Communion Part 3/ Deep Conspiracy Rabbit Hole Session

0:00 So I just listened to about six hours at a Skinwalker Ranch episodes, and I heard you guys say such nice, things about me afterwards. This is Danny, by the way that I believe in your message never done this but I just wanted to let, you know how awesome your show is. So Jeremy and Jake, and Wes and Ken's. Are you guys absolutely totally without a doubt? Rock. Thanks for such great work and I plan on keep listening, as long as you guys keep putting the cool stuff out that you keep doing. And so thanks for everything and I can't wait for the next episode. Bye. Yeah. Your slacker slacker than cancer. I was going to say in Jake was calling me the slacker God. No, you're both Slackers.

0:43 Don't worry. I wish I was late because I was slacking. You were late because you got pulled over for speeding and had to show some sideboob to get out of the ticket. I know happens to the best of us. Yeah, man, they didn't have a female officer pat me down. Even though, I Requested one. Yes, all right. Well, welcome back to the infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I'm your host Jeremy. Today, we're going to dive into part three of our communion coverage. Last time.

1:36 Whitley goes to a hypnotherapist goes to sleep, tells him things that happen to himself, including getting punched in the gut and alien penis over and over and over again which eventually made his penis half hard. We're going to find out today whether he liked it or not. Welcome back to the rabbit hole. Jeremy always about those penises, always about those penises.

2:48 Alright. Alright, welcome back to your free Rabbit Hole everybody. I am your host, Jeremy and today, we are going to be covering communion. Again. For the third time, not the last time, but the third time. Hmm. Yeah. Let's go around the table, everybody. Jacob, I think the shirt that you are dying to talk about. Yeah, man. I'm wearing the world's, okay? This podcast shirt as you can see here, Yeah, and thanks to Jeremy's quote. Last time we did communion. It is there's another shirt that's on the store which it'll be a couple weeks, you know, it's been a couple weeks since with you guys hearing this, but it is the world-famous most okay?

3:39 Has podcast in the world. So there's another shirt out there. But yeah, you can get this for whatever clothing option. We have, you know, Coast. There's stickers. I put a big one, like a good old like 9 by 9 on my laptop lid. So a lot of cool stuff you can get there over at our store. Nice. It's very cool. Very cool. All right, moving on to somebody who was late today, but not as late as somebody else. Kid. Hello, slacker. You know what traffic sucked?

4:21 Okay, it's my story and I'm sticking to it. It happened. It's a thing. Hmm, it's everybody else's fault. Not mine. Exactly, right. I work over an hour away from home. Okay. Come on. That's right. Everyone sucks around Kender. Yeah. And last but not least, the latest of them all and Happy New Year, Jeffrey Jeff Jefferson. That is not my legal name. But hello. Yes, hello hello. So happy New Year. Why were you late, man? What's going on? Just got a lot of shit going on, bro. I haven't even eaten today. That's how much should I've got going on? Yeah, but we knocking, like we were here like, yeah, he forgot about us.

5:07 There's no doubt though. I didn't forget, I just got a lot going on. So I'm, I will slowly try to mentally, get into this, because, at this exact moment, I'm not mentally prepared, but I will be momentarily. Little known fact. Jeff actually has to prep himself every time he does this to talk to us. He hates us in case you guys didn't know that. He does he despises being on here? He tells us all the time after we get done recording. He says, I wish Shadow band was this popular, man. I do usually settlement has a much more popular popular show than said infinite rabbit hole. No, it's not, dude.

5:50 This is no, it's not. And I haven't even posted in a while. So my numbers of Tanked, but he's so famous. Two famous for us. He's a, he's hanging out with a small guys today. This is his community service. Yeah, he's way too famous for its time here. He is here for the tax. Write-off is exactly. All right, you guys ready? You guys have any man put out other than I listen to the latest episode today and again about the mammoth. So I just think that that's wild the mammoths and the The thylacine bring it back the thylacine.

6:36 I think it's pretty cool. I got to look into it more and see why they're doing it. I'm just curious and the thylacine they don't need to bring it back. That's already deck. She's been on my mind all day. Yeah, I'm ready. Let's let's let's do this here on that. Note math. On that note, I found a picture on Instagram of the short nose Bear. Right. The one that was. Yeah. Part of the megafauna type thing. But it was so big. Like there's people standing next to it and this thing is like three times the size of them. It's probably like 20 feet tall or more and I'm like the Russians should bring that one back. Godless killing machine, keep those people out of the national forest and stuff.

7:19 No more missing 411's if we're going to talk about cool stuff when we talk about the Chinese balloon over our airspace, yes, hear about that, that's it. There's a charge spring Anthrax, whether it's a weather, balloon everybody hop. It's over Montana, or it was over, Montana of all places to. It's like what are you going to sign up, dude? Like a Chinese spy balloon. That's complete baloney. Moja. Yeah. It's really a UFO. There's nothing that they can see with a balloon that they can already see with satellites if AB satellites. Right? So why would they do that? And if they're not Steph I kiss your argument but they're not trying to see anything.

8:08 They're trying to take like barometric pressure readings and okay what are we can't do that with any other method except flying a Giant balloon across. It is my absolutely ridiculous. I don't stop, we can all agree. That's just BS. Anyways, let's jump in to part 3 of communion if everyone is ready to roll, I am ready to roll ready to roll everybody else. Let's do this. Alright so this one's a quick one so feel free to talk everybody. Jeff that that cloud that you just blew made. You look like a ghost, your green screen, he's our relation. All right, let's start it off pondering the truth. Immediately following the intense second hypnosis session. We returned home on his walk to his apartment. He Yourself thinking deeply about the uncovered hidden memories that were broadcast out from his conscious and he was terrified.

9:12 Was he insane? And all of these quote-unquote memories were just figments of his delusional mind or even worse. Yes. Was it all true and had? It really been happening to him. Since he was 12, the warm feeling of his family, sitting at the dinner. Table would eagerly waiting on his arrival to begin eating their evening meal. Did great for his short-term memory, the Stress and Anxiety that plagued the day faded away as a strippers, enjoy the company of each other after the long day. But soon he found himself alone. Once again his wife and son had gone off to sleep for the night and Whitley's mind. Quickly regressed back into his chaotic day, the overwhelming sense of being alone and vulnerable was too much.

9:59 And he soon found himself in his office, sitting at his desk behind a locked door. In order to stabilize his mind, he began to write down list of all the possibilities of what all of this could possibly really be. Was this all part of the famous floor believed by many throughout history known as the PHA people have been discovering swarms of parallels between Legends and modern abduction stories. Since the late 40s, could modern terms tools and influences from all different forms of media. Cause modern humans to refer to the same events and experiences from up to thousands of years ago and refer to them. Now is aliens and memories of. Abductions could visitors from somewhere in our outer in outer space.

10:42 Case, the actual proof that Legends of fairies elves, brownies gnomes, changelings Pixies, will-o'-the-wisps, and banshees are not Legend at all, but rather real things that humans have been suffering. The terror of for Millennia. Could they be us after we die, could the 40 and topics of ghosts, spirits, and aliens. Really be a description of the exact same thing. Could we the living the Acuna sorts only blossoming into our butterfly selves as beings from? Within deeper, Dimensions beyond, space, and time after our deaths, could these quote-unquote beings be trying to communicate with their peers, prior species, ourselves or are we just witnessing them through? Brief Windows, connecting Dimensions, outside of our tips are typical dimensional view.

11:31 As they go along with their normal activities, barely paying attention to lower life forms that we are to them as we do with so many others every day. Are they projections of the Mind created in the Physical Realm by locked and forgotten powers of the human mind, occasionally accessed on accident from time. To time with brief glimpses of the potential power access. When we use more than our typical 15%, brain capabilities that we are so used to or could they be humans? Maybe we are them from another time ones that travel back in time for critical knowledge disguise, as grey extraterrestrials in order to To prevent an extremely dangerous, temporal Paradox. What do you guys think?

12:16 At first, I want to say, like, whatever he smoked and I want some, but I don't want my guts to get mixed up by an alien. Weiner digit, was this question literally like what are our thoughts on like, Grey's Faye? So, here it's a kind of a kind of Twisted. This, as a talking point, this is something that that Willie did go over in his book. He did go over these points, I kind of You know, summarized it all in my own way and added a little bit of flair to it all. But yeah. So he kind of goes over. He doesn't really give a solid answer as what he thinks. He just goes over things that he thought that could possibly be the answer. But yeah, let's open it up to questions to you guys about what do you guys think alien?

13:01 Abductions are, do you believe that they're little men from outer space? Do you believe that they're insured? Dimensionals Ultra, dimensionals the FAE? Do you think that they're just completely something different? It's a big question, man. I think Because a lot of nuance to that I think it's a case-by-case basis, to be honest with you, I think there's probably a mixed. It's a mixed bag of what abductions are, right. I think you probably have black budget government and corporations, you know, like they're doing stuff abducting people right now. They might be pretending to be aliens or not, who knows and for what agenda, who knows. But that's a thing, and then you probably have some form of interdimensional.

13:50 Channel or whatever, you know that's happening, call it. The spiritual warfare thing that could be a part of it. And then you also have the could be something from another world or in our world like under the ground and the hollow Earth or under the oceans, or another planet, who knows? I mean, that's a big question, dude. It's Case by case. Hmm. I agree with Jeff for the most part but instead of something being from another place or you, No, the hall Earth or whatever? I mean, when I looked at, you know, the parallels between people that claim to have been abducted and people that go through sleep paralysis episodes, it's nearly the exact same thing. Same, you know, light patterns in there behind their eyelids, they have this feeling of floating, they feel displaced, you know, all sorts of stuff and it's like, in some cases, that's not a parallel, but Most cases people that have sleep or, you know, whatever sleep paralysis.

14:57 Are the same sort of people that experience, abductions from Aliens. And I would say that if it was a black budget, siop type thing that the reason why they're pushing, they would say that there are aliens are convince people that it was. The aliens is 41. It's impossible to, you know, bring up a class action lawsuit against an alien, a kiss, you know, as far as we know, they've never actually been here at least, It to any degree where they're like, hey, I'm an alien. What's up? And also there seems to be a huge tremendous push and the media and the government, and all this sort of stuff to push in this idea of extraterrestrials.

15:41 Maybe it's because it's easy to blame stuff on them, you know, if a, if a nuke goes down to Manhattan. Yeah. If a nuke hits Manhattan, they could say oh, it was an alien attack and half the country. Would be like, oh my gosh, I knew it. I knew they're coming after us. You know, well, you know, part of that whole thing to kind of ties into the Project Blue beam obviously, but it could just be to get the go-ahead, get the sign off on putting weapons in space, even if it's just for defense, you know. It might not even be to do anything, it could just be there. Excuse to say, oh, we need to put defensive weapons in space because there was an alien attack. Like, it doesn't have to be the big project, blue beam. Sure, Ultra control thing that. I mean obviously like that's what I like to fantasize about because it's wild and shit.

16:26 But But it could just be as simple as you do. We need to put some fucking space lasers up, you know? Down for space lasers. I was their face away from the earth and the only target area own countrymen. Yeah, I don't know, it's like even hearing that seal the one that killed Bin Laden. I talk to you guys about the super-secret stealth helicopter and staff. He's like, do you know that we have small arms, like small little missiles that can Target just the driver of the vehicle. Everyone else will be safe and these things explode above the car, and shoot basically razor blades into that person's body. He's just like it's incredible. Things that you'd never think we're possible. So I mean, if they're doing stuff like that and until hearing that, I had no idea about it, you know, what's to say, they haven't already put weapons into space or, you know, or have the ability to do that and why? I don't know, nefarious purposes, probably, Yeah, honestly.

17:29 They don't, they don't care about univision's. They care about spying and get defense against other nations. Yeah, pretty much as far as Whitley goes, in my opinion. He's had trauma in his past just like last episode. He's had trauma in his past and his brain just has a very creative way of, you know, opening up and showing, you know, these memories and stuff. I hope it's that, you know it sounds awful for me to say that but getting, you know, seduced by an alien, doesn't sound fun either.

18:11 I'm with Jake on that one. I think this guy's traumatized, but he's also a writer and he writes about the stuff. So, I don't think it's nearly as Extreme as we originally thought it could have been but I think he's traumatized and he's tapping into something there and then it's combining with the rest of his thought processes. Because that's just how his entire life has been. Oh wait, we talked about ghosts and Aliens this that the other thing, right? So apocalyptic and world times, well, that's what else. Could this be right? Hmm.

18:53 Jeff. Yeah. Are you were leaning in, man? I thought you were. I thought you had some good. No, I'm sorry. I was just flipping through a tab. I was looking at something. Okay. Hmm. All right, well, let's move forward. We're already a third of the way through this thing. All right, next one, it is all real. It was then while Whitley was at his desk, that he came to the conclusion that yes, these things and his memories are. In fact real, they were not just figments of a demented or broken mind and it Sliver of another belief was simply impossible. He had experienced them all with all five senses at one point or another.

19:36 His guests Jacque quiz in Annie had witnessed the light from outside the cabin and his wife, his son and Annie, all heard the loud, bang and all had described the sound of the bang caused. By the small lightning bolt inches away from his face in a similar fashion in one way or another. After coming to the conclusion. Illusion that he was, in fact, not a Madman with Lee began to dive deep into researching every little bit. He could about these beings. Here is a brief summarized list of his findings, laid out beginning on page 94, Whitley's book, communion one. He believes that accounts of UFOs noticeably ramped up or even truly began in the late 1940s.

20:22 Shortly after World War Two, To most documented stories. Our accounts are from as early as the 60s and due to the time frames of the accounts and and the taboos of the subject, many people held on to those experiences until the more free and open 60s. Hence, the hippie era, three many reports include experiences from the victims victims childhood and continued sporadically throughout life. And for It seems that these beings are very precise about how, and when they reveal themselves to Witnesses reasonings, being in the 40s and 50s, the general public began.

21:04 Seeing as mysterious craft from afar reports. Hit newsstands and word of world word of flying saucers in our skies became a common conversation, point in the public, in the 70s. People began coming forward about abductions and sightings of alien beings, then in the 80s people began noticing an understanding that. This is a permanent part of their lives. So what do you guys think specifically on this, right? So there's a lot of talking points in this particular chapter that don't necessarily have to come from Whitley himself, more or less. What do you guys feel about the idea that UFOs and alien abductions start around the 1940s? I did some interesting research with this and come to find out that.

21:57 I mean, I don't know if it's Just because that's when you know, recorded history on these things started was in that time frame when people became interested in the things. But this is, there was a definitely, a big boom in the 60s, right? And there was small specks of it in the 40s and 50s, but there was a lot of lot of People reporting it in the 60s of events, that happened to them in the 40s and 50s, including alien, abductions, and viewing these things. I gotta push back on that because this phenomena has been happening forever. Since humans have been recording history, right now, I think that the reason for the uptake since like, the 40s and the 50s is because of the siop aspect of it, that The government's want that information to be pushed. That's why they allow.

22:54 And, and leaked information to Media organizations all throughout the 40s 50s 60s, 70s. It, you know, all the way up to now still currently, right? It's still happening. So, it seems like they're opening the faucet a little bit more. Now. It's not leak, you know, back then it would be them leaking information right now. It's like, they'll partner with people that are, like, already, well-known and famous like Jeremy Korbel, right? And they'll, it'll be like, or Tom DeLonge, you know, or like they just partner. It's like a thing now, you know, it's like we're making it something, I don't know. But yeah, it's just I have to push back because, you know, you can go back to ancient texts Man. Live of the Vimana.

23:34 The Vimana is literally a story. It ancient, you know, I think a Hindu story or whatever it is about the battle in the sky with these these craft, you know, so Isn't there? I'm not gonna say it. Oh yeah. Demi, Lovato didn't Demi Lovato and Kesha starts Chasing UFOs. Yes. So Kesha actually just came out with. She's always talking about her UFO stuff. She's more into the ghosts in the Paranormal aspects. She just came out with a documentary of her going across America doing that stuff. Demi Lovato is the one who's really into the aliens.

24:16 She partnered with She was working with what the hell's that guy's name? Steve. No, this starts I want to say it starts with a d-dave or something but the guys really well known Dave Navarro no, but the guys really well known within the alien community and she partnered up with him. They want went on a whole bunch of little Expeditions and whatnot. And now she always is claiming you shall look up at the sky and she'll see a cluster of It's and she's like, oh there's my alien friends. Hmm, she's psycho if you ask me, but try to see who that is. Keep talking, Guys, Pizza.

24:57 I also want to push back against this on, bring up the first modern era UFO story and I brought it up like a year ago in the show, maybe even more. It was it was this guy named Kenneth Arnold and his from June 24 1947. He said that he saw like some described it as a crescent moon shaped object. In this circumstance, I'm reading. It's he saw a cluster of them, but the phrase Flying Saucer was reported by the local news. And then months afterwards, hundreds of people said, oh, I saw a flying saucer when the original report had nothing to do with flying saucers. and also, You can see every major change in people's alien, sightings with the way Hollywood works. You know, they bring out some character with big black googly eyes and stuff and everyone's like, oh my gosh, it was a grey alien with big black googly eyes. Yeah.

26:05 And then Hollywood changes something else. They bring out like War of the Worlds, type stuff. Oh my gosh. It was a, it was a tripod, you know, skate looking thing, right? Is this like all Kinds of stuff. Also, a lot of those pictures from, you know, where people come out with some like ancient alien type thing it. So it's a thing carved into a rock most of those. If you do any sort of digging on them, they go to some random Reddit page and there's no more information on them. As a matter of fact, they'll even say this was found by this Al archaeological agency over in this country and those people get approached and they're like we never found this. There's no evidence of this whatsoever. So all these things are just ended up being, you know, just smoke in the wind when you actually get down to it. So I'm not even saying that 100% certainty. Aliens are fake a stick to what I always say, I find that to be credible, incredibly unlikely and if there is there probably like some weird shaped cows on another planet. But, you know, there's there's that we brought up the book last time of all the different types of aliens. You're going to tell me that all these aliens have access to Earth all of them, right?

27:24 All of them. Yeah. Oh, my gosh, right? And so it's just like, I think that people by and large, I mean, we know, this are deceitful. They like to be famous. They like to, you know, why? And make a bunch of money off of it. Some people are confused because they have have you know, maybe they're all wrapped up in this sort of stuff and then they have some sleep paralysis though, I got was abducted, you know it just like There's too much falsehood in the whole thing for me to ever say. Yeah, this is true, you know, or this this could be possible because like from the very start it was a lie pushed by the media. The local newspaper to try to add more Pizzazz and Flair to the story and call it a flying saucer. Then all these people reported, I saw the Flying Saucer when it was never a flying saucer begin with, it was a cluster of Crescent moon-shaped things.

28:22 Good stuff. Did you find his name? I did not find his name, but turns out, she's Demi. Lovato's got her own show called unidentified, and it's all about her u.f.o. experience. Just a quick little read up on this article. I got here. She claims that I had a pretty profound experience on my 28th birthday. I made alien contact and it was pretty mind-blowing. A pretty mind-blowing experience and ever since then, I started to look into more and more and I wanted to do a show about it, so now she's going to show on peacock and she made contact on her 28th birthday. Yes. In the person that she does it with is dr. Steven Greer.

29:07 And that is a huge name in UFO. That's one of the names that kept coming. Being up there. There was another one what the fuck was the guy's name? That would be honesty. I will never watch that show. Just being honest with you. Yeah and you know what to be honest with you I think Steven Greer is a shill I think he's actually I do you really do? I do I can see it. I think it's a show. I think it's just theater. He's just he was the first puppet that they could put out there and organized this whole thing to kind of get everybody to kind of lay it all, lay off a little bit on. Pushing for disclosure, you know, because he's been doing this for a long time and because he's been doing what he's been doing. I mean really, like, how far along are we. Are we any further along now because of what he him in the disclosure project have done to be honest? Not that.

29:57 I know not really but I mean. Okay, I could do it. I could totally see dr. Steven Greer, being being a show. I used to love that shit to don't get me wrong. No, no, dude. I mean, you know, in all respect to the guy I guess. You know, if I saw him, I'd be like dude, fan of yours. But, you know, when I think about it, I'm like dude, I don't know man. You know, I don't be like I'm getting an actor. Just be like meeting an actor. He don't believe the role that they played was real but it'd be cool to meet one Captain Jack Sparrow. No no dr. Greer would be more exciting. I would be more excited to meet him than an actor to be honestly and I mean obviously you know if he whether he is or isn't a show the guy at one point started off legit and that's something I do believe. I think that that they just got to him. I think I think I definitely see that there Jeffrey for sure. All right, anything else?

30:59 And for those that are being like, wow, this is gonna be a short episode. Yes, it is, but we can talk some crap later. We're going to talk some crap later about some comments. We got You ready, Jeffrey. Yeah, I guess he's ready. That's as ready as Jeff gets. He's like, dude, I'm so tired of these fuckin people. All right, we got three more. He returns soon after the second, hypnosis session, Whitley his wife Anne and their son returned to the cabin. His wife knew very little about his experiences and thoughts on the matter and his son knew nothing Whitley realized that by not telling them.

31:45 M, he could be putting them In Harm's Way while fully understanding the possibility of risk either way the streamers showed up at the cabin and remote Upstate New York, the ate dinner and Whitley and an put their son to bed Whitley's. First steps into the room where it all began sent him into harsh and Vivid, remembrances of small beings, his newness and the control that the first being had over his physical actions, he revived Revisited. The sounds of their foot fall on the floor. The feelings of their little hands all over his body as they guided him to the front porch, and the site of the foreign beings that he could never have, even dreamed of witnessing, In the Flesh memories of his experiences flooded him with, such intense detail, but everything came to a screeching halt when his memories reached her. So, I'm going to go ahead and move right into the next one. Which is titled her.

32:48 He always describes her as a female, but he constantly emits that he is very uncertain as to why he began to focus on aspects of her. That made him think of the feminine, was it? The deep and comforting eyes. The smooth. And precise way she moved around. Was it a gentle touch when she laid her hand on his chest? Or was the uncomfortable fact that being in her presence made him noticeably aroused? Her physical traits were so difficult to explain during the hypnosis sessions. But not now the being that stood before him was more alien that he originally remembered. The only thing that she had in common with humans was that she had two arms, two legs in the head.

33:32 Other than that, she reminded him more of an insectoid than a humanoid patches of her shit out of her. Skin were infused with. Hardened chitin. Like, exoskeleton the slight jerked her body made. Tween the smooth motions and her bulging, almost telescoping eyes, which held no pupils are Iris at all. Just too dark and never-ending Inky black pits for us. Although so foreign there was a familiarity to her that he couldn't figure out, she admitted to him that she was old. But how old she gave off a very ancient, very intelligent, very experienced demeanor. Did this play a role in his comfort level with her despite all of that? That he couldn't get past the idea that she was incredibly age.

34:20 She wasn't old as in human terms to us. She would be ancient and age. We couldn't fathom to hold a single lifetime. This he somehow just knew Hey buddy, bear with us while we take this quick break. All right, guys, look, I mean unfortunately some people do are born hermaphrodites and you can either have mail like features or female like features and have both sets of sex organs and then it's either the parents or the people individuals as they grew up to decide, which one they're going to be right there going to prefer. So if these beings are look, you know, are somehow built the same way as we are, you know?

35:13 Not the exoskeletons and stuff, but having two arms, two legs and a head, then what's to say they can experience the same thing too. So it could look female. It could walk and act and talk, female and just have a big old Hangar just slap it around with it, you know. So so you know, there has been a lot of debate over what a You know, final stage Evolution being would be right. So as we go through time, you know, if you believe in evolution, sure as you go through time and your species starts to evolve and everything that, you know, scientists have sat down, people who sat down, I've sat down with people, you know, on the ship or just in many different circles that I've been in throughout my life and had them Pretty much this exact same conversation. What would a pinnacle?

36:13 Pinnacle evolved being be light, light that and that. That's what it ultimately comes to write is that it wouldn't necessarily be a physical body, it would be a way for the mind or the soul or your being to exist outside of a physical body, right? Because what is the, what is the biggest restrictor on you in any way, shape, or form? It's your physical body, right? You know, everything about it but you know, there's steps to that, right? And let's say, what would the next step in human evolution?

36:55 Look like right to get to one of these future time, traveling grey aliens, that come back in time and take samples of What they used to be. Hundreds of thousands of years ago, right? One of the first steps that that they believe that is going to be something down. Our lines is that we're going to become either a sexual or hermaphroditic hermaphroditic. Yeah. Whatever. Right. Where we? Where we don't need to have the other gender because that's just extra energy that we don't need.

37:38 But that wouldn't make sense though, because according to Evolution, we started out as a single cell organisms that could just split and create copies of ourselves. Why would we lose that and then gain it back in the, in the future because clearly, it wasn't needed. I think it would be more of a technological Evolution than anything. I think what would happen is that in order for any species to Traverse, I was going to say space but not even necessarily space but just time in general, right? Some point, like the sun will explode or some shit. So, in order for you to Traverse time to that extent, where you could evolve to that point, like it's as got to be technologically based.

38:19 So now you're going to be using like what we would think of Gene editing and they could be like variations of that, right? That he again I always think of science as we know it but there's got to be an alternate path or multiple alternate Paths of science that could have been explored or could be explored and in other parts of the universe. He's right, so we're very mechanical nuts and bolts electricity. All these types of things. There's other beings out there that could be using frequency vibration stuff from the start, right, and evolving that way. And they might just have a way to edit their genome, to not need to procreate with the male and female. But rather to just like you said be asexual or something, just lay fucking eggs and they have something I'm getting close to my lifespan might as well just pop out 20 more.

39:08 Kids real quick, they could be clones to. Yeah, they could literally be clones of, you know, the exactly. That could be the future. You just, you have thousands and thousands of clones of yourself and when you're ready to die, you just transfer your Consciousness into the next clone. It would be the ultimate survival. You know, you could clone yourself, biologically clone yourself and just transfer Consciousness, we're doing that now with organs self-sufficient. And it would be organs. Now, for rich people? They are. I mean, they're building them with 3D printers now too. Yeah, so we're already right, or right there.

39:48 We're starting to open the door to see that kind of thing. So give it a million years, right? Yep. Ten million years. I mean, their next thing you know, we're going to be uploading our Consciousness to the metaverse and living the rest of living forever. I can't wait to be dead for all that man. Right there. The man. I don't want it. I'd rather be at home with Jesus. You guys can can live forever and sounds horsey, though. Universe explode. Sounds terrible to me. So I was listening to hush-hush the other day and I won't give them full credit for this bit because I didn't notice I had actually had to go look it up, but there are a lot of cloning experiments going on, especially you know, Black Market stuff like deeply. Yeah, cloning experiments going on. They believe that, you know, they're going to get to a point where you can literally get a clone of yourself so that if you need a kidney or you need a liver or heart transplant or whatever, they could just cut it out of something. Super grown, you know, like, you know, something that takes like, three or four years to fully grow. And they just, you know, keep it locked locked in a cage and some Black Mirror episode.

41:03 Yeah, there's there's shows and movies on the 3-month. Give them three months. You'll have a new heart. It Fine. Yeah, you're right. There is a movie about that too. Gosh. What is that? Then I don't I can't think of the name, but I know I've seen at least one or two things about that, but again, it is the same idea, just, you know, extrapolate because you're talking about what's the most advanced evolution of this, right? So I acted that out, 10 million years, I actually watched a show recently on Amazon called upload and what they were doing is the person would die they'd upload their Consciousness to the metaverse, but on the side, they're also growing bodies for these people to put their Consciousness back into a body and they can literally just recycle through bodies and live forever. It's terrifying.

41:51 We should do a whole episode about transferring Consciousness. One day. Well that's a thing to write that gets into the spiritual warfare thing, right? Where it's like the way that Society is progressing and moving in this like weird materialistic Social acceptance type progression that we're going, like at some point, most people, if not already, most people would want to live forever. Right? But like what? Jake just said, like Jake's like I can't wait to go and not necessarily like you want to go but like if you go you go like you don't want to live forever because you got somewhere else to be, you know what I'm saying? I feel that way too. So it's like, I don't want to live forever but at some point everybody is going to be like, we got a live forever so that we can for you What I mean? Well, I mean that's been I mean, look at the makeup industry that has been the thing is to look like you never age first forever, right?

42:46 Since the know the 30s, you know, past past the Great Depression when people couldn't afford anything. And then, you know, the big hype was all look pretty for forever, you know, Botox to fix your wrinkles. So you look young, The Next Step obviously is we have a way that your body will die? But your Your Consciousness or your soul or whatever we want to call that will live on for infinity and you'll be in let's say the metaverse where you have whatever you want you know you could have a house on the beach front you know. Also so after you have no one else around you everything like that and people will just line up for it. Yeah, for sure.

43:34 I don't want to get actually, I heard a theory recently talking about the biblical mark of the beast and stuff and the Antichrist where they said that this individual said that they believed that. The mark of the beast, will be some RNA or DNA, altering type stuff where it will keep you from dying and that's why in Revelation, there's, you know, No, these stinging swarms of insects that leave giant boils on people and they're running around screaming, wishing for death, but they never die or the scorching heat from the Sun and they don't die from it. It's because everyone that takes the Mark, it's going to be injected with this DNA altering stuff, that won't allow them to die.

44:19 And he'll be going against the natural order of things in the way it's supposed to go. And I was just like, huh? If I had heard that 15 years ago? I've been like, wow, that's insane right now. I'm like mmm, you're probably on to something. We were talking about the vmat2. I don't know. The god Gene. He discussed it for a little bit. I touch it. It's kind of like what Jake's talking about but apparently and I don't know how true this is or not. But You know, apparently there's a gene connected to fundamentalist fundamentalism, right? Your fundamental beliefs and that that could be targeted. So that then you couldn't hold a fundamental belief about anything, right? Whether that be your religious beliefs your connections to God? Or I mean shit.

45:06 I don't want to get into it too deep here but you know, look at Society. Does anybody believe anything about like fundamental shit anymore is or is everybody just I wonder if that's what place EJ was asking about because I took the Vaccine. I had a couple stipulations and they passed and I was just like, wait, 6 months and I took the vaccine lo and behold it didn't do anything but I can beat take that out if you want. But um, I like CJ approached me and they're like, he messaged me and he said, I have a question for you since you're a Christian and you took the vaccine. I was like, yeah, what's up? And I expect it to be something like some moral objection, whatever. But he said, do you feel any less connected to God than you were before? You took the vaccine?

45:52 And I said, no. He's like, do you feel like, you know, you're, you know, you've compromised that relationship at all or that it's just not as Valuable to you. As I can, of course, not. And he was just like, okay, just curious, he probably stumbled across in. He's probably listening. So he could tell me if I'm wrong, but he might have stumbled across some of the shit that I stumbled across where there are stories and videos and shit on the internet and they're probably gone now. But we're there was I remember one specifically. There was a woman who was bawling and she was crying. She was like you know I took thing and then like I don't feel that connection to God and this was like weeks later she's like I don't feel the connection anymore. Like I can't get into praying and all this stuff and I was like, wow I got like she could be making it up, I don't know. I mean that's Itself guilt could be, you know, you know, you know, telling you that your listen.

46:35 There's a lot of people out there that are mentally ill in a lot of ways that you know, so you take everything with a grain of salt. But I'm just saying that that idea has been floating around and it kind of ties into what you're talking about with Gene editing and fucking up the natural order of shit. And you know, ya know we're in the Apocalypse. It's hard to say you know but we certainly do you know all these interesting conversations we have it makes the stuff that seems more sci-fi seem way more likely than anything else and it's it's truly interesting to be alive right now in this time period because certainly there's incredible advances in science and technology that are going on that aren't that don't seem to have some sort of Nefarious background behind them or whatever it is.

47:26 But then where there's all this crazy, weird stuff that back in the 80s it would have just been some crazy wild sci-fi idea. Like, oh my gosh, like the old Star Trek, you know, shows where they had this, you know, this device where they could see each other and they could talk to each other in a handheld device. And I was like, oh my gosh, that's insane. Next thing. You know we have smartphones where we can you know face time with each other it's frickin wild you know quick to yeah. It's and what's even worse. We are people think people will think it's mind-blowing. How quick technology has advanced and they're not even taking into account planned obsolescence, which means that the technology is actually advancing way faster than us is the consumer realize, we're just being drip Fed so that we can be milked for the money, right? You guys know about planned obsolescence, right? It's they make this stuff not as good as they can, so that you have to keep buying the better one. Yeah, there's a light bulb.

48:23 Your phone's only last two years, the light bulb, Light bulbs for specifically. Yeah. Jeff Thomas on exactly. Yeah, light bulbs used to last forever and then they realize well then we're not going to make money off this. So we have to have burnout time, you know, so they they specifically designed light, bulbs to burn out after specific amount of hours. Now, we're here in 2023 and you go to the store and the like this light bulbs even better, because it'll last 20,000 hours and you're like, oh, shit, I'll get down one. All right, but they had the ability to do that in like the early 1900. Yes, it's like planned obsolescence. So, yes, the technology is ramping up super quick but it's actually in the background going up, even faster than that. We just don't even realize it.

49:06 I think there's a fire station in like in New York where they have a vintage light bulb that's been on continuously for like 130 years. Yeah, yeah. And they're just like, it doesn't turn off. It's a big old gnarly light bulb, but it stays illuminated like indefinitely. It's like we just keep it on these days is because you're fired before. Yeah obsolescence sure. So I just sent something to chat a link for you guys because it's something to do with covid and the yeah I've seen that it's a it's something I don't know if you guys want to talk about this this is definitely a good Shadow band topic. We're definitely going to get a strike on YouTube. Oh yeah.

49:54 I've seen some stuff about this. I was Who's I watch? I was watching a video about this. Forget to wish I could show them out but long-suffering things are short, right? Is that basically egg yolk antibodies? Help or they block The Binding mechanics of the antibodies block, The Binding of multiple tsar's covid to spike protein variants, to human a stew, right? So you know that now there's this huge conspiracy theory going around around now that the whole egg shortage is because they want you to get sick.

50:47 I mean that was like and then we see all these massive like the biggest producers of eggs and stuff like that 2,000-plus chickens and they just burned to the ground overnight. It's the same thing. Like what happened with the quote-unquote meat shortage and then 25, you know, 25 like cattle farms and poultry farms and all this other stuff. Just burn to the ground and all the animals died in a span of like a couple weeks and it's just like oh we're donation all over the nation. Yeah. All over the place. Look at Jeff's. Like we're heading over to the shadow band after this I just like that. It just this kind of stuff man.

51:29 It's like your bread and butter man. It doesn't shock me anymore. That it's happened. Like that. It's real. Like most people would see something like this and they'd be like, they'd be shocked. They be like, what? I'm shocked on the opposite end of the spectrum. I'm like I fucking told you guys not specifically every little detail. Of course, I don't know everything. But like, you know what I'm saying? And it's on me, it's it's all of us, right? Like, that's how we all feel in this community, right? This conspiracy community that the people who have been in this since back in the day. But I've been a conspiracy theorist since, I don't know, fucking 2007 or some shit earlier, I don't know, but way before it was cool. Now, it's cool.

52:11 You know what I'm saying? It's like have to death. Cut a chunk of this out on, you do know we're not dude, I post all these. It's fine. And this is that we're literally reading the PubMed article so it's fine but that's just it blows my fucking mind. Yeah. How much shit for those that are? I just want to put the reference out there for anybody who wants to check it out. This is directly from PubMed ncbi .eml M. .C nih.gov the National Library of Medicine. Oh, okay. So this isn't something that we're just making out, this isn't, you know, conspiracy eggs, help, prevent our help block, The Binding of SARS Cove to simple as that.

53:01 That's what they found. Yep, I'll for anyone listening to this, they'll be a, this link will be in the description portion as well but no, I agree with Jeff, I'm also not I'm shocked in the opposite way that there are people with all of the world's information on one device in your pocket that people use to make Tik toks and memes with. And you know, read people's thoughts and social media, you could literally look up anything on this, right? Shoot you could get into. Like Wiki links if you really wanted to like you can look up anything and people choose to be ignorant and It blows my mind, the amount of people that won't even consider the opposite of what they they believe in.

53:53 Even like you know, like look into it and research it, like, I looked into aliens and I was like all right why don't I believe in aliens? Let's look at into the sidings and the history and what happens when alien? Abductions happen, all this other stuff and I concluded that it was ridiculous. This goes for every topic dude, by the way. But yeah. But there's just people that just get so sucked. Into whatever the man is saying, right. Whoever the man is in that circumstance, you know, the that lead of the thing, but they don't question it and they're just like they see, you know, the chicken farm burned down for where all the eggs come from a North America, they're just like oh how unfortunate they don't read between the lines, you know, you know what it is, man. Most people are more comfortable with Anna for an authority figure, right?

54:40 They want Comfort? Yeah, most people don't have the ability to Take self-responsibility for things, right? And this is across the Spectrum. So most people don't have the ability to take self-responsibility. So they would much rather be fed something whether that's instruction or Comfort or security, right? The people just want these things. Yeah, better for the, but yeah, that's that's why, because it's easier to just trust the man, whatever the man is and go with what the authority figures is rather than cold a lot along those lines. No, just was it a short year ago if not less. We were getting all these private Farmers going Tick-Tock and posting about how government was sending them letters to burn their crops and that they were only going to allow them to sell a certain amount and they were sending them money for their higher crops. They were sending them the amount of money. It would that they would Tory or yeah, or more that they would typically earn from Um, if they were able to sell their entire Crouch to just burn it.

55:49 Yeah. And we were getting, I mean, just a flood of people saying you guys get ready. Prices of food are going to go up and you guys are going to be in trouble right now. You guys are going to have issues with this. The prices are going to go through the fuck. Roof. So look where we are here. Later here in b.c. interesting story actually here in BC. There was a man who was trying really, really, really hard to grow a saffron crop. Oh gosh. Yeah, a lot of money in that he actually managed. He, it, he took it took him years to make it happen. He actually made it happen.

56:38 In November is like late year November. E1 type are is kind of area started getting a little cold but it's still fairly warm and BC so he could have made it happen and then out of nowhere, we got flooded destroyed his crops like same. Same day, I read that article. We got flooded out destroyed. His crops that guy has nothing left. He has to start from square one. And my theory ties into that, there was something going on out here. Well, I mean yeah look if it's if it's you can almost guarantee that if whatever someone made is going to draw money from the lead corporations, that already produce that stuff or import that stuff, or whatever.

57:31 It is, like, saffron is very expensive, you know, a couple, a couple little, you know, what I do? The stamens is what collected on the saffron but a couple of those is like, Three bucks. You know and you get this huge massive crop itself. It's very, very it's it's a great way to make money if you can, you know, keep them alive but It's like the same same way with the two guys that separately invented a hydrogen-powered car and or a water-powered car. They put their stuff up on Tick. Tock like this, is how it works. So it's tough and then both of them died. The first guy, he went out to dinner with some friends. Took a sip of his water, it starts choking and blood started coming out of his mouth and he died. And a second guy was murdered in one of these random attacks that's happened in the country.

58:22 He just happened to be there. It was the guy from Buffalo New York. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like a lot of those. It's anything. Nikola Tesla. Yeah. Maybe someone can make anybody thinks that Nikola Tesla did not die naturally. Now I'm not saying that every single circumstance like this is someone being suicided and unfortunately crap happens. Right. Bad things happen to people that don't Don't expect it, you know, all sorts of stuff. But what I am saying is that, if you start seeing these things, maybe use your phone that you usually use for social media and Tick-Tock and do some research and find out. What's the parallels, you know, snow dopamine. Drip in that bro.

59:11 Yeah I guess dopamine there's no flashy colors. That's the whole point just all. It's all about the dopamine drip, man, that's why it's hard for people to. That's another reason why it's hard for people to take responsibility. Because when you do take responsibility for something, right? And when you complete a task, even whatever task is, right. You just take responsibility to complete a task, you get a dopamine drip, because you've completed the task is good, right? It's a reward. But when you're flooding your brain, with, dopamine through social media, and all these things all the time, constantly, when you go to do that, Task that you normally get that drip from now, it's nothing. Yeah. So now you don't want to do fucking task anymore and then after a while, it's just like now you could become lazy and everything's a fucking mess, no responsibility.

59:53 Yeah, right. So it's all tied in, I agree. We went down the road. I'll tell ya brother. You ready to give so hungry? Yeah. Can we go back into it? And I grab a plate of food while you do. Why you do this part? Yeah. Well I'm going to be done in like, literally 30 seconds. You might as well. Wait. Okay, do it. And I'm gonna grab a plate and I'll eat what we catch. Okay. Well, we talk crap. Alright. Last last part, literally, just five lines along the real scary part with all the details bombarding him and creating a new anxiety born from the detailed knowledge of what and how it all happened. On those nights in October and December 1985. One aspect of the story would devastate him on a level that these memories never could that being the true story and uncovering of actual events in his life that can make teen 75.

1:00:42 Back when he was only 12 years old. All right, so anyway, back to this. I feel like, I feel like 1975 is wrong. I got a double check that in the book. Anyways, should just put that in the last segment I should have. You're right? I should have just did it and then just did this. Because this is, this is the good stuff, right? Can we, I mean the community communions going, okay, I love the story of communion everything but this, this episode end up doing with the infrared whole supposed to do and going down a different tangent. You know, it's funny because I get so much crap from that from people that I know that listen to it. They're like you guys are always going down these different rabbit holes.

1:01:25 I was like infinite Rabbit Hole. Yes, we do. You're right. That's, you know. I don't know. Just just to go back though. The farmers, right? Because this is this was like go ahead Jeff. Huh. Jeff go ahead and get your food. Oh yeah. Well no, he probably wants to talk about this. I already know what you're going to say. So I agree. I agree. But the thing is man, is that it was our one opportunity, right? Our one opportunity was staring us right in the face we had a whole bunch of Civilian Farmers. My dad even told me he liked when he came to Virginia and he was hanging out with me for a week or what not We got, we were talking about this topic and there's a couple guys that he works with that, you know, have their own Farms or their family has their own farms, and everything and they were telling my dad in person, right?

1:02:23 Yeah, we're getting these letters and we just got a shit ton of money because they don't always sell their entire crop, right? The most of the times they do, but when they do, it's a really good thing. Yeah. Right. And they said we got plenty of money. We got everything we needed and we were just told to burn it all. Just get rid of the crops. And I mean, there's there's a whole circle here. There's a whole big circle here. Like one of the biggest crops to grow beans soybeans and corn. Corn was another one throughout the country. That was really being targeted. And now when you look into like the chicken feed and stuff, I've also you know I hate to keep referencing Tick-Tock, right?

1:03:07 But if you want to go to someplace where you're going to see people that you, Not familiar with and their lifestyle. Let's say like Farmers, right? And people who feed their chickens every single day, and their eggs just their, their their chickens. Just stop laying eggs, right? And then they stop feeding them feed that they're buying, right? And there's they start giving them natural feed something that they're making themselves and egg start light coming out again. Yeah, come on. Well that's like the eggs we got in boot camp. Oh, we'll talk about that in a second but the But the thing is, is like this isn't just one person, right? This is hundreds if not thousands of people on Tick-Tock now that are saying stop.

1:03:53 Feeding your chickens store-bought feed simple as that. Stop? Yeah. If you're having this problem, don't feed them the feed and It's, it's like, okay, there it is. It's right in our face. Again, the first time. The farmer said, hey, this is coming. We're burning all our crops, because the government wants us to and they're paying us to do it. Yep. Now, they're sitting there saying don't feed your chickens shit feed that the government regulates because they're not going to lay eggs. Feed them, the feed in the corn, and the hus, you know, grind it all up yourself, and give it to them and they'll start laying eggs again.

1:04:36 And sure enough, we have all these Farmers on Tick-Tock now that our stats have stopped feeding their their chickens feed from like the you know, here in Wisconsin, be Fleet Farm right. And also another laying eggs. Ian, you know, as soon as that one guy that worked for the FDA got exposed like top-level guy where he said that we've been approving this that or the other because the companies pay us to, I lost my trust in the FDA. So I mean I would eating freaking rare chickens for, you know, months now and I mean, despite a little bit of blood in my poo.

1:05:16 I mean, it's not bad. I'm just kidding. I, that's gross. How's that dinner? Jeff. Bro, you have no idea. Oh, so hungry. I had that last time, I like, didn't eat all day because I was too busy at work. Came home had to hop on the episode. I didn't eat until like 8 p.m. and it literally was 24 hours since I had eaten. And I was just like that. Here I am. I've been 27. Yeah, seems a lot of time. I don't usually eat breakfast. Well let's let's go ahead and start wrapping this up.

1:05:57 We'll start talking some shit. Yeah, Jake I want you to pull up the one that you had. Oh sure. The weight, the YouTube one. No, I got the YouTube One on Gateway process for if you can get the the the one on flattered. Yeah, you sent it to the group. Yeah, that was on. That was on. Anchor. It was on basically at every episode unless we change it. There's a question that says he did. Yeah, it's not there anymore. So you gotta find the screenshot from the from the challenge.

1:06:38 Sure, I can look forward to and I got it. Anyways, we'll get something what he doing here. Yeah, I tried looking for it because I wanted to get it up for the episode. I can't find it. All right, so I'm Gateway process for. We got a comment on our YouTube. Yes, we are back on YouTube. You can watch our smiling faces and Jeff. What's up? Why don't we also put the video on anger? That's a good fucking question. I mean, we could be putting the videos up on Spotify to, uh, Okay. Yeah, I will do that too. Fuck it lucky Chucky football. Anyways, mr.

1:07:21 Hark, he'll har ke I ll, you are the first victim of talking shit within congratulations, man. He says bloody stupid podcasts. Nothing but conspiracy bullshit and contradictions space is real. Hey, fuck, they fuck face. Moises Naim fuckface 59, not anywhere close to that, but yeah, that's what I heard. Fuck this 5959, listen up. I advertise myself as a conspiracy theorist. So what you just said is fucking retarded, okay?

1:08:04 Oh man, you should have you got to go to his page? It is It's hilarious. Yeah I don't care I don't have time for this shit. I guess I'm a pretty funny. It's like you seen on some type to be hateful. You literally just like what you did is you just walked into like I don't know, a fucking NFL, locker room. You walked up to some dude. And you're like, you're a fucking idiot. Dude, you're just a stupid football player. No shit. I was gonna make a joke, but I can't find. Yes, we have kids who watch the show. Anyways, congratulations, mr. Hart Keel. You had you had to read our comments.

1:08:47 Okay. All right, so I commented back on behalf of the infrared whole. I said, LOL, someone's salty. Don't someone? Salty that they don't have a great podcast. That's right. And then I RH Jake came in and said going to season this weekend's tri-tip with all that salt nine out of 10 doctors agree, that space, Fake. So there you have it fo. No, I don't know why he commented that on the Gateway process thing. Like, what the first occurred to me is that this guy has no idea what the document is. That were reading. He doesn't understand, he jumped in on Gateway for and was like, what the fuck is all this shit?

1:09:30 You know? Because he clearly had listened to other episodes. I was gonna say, oh yes, facing other episode and he was The space. He listened to space is fake decided to jump on our YouTube so he could actually put faces to the names and the voices and then decided to brag on us because he doesn't have a leg to stand on and other spaces fake on Gateway process. For he hates the shows so much that he listens to it obviously more than once and he'll probably listen to it again and hear this. So you'll probably comment again which will prove my point here that he's Second strike on YouTube. So I do want to play a game.

1:10:19 Every time we do this, the game is, Is it digital or not? Every time every single time this is, you know, mr. Hale eel. See, I looked at his videos, he has the potential to digital assassin. Someone that would make up a really cool nickname or like, you know, screen name. Really boring person, I got more respect for digital asshat than then this Guy like when I went to go see his videos on YouTube I was like, wow, dude, this is a sad fucker. Like, I mean, you know, I'm not I'm not trying to bust on the appointment living his life.

1:11:03 What a Sad, Sad, Sack of a person, I'm not trying to bag on anybody's life style. Yeah, I mean no, no, I'm not because he's our thing and talk some shit. This, what happens, bro? This is what happens, this is what happens. We gotta go. Comment on. Of his videos. Now, personally, I would love to take an air mattress and throw it in a lake and and use it like a raft. That seemed pretty cool. Well, the thing is we're calling him out for this but this is what is going to do is other people who want attention or not going to start talking shit on the comments and we'll call them out but that's just going to boost the algorithm so that we get more views. Yes, it's a cycle, bad publicity is publicity.

1:11:45 So there's no such thing as bad publicity, hate me in the comments and we'll pick it apart. And will try to determine whether or not you are a sad or not. I am going to I'm going to vote. No I'm going to vote. No I think I think there's a better option somewhere out there in the near future. Possibly that just hasn't commented yet. I think digital is coming back. I just I can't see him. Not do it. Just keeps updating his same review on my Apple reviews for my show. He doesn't have any cars. You just updates every once in a while, he'll type update and just add to the paragraph, dude, you should read it like a short story and use mid-june.

1:12:28 To make it strengthens for it and be like just a pair of butt cheeks. Wearing a hat. Perfect child's book. Um, all right, in the next one, I believe this was from the Flat Earth conversations part one and it was the question that we had on it is pretty much the default. What did you think about this episode? And this person went in pretty hard. He didn't you know tell us that we were stupid. But he said Flat Earth is the most attacked conspiracy at his as it is the most important Flat Earth level in parentheses disproves, the big bang and evolution Theory. It's proof of creationism for anyone who has a brain, this is proof of God exclamation point.

1:13:20 So I'm not going to beg this guy because the guy, the guy honestly believes in something right. He believes that Flat Earth is Israel. And if it ends up being true, it could be very important, right? It would change a lot of things, sure. But I, I'm going to disagree nicely disagree with this person and say, I don't believe it's the most important conspiracy theory. I just don't. And that's because the believability for it. For me is pretty low, I think. Now, go ahead. I'm gonna agree with the commenter that, this is the most important, not necessarily, because whether or not the Earth is flat, which I do agree with his point that if it is flat.

1:14:09 And obviously, that's the most important thing ever because we just discovered what he's saying. But aside from that, it's the most Important because of if you really, truly take the time to research Flat Earth in its entirety, the proper model and you really do the digging. You learn so many other conspiracies, you find so many other connections and dots and who's what's and all these things that if you started with that, you would come out of it. Even if you didn't think the Earth was flat, you would come out of it, a conspiracy theorist because you would know all these other things that were true and you could confirm it, is that make sense, it's a gateway drug It's a gateway drug, it really can be. It's kind of like 9/11 and away, right? 911 is another one, it must be.

1:14:53 A lot of people would say. That's the most important because of the same thing because it's a Gateway. You learn? So many things that you're like, wait a second. We are not living in the reality that we're told me. So. That was my first thought. Actually my mind went immediately went to 911 that is one of the more important conspiracy theories. So what I'm going to actually do is I'm going to take a middle stance here. I don't agree but I don't disagree. Flat Earth is a really big one. Yes, but so is 911. They do the same thing. So that's where I'm going to sit with this one. I'm in, I'm waffling. I'm going to disagree with this commenter because I believe in God. I have a relationship with God.

1:15:41 but when it comes down to the most important things, there's plenty of ways to disprove evolution. But disproving evolution or proving Evolution or proving that the Earth is flat or proving that the Earth is a globe. Doesn't keep people from, you know, in my belief system. If you're not saved by the blood of Christ, you're going to spend forever separated from God, however, horrible that might be, So in my personal Viewpoint, that information is not the most important thing you spend your whole life trying to maybe someone does they prove the Earth is flat great. I've heard plenty of people that are Christians. Say that the Bible talks about the Earth, being flat, fantastic knowledge of that won't keep you out of hell. So I don't find it to be the most important thing. Now, that being said, if this guy took the time to reach out to us and clearly he's on the opposing Viewpoint as most of us were you know Jeff and I think we had Declassified Dave on that one.

1:16:53 Yeah you know and then the rest of us. Yeah you know, whatever one way or the other. But Jeremy you were asking for someone who believed in Flat Earth to come on the show and it would be cool if we could you know maybe he'll It on this one. You know if you're listening to this Jeff hit us up. I think it's Jeff GE o FF, right? Yes. So yeah. Jeff if you're listening to this shoot us a DM on our group, Facebook page, if you want to come on and discuss your opinion because clearly you have interest here, you have Jeff that's agreeing with. You cans are is is half and half Jeremy's disagreeing.

1:17:34 And I'm just saying well it's really unimportant to the Grand. A scheme of things. But in any case, we would love to have you on here, to hear you out. Why? You believe this. And and you know what you feel are the evidences of it and stuff. And first, and foremost, you have Jeff here to pry back you up in most of these cases. So, I mean, yeah, that would be really cool. I think that there's one mistake that the religious community makes when it comes to this type of thing and that's to assume in. And I can say everybody but It just seems like generally, this is what I get, you know, that argument that if we can prove, the Big Bang was fake that creation, story is real, but I don't see how they can't be the same. I don't see how the big bang couldn't be an act of God that is the creation story if that makes sense right now. Obviously, like, I don't know, it's just weird to me that that connection doesn't seem to be made as much in the religious community.

1:18:32 No, I feel you. Everything came from nothing. Suddenly it wasn't. It's In development, it was a miracle in a way. The Bible says that you know that the gods, speak it into existence, the voice of God is supposed to sound like booming Thunder to people that don't know what it is, right? It's you can't even comprehend it. But yeah, I mean the scientists could have just backed away in the Bible with this whole Big Bang Theory and saying yeah everything wasn't and then everything was right exam. So yeah, I mean I feel that But when it gets into the evolution portion I'm just like yeah you lost me? Yeah but you know there's no reason to that's another part of it.

1:19:14 I don't see why the connection can't be made that Evolution wasn't part of God's design, right? Like why couldn't God have snapped the Big Bang into existence with all of the universe in time and also created this evolutionary mechanism for us to get to the point to where we can do, you know what I mean? Like, I just don't sure how that couldn't still be part of this Grand Miracle, you know? I mean, I listen, To dr. Frank Turek, and he does college QA, he debates, you know, atheists and stuff and he he said straight up. He's like look even if evolution was true. He's like even if we all took a really long time to get to where we are now it doesn't take anything away from Jesus and things he said that's like so honestly it's not even an argument, you know, concept right there like you could bridge the gap between atheists and religious people, right?

1:20:05 Like there is that Gap and there is these debates all The time and it's almost like this resentment between the two groups in a way and right you could bridge that to a certain extent if that realization was just more broad like hey dude, all of this could be the miracle, right? Like doesn't have to be one or the other, both things can be true at the same time. Fair enough. Yeah, Jeff. Come on up, come hit us up. We'd love to have you on. Absolutely love it. My cat's fucking with my greens with good stuff. Everybody. All right, well I don't know how long it's going to be until you get part for. We're going to try not to just dump a whole bunch of the same topic on you guys all at once. So I don't know maybe another month or two until they shoot for another month and a half and hopefully we can get something different out to you next week, don't know what it is yet. Maybe maybe it's the next part.

1:21:01 Of the Gateway process. I don't know. That's what I wanted to be just because you know, I'm I'm into it right now but we do need to make sure that we throw in some other shit and they're 20. And just for the listeners, don't expect the trolls episode anytime soon. I just lost my motivation for it, but coming up, you'll probably hear a really cool story about the losing and finding of a Cryptid and how it all went together. And you know, get a cool story out of it. Well well, anybody else have anything else? No sir. All right.

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