
It doesn't say, but that means a

494
00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:56,140
chimp.
So I can only imagine that there

495
00:28:56,140 --> 00:28:58,540
was some form of violence
involved, right?

496
00:28:58,580 --> 00:29:03,580
Yeah, rough.
So then in that case, if we

497
00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:07,020
could, if we could come to the
conclusion that Sasquatch, since

498
00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:10,940
it's bigger, would be more like
a gorilla.

499
00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:15,970
Or one of the, you know, other
more docile great apes.

500
00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:22,450
I mean gorillas are very was it
their, they kind of hang out by

501
00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:25,170
themselves.
They don't, you know, they'll

502
00:29:25,170 --> 00:29:28,050
roam around in groups and stuff.
But I mean like they don't,

503
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:30,450
they're shy.
They don't like getting run up

504
00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:33,130
on and stuff like that.
I mean they they will do those

505
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:36,050
dominant displays and stuff when
threatened, but they're not

506
00:29:36,130 --> 00:29:39,770
seeking out that sort of
behavior like a chimpanzee will.

507
00:29:40,130 --> 00:29:44,400
So if we could.
Liken A Sasquatch to the same

508
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,000
sort of behavior.
Then it would make sense that

509
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,000
this wouldn't be, you know, this
would be pointed at a person, a

510
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,040
person's activity versus you
know, them.

511
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,040
Unless an extreme example
occurred.

512
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,160
Remember, we're technically part
of the great A family and

513
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,320
there's a couple of us that are
pretty fucked up.

514
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,360
I mean, I don't think it's too
far of a stretch to think that

515
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,920
one Bigfoot or a group of
Bigfoot, maybe they were

516
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,730
inbreeding or whatnot and they
just or fuck, maybe they're all

517
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:16,650
sick fucking just going out
there just killing people.

518
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:20,930
You know that that Alaskan
wilderness is very, very vast

519
00:30:21,450 --> 00:30:26,530
and we started in Anchorage and
went all the way down and

520
00:30:26,770 --> 00:30:31,170
through the icy straight, I
think, and ended in Vancouver.

521
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:35,330
And in every single port we were
at there was Bigfoot lore,

522
00:30:35,730 --> 00:30:38,050
right?
So for it to be across that

523
00:30:38,050 --> 00:30:40,530
entire stretch of land, you
know?

524
00:30:40,910 --> 00:30:45,070
Inbreeding seems kind of
unlikely because animals will go

525
00:30:45,070 --> 00:30:47,390
out of their way to not inbreed,
right?

526
00:30:47,470 --> 00:30:50,670
Like they'll travel because
instinct drives them to mix

527
00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:52,830
their genetics and and form
stronger things.

528
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:58,230
So I'm not so sure about the
whole inbreeding thing, but I I

529
00:30:58,230 --> 00:31:01,990
mean, there could be a psycho in
the group, but it seems less

530
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:05,670
likely because we don't really,
we don't see that as often in

531
00:31:05,670 --> 00:31:08,770
animals like that.
And like when you encounter like

532
00:31:08,770 --> 00:31:12,370
a gorilla, From the things I've
seen and by, I'm by no means an

533
00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:16,370
expert in dealing with gorillas,
but like, if you're like ever

534
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:18,890
in, like a safari situation, if
you like, don't touch the

535
00:31:18,890 --> 00:31:21,930
babies, don't make eye contact.
Don't show them your teeth.

536
00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:25,970
Yeah, you have a relatively good
chance of not getting injured.

537
00:31:26,850 --> 00:31:29,490
Yeah, you know, don't make any
movements, look at the ground,

538
00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:31,450
things like that.
Like they they typically are.

539
00:31:31,450 --> 00:31:34,710
Like they're cool.
So it doesn't really make sense

540
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:37,430
that there would be like a
serial baby snatcher.

541
00:31:38,110 --> 00:31:41,030
That's a that's a Bigfoot.
It doesn't like fit the MO and

542
00:31:41,030 --> 00:31:43,150
we don't really have like again,
just to revisit, we don't really

543
00:31:43,150 --> 00:31:45,710
have those legends across the
United States like Bigfoot

544
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:49,190
aren't really known for
snatching up children, right?

545
00:31:50,670 --> 00:31:57,270
Well, I mean to say that there
is zero stories, I don't know.

546
00:31:57,710 --> 00:32:01,990
I mean we just did a can, right?
Obviously they were.

547
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,680
They were pushed on in that
version, but in that episode we

548
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:14,400
also brought up Dolotop Pass,
and although although you know

549
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,240
the jury's out, we don't really
know what it what actually

550
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,760
happened in Dolla Pass.
One of the big theories is that

551
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,720
a Yeti just went batshit crazy
and just killed everybody and

552
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,280
threw half of a guy up in the
tree.

553
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,240
I mean, that's fair.
I mean, they you have stuff like

554
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,160
mad cow disease and other things
like that.

555
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,560
They can like affect animals,
make them go nuts.

556
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,480
They get a bad case of rabies
running through.

557
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,480
But like, if it was like rabies,
it would kill them pretty quick.

558
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,840
They wouldn't have time to
consistently be out there

559
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,160
snatching kids.
It wouldn't be over a time span

560
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,040
of years.
Mad cow disease was like spawned

561
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,080
by feeding cows their own meat
or something like that.

562
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,360
So I guess the.
Primate version would be like if

563
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,960
they were in such a desperate
situation that they had to eat,

564
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,000
you know, go cannibalistic and
stuff, I guess.

565
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,600
Yeah.
I don't know that that's besides

566
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,840
me.
I don't know anything about

567
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,520
that.
You guys ready to roll?

568
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,640
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're ready.

569
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,200
All right, let's talk about
Andrew.

570
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,690
In 1931, a man by the name of
Andrew Kamlock would begin a

571
00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:28,770
lumber operation with two men
from town in order to get away

572
00:33:28,770 --> 00:33:31,410
from the daily grind at the
local fish cannery.

573
00:33:32,130 --> 00:33:34,810
After three months, Andrew was
by himself.

574
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:38,850
His partners had quit, and so
did any other help that Andrew

575
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:42,650
attempted to hire from the job.
It always went down the same

576
00:33:42,650 --> 00:33:44,370
way.
The men would show up to the

577
00:33:44,370 --> 00:33:48,490
site, store their belongings and
lunches near a shady tree or

578
00:33:48,490 --> 00:33:52,810
rock, and when they returned,
their stuff was gone through and

579
00:33:52,810 --> 00:33:56,520
their food was gone.
The blame was originally placed

580
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,720
on critters such as bears or
raccoons, but the streak of

581
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,480
people giving up on Andrew and
his logging job began when the

582
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,240
trickery turned more serious and
sinister.

583
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,480
The men showed up to work one
morning with logging chains

584
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,520
ripped apart, handles to access,
snapped in half in the work

585
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,960
area.
Complete mess.

586
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,040
Originally, Andrew blamed it on
an unknown competitor, but the

587
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,090
locals knew what it was.
The natives of the area told

588
00:34:25,090 --> 00:34:27,330
stories of the creature known as
the knock Knock.

589
00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:31,330
They roamed the woods at a
height over 7 feet, walked on

590
00:34:31,330 --> 00:34:34,650
two legs, and was completely
covered in shaggy air.

591
00:34:35,250 --> 00:34:38,130
And you never believed the
legend and would tell his

592
00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:40,730
workers that it was a story that
natives would tell their

593
00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:43,010
children to keep them out of the
forest at night.

594
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:47,370
But the hired help and his
original partners thought

595
00:34:47,370 --> 00:34:51,270
differently of the omens that
had plagued the work site it

596
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:53,909
calls Heard coming from the
forest for more than enough

597
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:57,590
evidence to convince all of the
others that this was not a place

598
00:34:57,590 --> 00:35:02,070
for them, and eventually Andrew
decided that the job would just

599
00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:07,070
have to be done by himself.
Andrew Kamloch was found dead

600
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:10,110
with a very large piece of the
logging equipment that was

601
00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:15,030
clearly used as a weapon,
sitting about 10 feet away from

602
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:20,630
him and his very damaged body.
This particular piece of

603
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:24,910
equipment was far too heavy for
any average man to pick up, let

604
00:35:24,910 --> 00:35:30,270
alone swing or throw at someone,
and resembled a small crane, but

605
00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:34,430
it also had a very large
splatter of blood on it and

606
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:37,710
seemed to be tossed to the side
after committing the kill.

607
00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:41,230
All right, guys.
What do you guys think about

608
00:35:41,230 --> 00:35:44,510
Andrew's story?
Sometimes you're just destroyed

609
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:46,510
by a giant piece of locking
equipment.

610
00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:50,920
Well, I tried to get a really
good description of this.

611
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,120
Maybe our guest tomorrow will
have some more input on this.

612
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,520
But from what I was reading,
basically was there was no way

613
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,800
that this piece of equipment,
the way it was sitting away from

614
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,240
his body, there was no way that
it just fell on him.

615
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,520
That's just didn't happen.
This was used.

616
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,360
It was, it was damaged as it
was, you know, coming down onto

617
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,450
his body or whatnot, on the
rocks or or the trunks or trees

618
00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:22,170
or whatever the hell it was
hitting on his way down, you

619
00:36:22,170 --> 00:36:26,410
know, mutilating this guy and
then tossed aside.

620
00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:31,090
I mean, if it had just fell
down, you know, where it was

621
00:36:31,090 --> 00:36:33,170
about 10 feet of his away from
his body.

622
00:36:33,490 --> 00:36:38,370
If it had fell on Andrew, it
would just be on top of him, you

623
00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:41,690
know, You'd be dead.
I mean, Andrew was dead.

624
00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:46,000
Dead like skull broken open.
Real dead.

625
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,280
Yeah.
Like, really, really dead.

626
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,960
There was no pushing this off of
him, you know what I'm saying?

627
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,800
He wasn't doing that.
He was dead.

628
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,240
What if instead of somebody
hitting him with the equipment,

629
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:01,320
what if they hit the equipment
with him?

630
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,880
That's yeah, yeah, yeah,
definitely, definitely could

631
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,280
have, that's for sure.
I didn't think of it that way,

632
00:37:11,970 --> 00:37:13,330
yeah.
This because, I mean, we've all

633
00:37:13,330 --> 00:37:15,610
been, we've all been in
schoolyard fights, so we've at

634
00:37:15,610 --> 00:37:18,290
least seen them a handful of
times in life.

635
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:21,650
Like, it's not uncommon for one
person to grab another person,

636
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:24,490
swing them around and throw
them, you know?

637
00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:27,810
So if you had enough, if you if
they grabbed them by like, the

638
00:37:27,810 --> 00:37:30,890
ankles and like just started
swinging, they could get them

639
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:34,050
off the ground and smack them up
against something pretty easily.

640
00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:36,130
I could.
Anything.

641
00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:38,130
Shoulders.
Shit.

642
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:42,090
Fucking a Sasquatch could
probably put his fucking palm

643
00:37:42,090 --> 00:37:49,890
around your chest and just just.
Slam dunk you into a piece of

644
00:37:49,890 --> 00:37:54,970
farming equipment, yeah?
Man, that'd be a hard way to go.

645
00:37:54,970 --> 00:37:56,770
That would suck.
But you know what I do like

646
00:37:56,770 --> 00:38:01,770
about this story though, is
that's more like in the

647
00:38:01,770 --> 00:38:05,850
wheelhouse of pissed off
Sasquatch behavior, right?

648
00:38:05,850 --> 00:38:09,170
Like when you guys talked about
Ape Canyon, I think it was the

649
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:11,490
Ape Canyon episode.
Where like they had like that

650
00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:15,410
cabin and they shocked one and
all of a sudden there were like

651
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:17,890
20 of them coming into the
campsite trying to snatch the

652
00:38:17,890 --> 00:38:19,650
axe out of the house.
Yeah.

653
00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:23,530
You know, you know, so this is
like, this is more believable

654
00:38:23,530 --> 00:38:26,810
than just running around
snatching up kids and stuff

655
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:32,130
where they're like, maybe they
did something to upset the

656
00:38:32,130 --> 00:38:35,690
Sasquatch and he came in, he was
like, all right, all right, I

657
00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:39,170
see how it is and just bounces
him off the equipment.

658
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,960
And then throws his body to the
side.

659
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,720
That wouldn't be hard for a
Sasquatch to do.

660
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,240
Smash you off something and then
just cast your mutilated body

661
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,880
somewhere.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, very true.

662
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,200
Very, very true.
Scary.

663
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,280
That's that's rough, man.
I couldn't imagine being in that

664
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,180
situation.
Well, if we're going to take a

665
00:39:01,180 --> 00:39:04,700
trip to port lock, we'll almost
certainly get an opportunity in

666
00:39:04,940 --> 00:39:08,900
that situation.
Did they check to see if his

667
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:11,260
underwear was loaded up?
Because if a Sasquatch grabbed

668
00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:13,900
me and picked me up off the
ground, immediately filling my

669
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:18,140
pants.
Even if I didn't have to know, I

670
00:39:18,140 --> 00:39:19,820
don't know.
I have no idea.

671
00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:22,100
Good questions.
Good questions.

672
00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:23,940
No idea.
All right.

673
00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:25,820
You guys ready to move on?
Yeah.

674
00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:27,140
OK.
All right.

675
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:29,220
All right.
Let's talk about some other

676
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:32,370
accounts real quick.
A gold prospector who had moved

677
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:37,370
into the area in 1931 in order
to verify the claims that the

678
00:39:37,410 --> 00:39:41,690
area was rich in metals and
minerals, he had received word

679
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:45,330
that there was a stream not too
far away that was largely

680
00:39:45,330 --> 00:39:49,970
unprospected and unexplored.
This sound like a perfect place

681
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:54,210
to him, but a few of the old
timers weighed in and warned him

682
00:39:54,210 --> 00:39:56,450
of the wild man that lived in
the area.

683
00:39:57,230 --> 00:40:00,430
They reiterated that there was a
reason why the area remained

684
00:40:00,430 --> 00:40:03,990
mostly untouched, but the
prospector would have none of it

685
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:07,910
and continuously claimed that
from California through Canada

686
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:11,590
all the way to here to Alaska,
the most dangerous thing he had

687
00:40:11,590 --> 00:40:13,550
ever seen in the wild was a
Wolverine.

688
00:40:14,430 --> 00:40:17,910
So he went on his way until he
reached a wellmade game trail

689
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:22,510
that would take him to the
Creek, and unfortunately he was

690
00:40:22,510 --> 00:40:26,220
never seen again.
Another disappearance details a

691
00:40:26,220 --> 00:40:28,820
crew of sheep hunters who had
taken off for the nearby

692
00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:31,300
mountains and never were seen
again.

693
00:40:32,020 --> 00:40:35,500
Nobody really knew them, but a
little while after they left,

694
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:38,740
bodies began showing up in the
waters around Portlock with

695
00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:42,580
injuries and decapitations that
were never seen before.

696
00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:46,380
The wounds were so bad that
nobody believed that a bear

697
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:50,340
would do such a thing, not to
mention that bears would often

698
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:53,220
eat their kill, not throw it
into the water.

699
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:57,580
In 1905, many of the native
workers at the fish cannery

700
00:40:57,580 --> 00:41:00,740
walked out of the job due to the
fear that there was something in

701
00:41:00,740 --> 00:41:04,220
the nearby woods that was
extremely malicious.

702
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:07,900
It wasn't until the cannery
brought in armed security that

703
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:12,940
the workers returned.
In 1923, Sergius Moonen and his

704
00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:17,140
girlfriend witnessed an upright,
large walking creature covered

705
00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:20,860
in hair strolling on the beach
nearby.

706
00:41:22,530 --> 00:41:25,570
In the early 1940s, the creature
was spotted on the beach

707
00:41:25,570 --> 00:41:28,090
rummaging through a fish trap by
Tom Larson.

708
00:41:28,810 --> 00:41:32,410
Larson raised his rifle to take
a shot at the creature, but as

709
00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:36,570
he was focusing in, he was able
to get a really good look at its

710
00:41:36,570 --> 00:41:41,970
face and realized that it looked
extremely humanlike.

711
00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:46,450
Tom couldn't pull the trigger,
so he put his finger down and

712
00:41:46,450 --> 00:41:48,970
backed away slowly with the
rifle fixed on the creature

713
00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:51,810
until he felt he was at a safe
distance away.

714
00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:56,740
In 1948, multiple hunters were
found mutilated in the area that

715
00:41:56,740 --> 00:42:02,020
was surrounded with very large
humanlike bare footprints. 1949

716
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:05,460
marked the year that a trackway
was found of 18 inch humanlike

717
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:08,260
footprints which seemed to be
tracking a moose.

718
00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:11,900
The footprints of the creature
and the moose merged in an area

719
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:14,860
that showed that there was quite
the struggle and the moose

720
00:42:14,860 --> 00:42:17,580
tracks ceased and the tracks
just stopped.

721
00:42:18,430 --> 00:42:20,950
But the human, like Prince,
continued for quite a while up

722
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:23,190
the mountain before they became
unfollowable.

723
00:42:24,310 --> 00:42:28,430
In 1968, a hunter was chased out
of a nearby ravine after the

724
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:32,470
town was abandoned by an upright
walking giant covered in hair.

725
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:36,470
A group of hunters took shelter
for two nights in their tents by

726
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:40,550
Dogfish Bay to get out of a
rather strong storm that passed

727
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:44,650
through in 1973.
Both nights the men claimed to

728
00:42:44,650 --> 00:42:47,890
hear something large and on two
legs, walking around and

729
00:42:47,890 --> 00:42:50,250
apparently looking into their
belongings that were left

730
00:42:50,250 --> 00:42:53,410
outside.
And in the 80s, another group of

731
00:42:53,410 --> 00:42:56,410
hunters claimed to be screamed
at by an unknown animal.

732
00:42:57,370 --> 00:43:00,290
Now, these are just a few of the
very long list of events that

733
00:43:00,290 --> 00:43:04,490
involved an upright, walking,
hairy creature in the area

734
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:10,010
surrounding Port Lock, Alaska.
That first one didn't seem mad.

735
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:13,100
The ordinary to me.
No, I bet that happened a lot

736
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:15,540
back then.
Even even today, I mean we

737
00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:18,340
talked about missing 411 and
stuff, but people go missing all

738
00:43:18,340 --> 00:43:20,980
the time.
I mean, shoot, just, I mean,

739
00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:23,740
this is very unfortunate, but
just I'll say a couple months

740
00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:30,940
ago there was a a local kid here
that was hiking and he fell off

741
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:33,060
a Cliff or something and he
passed away.

742
00:43:33,060 --> 00:43:36,980
I mean, people nowadays we have.
Very extensive search and rescue

743
00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:40,500
teams and all sorts of stuff,
GPS trackers, yadda yadda all

744
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:42,380
the sorts of stuff.
I mean your phone can track your

745
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:46,820
your G, PS:, location in most
circumstances, so I mean, but

746
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:50,260
yeah, back then I'm sure there
was a lot of disappearances,

747
00:43:50,260 --> 00:43:53,700
especially if you're going to an
area that has apparently £1000

748
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:56,460
brown bears, you're going to go
missing and you're never going

749
00:43:56,460 --> 00:43:59,900
to get seen again.
Now going into that obviously as

750
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:02,740
you got past just the first
account.

751
00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:07,700
All of these seems very, very
Sasquatchy, right?

752
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:11,660
Especially when it comes to
human like footprints, you know?

753
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:15,180
And so it's like, yeah, all
right, I'll, I'll buy those for

754
00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:16,780
sure.
And if, you know, we want to

755
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:22,700
talk about some crazy single
Sasquatch or or multiple

756
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:26,100
Sasquatch, this is like a this
is a big stretch though.

757
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:32,900
This is what like a 7080 year
stretch?

758
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,560
Like 1905 to 1980.
So I mean, I guess, I mean, who

759
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,760
knows the lifespan of those of
the creatures.

760
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,800
So I mean, but I think this
would be more like a troop of

761
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,960
them or or whatever you consider
a pack of big feats or

762
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,320
Sasquatchs or whatever.
A murder.

763
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,520
It's a murder.
A murder Sasquatch is like

764
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,840
crows, but it could just, I
mean, in this circumstance, but

765
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,560
it could just be, you know, it's
just a group of them that are

766
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,440
just pissed off and they're
just.

767
00:45:03,020 --> 00:45:06,820
Tired of their all these people
coming in and get in the way of

768
00:45:06,820 --> 00:45:10,260
things.
Maybe with the with the stories

769
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:13,540
that were already perpetuated by
the Native Americans regarding

770
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:19,420
how the wild man came about and
stuff that might have put a a

771
00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:23,020
fear into the locals to where
they'd be more willing to attack

772
00:45:23,020 --> 00:45:25,740
them if they saw them.
Which would lead to that sort

773
00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:30,620
of, you know, aggression,
especially in smart animals.

774
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:33,860
You know, animals that could.
Understand that, you know,

775
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:37,940
humans are bad and they should
be, you know, use extreme force

776
00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:41,300
to get them to leave and stuff.
So depending on the intelligence

777
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:42,980
level of the creatures
themselves.

778
00:45:42,980 --> 00:45:45,940
So yeah, I mean I could see that
it would be more along the lines

779
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:49,780
of a group of them that are just
like anytime they they came in

780
00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:54,740
contact with a human or or saw
them or saw their you know,

781
00:45:54,740 --> 00:45:57,500
heavy equipment or whatever that
they would react in a in a

782
00:45:57,500 --> 00:46:00,870
hostile, violent way.
When I was there, they were

783
00:46:00,870 --> 00:46:04,310
telling us that even 10 or 15
minutes walking in the woods

784
00:46:04,310 --> 00:46:07,710
without somebody who knows where
they're going is enough to get

785
00:46:07,710 --> 00:46:10,070
lost for a really long time.
And like when you look in the

786
00:46:10,110 --> 00:46:14,190
forest there, every single tree
looks exactly like the next

787
00:46:14,190 --> 00:46:16,030
tree.
It really, it would be super

788
00:46:16,030 --> 00:46:20,030
easy to get turned around.
I I, I buy all those stories

789
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:22,870
except for the moose one.
Like they're just in there

790
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:25,230
throwing hands with a moose.
I'm not buying that.

791
00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:28,070
Like that's like.
They're not fighting the moose.

792
00:46:28,070 --> 00:46:30,510
They'll fight a deer, sure, but
not a moose.

793
00:46:30,510 --> 00:46:33,470
Like that's a walking.
That's a walking cow tank.

794
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:36,110
Like that's that's like saying
like, oh, we got Yao Ming,

795
00:46:36,110 --> 00:46:38,350
LeBron James and Shaq.
They're going to go fight the

796
00:46:38,350 --> 00:46:38,790
moose.
No.

797
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:40,990
They're going to get killed.
I don't think they're by.

798
00:46:40,990 --> 00:46:42,190
I don't.
I don't think they're fighting

799
00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:43,590
the moose, dude.
Dude.

800
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:49,030
OK, so I specifically included
this one because of how close it

801
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:53,430
is to my own experience with a
with a Bigfoot, right?

802
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:56,310
And in my experience.
Year though, right.

803
00:46:56,790 --> 00:47:00,390
But I mean, I don't know.
I just pictured it, you know, I

804
00:47:00,390 --> 00:47:04,510
just pictured, I mean who The
one, the thing I saw wasn't that

805
00:47:04,510 --> 00:47:08,390
big, at least from you know what
I remember, it wasn't as big as

806
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:12,430
everyone else explains these
things to be, you know, who

807
00:47:12,430 --> 00:47:14,270
knows the age of the thing I
saw.

808
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:16,990
But these things have been
reported.

809
00:47:16,990 --> 00:47:19,670
I mean, I mean, honestly, these
things have been reported up 20

810
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:24,630
feet, but I mean on average
between 7 and 10 feet tall, I

811
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:26,460
mean.
Right.

812
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:30,580
Four to to £800, right?
So big, big animals.

813
00:47:30,820 --> 00:47:35,660
I mean, you get a big 10 footer,
you know, that takes dumps the

814
00:47:35,660 --> 00:47:38,780
size of me.
I don't know, man.

815
00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:41,100
That might be a pretty good
fight.

816
00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:45,140
Have you ever seen a moose?
Yes, I have seen a moose and

817
00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:46,420
they are ginormous.
Yes.

818
00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:49,500
Have you seen what moose do to
cars when they're angry?

819
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:52,500
Oh man, I saw a video of a moose
get hit by a car.

820
00:47:54,580 --> 00:47:58,310
I don't mean to laugh.
That was, that was nuts, that

821
00:47:58,310 --> 00:48:00,590
thing, Jake, you ever seen that?
Yeah.

822
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:05,750
Years ago I worked at a truck
dealership and they brought into

823
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:08,950
The Body Shop a semi that had
hit a moose and the semi was

824
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:10,820
totaled.
Oh, I'm sure.

825
00:48:11,060 --> 00:48:13,100
And I bet the moose walked off.
No.

826
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:15,100
Actually, the Moose's head was
still up in the wheel.

827
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:16,980
Well, it was.
Not not walking off.

828
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:18,260
No.
No at that.

829
00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:20,780
Time.
No, it was a it was a tie in

830
00:48:20,780 --> 00:48:23,500
that fight.
But still, like, I really don't

831
00:48:23,580 --> 00:48:25,460
like.
Maybe if there were like 8 to 12

832
00:48:25,460 --> 00:48:28,420
of these Sasquatch, maybe they
could manhandle a moose.

833
00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:32,740
But mooses are war machines
where, like, their only natural

834
00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:36,580
predator out there is an orca.
Literally.

835
00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:42,260
I mean, I guess to.
Put credit to the story, they

836
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:45,940
were only following the
footprints of the moose and the

837
00:48:45,940 --> 00:48:48,980
Bigfoot.
They didn't mention if there was

838
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:54,140
other big feet not falling in a
single file line, but maybe

839
00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:56,700
coming in from the sides towards
this thing too.

840
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:59,580
Trying to, you know, come in at
it.

841
00:48:59,780 --> 00:49:01,060
Right.
They didn't specify, but they

842
00:49:01,060 --> 00:49:03,420
were like, Oh yeah, there were
signs of a great struggle.

843
00:49:04,060 --> 00:49:06,820
And then the moose's track
stopped like, Oh my gosh.

844
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,370
OK, so I had to.
I had to Google this real quick.

845
00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:18,970
Just the the natural predators
that hunt moose, wolves, bears,

846
00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:25,650
killer whales, CJ and.
Wolverines, oh Wolverines will

847
00:49:25,650 --> 00:49:27,490
kill everything.
Wolverines kill everything.

848
00:49:27,490 --> 00:49:28,890
They don't care.
Wolverines aren't that big,

849
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:32,490
though, No, but they've been
known to take down freaking

850
00:49:32,770 --> 00:49:35,010
moose.
Yeah, well, you're talking like

851
00:49:35,010 --> 00:49:37,860
a calf.
Actually, a lot of animals will

852
00:49:37,860 --> 00:49:39,580
straight run away from a
Wolverine.

853
00:49:39,580 --> 00:49:43,020
Like there's like a they put a
tracker on a Wolverine once and

854
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:45,900
this Wolverine like went up over
the top of a mountain, killed a

855
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:47,580
whole bunch of stuff and then
came back.

856
00:49:47,740 --> 00:49:49,740
He didn't even eat it.
Like he just went over the top

857
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:51,700
of this mountain to just body
people.

858
00:49:52,580 --> 00:49:58,740
Like was not to fuck me.
It's not about the Honey Badger

859
00:49:58,740 --> 00:50:01,940
anymore, Wolverine.
Wolverine doesn't give no craps.

860
00:50:02,140 --> 00:50:04,220
He's nasty.
He's nasty.

861
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:09,090
Apparently these moose trying to
cross waters.

862
00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:11,610
They get snatched up by killer
whales all the damn time.

863
00:50:12,330 --> 00:50:15,210
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that.
But the like the wolf thing,

864
00:50:15,210 --> 00:50:18,810
they'll attack like sick ones.
Like a a Wolf Pack is not

865
00:50:18,810 --> 00:50:21,530
attacking like a buck who's in
rut.

866
00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:25,930
Like, right, You know, just full
on moose and out.

867
00:50:26,810 --> 00:50:30,410
Right.
Like, it's really, really, it's

868
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:33,290
really, really unbelievable.
Like, just like Moose really are

869
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:35,490
like a powerhouse.
Right.

870
00:50:36,020 --> 00:50:39,340
You know of an animal, they they
beat up cars.

871
00:50:39,380 --> 00:50:42,940
If you can beat up a car,
nothing is taking hands to you.

872
00:50:43,780 --> 00:50:46,620
Gosh.
And there, I mean, just the size

873
00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:50,420
of their rack just lends to how
strong these things are.

874
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:53,820
The fact that they can keep
their head up with a with their

875
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:57,660
rack that frickin big and heavy,
I mean, that's pretty

876
00:50:57,660 --> 00:51:00,460
incredible.
Yeah, that's a lot of, that's a

877
00:51:00,460 --> 00:51:02,940
lot of muscles just in the neck.
I don't know, man.

878
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:08,610
I'm I'm not throwing out the
idea of a Sam Squinch, or at

879
00:51:08,610 --> 00:51:12,370
least like a gaggle of them
taking down a moose.

880
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:15,810
Now if they brought boulders
with them and they were just

881
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:20,290
bashing this thing in the face
with boulders, maybe because it,

882
00:51:20,290 --> 00:51:22,850
like they're known to Sasquatch,
are known to use tools, right?

883
00:51:22,850 --> 00:51:25,810
Like in the there, there is a
lot of reports of it.

884
00:51:25,810 --> 00:51:28,850
Yeah, I mean, I mean, if you
look at all the great apes,

885
00:51:29,290 --> 00:51:33,690
there's very primitive usage of
tools, yes.

886
00:51:34,770 --> 00:51:37,810
So I mean maybe then like if
they were just like, alright,

887
00:51:37,810 --> 00:51:41,130
here's a moose, let's hit him
with that piece of crane

888
00:51:41,130 --> 00:51:44,170
equipment, somebody go get that,
you know?

889
00:51:44,450 --> 00:51:46,970
I just killed a guy with it.
It's clearly good enough to

890
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:50,250
takedown the moose.
Maybe they use, maybe they use

891
00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:53,290
the guy to kill the moose.
They hit, hit the moose with the

892
00:51:53,290 --> 00:51:55,930
guy, and then slammed him
against the crane equipment.

893
00:51:57,650 --> 00:52:01,530
Alright, so if we if we exclude
that story then the rest of them

894
00:52:01,690 --> 00:52:06,290
all seem fairly believable.
I I don't disbelieve the moose

895
00:52:06,290 --> 00:52:07,730
one.
I don't.

896
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:12,370
I I I can definitely tell it it
it'd be very hard.

897
00:52:12,370 --> 00:52:13,290
Yes.
I just.

898
00:52:13,290 --> 00:52:14,450
I'm not.
I'm not.

899
00:52:14,530 --> 00:52:17,570
Jeremy just really wants Bigfoot
to be the next Marvel character.

900
00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:21,490
No, because I hate.
Toss buildings in a single bound

901
00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:26,410
hate with a passion, you.
Hate Marvel?

902
00:52:26,890 --> 00:52:29,570
I do.
I wonder why you're not happy.

903
00:52:29,570 --> 00:52:30,710
Ever.
Yeah.

904
00:52:35,590 --> 00:52:36,630
Yeah.
No.

905
00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:41,270
I I feel like Marvel is just.
You know a DC fan.

906
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:44,510
I am a DC fan.
Yeah, see, I am a DC fan.

907
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:46,950
That's what it is, yeah.
I like the dark stuff, man.

908
00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:50,310
I don't like, I don't like, I
don't like someone jiggling keys

909
00:52:50,310 --> 00:52:52,390
in front of me and it just
doesn't do it for me.

910
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:56,230
I need actual context.
You need the the Zack Snyder

911
00:52:56,230 --> 00:53:00,990
cut.
Yeah, no, not really.

912
00:53:00,990 --> 00:53:03,870
Not the Zack Snyder cut.
I'm not bigger than the movies.

913
00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:05,350
I used to read the comics as a
kid.

914
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:07,750
You said you like it dark.
No, I do.

915
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:09,590
I do like it with DC.
I do like it dark.

916
00:53:09,590 --> 00:53:12,310
I like the boys.
The boys is fantastic.

917
00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:15,630
Have you seen the boys?
No.

918
00:53:16,110 --> 00:53:17,910
I watched the first season, it's
really good.

919
00:53:18,310 --> 00:53:20,950
My gosh, Jake, you have never
seen the boys.

920
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:22,900
I don't even know what you're
talking about.

921
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:24,620
I thought you.
Oh my gosh.

922
00:53:24,820 --> 00:53:28,340
Do you know superheroes?
No, it's on Amazon.

923
00:53:28,340 --> 00:53:30,420
Dude.
You have to watch the boys.

924
00:53:30,580 --> 00:53:32,260
Jake, you'd probably really like
it.

925
00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:36,140
It's it's hard for me though,
because pretty much when I'm

926
00:53:36,140 --> 00:53:38,700
home now I have Logan, so it's
not something I can watch while

927
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:41,140
he's around.
Yeah, Jake.

928
00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:44,420
OK, OK.
Don't watch it around, children.

929
00:53:44,980 --> 00:53:46,380
I don't have any children, so I
know.

930
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:50,800
Just like, you know, just don't.
Right, Jake, don't watch it.

931
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,640
You are children.
That's right.

932
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,200
Oh man.
Oh, this is oh, it makes sense

933
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,320
now.
I've been seeing clips of this,

934
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,800
and I was just like, I don't
know what this is.

935
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,200
Yeah, you gotta watch that.
All right, moving on.

936
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,520
Let's go.
Let's come on back down to

937
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,720
reality here, boys.
This is the last paragraph that

938
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:14,360
I have for the night.
We're gonna meet.

939
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,920
No more moose killing.
No more moose killing.

940
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,000
We're going to, we're going to
hear a little bit of a little

941
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,840
bit of reality on the whole port
lock subject.

942
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,360
And then we're going to, we're
going to wrap her up.

943
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:27,760
All right, you guys ready to
roll?

944
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,080
Larry Baxter outlines a
discussion that he had with

945
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,640
Joseph Carlo, who lived in port
Lock until he was 17.

946
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,960
Joe was able to shine a light on
a few different aspects of both

947
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,200
the town of Port Lock and the
legend of the Not Enough first

948
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,160
being on what life was like
there.

949
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,720
He mentioned how the entire town
had running water but did not

950
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:56,080
have electricity.
The only electricity was a

951
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,200
generator at the sawmill.
This made it very hard for life

952
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,120
there, and if it wasn't for the
fishing and sawmill, the town

953
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,760
would have nothing to exist for.
According to Joe, the sawmill

954
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,240
burned down which caused the
other important buildings to

955
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:15,720
burn, and that is what ended up
chasing everyone out of the

956
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:18,600
town.
Joe does mention that there were

957
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,400
plenty of stories around the
town about creatures in the

958
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,760
woods, but nothing he ever
experienced himself.

959
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,520
The revelation here is that
according to a man who left

960
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,480
Portlock when he was 17, the
town was not abandoned due to a

961
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,160
monster who terrorized the
people.

962
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,520
Rather it was the burning of the
town's number one source of

963
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,030
income and reason.
Although the town burned down,

964
00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:45,310
author Larry Baxter mentions
that he is not upset about the

965
00:55:45,310 --> 00:55:50,230
truth about Portlock Alaska.
Whether or not the town left due

966
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:54,470
to the not knock or not, the
real intrigue about the area is

967
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:57,510
that the creatures were there
before the establishment of

968
00:55:57,510 --> 00:56:00,950
portlock and they will be there
for long after.

969
00:56:01,790 --> 00:56:05,750
And I will have to agree with
the amazing events that happened

970
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:09,760
while Baxter was researching the
area and brilliant history

971
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,560
passed down by the natives.
I just do not see how someone

972
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,040
who enjoys the world of unknown
hairy creatures who stalk the

973
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,240
forests cannot be in love with
such a place.

974
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,920
With that being said, there are
plenty of modern sightings that

975
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,120
have taken place in the Kenai
Peninsula.

976
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,520
In the 1980s, a hunter watched
as a 7 or 8 foot hairy creature

977
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,930
walking on two legs scrolled
across the road, stopped, looked

978
00:56:37,930 --> 00:56:40,610
at him and continued into the
tree line.

979
00:56:41,490 --> 00:56:45,730
In 2004, a husband and wife
watched a hairy biped run across

980
00:56:45,730 --> 00:56:50,570
the road on the Stirling Hwy.
2015 gave us a sighting of

981
00:56:50,570 --> 00:56:54,570
firefighters who are tending to
a local emergency witnessed an

982
00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:58,410
upright hairy creature walking
into the woods after apparently

983
00:56:58,410 --> 00:57:03,910
watching the fire before the
crew showed up. 16 1/2 inch left

984
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:07,510
footprint was found by a hiker
near Moose Pass in 2016.

985
00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:11,870
In 2018 a truck driver reported
two separate individuals walking

986
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:15,670
around his truck while he was
pulled over for the night, and

987
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:19,990
in 2019 a couple were kayaking
and witnessed the Bigfoot

988
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:23,270
holding on to two tree trunks
and shaking them as they

989
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:25,870
approached before walking
further into the forest.

990
00:57:27,070 --> 00:57:30,950
And that is all I have on port
lock and the knock knock.

991
00:57:33,730 --> 00:57:35,650
I mean both things could be true
at the same time.

992
00:57:35,650 --> 00:57:38,330
It could have been in
combination of things.

993
00:57:38,610 --> 00:57:41,490
If that was the case, then yes,
I mean it would be like a

994
00:57:41,490 --> 00:57:43,330
majority of the ghost towns out
there.

995
00:57:43,770 --> 00:57:48,370
That's because like I stated for
earlier, the resources dried up

996
00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:50,850
some.
You know, in this circumstance

997
00:57:51,490 --> 00:57:54,610
something could have taken place
like a fire and then just been

998
00:57:54,610 --> 00:57:56,810
like you know what, it's not
worth it to rebuild.

999
00:57:56,810 --> 00:58:00,670
We're already dealing with.
Enough stuff as it is, you know,

1000
00:58:00,670 --> 00:58:02,990
maybe it was the wrong season
for it.

1001
00:58:02,990 --> 00:58:06,750
You know, winter had set in and
then things start catching on

1002
00:58:06,750 --> 00:58:09,750
fire and it's just like okay, we
need to get out of here because

1003
00:58:09,790 --> 00:58:13,630
you know, if things continue,
we're all going to be frozen to

1004
00:58:13,630 --> 00:58:16,590
the ground type stuff, right?
So there could have been that.

1005
00:58:16,590 --> 00:58:19,710
There could have been hostile
creatures out there, both of

1006
00:58:19,710 --> 00:58:21,590
them could definitely be at the
same time.

1007
00:58:21,590 --> 00:58:24,150
And everyone just kind of called
it and said, all right, we're

1008
00:58:24,310 --> 00:58:32,800
enough is enough, we're out.
I don't one were taking one

1009
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,200
person's point of view from when
he was 17 years old.

1010
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,080
Right.
Did the thing burn down?

1011
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,640
Yeah, I actually found that it
did.

1012
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,280
It did a lot of a lot of places
burnt down in this little

1013
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,240
fishing town.
But I agree.

1014
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,560
I don't.
You know, this could have been

1015
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:58,090
something where tensions were
high and then an accident

1016
00:58:58,090 --> 00:59:01,570
happened and it was just the the
stroller broke the camel's back,

1017
00:59:01,690 --> 00:59:03,850
you know, it was like, all
right, that's it, We're done.

1018
00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:07,690
Fuck this out, yeah?
I'm wondering if like Sasquatch

1019
00:59:07,690 --> 00:59:10,650
or like they operate inside
tribes and not like family

1020
00:59:10,650 --> 00:59:13,490
units, cuz like cuz I know like
guerrillas operate inside family

1021
00:59:13,490 --> 00:59:16,930
units right?
So I'm wondering, yeah, if they

1022
00:59:16,930 --> 00:59:21,150
like if they do tribes.
And like we just have what we're

1023
00:59:21,150 --> 00:59:24,110
looking at as like an overly
aggressive, maybe slightly more

1024
00:59:24,110 --> 00:59:27,110
violent tribe of Bigfoot than
we're kind of accustomed to here

1025
00:59:27,110 --> 00:59:31,030
like mainland US.
So to answer your question,

1026
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:37,790
there are a ton of instances
where people have seen Bigfoot

1027
00:59:38,310 --> 00:59:43,550
working together.
It is well thought that Bigfoot

1028
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:47,700
are in tribes and that the women
and children are near the center

1029
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:51,020
of where the men go out and
stand century.

1030
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:55,900
Now everyone who has who does
field research in the Bigfoot

1031
00:59:56,260 --> 01:00:00,500
comes across this phenomenon
where you hear screaming on one

1032
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:04,500
Ridge and screaming on another
or wood knocks on one Ridge and

1033
01:00:04,620 --> 01:00:07,220
then wood knocks way, way.
You know they're communicating

1034
01:00:07,220 --> 01:00:09,140
with each other very far
distances.

1035
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:13,580
And the title for those
individuals are centuries.

1036
01:00:14,070 --> 01:00:16,790
They call them centuries and
they're doing just like what we

1037
01:00:16,790 --> 01:00:18,790
do, right?
They're watching, they're

1038
01:00:18,790 --> 01:00:21,030
watching.
They're going to alert under

1039
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:24,190
certain circumstances, if you
cross the wrong line and you

1040
01:00:24,190 --> 01:00:26,270
know, the invisible line in the
woods, they're going to let

1041
01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:31,110
everybody know.
They're going to also, as we

1042
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:35,360
have heard through Carter Bush
hard, you know that whole

1043
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,600
counting phenomenon where
they'll set down 5 stones for

1044
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:44,000
five people or make 5 knocks for
five people where apparently

1045
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,440
Bigfoot has a problem with
counting over three, right.

1046
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:53,160
So 123 wait a little bit, 1-2 to
cover the next two in the group

1047
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,160
of five people.
To kind of shorten this up for

1048
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,200
you, CJ, it is well known within
the Sasquatch community.

1049
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,040
Or believed.
Not known.

1050
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,690
We'll go with believed that yes,
they do live in tribes.

1051
01:01:05,050 --> 01:01:09,210
They are not solitary animals.
Now you may see them

1052
01:01:09,490 --> 01:01:13,530
individually because they do
cover ground, like they have

1053
01:01:13,530 --> 01:01:15,530
their responsibilities, you
know.

1054
01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:19,730
And in the inside of this group
or this the century borders,

1055
01:01:19,890 --> 01:01:22,610
there's a group of females and
babies or kids.

1056
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,360
They work together in community.
Yeah, someone I'm wondering that

1057
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,040
in like because like if we look
at like just Native Americans

1058
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,280
specifically, there were tribes
that were like more inclined to

1059
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,920
peace and tribes that would
definitely jump to war

1060
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,920
immediately.
And I wonder like with we're

1061
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:42,320
seeing like a sort of like
regional difference between like

1062
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,680
mindsets between the tribes
we're like down here more

1063
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:51,400
towards like mainland USA like
we have like a a more.

1064
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:54,310
Mild Sasquatch.
It's not really inclined towards

1065
01:01:54,310 --> 01:01:58,670
violence, where we move up there
to a harsher, more unforgiving

1066
01:01:58,670 --> 01:02:00,310
landscape.
Or maybe they're quicker to

1067
01:02:00,310 --> 01:02:03,270
violence.
I was just along thinking the

1068
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:08,590
same thing I was like I wonder
if the fighting with local

1069
01:02:08,590 --> 01:02:13,030
animals say like £1000 grizzly
bear for resources like fish or

1070
01:02:13,030 --> 01:02:16,030
whatever it is, or the berries
and everything, especially as

1071
01:02:16,030 --> 01:02:19,550
everything's trying to fatten up
at the same time, if that.

1072
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,280
Necessity to be more prone to
violence would carry into other

1073
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,560
interactions, like say, dealing
with people in a town.

1074
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,080
You know, if that's something
that could just easily be turned

1075
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,840
off, or if that's just they're
more likely to act in that way

1076
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,880
because of the way that they
have to live anyway.

1077
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,350
Being more aggressive, more
violent, yeah, it could have

1078
01:02:43,350 --> 01:02:46,390
been a fight for resources.
I mean, there could be a very

1079
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:49,790
large community up there, which
means that food has to be

1080
01:02:49,790 --> 01:02:53,390
distributed thinner.
You know, men are out there

1081
01:02:53,390 --> 01:02:57,630
hunting, trapping, tearing down
the forest, that kind of stuff

1082
01:02:57,630 --> 01:03:00,630
that could be pissing them off
and be like, yo, got to feed our

1083
01:03:00,630 --> 01:03:04,470
babies and shit.
I'd rather just pick this little

1084
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:07,390
thing up and slam them up
against his toy and throw his

1085
01:03:07,390 --> 01:03:11,350
body 10 feet away from it.
No no longer worried about that

1086
01:03:11,350 --> 01:03:16,530
one.
Yeah, they could be smart too.

1087
01:03:16,650 --> 01:03:18,810
And they like, realize, like you
don't have to kill them all.

1088
01:03:18,810 --> 01:03:20,930
You just have to kill enough to
scare the rest of them.

1089
01:03:21,890 --> 01:03:25,610
Yeah, maybe they could have been
taking part in in like a hurting

1090
01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:30,650
situation, keeping humans and in
the town of Portlock watching

1091
01:03:30,650 --> 01:03:34,570
the edges and just making sure
everyone stayed in there and

1092
01:03:34,570 --> 01:03:37,450
anybody who did wander out,
Yeah, we would just kill him.

1093
01:03:37,450 --> 01:03:41,370
And that would send the the
story that we wanna portray.

1094
01:03:43,790 --> 01:03:46,190
Or even still, it could have
been the plan to kill every

1095
01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:48,150
single person in there.
And then people are just like,

1096
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:51,710
I'm tired of this, Let's go.
You know, you get a gaggle of

1097
01:03:51,870 --> 01:03:55,310
Bigfoot ninjas, but just go in
there at night and just

1098
01:03:56,070 --> 01:03:58,830
stealthily kill.
Use them as weapons against the

1099
01:03:58,830 --> 01:04:00,470
moose.
That'd be a good movie.

1100
01:04:00,870 --> 01:04:07,270
That's the next Sharknado.
Yeah.

1101
01:04:07,310 --> 01:04:10,510
So that's it, guys.
That's what I have now.

1102
01:04:11,110 --> 01:04:13,750
For those of you that have still
listened, make sure you turn in

1103
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:16,710
next week because we are talking
Larry.

1104
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:20,910
Larry Baxter, He's got some
amazing stories that I did not

1105
01:04:20,910 --> 01:04:22,870
go over because I'm going to let
him do it.

1106
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:28,030
Dan, Danny, you want book
recommendations?

1107
01:04:28,350 --> 01:04:33,310
You want to get this book.
This is abandoned, Abandoned by

1108
01:04:33,310 --> 01:04:36,390
Larry Baxter.
Danny, that is highly

1109
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:39,990
recommended checking out, very
good stuff and obviously it's a

1110
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:41,510
recommendation for everybody
else as well.

1111
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:45,910
CJ, Jake, you guys got any final
thoughts or anything else to put

1112
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:48,710
out?
I'm excited to talk to the

1113
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:50,950
author tomorrow.
I think that'll be cool.

1114
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:54,950
I'll be able to ask him the
questions that are kind of

1115
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:57,650
burning on my mind that.
You know, he'll be able to

1116
01:04:57,650 --> 01:05:00,410
explain in further detail,
especially like, you know,

1117
01:05:00,410 --> 01:05:03,530
should we want to do something
like this, how exactly do we go

1118
01:05:03,530 --> 01:05:06,610
about getting permission or
access or what was the routes,

1119
01:05:06,610 --> 01:05:10,410
things like that?
You know, what did he find

1120
01:05:10,410 --> 01:05:15,570
specifically in his comings and
goings inside that town?

1121
01:05:15,610 --> 01:05:19,650
You know, what does he believe
as far as what really drove the

1122
01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:22,250
people out?
You know, that sort of stuff.

1123
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,600
You know, anything that's kind
of come up since he put it out

1124
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,200
the book.
So yeah, I'm definitely excited

1125
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,640
to speak with him tomorrow.
I think it'll be really cool

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01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,800
episode.
But I think that you you also

1127
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,480
killed this one.
Really good information, really

1128
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,320
interesting stuff, a lot of
death, you know, which is good

1129
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,480
because our listeners are sick
and you know, I brought up some

1130
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,120
good conversation and stuff and
we should have CJ back on some

1131
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,800
more.
I missed that guy.

1132
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,720
Look at him sitting there with
darkness.

1133
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,730
I I I'm very flattered.
I listen to you guys in my truck

1134
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:54,250
all the time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1135
01:05:54,610 --> 01:05:57,290
Nice.
Anyways, rumor is, is that we

1136
01:05:57,290 --> 01:06:00,650
may be changing the format of
Infinite Rabbit Hole slightly.

1137
01:06:00,650 --> 01:06:04,050
You guys probably won't notice
as listeners, but we will hear

1138
01:06:04,050 --> 01:06:07,770
as host.
We may be seeing CJ a little bit

1139
01:06:07,770 --> 01:06:10,170
more.
Yeah, yeah, I'm.

1140
01:06:10,170 --> 01:06:11,730
I'm up for it.
Yep.

1141
01:06:12,370 --> 01:06:16,490
So if you hate CJ, this would be
the place for you.

1142
01:06:18,860 --> 01:06:22,100
Oh my God, Nobody hates CJ.
Nobody hates C.

1143
01:06:22,220 --> 01:06:27,180
Ji wouldn't go that far, Jeremy.
I'll have to have my ex come on

1144
01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:30,620
the show.
Yeah, never.

1145
01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:31,740
Right.
Screw it.

1146
01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:35,300
Let's bring them all.
We'll get CJ and Andrew and Wes

1147
01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:40,900
and and and Ken, Zar and Jeff
and Jeremy and me and whoever

1148
01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:43,140
that other guy was.
That I can never, never

1149
01:06:43,140 --> 01:06:45,260
remember.
Does Wes still hate me?

1150
01:06:46,140 --> 01:06:48,300
Probably.
OK, I have no idea.

1151
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:51,100
It's just we'll just have an
eight person crew.

1152
01:06:51,740 --> 01:06:54,020
Yeah, fuck it.
We have trouble talking over

1153
01:06:54,020 --> 01:06:56,460
ourselves already.
Yeah, but think about this.

1154
01:06:56,460 --> 01:06:59,460
You do.
You only have an episode once

1155
01:06:59,460 --> 01:07:04,220
every eight weeks.
Pretty sweet.

1156
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:08,100
Pretty sweet.
I would have so many built up.

1157
01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:10,700
The backlog would be insane.
Well.

1158
01:07:11,580 --> 01:07:15,860
You can assign people stuff
anyway anyways.

1159
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:17,340
Yeah.
Good episode, Jeremy.

1160
01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:18,620
Good job.
Thanks, man.

1161
01:07:19,460 --> 01:07:22,780
CJ, would you like to put out
information about your podcast?

1162
01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:27,620
I only have Mystery Stones.
Still, Yeah, go ahead, put it

1163
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:29,820
out.
Yeah, Mystery Stone podcast.

1164
01:07:29,820 --> 01:07:36,980
We talk about the woo, woo, the
insides, spirituality, religion.

1165
01:07:37,460 --> 01:07:40,060
Then we dive into the occult and
magic as well.

1166
01:07:40,260 --> 01:07:43,580
And Jake thinks that we're
demons and.

1167
01:07:43,820 --> 01:07:45,220
No.
Yeah.

1168
01:07:45,220 --> 01:07:47,620
Worshippers maybe?
No.

1169
01:07:49,300 --> 01:07:52,980
No, not at all.
But I don't play with none of

1170
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:53,860
that mess.
But.

1171
01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:56,500
That's good.
But yeah, no, that's that's

1172
01:07:56,500 --> 01:08:00,580
pretty much it.
Like, yeah, Mystery Stone.

1173
01:08:01,340 --> 01:08:02,660
Yeah, that's all.
That's it.

1174
01:08:03,020 --> 01:08:04,580
But apparently, that's it,
everybody.

1175
01:08:04,660 --> 01:08:06,860
All right.
Well, thank you for joining us

1176
01:08:06,860 --> 01:08:10,140
on another episode.
We'll see you in the next path

1177
01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:12,700
of the infinite rabbit hole.
Goodbye.

1178
01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:21,359
Bye bye.
I would like to thank you once

1179
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:24,479
again for tuning into the
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1180
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,359
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1181
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:31,399
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1182
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1196
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Until next time travelers, I'm
Jeremy and I'll see you at the

1197
01:09:24,060 --> 01:09:27,020
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infinite rabbit hole.

1198
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:47,420
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