Communion Part 2

0:00 Hey guys, my name is Kieran and you're listening to the infinite Rabbit Hole. Keep up the good work, guys. Sexual content in trigger warning. This episode contains conversation about alien and human molestation. Also, Jeremy says, penis a lot, but don't worry. I say weiner way more than he says penis anyway. Last time on communion part 1 I'm sure once we once we know that you're going to give me like, can you do like, what Netflix does?

0:59 Where they do like previously on Vikings previously on communion here? Presented by the infinite rev roll guy gets abducted or believes. He gets abducted by aliens and goes through many different places with said, aliens seeing many different kinds of Let's get something shove of his but we made a joke about how it tastes purple. And no tasted gray gray. Sorry. And now you're all caught up. And that's pretty much it. All right. We spent an hour doing that great. We do that a lot. So sounds like yeah, stand.

2:01 Penis. Welcome back to the infinite Rabbit Hole everybody. I am your host, Jeremy and today, we're going to jump into part 2 of the communion Saga by Whitley. Strieber about his personal experiences, with abductions, from the unknown little grey, aliens, sticking things up his butt before are actually let me take that back. We're on the subjects of the sticking things up your butt. Jake, what's going on, man?

2:43 How you doing? Just over here sticking things up my butt, dude. I'm totally gonna be like last time on communion and just have you running through that little Spiel. It's perfect. No, I'm okay. I feel like I'm kind of coming down with something but other than that. Yeah, not bad. All right, well, I actually know, you know, we'll skip that Jeffrey. We'll go to you buddy. We see that you have a nice new background for those of you that are blessed to watch us. On the You Tube the tube of you, you can see what our logo looks like, right. Next to our other logo, which you can also see what it looks like next to Jake's logo behind him. We can also see what it looks like there and then also, you know, Ken's are which will get you soon, don't want to spoiler cleansers here, not that you can see or not your logo and my little tiny one, right?

3:40 I hear and then the logo for the channel. Yeah, yeah. Anyways Jeff happy New Year, buddy. What's going on? Happy New Year bud. I'm here man. Just burnt you know, representing the brand, you know, I'm on that branding level right now. You know it's good week. I'm surprised he's not a shadow band logo. I have that one set up right now as well. I can flip it around but you know. Are you going to be doing a shuttle band episode soon? Yeah, I've actually got a whole new format that I've been working on. I'm going to do like Have streams am even thinking about having a call-in number. I want to call in call in live and we can chitchat. So that might be fun. So soon bro, let us know how that works out.

4:21 Maybe we'll set something up like that for for us. We will see soon maybe and last but not lease. Kid, the kid cans. Are how you doing, hello? I'm doing fantastic as good as I can be living like yeah, got kicked out of the other room there. So now I'm got a new setup. Got my tapestry back there, and that was a big deal. So, I made sure that made it made its way up on the wall. There's a tapestry or tape is tree tapping on the pole. That's how I said, Put it on pull. Oh nope.

5:03 We're gonna let the travelers to have history. All right, anything new guys, what's going on? What's up? Tell me things, we have to piss off. The people that don't like chitchat just work, man, you know working every day. Paying them bills every, every other day it seems like, you know, taxes. Same old. No, yes, taxes. This is taxes in Florida. I thought that it was like not state taxes. I mean there's a their sales tax, but there's no state tax here, so that's good. But I do pay federal taxes is really, but taxation is theft. That's a whole nother show, tho tune in on the shadow band podcast, definitely a shuttle band. I mean, I broke Jeremy's Heart by giving him some news that he didn't expect last night.

5:55 Hmm. Tell him. I'm not quitting. He's pregnant 70, not pregnant, sorry. Not you. Jeremy or Me, you will your the whole things up your butter? I don't know. We just oh I can't get break carry on. Yeah, well I don't know. Never mind now also tune in to shout about for that, but no, yeah, I'm not moving to Wisconsin, decided to put family in front of, you know, opportunities elsewhere. And I mean, considering that I backed off on that one that I've been hyped for for like six months or more. Like, you really don't know what I'll pull next. So you should probably get a hold of CJ just in case apparently still listens to the show.

6:38 So CJ might get calls here soon actually texted me today. It's kind of funny kid. I got this is CJ. I miss you. If you're listening, I miss you bro. I haven't talked to you in a while. I'm going to message you or message. We should reach out to him and get him back on the show for an episode. Yeah. Is he fun? It's sweet. We should have CJ. If you're if you're listening to this reach out to me because I'll forget All right, boy. So communion all right. What to say? What to say. We're going to go through, quite a bit of information today. You're going to kind of notice that.

7:20 Each time we do a communion episode at least for the first three episodes because I have the next to done this one. In the next one, we're kind of going to build on the first episode. So for those of you that have not heard the first episode, I do still very much highly recommend that you go ahead and take a minute and go check that out. Listen to it, you're going to get the base, the, the solid foundation, the structure of, of the, the story behind communion by Whitley strieber and about his Like firsthand experiences with these things or you know supposably firsthand experiences with these things and we're going to dive a little bit deeper with more details of those stories to today and on the next episode.

8:03 So yes, we will be doing a back-to-back communion here and it will not be the end. We will dive further into communion. The last time we release a communion episode, which was part one was on December 9th. So here we are. Well over a month diving into part two. So For those that are not familiar with the story or that forgot the story, please stop here. Listen to part one, but if you don't want to, I don't think you're going to be completely lost. Like I said, we do quite a bit of review and dive into deeper details. Before we get started, cast members. Do you guys have anything? Any questions any clearing up that you guys want before we get going?

8:46 Nah, I think I'm good. We are free. Nope. Okay, on audio. They can't see you shaking your head. Well, you know, you can see me, right? You can get, is, I'm gonna have to edit out some of that five second, pause. Oh, no! Leave it just quiet. Well, don't all right. Let's see. Let me bring it up here. Alright. Communion part 2 and dive in the first paragraph that I made for presentation, the search for help at the beginning of chapter 2. With these Troopers book. Communion he introduces his thoughts about seeing a psychiatrist due to the strange events with alien beings, which we discussed in our part 1 in our coverage of the story. He was clear about the importance of finding, the right person to talk to professionally. He stressed the importance of finding someone with an open mind but also someone who has the ability to identify any real mental issues.

9:46 He was having if that turned out to be the case with another necessity being that the therapist It would preferably be a practicing hypnotherapist. This is due to Whitley's gut feeling that there were still missing parts of his hazy memory that he wanted to uncover with help from the ufologists we discussed in part one mr. Budd Hopkins, from down the street of their home in New York City. A doctor was found by Hopkins by the name of dr. Donald Klein of the New York State psychiatric Institute dr. Klein checked off many of the boxes. He was open-minded serious. Reputable practice. Of therapy and most important of all it was completely unfamiliar with Whitley story. So that is the quick introduction to. What we're going to be talking about today. As you can see, we're going to be visiting a hypnotherapist with Whitley and Budd Hopkins, and we're going to dive into The subconscious of Whitley strieber and his memories. You guys ready to roll?

10:46 You guys are any questions? No, ready to roll. Let's do this. Let's do it. Alright next next paragraph, a real concern before we dive into the transcripts from Whitley's, hypnosis therapy sessions with dr. Klein, I think it is important to understand a few things about Whitley strieber himself and his belief in the effectiveness in hypnotic regression therapy at this point in his life. Yes, these events took place before. And during the times, when Whitley was writing, fictional novels about a variety of topics, this tied with the research he had done on hypnosis left him believing that people could lie during the process. Either by telling the doctor that they subconsciously believe the hypnotist wants to hear, or what the patient may want to believe themselves. Willie was worried that he may have secretly wanted the idea of extraterrestrial visitors arriving to save Humanity from itself to be true.

11:39 I mean the guy was known as a writer Apocalyptic science fiction, after all, he thought maybe his subconscious created these events to cure some underlying hidden anxiety of realism behind his writings and what, if his time conscious continued, this obnoxious story, and none of it ended up to be true. Alright, let's Dive Right In the first dive, everybody. Let me take a second to increase my museum in a little bit because my eyes, my eyes don't work, so good. Alright, the first dive, the time finally came for Whitley to undergo hypnosis under dr. Klein supervision with Budd Hopkins sitting in the room to record and witness the whole experience Whitley eventually succumb to dr. Klein's control and drifted off into nothingness. After a few control base questions such as what is your name birthday.

12:33 And what did you do this? Weekend Whitley fell deeper into the foreign feeling of distance but Mindful and present he describes quote. At that point I felt relaxed and calm but not asleep. I was completely aware of my surroundings but visually witness nothing. No. The following is a summary of the entire transcript from dr. Klein's, hypnosis session with Whitley strieber on March 1st, 1986, this session uncovers, the Deep secured truth of the events of Whitley's first event from October 4th 1985. Dr. Klein slowly brings Whitley back to the night in question and begins building.

13:15 Dialogue by asking about the trip to the cabin in Upstate New York with his family and their friends shot quiz and Annie they soon progressed to dinner and not before long. They battle at the, they settle at the first time Whitley Witnesses, something big moving by a window that he could see in the living room from his bed. He describes it as a light in the front yard and through jumbled speech. He moves on to describe himself looking into the darkest corner of his room inside the Shadows. Should a darker form standing roughly three foot tall. Whitley began to question the darkness being as to why it was there Whitley out loud.

13:56 I don't want it to be there, I don't want it to be there. Please got it. What's it? Doing to me at this moment, Whitley snap out of trance and was completely upset. Whatever it was it was completely unknown to him and Whitley is now back to being awake out of his hypnotherapy session. So, what do you guys think so far? I mean, I'm I got no problem with this at all. So far, honestly, I totally believe hypnotherapy is legit to some extent, right? But especially with what we're talking about on the Gateway stuff. Definitely some level. Yeah of that.

14:38 So, get it. But what's the being right? I mean, I've got a couple of experiences where I had, I don't know if it was just a nightmare or like a weird in between. I think I might have talked about it. Before. But you know, I've had weird experiences like that too. So you know if you're being if you're having some memory brought up like that, like how much of that is? You actually saying, like this is what I'm seeing or that's just like, what your memory of that is, you know, what I'm saying is like I have memories as a kid and I'm like, yo, for real there was a monster under my bed, right? Obviously not. But if I had, if I got like hypnotized and, like, brought that up, what I still think it was a monster, or what I be able to explain and articulate like know, No.

15:19 It's just like a jumbled up mess of dirty laundry or some bullshit. I guess it's one of those things where you have to have been hypnotized to Congress. Kind of know what the experience is like and what you're actually remembering just a strange concept. But I don't, I agree with Jeff, but I don't know if you can actually remember being hypnotized. Like every see, that's that's what I'm kind of struggling with here is. I personally have never been hypnotized. So all of this is just hearsay, his story and what not in my head to this, to me, just comes across as a hearsay situation. He thinks he was remembering something that very well, could not have happened.

16:03 I don't know what that said that experience is like, so for all I know this guy is just making shit up. Yeah, it's not saying that it's Hypnotherapy isn't a thing or that it doesn't work or that it's bad or anything like that? Like, whatever do you think, right? But I don't know this, just I'm really struggling with this whole believing. What he's saying is what he actually experienced. My understanding of hypnotherapy is that this subject that's under hypnosis like brings up, regressive, memories and talks. Them.

16:43 And then the hypnotherapist then gives them suggestions and ideas to help them to overcome the sort of stuff. But everything I've seen people that come out of hypnosis, don't remember talking about that stuff, they don't remember any of that stuff because they're implanting this stuff in their subconscious where their mind has more or less blocked it out because of traumatic experiences or whatever it is and it helps them to get past, you know, whatever it is. Fear of flying fear of heights, you know, fear of riding in a car whatever. I write for the dark but they don't remember the conversations. And remember, you know, speaking like children and talking about these horrible things that happen to them as a child or whatever the situation is. So from what I'm hearing from him of saying like oh I remember all this stuff, I don't buy it now, he it could be legit and there could be.

17:35 I mean I'd have to Google it. I probably will during her next session and we'll talk about it at the next Junction. But from what I There stand. It just sounds like he's just trying to add more fluff to his book and just expecting people to believe it versus people being like, well, I don't agree with that. I don't think that that's actually what happened. Well, I want to, I want to point out a few things, one, he did say that he was looking for somebody who wouldn't progress his own, right story Into the hypnotherapy, he did say that. That he had Budd Hopkins to the ufologists with him in the room for recording purposes, right?

18:19 And also a blurp that I did not include, was that he had him in there for first specifically, for that reason, to monitor that exact situation, and making sure that the doctor isn't putting, or isn't basically flowing him through the certain path. Now, the other thing I want to point out too, is that there? I have done a lot of research into a lot of these 40 and like topics for you Mike. Stories and subjects that I've seen, I've read both. And that's a very good question. Jake do they or do they not remember the immediate time right? After, like, if they do, they wake up and they're like, huh, that was strange or do they be like Duck? What did I say right from now Hollywood would have you believe that it is the latter?

19:05 You know what you were saying? I don't know what the truth is and that's a very good question. I'm going to look it up. My only thing now is just to add on to that who's to say that the doctor and Bud didn't have a conversation beforehand but filled the guy yet Right. Also true. Yeah, that's just Devil's Advocate argument here. Yep, but I will say if you guys don't like hypnotherapy, this is gonna be a bad episode for you. It's been a rough one but it has a lot of very interesting stuff so you guys ready to move on Jeff you got anything else but Now he's shaking his head everybody. Nope. all right, real quick, it says Clinical hypnotherapy, Sydney, frequently asked questions, whatever it says, most people have the ability to remember everything that occurs when in hypnosis, although some may not always remember it. All, of course, there might be small trivial things that are forgotten.

20:09 There is a minority of people who may not remember what happens in hypnosis. However, this is a very small percentage so it looks like that. He definitely could have remembered Did you know what? He went through or what he saw and stuff like that. So then then the thing is, you know, like what Jeff was saying, is it that he is or maybe Ken's are is it that he is actually remembering events or he's at remembering allies told himself a bunch of times and is selling merchandise for it. Is it that you know maybe Something entirely different happened when he wasn't hypnosis.

20:53 But for the sake of his book he's like this is what happened during it. Yeah. Versus like they asked him, they asked him. Like, let's go into this thing. Is I go I made it all up for book sales or whatever. And then when he's doing his book, he's just like, oh and I had this crazy Vision, you know, or whatever. You know, the the circumstance was, I don't know. I would like to see, you know, what was that? You said, the guy that ufologists guide guy's name was Budd Hopkins but Hopkins if he has any documents where he is also solidifying that this is what occurred in this room, you know.

21:35 Also very good question. I'll have to look into that as well. I don't have that answer for you. Well, I mean just like as a general yeah, thought or whatever it just like there would have to be more than this because so far. I'm not on board with him and his story but in the thing I brought up last time was you know, what about his family or whatever it was, do they have compatibility saying? Like yes, this occurred and what not versus just him saying that. That, you know, heart for I believe gets more into that, but, you know, much, yes, you had mentioned that he talked about his kids, write it his kid, he mentioned, he talked about him and that he said that all this stuff was going on, but I want to know from the kids own mouth that this was going on, not what his dad is saying. He said, you know, interesting interest. Yeah, so hmm, which is defined in these sort of circumstances. Love to hear that too.

22:36 A second, a second opinion on the story or like the second right version of the story because because there's three versions to every story, your version, my version and the truth, right? So this very well could be that Whitley's version his sons version and then the truth of what happened. I would love to hear that story, then that's that might be something I get into when I get into the next book I'm going to read for this topic. It's a book called Called report on communion by Ed Conroy. And it's literally a book about this book and maybe Edge can get a little bit more into. This is what his son said?

23:17 It was maybe. I mean that's that's what we get with injured cold, right? It's not just it's not just Woody that's saying like this happened to me. It's then Tanya saying this happened, you know, and still happen stuff like that. It adds more credibility to the experience which I still I may not buy it but it's a lot harder to be like. Now this is ridiculous because there's multiple layers of this story, right? But in this circumstance, it's just him. And him saying, well this is what my kids said, and this is what other people said, and this is what the therapist said. All that sort of stuff. I could just be lying about it. All if I said, Jeremy told me that I'm the handsomest man on Earth and I put it in a book. He just never said that.

24:00 But I could just say that he did. Right, right. Know, until I go out with a book saying I did. Well, and that would completely, you know, knock off. Everyone that would say that, that would be fake, right? I don't know if we have that from this story. True, true. All right, so there's a kind of caveat there, right? There's a, you know, are you putting how much weight are you putting into Whitley's words and self by from themselves? So good? Yeah. So let's keep going. Yeah, for sure. Obviously there's there's is the elephant in the room right there but yeah that never gets answered and tell you they're not until like part 7 or 8 when I start looking into other point of views from of the story. Yes you get you guys ready to roll? Yeah all right Jeffrey.

24:49 Okay. Alright. Alright next one. A little bit of clarification. Whitley slowly calm down and completely reverse, his excitement and Terror into calm, slow and Confused speech, Whitley acted, as if he had just woken from the deepest sleep of his life. When asked about the thing in the shadow, he describes the being as sort of like a little person wearing a hood. He describes the thing, as being able to insert something directly into his mind, a speech, or language of sort of, some sort, one full of clicks. Squeaks smacking and shallow Soon after Whitley was no longer under hypnosis, the men agreed to go back in and cover more of the events from that night. So he was sent back into trance and began describing. The moment, the being came out of the Shadow and approached the side of his bed.

25:41 Calmer this time with leave described it as being short with dark slanted eyes, and as it looked down at him in his bed, Whitley was able to see that the being was completely Bolt. It's slowly reached out and touched with his head with an object that reminded him of a ruler with a solar. Silver Tip whenever the being made contact with his forehead, with his object, a picture appeared in his mind, the first image was of the Earth blowing up as well as a few others. The beings voice told them that this is your home and asked Whitley, do you know why this will happen? Whitley responded by saying, I know why?

26:23 And then ask the being Why don't you like me? The being then replied, I will not hurt you as a large bang erupted in Whitley. Began yelling that the house is on fire and snapped back out of hypnosis. As Whitley was regaining Consciousness in the present. He described that it wasn't a fire in the house. Instead the being held out a small needle, like object inches from his face. The object exploded into a blinding flash of pure white light coupled with the familiar Bang. When Whitley describes a bang Budd, Hopkins immediately asked him if it was the same. Bang heard by his son and wife that night Willie simply replied. Yes.

27:04 That was the thing. That was the one when my son thought I was throwing my shoe, all three men discuss the physical features of this thing, but nothing new came from it. But as they were revisiting, the pictures that were being forced into his head Whitley, highlighted one other image, other than the Earth blowing up, it was a picture of a serene. Rain and beautiful Green Park with his son although it was a pleasant picture with he could not help but feel that this significant or that this significant signified, the death of his son. He believed that the only thing that could be this peaceful was Heaven. It was at this moment that Budd Hopkins connected a few dots.

27:44 He believed that these two specific pictures were meant to show him. His biggest fears of losing his son and an end times. Apocalyptic event with the agreed and made. An even further connections to the book. He was working on called War day at in which Whitley had to dig deep for the darkest demise of Earth for the story, he could not remember any other pictures but he assured that there was at least one more. He described it as being jumbled or scrambled. So the men agreed never going back for one more time today. All right guys were at a Breaking Point. What you guys think so far? This is, this is all just his memory, right? This is there's no actual evidence of these beings. All you correct?

28:36 Yes, this is just in his mind. As far as many men as far as we do know, maybe it's just because I've been on this like space is fake kick for a while right or something? I don't know, but anytime I think of aliens my immediate shift is it's got to be interdimensional entities you know interacting with us and Altered States Of Consciousness like deep sleep or meditative States. So you know maybe I don't know, that's just kind of where I'm leaning, right? Now, it's probably an entity messing with this guy could be implanting information for sure. Who knows what agenda this entity as we think.

29:19 Jeff trip sir. Trickster. Yeah, yeah. Maybe. So the Gin bro. You know, I was actually just talking about this with my girlfriend of the day, the Jinn. And like the idea that we don't really, you know, we live in time, we talked about this on Gateway, we live in time, you know, in these entities could be outside of time, they could be an alternate, or, you know, whatever Dimensions where the time doesn't exist. So a gin right? A genie trickster. One of these entities who existed a million years ago could still be existing right now. Could just be like a Weekend for this thing. As far as We Know, just fucking with people. Could show up at any point in time because it lives literally in a dimension where time doesn't exist. Yep.

30:07 Just fucking with people that you're afraid of your son dying in the apocalypse or some images, write a book. And you know, there's one thing I want to point out too is that Whitley was quite known for his apocalyptic writings. I mean, he wasn't ever like the most popular of authors or, you know, his books never really made a huge I know that after the communion story or maybe before, I'm not sure. I think it was after he came out with a book called the greys, which end up doing really good, but I think it was due to the communion story that ended up doing good because he ended up. I believe you wrote the book the greys, as a reflection of the community story. And he came out and said, obviously this one is completely fictional.

30:52 But I did get my my interest for this from the grades are from the community. But, you know, so he that is something that he definitely did worry about. He did a lot of research into apocalyptic events, whether they be from The Acts of God or from humans themselves nuclear war natural natural events such as super volcanoes or or asteroid or whatnot. I mean he pretty much wrote about it all. It was kind of a specialty that you know that just goes right with my Point. I mean, you know some of these, in my opinion, some of these entities are very parasitic, right?

31:35 They feed off of negative energies, fears, anxiety, and all kinds of stuff, right? Well, these demons or whatever, they literally are just out there messing with people. Making them anxious, making them afraid showing them their fears in their dreams in the form of nightmares or however you can imagine, right? And maybe this guy is just one of the billion people that are affected by this kind of thing. Also, very convenient to be a writer on end times type stuff, or Global catastrophe, type stuff. So that later on when something really big happens like Mount st. Helens 2.0, he can be like, ah, this is what I saw in my dream and then give him himself his own credibility, through his bologna story.

32:22 So, I'm gonna come back to Budd Hopkins and this doctor had a conversation before hand and he knew he's in a He writes about apocalyptic end times and all that. But Hawkins said, this is the guy you're dealing with, this is what he does. This is his story and now the doctor is showing him all this apocalyptic and Time stuff, because this is what the guy does, why not? Just to play Devil's Advocate there on the hypnotherapy thing now. But Hopkins was a fairly reputable person. He was a prominent figure in Alien Abduction phenomena and he did a lot of UFO research, but he was also a an artist too, he was quite known.

33:06 I know that when I originally looked up Budd Hopkins, just kind of, you know, try I know who this man was that was part of this story. This guy's got an entire I do. This is how, you know, you're famous. He's got an entire Wikipedia page. I mean like a lot, it was a big page to wasn't just like to perform things. I'm looking at it right now, are you? Yeah, they decided to Google the guy. I mean he's you know he has a lot a lot going on here. He was reputable person in the 40 and studies you know he was up. There is definitely somebody That a lot of people trusted. So, I mean, I don't know, I'm just, like, I do, I'm leaning.

33:51 I want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, right? And just assume that what he thinks happened to him happened to him, right? That's kind of how I play the game. So let's just assume that the hypnotherapy thing is legit and whatever and what the information being pulled out, as far as he is concerned, Whitley is concerned, is is legit even still? The information could be some implanted. In by some entity in another dimension. So like, I guess you could use that argument for literally anything, but anything, and that's that's what we do a good job at, you know, honestly in the show, there's going to be someone who doesn't believe it, who thinks it's a complete bullshit. Some ways we like, yeah, you know, there's probably a pretty good chance and then somebody says, I need a little bit more information.

34:32 That's what we do kid. You seem like you had something to say, No, I was looking at the guys artwork, is it good? It's abstract artwork, he took a bunch of circles made triangles out of them, and made them all different colors and then threw it all together. It's not bad, but it's not my kind of artwork. So, would you see? Jake million-dollar art right there? Yeah. Yes, yeah, yes. Yes or napkins, whatever. Let's move on you guys, ready? All right, all right, concluding the Session during this very brief stint under hypnosis Whitley witnessed images. Much slower in clear as commanded by dr.

35:15 Klein, during his conduction of the practice, the Earth was being viewed from a point in space, and the red ball that was once blue was burning in a ball of fire with sporadic puffs of smoke seeming to detonate randomly all over. He couldn't see the ground, but Whitley knew that all of mankind was down there one by one losing their lives to The Inferno. Next image, his son was small and unable to move, but looking directly at with you, with black, white, Le sighs feelings of fear for his child's life flooded his emotions. Then there was the third one, one that depicted his father laying on the couch from his childhood. His father's chin pointed up towards the ceiling with his head tilted, back, and his father's body convulsing in the throes of death. With these mom, sat watching as her husband's life was strangled away the Seen flooding with me with all the emotions ranging from Rage confusion and sadness, this was a much different scene than what his mother told him as a child when she described how his father had passed away before Whitley could act within the depths of his seed gnosis, he was thrust it out of his mind and backed to dr.

36:27 Klein's office. All right, guys. So we've seen a little bit more on all three, of the images. Now, you got anything else to add? Pretty other than has this guy know that we're on a globe in space, created that way to even begin with that's the thing, right? If it turns out that the Earth is flat, we know this guys fucking lie, right? Could be Kirby? That's the one thing. The one thing that could blow his entire story apart. He'd listen, all I'm saying is anybody who's listening who is a flat earther, they just heard that and they were like, op know, this guy's full of shit bullshit. Yep, it's all of them right there.

37:16 Yeah, it has to be in order for someone to have credibility in like Ewing things of the future. Those things have to take place or what he's saying and what he's describing has to take place, it can't be a point of it being like Oh there were people know. It have to be like the entire thing in order to be credible. So either either he, I don't know yet at this point, whether he gives weight to these Visions because it could be what Jeff said, you could be just a demonic Force, you know, just jacking up his mind and stuff, you know. It could be I don't know, it could be his own subconscious because of how how much time he spent already. Manufacturing stories that contain this sort of imagery and stuff could be that.

38:06 But yeah, I don't know. We'll have to listen further to hear if he actually puts weight in this and thinks that he had a like a vision of the future. Because yeah I mean just like what you guys are joking about the ends up, the World is Flat, then you know, they're his flat. Then we know that, you know, he's absolutely full of crap, it wasn't a vision. At least it wasn't a true vision of the future. It was just something going on his own head. So now I will say from my own point of view and I don't really have anything to really back it up. I was thinking something along the lines of just kind of give you a peek under what my My theory is our here.

38:51 I think that the guy went through something and I think that the guy may have been visited by an entity, whether it be an alien from another place and space or multi interdimensional beings such as trickster, or gin or a demonic entity. I think you got visited by something, and I don't know, necessarily at the pictures where we're images of the future. But I do think that, you know, if if I'm gonna take His word for it and say that this stuff did happen that this was something that was placed in, it was my own scared the shit out of them. And it wasn't necessarily a view of the future is more of a view of his of his personal fears.

39:34 That's kind of what my belief is. It's kind of why I highlighted it here. Hey, here's my idea. What you got, what if he was seeing was somewhat related to the supervolcano? And Yellowstone. That's Yellowstone, right? What if that's what he saw? I mean why a wild kind of out there Theory but that's where my head went possibly. But I mean, if you look at the other two right? I don't remember if I really get into it, I don't think I do. I think I left this part out because I mean, there's so much of a person's book that I can try to rewrite without stealing the entire book, right? So there's some stuff that I've deleted. But he did kind of go into how his mother described his father's death.

40:27 Now, his mother described his father's death as just the Man simply passing away peacefully on the couch you know they were near each other and you know she just looked over and he was dead, he's dead. I'll seem like a very, very peaceful death and that's what she passed down to everybody including Whitley himself so which we do get into just a tiny tiny bit here. I think in the very next a paragraph a little bit about the history between Whitley and this father and why that may have been the significant image that was pushed into his head. Hmm. All right, you guys ready to roll? All right, let's do it. A chat after post hypnosis the men mostly discussed two things. The new images of his father's death and the bang between the two witnessing.

41:21 His father's death was thought to have had been a tie to Whitley's relationship with his father. See, this is what I'm talking about. Whitley was young, when his dad had died at the time, he had his own life and never really gave his father of the time of day. Something, he regretted more and more the older he got along with the time. That building a relationship with his own son. They believed it was a projection of what least guilt of never being there for his dad. As for the bang. But Hopkins interviewed with these wife Ann and therefore a nanny days, prior to the session and dr. Klein's office combined with Whitley's new description. The men believe the being created a literal streak of lightning in front of his face and the bang was reporter from the Thunder. But without the typical Echo and rolling common with under the session that took place on March, 1st 1986 came to its conclusion after This at this attempt and the men all agreed to come back and try again, in four days. All right guys.

42:25 So does that clarify? Anything does that change anything? My opinions are the same. I get it. Totally understand. But it is an interesting story and if it actually happened to him I mean like I wouldn't want it to happen to me. Yeah, right. I agree. Totally. I, you know, I don't know for sure, but I'd feel like I wouldn't want a big gray pine cone shoved at my butt. I know, right, just jammed up in there. You know. What's sad is that in this episode? Okay, so for those that are waiting for this you can just turn it off. Now we don't talk about that anymore, really? Yeah.

43:06 But we can still make jokes about it. Oh yeah, absolutely. And there's a, there's a better one that might be coming up soon. Okay, telephone pole and he tasted every inch of the sexual comment re everybody bear with us while we take this quick break. Continues now. We're good. All right. You guys ready? Let's dive into the second session in which he covers. The second time that this stuff has happened to her one more time.

43:48 The following is a summary of the entire transcript from the second session of hypnotherapy with dr. Klein, the session took place on March 5th, 1986. In this time, the goal was to uncover forgotten information surrounding. At least second encounter from the night of December 26, 1985 and mr. Budd Hopkins was present to record in witness the session as they did before, dr. Klein began by asking with the, about dinner, on December 26th, the family was enjoying cold Goose leftovers from their Christmas dinner the night prior soon. They were fast-forwarding to Whitley waking up to a being walking through his doorway.

44:29 As whatever it was entering his room, a large group of other smaller ones filed in behind it. They were fast, all of them move continually the entire time with Lee describe. The first one is wearing a large Blue card on its chest and sporting a round hat with the describe. The first out, I just just read that Whitley also describe it as wearing a mask with eyeholes and small round and a small round hole for the mouth. This one comes to It'll right next to the bed, the others moving very quickly were very similar to the first but we're all wearing blue coveralls and completely bald. Yes guys, the minions Whitley stands up and immediately strips off all of his clothes against his will. During this time, he's scared to death as he begins to walk away from his bed out of his room through his living room, out of his front door and onto the front porch, where, what he described as a quote Black Iron cot was waiting while Whitley was moving from his bed to his porch. He was escorted by the beings, which seemed to be moving him by means of something.

45:40 Unseen, he describes these beings as quote little bitty people, as we approach the cot like object. He grew even more scared and concerned but he could not stop himself. He was not in control of his own body. At this point, he laid down on the contraption and it began to roll off the porch. Or what he thought was rolling at least. And soon after his concern regarding the reality of this event faded away as began to float higher into the air with Lee believe that he must be sleeping at this point. Before I knew it, he was in a clearing in the woods in the area completely void of snow, this made him think that was actually very far away. From the cabin, possibly in a different state. As a ton of snow fell the night prior Whitley focused as one of the beings began to try to talk to him but he Could not hear what it was trying to say, but his body reacted, as if it did, hear the words perfectly, and it did not like, but the thing had to say to his anxiety, grew is heartbeat. Fastened and is breathing quickened, then Whitley yelled. I'm awake.

46:46 That's it for that paragraph. What do you guys think? Weird. Do you guys not get the, the minions connection I did. But I'm like, I wonder if someone someone read the book and they were like, I could make a movie like that, that was that was what went through my head. You know what's funny is that, that is a theory that is a theory that people have pushed around about the minions was that the minions actually were created as part, or in part of these particular Critters here in the cleaning book.

47:26 No, I don't. I don't know what the actual origins of those things, but it is, it is kind of funny to kind of see the parallels between the two. Did you know they have their own language now? Yes minionese no. It's a thing. Never seen it. Yeah, you never seen just Despicable Me. Nope. Thought Borg never seen Star Trek. So whatever. I don't have kids or anything. I'm a reason to watch, like animated shows, I'm not 12, you know, yes, I mean I'm pretty sure Despicable Me was far enough back that It wasn't like we were.

48:06 I'm in my 30s bro. Bro. So gloomy didn't come out until my kids were born. Yeah that's not. I mean you want to talk to animated lost a decade old now? Yeah, I was watching like Dragon Ball Z back in the day. Yeah, my oldest is almost 12. So, I'm pretty sure the first Despicable Me came out when she was a baby. Could be wrong, Jake. You're just baby man. No, not literally Bitty Baby Jake's just sitting there watching cartoons, putting stuff in his butt. Mmm gray, gray, Legos in the butt. All right, you guys ready to move? Yeah.

48:51 Yeah. You guys are talking a bunch of that. I don't like it. All right. Chosen One dr. Klein recognized. This is Whitley slipping out of his hypnosis and quickly redirected him to focus. Kissing on getting back to the state of rest and you did it in order to continue. It worked this time. He was able to recognize that they were in a large bunker, like structure in the woods. He also realized that one of the beings was attempting to talk to him and he and he was still attached to the cop like contraption that he laid down on only now, he was sitting up in, whatever it was. It was conformed to the angles that he was sitting in, even when moving his limbs before he knew it, he was shooting.

49:32 Towards the Sky. He watched, as he crossed the threshold outlined by the tops of trees his feet, traveled further, and further away from the canopy of the woods below him. The next thing he knows he's in a room and no longer held prisoner by The Car Armor. He describes the room is dirty. Have you a faint odor? Of cheese, there was another being in the room with them, but this one was different from all the other ones who was introduced to before it was a difficult creature described. As a shared, almost nothing with Owens and the characteristics of the things physique was even remotely from wasn't even remotely familiar. As Whitley was thinking about how he had had a feeling that this creature was on the older side, it replied to him without him, actually asking the question. Yes, I am old and look directly at Whitley from inches in front of him.

50:25 As his head, unwillingly moved from side to side, as if, under control of some unseen Force, the being seen To be studying Whitley as she told him in a deep low voice that there was going to be an operation performed, which immediately sent him into a screaming, fit for help, his fear was overwhelming. But through all of the sound he was making its voice asked. Clearly how can we help you to stop screaming in which really are applied? You can let me smell you, as she leaned in and the aroma of cardboard and cinnamon filled his olfactory receptors, tiny footsteps are Surrounded, Whitley's backside and a bang, whatever they had to do, they did it in a split second to the back of his head, his head and the whole time.

51:12 The small leathery being stared into Whitley's eyes. Trapping is attention to allow the Deeds of others to be fulfilled after the seconds passed, and which he was trapped in her gaze. She lifted something from below. The line of sight is that your penis? He has shockingly. I thought you were a woman. He began to feel as if he wanted the throw up as whatever it actually was began to punch him, repeatedly in different parts of his midsection the beings from behind him, poked his lips in an attempt to force, open his mouth with their tiny hands and what he could only describe his fingers, the only thing that made sense to him, was that, whatever that penis thing was, is what they were trying to shove in his mouth.

51:57 So there was no way he was going to willingly, let that happen. That's seemingly out of nowhere. The being in, which he thought was a female said, in its deep voice. You are chosen one, I knew you weren't gonna hold it. This kid, can we speak now? Yeah, go ahead and send now this guy, you know, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, you know? So I was tracking, I was like, okay, you know, and still could be Could be the gin. I mean, dude, you're talking about biggest fears, bro.

52:38 Giggles casually dick. We're just guy from again, New York City. Well, he grew up in Texas, grew up in Texas. It's the math. I'm sorry. Being the chosen one is wrong, then. I don't want anyway. Oh man. Wow, yeah, I was dying. So what's funny right? Is that when I'm reading it I don't have your guys's face up. I have the whole screen showing my notes right? And I'm just sitting there while I'm reading a word for word. I'm like Jake's gonna go and I was like he's got to be on mute, he's gotta be a mute point where it's like it wanted to shove it in his mouth.

53:27 See on video, I'm over here like covering my face and just starting it just crack. I mean if you're projecting fears, man, that's pretty good one. It's like I want to rip on it so hard but I can't help but think that something awful happened to him growing up that he is projecting through the things that he writes about. Now, I know you said in the first one that this was the first time he wrote about aliens but you talked about right about was it. He had written about all kinds of other things. Yeah, but this is like this is like traumatic memories wrapped around fictional stuff being projected out because of hypnotherapy.

54:13 Yeah, like this is rough. That's where I was starting to go with. That's where my head was starting to go with this. Is this guy is traumatized, he is severely fucking traumatized by something and he has just pushed it back into the corners of his mind that he can't. He can't actually access because so far back in the in his subconscious, now it happens. It's a thing, it's terrifying. And that's what I'm seeing. Now, is a traumatized man who has no idea what he went through and this is how he's coping with it. Like maybe and it maybe there were some parts to it. He's talking about grey, aliens may be, it was like you know the guy had a gray hood on and sunglasses. Hmm and he's just latching onto that. Being like owes grey aliens or something like that. Like it's it's funny.

55:07 Him describing the sir stuff. But I don't know, I can't help but think that there was something pretty awful that happened to him at some point in his brain, just kicked it back was like, nope, not going to think about that and now it's being pulled out and it's coming out in, you know, wild forms do too, you know. I don't know, just the subconscious trying to protect him or whatever, just like his own thoughts and like, you know, because writers that the deal with fantasy and stuff, they're pretty weird. You know, that you gotta really have a hardcore imagination for that sort of stuff. Yes.

55:49 So maybe it just, it's part of that. This is why I want the sons story. Yeah, maybe a son story would really help solidify, all of this and exactly tell it, like, it would pretty much exactly tell us K is this guy's making shit up because he's traumatized versus they all actually experience something. He could still be making stuff up because it's because he's traumatized, but if the sun could come back and actually, Confirm something. It would help with this help. This story so much. Yep, I don't disagree. If he comes up and says the grey aliens tried to get me to.

56:31 Then it's like, well, all right. Right. Yep, came at me with her big gray weiners. There's just so many of these man, you know, and I really do the more I get into stuff. Dude, I just really think that a lot of this shit is entities, man. And it's not just for this stuff, but there's just so many things dude, that if you really think about like that concept, entities, have an agenda that we have no idea what it is. There's no reason to think that they're not just giving people ideas for shit, right? I even talked about it on like a physical level, right? We're like they will still implant the ideas of like microchips. Push it into people's minds, so that they'll go and actually invent these things. And then next thing, you know, we're all being controlled by fucking devices, right?

57:16 So it's Yeah, well that whole repressed you know, events that could possibly happen where it was in the sexual inner. You know that's something I haven't really Dove down. Now that's interesting that is a very interesting Direction point of view. To look at this I don't know. I'm still I'm still on the I'm leaning towards that this guy really had some kind of meeting or visit from something, some being, whether it be a trickster alien or or whatnot, Bigfoot, maybe I had to put it in there, so I don't know.

58:07 I'm gonna let you guys take that. That point of view, I'll continue over on this side, maybe he's is interesting, maybe he's He's a, you know, a really good liar and an incredible narcissist out of all the people on earth. That could be, you know, molested by aliens. Why is he the chosen one? Well, who's to say that 90% of the population hasn't been Has has 90 has most of the population been put under hypnotherapy. They're not put that on me. Hey man, I'm just saying, you know, I don't know, it sounds like you might need a regular therapist more than a hypnotherapist but that's just my opinion. Well, maybe maybe you're right, maybe you're right, but maybe Budd Hopkins has some work done maybe but Hopkins did a report on this too that'd be somebody that I might look into two and see where his point of view is because apparently Budd Hopkins.

59:00 Also, His wife and his son and Amy but not jacquez. Apparently, Jacques wasn't able to really Jacques her Jack or whatever. For his name is I call. Jacques was because that's how it's spelled. So I don't know. We'll see. That is definitely another Avenue. I'll go down. Once I'm done with this book and I'm done with Ed Commerce book. So I'm going to stay away from hypnotherapist these days because they try to convince me that I'm like a dog trapped. In a man's body or something. Dude, I'll go with you. I'll watch and make sure nothing. Yeah. And then you'll be like I love the Giants. The Giants are the best and I'm gonna win.

59:42 Let's watch the all the Super Bowl. Let's watch him score. That home run. I've never felt more alive when I watch the Giants. No, you have to move to Wisconsin. It's the only way make him feel like he's a walrus. Like that movie task every time he sees a banana, he just starts doing, cartwheels and yelling the Star-Spangled Banner every time. Every grocery store or not. All right, you guys ready? Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Next paragraphs called. Wow, that's a strange question.

1:00:25 Quote, you are our chosen one with these reply to this was that it was Alice, it's bullshit. And I want to go home and which you reply is, what if we don't want you go home? The conversation took a hard left turn when the being asked him are you as hard as you can get? Can you get any harder before Whitley was able to provide this provided shock reply to his completely? Asinine question. She cuts his finger open with a small incision with intense speed, and he is instantly back in his cabin, butt-naked and middle of his living room. He heads the bathroom release himself brushes. His teeth puts his pajamas back on, lays down next to his wife. He touches her back in the warmth radiating offer. Fresh reassures.

1:01:13 That he is really back. All right. That was a short one. What do you guys think? There is no Whitley only Zuul. He's the keymaster, I don't get it for what? Oh goodness. Smack. You. Right in the teeth. Shame on you. That's what we this is hard. As you can get. He's, she said with her his thin lips and Hollow black eyes.

1:01:54 I'm going to caress me with his his/hers fingers, boy, like cinnamon and cardboard. It's gotta be All right, we're already over now. Let's continue guys. Ready? Yeah, we got one this last paragraph. This is it. This is. This is the end of the show. You guys ready? Oh, my goodness. Let's go before. He falls asleep. Next to his wife while still under hypnosis dr. Klein Cuts, in and ask what? Whitley to describe the being they continually referred to in the feminine Whitley begins. Describing every detail he conjure up about the being She's bold has a very large head compared to the body.

1:02:38 The eyes are bulging out from the face and her skin is yellowish brown with lipless flaps surrounding her mouth. She spoke to me but not with her mouth. I never saw its lips move. The words were just there. And she reminded me of a bug, but not a bug. Just plug like Whitley then went on to explain that he was unsure if it was actually a woman or not. Dr. Klein then redirects the conversation to her question about him being hard. And Willie confirms that it was in reference to his penis, which on excitingly a minute hung at half-mast. As she questioned him. He went on to explain that. He was unaware, he was in that state until she asked about it and there was no getting harder with her being there. Dr. Klein went on to redirect the Reclamation of events, yet again, this time asking why he said it was bullshit that he was chosen one Whitley replied because they have a ton of them trust me.

1:03:35 Seen them. I've seen countless other people when asked dr. Klein when I was 12 he went on to explain that once he had actually sat up from the bed that they normally put him on and he saw hundreds of other people lying flat on their backs asleep and other beds. He explained that one of the beings told him that it was time for him to go home, Whitley ignored, it and went on to ask it quote who are all of these people in which he replied. They are soldiers. We check them then bring them back home with he told dr. Klein that when he looked around he was shocked to notice. Two other faces that he recognized instantly his sisters and his father's.

1:04:19 His father was scared this. He could tell his sister was sleeping, Soldier is in and out of uniform were all around him then faster than he could realize they were all on a train, a train that he recognizes trained that he his father and his sister. Took to Chicago. Once he was young from there, then home in Texas Whitley became panicked as his hypnosis, bounced him back and forth between the train and the strange room with people lying on beds all around him. It became too much for him, and he was woken for the session scared of what they all could possibly mean with the ask the doctor and Bud. If he could be done for the day, they all agreed that this was more than enough for now. Alright guys, that's all I have for today. What do you guys think?

1:05:07 Yes, come on. Jacob. I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to put a, what is it? Like, a disclaimer in the front of this, it says, hey, we talked about wieners a lot, so just, you know, hard wieners floppy. Wieners wieners in general, a lot of Windows in this one. So yeah, yeah. You just just put a little sexual content disclaimer on the front of it. It's gonna be a fucking really popular episode. I'll tell you what, trigger warning, winners everywhere, and your ears, and your eyes flaps for mouths and lots of winners. What is, what is a lipless flat or toothless flap for lips above her lips, a little wet? So, like, instead of having, like the red part of your lips, I would assume it just cut off right there. I don't know.

1:06:00 That's what I'm thinking. There's no idea. Yeah, no idea, toothless, flap. Do we know anything without lips. We gotta hit up concern. Say we talk about Flaps in this episode are not cancer. Sorry yeah we're here in this episode. No tell them both so Okay, so we kind of just kind of dissect that last bit a little bit to make it clear because I as already I guess I did a pretty bad job at writing it. Apparently, he believes that this are that he's on covered that. This has been happening to him, not just in the year prior to this but since he was 12 years old, and And possibly, his first actual abduction was on a train ride and overnight train ride from his town in Texas to Chicago Illinois and it was done while he was in motion.

1:07:08 I'm training with his dad and his sister. So they all everybody apparently got abducted on that train that night. It's the whole idea of them being soldiers. Jeff. I did not mean to click the hands up button. Do you have talk now? Yes. What's your know I was unmuting anyways to talk. But is there anybody else from the train that Came out and was like, dude, I don't know yet, we'll get a whole Train full of people. A couple of them should have remembered wieners. No, I'm not fear.

1:07:52 We started off good. The first half of this. I was like, yeah. And now the second half is on my no. Do know. What do you think that? It's a no, because it's, it's made up or to know because it's a regressed memory or it's a, no, because You don't want to be abducted and get slapped in the face by, you know, gray alien weiner. Definitely that. But, no, I think, I think there's a problem with memories, man. I think obviously there's a problem. Big problem with memories, you know, details get lost so quickly with memories. That's the whole game of like, telephone, right? Like you can't expect your memories to be at all, reliable. And I, that's what I meant in my first spiel about this at the first Junction.

1:08:36 End of conversation here where I said that you know, how do you know what you're pulling up in a hypnotic regression isn't some fucked-up memory like sure. We can pull the memory out of the subconscious that you weren't able to pull up before. But is that memory still like a fucking weird memory? That's totally off from reality. So Maybe you know, I hate to say this and I say this kind of jokingly which is also fucked up because this does happen to people which is messed up but maybe he was just the molested or something at some point and he's having his surprise he's traumatized and he's going to hypnotic regression. He's a Sci-Fi writer and all these other things and now he's like come up with this grandiose memory that to him, he truly believes and when when pulled out of him and hypnosis he says what he believes you don't I you know, No, I don't know that that is a point of view that I haven't really dove into before. It's interesting.

1:09:36 It definitely answers. It feels a lot of holes. But what if what if the actual event happened on the train? What if it happened when he was 12 years old? Well, I think that having a memory like that it would have to be the The. Like how fond of a memory was it? It was a really good time. Something that he would really hold on to, right? Because there's a lot of things I've experienced in my 31 years. Very few of them are like, really sweet times, right? But if I was to try to remember those ones. It'd be a lot easier than a mundane, you know, day at work or something like that. But what's interesting about dreams now I don't know if it's the same thing about, you know, pulling up progressed memories because whether you know, whether they are, Like this whole thing right here with this hypnosis thing has been a search for regressed memories for more detail and more specifics, right.

1:10:41 So but in your dreams, when you see a human being and you don't on first thought, like if you wake up and you remember your dream, you're like, I don't know who that person is. You've seen that person at some point, right? Your brain is not good at making up faces. So, anytime you see someone's face, it could have been from a commercial. Or something like that, whatever passing them on the street, your brain will fill in people's faces with people you've already seen before. It's not going to make it up. So it would make sense that if he was talking about a dream or an experience, maybe he, you know, Maybe he has seen all these people at some point and like, his brain was filling it in but and it is somehow tied to a memory of his sister and his and his father going on this train and him. You know, going on this train, I don't really know how to I don't really know how to put into words, what I'm thinking about this.

1:11:46 Like, I don't know, like what Jeff was saying, I don't know how much your brain would make up in a hypnotherapy session. I've never done it before, I don't plan to, but if I was had to remember something, how much of it would be, in fact, the truth and how much of it would be random crap that my brain is just this spilling out there, right? Or you know, some childhood memories Like I have this memory that is completely ridiculous that when I was like, 6 years old, I burped in a green bubble came out. And it had a piece of rice in it because I was eating some, like, Chinese food or whatever that is 100% fabricated by my brain.

1:12:35 But I can tell you that, I remember it, like, it was an actual event that happened. And I think the reason why I remember that is because I probably said that as, you know, some fantastic thing. To some people, like friends at school over and over and over again till my brain believes that, it actually happened. Now, I can tell you right now that did not happen, but I still have that memory but it's a false memory, right? So I don't know how much of that would go into this, with the truth come out and be like, I, you know, I talked to hypnotherapist to say, I totally made it up. Or would that come out somehow? And I'd be like, oh, one time when I was six. I was eating Chinese food and I burped a green bubble, and peace. Of rice was floating in it because I believe that because I said that story so many times as a child, right? So I don't know where the connection is to where he could say.

1:13:27 You know, maybe he's told this story so many times and he more or less believes it that he's just adding more to it. But none of this is actually true and it's all fabricated but he's just going to latch on to an actual memory which was him and his dad and his sister riding on this train for Come to Texas or from Texas or whatever, right? I don't know. It's interesting. Really, it's really an interesting story but it certainly adds more questions than answers when it comes to all of the ridiculous sexual stuff because I can't think that that has anything, that that has anything other to do with or that it I can't think that it doesn't have anything to do with being molested or messed around with or something like that and that was just buried, you know, right?

1:14:22 And which sucks, you know, we get it right. If that's the truth and that's awful. It's horrible. I think. Part 1. I said this guy was mentally ill and a complete. Wackadoo, I'm gonna I'm gonna Sue not stand by that. I still think he's mentally ill. Definitely mentally ill. But I also now think he's extremely traumatized. Is he a wackadoo probably not. I think this guy's experience something that he doesn't know how to handle. He didn't know how to handle. So he buried it in the back of his mind and this is how he's now coping with it. So because the mind does crazy things. So I'm fairly fairly familiar with alien abduction stories, right.

1:15:16 There's the There's like four four or five like really big time. Alien abduction stories and will eventually get into all of them, right? You have the Travis Walton story. You have this one with these Troopers communion, Betty and Barney Hill and Tonio Vilas. Boas are boys, which is probably one of the biggest ones ever. And then from there, I mean, you have some other smaller ones and you have some really big ones with just, you know, alien craft like the was it the Virginia South American one where beings actually came out of a crashed ship which again will eventually get into I don't remember.

1:16:07 And I could be wrong but I don't ever remember any of these, having a sexual aspect to it, other than communion, which really plays to your guys, is point of view here that this is could. This could really just be. Yeah, if that's the case. If this is the only story that you can think of then yeah, I would lean more towards. It's a this guy's trying to rationalize his traumas. Yeah. But on the other hand it could be both. It could be that an experience happened to him. With to Jeff's Point into Jeremy's point of a, you know, demonic entity that was jerking around with him. And he actually did experience these things but in a, you know, in maybe like nightmares and visions and stuff, you know, I don't believe it, but he could have had an alien experience. And he could also have had trauma in the past. You know, what's the, what's the key marker of aliens visiting people?

1:17:12 I don't know what that is, but it could be people that have had trauma in their past. Yeah. Well, you know, that could be the trauma in itself, right? Like Jeremy said earlier right, like, he could have actually had an experience with some entity, right? I'm some kind inter-dimensional, or not, whatever. And that could have been when he was 12, right? And now later on eyes, got all of this like exaggerated Vicious memory fuckery with that experience, I did happen. So we're still not getting the actual details of the events that make sense, like it's all clouded and we're going off Hypno, you know, therapy shit here. It's like so I want to actually take back what I said.

1:17:59 From the from the four or five major ones, right? there may not be any like real sexual connections, but All the time. And I can't believe, I actually skipped over this. But all of the time, the reason why we joke so much about anal probes is because that is something that has been reported quite a bit. Also, extracting semen and eggs. It is something that has been talked about and boarded an alien abductions. I, you know, I kind of embarrassed for myself or even forgetting that. That but you know, when it comes to like the big four or five stories out there right now, I don't believe any of them really have a sexual thing.

1:18:48 I could be wrong on one or two of them, eventually will get back to normal. Well, dive into them really uncover whether or not they do, but I was wrong. There definitely is a sexual aspect to a lot of this including interbreeding, both by artificial. And by natural means, So, by removing sperm and eggs and then also by regular coitus with with an alien creature. So I mean shit you know there's a there's a theory out there that us humans are just alien primate hybrids you know.

1:19:32 That's why we have skin instead of fur or hair all over our bodies because we have half of their genes and half of a primate sheets. Jake. I know you don't believe any of that but that is just Theory that's out there so there's that. But I like her is a church or in my own town. If you want to start going no no I like it. I believed it. I was just saying that that is a very common thing and as far as I know I don't Probably going to get sued now. It's probably take this out. Oh, shit, you're probably right about those people, there.

1:20:13 Any mention of it, you get sued. Um, well bleep it out. But what about like? The idea of there's so many different variations of extraterrestrials, you're going to tell me that there's that many different types of extraterrestrials that are visiting. The planet, I have had all kinds of ones. There's a lot, dude, definitely The baked or the short grey aliens with black eyes, green. Aliens, like the kelly green men, right? You got the mix. The nordics, the reptilians. You got the injured colds. Apparently, the, insectoids the insectoids, got all these different variations. There's a lot.

1:20:53 There is a lot of there man and it's like, every single one of them, even the insectoids know how to get over here, you know, honest or stuff. It's like either. I don't know II, can't put a lot of weight into any sort of alien story without thinking. Like, you know, Jeff said that there is a very much more nefarious thing going on just to create confusion, just to Jack people up, you know, all kinds of stuff but yeah, nothing is what it seems, my friends questionnaire. So check this out, right?

1:21:34 Here you go. The book, the Extraterrestrial species Almanac. Mmm, it's a hold of look filled with different species of alien beings man. Bro, somebody's making money on that dude. I'm about to make a book, dude. I'm not even kidding bro. I'm going to make a book that thick about the Moschino in the DMT world. I'm just going to make it up. Make your knees straight, all of it and it jerk. Oh yeah, dude. Like, I have crazy ideas for books, and my been racking my head about who I can get to illustrate them Jake, I've even asked you if you drew remember that. Yeah.

1:22:17 Dude, huh. We're about to make some money with this shit Pazuzu. Hey, look, they say right on their website that if you're making more than like 15,000 a month, that you owe them royalties. So eventually it'll be, you know, a thing. If Actually making money with it. But yeah, they say it's wide open. You can go ahead and use their use the art because all, it's all based off your prompts. It's not ripping anyone off to ya Makin. 15 grand a month. You can have all the royalties you want. Oh, yeah, set for 100%. It's like problems, you know, he's sweating it right. Like my landlord hit me up the other day and he's like a bro, I hate to tell you about the rents going up like 30 bucks.

1:23:01 Hope that's ok. I'm like bro I'm not stressing $30 and I got to move Move over $30 a month, it'll cost me more to get a Truck, fill it with gas move the whole thing. Then what you're talking about over the whole year Maestro. Man, that's 360 bucks. Nice dressing bro. Cause you more than that to move? I get all right. Anybody else have anything else to say? We're at an hour and 22 minutes? I know Jeff is probably freaking the fuck out. This is bedtime. Yeah. It's close to my bedtime but I might actually play some video games tonight. It's been a while. I like your face Studio background, let's just do the party, right? I like how you look like a ghost because her I just actually made this background on mid-journey during the episode. You guys watching, you'll notice the change that happened made at caesarea.

1:23:51 I like watch you. Do the change back? What? I've been working on, I've been working on the thumbnail for the YouTube video. There you go. That's awesome. Oh, for me. Yeah. Or for this For this episode 04, this episode cool. I got a picture of Whitley strieber, and it looks just like, I we get sued for that Tim's artwork which I sent a picture of to the group chat, by the way, I did see it. Well, let's go ahead and, and get out of here. So, everybody listen to, this doesn't have to hear about all of this business decisions. All right, well, that That has been another episode of The Infinity Rabbit Hole podcast.

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