Communion Part 1

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Hey, guys, my name is Kieran and
you're listening to the infinite

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Rabbit Hole.
Keep up the good work, guys.

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Welcome back to the infinite.
Where Ivan whole I'm your host

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Jeremy and today we'll be diving
into part one of our communion

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special.
That's right, Whitley stream and

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his communion story.
I know a lot of people who

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listen to this podcast is a
probably know a little bit if

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not all of this story but we're
going to break it down.

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We're going to talk about it
from our point of view today.

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Since I was not ready for this
whatsoever, I'm going to give

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you a half-ass product and only
do part one.

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After you, wait months for part
two or three or however long

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this ends up being because we're
supposed to have a guest for it.

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But unfortunately, the guests
that we did have for the episode

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planned for today, feeling a
little under the weather.

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We hope he has a speedy
recovery.

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That would be Danny.
That's the surprise.

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Danny was supposed to be here
with us today.

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But if you're out there Danny,
we hope you feel better.

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Man.
But before we get into this

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awesome, fantastic story.
We got to introduce those.

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That will be guiding you.
Through nothing because I'm

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going to be guiding you today.
Jacob, I can't believe you're

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not ready for this.
You're such a slacker.

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Everyone knows that already.
They always hitting up sup in

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the comments being like, gosh, I
wish Jeremy would just do more,

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you know, he's slacks so hard at
this show.

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You have no idea.
Yeah, I just I don't know.

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I definitely wasn't ready to do
it today.

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Good thing is that I've already
proof read this so that's that.

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and I'm about halfway done with
part 2, but How are you man?

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Are you, you know, you just
going to talk shit or I'm

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decent.
I'm just bummed out about the

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show and been absolutely
defeated by the motorcycle

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project wasted a whole bunch of
Time.

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Whitney broker thumb yesterday,
didn't he?

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Yeah, I know she, we're moving
the couch outside because we're

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we threw it away so we can get
new couches delivered and you

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through the couch header?
Well, she was had her side and

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Rammed it straight like corner
of the couch into the doorknob,

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believe in leaving the front
door, and I was like, that

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sounds like she's just she's
talking about today.

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She's like, oh, yeah, really
hurts.

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You know, my, it should.
I go to the doctor.

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I was like, sure.
Yeah, you should probably and

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then she went and she's like,
yeah, turns out a fractured his,

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it's all in a splint on like
that's hilarious.

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That was a good bash for
Whitney.

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Yeah.
Now show.

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She should, she should buff out.
Yeah, I don't know.

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It'll buff out gosh.
Yeah, I mean, broken knee broken

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foot broken thumb.
Like it's been a lot of breaks

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in this marriage.
People are going to start

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suspecting me and I'm like,
listen, she's stronger than me,

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if anything, she's beating me up
in her.

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Well, I hope she has a speedy
recovery to.

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Yeah for sure Whitney's.
It needs an angel she's

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especially since she just got
into Modern Warfare 2.

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So yeah, her coworkers are like
they're like a breaking.

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Your thumb is not an excuse for
getting zero kills, so you're

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going to have to step up your
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All right, moving on Jeff.
Do you even beard, bro?

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Do I beard?
Yeah.

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What do you mean bro?
We look at that.

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It's not Yo, do you trim it?
Yeah, trim it.

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No, come on, man.
You gotta let it go.

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No, no, I can't do this.
Look at this luscious main that

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I have that.
There's a specific reason why I

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can't let it go.
I don't know that I can disclose

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a reason on this show because
this is a family show who work

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at home.
Now I'm going to see you anyway,

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we talked about like the lead
singer mug, no one like 490

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rated. 911, there's a reason.
This is not a family show.

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First of all, And we're a neural
network session.

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Okay.
Here's your imagination because

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it gets stuck in his chest hair
and he wakes up and you just rip

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the wines because you work with
Machinery every day and you're

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afraid it's going to get caught.
Yeah, Scouts chin.

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Yes, yeah.
Sure, sure.

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Yeah.
I think I know why.

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For think about dirty stuff and
you're on the right track.

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I can't disclose the reasons but
it's okay, but I'm doing good.

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Good.
I'm excited to be here sad.

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That Danny's not here but you
know, it is what it is.

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It is what it is and last of all
we're bringing a new voice to

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show.
Well okay it's not a new voice.

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It's a it's same voice but it's
it's improved because she has a

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new microphone kid.
That's true.

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I do have a new microphone.
Do you like it?

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I do.
I'm excited about it.

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Yeah, I got it.
Like squealed.

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When it showed up at the front
door, we sent her a gift and she

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said, she was happy about it.
Very happy about it.

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Yeah.
Super happy.

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She deserves it though.
Because of the day, yeah, there

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we got it for Canada day, which
is in July, but thank you.

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Yeah, it is happy belated.
Canada Day.

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Why thank you?
Yeah.

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Happy American Thanksgiving,
thank you.

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That's when this episode's
coming out so yeah.

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There we go.
So it's been a while we've been

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down.
I know.

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Nobody's going to really notice
Other than having to listen to

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an old episode couple weeks ago.
But I had covid, I still have

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covid.
I still don't feel good.

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Yeah.
Y'all been a bunch of Sickies?

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Yeah.
It's it's going through my house

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right now.
It's everywhere ever.

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Everyone's got it right now.
Everyone staying home from

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school, everyone sick, I'm
finally feeling good enough to

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be able to record this week
which is cool.

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We weren't able to record last
week because I was just I

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couldn't even get out of bed but
without any further Ado On a

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related note though, hmm started
derail it but Whitney got covid.

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And I did not and I mean we were
sucking face, right?

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I mean, we are married after
all.

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So there was there was
definitely some face second and

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somehow bulletproof immune
system, I did not get covid.

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So if you guys get on to our
store especially 16 episodes.

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Drops.
I'm not explaining myself it as

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a cure-all for whatever.
So check it out.

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They're limited edition.
You're not the only one Jake.

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My husband had covid to it.
I didn't catch it.

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There you go.
We're be sounds spin on the

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store.
So, whatever you guys need.

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I'm in addition doors closing.
Yeah, December.

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So that's really hot less which
by the time this episode drop

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should be December 7.
Mr. Chan, sorry guys.

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Bingo Jeff's.
Here's your chance to get some

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cheeks bit.
I'm good.

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I'll pass appreciate it, though.
Healing brush doubling.

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Give it to the next person.
Freeze it and ship it to you.

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There you go.
He'll eat ice pop in and refill

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it up with his own spit.
Yeah.

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Recent do it.
Unless you do it.

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Like how?
We get our Blue Apron meals with

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the big old ice pack
sandwiching, it baggy.

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Oh, Jeff gross.
You're welcome.

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Excuse me.
There's eight minutes and 43

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seconds.
I'll never get back of my life.

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For those who haven't put two
and two together.

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We're also no longer in
paranormal Network.

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They shut down all these.
That's what they told us.

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I see.
They're still posting stuff.

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But yeah, it seems like it's a
lot.

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I don't know.
No, I think we got fired after

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we had Jason on it.
Literally that's nuts.

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Isn't that funny?
Like I shouldn't have said that.

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Maybe it's one of those
synchronicity just talking about

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where I'm just like if you're
hearing this.

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So it means that we haven't been
fired and then literally the

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next day.
So bro, that's you did.

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So actually when you it's a big
It's a combination of that.

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And also, everybody's saying are
we fired yet all the time in the

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group chat?
Now we willed into existence,

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the fire you manifest, you
manifested into reality as much

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as I hate manifestation.
You did it.

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You did it.
Let's make that into a band.

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Name manifest destruction.
Man, it's probably manifest.

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Firing manifest, pink slips.
Anyways, gracious has any of you

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heard of the communion story?
No.

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I mean, I participate in
communion at church but other

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than that, no, not the same
thing.

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No, Ok, good.
No, not the same thing.

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Kid now, really, man, for a
bunch of hosts of a paranormal

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podcast.
You would think we're smart

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Bunch, aren't we safe?
I'm not done the cryptozoology

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side.
Got them smarter cool.

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Part of well.
It's why don't you educate us my

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friend?
Because it's already my bedtime

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Jeffrey.
Getting rid of stuff is weird

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accents coming out, trying to
get the trying to pretend, like

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he's in New York or something.
All right, fine to keep Jeffrey.

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Happy in that area.
He talks like a West Virginian,

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when he's like reading and stuff
and then so I don't have an

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intro.
For this.

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Maybe we'll get an intro for
part 2.

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I don't know.
Someone's getting tribal.

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This would be a long one for you
to do.

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Try dude, you should totally do
tribal music.

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Those whole thing and loop it.
Yes.

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All right, so the just warning
any everybody that's listening

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to this right now, the the first
part is a little long but after

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we get done with the first part
I can almost guarantee you were

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gonna have some some talked
about before we dive into other

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parts of the story, before we
finish up part 1 of the

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communion Story by with the
streamer.

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This is a well-known Own Story.
This isn't something that should

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be new to.
A lot of people believe.

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They even made a movie out of
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Just titled communion, pretty
sure.

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I saw it and it was horrible.
But anyways, without further

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Ado, here is the communion
service or at least part one of

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them.
On the night of December 26th,

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1985 Whitley and, and stripper,
as well as their son were

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enjoying a holiday, stay in the
remote cabin and Upstate New

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York, as Whitley was sleeping in
his bedroom.

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Next to his wife, he was
awakened by A peculiar whooshing

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sound coming from the living
room, Whitley laid, listening as

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the sounds of a group of
strangers.

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Footsteps filled the room as he
began to wake further.

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He started to feel more.
More and more unnerved by the

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thought that someone was in this
house.

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He sat up looked to the security
pad next to the bed and saw that

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no doors or Windows had their
alarms tripped.

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Feeling better about what he
heard and the reassurance that

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no one had entered his house
Whitley laid his head back onto

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his pillow and attempted to fall
back to sleep.

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But his attempts of Slumber
failed.

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And as he opened his eyes, he
noticed that the door to his

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bedroom was moving open,
instantly.

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He sprung back up and realized
that his mind wasn't playing

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tricks on him.
And he witnessed the crack

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between the door and the frame
become larger.

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Whatever was in his cabin, was
just outside of his bedroom.

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And as the door continue to open
the mysterious peeper that was

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just out of sight revealed
itself, a figure stood, Around

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the door frame watching.
Whitley his heart raced, his

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breathing became heavy and sweat
poured out of every pore in his

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body.
The moon's light reflecting off

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of the newly fallen snow on the
ground outside of his uncovered,

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window provided.
Plenty of ambient.

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Light for him to see that this
thing was not a person and was

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only about three and a half feet
tall with the watched as the

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figure slowly revealed more and
more of itself in the Eyrie

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Shadows of his room.
When it was, Was beginning to

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round the corner of his door
frame.

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He noticed that whatever it was.
It was wearing, what seemed to

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be.
Some sort of pointy hat that

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shadowed its face from Whitley's
view.

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As the thing moved closer to
fully showing itself to Whitley,

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two large black.
Seemingly bottomless eyes

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revealed themselves under the
retreating shadow that hit its

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face.
Its mouth was nothing more than

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a dull.
Deep slit, this Intruder was

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wearing what seemed to be a
metallic chest plate and as

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Slowly stepped out of the
protection of the door frame.

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It charged at Whitley.
And the next thing you knew he

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was waking up.
As he was, seemingly floating

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away from the bed, completely
unable to move.

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Whitley describes this event, as
if he was laying down a position

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that resembled being frozen in
mid leap, although he couldn't

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feel anything.
He was certain that something

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was keeping him up.
He goes on to describe that

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during this particular stage of
the night.

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His head was real foggy.
And it was extremely difficult

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to think straight but one thing
that he does remember very

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vividly is the inability to move
or speak at all after being

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taken from his room with Lee
believes that.

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He once again fell back to sleep
because the next thing that

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remembers about that night is
waking up very groggy in the

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woods on a patch of ground with
all the snow removed.

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He was sitting with his hands on
his lap and out of the corner of

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his eye.
He can see a small figure Figure

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sitting with its knees.
Pulled all the way to its chest

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and its arms wrapped around them
whoever or whatever.

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It was were great and bodysuit
and just like earlier, this

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being had large, black eyes and
with the same mouth, only this

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time, it's extremely thin lips,
made an O shape, still unable to

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move more than his eyeballs,
Whitley sat in the cold waiting,

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for whatever, what would happen?
He soon became aware of a second

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figure to his.
Right.

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This one was very active and
very hard to see Whitley

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described it as being nearly
invisible.

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If it weren't for short flashes,
in his peripheral vision, this

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figure seemed to be doing
something with the right side of

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his head, but what that
something was Whitley couldn't

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not tell.
At this point, he also feels

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that there are others around him
as well.

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The two beings that he knew were
there had two completely

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different presences about them.
The one to his left sitting in

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the same depression in the
forest as Whitley.

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Gave him the feeling of a woman.
So Whitley began to refer to

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this.
Being in the feminine, he

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remembers her being small and
nonchalant about the situation

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they were in, but he also
describes the feeling that she

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was attempting to tell him
something.

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The next thing Whitley
remembers, our branches moving

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past his face and then floating
above the trees, still sitting

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in the same position as he was
on the ground.

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He watched, It's a trees fell
further away and a gray floor,

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materialized under him.
As F Heap phased through

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someone's floor, he describes
being in a small Round and messy

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room on top of not being able to
move.

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Whitley felt that he wasn't able
to Pilot his own Consciousness

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anymore, he became terrified to
make things.

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Worse, a large group of these
small beings began running

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around the room with the
describe feeling hopeless began

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to believe that he was being
taken away from his wife and son

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as Whitley fell further into a
recessed part.

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In his mind, he remembers bits
and pieces of his time.

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In this room, the colors.
Were predominantly tan and gray.

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It seemed that he was sitting on
a bench of sorts.

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There were clothes laying
around, and he had a feeling

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that the place was dirty.
The strangest thing that he

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remembered was that when he
attempted to focus his sight on

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one of the beings, the picture
in his eyes seemed to blur and

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distort the more specific
details of their forms.

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One of these beans was Seated on
each side of them.

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And another one stood in front
of them, as they extended a box

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with a sliding lid, towards
Whitley as a box opened, he saw

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a very thin needle like object
laying on a black surface and as

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if he they had responded to his
thoughts.

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Learning what they were going to
do with that needle, it somehow

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became very clear to him that
their intentions were to put it

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in his brain.
Somehow his thoughts rushed out

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of his mouth and he found that
he was able to speak.

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He remembers being very upset
and begging them.

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Not to do what they wanted to
do.

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He imagined his wife waking up
to a man in a vegetative state

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it apparently began to scream
because the next thing he

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remembers is a voice coming from
the being in front of him

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asking.
Seeing him what they could do to

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make him stop screaming his
response to this question.

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Left him as embarrassed.
As you remembers himself saying,

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let me smell you.
The 12 is Right replied?

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Oh okay.
I can do that.

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And raised its arm to Whitley's
nose.

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Whitley claims that the ability
to smell, the being made the

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event feel more real.
He remembers that between the

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cloth that it was wearing and
its skin, the smells reminded

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him of cardboard and a hint of
cinnamon.

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And the next thing he knew there
was a bang and Flash and he knew

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that they had completed their
task of putting that thing into

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his brain.
He started to cry and began to

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fall forward before being caught
by numerous tiny arms.

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Whitney began to feel himself,
gain the ability to move

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slightly and this Consciousness
started to feel normal again.

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But the next thing he knew he
was in a different room laying

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on a table with observation
stands surrounding him with a

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few beings sitting among these
seats.

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Altogether.
He remembers four different

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beings from that night.
One, a being that he described

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as a small robot like being
which first entered his room to

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the next.
He described as short and stocky

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wearing blue coveralls with pug,
like noses and dark gray, or

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blue faces with wide slit
mounts.

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These ones were always around
and he believed that they were

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responsible for moving him.
The third being he discovered in

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the room and looked nothing like
a human.

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At all.
This one was about five feet

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tall and slender their mouths
were extremely small and their

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eyes were large and very deep
black.

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And last ones were small with
very round black eyes.

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These were the ones sitting
around him in the room that he

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was now in the memories of what
happened in this observation

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room or something that Whitley
unfortunately does not remember.

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But after this room, he found
himself in another room once

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again, lying on his back only.
It's time to of the stocky

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creatures, were spreading his
legs and shoved, an enormous

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gray, ugly scaly thing into his
ass.

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During the entire experience.
This is the only time that

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Willie remembers feeling anger
before the entire ordeal was

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over one being grabbed his right
hand and made an incision in the

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next thing.
He remembers is waking up on the

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morning of December 27th.
I was muted, but I was dying at

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what?
Get some shovels us.

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Yeah.
Oh yeah, it's great man.

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You like you like, but stuff,
man.

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Every time we talk about but
stuff you get gets fun.

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Happy it is, let me man.
Okay, so he sleepwalks, he has

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sleep paralysis and very vivid
dreams.

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That's what it sounds like,
right to.

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I mean, anybody, well, I mean,
there's a lot more to the story

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and then there's a lot more
liar.

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Okay.
I'm not saying his wife says,

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what are you doing in China?
And he says, oh, I don't know.

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So you may feel that way
throughout this first part, but

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I'm pretty sure as we get going
through other episodes that we

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will be doing on this story.
Your your your view might change

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just a little bit.
It's part of the illegal drug

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trade.
He has to find a way to cover up

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his activities that have been
going on.

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Why is always missing from home?
And then they reached in, they

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grab a football for meth.
Yeah, out of right.

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ABS, but shove it way up there
waiter?

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There we're past where it gets
warm and we'll start where it

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gets.
Cool.

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Like a refrigerator way up
there.

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Morning, episode 1.
Yeah, don't worry.

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It sounds sounds like this guy's
kind of out of his mind.

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I mean, some of the like Out of
Body Experience stuff.

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Sounds legit, you know, but just
sounds like this guy might be

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out of his mind right now.
We think it either

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hallucinations or like Jake
said, some sleep paralysis and

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the whole nine yards there cuz
This guy just sounds crazy to

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me.
So Whitley strieber is me there.

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There's people on both sides of
this, I mean obviously right and

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there's people that will take a
picture of a blade of grass and

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throw six circles up there
playing the Sasquatches in this

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picture so it's not about it
without the red circles.

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Jeff is I'm tired of this
fucking joke.

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It's going to this fucking joke.
Yeah.

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So there's there's people on
both sides of the Whitley

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strieber fence.
There's DieHard.

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Believers, you know there's just
people that just like the Travis

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Walton story Fire in the Sky.
If any of you guys have ever

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heard that there's people that
die hard, believe it and then

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there's people that will sit
there and fight it till their

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face turns blue.
There is such that movie is a

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decent movie and that's no more.
It's all good.

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There is an entire book written
by a guy named ed Conroy,

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literally dissecting this book.
There's a book about this book.

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Let's just go that like and
Whitley strieber has even made

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communion into a series, right?
Okay.

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So he documents further further
incidents throughout his life,

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this is something that we
probably will be visiting.

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Randomly at some point
throughout the year, the

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communion story kind of just
doesn't end right now.

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It's continue continues to this
day.

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I know a lot of people out there
probably like no doesn't.

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Well the fact of the matter is
that it does the guys got five

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books in this series that a lot
of people don't even know about

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so there's a reason to keep
lying.

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Oh yeah I'm not selling books
dude.

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Come on.
A movie, man.

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You know, I'm not a man.
I don't know because we get into

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some pretty crazy stuff.
Like especially when we get into

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the hypnotherapy part where a
lot of this stuff comes out and

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it's very reminiscent of Jake's
favorite.

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Real movie ever.
The Fourth Kind where Jake being

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absolutely knows that.
It's 100% real.

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Made me crazy with that.
When you're like, no, like they

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have the, the person who was
like, Interviewed and stuff and

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she is an actress.
Like it's the whole thing is

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fake.
You're right when Hollywood

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says, based on true story,
literally all that could mean,

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is that there was a house that
existed on the hook?

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That's all it means.
Everything else could be fake.

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I had to look it up and felt
pretty dumb.

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Yes, you're right.
So, whatever based on a true

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story because owls exist, no, do
they?

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So a lot of the community story
is reminiscent of The Fourth

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Kind or The Fourth.
Kind takes a lot of its story

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from commune.
There's a lot here, a lot and

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trust me we just got started.
So for we jump into anything

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further.
Does anybody else says anything

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else to say?
Yeah, at first, I was really

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stuck on this.
Let me smell you thing.

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But then once it got Kind of
explain their.

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It made a lot of sense and I
thought that was hilarious, but

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he was onto something there.
Just saying, how does he know

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that?
The thing that was shoved into

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his butt was gray and scaly, he
saw it, how felt it?

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He felt it was very gray, the
color gray, Like taste buds on

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on your butthole to so you know
maybe he can taste colors.

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There's that's a thing.
I'm gonna call that BS, that's

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just something I heard.
Did you imagine them playing the

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game be like, okay, what color
is this one?

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Just imagine having taste buds
on your anus.

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Wow tasting shit every time I
know right?

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Holy moly I don't know the
science behind it.

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That's just what I heard.
I know you can funnel alcohol

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into your butt and get
completely sure Maynard.

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Yeah, but that's because it
likes soaks in your skin or

456
00:29:19,708 --> 00:29:22,900
whatever and bypasses your
kidneys from a murdered.

457
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:26,400
Just butt chugging a beer on a
Friday night.

458
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:36,900
That's called poofing.
Fun fact, Jeff anyways, he's

459
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:40,300
like these these people laughing
at my favorite activity.

460
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:43,600
Jeff, we would love your input
here.

461
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:49,600
I just I feel attacked honestly
tells me moving with the boys.

462
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:56,400
It's like it's like it's over
there is like it's not Yeah,

463
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,300
that's not.
Will me in the boys call it?

464
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,100
Yeah, it's called butt chugging
man.

465
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:13,600
Butt chugging cheese.
All right, cool.

466
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:16,300
You guys ready to hear a little
bit more of the story ready?

467
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,100
Yeah, really almost halfway
through already.

468
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:23,400
A third or third.
All right, so let's talk about

469
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,700
the next morning.
Now, one thing to understand

470
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,300
about the situation is that
Whitley did not remember the

471
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,300
events of the night of the 26th
right away.

472
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,700
That would come later.
Well, what he did, remember,

473
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:39,800
very vividly was a time during
the night that a barn owl sat on

474
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,200
his roof outside of his window
and stared at him.

475
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:45,700
The first thing he did that
morning was go to the window and

476
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:48,700
look at the spot.
The owl had been sitting but

477
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:52,600
there were no signs.
The owl was never there no

478
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,700
tracks or indent in the newly
fallen snow.

479
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,100
After relaying the event with
the owl to his wife, she quickly

480
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:02,300
dismissed it as a simple dream,
since there were no traces of

481
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:05,800
such a critter.
Before we continue, I want to

482
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,500
bring up a topic that is very
common in Alien Abduction.

483
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:11,500
Stories, we have mentioned the
phenomenon called screen

484
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:15,300
memories a few times on the show
and I have plans to do an entire

485
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:19,400
episode or series of episodes on
the phenomenon sometime in 2023.

486
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:22,000
But for now, I'll just Give you
a short description, what a

487
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,400
screen memory is in many
Recollections of victims of

488
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,200
alien abduction events.
Before the memory of the true

489
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,700
event is revealed by means of
hypnotherapy or the natural

490
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:34,800
regaining of memories.
A remembrance of a specific

491
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:38,900
object or animals remembered as
a very odd and or unique,

492
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:42,600
visitor to the victim screen.
Memories, are thought to be a

493
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,300
blocking mechanism that the Mind
uses to protect the sanity of a

494
00:31:46,308 --> 00:31:49,600
victim, the either witnessed or
live through a traumatic

495
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,200
experience.
Another theory is that these

496
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,000
memories are left by the
visiting entity as a way to

497
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,200
protect their actions from
recognition from their victims.

498
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,400
Among many of these screen
Memories.

499
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,700
The most common symbol
remembered is an owl or a group

500
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:08,400
of Outlaws more on this subject.
The future episode in the

501
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,600
Ravenel.
Now, later, that same day with

502
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,200
the and his wife are coming home
from a short trip across of

503
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,900
cross-country, skiing, when
Whitley was overcome with a

504
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:21,000
chill and exhaustion, he would
head to the room and A down

505
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,900
bundle up in a quilt as he was
laying there.

506
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:27,200
Freezing, their neighbor stopped
by and Whitley would get up and

507
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,400
talk with them alongside his
wife.

508
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,300
And as if he didn't have control
of his speech, he reiterated a

509
00:32:33,308 --> 00:32:37,000
memory from the night prior of a
snowmobile light in the woods,

510
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,100
between their houses with, he
was shocked that he was

511
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:42,800
discussing, something that he
clearly didn't actually

512
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,000
remember.
But instead, had a very hazy and

513
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,500
distant memory of an event that
he didn't actually feel like he

514
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:53,600
witnessed This event really
concerned, Whitley as he felt as

515
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,300
if he was not in control of his
own speech, thoughts or memory

516
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,500
so much shorter than the last
one.

517
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:07,700
What are you guys?
So you're saying that he didn't

518
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:12,400
remember, it not right away till
he was writing a book about it.

519
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:17,500
Is that what you're saying?
Also, owls, just like The Fourth

520
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:20,700
Kind.
That's super realistic movie.

521
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:28,300
Anyways so as we dive more into
alien abduction stories, you

522
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:32,600
guys will see a common
denominator when it comes to

523
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,600
screen.
Memories owls and happens all

524
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,900
the time, there is a bad news, I
was equal.

525
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:47,600
Gray scaly things up your butt.
What if maybe it's enough and

526
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:56,500
this is great, it was an owl.
What about in areas where people

527
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:58,700
have never seen owls before?
Hmm.

528
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:00,700
Because owls don't exist
everywhere.

529
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:07,800
Yeah, in those, those Lanes of
Africa, no, no in the plains of

530
00:34:07,808 --> 00:34:16,300
Africa, they see barn owls.
Yeah, I was going to say yeah I

531
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:20,300
mean it's interesting because I
mean there's like some occult

532
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:22,199
connections with owls and stuff
right?

533
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:27,400
But maybe this guy is having
some altered state of

534
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,000
consciousness, right?
We've been talking about this

535
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,600
with the Gateway process stuff,
right?

536
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:36,400
Maybe he is having some form of
altered Consciousness event

537
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:42,000
called astral projection, or
Weird sleep, paralysis or

538
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,400
whatever it is, it sounds like
you might be having this and he

539
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,400
might be actually communicating
with some entities while in this

540
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,199
state as well.
Because that, you know, I mean,

541
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,000
think about like the Bohemian
Grove, right?

542
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,600
The right.
How the moloch the statue

543
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,300
moloch?
Yes.

544
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,000
And like there's just a lot of
that and the owl is everywhere,

545
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000
even in like pop culture.
It's kind of like spread around.

546
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,900
So if you're in the conspiracies
you know you see an owl and

547
00:35:08,908 --> 00:35:12,800
you're like oh shit cuz Their
head turns all the way around.

548
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,600
They see everything.
That's why there's a lot of

549
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,400
theories of why shit but I think
that it's it's the same thing.

550
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,900
Like when you're there's a lot
of people that talk about seeing

551
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:28,500
like the elves right in the DMT
realm, when you take Ayahuasca

552
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,400
and DMT at, I think it's like
the same kind of thing.

553
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:32,300
When you're in this altered
state of consciousness.

554
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:35,300
Everybody's kind of seeing an
entity or communicating with a

555
00:35:35,308 --> 00:35:38,500
type of entity and the only
thing that they can say like it

556
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:40,900
is is like an owl.
Looks like an Now, we'll right,

557
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:45,000
so the owl becomes this thing
and people around the world

558
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,500
might see that same thing.
So, here goes a question, right?

559
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,400
You brought up you brought a
couple of really good points and

560
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,200
I honestly thought you were
going to go down this path,

561
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,400
especially after the Gateway
process episodes.

562
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,000
This is actually a pretty good
good follow-up to that for those

563
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,000
who don't really have a
interest, let's say in

564
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,700
ufologists, he or aliens elves,
you know, if you saw Saw one of

565
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:13,700
these creatures.
And one of these things that

566
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:20,700
Whitley is explaining as Little
Green Men, Elves fit, fit it,

567
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:24,600
right, but if you're somebody,
who is interested in this

568
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,900
haven't said this yet, but
Whitley strieber is also a

569
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:37,700
science fiction writer that goes
into.

570
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:42,000
Like I forgot what episode of
was, when I like blew the lid

571
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,700
off of, you know, UFOs and
aliens and all that sort of

572
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:48,200
stuff and talked about how
Hollywood's influence.

573
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:51,400
Based off of what movies they
put out.

574
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:56,200
Was then shown in people's
Visions when they saw the

575
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,900
aliens, like Hollywood puts out
grey aliens with big eyes and

576
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:02,300
then suddenly, you get an influx
of people saying that they saw a

577
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,800
gray aliens with big eyes, but
prior to that, no one ever said

578
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,400
that.
And so it's like, well, I mean,

579
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,800
if you're already involved in
all that stuff then it would

580
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,100
make sense that that's what you
saw when you were dreaming or

581
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:20,200
what you made up that you saw.
Right and you know, to be fair

582
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:26,000
Close, Encounters of the Third
Kind. 1977 and the story is from

583
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,900
86, I believe is the year that
Whitney was having these These

584
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:35,100
Dreams nightmares whatever you
want to call, right?

585
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:36,900
Yeah.
Because, I mean, I have

586
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:40,800
nightmares about work, you know,
doing paperwork and stuff.

587
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,400
You know, his work is science
fiction writing.

588
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,800
Of course, you can have dreams
about it but you know what, I'm

589
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000
what I'm saying.
You know, that's a good question

590
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,800
was Whitley.
Doped up man.

591
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,100
Was he Doing Ayahuasca and Maine
probably not DMT.

592
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,400
Maybe mean, you know, you don't
you don't do Ayahuasca unless

593
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,100
you're in a sweat lodge.
That's like no, but your brain

594
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:06,800
abscess whole thing.
This is something that your

595
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:12,400
brain can produce the same the
same chemical reaction, right?

596
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:18,000
So like, he could have just been
in a deep sleep and had like

597
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,600
just for whatever reason is
brain fired off.

598
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,600
More of the shit that makes you
dream, right?

599
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,300
And like, he could have been
having this real connection, a

600
00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:33,500
real Consciousness, altering,
deep, sleep, and some renzi's

601
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:37,200
area.
Sorry, I'm we, as of as of us

602
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,300
recording this we haven't
recorded the next part of

603
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:44,100
Gateway but I'm sure you've
browsed ahead in the document.

604
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:48,500
Jeremy saw that there's a
section for REM sleep so I may

605
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:52,100
or may not have there's some
connections with with I'm

606
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:57,900
sleepin like the astral realm so
maybe he is, I take back what I

607
00:38:57,908 --> 00:39:03,000
first said about him being crazy
as you were reading through that

608
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
part, that's kind of what I was
thinking too.

609
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,500
Like this could be Some serious,
REM, even maybe not even sleep

610
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:18,300
paralysis, but some serious REM.
Well, I'm gonna be honest with

611
00:39:18,308 --> 00:39:22,400
you without doing the Gateway
process stuff that we've been

612
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,600
doing.
I honestly thought this was a

613
00:39:27,607 --> 00:39:32,300
really cool probably stretched
out, you know, the truth is

614
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:37,300
stretched out a little bit alien
abduction story but who knows

615
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:39,700
maybe his brain waves were just
all synced up, man.

616
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,500
Good possibility.
You're right, maybe probably

617
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:48,600
not.
It was probably meth, but

618
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,800
probably we need to science
fiction writers.

619
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,500
What do people usually do in any
sort of art form in order to get

620
00:39:56,500 --> 00:40:01,100
more inspiration drugs?
Yeah, drugs and Charlotte things

621
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:05,300
up there.
S, lots of drugs, tons of drugs,

622
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,400
some of the best artists in the
weight of this whole experience.

623
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,000
Could have just been that.
Maybe he just took drugs.

624
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:13,800
And ended up at like some weird,
swinger orgy.

625
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:22,800
And there was this guy, this guy
had a sculpture of a of a dragon

626
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:29,900
egg and shoved it up my butt.
Tasted gray and pain is one time

627
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:34,100
long ago, 10 years ago or more,
maybe now I you know may have

628
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:38,200
done something and then like the
next morning I found a receipt

629
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,000
for Joe's Crab Shack and I like
I could vaguely remember this.

630
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,900
A if you're going to black out
any place Joe's Crab Shack right

631
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,800
except for when you saw the
total on the receipt and I was

632
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,600
like oh right so but yeah I mean
it's possible, maybe that's

633
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,000
happened.
Maybe he just had a rager and

634
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,700
just woke up the next day and
just totally mixed up the memory

635
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:03,500
and he's like, oh my God, paired
ended up triple dosing himself,

636
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,700
it's guys watching Game of
Thrones.

637
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:07,100
And when they bust out the
dragon egg, he's like sweating.

638
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:17,100
Looking at the screen having
flashbacks from that one looks

639
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:20,400
black, but it looks like it.
Probably tastes purple talking

640
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,600
to this cycling, like I don't
know why I had such a crazy

641
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,500
anxiety, attack watching Game of
Thrones.

642
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,000
This is going to be a fun
series.

643
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,600
Are you guys ready for some
more?

644
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:40,000
Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah.

645
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,700
All right.
The symptoms of evidence through

646
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:48,900
the upcoming weeks, Whitley's
attitude, really, deteriorated

647
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:52,300
towards his wife and son, he
became very concerned over the

648
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:54,200
memories that he believed were
not his.

649
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,000
He began to believe that they
were false memories.

650
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:00,600
Whitley soon noticed that a cut
on one of his four fingers was

651
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,200
becoming agitated and showing
signs of infection.

652
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,400
Although he doesn't remember it.
He believed that he must have

653
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,600
gotten a splinter from the wood,
he had to bring into the cabin,

654
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:13,000
along with the Pain.
Throbbing from an injury to his

655
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,100
finger that he did not remember
getting Here you go.

656
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:19,700
Jake.
Whitley also began suffering

657
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:22,000
soreness in and around his
butthole.

658
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:26,400
Bouts of fatigue and flu-like
symptoms became a regular

659
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,000
occurrence and although he knew
he was getting plenty of sleep,

660
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,400
he would wake up feeling as if
he had gotten no sleep at all.

661
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,500
Whitley began to start feeling
as if he was being watched, he

662
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:40,000
would hear sounds on the
darkness of his room at night.

663
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,400
It would no longer have dreams
while he was asleep.

664
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,100
He became withdrawn.
And weary of everybody as if

665
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:49,600
they were all against him, he
failed to be able to focus on

666
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,600
anything for longer than 10
minutes and his relationship

667
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,200
with his Wife and son were
really falling apart.

668
00:42:56,500 --> 00:43:01,100
On January 3rd.
During a short skiing stroll

669
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:05,800
with his wife, Whitley began,
having a very dull pain behind

670
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,300
his right ear as his wife,
examine the area, she noticed

671
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:12,100
that a very small scab was dead
center in the middle of the area

672
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:15,900
that Whitley was complaining
about shortly after Whitley

673
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:19,200
began remembering short and
Vivid memories of the night.

674
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:22,600
That would change his life.
These scared him and as the

675
00:43:22,607 --> 00:43:26,100
memories became longer and more
intense, will they begin to

676
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:28,700
believe that he may be harboring
a brain tumor?

677
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:33,100
The symptoms lined up perfectly
with when he began to receive

678
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:36,000
traces of the smell that he
believed came from the memories

679
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,300
of alien beings.
He waited.

680
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:41,200
As he did not want to believe
the fear that was racing through

681
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,900
his mind.
And he often cried the later on

682
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:48,400
the third with these wife
brought a newspaper article from

683
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,500
the Middletown, New York
recorder newspaper, that

684
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:54,800
describe the sightings of many
locals that saw unidentified

685
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
lights in the sky and the
previous night's.

686
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,300
Although the newspaper claimed
It was all a hoax.

687
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:03,800
This became very serious to
Whitley as began, to believe

688
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,500
that his false memories from the
hypothetical tumor in his head,

689
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,900
we're actually true.
The memories of the cut on his

690
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:13,100
finger.
The pain in his butthole, in the

691
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:14,600
throbbing behind.
His right ear.

692
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,800
All began to become much more
real The 18 year old son of one

693
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,000
of their neighbors claimed that
on the night and late December,

694
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,800
he had witnessed a large
something hovering in the sky,

695
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,200
just five miles away from the
streamers cabin.

696
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:31,100
The boy never claimed that it
was a stereotypical UFO, Only

697
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:34,300
that it was not something that
he recognized huge, it had

698
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:37,300
lights all over it, it appeared
to be a solid object in the

699
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:42,400
night sky.
So the initial dream that he had

700
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,000
or the initial experience that
he had, he was sitting in the

701
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,100
woods and it cleared out spot
snow was gone and he remembered

702
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,200
them doing something to the
right side of his head.

703
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:59,700
They also jammed a needle.
And to the right side of his

704
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:04,800
head, they made an incision on
this finger and they shoved

705
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,400
something up his butt way up
there.

706
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,600
Oz.
Yep.

707
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,700
Or butt chugging.
I want to make a connection well

708
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:22,800
chugging for sure he's saying
big eyes blue or green skin or

709
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,500
gray gray, right?
Dealing with buttholes.

710
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:36,400
Okay, Kappa don't do it all the
way done was their body water.

711
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,900
They're probably it was in
Maine.

712
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,500
And probably on a lake.
Yeah, holes done.

713
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:48,700
It was it a splinter or a cut?
Because those are two different

714
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:51,100
things.
No, he said he believed he had a

715
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:56,400
splinter.
That's, that's where Hey buddy,

716
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,700
bear with us while we take this
quick break.

717
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:06,600
He was trying to make up reasons
reasons for the issues that he

718
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,500
was going through trying to
rationalize it, right?

719
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:12,200
You never had a splinter, you
never saw a splinter, but he

720
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,400
believed that he may have had a
splinter from one of the times

721
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,000
they need to bring wood into the
cabin.

722
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,800
Because I mean, like I very
active lifestyle like building a

723
00:46:21,808 --> 00:46:23,700
motorcycle all kind of stuff,
right?

724
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:28,200
And I cut myself all the time
and I'm not like living in an

725
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,000
area where I have to like get
firewood and stuff but I imagine

726
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,400
you'd be susceptible Edible to
some sort of injury is and I

727
00:46:34,408 --> 00:46:38,000
usually don't know that I have
like a little hairline cut or

728
00:46:38,008 --> 00:46:40,900
something like that until I get
something in it, like acetone,

729
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,700
right?
Or something like that.

730
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,800
And then on my wow, that really
sucks.

731
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:48,800
But, you know, if your your
hands are constantly dirty than

732
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,800
a really, any level of cut could
become infected because it's

733
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,900
just about having an exposed
wound and then getting stuff in

734
00:46:56,900 --> 00:47:01,900
it and then not noticing it, I
mean, I don't know.

735
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:04,200
I don't think that that's a huge
deal.

736
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:09,900
Brain tumor thing, I mean, that
sucks.

737
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:13,900
If he has a brain tumor volume,
he originally thought that that

738
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:16,000
was the case.
I mean, honestly, I feel like

739
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,900
that's a pretty easy comparison,
you know?

740
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:22,300
That's, that's something that
you could easily come to.

741
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:26,400
If you're having issues like
this, you know, like before the

742
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,600
brain, tumor part came up, it
actually to me started sounding

743
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,500
like this guy's got a little bit
of split personality going on.

744
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,200
Hmm.
And he has, he's waking up

745
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,500
feeling exhausted. stood like
that because he dissociates and

746
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:47,200
is the other person and doesn't
realize it and goes off.

747
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:53,300
And Gallup grants to in his butt
stuff and then comes home

748
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,200
exhausted.
Once wakes up Whitley again.

749
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,500
His wife's like where are you
going?

750
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:05,100
We're going with me.
And he's like the names.

751
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:07,400
Dave, honey.
Yes, into the night.

752
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,700
I have to go to ride.
My snowmobile.

753
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,100
Captain Warren whole.
Yeah.

754
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,700
Remember that movie Me Myself
and Irene.

755
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:28,400
Yes.
But whole chin itself and with

756
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:39,000
thee.
This come from, that wasn't for

757
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:45,900
me very well.
We have fun here.

758
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,700
Good.
Well, what the hell?

759
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:50,600
The way we had to taper it down
and be so professional for so

760
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,800
long.
Now, it's just letting it go.

761
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,900
I know it's more organic this
way.

762
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,500
All right, you guys ready for
some more then?

763
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:02,700
Yeah, I'm ready for more.
That was good.

764
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:08,700
Jeff, very good.
All right, an area of Sky, High

765
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:12,800
strangeness, all of the events
that have been happening to and

766
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,400
around, Whitley in his wife and
cause them to begin, looking

767
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,000
further into the phenomenon.
On the local scale, one of ants,

768
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,300
close friends, even admitted to
the couple that 1953.

769
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,200
When she was only nine years
old, she had witnessed the UFO

770
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,000
at the camp.
Not 10 minutes away from their

771
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,700
cabin, the strippers would find
out that the area they spent

772
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:36,300
half of their time at was a UFO,
hotspot, to say the East,

773
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:40,600
according to Whitley in this
book communion the area, where

774
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,200
their cabin was in, Upstate New
York that comprise a wedge

775
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,400
Westchester orange, Putnam,
Rockland, Ulster counties,

776
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,200
starting in 1983, thousands of
people have come forward from

777
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,100
many different backgrounds and
professions about unidentified

778
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:58,100
phenomena in the skies,
meteorologists.

779
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:01,900
FAA employees police officers,
and privates.

780
00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:05,400
Name a few one, meteorologists
have been quoted in a New York

781
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,700
Times.
Article from April 17th 1983.

782
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:12,200
Recounting his experience with a
craft that hovered about 100

783
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,200
yards of his position and the
sense of being scanned and

784
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,000
rejected the official narrative
by the press and local

785
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,800
government about this flap of
UFO.

786
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,300
Sightings ranged everywhere from
test, craft tricksters, playing

787
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:26,100
jokes on the public.
Even with thousands of reports

788
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:30,000
blowing flowing into multiple
sources throughout the area.

789
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,000
Many different entities for
quick, to blame the events on

790
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,700
something else.
All right, guys.

791
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,900
So nice, flap usage.
You like that?

792
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,000
I do.
I put that in there for you.

793
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:44,500
Thank you.
You're welcome here.

794
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:48,700
That Asher's flap?
Wow, Asher's flap.

795
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,400
When's the last time you sent
her a flat message, I'll do you

796
00:50:52,400 --> 00:51:01,100
one doing tonight.
So, what do you guys think this

797
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:04,100
place is a known UFO?
Hotspot, and I did some

798
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:08,800
research.
It is, there's, you know, even

799
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:14,000
from past the time when Whitley
was supposed to be having this

800
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:19,900
experience or these experiences
in this area, this is a known

801
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,800
UFO.
Hotspot, Upstate New York where

802
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:29,100
these counties all meet this is.
Good place to take out the

803
00:51:29,107 --> 00:51:32,600
telescopes or sit on top on the
roof at night and watch this

804
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,300
guy's.
So I've said it before, and I'll

805
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:39,800
say it again, I think that, you
know, there's a reason that

806
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,000
there's hot spots for all this
shit and that's because that the

807
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,200
Earth is got hot spots for shit,
right?

808
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:52,000
So it's possible that being in
that area in this hot spot right

809
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,000
in this place and time, you're
just more likely to experience

810
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,000
some weird Consciousness
altering phenomena, right?

811
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,300
This, your in this portal, House
is built there, whatever.

812
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:07,500
And this portal my move, I think
that this might be why the

813
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,400
Ancients built, you know,
temples and shit.

814
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,200
Where they built them was
because that's where these areas

815
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:16,500
were at the time and they move,
you know.

816
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:21,600
So now over here, it's a UFO
hotspot because with our

817
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,900
analytical minds and with our
like the way we look at the

818
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:28,300
world and how we've built
technology, right?

819
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:30,300
We look at shit like that,
right?

820
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:33,800
So any time you see some weird
phenomenon this guy you're like

821
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:36,900
Like, that's an alien spacecraft
and it's like, no, no.

822
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,600
They whatever, you're thinking
of, as an alien doesn't operate

823
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,300
like that, right?
Like, it's in your mind or

824
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:46,200
Consciousness, Dimensions weird,
interdimensional stuff.

825
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,600
Like you're just in a spot where
it's more active.

826
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:55,500
Hmm.
So I am looking at a Ley line

827
00:52:55,500 --> 00:53:01,200
map and there is a really big
cluster, right?

828
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,800
Near Buffalo.
Buffalo New York.

829
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,100
I'm curious.
I haven't looked on a map yet to

830
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:14,400
see where let's say these
counties are going to look it up

831
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,800
real quick and see if I can't.
Yeah that kind of that kind of

832
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,500
research right there is super
interesting to me like let

833
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:27,000
overlaying locations for stuff
with ley-line maps and who knows

834
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,100
how accurate like random
ley-line maps you can find on

835
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:35,700
the internet or whatever.
But so, actually Putnam county

836
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:39,800
is not too far from New York
city, so it's not that close to

837
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:49,800
It wouldn't be necessarily.
You know, Al a line intersection

838
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:54,500
ale line goes over it, but it's
not an intersection area.

839
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:59,800
So, I don't disagree entirely
with Jeff.

840
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:09,100
Although these days, I mean
who's to say, you know at night

841
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:14,200
that what you're seeing is a
quote unquote, UFO, or UAP, or

842
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,100
whatever it is.
I mean we see the displays they

843
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:21,000
do these days with drones and
stuff like that, making crazy,

844
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,400
like light shows and stuff in
the sky and everything.

845
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,700
I mean who's to say that it's
not a big old drone that's

846
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:30,900
flying over just to trick people
out and more seed, the idea love

847
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:35,400
like aliens and UFOs and stuff
versus demonic activity, which

848
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,200
it, most certainly is.
So, don't buy the Drone thing,

849
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:45,000
like who's going out there and
putting the effort to I don't

850
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,500
mean like a like an individual
know.

851
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:50,000
I know I get it.
Local government.

852
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,200
I don't know.
Big government.

853
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,500
That's who's to say that who's
to say that a drone can't can't

854
00:54:56,500 --> 00:55:01,200
fly.
I mean, they just I saw a thing

855
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,600
on LinkedIn.
I think it was a Lockheed put it

856
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,700
out something about like the
first drone stealth plane.

857
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,400
So if you got to think it's
stealth bomber with drone

858
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,100
capabilities, that could
possibly have drones right that

859
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:19,600
the M Q8 s.
We saw those in our in our last

860
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,100
command.
So who's to say those can't go

861
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:25,800
100 miles Tethered to wherever
they're being controlled by and

862
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,200
stuff like that.
And people say those in there,

863
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:33,900
just like aliens, the Navy, has
the Triton, which is a drone

864
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:36,200
airplane.
I don't know if it's stealth.

865
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:40,300
I don't know what the designator
is for either.

866
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:46,600
Or I can try to find it out real
quick, but I mean it's not

867
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:52,500
necessarily like a the mq4
Charlie it's by Northrop but

868
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,400
it's not like one of the
hovering drones is like a

869
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,400
straight plane drone, right?
I don't know man.

870
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,800
And that's one of the big
hiccups that I have for Project

871
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,800
Blue beam, right?
Is who's going to put in that

872
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,700
kind of effort.
I know Jeff's gonna be like Fuck

873
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:12,200
government.
Does dumb asses, right?

874
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,400
Been telling you.
Look at the composite just cost

875
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,100
was great.
Now, it's no man, I just are now

876
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:21,600
if sorry, not the cost, if the
reward was great.

877
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,200
Now let's must listen.
You don't what?

878
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,800
You don't understand.
What will you do understand?

879
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,700
You're not thinking about is the
Surplus, you're not thinking

880
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:32,000
about this.
The end of the year Surplus or

881
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,500
the end of the quote.
I don't know how they do it in

882
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:34,900
the military but you know what
I'm saying?

883
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,700
Right over first.
Yes, your departments going to

884
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:40,300
get X dollars, right?
That you've requested.

885
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,100
And for whatever programs you're
doing right now, should we

886
00:56:44,107 --> 00:56:47,200
didn't really need this much but
we can't tell them that in fact

887
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,600
anymore.
Right.

888
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:54,200
So we gotta finish it after like
70 years of that right now.

889
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,100
Here we are.
That's why we're in trillions of

890
00:56:56,107 --> 00:56:58,400
dollars with the dead because
billions and trillions of

891
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,800
dollars just getting fed into
these black budget programs,

892
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,900
that nobody knows about to do
all kinds of random weird shit.

893
00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:06,600
Just like this, for no reason at
all.

894
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,600
Other than just, let's see what
happens.

895
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,500
You know, that Whitley guy.
Why?

896
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:17,000
So let's take them to shove
something up his butt or

897
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,700
implanted memories inside of his
head that.

898
00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:20,800
Yeah, exactly.
He got something shoved up his

899
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:26,500
butt or that, you know, he just
got his brain wired around.

900
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:29,700
So he's shoving things in his
own, but waking up being like

901
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:31,900
why is my butt hurt and why is
my fist smell?

902
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:38,400
Like but you know, let's
convince the right hemisphere

903
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,800
Whitley's brain that his butt
hurts.

904
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,400
Okay, but it doesn't, you they
could do it, right?

905
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,600
We know that they could do it.
And who's to say, they can't do

906
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,100
it.
Remotely from, like, a van

907
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:49,900
parked outside, or a satellite,
right?

908
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:52,100
Or whatever.
Plane flying overhead or a

909
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:56,000
spacecraft.
Well, see you never saw her.

910
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:59,700
I was just gonna make this
really simple and say, he's just

911
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:04,300
fucking crazy.
I personally don't think that

912
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:07,200
that's the case.
I mean it's to make up a story

913
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,200
and wanted to feel special.
I want everybody else is having

914
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,300
Alien Encounter.
Actors.

915
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:15,600
I'm I'm a Sci-Fi writer.
Why can't I have an Alien

916
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,200
Encounter?
Exactly, exactly.

917
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,200
Do something with just a crow.
You.

918
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,500
I'll step one up.
Yeah, they shoved a fire.

919
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:26,500
Hydrant.
My, but who exactly, is this guy

920
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:28,600
is just crazy and wants
attention.

921
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:32,400
I do have to say though, I don't
know if I actually put this out

922
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,800
on the show to ever talk about
like the seal that shot Bin

923
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,600
Laden on here.
Okay, I watched I watched like a

924
00:58:40,607 --> 00:58:43,800
2-hour thing two-and-a-half-hour
thing on YouTube about it, and

925
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:49,300
it was, basically, this guy was
talking about like, the whole,

926
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,100
the whole thing.
The whole shebang, this is how

927
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:53,600
we did it.
You know why one helicopter

928
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,200
crashed, you know, all that sort
of stuff?

929
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,000
He said that, you know, it was
really brief.

930
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,400
Maybe it was like a three-minute
thing.

931
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,300
I think I took a screen
recording of it and I sent it to

932
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:08,800
you guys but he said that the
pilots who flew the jurors that

933
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,000
when they were their briefing
Obama in the in the White House

934
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,900
that they he was getting all
like the full scope.

935
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:18,100
This is what we're going to plan
to do.

936
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:23,400
This is where we believe that,
you know, the guys at and then

937
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,300
this is who were going to send
all that sort of stuff there in

938
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:29,700
the briefing room and Obama
says, okay.

939
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:31,600
Well that's it.
You know, or something?

940
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,400
How you going to get there?
And he said, well, that's the

941
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,200
other thing and then they
briefed Obama on these super

942
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,300
duper stealth.
Black Hawk helicopters that he

943
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:44,300
had never heard of before.
And they said this is what we're

944
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:47,300
going to use the pilots who flew
those helicopters had.

945
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:50,400
Never seen them before.
They knew the functions of the

946
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,200
helicopters, because it was a
Black Hawk variant.

947
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:56,700
But they had never seen these
helicopters before they were so

948
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:59,500
quiet that they got into the
compound.

949
00:59:59,700 --> 01:00:03,700
And the only time that the bad
guys knew that they were there

950
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:08,700
was when they put blast charges
on the doors and you know how

951
01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:11,200
loud those things are.
We both worked on, you know,

952
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:13,800
60s.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of

953
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,900
like how so like at Mac and and
the guys like, how is that

954
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:18,900
possible?
He's like, I don't know.

955
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:23,000
Freaking alien stuff.
And it's just like, you know,

956
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:26,700
just kind of like that.
I don't know, you know, no clue.

957
01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:31,600
But if there's that level of
Technology where active duty

958
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,900
military and we're working on
helicopters were like, dang,

959
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:35,900
these things are super loud.
I don't know how they use these

960
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:37,400
things for stealth Missions at
all.

961
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:41,300
And then they have some alien
Tech like that, you know, sounds

962
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:44,500
like and what's to say that they
can't be doing this or they

963
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,900
can't be implanting memories and
stuff if that technology level

964
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:51,300
that even were used to in the
military and they got stuff.

965
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,100
That's, you know, we would say
is 50 to 100 years Advanced

966
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:58,700
because how are you going to cut
down on the sound of, you know,

967
01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:01,500
how a copter blades, you know,
cracking through the air and

968
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:02,600
stuff?
That's why they make that

969
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,100
chopping sound plus the engine
noise.

970
01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:08,500
Hmm there's a lot of.
Hold it all in foam you know

971
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,700
like how are you gonna do this
but somehow that's a thing.

972
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:15,500
So I thought that it was super
interesting and that kind of

973
01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:18,900
changed my perspective on what
the government actually can do

974
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:21,100
versus what we speculate.
They can and can't do.

975
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:25,400
So, I mean, if it was flown like
a 60, right?

976
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,100
For those that, don't know what
I made 60 is.

977
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:32,500
I mean, 60 is basically
sikorsky's midsize attack

978
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:36,100
helicopter right now, or
transport I'll color it could be

979
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,100
outfitted for anything.
It's literally like a Lego set.

980
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:43,300
You can plug and play anything,
you want into it and customize

981
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:46,200
it to to do any kind of mission
out there, right?

982
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:51,300
The Navy has Seahawks the the
Army has Blackhawks, the air.

983
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:56,900
Has chair Hawks in the Marines
looks to you like that.

984
01:01:57,100 --> 01:02:03,800
Yeah, so I mean 60 there in
every Branch, very popular

985
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,900
model.
So the Blackhawks, when someone

986
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:09,100
says Blackhawks, that's what
they're talking about.

987
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:10,600
They're talking about the
mh-60s.

988
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:16,700
It could be various types of
letters behind our after that

989
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:21,200
the 60 Jake.
And I work on s's Sierra.

990
01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:26,500
Eras.
But these are not quiet

991
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:29,600
aircraft.
And to think that the government

992
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:34,500
has something That is a 60
variant.

993
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,000
That is super quiet that nobody
knows about.

994
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:45,000
That's shocking.
I don't know, you said that this

995
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,000
guy said it in an interview with
who I don't know.

996
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,700
I'll send you guys the clip but
he was fucking Rogan being in

997
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:54,800
it.
No, it wasn't broken but he was

998
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,700
just being interviewed and he
was just going through the whole

999
01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:59,300
story.
It's finally been Declassified,

1000
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:01,400
so I could talk about it.
He think.

1001
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,700
I remember you sending a clip to
the chapters.

1002
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:09,300
I remember seeing something
along those lines and I was very

1003
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:12,700
interested by it.
But I was also very If I work

1004
01:03:12,700 --> 01:03:20,100
after so.
Well anyways, Jeff you got

1005
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:23,000
anything there?
Bedtime.

1006
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:29,400
No consciousness idea.
But no okay.

1007
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:35,700
You guys ready to move on?
It's Joe Boudin TV.

1008
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,500
It's the the YouTube page.
Yeah, obviously, working folk.

1009
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:42,200
That's interesting.
All right.

1010
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:46,500
Next a believer.
After staying in the cabin, just

1011
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:49,200
passed the New Year, the
strippers headed back to New

1012
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,500
York City, Whitley continued to
dive deeper into depression.

1013
01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:57,600
Tired of the strange events that
played in his waking Day Dreams.

1014
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,800
He considered ending his life by
jumping out of his window.

1015
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:06,200
This understand, we scared him,
so he forced himself to read one

1016
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,400
of such books, they chose to
read in his Darkest, Hour was a

1017
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,400
book gifted to him by a family
friend called science and the

1018
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,800
UFOs.
But Peter Warrington in this

1019
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,700
book, there was mention of a
researcher from New York City by

1020
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:23,400
the name of Budd Hopkins, and
out of pure, desperation Whitley

1021
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,600
found buds number.
The phone book and call them

1022
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:28,800
halfway through Whitley's
telling his story.

1023
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,300
Mr. Hopkins stopped him and ask
for Whitney to come over to his

1024
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:37,000
home with the of course obliged
and the two men met face-to-face

1025
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,300
for a more personal exchange of
information.

1026
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:43,500
The Exchange began with Hopkins
explaining that he was not a

1027
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:48,100
therapist in any way, but what?
But that if Whitley wanted more

1028
01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:51,300
answers, he could put them in
touch with someone that could

1029
01:04:51,300 --> 01:04:53,900
help.
When all of Whitley's story was

1030
01:04:53,900 --> 01:04:58,100
told, Mr. Hopkins replied,
you're not alone, there are many

1031
01:04:58,100 --> 01:05:00,300
cases spanning the globe, just
like yours.

1032
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:03,900
Will they begin to cry with joy?
That this was not an experience

1033
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:06,800
unique to him and quickly.
Switch gears from being afraid

1034
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,800
of the memories to now wanting
to understand the events that he

1035
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,800
had gone through the night.
Ended with a question from Budd

1036
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,100
Hopkins.
The inquiry was asked, if

1037
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:20,900
Whitley could remember any time
in the past that he had a

1038
01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:25,100
similar event happen.
Whitley had at first said, no,

1039
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,300
but there was one event in
October that sort of haunted him

1040
01:05:28,700 --> 01:05:31,500
event.
That took place at his Cottage,

1041
01:05:31,900 --> 01:05:34,000
while having two guests stay
with his family.

1042
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:40,300
On October 4th in 1985, a little
more than 80 days before the

1043
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:43,500
events that changed his life.
Whitley was traveling to his

1044
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:46,600
family's cabin with his wife and
son and two friends.

1045
01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:50,200
Jacques was send the loose goo
and Annie got lead.

1046
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:52,300
By the time they had arrived
there.

1047
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,600
After a quick stop at a local
restaurant, the party had enough

1048
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,700
energy for a glass of wine.
Then everyone gladly retired to

1049
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:03,100
the rooms for the night with
least stayed up for about an

1050
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:05,800
hour, reading a book.
And then turned off his reading

1051
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,800
light and fell asleep.
At some point in the middle of

1052
01:06:09,808 --> 01:06:11,500
the night.
Whitley was startled awake.

1053
01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:14,600
I was shocked to see a solid
blue light through the bedroom

1054
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,900
door strongly Illuminating in
his living room.

1055
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,300
You remember is going through
all the possibilities of what it

1056
01:06:21,300 --> 01:06:24,600
could be, including one of his
friends or son being awake, and

1057
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,600
they had turned on life.
But that wasn't right.

1058
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,800
The color of the light was too
blue and clean.

1059
01:06:30,100 --> 01:06:34,100
Then if you would be surprised
that it could have been someone

1060
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:36,200
looking into the cabin with a
flashlight, but the light was to

1061
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,300
steady it wasn't sleeping
around, it was just there.

1062
01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:43,100
He watched as the light seemed
to slowly move from inside of

1063
01:06:43,107 --> 01:06:48,000
his house and is living room to
his front yard his mind settled

1064
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,000
on the possibility that there
was a fire on his roof or in his

1065
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,600
chimney and drifted back off the
sleet.

1066
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:57,100
He remembers that in his dreams,
he became frantic that the house

1067
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:59,500
was on fire.
He knew that it didn't make

1068
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:00,100
much.
Sense.

1069
01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:03,700
But that is what he believed
sometime during the stretch of

1070
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:05,900
sleep.
There was a loud report that

1071
01:07:05,900 --> 01:07:09,200
forced him and his wife awake
and caused his son to scream

1072
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,500
from his own downstairs.
From his room downstairs, the

1073
01:07:12,508 --> 01:07:15,200
sound reminded him of
firecrackers, Willie jumped out

1074
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,800
of bed, pissed off at himself
that he fell asleep with the

1075
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,800
roof on fire.
And now in his mind it was so

1076
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,900
bad that it had spread to his
son's room.

1077
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:28,100
He ran out of his room yelling
that the cabin was on fire as he

1078
01:07:28,100 --> 01:07:31,700
exited the room here.
Realized that the bluish glow

1079
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:35,600
was still in his cabin, and when
he left his room, he read right

1080
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,700
into it before it completely and
suddenly disappeared after

1081
01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:43,200
comforting his guests in the
sun, Whitley went back to bed

1082
01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:46,800
and woke up the next morning
with only a very vague memory of

1083
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,800
a light and an explosion.
It sounds.

1084
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,600
It's pronounced.
Jock know.

1085
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:56,800
Jacques was jacquez.
Jacques.

1086
01:07:56,900 --> 01:07:59,500
It's Jack.
Jack Hughes.

1087
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:06,300
Jack we jackley Jacques.
Jacques Whiz jacquez.

1088
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:11,500
It's all Jacquizz this man.
Yeah, language is French and I

1089
01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:13,000
still wouldn't even attempt
that.

1090
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:18,100
So I was definitely having some
kind of hallucination or like I

1091
01:08:18,108 --> 01:08:21,399
said, you know, his Isn't his
mind for sure.

1092
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:23,100
He's seeing something.
I don't think anything's.

1093
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:25,000
Actually.
Physically happening is Guy.

1094
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:28,500
Hmm.
Interesting, interesting.

1095
01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:31,600
Hmm, interesting.
You have to think that if it was

1096
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,500
physically happening to him,
then it would be physically

1097
01:08:34,500 --> 01:08:38,500
happening to everyone else as
well at least visual stuff.

1098
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:40,600
You guys ready for the next
part?

1099
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,500
Ones is jump into it.
I'm down.

1100
01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:46,000
I think this is the last one
actually for this episode.

1101
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,300
So Jeff like that.
Jeff, you always just want to go

1102
01:08:50,300 --> 01:08:52,899
to sleep.
There's cat button your screen.

1103
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,800
Yeah, there is cab button the
screen.

1104
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,899
It's just, you know, I gotta get
up early for work and everything

1105
01:08:57,899 --> 01:09:04,800
that I know, I don't look for
memories on February 6th 1986.

1106
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,800
Whitley came home from his from
visiting Budd Hopkins, his

1107
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,399
house.
Remember the researcher from

1108
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:10,700
just down the road in New York
City.

1109
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,899
And immediately asked his wife
Anne, if she had remembered

1110
01:09:13,899 --> 01:09:16,899
anything strange from the night
of October 4th, this night was

1111
01:09:16,899 --> 01:09:18,500
very easy for him to point out
to her.

1112
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:24,200
Because Cuz it was the last time
that Jacque Jacque jacquez and

1113
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,600
Annie had visited them at their
cabin.

1114
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,600
Upstate to is disbelief, she
said that the only thing she

1115
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,200
remembers from that night was
that Whitley had come back to

1116
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,600
bed and said that he must have
been wrong about the fire before

1117
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,500
they both went back to sleep.
Whitley then turned his

1118
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:42,700
attention to his son when he
asks him about that night.

1119
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:43,700
His son replied.
Yeah.

1120
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,800
The night with the bang then
immediately followed up by

1121
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,100
saying a bunch of people told
me.

1122
01:09:48,108 --> 01:09:50,399
It was okay.
You just threw your shoe at a

1123
01:09:50,407 --> 01:09:54,800
fly, frightened Whitley replied,
what people, which is son

1124
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:59,000
replied, just a bunch of people
who were around.

1125
01:10:00,100 --> 01:10:02,000
Whitney's.
First response was to call Budd

1126
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,300
Hopkins.
Back until about what his wife

1127
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:08,800
and son had told him, but his
reply was to not ask a son, what

1128
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,100
he remembered from that night,
but to ask him about his dreams

1129
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:16,200
from the night instead, Whitley
did just that into a surprise as

1130
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,600
son answered.
Well, I dreamed that a bunch of

1131
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,900
little doctors took me out on
the porch and put me on a cop.

1132
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:25,100
I got scared and they started
saying we won't hurt you over

1133
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:27,900
and over in my head.
That was the strangest dream

1134
01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:29,700
because it was just like it was
real.

1135
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:31,400
It happened in the middle of
another dream.

1136
01:10:31,900 --> 01:10:35,100
When I was dreaming that me and
Ezra a friend of his or in a

1137
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:39,400
boat, his sons report of his
dreamed that night scared him,

1138
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,400
and he was mad and worried about
what had happened to his son.

1139
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,700
He attempted to make sense of
this event.

1140
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,300
What if he and his son were
having shared dreams or that

1141
01:10:49,300 --> 01:10:52,500
they were somehow physically
connected during their sleep or

1142
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,000
psychically her psychologically.
Sorry psychologically connected

1143
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,400
during their sleep, but being a
man that didn't It did not

1144
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,800
believe in such recurrences
Whitley started to believe that

1145
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,300
he and his son were victims of
something far stranger a little

1146
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:10,300
while.
Later Whitley reached out to his

1147
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:15,200
friend, Jack use to ask him
about the night of October 4th

1148
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:21,100
Jackie remembered the night that
it was so bright that he had to

1149
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:24,100
look at his watch to make sure
that they didn't oversleep.

1150
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:30,100
But Jack did not remember the
night coming from within the

1151
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:32,200
cabin.
And but from outside the window

1152
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,400
in the room, he told Whitley
that it was so bright.

1153
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:40,000
The seemed like daytime and and
he could clearly see the tree

1154
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,000
trunks of the tree line out of
the window.

1155
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,300
And then he remembered our, I'm
sorry.

1156
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,800
Then he explained that once he
heard Whitley shouting the light

1157
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:51,300
disappeared and it was night
again immediately after talking

1158
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:57,300
to ha quiz Whitley called any
the other guests from that night

1159
01:11:57,700 --> 01:11:59,300
and he clearly remember the
bang.

1160
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,000
But then she said, That
immediately after the bang, she

1161
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,800
heard fast soft footsteps coming
from the area over the room that

1162
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,100
she is Jacques, were staying it?
This was Whitley.

1163
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:14,000
And Anne's room by the way and
explained that, she thought our

1164
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,700
Annie, not him Annie explained
that she knew that Whitley and

1165
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:21,600
Anne had cats.
So this, that is what she

1166
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,600
assumed it was.
But Willie explained that they

1167
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:26,600
never brought their cats, the
cabin with them and he was

1168
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:32,200
surprised by that.
Because she could have sworn it

1169
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,300
sound like a few cats were
running away from whatever, made

1170
01:12:35,300 --> 01:12:38,400
the loud noise any.
Then followed up this

1171
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,100
realization by telling Whitney
that the next morning.

1172
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:44,500
He had told her that the noise
was just a diamond shaped

1173
01:12:44,500 --> 01:12:47,800
spacecraft and little aliens
coming to visit us.

1174
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,700
We couldn't believe his ears and
even got a bit angry, that his

1175
01:12:52,700 --> 01:12:56,100
friend could say, such a thing,
Whitley hung up the phone.

1176
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,300
And this is when he really began
to believe, The something truly

1177
01:13:00,300 --> 01:13:05,400
frightening happened to him and
his family and his friends on a

1178
01:13:05,407 --> 01:13:10,400
night of October 4th 1985 the
end of part 1.

1179
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,200
Okay.
Is there anybody on record

1180
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,000
saying that I experienced these
things too?

1181
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:23,900
Or is this just a book that he
wrote where he's saying that my

1182
01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:26,300
son also experienced these
things?

1183
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:33,000
We will have to get into that
later so it's just him.

1184
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:34,000
Okay.
Yeah.

1185
01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:40,900
Now, before we kind of dive into
the, you know, the rest of our

1186
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:43,900
opinions here and everything I
just want to point out.

1187
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,700
To talk a little bit more about
his fiction writing.

1188
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,500
He wrote a book in 1978 by the
title of the wolfen.

1189
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:56,700
It tells the story of two police
detectives in New York City who

1190
01:13:56,700 --> 01:13:58,900
are involved in investigating
suspicious deaths across the

1191
01:13:58,907 --> 01:14:04,100
city, by canine type walking
creatures, like werewolves,

1192
01:14:04,100 --> 01:14:08,400
right 1981.
He comes out with a movie called

1193
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,100
The Hunger, a plot that involves
a beautiful and Wealthy vampire.

1194
01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:14,100
They were both millions of films
by the Way.

1195
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:19,100
And then he makes a horror novel
called black magic in 1982 and

1196
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:25,000
the night church in 1983 1985.
Oh, I'm sorry 1984.

1197
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:30,900
He writes War day which is the
dangers of nuclear warfare in

1198
01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:35,700
1986, he makes book our writes.
A book called Nature's end, it's

1199
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:37,600
about an environmental
apocalypse.

1200
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:43,900
And also in 85 you he writes
wolf of Shadows, a young adult.

1201
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,100
Send the aftermath of a nuclear
war.

1202
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:51,200
So nothing that he wrote
necessarily was about aliens

1203
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:57,300
until afterwards.
After this series of events, is

1204
01:14:57,300 --> 01:15:00,700
when he starts writing about
aliens, I have a book.

1205
01:15:00,700 --> 01:15:02,700
I believe it was.
It came out 90.

1206
01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:06,300
I can probably just look it up,
pretty sure.

1207
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:09,600
It came out in 97 called the
greys, which is a fictional

1208
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,200
book.
Well, it's portrayed as fiction

1209
01:15:12,700 --> 01:15:16,500
about railings.
When did he start writing this

1210
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:20,900
book communion?
Yeah, I've no idea because

1211
01:15:20,900 --> 01:15:24,300
that's more important because he
could say the events happen

1212
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:27,500
whenever they happened, right?
But it depends on when he

1213
01:15:27,500 --> 01:15:32,400
started writing the book.
Um, I don't know, I don't know.

1214
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,400
When the book came out wrong.
Yeah.

1215
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:39,500
So basically what I'm getting at
is that if he's making this up

1216
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,600
and the idea of grey aliens is
already out there.

1217
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,700
I mean, this could have been,
let's just say I could write a

1218
01:15:47,708 --> 01:15:51,300
book today and say, when I was
15, I have your answer Jeremy,

1219
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:53,100
this happened.
What's the answer?

1220
01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:57,500
Communion a true story first
publication date, was February

1221
01:15:57,500 --> 01:16:01,500
25th 1987?
Yep, I just seen that.

1222
01:16:01,500 --> 01:16:05,500
Okay, so this was two years
February, I was a disease a year

1223
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:09,500
and be wary. 25 is why he is
here a year and a couple months

1224
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:13,800
after the event or the events is
when he put out puts out,

1225
01:16:13,900 --> 01:16:17,400
Comedian.
So, he's probably writing it

1226
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,200
throughout the, the following
year, which is about how long it

1227
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,100
takes to write a book.
So, she back then.

1228
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:28,200
So what do you guys think?
The first two stories of

1229
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:34,900
communion or done, we met
Whitley, we know what communions

1230
01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:39,900
about because I think, my
opinion still stands the same as

1231
01:16:39,900 --> 01:16:44,300
it has most of this episode.
I think he's mentally ill and

1232
01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:50,300
wanted some attention.
I don't think he's mentally ill.

1233
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:53,700
I think that he's just a really
dang good author, think so,

1234
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,600
yeah, let's use myself as the
like, from his perspective.

1235
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,700
Let's use myself as the main
character for this going on the

1236
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:06,800
Sci-Fi Trend.
I wonder when Star Trek first

1237
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:14,300
came out, he trekkies here.
No. but it's just like what if

1238
01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:20,400
that was the angle of you know,
kind of like a 19 CM 6

1239
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:25,100
autobiography of my life.
But as if I was being abducted

1240
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:31,300
by aliens and stuff oh no man
loves to dive into more of the

1241
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:36,700
evidence and more distort
because I mean story I don't

1242
01:17:36,700 --> 01:17:40,100
know how many people would if it
actually happened to them would

1243
01:17:40,100 --> 01:17:44,400
admit that they were getting
just, you know, just rammed

1244
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,900
every night.
That sounds good.

1245
01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:52,700
Sounds a little bit skeptical.
You know, people won't even tell

1246
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:54,300
you.
If they've had like acne

1247
01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:57,700
treatment before, like most of
all, I want to be, like, just

1248
01:17:57,700 --> 01:18:01,700
writing a book and then I woke
up every day at my anus was so

1249
01:18:01,700 --> 01:18:08,100
sore, so great, and yeah.
As red as the Sahara, it was

1250
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:15,300
hilarious.
Every stop sign, I passed on my

1251
01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:23,400
way to work and I could just
picture my who's oh, it's like

1252
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,100
yeah, it's like if you read his
book, he talks about it for two

1253
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:30,800
chapters straight about his
butthole is crazy.

1254
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:35,700
I don't know, I'm, I've thrown
out my opinions on it and, but

1255
01:18:35,700 --> 01:18:38,500
yeah.
Even if it it turns out he's

1256
01:18:38,500 --> 01:18:42,200
just a really dang good at
author or whatever, you know, I

1257
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,700
mean if you can get a five book
series out of something that you

1258
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:50,400
made up, you know, good on you.
I mean, but that being said

1259
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:55,700
right off the bat just from the
initial stuff, I didn't hear

1260
01:18:55,700 --> 01:18:57,800
anything in there.
That was worthy of writing down

1261
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,200
for five books.
So either this these events

1262
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,700
happened to him for like a
decade plus and he just kept

1263
01:19:03,700 --> 01:19:07,200
writing it down or he just Keep
coming up with more and more and

1264
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,000
more story to put out well, so I
can't really say that I've ever

1265
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:15,000
read the other books, but as I
read them, I will report on

1266
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,400
them.
That's going to be like some of

1267
01:19:16,407 --> 01:19:19,000
the follow-up episode.
So this is the kind of talk

1268
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:24,100
about Whitley and is his books.
Furthering, the communion story

1269
01:19:24,500 --> 01:19:28,300
but from what I understand it's
there more description so he

1270
01:19:28,300 --> 01:19:33,500
does get further into the whole
purpose of them being here, who

1271
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:36,900
they are, where they come from.
All of that.

1272
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,600
It's not just him taking his
story and creating a new one off

1273
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:44,400
of it.
I again I don't know I know that

1274
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,500
there is a very very popular
follow-up, the communion because

1275
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,300
that's almost what I would
expect the guy to do, right?

1276
01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:57,400
Most most abduction stories that
I almost buy our very brief.

1277
01:19:57,500 --> 01:20:01,600
They just describe what happened
what I saw and they put it on

1278
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,300
like the news or they I don't
know.

1279
01:20:04,300 --> 01:20:08,400
It's like a or the talk about
it, like, like, Vlog it or

1280
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:13,500
whatever on YouTube and I almost
believe those but when it comes

1281
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:20,400
to like, you know, the injured
colds or the this, you know, I'm

1282
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:25,600
just like these extended long
series especially if I do, I'll

1283
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,100
have to look into it because the
first time ever hearing about

1284
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:32,300
this, but, you know, and I'll
hopefully remember, so I can

1285
01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:38,300
report in episode 2 but If it's
just him saying that this stuff

1286
01:20:38,300 --> 01:20:40,400
happened to his family and
happened to his son.

1287
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:42,400
It's a lot different than his
son.

1288
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,000
Saying I was there and this
happened to me too.

1289
01:20:46,700 --> 01:20:50,600
And in which case you know it's
just like okay so his son could

1290
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:55,000
not even exist I know you have a
daughter.

1291
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,400
I know one of the books is
called confirmation but that's

1292
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:04,900
not the one.
That is big.

1293
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,300
Gosh, I wish we had our guest
here because our guest is really

1294
01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:11,800
into the story, but our guests
will be joining us

1295
01:21:12,300 --> 01:21:15,100
transformation.
I believe is the one then

1296
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:18,300
there's breakthrough and then
the secret school, I believe

1297
01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:23,400
those are the for follow-ups to
the commune story and I think

1298
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:29,500
transformation is like, the one
that's like next tier compared

1299
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:31,600
to communion that a lot of
people talk about.

1300
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:37,800
So I do I own all of these books
now, I have them they're sitting

1301
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:42,100
right over there on my bookshelf
and we will be talking about

1302
01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:45,800
them.
Prime F good to go.

1303
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:47,900
I'll tie this into Thanksgiving
somehow.

1304
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:54,000
I'm thankful for Danny.
Thank you for Danny.

1305
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,200
Yeah, no.
All right, well yes, I am.

1306
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:03,000
So all right, let's follow up
with things giving Jake, what do

1307
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,000
you think for for man?
Specifically for the podcasts

1308
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,900
I'm thankful that we have a such
a great fan base.

1309
01:22:09,900 --> 01:22:14,600
People that are willing like
Danny Grayson to throw out their

1310
01:22:14,900 --> 01:22:17,600
thoughts on like the last
episodes and hit us up when

1311
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,400
something you know, didn't hit,
right?

1312
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,800
So we can make adjustments and
everything that we We even

1313
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,800
though we're not on the
Paranormal Network anymore, you

1314
01:22:24,808 --> 01:22:27,100
know, that doesn't mean that the
show is just absolutely

1315
01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:30,100
decimated and destroyed.
There's no nothing else we can

1316
01:22:30,100 --> 01:22:32,300
do from that.
Like I'm stoked that we can keep

1317
01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:36,300
going and that we for the time
being it seems enjoy this.

1318
01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:41,000
So it's you know, it's nice to
just do something fun and and

1319
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,200
keep doing what we started
doing, you know, we're just like

1320
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,400
hey let's spend an hour or two
and break people away from the

1321
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,500
mundane day-to-day type routines
or the craziness out in the

1322
01:22:50,500 --> 01:22:51,800
world.
Just talk about something weird

1323
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,300
for a little bit. it and you
know so I'm thankful for that

1324
01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:59,300
and then you know, normal stuff,
thankful for my family, my wife

1325
01:22:59,300 --> 01:23:04,700
and all that good stuff, a lot
of good blessings Kid, what are

1326
01:23:04,700 --> 01:23:07,100
you American Thanksgiving?
Thankful for?

1327
01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:13,100
Yeah.
Canadian Thanksgiving was back

1328
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:19,400
in October and I mean, I'm
always thankful to just be

1329
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,100
living life and have the things
that I have in my life.

1330
01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:28,200
I'm just thankful to have the
people that I have in my life.

1331
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:31,600
And I'm thankful for you guys.
I'm thankful for the podcast is

1332
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:39,400
is and I'm just thankful for
life, right on Jeffrey, other

1333
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,500
than sleep.
What do you think more?

1334
01:23:43,100 --> 01:23:45,000
I don't get enough of that, to
be thankful for it.

1335
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:50,200
But, um, I only get nine hours.
I'm thankful for a lot of shit,

1336
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,600
man.
I'm pretty positive human being,

1337
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,800
man.
I'm thankful for a lot of

1338
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,300
things, man.
They're really if I sit down and

1339
01:23:58,300 --> 01:24:00,200
think about it, everything,
right?

1340
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:07,200
But if I had to say a few Things
man, the show being is popular

1341
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,700
as it is right.
My show being as popular as it

1342
01:24:10,700 --> 01:24:12,300
is.
Those are two big things for me

1343
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:17,400
current moment, my Kush ass job
sitting at home.

1344
01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:22,700
That's Pretty thankful for that
but yeah I don't know man.

1345
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,400
Thankful for Life bro.
Right on dude, I'm thankful for

1346
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,600
Jeff show.
I've listened to a whole episode

1347
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:37,000
and it was pretty good boy.
Well I have a lot to be thankful

1348
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,700
for as well.
I'm gonna start off backwards

1349
01:24:39,700 --> 01:24:41,000
here.
I'm going to talk about personal

1350
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:44,200
stuff from thankful for a
brand-new baby boy in my life.

1351
01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:46,900
He's paying the ass but I love
them to death.

1352
01:24:47,300 --> 01:24:51,100
Absolutely adorable child.
I'm thankful for all of my

1353
01:24:51,100 --> 01:24:52,900
children.
All my beautiful children.

1354
01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:55,800
I have four of them.
Now my beautiful wife, this

1355
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,500
beautiful home and a beautiful
state, which is Wisconsin.

1356
01:24:59,700 --> 01:25:03,700
Absolutely gorgeous.
But podcast wise, I'm very

1357
01:25:03,700 --> 01:25:06,600
thankful for you.
Three sitting right in front of

1358
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,800
me on the screen right now and
for every single person that

1359
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,200
listens in every single week to
listen to me for some reason.

1360
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:18,500
I don't know why Jake.
I'm thankful that You took a

1361
01:25:18,500 --> 01:25:22,700
risk in jumping up and doing
this podcast with you and I

1362
01:25:22,708 --> 01:25:25,500
really do appreciate you.
Help me get it off the ground

1363
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:31,800
and stick it with me, dude, kid,
I'm thankful that you even start

1364
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:37,500
listening to the podcast.
Thank you and and you were nice

1365
01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:41,500
enough to join us and, you know,
provide your your Insight on

1366
01:25:41,508 --> 01:25:43,600
these these awesome stories and
Jeffrey.

1367
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,900
I'm extremely thankful that you
have a very, very Extremely much

1368
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:52,300
more popular podcast somewhere
else and yet you still show up

1369
01:25:52,300 --> 01:25:55,300
every week.
So, that's really cool.

1370
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:02,100
But man, I'm extremely thankful
for everything that this podcast

1371
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:04,800
is brought to my life and for
having you guys with.

1372
01:26:05,700 --> 01:26:10,700
So thank you guys and the
academy award goes to Jeffrey,

1373
01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:25,800
we see Russia, they love me.
You're welcome, boy, it's

1374
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:44,200
more better, more better.
Mor more better assist right

1375
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,900
now.
My catches bit, my toe, get

1376
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,300
stone your Cipher bed, man.
You can say you're thinking of

1377
01:26:50,300 --> 01:26:55,200
chance, make sure he's telling
me it's time to get off, not

1378
01:26:55,200 --> 01:27:01,900
through the butt.
Or through the, but I don't, you

1379
01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:05,300
know, I don't really care.
Anyways, that's been another

1380
01:27:05,300 --> 01:27:07,100
episode of the infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast.

1381
01:27:07,900 --> 01:27:14,200
I'm obsessed with footholds of
you guys coming from all of us.

1382
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,000
Here, thankful for you listening
to this episode and for

1383
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,800
buttholes everywhere, we'll see
you next time.

1384
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,500
Bye everybody.
Bye bye.

1385
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:23,300
Bye.