Flat Earth Conversation Part 1 feat. Declassified Dave

0:03 Hello, my name is John, so sure, the father Jeremy Scioscia and I want to welcome you to the next exciting episode of the infinite rabbit hole. Welcome back to another gripping. Episode of the infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I am your host Jeremy and today we're going to dive into the world of Flat Earth.

0:58 Why don't know, actually, I do know, take that back. It is in response to the hush-hush society conspiracy hours. Newest episode, or not newest episode. I don't know when this episode is going to come out and so it's one of their newest episodes their part to of Flat Earth we were going to do a different episode today. And actually, it was Turn up to bat kids going to jump in next time on the in forever home. Bring us her newest topic but I just had to do this because I've been holding off for just so damn long but we'll get into that story here in a second. First I want to bring in everybody and then bring in our guest. Let's start with kid kid. Why I brought you up?

1:38 How are you doing today? I'm okay, I've been better but also been worse. So I'm ready. Surviving right now. You ready to get flat? I am. Yeah. Flat like a pancake and then the next guy who believes in the firmament. Jeffrey sir. Geoffrey sir, Geoffrey Flat Earth row. Why does everybody make these assumptions about her Jeffrey of the Flat Earth? No matter how many times I repeat myself, people still say I'm a fan moving on to Jake Jake, how you doing today? Well, Whitney brought the ick home, maybe, maybe covid. I don't know, maybe not and I'm wearing my show hat. So I'm ready to defend the government and their interests. With whatever I need to in this topic. So I'm sorry.

2:33 I meant, I meant no disrespect, I just don't know. Listeners, that's okay because the record for the record. I am not a flat earther. However, I will take the role in taking down, chill, Jake here and his chivalry. So I will be defending the Flat Earth theory. One of us has sailed 15,000 miles, nautical miles. Us and not falling off the edge of the Earth of us has not as fell off the we'll get to it buddy. Jake you almost didn't. Wait to make the episode today, man. You feeling better?

3:16 Yeah, I got I don't know. I feel like I have some like nasal congestion cold thing. Whitney has something going on. We got our covid tests in waiting, on them to come back. But even if it's not Covid. I mean the ink is around this time of year so it's just you know, it's not that at something else. So whatever, you know, I got two kids in the house right now, the flu. So I'm sure I'm going to get that to you very soon. All right. So moving on the reason why we're doing this episode is because of our guest Dave. How dare you are you Dave welcome aboard. A game idea about doing this until What 1:00 today or something? I know dude on a whim, dude, on a whim, I was like, hey, are you busy this afternoon?

4:06 I can make it work, Yahoo, I appreciate it. Sorry. All right over there to kind of get everyone caught up and up speed of what's going on here. I listen to an episode of the hush-hush society today. As I do very often they put out good quality stuff and I like their shit and the episode that they talked about today was Flat Earth, their part to revisit to topic Dave. If I'm, if I'm correct you guys Revisited because You guys got some hate mail huh? Yeah we originally did the topic in May of 2021 and we took a lava dump on the whole thing and it was it just didn't feel fair and then well in my eyes it didn't feel fair. I can't speak for the other two because they enjoy taking dumps on this.

5:06 No matter what. but, I felt it needed a fair shake. And so I tried and tried and tried, since at least want to say, at least, beginning of August, just not every day, because I would lose my mind but a couple times a week spending like an hour or two couple hours really diving into it and reformulating all the information that I had accumulated the first time without being a sassy pants about it, I guess. So after years of study that you put into this years and years and years decades, some may say, are you now a flat earther? No, but I'm open to conversation. I, we have some things planned with our, our show with some other shows where there's another Flat Earth episode coming out sometime in the beginning of the year. And it's with it's me against.

6:09 Different types of flat earthers biblical, father's, geocentric model flat-earthers and I'm terrified, but it's going to be a lot of fun. They're good people, it's going to be a one part series of three or four different episodes can't say too much about it right now. But no, dude. That sounds freaking exciting out a lot. Yeah, yeah. It's been a couple months in the works and And I can say it's like eight different shows all in one, so it's a major cluster but you're just gonna get rammed by one show after another. Yeah.

6:49 And speaking of ramming you ask me what happened hate mail. We very quickly after our episode back in May of twenty. Twenty-One got email from David Weiss. As we would I'm sure any time some, anytime Flat Earth pops up on a feed. He's probably one of the first people to jump on that and listen to it and He had an exchange with Mike via email and it was some name-calling and it was it was I thought it was funny because we were, you know, he called us all these names morons and bunch of paid idiots and whatnot and David we get Negative money on this show.

7:34 So let me tell you, not pole facts that made opposition, sorry. Paying opposition, I guess you and we invited him in this episode to come on the show or anyone to come on the show because I would really love to interview somebody that's like hell bent on it and there's no other, no other Theory, other than that, but we'll see. We just dropped it a Monday. So it's a it's got good reception though. No, hate mail yet, good plays, but they're coming is word yet. That's a word. So let's go around the table real quick and just kind of get a base thought where everyone sits on this topic because this is a controversial topic man. I hear from every single podcast that does the flatter topic that they instantly become like the center of the universe of hate like everyone just jumps jumps on the train and just you know goes the town on a podcast.

8:39 Immediately after the drop an episode on Flat Earth and we've held off so long on Flat Earth because I'm going to I'll just go first not a flat earther not in the least bit. I actually, this is one of those topics where I don't even want to waste my time, doing research on it. Just, just be honest with you, I just don't believe it. Now, do I will I accept anybody coming out to the show as a flat earther to kind of, come on, and try to change my mind? Mind with some facts and everything. Absolutely, for sure I'm open-minded, let's talk about it. But for the most part no II think it's think it's a waste of time in just being honest with you, I really do. I think there's other things in this world that are much more fascinating and like you said in your episode there, David or no, it wasn't you.

9:30 I think it was Mike. Actually who said what's it going to change? Even if, even if the world is flat, you didn't care. What is his thing. And that was even a year and a half ago as well. He was like, I don't give a shit. That was, that was pretty much where he was at, and that's why he was pretty apprehensive, Frankie was on the fence but he was pretty apprehensive to do it. He's like, I don't want to waste my time on this, I don't want to waste it episode but I pushed him off the Flat Earth to do it. And so, so So that's kind of how we landed here, right? Is because I don't want to do the research. I just don't Jeff, I don't know. I am a little bit but at the same time, like Jeff may or may not bring it to the table one day and I'm sure he's gonna do a hell of a better job than I am, or he's going to get a guest that can do a hell of a better job than I would. I can.

10:26 So I'm waiting for that because I want it to be a mind-blowing experience. I know Jeff's going to come prepared. Speaking of Jeff. Let's jump straight to you, man. Are you or are you not well? Okay pancakes or muffins? Well, if you've listened to like pretty much any of the other episodes, you know that I'm not a flat earther. That's not true. Which episodes are episodes your apps. Yeah. All of them. Even the space is fake episode. Right? Let's that clear. I explicitly say like I'm not a flat earther. I don't think I don't. Leave the Earth is flat right. My my stance honor this my stance on this is its kind of complicated honestly but honestly it's that none of us know for one and for any of us to assume that we would know we would have to take just blind information from what I call the suits, right?

11:27 The the lizard people that boys. Yeah right alphabet soup. So now I'm not about that life but the question, the problem I have is that most people who blindly say, the Earth is not flat because this because that they just don't even understand the model, right? I've at least there's been a point in my life where I was a flat earther, right? So I understand the model to the point where I could explain it to some people, right? I can kind of dumb shit down to people get it. But yeah, that's the biggest problem I have people immediately say, no. Because they don't understand the model and I have a problem with that and it's Self. So, I'm here to at least hopefully correct people's perception of the model, if there is a misconception and then explain why that could be a good question to ask. You know, why can't we see the curve, or whatever the case may be, right?

12:21 So, that's kind of where I'm at, perfect. I know exactly where we're going to start with this episode. Let's move on to Jacob. Yeah, I mean like even as a bible-believing guy, Why, you know, hearing other Christians that are flat earthers and their evidence from the Bible about how we know the Earth is flat and stuff. Like, I'm just uninterested. That's pretty much I'm in the same boat. What does it matter? You know, in the grand scheme of things. Who cares? What does it matter? You know. Oh my gosh, we're going to find out the truth and then and then, you know, the other 98% of milk is going to be unlocked, you know.

13:04 No, it doesn't matter. But yeah, I mean I but I'm open to the conversation because it's like most of the stuff that we deal with on here. It's like, we can't prove that Bigfoot exists. We can be pretty, dang sure. You know, Jeremy has experienced, but there's plenty of people that would say, oh no you mind playing tricks on you or if there's no physical body, you're lying or whatever you're misinformed or you know, X Y & Z, whatever, but the conversation is still cool, you know, even if you know, Jeremy was the only one in here that believed in Bigfoot, which is not, but the conversation would be cool to hash out. So, this conversation is cool. But doing any sort of like, deep dive in Research into like proving or disproving for me, just Stood in that. Not hear people out, you know?

13:55 All right kid okay I sit in this weird Middle Ground of like I really don't care, but I still really want to know like like of spaces I want the answer, right? Like I really could care less of space was fake, but I really want to know if space is fake the same thing like I also don't think I could really sit here. I could sit here and say that it wouldn't change my mind set on the world, but it probably would I don't want to see, I could, that's that you that's almost like Pun intended world-shattering information? Good one right?

14:45 Like yeah, isn't it kind of like a defeating argument because really the most hardcore flat-earthers? The only way they would possibly believe that the Earth was not flat was if someone launch them up in a rocket and they're able to look out the window and see the Earth. But even then and if they said, hey turns out the Earth is a globe. None of their friends would believe it baby. I call your attention. She'll now, you're lying to us. We have to have the proof so it's just, there's no way to get everyone on board anyway. Right. That's the hardest part that's the hardest part right? Because and it's not just from the flat earthers point of view. It's from the what do they call him? The globe cards.

15:26 Great globalists laugh so hard. When I heard that the globe starts like like myself. If I'm a cube earth guy so I know she likes Raptors. I actually go for the bottom of bikinis. I like that shape. So, but anyways now we're off point anyways, it's a difficult fight, no matter what. Side of the field, your honor.

16:09 It doesn't matter. You're going to tell me something and I'm going to go two years of Science and everything and engineering and whatnot with my evidence. But at the same time, that same stuff that I sit there and quote when it comes to other conspiracies is the same stuff that I don't believe in when it comes to like the, you know, NASA landing on the moon or us landing on the moon or the JFK assassination or You know, there's a lot of stuff where you know, I would be like, oh yeah, so you're going to trust the government but yeah, I'm sitting here trip government that you know the flat or the the Earth is round.

16:52 I would Elon Musk lie to us. See, that's the thing that's also the thing. No matter what, no matter what the actual I, why wouldn't he can we just start? Can I start with? Like the biggest thing which is what? I'm buddy, pretty much said, is why does it fucking matter last thing? Last thing last thing? Okay, if it turns out that the world is flat and the only way I want it to be flat as if there's actually more ocean and land past the ice wall. If that's true fucking, that's really cool. I dig that, I like that. You know, exploration is neat. But other than that, I mean, if it's just Nice warm. We fall off into the into the great Abyss that sucks.

17:35 But anyway, it was all right. Conclusion was if there is anything past that extra land and extra resources is definitely more of a fascinating idea, then I guess a lot. There's I mean, there's nothing. There's so many different arguments and even with other conspiracies people in that same topic, contradict each other with Certain things and it makes one side. It makes the people who are actually who might actually have valid arguments and maybe even some some types of factual information that they could actually show you look bad, because then you have the other side. That's just kind of spewing garbage. And and I think for me, when I think, when I say it, probably, it would definitely change everything because, I mean, you'd have economic collapse, social collapse. Religious collapse, there'd be all that stuff. Would definitely just be shot in a way that we probably would never be able to understand because it's never happened to us in that sense.

18:42 But I guess for me, the would it matter. There's a lot of the arguments of all you're locked in this prison and your, it's a spiritual prison or whatnot. And for me, I think it's, I think it would be fascinating either way if we're actually on a planet spinning through whatever that's still pretty fast. Donating compared to whatever the shape is. So for me, I've gotten off of the point of the shape and more of the How much is, how much are we being lied to about about the stuff? And I kind of veered off of like it's flat isn't a muffin? Is it a pancake? Is it a velociraptor you know like or is it a pear shaped like Neil deGrasse Tyson says the shape for me, doesn't matter as much. It's more.

19:27 Like why I asked him? Yeah he's he's more oval more egg-shaped. Yeah. Handsome. No handsome, man. So, no, not that either oblong. All right, ice wall on the other side of that is either where the reptilians are or the white walkers. Either way, I can't see anything good being on the other side of the ice wall, I'm team White Walkers. I think I want to be one is not interesting that they do that in pop culture though. Like they hint towards things like that, just to debt. That is interesting. It's to make fun of people, you know. Very well could be, but I think that there's a mix of that. It's a bit of mocking and it's also a bit of seed, planting and Doctor nation and Doctrine.

20:19 It's a lot of it, you know, it's a mix of everything, but it's interesting that they do that. That's all I'm saying. So first thing, I would like to say, well, not the first but one thing I would like to say before we get really hot into this topic is, I'd like to apologize to The Travelers of the infant rabbit hole because you're not going to get a deep explanation of exactly. We're talking about like if you're listening to this and you don't know anything about Flat Earth. You're like what the fuck is a flat or the ice wall, right? First of all, get out from underneath the rock, you've been living a lie. There's there's there's a couple options for you, right? You can Google it or you can head on over to Hush Hush or even Shadow band. Word us.

21:05 You don't want to hear our explanation. Every single podcast in the history of podcasts have done this at some point, like I'm sure Rogen has touched on Flat Earth, 20 times. Now he doesn't want to touch it anytime someone, I think Eddie Bravo brings it up and he's like shut up. Like you're like he just he and I've never seen him want to touch it. I think he'll bring it up. He brought it up randomly once with Neil deGrasse Tyson. And he was just like, He shot it off. Yeah, it's such a political topic, it's it's nuts. It is like your become Public Enemy. Number one, as soon as you start talking about it which gives it weight it does does.

21:47 And then how many percent that is? The the most intriguing thing about it. Alright Jeff I know I kind of got a little long-winded their man but let's go ahead and get into. Why is it important? Well, I mean, I think they've kind of touched on that already a little bit, but, you know, it is, it is something to think about. If we do come to some realization that we are in some enclosed space, right? Whether it is flat or not. Like if we realize, even if it's like, in that cartoon, I forget what it is war. The Earth is like in the confined Cube, you know what I mean? And it's like, we're quarantined, you know, No.

22:28 Like if we find out anything like that, then that just changes like everything. We understand about our existence in the universe, right? Because as of right now as a whole as a species, we all know that we're the only thing out there and we might believe and think and wonder and wish there might be other shit out there. But we know that there's not a as of what we know. You know what I'm saying, that makes sense from our perspective, right? So if we realize that something is not only out there but is so Superior to us that it has enclosed Us in some kind of enclosure since the beginning of our existence. Like that's, that's important.

23:08 I think there's nothing more important than that on some level. Not to say that we should stop everything and focus on that. But that information would be the most important. What about asteroid craters? What do you mean all over the place? It's all types of lakes and stuff that used to be that we're listening goals, giant holes from this is hitting the Earth. This is the thing, right? It's we can go down a list for days and days and days about what about this, what about that? From both sides? Like you can point out. You can point out things that prove bring out this list, space is real. And you know what I'm saying? Like, you could go down the list forever and I can go down a list forever and we could do this for days. Days thinking like a like a container like on Spaceballs or they have to open it up and vacuum out all the air. But anyways, listen, the point is, like, I don't think we should just get caught in the weeds doing that like oh, what about this?

24:09 What about what? Howard about those. You know, that's pointless. People do this all day, but the point is, that information would be the most important information that humankind ever had. If, that information came out, so I don't disagree with you, I don't because it would be absolutely huge, but the thing is, is, like, what does it matter to me, right. What does it matter to? Jeremy. It doesn't it may matter to my kids, or my grandkids and my great-grandkids or whatever. Because we know that there were, there were lice times or Generations before us, right? We know that it was there. I mean, the amount of detail that would have to be placed into reality, you know, if this isn't a simulation of, you know, dead corpses and the history that were that were taught and And everything that we've been through, the detail would be way too much for it to be all faked.

25:06 That's one thing that I just want to get out of the way real quick. Is it a lot of people go around this say, oh well the government doesn't want you to to wipe your butt, you know. So they are they do want you wipe your Buzz? They give you toilet paper right? Or four years ago when there wasn't any yeah nobody wanted that. But I mean, the thing is, is, you know, a lot of people blame the government for everything. And this is the, most shell thing that I'm probably ever going to say on this fucking show, is the government isn't? They don't fucking care about the details like that. They just don't, they can't do it. Then I'ma be honest with you, most of them aren't fucking smart enough to do it, so to move forward, right? If I, if I find out in my time, my time here on Earth that the Earth is Flat.

26:00 And there's this whole other world beyond the ice wall. What does that do for me? My ever going to be able to go there. My ever gonna be able to check it out. Not at all. My kid. Probably won't build a chicken out. My grandkids might not and you're talking centuries before anybody's got free access to anything if not, never right? And it just disappears again. But where, you know, someone could be listening to this and be like, well dude, you're obsessed with Bigfoot. The thing a difference about Bigfoot is if we discover Bigfoot, we could do something with it right now. And that's another thing that that's correct. Well, that's that's one thing I talked about it. Oh my goodness, I think it's a good idea.

26:47 Just an idea. All right, look Taxidermy is a thing. Okay, I disagree 100%. Do you? Yeah 100% I guarantee you that if somehow and I am I saying this is the case but it's if the information came out tomorrow and it said hey guys guess what? There is a nice wall and there is extra land over there. Continent-sized, continents sighs, write a whole nother world over there on either side that information came out tomorrow. I guarantee you if not people in our generation like you said your kids or grandkids would be exploring that so that that right there, Is Suzy.

27:30 I mean, I'm saying like this is that, that is so incredibly important, especially For What humans are and what we have been forever. All right, that's what we do. We explore, we find. Oh, there's new shit for me to go. Look at, let's go. Look at it. I don't doubt that they'll have a caravan of people heading straight for the ice wall. Naruto running right at it. Should hit that right? That's going to happen but that Hefty climb I don't know. No. Dia. Right? It's Becky. Like I said, nothing that I've ever looked into, I like, what Dave brought up in there episode is that, you know, somebody could have seen an ice shelf and thought of as a wall, it makes a lot of sense but but I get that Jeff do.

28:19 But the thing is that, if if that's the case, if there is land Beyond extraterrestrial, right extra Tara, I love that, I think it's dumb. But anyways, somebody already knows about it. It's already been discovered, it's already been, you know, it's probably developed. You know, if most likely there's already something living Pastor keeping this here resources. Yeah, it's probably more of a wasteland in this fucking places. Be honest with you. I think the opposite one of world for the water for the Wasteland where the quarantine Zone everything out there is so super Advanced 10,000 years, more advanced, that's Atlantis. And that's, you know, I'm happy that you brought it up because that is one of the things that, you know, you have all of these ancient civilizations that are constantly talked about throughout history or, you know, quote-unquote history, like Atlantis.

29:13 This is just an example, but there's This amount of civilizations just like Atlanta is that we can't find right there there or they're there in our history, people have written about them. People have talked about them, they've been passed down verbally and written but we can't find them. Where are they? We don't know right? A lot of people were very quick to just throw Atlantis to the curb and say this never existed. Maybe it does exist past the ice wall. I don't believe it but A little known fact. Amelia Earhart, actually Flew Over the ice wall and then are playing Crash. That's why she could never come back. That's not it.

29:55 No, it's true. I heard that the other day, actually. Let's all just first time winging it. But yeah, I can't remember where I heard that. But something, there's some conspiracy theory where she went on some flight discovered something and then died suddenly disappeared and died. So there is a conspiracy theory. They're all Died tick tied to everybody else. But what about all the, like hundreds of thousands of people? I don't say Millions because I don't have the numbers. That's this might be even hi, but let's say hundreds of thousands of people that have had Private plane licenses, private aircraft licenses and fly around all over the place and private ships and sail around all over the place. Like my best friend from high school. His dad has been continuously sailing around the world for the last 15 years.

30:50 He retired sold his house. His parents got a divorce and he sold the house. He was constantly renovating boats, got a big old boat, renovated it out, and he's been sailing around the world. Post pictures on Facebook all the time of, this is where I'm at this, where I'm at all sorts of stuff. Right? But none of them has ever been. Like, here's a picture of the Ice wall. Well, paid opposition. Duh. Yeah, enough money to tell him not to say anything about the ice wall. Yeah. So There most definitely is like a nice like a shelf of ice, you know, if you go if you go to Antarctica I have not been down south but I have seen National Geographic videos. David Attenborough talking about this in that right in the there's a giant ice shelf, right? And in some places you would like you said, if you sell across up to that, especially 500 years ago to be like Fucking ice wall, right?

31:55 So you know, people you could sail around the world and not ever see Antarctica thing. That's big eyes wall like the, I don't understand, I guess, I don't understand the question. I thought you were going to actually ask like, how come they don't sail off the edge and I'm not, I was just going to immediately tell you. You have no idea what the model looks like, but no it was it was where's the pictures of like The the wall with something on the other side or something like that. Like flying around being like oh crap. It's not like a wall, it's not like a wall. And then there's showing that it's not like Game of Thrones were literally, as there's our land, a wall and then more other shit Lana.

32:35 It's like you say a wall and I know what a wall looks like. And that's what a wall looks. It's like the ocean and then that ice shelf of Antarctica, the the coastline of Antarctica right there. Imagining that it wraps around the earth and that that's kind of like the high end of a bowl in the Is the load the water right in a bowl. If you imagine, and then there's hundreds, thousands of miles of ice, you know? Plateau of ice. Just, you know, mountains and shit, right pyramids? Right? Let's not forget and then maybe there's more land 10,000 miles that way I guess, right? Some number It's basically a big Plateau, okay. But giant Glacier mention a glacier that just covers fucking what you would think of the size of Antarctica I suppose.

33:20 And then just, you know, I'm Gonna Let You Believe in like the ring Theory, right? Or that's the model you referring to her, it's like hears us, and then there's another ring, another ring, another ring. Again, belief is a No-No. Well, that's that's the thing that you're talking about, right? One of a couple of models that I could stand behind to a certain degree. Yeah, sure. Hey buddy, bear with us while we take this quick break. We also have a lot of people, I mean, I just looked up real quick. How much Antarctic cruises are for one person and they're around 15.

34:03 Geez, just for the cruise. So a lot of people don't see how that just don't have that pocket. Money to go check it out for themselves and and like we've said on multiple occasions on Antarctic episodes. Flat Earth episodes you can Hollow Earth episode Antarctica sucks. Like nobody is going to go there and if you're a private, if you own like a Cessna you ain't getting there. So you know it's you got to have some you gotta love those. Flights are long, especially if you're going, you know, even just flying getting it getting to it and then flying over the ice wall. That would be definitive proof if you can get to it and then see, either it either curves like a continent or it curves all the way around and keeps going like, what you'd see on the circular model for flat. Earth and that would be definitive, you know, but nobody has pictures of it just like I think I think it goes back to the, to the lying in my most intriguing part of it is The whole resources fossil fuels we're running out of this. We have, you know, we're killing the air, that's that's horse crap but you know, we're, you know, I'm pretty sure. Carter said it that we were in 10 years we're all going to be baking, you know.

35:18 It's going to be like Venus we're fucked and we're clearly not and the, you know, there's but there's unlimited resources behind this wall and that would be intriguing, especially with current events. And the way things are going Really does kind of look like people are just bullshitting us or we're just being trolled on every level. It's not a globe or it's flat, you know, it's something else entirely like it's a velociraptor. I'm telling you a relative. Who says, I forget what I said, I should all time bed. Same. Triple he says that all the time on. Yeah, he says that, um, but it's a but what, what's the, I guess?

35:58 What would you define as a realm, you know, like is it a, you know, like The Truman Show you know, is it just an area that's enclosed. But that's that's my that's my most intriguing part is why and you have to go all the way into like the Antarctic treaty and why the Pentagon owns a piece of the pie and all these other nations. And why can't you go there? I think the, the conspiracy theory of you being shot at going. There is horseshit. I don't think you're going to get shot at because just the one of the one of the baseball of the San Diego Padres pitcher, is there throwing baseballs the other day and they filmed him doing it? But he might not actually be in Antarctica. I mean we could be paid opposition as well. You never know you can go. Antarctica. But they're going to bring you to a very select locations like anything. Any like you're saying with the cruise, if anybody's ever been on any cruise to anywhere like the cruise doesn't just take over you want?

36:47 Yeah, exactly. Your you brought to a very curated location with curated events for you to partake in. Like you're not seeing like the shitty parts of town or whatever, you know what I'm saying. Like dude. So I did add attachment to the Bahamas for two weeks to Andros Island. And or autec rather and it was like a third world country like, people had, we're flying over and our helicopters and people have tarps for roofs and all sorts of stuff and we weren't allowed to leave the base and then you could see the other Island where that was the fun area and stuff. And people are like, over there blown thousands of dollars. You're absolutely right. I'm gonna show you this stuff.

37:28 Mostly Antarctica. Be the best place for the hollow Earth, you know, Admiral Byrd. You know, that I put a picture in the chat and I also sent one to you. David, In Facebook chats. And, you know, just a quick picture. I found just to give you an idea that there is like, some kind of wall idea, right? This idea of an ice wall does exist, you know. And, you know, that could be anywhere. 150 200 feet high depending on where you are, right? So it's a big ice wall that exist down there and then that Plateau that you're seeing in that picture that again could go on stretch for thousands of miles. Before you could get to the potential extra Tara, right?

38:10 That's how big of a wall we're talking about here. So nobody's going to fly over at me like, oh, I saw some shit on the other side, you know, well, without without digging into it and hearing the 10,000 miles of ice, you say a wall, it's like, well, how big of a wall are we talking about now? You know, not a cliff, that's what that is. An ice. Cliff Thousand Mile, thick Glacier Ice. Walls are so thick like 15 sees. I think I don't the image is a legitimate picture. Looks like it probably is but I mean that could just be a chunk of ice that just dropped off and I mean it's not all, they talk all the time. About miles long chunks ice just drop it on bro, bro. Again we're I think that the words are what the problem is. It creates a specific?

39:06 In your mind. Everybody thinks like you're saying one thing. When you're meeting another thing like you know let me just find out what I'm picking up on here is Jeff saying wide Jeremy saying long, those are two different things. Here comes another picture thing. Here's another picture. Okay? Just to give you an idea of scale, and how people would think that there's like a nice wall here. Like, this is a wall. And, again, there's places where it's smaller, and there's places where it's bigger and we'll put these pictures in the in, on the Facebook's for people to see because obviously, we're talking about pictures for 10 minutes, but that's what's on the other side. This crappy Tent City in this. Sure, right. But again, you know, we're you can't just show him something you you and I cannot just take a boat and just go hang out, get up that wall and go do this.

39:54 You can't do that. First of all, when are they going to shoot at? You probably not because they know that. Even if you tried to trick the distance that you're seeing there in the in the background, you to go see what might be Beyond, you're going to die, you might not, you're not gonna make it. So what I had to do anything, if you shall take their grills with me, tear take them. Bear Grylls and his camera crew in his mobile Hotel. Computer cereals is full of shit. Yeah. But we're going to be doubling back every single time for his camera equipment. All right, I just want the film crew from Bear Grylls. Let's do it this way.

40:37 Anyways, so that's definitely an ice shelf and to be like, you know what flat-earthers were Or two as the ice wall? That's not it. That's I mean that looks like that's what I'm telling you right now as a former flat earther. That picture. Those pictures literally are. What is considered the ice wall? Yeah. Okay. Now you're right. Yes, that could just be a giant Glacier. Maybe it's a mile long and it's 10 miles long, maybe it's maybe it's a thousand, maybe that's the literal Edge. The coastline of massive Pieces of Antarctica, which it is, right.

41:18 So again, the idea is that Antarctica. You have to understand the map, right? And I understand about, I've seen the map so seen it. This is the usual advice wall, so that's my whole point. Is that the ice wall is this massive thing. It's not this idea that Jake was saying before. That's my only point about this. All right. So, so we're having a circle argument about what a wall is Dave, what were some of the things that you guys talked about on your episode of like? Because Jeremy hinted at it with me over the phone. He said that you had kind of like a list of like the most common or or most heart, the hardest to debunk like arguments from flat-earthers.

42:06 From from one, I talked about the math. The math of like the curve? Yeah. The parabola thing. That was interesting to me. Yeah, there was something that, I mean, I'm bad at math. Like like I said many times in that episode but living on the western side of the United States and literally being able to, I mean I can see the ocean from my house, the whole entirety of you know, this Coast was was trying to do that trying to do the math. SLI. I don't have any equipment to do the math, but when you're looking, I think one of the things that I had taken, as an example was seeing aircraft carriers go, I don't want to say go over the horizon because then that, that starts the whole where they start to float. It starts well, when you, when you Swatch them, go past your point of vision.

43:05 I and what is it supposed to be every 10 miles of 66.6 feet? I think that was an intriguing number two. That I think a lot of people there, they perk up when they hear that. They're like, oh, cool. That isn't we got some numerology going on? I mean, you guys would know more than me, but from my understanding, a flight deck to waterline is like 60 to 90 90 feet. Yeah. And then, from the top from that flight, from the flight deck, to the top of your radar is probably the same. I would imagine. So you're looking at 180, I don't know how tall an aircraft carrier is, but I would say probably 150 to 180 feet above the water line and you're watching them go and you can track them out.

43:50 You know, there's especially, you know, there's some apps. I had the app earlier, I wanted to get it, but I couldn't find it because I used it when I was doing this this research, but there's an app where you can actually, you know, see, How far out they are? And I'm sure you can use a Sextant to if you really, really want it to. But some of these, some of these ships are, you know, 20, 30 something because they do a lot of the drills off the coast of San Diego. I think, fifth around 50 miles out, and some of these ships, I mean, you need you need you need to really good Optics, to go that far obviously to see that and you can still see them. but, If you're going.

44:39 You only seem like itty-bitty portions of the top and I want to reiterate, you cannot see the curve at Ground fucking level even if it's on the ocean like you're not going to be able to see that like there's no possible way and most likely probably from an probably even at 30,000 feet. I think I have seen it even before I even knew about this. The Flat Earth theory. Do you know? Well over a decade ago and had some pictures, but I have also been told That no it's just the window of the plane that makes it look like that. And I'm like God, you know, then it's you get you start to go down the rabbit hole of all the airlines are in on it too, and they make the Windows like that, to make it your perception different and I've had that argument with people, I don't believe that that's something that's that's happening but the whole you know, take a the Chicago skyline for example. What is it the Willis Tower?

45:35 I think it called it the Sears Tower in our episode. I'm In the past, I think it think Frankie had said it, it's have to go into Google Earth and do the measurements, but it's a certain amount of miles. But those building, I mean, buildings are like what 1,400 feet high. So no matter ever eat. If it's if it's 66 feet, every 10 miles, you gotta go a hell of it. You get if you got to go a hell of a distance before, you can't see those buildings and there's a lot of arguments that you know, you can see the buildings. Well, yes, you You can because it's their fucking huge. If you've ever been to Chicago or New York City, I mean, those buildings are massive and like David, why says, I could see New York from Connecticut, you know, shits 25 miles away. Yeah, right.

46:22 Yeah. You know, I saw, I saw smoke from 9/11 when I was a kid. Yeah, yeah, no shit, but I'm not good at math. So, if you're doing that, that, that equation, what is it? Let me pull it up, just so I can I so, yeah, yeah, yeah, you do that up. Let me because you kind of mention the seeing the curvature from Planes and, and all that kind of thing, right? And, you know, I just want to remind people that if you are one who trusts the experts in good for you, right? Then I would assume that cool. I would assume that you might enjoy talks from people like Neil deGrasse Tyson.

47:04 And, you know, this, The shows or maybe not even particularly, you know, you respect his knowledge and these things in his opinion is word, right? Well, he is said more than once. That you cannot see the curvature of the Earth from a plane. In fact, that dude, the red Felix Felix Baumgartner. Yeah, you couldn't see the curvature at his height, he was as you can't thousand feet. Yeah. So every time somebody says that to me with I've been all playing reader role-playing, but you see the curvature unlike about your dumb ass, you've never seen In the curvature. So you guys are probably in tricks on you. Yeah, I think it's because of how far a human being can actually see. It's all perception issue that's like stitching.

47:45 I like that Meme where it's like a basketball. And the guys taken the camera and zoomed right in, he's like, see even a basketball is flat. It's that's just you've gone so far in on a certain perspective, of course, it's going to be flat. Of course, it's going to be flat like yes, that that mine. There's no. Way to determine from anything that we can get in and go look from with our own eyeballs. If it's like just by looking at it for a curve like the we can't do that, there's nothing that you or I or anybody that we know can do to do that. Not now, maybe in 100 years Yeah. So I it's so hard because I just I just don't know where to start my head hurts right now and, and never hooks say Jeremy, it looks like your brains melting a little bit.

48:36 No, it's just, you know. It's it's tough because at the same time, like I was telling Jake, today it's going to be hard for me to stay like polite. No, man say say what you think, bro? I mean like, listen, here's the thing, bro, we have dramatically gonna throw insults. Not nobody here. Nobody in this in this call right now is so tied to being a flat earther that you would offend anybody. I'm not a foot ladder there, I know it does. No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not talking about you, Jeff Yeah. Okay, I'm comfortable with you but let's go. We don't care. I could care less. If I if I hurt your feelings I'll say you.

49:17 I'm sorry. Give you a nice, big hug and a fat kiss. Next time I see you or if I ever see it and, and I'll always be good. But the thing is is that, you know, we have, we have listeners, right? I don't know who 99% of them are, and who knows? Some of them may be flat earthers, and I don't want to give the perception. That I don't want to hear about what their beliefs are or are that I will not be open to having a flat earther on the show because absolutely. Like if there's a flutter through out there that want to come on the show and thinks that they have some, some good evidence and and whatnot and can have an adult conversation about it by all means, come on, you know, just know that my point of view is not going to be your point of view and that's okay. You know someone can come on and say that I'm a fucking idiot because my point of view and that's fine long as they don't do it through a fucking email.

50:12 I swear people that hide behind email, Dave, David Wise, if you're listening, don't fucking email me, Colin text him. No, come on the show and tell me, I'm a fucking idiot. Leave us a voicemail, I believe voicemail. But the thing is is that some of these, some of these points that are Right up by flat-earthers right and I haven't really heard one yet that really makes me stop and think I mean there's a couple that I'm like hmm maybe and then you know you think about it and it's simply dismissed like the one thing that I was really excited to talk about, right?

51:03 Was the flights are the aircraft flights in your episode. Are Dave. If you can just briefly tell the listeners, what the what the argument was here from a flat earthers point of view and then I'll kind of fill in the rest, okay? So before two things before. Yeah, before I go into that, from a lot of those experiments where you can see the Chicago skyline from across Lake. Michigan is generally about 50 miles. So if doing the math, You should lose about 335 feet of a building that's full most 1500 feet high so most definitely you are going to see 90% of the skyline of that City because most of those buildings are 800 plus feet high.

51:53 Well not just that but also if you you also got to think about I can't remember which which Theory theorem it is but there's one of the Einstein's theories of Relativity where he literally talks about gravity pockets and how light will bend around. Sound sources of gravity. And I understand, you know, Jeff can sit there and say, gravity is fake and whatnot and blah blah. But even in your episode, Dave, there was conversations about how the thickest water is always at the bottom, the, the easiest water to move around and is at the top of it, but then you even go into other layers, right? The air that we breathe at ground level is much easier on our body but as soon as we go higher and higher and higher, it becomes less dense and We can expand and basically explode from the outside in our, from the inside out.

52:44 Where if we go to the deepest parts of our ocean, will get crunched like a tin can, and that has to deal with gravity. And gravity is just a word. It's a word to describe an action, or describe a property that we don't understand, right? Even scientists will come out and say, we don't understand grab it, we know that something's there, right? Whether it be the electric universe First that some people believe in or something more simpler as in like the standard, quote, unquote definition of what gravity is it exists, right? So when you look over, the another thing too, is that I just don't believe that flat-earthers understand the concept of pie, right 3.14.

53:33 And if they ever took a math class, maybe they would A little bit more about how pie works. But basically that's the gist of, you know, if you're standing at Point a and you're looking at point B, 50 miles away, it's not an addition equation. It's a multiplication equation with decimals that are far beyond anybody, that even the smartest people have difficulties putting that together without certain that. Values, great. So, but to get back into I don't know, man. I feel like I'm just kind of talking in circles here and then we have a the the equation before I go onto the before we tap into what you wanted to say about the flights, the equation was something that I had seen.

54:30 It was the first time I'd ever heard somebody that wasn't a wasn't a flat earther kind of give an opposition. It was on the Michael starting podcast and apparently you know he's a pilot the other guy on the show on the show was an F-18 pilot and they both said that that equation is for calculating a parabola, not a sphere. And that he said so that is entirely which which does make sense because it goes into the flights. So the Earth, I mean, you see it? You've seen planes takeoff. I mean you guys have been around even smaller Jets than than commercial commercial airlines. They are, we are insignificantly small compared to the realm that were on or in or and the one of the things that I've always heard is that, you know, will if the Earth was a sphere, wouldn't the nose have to be pitched down or else it fly into space? And I think that that's The bottom of the aircraft is always relative to the center point that it's that it's at. So if the aircraft, you know, obviously, if you bank, right Bank left, it's going to turn.

55:45 But if you're going straight, you're always the way that I described it was, you had a ball and it's always going the same. It's not going to go straight off into space which what's that, relative motion, you know, but you guys would know more. You guys have been in Planes quite a bit much more, but the other argument is that you're just like commercial pilots that are like, yeah, it's fucking flat and you're like, way way. Like, like and then you got guys that are like, I don't want to talk about it. So there is there is an argument between both sides and let me thinking a plane will just shoot off. No, I don't think that's gonna happen, but let's let's knock this out of the way, right Pilots. Most of them are very smart people. Most Not all be out of a genetic know. You don't know.

56:39 Some of them have to be good-looking somewhat. Yeah, you don't have to be Tom Cruise, some of them are have to play volleyball, complete idiot's, okay? The amount of times, most of them do a lot of drugs just saying I wasn't on that out there for everybody. Um most of them don't can't they don't have Common Sense. Okay. They have book sense and instruments that tell them what to do constantly and I'm not just tell them what to do. Constantly the thing is that flying an aircraft is bar is Barney down so much that a Layman should be able to go out and do it right at some point.

57:24 You know, having a non commercialized aircraft in every household might be a thing and it probably wouldn't be that bad. It's I've met some dumb fucking Pilots man. Especially in the military. I mean I'm sure that the civilian sector is just as bad if not worse. The amount of people that literally don't understand that they have to flip a switch to turn on. The light is ridiculous or they won't work and 0ff position. It's like, huh? It's a know, the switches in 0ff.

58:05 What does that mean? How Times. I've been asked, that is fucking dump off. Dude, off. It means it's off. No, you laugh, you laugh, but it's serious. I've gotten maintenance action forms, maintenance request form saying that this this box wouldn't work and O FF mode. And I'm like, is this is off, that's why it wouldn't work. Okay, Joe makes it out of fly again, not not all, Pilots are fucking geniuses. Okay, that's just number one. Okay, they're people just like you and me are like I mean there's there's the average Joe out there, you know, believes in some form of fucking conspiracy and my goal was to get into the national forestry system so that I can you know, use it as a way to hunt Bigfoot, right? If somebody is a flat earther or is interested in that subtopic makes sense.

59:07 Be a fucking pilot, you know, because you're just going to expand upon your bone beliefs, but to talk about the system's a little bit inside of an aircraft. The first thing that you a lot of people need to understand is that, you know, a lot of shows will joke upon autopilot or use the term autopilot autopilot isn't something where you just flip the switch and the aircraft just goes, where you want it to go. It's not like that. Okay, your car can't even do Do that right so. Well, most cars can't do it. I guess there's a lot of cars that can do it now, but that's not how it works, right? So autopilot basically is a system that's actually called a fetus or afcs and there's three different kinds.

59:55 It depends on what aircraft you're dealing with. There's the digital and standard form Daffy gets and softest, digital or standard. Automatic flight control systems and basically think of it like this, okay, this is a system that takes pressure readings from all over the aircraft through, what's called Static ports, right? And through that they can put the correct amount or the correct hydraulic pressure into certain portions of our certain. What we call flight controls on the aircraft flight controls, are your major controls you Four directional flight, right?

1:00:38 You have your Rudders for your left and right. Have your elevators for your up and down, and you have your ailerons for barrel rolls, right side to side barrel rolls. And when the aircraft is feeling pressure, whether it's through Ram Air, which is the air that's Force, upon the nose of an aircraft in forward, flight or barometric pressure issues, such as going through clouds or thunderstorms or Turbulence and then wind speed. I mean, the amount of things that could be put onto an aircraft that the pilot doesn't have to deal with is numerous. And basically it the Afghans system takes that away from the pilot and automatically applies it to the aircraft itself, okay? So as it's using all these different kinds of instruments, whether their Gyros static ports, Altima Turfs, Barometers, all kinds of different things it's reading what's going on around the aircraft and it's putting the pressure into these flight controls to keep it stable at a specific altitude altitude.

1:01:52 Thank you. So a lot of aircraft are set to a specific altitude. And there's two different kinds of altitudes, there's one from sea level and one from Land level, right? So, a lot of a lot of Pilots will set it to To what's called Ms. L which is mean sea level. And then some are a lot of Pilots will actually use AGL above ground level as two different kinds of readings and above ground. Level level is just a number that's relevant to MSC the the the mean, sea level basically through satellites around the planet that are reading, sea level. They come up with a average sea level that's used as a number, in an equation in all aircraft around the world. And when they do that, that aircraft specifically stays at a specific height above sea level.

1:02:50 Okay, so if you're trying to get to 30,000 feet, you push in the MSC or the MSL, right? Which changes Minutely every day, right? Because of title lunar tides and whatnot. Sea levels in different areas of the world, but anyways, whatever the average of is, of all of the sea level readings in the world, that's number that you put in for that day, then, as you're flying your aircraft due to the altimeter measuring the altitude of your aircraft above sea. Level is making these my new changes every millisecond.

1:03:33 Every second, every 30 seconds, there's different breeds at different time, intervals, for different things. But basically, what you're feeling due to your perception inside of an aircraft is that it's going straight, but it's not it's actually taking around the curve. And, you know, Dave, I'm not I'm not talking to you specifically, I'm talking to people that Are listening, that might be flattered if there's that are using this as as a as a tool in their belt, it doesn't work that way, okay? And the reason why we have this deafness, which is, you know, kind of backs up a little bit here too, is that if you didn't have a FCS and you didn't have the proper hydraulic pressure of behind, your flight controls, when you took off your wings with rip right off, okay? If you don't have any anything holding your your your arm out, if you don't have, Your bones, your arm just flops down to the size, the same thing with fucking aircraft, okay? You got to have the you got to have the hydraulic pressure. I know that was long-winded but that is my explanation. As to why that's a very silly think talk about when you're flutter flutter.

1:04:41 What exactly was that about again? I swear, I got so long series, either the curvature and if the nose has to be pointed up constantly, see when it down. So you don't go flying off, I could have saved you. 20 minutes says a stupid argument, any flowering some says, it doesn't understand their own model. The here's a problem and the big, that one of the biggest problems you have biggest proponents in Flat Earth, like David Weiss believes that. And no, no, you absolutely, dude, 100% Dad. I'm with him in one of the biggest problems for any of these Niche conspiracy communities, right? Because that's the problem, right? When you talk about conspiracies, in particular, it's so fractured within that conduct Community, right?

1:05:24 Any one of those Niche communities inside of that, dude. The biggest Talking Heads of those that people have follow and listen to even they say some of the stupidest shit, right? So, that's the problem. The problem again, is that people aren't getting what is being said, and that's why I said at the beginning, I don't want to get stuck in the weeds because again, we'll do this for days and days and days. Talking about each individual little thing. That why is it flatter? Why's it not flat. The Point is the information that we have about what we live on is filtered through something that we you guys have already said, 10 times, right? Some filter that we don't trust in so many other ways and there's no way for us to verify this outside of going through that filtered information. That's all this comes down true, very true. This concludes part one of our Flat Earth conversation with Declassified.

1:06:19 Dave join us next week for part 2 and thank you for joining us down this path of the infinite Rabbit Hole. Bye.