183. US Government UFO Programs: 40's - 90's Part 2

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Imagine that this line
represents a time in the present

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1985 Future Past prior to this
point in.

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Time.
Somewhere in the past, the

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timeline skewed into this
tangent, creating an alternate

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1985 alternate to You need an
Einstein from reality for

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everyone else.
Welcome back to the Infinite

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Rabbit Hole podcast.
I'm your host Jeremy, and today

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we're going to dive right back
into our coverage on secret UFO

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projects from the 40s to the
90s.

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Last week we talked a little bit
about the Foo Fighters Ghost

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Rockets Project, Sign Grudge,
and Blue Book, as well as diving

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a bit into the Robertson panel
and the Condon Committee.

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Today we're going to expand into
quite a bit more.

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Some of them are a little less
known, such as Moon dust, Blue

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Fly St. and Blue Gemini, just to
name a few.

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But before we do that, let's go
ahead and bring in the rest of

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the host.
Let's start with Jeffrey today,

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Jeffrey, Jeffrey Fernandez, who
doesn't speak Spanish.

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What's up dude?
First of.

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All how dare you assume that I
don't speak Spanish?

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I have it under good authority
that you don't speak Spanish.

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Whatever bro, right?
Whatever bro.

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I know enough to know when
people are talking smack about

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me in Spanish do.
You though.

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Oh, I know.
Trust me, do you?

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Oh, I know.
Oh, I'll try doing that stupid

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thing now.
I can't.

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You got a brave light in there.
That's I don't know how to

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change it, Jake.
Jake got me that that little

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thing right there.
You got the hell yeah, dude.

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Yeah, he did.
What did I get you?

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The the infant rabbit hole Neon
the.

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Wave light, Yeah, that's why I'm
not going to do it, but it does.

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Well, since Jeff let everybody
know that he does not speak

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Spanish.
Jake, how are you doing?

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I'm doing well, my mom is in
town from California and Jeremy

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has me doing the show because he
hates me.

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That's right.
Yeah, yeah.

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Well, no, it's it's good.
I just, I just made some bria

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tacos.
I had to eat real quick and then

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run downstairs.
But yeah, I'm ready to continue

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with this.
It's it's been a good weekend.

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My birthday is actually
tomorrow.

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I'm turning 33 'cause I'm super
old.

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Oh yeah, happy birthday and.
Old Jeremy and his family is

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gonna be over at our house
having a BBQ.

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It's funny that I get to I get
to cook for my own birthday, but

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whatever are gonna hang out,
probably play some Jack Box TV.

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So it'll be.
It'll be fun.

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Yeah, that was fun last time.
It was.

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My wife's not helping me buy
that at some point.

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I don't know if anyone knows
what that is, but it's a game on

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your your console, PlayStation,
Xbox, whatever, but it's called

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Jack Box and your phone is a
controller.

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So you get online onto
jackbox.tv and they give you a

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room code and you can do things
like kind of like drawing

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pictures and hopefully people
guess what it is.

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If you're prompted with, you
know, draw The Color Purple or

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whatever it is, right?
And you're only given a red pen,

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right?
Red coloring.

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So yeah, it's, it's pretty cool.
It's, it's a fun game and we

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definitely had a lot of fun.
It was it was a good time.

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Right.
Well, oh, we got some.

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We got somebody new in here. 14
the Wins says this is your Mama.

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Yo, Mama.
Whose Mama is this?

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This is probably my Mama.
It's your mama's Mama.

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Probably.
Hey, Mama.

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Watching live from your living
room.

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If this is Jake's Mama, respond.
Ah, yes, it is.

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There they go if you need help.
All right.

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Whitney says Chupa Mikulo.
Hi, Jake.

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That says Jeff.
Yeah, Come on, Jeff.

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Yeah, Jeff, what's Chupa Mikulo?
Come on, don't.

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Look at, don't look at her.
Chupa Mikulo is.

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Eat my ass.
You dip that, you dip your chips

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in that.
Dip that it's funny, I just said

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that and mom is I could hear
cracking up upstairs the.

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Green one?
Yeah, it's the green one.

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Yeah, yeah, it's the green
sauce.

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All right, you guys, you guys
ready to roll?

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Yeah.
All right, Project Moon Dust,

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Blue Fly St. and Blue Gemini.
November of 1961, Colonel Betts

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of Air Force Intelligence
announced 2 new projects in

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response to the increase of the
UFO presence over American soil.

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Project Moon Dust and Project
Blue Fly Quote as a specialized

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aspect of its overall material
exploration program.

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Headquarters, United States Air
Force has established Project

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Moondust to locate, recover, and
deliver descended foreign space

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objects.
Operation Bluefly has been

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established to facilitate
expeditious delivery to FTD or

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the Air Force's Foreign
Technology Division at Wright

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Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio
of Moon dust or other items of

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great technical intelligence of
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These peacetime projects all
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employment of qualified field
intelligence personnel on a

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quick reaction basis to recover
or perform field exploration of

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unidentified flying objects.
As Howard Bloom states, in

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layman's terms, this was in all
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team.
The efforts of Moon Dust and

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Blue Fly died quickly to the
public eye but unofficially

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lasted for years.
It could be potentially still

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ongoing.
Project St. and Blue Gemini

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followed up soon after Moon Dust
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Project St. was established as a
quote UN quote satellite

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inspection program which used
the anti satellite weapon system

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titled USAF 7795.
This Agenda B satellite was for

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documentation only and would
approach unknown satellites

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within a range of 50 feet and
send pictures back to NORAD for

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identification.
Project Blue Gemini, on the

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other hand, was a project tasked
with shooting the unknowns out

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of orbit.
The idea was to use a modified

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NASA Gemini Space Shuttle, which
would be used for the disarming,

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capture, or destruction of
unknown objects in orbit.

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But on record, this program
never took off and died shortly

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after being announced.
Or was it?

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All right, guys, what do you
guys think about Project Moon

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Dust, Blue Fly St. and Blue
Gemini?

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Just to kind of summarize that
all for you guys.

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Moon Dust was the program tasked
with finding things that fell

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out of the sky, right?
And they didn't ever come out

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and strictly say that it was UF
OS.

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But you know, you can only
believe Blue Fly was the

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collection of said objects.
St. came in and then they were

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to identify objects in orbit. 1
of the objects that St.

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identified, Jeff was the Black
Knight and Blue Gemini was

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created to destroy whatever they
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OK, so first of all.
Whoa, he's got glasses.

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No, man.
Whoa.

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They're they're blue blockers.
Oh yeah, I bet.

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Because this is there's a lot
happening right here, as you can

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tell by the reflections.
That's stupid.

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That's so stupid.
Why?

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Why would you shoot
unidentified?

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Like OK, I understand shooting
some stuff that's unidentified

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out of the sky, right?
Stuff that's moving like in in a

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way that could be a missile or a
plane, right, Was just not

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identified as such yet.
But something that's doing like

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what these UFOs are doing, Why
would you start shooting those

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out of this guy?
Because clearly.

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They're you need to get a
sample, dude, you need to get

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something and and reverse
engineer, you need, you need

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something in your hands.
Yeah.

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Smart.
Go ahead.

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Or or they already knew what it
was and they felt like it was a

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defense problem.
You know what this reminds me

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of?
That scene in Indiana Jones

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where the dude pulls.
Out never seen it.

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You go ahead.
I I've seen it.

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I've seen all of them
unfortunately.

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And he's like.
And then he shoots him.

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Yeah.
Harrison Ford's just like, like,

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this is the same kind of thing,
right?

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You're just starting to shoot
advanced aircraft out of the sky

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'cause you're like, what is it?
Let's shoot one down, stupid.

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Also, we just went fishing the
other day at a park right across

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the water from NASA that's like
the Gemini park.

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So they have like big statues of
like the Gemini symbols that

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they have on their patches and
all the the astronauts

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handprints and stuff are all
like in the walkway leading up

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to like where we fish on the
ledge there.

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You should see if there's
anything about blue Gemini.

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I should blue.
You know what?

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Let me.
Oh, shoot, you know, when we did

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the the the parade in Elmwood,
you remember that those folks

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that were wearing like the blue
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They're right around the go
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It was like zor something.
Yeah, yeah.

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So they showed up over at the
Pickle Fest, Jeff, and they all

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over their trailer they're
pulling had Freemasonry

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symbolism.
Oh yeah, all over it, right?

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Yeah, so figured out what it was
and they're called the the

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Shriners and it was all
Freemasonry stuff.

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So that just totally reminded
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Sorry.
As far as my thoughts on this,

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it's interesting that there was
I guess not divulge to the

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public at the time, but some
kind of governmental projects to

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address this problem.
So that probably leads more to

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me of it being not a military
type thing, especially if

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they're trying to shoot the
things down.

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So that's interesting.
I not certain what to make of it

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though.
I think that it's interesting

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that they had this period.
It it, it lets you know that

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there was a lot of stuff going
on behind the scenes, right?

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We've talked about a lot of the
programs last week, which a lot

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of people didn't really know was
a thing.

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I mean, everyone knows Project
Blue Book, that's kind of a

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given, right?
But how many people heard of of

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Grudge or Sine that actually
don't look into this kind of

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stuff now?
I mean, to us, right?

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We've looked into this stuff
quite a bit.

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Grudge and Sine are common
terms, but a lot of people don't

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know it.
I mean, but out of the two of

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you, did you guys ever hear of
the Robertson panel?

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No, probably, probably not,
right?

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Or the Condon community.
No, I feel like the Robertson

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panel sounds familiar, but I
couldn't tell you what that is.

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That's probably one of the, the,
the, the, the more popular ones

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out of, out of those, you know,
where the Condon Committee was,

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was the Air Force's attempt to
try to get the whole UFO topic

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off their shoulders.
And they, they basically bought

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out, I believe it was at
Colorado University.

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They bought out, you know, a
bunch of people to go do this

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committee on UFOs where they
were still paying for it, but it

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wasn't under the, the United
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So it was off their shoulders.
Whenever they were getting

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questions about UFOs, they were
just pointing to the condom

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committee and said go talk to
them.

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Sounds like today with the with
Lockheed and Northrop Grumman

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and all those folks, right,
Congress gets questioned and

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they're like don't have the
answers, sorry.

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Yeah, basically same.
Same but different, right?

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Yep.
You guys ready to roll?

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Yep.
All right, let's get into this

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is where it gets fun.
Project Aquarius Stargate and

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scanning the US Space
Surveillance Center is AUS

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government facility half of a
mile below the ground inside of

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Cheyenne Mountain near Colorado
Spring, Colorado.

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In December of 1986, a program
simply known as Box 9, which is

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tasked with monitoring space
debris in a field directly over

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the United States, identified an
unknown object that was unlike

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any other that they were used to
tracking.

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Although seemingly small at the
time, it was this that would

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serve as the first event that
led to the US government

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establishing a top secret UFO
working group.

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The object was spotted and
tracked after it set off a

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sensor known as the fence which
is an act known as tripping the

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fence by the way, which is the
main tool described as the US

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Naval Space Surveillance System.
The fence stretches 1000 miles

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off of each coast and spans
approximately 3000 miles across

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the southern United States from
California to Georgia.

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By definition, the fence is a
man made energy field that

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reaches nearly 15,000 miles into
space by using transmitters that

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are strategically placed that
send out a continuous fan shaped

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wave of radio energy.
One such transmitter was a

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facility in the Texas town of
Lake Kickapoo.

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Once the transmitter from Lake
Kickapoo sense the the object,

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other facilities all across the
South begin to lock on to it as

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well.
Facilities such as the ones in

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Silver Lake, Mississippi and
Hawkesville, Georgia.

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These facilities use instruments
such as the fence at their

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disposal to calculate the object
speed and size.

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From there, the information was
relayed to the headquarters for

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the system in Delgren, Virginia,
where an IBM 1800 computer would

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decipher the object's exact
location, path, and anticipated

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ground track.
This information was then

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transmitted to Box 9 at the US
Space Surveillance Center in

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Cheyenne Mountain, Montana,
where they would typically plan

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out whether or not the object
was in orbit or falling to the

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Earth, which in the case of
falling on American soil, the

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TIP or tracking an impact
prediction team would take over.

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The object was moving from West
to east, but was moving rather

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erratically and also did not
match the description of any of

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the 7087 objects that were
already being tracked by Box 9

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at the time.
No object on earth by any

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country or their military had
the technology to move like this

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thing was.
And as one of the airmen

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tracking the object was stated
by Howard Bloom in his book Out

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There as saying, quote, it looks
like we have someone joyriding

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up there.
This LED Commander Sheila

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Mondrian to place a call to the
CNIC NORAD, or Commander Naval

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Installation Command of North
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Command to report the object,
and shortly after Commander

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Mondrian placed the call,
setting off a major chain of

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events leading to many top
secret and historical government

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projects and events involving
UFOs, remote viewing, and much

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more.
It simply disappeared and the

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entire network of the top
tracking technologies at the

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time failed to find it again.
Due to this unforeseen

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disappearance, the standard
response was for Box 9 to

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transmit a message from Cheyenne
Mountain, which set forward a

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request for response from the
entire of the space detection

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and tracking system spanning the
entire globe, and use

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technologies such as satellites,
radars, telescopes, receiving

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equipment and cameras to help
retract the object.

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Unfortunately, this object was
never found again and the alert

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was officially recalled after 18
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With word of the failure in the
craft that seemed to move in

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ways more advanced than any
human technologies available at

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the time made its way to the
Pentagon, the Joint Chiefs and

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President Ronald Reagan himself.
But it would be an Army Colonel

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from the Defense Intelligence
Agency's Directorate for

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Management and Operations who
would enlist the powers of the

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top secret government program
known as Project Aquarius.

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All right.
I know a lot to a lot to take in

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there, but what do you guys
think about that?

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I mean, I think that it's
important for people to know

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that they didn't.
I mean, they didn't make this

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because of UFOs.
They made this because of the

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threat of nuclear warfare.
That's why the facility is half

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a mile below the ground in the
Cheyenne Mountains, right?

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So, but it still looks for
objects coming into US airspace,

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whether that's a, a missile, a
nuclear warhead, fleet of

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planes, you know, whatever it
is, right?

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Or would it be a flock of
planes, right?

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It wouldn't be necessarily UFOs.
So they, I, I don't think they

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made this because of UFOs.
They made this because of the

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threat of nuclear war and what
not.

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And to have a, to know where the
missiles going or the

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projectile, where it's going and
where it's going to be, where

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it's going to be landing, you
know, how much time that sort of

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stuff.
But it is interesting that all

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the way back in the presidency
of Reagan, they're tracking

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things that they're saying
aren't from the United States or

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any of our technologies and
things like that because I mean

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this.
So this has been going on for

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quite some time.
That's very interesting versus

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what we're just getting finally,
you know, the US government to

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open up to today where it's just
like So what, 20 years ago,

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20-30 years ago, right?
Something like that.

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Yeah, neat.
It's neat.

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Hefe.
Yeah, I mean, it starting this

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type of program doesn't really
strike me as odd really,

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especially during the time.
But I think that there was we,

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we talked about this 1000 times,
right?

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I think that at the time we had
some of this technology, maybe

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not us, but you know, the Nazis
might have had some of this

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technology.
There might have been some

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breakaway groups that had this
technology on Earth.

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So not necessarily convinced
that this was like aliens or

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anything like that.
That's pretty much it so far.

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Well, this was enough to raise
the red flag to take people who

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do this for a living and have
them say we don't know what this

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is.
These are people that watch the

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skies over the United States
with this technology day in and

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day out.
And like I said, there was 7000

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something objects that they were
already tracking known to exist

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where this object wasn't moving
in a straight line.

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It was going back and forth
cutting at 90° angles.

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They even one of the airmen even
came out and said that it looked

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like someone who was joyriding
up there.

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Now the way that this thing was
moving, it could not physically

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do that.
Now one thing about aircraft,

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most aircraft, if you try to cut
a sharp angle while going top

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speed, you're going to cut your
tail right off your air.

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A lot of airframes aren't built
for that.

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I mean shit, I don't even think
fighters are are built for, you

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know, deep cuts like that.
They have to.

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Well, they.
Have the only thing that can cut

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a 90° angle is a helicopter, all
right, So either going forward

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and going down or going forward
and going up right.

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That's like a 90° angle.
Nothing can go left or right at

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a 90° angle that we have even
fighters like I mean they're

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going super, super fast, but
they have they'd have a my arc

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as they or arch as they, you
know, what was the take that

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turn?
Did you say the altitude?

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What was the altitude?
I don't remember.

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Hold on, I'll look at it.
Was it high enough for it to be

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like 0 gravity?
I don't have an altitude.

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I know they said they were
scanning what, 15,000 miles into

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the into space basically.
Yeah.

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So I'm pretty sure 15,000 miles
is 0 gravity for sure, right?

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Like right.
So if this object was in zero

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gravity, it's still possible
that even with conventional type

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stuff, something could move in
90° angles in space going pretty

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quick.
I don't know if you guys have

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ever seen videos of those, like,
pulsing jet engine machines that

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like hover and like, they're all
it's got, like jet engines on

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all sides of it, yeah.
I don't.

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Know if it's a jet engine or
what it is it's like a pulse

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rocket of some kind and it like
can do like quick like jolting

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maneuvers in all directions
sorry the mic you know and

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that's just like an.
But that, but that thing is

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slow, right?
That's that's super slow.

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Well.
This is what I'm, this is what

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I'm saying.
It's it that's in a lab

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somewhere and on a video on
YouTube.

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So that that technology is
probably like advanced to a

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point somewhere else in a bunker
and maybe in space and 0

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gravity, you could use something
like that to kind of like have

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an object making quick maneuvers
like in space, in zero gravity.

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It's not going to tear up the
frames.

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It's not going to tear apart the
people inside of that's not even

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to mention like I said before,
like I think that some people

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had advanced technologies at
this time already, but.

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I don't know, man, I don't know.
I don't think so, but I made

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that clear last episode.
Yeah, I know.

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Yeah, yeah.
You want to believe it says it

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behind you.
I do and it says it right here.

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I want to believe, but I don't.
Good to know.

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No, I clear that up.
Not that I don't believe in

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this.
I just don't believe in Jeff and

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what he's saying.
Yeah.

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Just to be clear, I believe in
not right there.

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Don't know.
Carry on.

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WAVY images.
Yeah, well, it's a little flying

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sauce, right?
Everybody knows what this is.

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Anybody who's seen X-Files seen
this, right?

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X-Files is arguably way more
popular than Star Wars ever was.

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Right.
You know you've never even seen

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Star Wars.
See.

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Not that popular.
You wouldn't even know.

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Star Wars you wouldn't.
Even know Star Wars marketing or

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stuff when if you walk past it
because you've never seen it,

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you'd just be like, I don't know
what this is, Harry Potter.

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Yeah, you have.
No.

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Idea how big Star Wars is.
Yeah, he's like Harry Potter,

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who I've never seen before
either.

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Right.
All right.

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You guys ready to move on?
Ready.

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All right, this is this is my
favorite part of this

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presentation.
Origins of Aquarius.

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In the Old Executive Office
Building across from the White

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House in Washington, DC, a
program was being born in the

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form of a group of people in a
lead lined conference room which

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was being referred to as the
Vault in the fall of 1985.

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In this room, a small team of
science and technology staff

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members was set to begin the
initial tests and operations,

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which revolves around a single
man in a Navy's officer uniform

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sitting in the middle of the
room in which they referred to

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simply as their viewer.
Author Howard Bloom describes

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the next evolution notion of
this initial event, where one of

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the staff members began to give
the introductory speech, which

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included information on the
project itself.

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Quote.
What we will demonstrate, the

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scientist promised, is the
existence of a new perceptual

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channel through which certain
individuals are able to perceive

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and describe remote data not
presented to any known sense.

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The channel that this scientist
was describing was the

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phenomenon now more commonly
referred to as remote viewing,

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and the purpose of this
particular test was to determine

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information unknown at the time
about specific latitudinal and

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longitudinal coordinates of a
specific target.

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After being given the specific
coordinates by another man in

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the room who was the viewer.
This man who stood at the center

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of the entire room's attention,
bowed his head as if in some

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sort of trance and began spewing
out information about what he

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was witnessing at these
coordinates while hysically

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being in the vault and without
any other tools or inputs from

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electronics or other sources.
Quote I see a house big, a

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mansion actually pillars.
After his words trailed off, he

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was given a piece of paper and a
pencil and asked to draw what he

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had seen.
The image that came into being

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from the series of shapes he
drew was then passed around the

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room of scientists and military
personnel.

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The man who sat in the center of
the room, who just drew a vision

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witnessed of a far off location,
stood up and handed a briefcase

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previously handcuffed to his
wrist to the scientist by his

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table.
The briefcase was unlocked in a

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black, black and white image was
revealed to the room and viewer

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for the first time.
This photo was of a white

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pillared house that perfectly
matched the one that was drawn

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by the naval commander standing
in front of the audience.

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The image was originally taken
by satellite and the commander

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added one more piece of critical
information before the initial

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trial wrapped up.
Quote It's the country dacha or

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home of Mikhail Gorbachek, the
then president of the Soviet

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Union.
The name of this mind blowing

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program was then officially
given the initial title of

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Project Scanate.
The second test of Project

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Scanate was to test its
applications in anti submarine

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warfare.
This test, which was also taking

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place in the vault, involved the
same viewer and another naval

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commander who stood in front of
the table with the remote

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viewer.
The standing commander reached

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into his briefcase and withdrew
a stack of six photographs, all

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of which highlighted a different
submarine that was a part of

457
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,280
either the United States or
Soviet Union's militaries, all

458
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,800
of which were armed with nuclear
warheads.

459
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,360
The commander placed each black
and white photo in a three by

460
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:33,040
two grid in front of the viewer
and asked the demand to state

461
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,840
the global locations of all six
Subs.

462
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,160
Using the phenomenon then known
as scanning.

463
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,800
The accuracy of the viewer's
vision would be confirmed by

464
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,440
charts from 24 hours previous
that were currently locked in

465
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,360
the standing commander's
briefcase.

466
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,840
One of the six pictures he
accurately pointed out the

467
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,400
locations of a sub off the coast
of Iceland, a Soviet Boomer off

468
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,480
the coast of South Carolina, and
another trolling the waters in

469
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,000
between the state of Maine and
Nova Scotia.

470
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,880
He was unable to find one, but
this was actually a good thing

471
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,240
as it was not built yet, but
rather was a conceptual drawing

472
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,640
of the submarine.
The real surprise of the day

473
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,400
came from when the man was
looking for the 5th sub.

474
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,440
The man, acting as the viewer,
snapped out of his trance and

475
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,320
began to look around the room
awkwardly.

476
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,080
He claimed to have found the
sub, but while he was looking,

477
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,360
he saw an object hovering
directly over its location in

478
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,440
the air.
When asked to draw what he saw,

479
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,760
the room all came to the same
conclusion.

480
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,600
The object the man seemed to
have drawn was a flying saucer.

481
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,000
Overall, after the initial six
months trials were concluded.

482
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,680
The program was considered a
success even though the combined

483
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,720
accuracy of all viewers tested
tallied at 46% accurate while

484
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,640
using the technique known as
scanning.

485
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,760
But it wasn't ever established
as an official, publicly known

486
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,400
technique employed by any branch
of the government.

487
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,920
But as we would later learn in
years to come, the Defense

488
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,280
Intelligence Agency created an
offshoot of Project Scanning

489
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,240
with the goals of finding enemy
submarines from remote locations

490
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,720
around the world, officially
named Project Aquarius.

491
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,440
All right, gentlemen.
Anything to talk about with

492
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,160
Project Aquarius?
Jeff does.

493
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,600
Yeah, you get into like the, I
think one of the is like the

494
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,800
Hunt for Red October.
So I specifically didn't get

495
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,880
into a ton of stuff when it
comes to Project Aquarius

496
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,800
because I've already started on
an entire episode dedicated to

497
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,240
Project Aquarius, so I didn't
say.

498
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,120
You're going to get into that
like in the future.

499
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,880
Yep, absolutely, 100%.
So I'll talk about it now

500
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,320
because fuck it.
If I'm not mistaken, tell me if

501
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,480
I'm wrong, since you've already
started the research on it,

502
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,200
right.
But isn't the hunt for Red

503
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,040
October them using, I don't know
if it was Project Aquarius.

504
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,320
Maybe it was, but it was one of
these remote viewing programs

505
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,240
where one of these guys
basically found this like new

506
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,400
Russian sub that that was being
built, right?

507
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,920
And he was like basically
telling them in his remote

508
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,880
viewing like, hey, like here's
this, here's where this new sub

509
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,760
is being built.
Here's like these dimensions of

510
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,320
it and the engineers and all
these people didn't believe him

511
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,200
or something at the time, I
guess like it didn't really go

512
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,320
anywhere.
And then he's I guess called out

513
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,960
of date.
If I'm not mistaken, he even

514
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,800
like named, Hey, look, if if we
go and look, fly your satellite

515
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,040
over this area, like on this
day.

516
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,360
And then when they did this,
they had built a canal from the

517
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,640
factory.
They were building the submarine

518
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,920
to the ocean and there was this
new submarine, this new class of

519
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,800
submarines sitting in the water
in the Bay.

520
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,240
And like they're like, oh, snap.
Like not only did he see the

521
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,520
submarine being built, but he
also knew that he saw the future

522
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,600
as well to some extent.
Never seen the movie but I'll

523
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,280
tell you what movie I oh TV show
or.

524
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,120
Comedy or whatever.
It's a movie, but it's Sean

525
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,800
Connery playing a Russian
commander, so, you know, no, I'm

526
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,760
actually Scottish accent.
I remember reading about this

527
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,320
like years ago and then recently
on the Sean Ryan podcast there

528
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,360
was a dude who I think was the
guy if I'm not mistaken.

529
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,000
That was a great fucking episode
do.

530
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,360
You know what I'm talking about,
right?

531
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:07,880
You.
Remember this?

532
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,920
Yeah, I'll, I'll get his name.
Yeah, so yeah, that's the same

533
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,720
same stuff.
And then, you know, just to kind

534
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,920
of say something about what was
it to him remote viewing the

535
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,600
summary or the UFO over the
submarine?

536
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,040
Yep.
Look, either it's the hey look,

537
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,360
they're interested in the nukes
and all that, right?

538
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,840
So the UFOs are there watching
the nukes, the aliens, right?

539
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,600
Or like I said that they I have
this kind of like working theory

540
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,720
I guess that the UFOs might
actually be the object that

541
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,080
manifests itself in 3D reality
when a remote viewing is

542
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,560
happening, right?
We have, yeah, we've talked

543
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,080
about that quite a bit.
I I think that's a very

544
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,640
interesting point of view.
I have a new point of view

545
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,360
because of some research that I
did today, but we'll talk about

546
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,640
that in another day.
Yeah, it's like, it's kind of

547
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,280
weird.
Like if you do the remote

548
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,000
viewing, you look somewhere or
look some time, right?

549
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,120
Like a weird phenomenon object,
like what we would only see is

550
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,160
like a UFO appears and that is
the viewer, right?

551
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,840
So maybe you can see that as
well.

552
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,680
If you're the viewer, maybe you
can see it from an outside

553
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,160
perspective.
Like you're looking at it

554
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,400
because it's weird, right?
Astral projection and remote

555
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,800
viewing, It's a weird thing.
It's not as simple as just like

556
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,840
there it is.
I'm not under the impression

557
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,720
that remote viewing is remote
viewing is false.

558
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,120
I think it's real, but it's
demonic and unnatural.

559
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,640
But that being said, to Jeff's
point, well then why do we see

560
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,480
UFOs over nonsense over just
things that don't matter?

561
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:45,160
Like their people say they've
seen UFOs over fields and stuff.

562
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,280
Like who's?
Could could be some dude that's

563
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,160
just peeping on his
ex-girlfriend, man.

564
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,320
Could be some weird shit.
You think?

565
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,320
Maybe.
Could could be.

566
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,800
I mean like you know, The thing
is to write time.

567
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,200
The whole thing is weird times,
not linear.

568
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:05,120
So if I remote view and look at
you there, or it may be I'm

569
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,760
looking at something at a
different time, right, that

570
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,960
could manifest the UFO in
another time as well.

571
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,400
Like it maybe that UFO manifests
always in that spot.

572
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,040
I don't know, it could be
something weird.

573
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,560
I don't think that's what they
are.

574
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,400
I think it's an interesting
idea.

575
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,560
I just don't think it's what
they are.

576
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,240
But.
I'm just wolfing off that right

577
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,160
now.
But I I do have a movie that

578
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,080
some people might be familiar
with and that is The Men Who

579
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,640
Stare at Goats.
That was Project Stargate I

580
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,080
believe it was, which was
literally the third in line.

581
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,840
So it went project scanning
Project Aquarius and after

582
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,160
Project Aquarius went down and
went Project Stargate, which

583
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,000
that movie The Men Who Stare at
Goats was based off of true

584
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,600
offense.
There was an actual branch

585
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,960
inside of the military, or not a
branch, but a division within

586
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,640
the military.
I can't remember exactly which

587
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,840
branch of the military it was,
but they specifically were

588
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:07,600
enlisted to work in this remote
viewing field.

589
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,000
And there there was a lot of
success that came from it.

590
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,280
That guy's name, by the way, was
Edwin C May.

591
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,240
That was a good episode.
That was by the Sean Ryan

592
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,240
podcast, by the way.
Yeah, you guys got me into that

593
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,840
heart, by the way.
I'm like really fucking into

594
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,320
that.
Great guest, man.

595
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,080
Yeah.
Phenomenal.

596
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Yeah, yeah.
I I love the story of of of scan

597
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,680
8 and Aquarius.
I can't remember if I talk about

598
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:44,520
it in this in this presentation
or if I strictly left it to just

599
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:52,680
the Elmwood presentation, but
Scanate or Aquarius was the

600
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,320
program that was spying on
Elmwood and that's when the CIA

601
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,200
sent those NASA engineers.
They sent them because somebody

602
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,160
in in Aquarius noticed
something, don't know what it

603
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,440
was which.
Jeff, have you done the FOIA

604
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,480
request yet?
No.

605
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,520
Absolutely not scum.
You have to ask in Spanish.

606
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,760
Yeah, dude, paperwork is like
the last thing I want to do,

607
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:20,280
man.
Let's be.

608
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,280
Real Tom bro, we're we're
counting on you.

609
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,080
You told the people at the
auditorium that you would do it.

610
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,960
Yeah, listen.
You didn't say we I you said you

611
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:36,920
said and I quote I Jeff Sanchez
Fernandez comma.

612
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,000
We'll.
Find out why they're here and

613
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,320
submit a FOIA request today.
And here we are.

614
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,000
What, a month later?
Gosh.

615
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,480
I'm pretty sure that was.
Whitney, you're not here.

616
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,280
You're a liar.
You're outside the whole time.

617
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,840
Do not even.
I was filming.

618
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,800
I'll kick you right in the face.
Not that I, not that I they're.

619
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,520
Going to Boo you next year.
Yeah, I'm totally.

620
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,040
Totally remember everything all
the time, but can you just tell

621
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,080
me what it is that I was
supposed to FOIA request because

622
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,159
I totally forgot about that.
Why NASA sent their engineers to

623
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:12,120
Elmwood?
Come on bro.

624
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,000
Oh.
Yeah, that's right.

625
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,639
Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

626
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,719
Yeah, yeah, he's like an
elephant, but with amnesia.

627
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,199
Even Crystal's laughing at you.
See, she knows.

628
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,600
I will look into it.
I will look into it.

629
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,639
So I'll.
Give you a date of tomorrow.

630
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,639
He's going to fail.
Yeah, he fails.

631
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:34,920
Everyone look at him.
He fails.

632
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,520
Him, look at him all failing and
stuff.

633
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,040
Yeah, yeah.
All right guys, ready to move on

634
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,120
Yeah.
Working group.

635
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,400
Within the 1st 14 months of its
establishment, Project Aquarius

636
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,480
and the scanners employed in
their efforts found a total of

637
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,600
17 unidentified flying objects
hovering over the water where

638
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,440
their true targets hit.
While many of the higher up

639
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,800
members of various government
entities saw this as proof that

640
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,360
the phenomenon of scanning was
bogus and a waste of time and

641
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,560
funds, an Army Colonel from the
Defense Intelligence Agency by

642
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,280
the name of Harold E Phillips,
who was previously standing as

643
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,160
the Associate Coordinator of
Space Reconnaissance Activities,

644
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:17,680
saw the presence of the strange
craft as an opportunity.

645
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,600
The then newly titled Assistant
to the Dias, representative to

646
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,480
the National Foreign
Intelligence Boards Committee on

647
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,040
Imagery, Requirements and
Exploration, or Comma Rex.

648
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,200
Colonel Phillips belief in the
presence of UFOs began when he

649
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,520
was a child in a cornfield in
his hometown in Iowa that he and

650
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,280
his father were walking along
one night when a quote domed

651
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,200
shaped ship as big as a
Greyhound bus and as bright as a

652
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,120
Broadway marquee flew past them.
From this moment on, he believed

653
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,080
in something more to the
sightings that were reported in

654
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,000
the thousands of every year.
As one of the highest ranking

655
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,920
and powerful job titles in the
entirety of the US, Phillips was

656
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,920
directly responsible for
missions involving US spy

657
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,760
satellites as the most
intriguing officer involved in

658
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,560
programs parallel to Project
Aquarius.

659
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,840
When Phillips received the
report from Cheyenne Mountain of

660
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,000
an unknown object in the skies
over the US, he became upset at

661
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,120
the lack of interest the
military seemed to have when an

662
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,200
unknown and possibly alien craft
was tracked through US airspace.

663
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,680
So immediately requested that
Project Aquarius focused their

664
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,440
attention temporarily to a new
target and his request was

665
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,240
approved. 3 separate viewers and
three separate chambers were

666
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,040
individually given the
coordinates of where the object

667
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,480
originally tripped the fence and
given the instruction to scan

668
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,400
the specific area for anything
out of the normal in the last 48

669
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,280
hours.
When the drawings were

670
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,640
eventually faxed to the
Colonel's office and the

671
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,280
Pentagon, all three showed
slightly different versions of a

672
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,040
rounded, wingless craft.
Shortly after February of 1987,

673
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,040
Phillips would invite a group of
17 top ranked military and

674
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,520
government agency officials to a
meeting in the most secure

675
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,920
conference room in the Pentagon,
known as the Tank Room, to

676
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,040
announce the convening of a new
working group that was vaguely

677
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,320
described to the attendees prior
to attending as something

678
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,520
involving response to the
increase of unknown aerial

679
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,240
phenomena in the skies over the
United States.

680
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,200
Once the secret meeting of
highly important people began,

681
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,320
the lights turned off and a
projector screen lowered to

682
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,840
allow Colonel Phillips to
explain the purpose of their

683
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,080
involvement in this new team.
Over the next 45 minutes, the

684
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,080
team was briefed on the events
involving the fence, Cheyenne

685
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,560
Mountain and the establishment
of Project Aquarius, and when it

686
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,640
was all over, Colonel Harold E
Phillips welcomed them all to

687
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,120
the official establishment of
what was officially being called

688
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,760
the Unidentified Flying Object
Working Group.

689
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,440
According to the two inside men
that author Howard Bloom had

690
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,240
contact with, the two official
purposes of the newly formed

691
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,640
Unidentified Flying Object
Working Group as stated in his

692
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,120
book Out There was quote To
review and evaluate the

693
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,560
information obtained by all
previous official inquiries,

694
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,240
both public and clandestine,
into the UFO phenomenon 2.

695
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:20,000
To review and evaluate all
attempts by the scientific

696
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,840
community to search for
extraterrestrial life 3.

697
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,040
To review and evaluate selected
sightings and other evidence of

698
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,560
UFOs as alleged private
individuals 4 At all times keep

699
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,960
the existence of the
Unidentified Flying Object

700
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,960
Working Group's existence a
secret from both government

701
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,560
agencies and the public and
five, its institutional life was

702
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,640
to be open-ended as long or as
short as was necessary to

703
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,720
determine positively the
existence of extraterrestrial

704
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,120
life.
All right, guys, UFO working

705
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,040
Group.
What do you think?

706
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,480
They don't don't all.
Speak.

707
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,680
Sorry, I was just looking at the
the chat.

708
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:04,680
Let's see bread pham 332, said
Atrazine frogs.

709
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,840
Jeff, what's that mean?
Turning the frogs.

710
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,000
Turning the freaking frogs gay,
man.

711
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,600
Oh, don't get banned from
Twitch.

712
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,760
It is man.
It is.

713
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,880
It is.
It is.

714
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,080
True, and another coin in the
Alex Jones was Right jar.

715
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,000
Yep, that's that's come out as a
as factual.

716
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,200
News.
As fake space fake and gay.

717
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,200
Shane's in here.
I fly jetpacks bringing human

718
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,640
all.
Right.

719
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:44,520
So the UFO working Group was
created in response to Project

720
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:50,080
Aquarius spotting that object,
tripping the fence and being

721
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:55,680
tracked by Cheyenne Mountain.
And what Project Aquarius was

722
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,880
watching or what they saw was
your typical flying saucer.

723
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,000
So do you buy it?
Yeah, man.

724
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,080
I mean, I don't think the
question, I don't think any of

725
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,960
us really question are UFOs or
flying saucers or or whatever

726
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,800
like I think it's a phenomenon
happening.

727
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,320
I think the more the more the
question is do you buy that the

728
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,240
government was using project
Aquarius?

729
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,400
Sorry I forgot which one we were
talking about for a minute.

730
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:26,640
To spot an aircraft and then
created an entire program or

731
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,200
working group.
To literally look at all the

732
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,760
backfill of every document ever
presented to the government and

733
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,800
to the private sector.
Yeah, 1%.

734
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,000
I mean, because, you know, it's
always been my opinion that the,

735
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,880
it's not the government that is
doing like the real sketchy

736
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,360
string pulling, right?
It's the private sector,

737
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,080
somebody some breakaway
situation from the private

738
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,080
sector, right?
Maybe some government officials

739
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,200
might, might know about it here
and there, whatever.

740
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,760
But so I think when the
government started realizing

741
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,040
like there is something that
we're not aware of that's kind

742
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,320
of out of our control, like
let's figure out what's going

743
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,080
on.
Of course they they made

744
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,880
programs to figure out what's
going on because it wasn't them.

745
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,560
It was, it was Raytheon and
Lockheed Martin's, you know,

746
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:23,280
backroom stuff.
So let's Wollens 1190 made a

747
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,680
comment saying I think it's the
government flying their new

748
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,000
planes.
Yeah, personally, I don't think

749
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,120
so.
I just don't.

750
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,160
I think that like I said in a
couple previous episodes, I

751
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,400
don't think that the government
nor the contractors would be

752
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,720
able to complete completely keep
it all hush hush.

753
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,480
I just don't think it can
happen.

754
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,000
And your penalty of death.
Somebody will leak that shit

755
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,240
out.
Yeah, yeah, people leak shit out

756
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,720
all the time.
Well, they did people, people

757
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,080
always leak shit out.
We just get labeled crazy.

758
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,960
You get ostracized.
You know, some people get killed

759
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,920
and and you know, it's just
systematic and eventually it's

760
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,080
just normal for people to look
at it as crazy in society.

761
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,720
But when you're doing my labs,
right, because we, we don't even

762
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:10,120
talk about my labs.
We never really talk about my

763
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,480
labs, the military abductions,
right?

764
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,280
And.
And just talk about my labs in

765
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,600
an episode.
Well, we, yeah, we briefly touch

766
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,280
on it.
Like we always mention it as

767
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,800
like a thing like I'm doing now,
right.

768
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,440
But we should do like a whole
episode on it because I even

769
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,840
think that the term my lab is
just the wrong term.

770
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,720
Because again, it's not the
military.

771
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:31,720
It's not a military abduction.
It's like.

772
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,000
Gov Labs.
Gov Labs.

773
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,040
No, it wouldn't even be the
government.

774
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:44,440
It'd be con labs, contractor,
con ABS contractor abductions,

775
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,120
right?
So yeah, it's not the military.

776
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,600
I want to talk about what I'd
researched today so bad, but I'm

777
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,840
going to hold it.
If they show up at your house or

778
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,640
whatever, you know you're
sleeping in the middle of the

779
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,160
night and they show up in a
freaking UFO with an actual

780
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,200
alien.
And if they created in a lab a

781
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,120
chimera of some kind.
Yeah, you're going to shit

782
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:04,520
yourself.
You're.

783
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,040
Going to shit yourself,
especially if it has some of

784
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,320
these astral projection and
remote viewing capabilities that

785
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,840
we've talked about in gateway
process.

786
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,280
Because if you notice this
probe, the other program was

787
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,720
started the year after the
Gateway process document was

788
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,400
published.
So they've already learned for

789
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,560
the probably decade before
Gateway process how to do all

790
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,440
this shit in some backroom
somewhere.

791
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,320
Then they publish this thing to
the to the military and they're

792
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,640
like, hey here, here's the deal
with it.

793
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,400
And the next year they come out
with this program like let's use

794
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,360
remote viewing to figure out
what are these craft that we

795
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,040
have now no idea what they are.
Jeff Yeah.

796
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,960
Scenario.
You're laying in bed, you wake

797
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,360
up and there's a Gray alien
hovering over you.

798
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,320
What are you going to do?
Shit my pants.

799
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,360
I'm going to clench my butt
cheeks because.

800
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,400
Shit my pants.
They're known to put things up

801
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,120
there.
I'm going to get the Glock I

802
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,520
was.
Going to say then I'm

803
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,240
immediately going to reach for
whatever.

804
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,000
Get the Glock and get it right
in its big dumb face, big

805
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,680
bulbous eyes and it's stupid
mouth with no nose.

806
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,240
Blow its brains out all over the
ceiling and then we'll see what

807
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:11,760
it's made of.
Is it mechanical or or bio?

808
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,560
I don't know.
So Wollen said that she would

809
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,320
make them pancakes.
But did you know that there is a

810
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:27,520
famous Wisconsin story or
incident where a farmer was

811
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,680
given pancakes by alien beings
that came out of a UFO we should

812
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,640
cover?
That one day, yeah, we should

813
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,000
cover that one day.
And he gave them his famous

814
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Wisconsin maid or family
business syrup, and they didn't

815
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,360
probe him.
That's the only reason the

816
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,240
aliens haven't blown the planet
up.

817
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:53,680
They have this treasure.
No, no, the the aliens gave him

818
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,360
pancakes.
Yeah, no, but he gave him the

819
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,080
syrup so they haven't blown up
the planet.

820
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,080
Plus we have the Titus for butt
holes in all of the universe and

821
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,920
everyone knows that.
Yeah, aliens are are flying

822
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,440
around flying saucers eating
pancakes without syrup.

823
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,400
What if they're just here for
the syrup?

824
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,200
They might find out that the
aliens came across the Galaxy.

825
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,400
Well then, by the grace of God,
we have Maple trees on our

826
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,960
planet.
I don't think they're from

827
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,320
another planet.
That's just me.

828
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,800
I need it from here.
Wherever they're coming.

829
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,480
I think they like pancakes and
syrup like everyone else.

830
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,600
They just don't have syrup on
their planet, so they got to

831
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,560
come get ours.
Well.

832
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,920
Best place to get syrup all?
Right.

833
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,840
You guys ready to move on?
Pigs clog you up.

834
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,520
What do you got?
Yeah, Cup.

835
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,440
I haven't really said anything
in this section.

836
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:43,040
Oh, we'll say things.
You have a.

837
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Working group is interesting.
It's in, but I don't know if I

838
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,680
that can't do bus stuff when
you're clogged up.

839
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:52,960
Oh my gosh, that's from.
I think that's from.

840
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,200
Yeah, that's from my wife.
The chat is fun this time.

841
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,600
This is good.
This is fun.

842
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,720
The thing that you, you prompted
me or prompted us in the

843
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,720
beginning of this conversation
was that do we believe that the

844
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:14,920
government's put together a
group to look at Uaps or UFOs

845
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:20,080
and all of the evidence of them?
And I forgot how you you put it.

846
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,040
And I would say no.
It sounds like a bunch of

847
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,680
baloney to me.
Really.

848
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,880
They just don't seem interested.
I think they're extremely

849
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,680
interested.
I think that the US government

850
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,920
has no fucking clue what what
any of this is.

851
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,480
I really do.
I think that they do not have a

852
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,840
single fucking clue as to.
What's?

853
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,960
Saying, but that's the problem.
Is that why then in the

854
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,440
congressional hearings, are they
saying things like, we don't

855
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,040
know for sure, but more will be
explained in the closed hearing?

856
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,080
Like, obviously they do.
They know something they're just

857
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,560
not willing to say because they
want China to know that they

858
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,000
have something capable of
breaking the sound barrier

859
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,680
without making any noise, nuking
something, and being back home

860
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,360
in 10 seconds.
I think the same thing.

861
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,440
I I think that you're both
right.

862
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,960
I think that the government is
now getting dripped some of the

863
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,400
technology.
Yes.

864
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,840
From this breakaway, the shadow.
Let's go just call it the shadow

865
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,320
government.
It's the easiest term for me in

866
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,480
my brain.
OK, No.

867
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,720
You don't like that term.
No.

868
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,480
Whatever.
I mean, the shadow government is

869
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,840
a thing, yes, but that's not
what's what's.

870
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,520
Controlling this?
You don't think that's what's

871
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:27,280
controlling those?
Nope.

872
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,480
OK, fair enough.
In my opinion, that's what's

873
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,080
controlling them.
Well, your opinion sucks.

874
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,200
I'm going to say the shadow
government is dripping their

875
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,120
technology to the governments of
the world now.

876
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,360
And I think back in the 80s,
they were trying to, the

877
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,480
government was just getting
their hands on remote viewing,

878
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,560
right?
And they were like, let's try to

879
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,920
use this to figure out what that
is.

880
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,960
And maybe it worked, right?
Maybe, or somewhere from between

881
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,680
then and now, it got to a point
to where the governments are now

882
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,640
getting their little bits of
shit that they can hit China

883
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,520
with or whatever they want.
But.

884
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,280
They don't have all of it.
I, I agree that we're starting

885
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,400
to figure it out.
I, I think they, they know a

886
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,920
little bit more than what they
lead on.

887
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,280
Like they have an idea.
But when you're talking about

888
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,080
like what we talked about in
Part 1, right?

889
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,400
We started off with the Foo
Fighters in World War 2.

890
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,320
They had no fucking clue.
Then then we talked about grudge

891
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,400
sign and Blue Book.
And I think even during Blue

892
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,680
Book they didn't have a fucking
clue as to what was going on.

893
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:33,480
I don't think it was until, I
want to say ten years ago that

894
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,160
we didn't really know what was
going on.

895
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,800
I think they have a much better
idea now, but I I don't.

896
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,440
I don't think they know.
I don't.

897
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,400
I really, really don't know.
I think I don't, but I don't

898
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,880
think they know.
You think you know?

899
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,320
I think I know.
But you don't think that the

900
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,720
governments of the world know?
Correct.

901
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:54,920
I'm smarter than all of them.
You.

902
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,760
Don't think any of the astral
projectors or.

903
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,960
Oh no, they probably know they.
Probably mote viewers or human

904
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,720
clone genetic projects stuck in
a bunker for their whole lives

905
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:09,560
just focused on figuring out
what it is.

906
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,240
You don't think that any of them
know?

907
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,000
No, no, no, no.
I, I think there's people,

908
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,080
there's people that know,
there's people that know, but I

909
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,880
don't think the government it,
I, I think they're starting to

910
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,640
know.
Oh well I mean if you want to

911
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,040
talk about the government as a
whole like Congress.

912
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,640
No listen if you listen to the
last episode of shadow man Bon

913
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:27,840
cast you would know I agree with
you.

914
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,280
They can't even take a
screenshot dude.

915
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,680
I've watched them in in real
time, not know how to take a

916
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,200
screenshot.
They don't even know what the

917
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,040
hell a bump stock is in
Congress.

918
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,280
Like they're they're worthless.
Right on.

919
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,760
What like.
They think a pistol grip makes a

920
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,520
gun automatic, like they're
worthless, but but in the

921
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,480
government like the big
government.

922
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,520
To to go back to the shadow
government, though, I think that

923
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,240
the shadow government is more
about power than anything.

924
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,840
And I don't think that they
really have a hold on technology

925
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,840
like you think they do.
I definitely think that they

926
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,920
have first dibs on some of the
best stuff that comes out.

927
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,320
You know, I definitely agree
there.

928
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,920
But I don't think they're
generations ahead of us.

929
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,320
Yeah, I don't.
I don't see that as the thing.

930
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:21,960
I will say though that the my my
true opinions on what UFOs are

931
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,440
will come out on the Halloween
special.

932
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,240
Really bro?
Yep, yeah, we'll be recording it

933
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,040
probably within a month, but
yeah.

934
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,760
My opinions on UFOs will change
47 times between SO.

935
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,560
Yeah, you're right.
Mine will say exactly the same

936
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,120
because I may be ugly but I'm
unflappable.

937
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,400
Alright, you guys ready to move
on?

938
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,880
Yeah, Jeff, you know, you know I
love you, right?

939
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,200
Yeah.
Very good Majestic 12A document

940
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:02,360
stamped Top Secret in eyes only
dated November 18th, 1952 titled

941
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,680
Briefing document Operation
Majestic 12 prepared for

942
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,600
president-elect Dwight D
Eisenhower began circulating

943
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,840
among UFO researchers sometime
between 1985 and 1987.

944
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,080
This Majestic 12 that is
referred to in this document is

945
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,280
in reference to the group of
high-ranking military officials

946
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,720
and scientists whose sole
purpose was to investigate UFO

947
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:27,720
sightings and crashes.
With this document being the

948
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:31,000
tool written to convince
President-elect Eisenhower to

949
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,840
continue the accuracy of
President Harry S Truman's non

950
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,280
existent program that was
established immediately after

951
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,720
the UFO crash in Roswell, NM in
1947.

952
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,640
In this document there were 12
members listed as active members

953
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,800
at the time.
Admiral Roscoe Hillencoder.

954
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,800
Dr. Vannevar Bush.
Doctor James Forstel.

955
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,840
General Nathan Twinning.
General Hoyt Vandenberg.

956
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,800
Doctor Detlev Bronk, Doctor
Jerome Hunsaker, Mr. Sydney

957
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,960
Sowers, Mr. Gordon Gray, Doctor
Donald Manzel, General Robert

958
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,560
Montague, Doctor Lloyd Berkner
and a 13th member in replacement

959
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,200
of Doctor Forstal after his
death in 1949.

960
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:19,120
A General Walter B Smith, a
famous man within UFO circles by

961
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,600
the name of William Moore, was
the first to circulate this now

962
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,880
famous document, but there have
always been those that are weary

963
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,560
of its authenticity.
It seems that throughout the

964
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,240
history of this document being
released, various aspects of the

965
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:36,360
many pages have been thoroughly
scrutinized, such as the

966
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,280
placement of the quote, UN
quote, top secret and eyes only

967
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,560
stamps.
This single spacing, the type of

968
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:46,240
paper, the headers, fonts, and
even the most important, the

969
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:50,120
signature of President Harry S
Truman, which deniers believe

970
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,480
was a signature cut out of
another document of his and

971
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,320
photocopied onto the MJ 12
documents due to it looking

972
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,440
exactly alike down to a slight
smudge near the signature.

973
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,520
When 2 agents of the FBI showed
up to the Pentagon in 1988 to

974
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,920
ask for assistance from the DIA,
they were there to ask for

975
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,600
assistance in their
investigation.

976
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:13,160
Have a handful of questions.
One, how did someone steal these

977
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,920
top secret documents?
Two, who stole them?

978
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,080
Three, where did they steal them
from?

979
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:22,000
And four, were they even real?
The FBI was not the official

980
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,040
holder of the documents, but
when such documents do go

981
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,240
missing, the FBI is the agency
responsible for investigating

982
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,080
the occurrence.
But even the FBI at the time

983
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,280
didn't know if the Majestic 12
documents that were being

984
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,840
circulated were even real, as
there was no official record of

985
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,160
the group ever existing.
All the agents knew was that

986
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,480
orders had come down and they
were to investigate.

987
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,720
No more came into possession of
these incredible, if real

988
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:51,880
documents by way of a payment of
service to the secretive man

989
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,320
known to him only as the Falcon.
For his reconnaissance of a man

990
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,360
by the name of Paul Benowitz and
his work on a project referred

991
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,240
to as Project Beta, where he was
trying to prove the existence of

992
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,520
alien contact and proof of the
United States Government's

993
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,920
treaty with the entities.
The document came to Moore in

994
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,840
the form of a role of
undeveloped film, which was

995
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,880
originally received by his
associate producer Jamie

996
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,200
Chandera, who received it after
it was dropped through his mail

997
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,000
slot by an unknown person.
This mysterious Falcon character

998
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,720
has since been considered to be
a high-ranking official from one

999
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:31,760
of the many different government
secret organization known as The

1000
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,520
Aviary.
Majestic 12 stands as one of the

1001
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,880
only possible real government
leaks of a completely secretive

1002
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,960
group that was never meant to
break the seal of publicity.

1003
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,280
It also stands as the only group
in the presentation that may not

1004
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,960
actually have existed.
But plenty of evidence does

1005
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,120
point to this organization being
legitimate.

1006
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,920
So people who are listening,
just so you know, I kept the

1007
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,560
Majestic 12 section brief
because I have already begun

1008
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,360
doing an entire episode on
Majestic 12.

1009
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:04,840
Jake, you ever heard of Majestic
12?

1010
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,720
No, but it should be a movie
like The Hateful 8.

1011
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,160
Fair.
Whatever, Jeff, you know,

1012
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,240
Majestic 12.
Come on.

1013
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,040
Yeah, and there's, there's like
there are movies.

1014
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,560
In fact, there's like a
documentary on Netflix.

1015
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,520
I don't know if it still is, but
there was a documentary on

1016
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:25,920
Netflix.
It wasn't very good.

1017
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,960
It's alright.
But yeah, Majestic 12, to be

1018
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,440
honest with you, I kind of tuned
out while while you're doing

1019
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,560
that because I posted a couple
of things in the chat and stuff

1020
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,880
about Twitch, but I'm stoked
about that episode.

1021
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,680
I'll be into that one.
Oh yeah, Majestic 12 is going to

1022
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,600
be solid.
I mean, there's a lot of people

1023
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,680
that blame the whole Men in
Black phenomenon on Majestic 12.

1024
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:52,720
Basically the the the the real
gist of the concept of Majestic

1025
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:56,960
12 was that they were a secret
government agency meant to keep

1026
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:02,480
the peace and do some research
on UFOs and their interaction

1027
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,480
with humans.
So that would cover things like

1028
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,240
alien abductions, just sightings
in general.

1029
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,760
So is Hollywood just a, a, a
subset of the government that's

1030
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,680
just screwing with people trying
to get them into thinking that

1031
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,320
all these programs are just
like, are just fun and just

1032
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,800
like, they're just movies and
they're just stories, right?

1033
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,360
We got Men in Black.
We've got was it the the 4th

1034
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,000
Kind and all those other movies
talking about Alien like

1035
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,480
sightings, abductions and
contact and things like that.

1036
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,440
It's just it turns out Hollywood
is just a sub sect of the US

1037
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,480
government where they're just
trying to show everybody like,

1038
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,720
hey man, it's nothing.
There's nothing going on, man.

1039
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:45,040
It's stare at goats.
Come on bro.

1040
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:54,240
There's a long history of the
CIA in like, you know, actors

1041
00:56:54,240 --> 00:57:00,520
and musicians and a lot of back
when like MK Ultra and and stuff

1042
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,000
was happening, a lot of the
musicians and actors were

1043
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,440
getting involved with people
that were, you know, one step

1044
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,400
removed of these programs and so
on and so forth.

1045
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,160
Right?
Yeah, there's a whole thing

1046
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,320
about that.
But of course there's part of it

1047
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,440
is like the Mockingbird media,
right?

1048
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,200
That's your like fake news, your
mainstream media where the CIA

1049
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,000
is like handing out scripts.
Like here's what the news needs

1050
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,160
to portray.
Here's the main narrative that

1051
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,280
we need to stick to.
Of course we can biker amongst

1052
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,560
each other about this and this
to cause division, but here's

1053
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,480
like the main narratives we
stick to.

1054
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,240
We can cover.
Pointed out that one time where

1055
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,120
it had all the main media
personalities all reading the

1056
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,840
exact same line or the exact
same sentence.

1057
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:50,280
And then you have also the CIA
involved in pop culture with

1058
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:57,080
things like introducing like
gangster rap right into into

1059
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,840
communities.
And you know, all just just a

1060
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,720
long history of this man.
Like of course, the government

1061
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,760
or the pop culture is just the
arm of the government.

1062
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,600
It's a propaganda arm of the
government just like any other

1063
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,240
country.
If you think about it, when we

1064
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,120
look at North Korea, right, we
all see like they're everything

1065
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,400
is very propagandized to be very
pro Kim Jong Un, right?

1066
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,600
And like this whole Korean
government thing.

1067
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,280
And it's like an extreme
version, but we we live in the

1068
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,360
same type of thing here.
Even though we think we're free.

1069
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,840
It's just a very like, I don't
know how to explain it's it's

1070
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,560
very blend.
It's blended very well into the

1071
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,520
culture to so you don't really
notice it so much, but it's the

1072
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:36,880
same thing is still happening
here.

1073
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,800
We need to do a we need to do an
episode on Project Mockingbird.

1074
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,520
Yeah, a lot of people think
that's bullshit, but that's been

1075
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:50,440
proven to be real. 100% real.
The CIA legitimately had an

1076
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,520
entire program created to
control the narrative with media

1077
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,320
outlets.
You know, it's called Project

1078
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,080
Mockingbird.
Oh yeah, absolutely 100%.

1079
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,080
Project Mockingbird's not dead.
I believe it.

1080
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:05,000
There's there's compilations of
news anchors saying the exact

1081
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,280
same thing and even trying to
use the like those say different

1082
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,280
words but use the same phrases
like hooks.

1083
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,040
And there's like long
compilations.

1084
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,320
We've all seen them, and the
most.

1085
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,200
Different words, but they're all
synonyms, yeah.

1086
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,240
Yeah, the the most recent one I
could think of is at the DNC.

1087
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,920
It's electric, right, The
electricity, right.

1088
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,920
All of the reporting was like,
yeah, it's electric in here,

1089
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,200
right?
It's electric.

1090
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,680
It's electric.
And the more that I heard it, I

1091
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,480
saw like the this compilation of
them saying it's electric.

1092
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,160
And then I remember not to get
into, I know we're on the we're

1093
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,160
not on the other show here.
But you know, everybody kind of

1094
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:43,440
knows how she is now the
Democratic nominee, right?

1095
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,080
And what that process looked
like going into it.

1096
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:47,840
And some people are cool with
it, some people aren't.

1097
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:48,840
That's up to you.
Whatever.

1098
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:55,880
But electric, electric, it was a
trick election, right?

1099
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,280
Some people are going to get on
to that.

1100
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,320
The conspiracy theorists are
going to jump on to this.

1101
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,400
Just mark my words.
I promise you, I'm not saying

1102
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:03,480
this.
I'm just saying this is what's

1103
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,920
going to come down the pipeline.
So just be ready for the.

1104
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,560
The word game there.
Yeah, it's going to be some

1105
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,320
queuing on shit.
I think the, the one that I

1106
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,680
haven't watched anything from
the DNC yet, I don't care.

1107
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:20,840
But the one where saying that JD
Vance and Trump are weird and

1108
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:26,640
every single Democratic news
media which is on, on that it's

1109
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,640
they're weird, they're weird,
they're weird, they're weird,

1110
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,640
they're weird.
And I don't know, you know, it

1111
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,680
just, it's hard to say because
I'm not there.

1112
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:40,760
But when I think a specific
party controls the funding for

1113
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,920
another government or group,
you'll see that you'll see that

1114
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,040
narrative being pushed or
whatever it is.

1115
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,040
I don't, I don't think that the
right or the left that they're

1116
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,960
squeaky clean of corruption and
all that sort of stuff.

1117
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,560
I think it's more along the
lines of it's all in the same

1118
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,120
boat as far as corruption goes.
But you'll see those same

1119
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,840
narratives going on and on and
on and on and on.

1120
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,840
And it's just like, so yeah, I I
definitely think that they're

1121
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,360
still doing that today where
the, the media controlling and

1122
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:17,200
all that sort of stuff well and
said, so we can be unburdened by

1123
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,640
what has passed and passed
what's been unburdened.

1124
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:23,720
Unburdened.
What has been?

1125
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:30,160
Yeah, Anybody listening like
Jeff had posted there in the

1126
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,160
chat, don't click on links in
the chat, please.

1127
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,960
That that is not a link by us.
Don't.

1128
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,120
Don't click that.
Yeah, you'll get into your

1129
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,040
occasional bot so.
Yeah, cool.

1130
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:47,200
Well, I have two very small
sections left, two smaller

1131
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,080
projects to talk about, and then
we're done.

1132
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,360
All right guys, ready?
Yep, Yep, all right.

1133
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,520
First one is Project Twinkle.
On October 24th, 1948, Ellen

1134
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,120
Peterson reported witnessing a
green object in the sky over

1135
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,040
Phoenix, AZ.
Soon after, another report with

1136
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,360
the same description came.
In November of the same year.

1137
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,280
Another was submitted by 4
separate people on December

1138
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,160
20th, 1948.
They were all reporting green

1139
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,920
glowing objects accompanied by
green streaks and green flashes.

1140
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,040
In response, the Air Force
attempted to establish Project

1141
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,560
Twinkle to investigate reports
specifically about green objects

1142
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,160
in the area by way of
observation and photographs, but

1143
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,360
it never took off and was
cancelled after two years, and

1144
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,720
the official statement was given
that the objects were likely

1145
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,480
natural in origin.
These reports were then handed

1146
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,320
off to Project Sign and are now
obtainable within the archives

1147
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,680
of Project Blue Book.
More about the green balls of

1148
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,520
light in the sky of the
Southwest in future episodes of

1149
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,040
Infinite Rabbit Hole, as there
is plenty to talk about when it

1150
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,520
comes to Project Twinkle and the
Green lights.

1151
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,240
Project Stork.
Originally a classified study on

1152
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,520
Soviet technological warfare
abilities, Project Stork would

1153
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,960
add a secondary task to be
carried out by the Battelle

1154
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,480
Memorial Institute in Columbus,
OH.

1155
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:09,240
Battelle was tasked with looking
at all 3201 cases from Sine,

1156
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,800
Grudge and Blue Book with two
separate sets of eyes.

1157
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,720
The first set of researchers
would be given one report at a

1158
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,000
time and would be asked to
categorize each under either

1159
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:23,520
balloons, astronomical light,
phenomenon, birds, clouds or

1160
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,000
dust.
Insufficient information,

1161
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,120
Psychological, unknown and
other.

1162
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,800
Then another set of researchers
would look at the same cases 1

1163
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,960
by 1, and if they chose the
place to report into the same

1164
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,440
category as the previous group,
then that case would then be

1165
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,400
solved and discarded from the
pool of still unknown objects.

1166
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,400
This of course, was different
for those labeled unknown or

1167
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,400
other.
The findings of Project Stork

1168
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,760
were published as Special report
#14 of Project Blue Book and

1169
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,200
were met with an overwhelming
amount of criticism.

1170
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,000
There are also a lot of
unanswered questions with what

1171
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,600
number report it actually was,
with many claiming that it was

1172
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,120
instead Project Blue Book Status
Report 13, with others claiming

1173
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,000
that the Project Stork report
not being included in the

1174
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,080
Project Blue Book special or
status reports at all.

1175
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:17,000
All right, so I know those ones
were brief, quick to the point.

1176
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,680
Project Twinkle will be talked
about later on.

1177
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,560
I couldn't.
I had to stop myself there

1178
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,040
because I would have just
written a whole another episode

1179
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,320
on Project Twinkle and we would
be here a lot longer.

1180
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,120
So I didn't.
I kept it really short for you.

1181
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,840
You're welcome.
I'm curious who does the names

1182
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,280
for these projects because I
want to submit project butt

1183
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,520
stuff for the next alien one.
Because I mean it doesn't even

1184
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,760
matter.
By the time it gets released in

1185
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,800
like declassified we'll all be
like evolved to where we're

1186
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,200
laying eggs anyway so it doesn't
matter right?

1187
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,200
So.
Cute.

1188
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,040
Yeah.
That's.

1189
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,200
That's cute.
Appreciate it.

1190
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,000
Yeah.
It's just, you know, it's kind

1191
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,320
of a waste of money.
Definitely in some.

1192
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,160
In some, it's just money
laundering.

1193
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,920
Of course, they're just like,
it's All Star program.

1194
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,280
Oh, there's green lights in the
sky.

1195
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,360
Hey, we're going to need like,
however many.

1196
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,800
I don't know, I wonder how much
money funded Project Twinkle

1197
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,200
when they just wanted to.
What are they going to do, study

1198
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,920
this with observation and
photographs?

1199
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,240
Yeah.
You and everybody else, douche,

1200
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:23,960
you know, So.
Yeah.

1201
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,600
How many, how many 10s of
millions did you get approved

1202
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,200
for to do that for two years,
you know?

1203
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:31,360
Yeah.
I think there is.

1204
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:32,680
Something going on, but there's
an.

1205
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:37,200
Awful amount of money laundering
and garbage going on with it.

1206
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,120
All these projects, they all
need funding.

1207
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,680
Like Jeff was just saying,
someone's going to get the

1208
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,840
funding.
Like, hey, man, you know, you're

1209
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,200
our photographer.
We're going to hire you for

1210
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,760
this.
You pitch us half and we'll give

1211
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,200
you $10 million.
You put 5 million in my bank

1212
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,240
account and we got you.
Yeah, it's not that simple,

1213
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:59,720
obviously.
But you know.

1214
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,720
There's ways.
There's ways to make that

1215
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,200
happen, but.
Yeah, that's what that is.

1216
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,840
That's what a lot of these
projects are.

1217
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,840
But I do think that there is
just kind of going back to some

1218
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,760
of the previous sections a
little bit.

1219
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,640
You know, I do think kind of
what I was saying earlier, they

1220
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:20,520
figured out how to do a lot of
this like crazy woo woo stuff

1221
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,040
throughout the 60s and the 70s
and maybe before that they might

1222
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,320
have been working on it too, I
don't know.

1223
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,360
But in the 80s and 84, I think
it was Gateway Process gets

1224
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,000
published, right?
That's that gets sent to what

1225
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,840
was it Army Intel operations or
something like the head of Army

1226
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,120
Intel, right?
So at that point, a year goes

1227
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,680
by, boom.
The first project you talked

1228
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,520
about starts right on this and
then this episode at least.

1229
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,440
So at least that kind of tells
me, all right, that information

1230
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,880
got like disseminated somewhat
and now some programs get

1231
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,680
started and boom, they figure
out what's going on.

1232
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,880
And then like we were talking
about earlier, now the

1233
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,240
government's kind of have an
idea what's going on.

1234
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,800
There's maybe they're working on
some of their own stuff now, you

1235
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,480
know, they're getting driven
some of this information.

1236
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,480
If I remember, what was the name
of the project you were just

1237
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,000
talking about?
The one that we covered the the

1238
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,840
ones, the Army Intelligence
gateway.

1239
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,560
That's right, Gateway Gateway.
Was.

1240
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:25,640
A cahoots with CIA wasn't it
wasn't the CIA but they used the

1241
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,880
Army Intelligence Division for
for it was the Monroe Institute

1242
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,880
CIA.
And yeah, some people from Army

1243
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,160
Intel, right?
But obviously everything's on

1244
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,920
need to know.
But that Gateway process

1245
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:43,480
document that we're reading from
in those episodes was the

1246
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,680
analysis and assessment of the
gateway process.

1247
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,080
Yeah.
And it was which we need to

1248
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:49,800
finish.
We do need to finish.

1249
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,000
It was.
That group of.

1250
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,560
People that we just talked about
basically telling the head of

1251
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,680
Army intelligence, I think Army
Intel Command is what it was

1252
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,240
called.
I might be wrong on that, but

1253
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:01,960
boom, he would.
They were basically telling

1254
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,640
them, hey, here's all this shit,
here's how it works.

1255
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,560
Yes, it's real.
It's not so woo, boom, here you

1256
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:08,960
go.
And then, like I said, a year

1257
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,480
later, they're using it to look
for UFOs.

1258
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,640
We do.
Need to do that.

1259
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,760
We need to do it, Jeff.
We just have to figure out.

1260
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,520
We have to go back and figure.
Out where we left off and we

1261
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,040
just need to finish reading
through it.

1262
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,840
I guess we just got to start
from the beginning again, yeah.

1263
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:26,960
We're not.
If we're going to start from the

1264
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,560
beginning, we're not going to
read through it because that's.

1265
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,800
That's my numbing.
We have to need to.

1266
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,560
Nope, it's the law.
Yep, it's.

1267
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,960
Not have to well.
All right, so I'm going to do

1268
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:38,760
something a little different
right now.

1269
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:44,920
So those listening, if you are
not part of the live

1270
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,560
presentation, I'm going to cut
you off right here.

1271
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,920
We'll be back in 2 seconds to
finish up the episode for you.

1272
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,080
And now we're back to the audio
only version.

1273
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,960
So if you weren't here for the
live chat, you don't know what

1274
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,520
we said because I cut it out for
you.

1275
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,720
Yeah, we're going to do that at
the end of every live.

1276
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,120
Episode we're going to.
Talk about something that only

1277
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,439
live people get to hear.
Yeah.

1278
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,680
Yeah, we got to try to get you
out here somehow.

1279
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,279
Anything else gentlemen?
Is this the?

1280
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,800
This is Part 2 of 2.
Yep, part two of two, just as a.

1281
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,520
Recap, though, for those that
weren't here last week, I

1282
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:26,439
announced that we will be diving
into most of the topics that we

1283
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:31,560
discussed today and last weekend
in full in other episodes or

1284
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,399
upcoming episodes of The
Infinite Rabbit Hole.

1285
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:38,439
So this is basically like a
introduction to U.S. government

1286
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,920
UFO programs.
We're going to dive into each

1287
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,080
one of them eventually
throughout time.

1288
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:50,160
Some of them which I have
already started diving into, but

1289
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,399
yeah, this was just kind of like
a brief overview of what you can

1290
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:56,680
expect in the future.
So this is basically our final

1291
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,320
thoughts.
This is it.

1292
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,560
All right, so my final thoughts
haven't changed at all.

1293
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:07,720
Now I don't know if it's mostly
spiritual, mostly man made

1294
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:12,120
craft, inner earth stuff.
I don't know what it is, but the

1295
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,120
idea of anything coming from
outer space is just asinine to

1296
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,760
me.
It's just it, it just doesn't

1297
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,920
make any sense.
It doesn't make any sense what

1298
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,000
how they could have the
technology travel thousands or

1299
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,560
millions of light years and they
still need landing lights or you

1300
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,520
know, aircraft lights.
It just doesn't make any sense.

1301
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:36,560
It it way more points out to
craft here on Earth, which they

1302
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,880
have to kind of go with the same
types of light fixtures and

1303
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,400
things like that as everywhere
else, even if they're super

1304
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,800
fast.
Now that being said, it could be

1305
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,240
spiritual like Jeremy said last
episode.

1306
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,720
It could be biologic, right?
There could be atmospheric

1307
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,720
animals like we see with the
rods and what not, which, you

1308
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,600
know, we do know that there's
animals here on Earth that have

1309
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,160
bioluminescence and stuff where
they create their own light.

1310
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:08,680
So in that sense, I I suppose
like it, it, it makes sense,

1311
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:09,960
right?
Like, or it could be like the

1312
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,160
Nope alien, you know, it
doesn't.

1313
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:14,560
There could only be one or two.
You know, I don't know what the

1314
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,760
life cycle is, whatever, but it
is interesting the US government

1315
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:23,840
getting so deep into basically
what's out there and how to find

1316
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:28,080
them and how to search for them
and how to to research them and

1317
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,880
all that sort of stuff.
But I definitely believe,

1318
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:35,520
especially in the light of
what's going on today around the

1319
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:39,680
world, without getting too
heavily political, that like we

1320
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:43,360
said in the last section, that
it sounds like an awful lot of

1321
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:50,720
money money laundering where
it's just some BS type project

1322
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,240
where they could final millions
of dollars into it, say, well,

1323
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,880
we didn't find anything or we
found a one or two things,

1324
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:59,240
right?
If we're really doing our

1325
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:05,080
homework and our due due
diligence and then funneling

1326
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:09,800
that money elsewhere.
So it really has left me in the

1327
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,640
exact same spot as when we
started.

1328
01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:18,320
And I have gosh, like if the if
the aliens from was it Peru from

1329
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,920
earlier this year or late last
year?

1330
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,480
You talking about the Virgina?
Yeah, the little.

1331
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:26,720
Tiny ones, you talking?
About the Virgina, Brazil.

1332
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,400
Brazil maybe with the red ones
that were toxic.

1333
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,080
And killed that officer, No.
No, no, I'm talking about the

1334
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,880
actual like in the.
News The oh, oh, yeah.

1335
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,440
Peru, Peru, Peru, Yeah, yeah.
We would have to have proof

1336
01:12:38,440 --> 01:12:42,160
like.
That or an, A live specimen for

1337
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:47,720
me to ever agree to the idea
that these things are from

1338
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,320
another planet, they're biologic
from another planet or whatever

1339
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,240
it is.
But as it stands right now, I

1340
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,200
mean, you're just not going to
convince me.

1341
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,560
Could you even believe that at
this point though?

1342
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,200
Because.
They have genetic editing

1343
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,360
technologies that are like in
the public now, right?

1344
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,320
Like CRISPR technology and stuff
like that.

1345
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,560
So if they rolled out like some
alien, literally an alien, and

1346
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,840
they're like, this is some
unknown DNA, Oh my goodness.

1347
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,680
Like, could you even still fully
believe that it's from another

1348
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:17,480
planet?
No.

1349
01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:19,040
Well, that's the problem is
that.

1350
01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:21,560
Yeah, they.
Have CRISPR gene editing or they

1351
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,160
say that they do, but as it
stands right now I haven't seen

1352
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,480
anything definitive to show,
hey, this is something we

1353
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:31,800
created using CRISPR gene
editing like they want to make

1354
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,960
bring back the mammoths and all
that sort of stuff.

1355
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:38,200
Well, they don't have them yet
right and even then it's only

1356
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:44,480
another type of elephant with
some DNA from a a mammoth, right

1357
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:48,040
or whatever it is.
So it's just like I don't we

1358
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,840
don't have enough to where
something.

1359
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,880
Like that would be.
Absolutely obvious or whatever

1360
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,960
it was to where I'd be like, oh,
shoot, that's something that

1361
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:02,720
they made in CRISPR or using
CRISPR rather, instead of, you

1362
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,200
know, that's something alien or
whatever it is.

1363
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:11,520
But even still, I would probably
be more under the belief that

1364
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:16,080
it's something from some island
we haven't discovered yet, some

1365
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,680
unknown animal or whatever it is
versus an alien being.

1366
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,280
So I, I suppose you're right,
but I don't, especially with the

1367
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,760
rise of AI, I mentioned probably
the last episode, like I've had

1368
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,360
to abandon all of those Bigfoot
Facebook pages I followed

1369
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:36,240
because they're flooded with
just stupid AI images.

1370
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,040
And it's even worse because you
get into comments and people are

1371
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:43,200
like, wow, how'd you get all 20
big feet to stand still like

1372
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,360
that for the photo?
And it's like, you're an idiot,

1373
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,600
you know, type stuff, You know,
it's just like, I don't even

1374
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,840
know if we could see something
these days, like a news report

1375
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,760
of an alien spacecraft coming
down and we wouldn't immediately

1376
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,200
be like, all right, well, that's
AI generator or that's CGI or

1377
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,160
whatever it is.
This is previous, previously

1378
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,320
recorded, edited, all that sort
of stuff like a movie.

1379
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,800
And they're just playing on live
TV to try to get cooks to scare

1380
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,600
out of people.
This is exactly what I was

1381
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,320
saying about Project Bluebeam.
Might not actually have to be

1382
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,800
holograms and and so on and so
forth.

1383
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,960
They could literally just be an
AI generated broadcast that's

1384
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,720
just forced out to every
smartphone device on the planet.

1385
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,480
And if everybody on the planet's
forced to watch this, this fake

1386
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,040
alien, whatever, right
experience and then the grid

1387
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,040
goes out after, well, that's
what happened.

1388
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,400
It would be very similar.
To.

1389
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,400
War of the Worlds When the radio
broadcast came out, there was

1390
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:45,520
mass hysteria from people tuning
in after the announcement saying

1391
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,960
this was Orwells War of the
worlds.

1392
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,320
And then, you know, they, they
throw that out and they start

1393
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:57,400
doing the reading and it sounds
very similar to A to a reporter,

1394
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:00,280
the narrative that they had.
And then people start tuning

1395
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:05,240
into the radio after the, you
know, hey, this is from the book

1396
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:09,200
War of the Worlds, thinking that
this was actually going on, that

1397
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:13,000
aliens were invading because
they heard news broadcasters

1398
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,960
type voice.
Oh my gosh, the aliens, they're

1399
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,680
coming out of the ground and oh,
they're vaporizing everyone and

1400
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,720
all that sort of stuff.
And there was mass hysteria.

1401
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,720
It could be just like that,
except visual.

1402
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,160
So I don't know.
I think it was HG Wells, by the

1403
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,320
way, I don't.
Think it was.

1404
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,080
George Orwell.
Yeah, Orwell.

1405
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,600
Not the popcorn guy.
HG.

1406
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,760
Wells.
Kind.

1407
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:41,440
Of reverse a little bit just to
fill anybody in that's listening

1408
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:44,680
and you may or may not know what
CRISPR is.

1409
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:51,200
CRISPR is a gene editing
technology where they use a

1410
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:55,280
protein called CAS 9 to
basically act as scissors and

1411
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,880
cut DNA and then they can
basically paste them.

1412
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:05,680
So it's a way for gene altering.
You know, Jake and I were

1413
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,200
actually kind of cover it very,
very early in the infinite

1414
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:13,440
rabbit hole and we ended up
never covering it but that's it

1415
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:16,520
in a nutshell.
Yes, Jeff, that that's just like

1416
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:17,720
the public stuff.
Right.

1417
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,800
And this is this is another one
of those like coin goes to the

1418
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,960
Alex Jonas right jar, because I
remember like 10-15 years ago he

1419
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,480
was talking about like they're
making climeras, they're making

1420
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:28,080
climeras and people are like
you're crazy.

1421
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,600
And if you look up, you know
what that is.

1422
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,280
What he's talking about is like
that there are programs where

1423
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:38,600
they're splicing and mixing DNA
to create new life forms.

1424
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,320
And they're making mutants.
Yeah, they're making mutants and

1425
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:42,760
they're.
Doing this in labs right and.

1426
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,320
Most of them are nothing.
Most of them are just like one

1427
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,160
or two cells.
They're just watching what

1428
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,360
happens.
But somewhere in some lab that

1429
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:54,560
must be advancing to some level
where something must be walking

1430
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,320
around on 2468 legs, however
many it is.

1431
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,480
And like, yeah, it's crazy.
And it's that ended up coming

1432
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:04,280
out like there are articles.
And like.

1433
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,760
There are chimera programs, and
in the US there's laws against

1434
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,720
doing some of this stuff, but
like in China and other places,

1435
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,000
there's not, right?
So like, who knows what they're

1436
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,880
creating underground?
You know what I found out

1437
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,760
yesterday?
And I got really upset about

1438
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,400
that.
The Netflix show Inside Job is

1439
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,560
officially cancelled.
It's been cancelled for a year

1440
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:26,920
now.
And I didn't know that I was

1441
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:31,960
pissed, but the character Glenn
Dolphin, who is AI believe he's

1442
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:37,000
army general he he's a dolphin,
right.

1443
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:42,480
So he George Dolph man, it's a
plan words, but his character is

1444
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:48,600
directly in our it.
It's using CRISPR cast 9.

1445
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,240
That's what they're talking
about.

1446
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,800
When, when that character is
that that's the characters

1447
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,040
built.
He was crispered into being half

1448
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:00,040
dolphin, half man.
Yeah.

1449
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,760
Yeah.
You talking about that cartoon?

1450
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:03,800
Yeah.
The one that has like.

1451
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,360
Big.
Feet and man.

1452
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,520
Yeah, watch the new season.
That's a bummer, but you know,

1453
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,440
but people who have.
You know, and I don't know how

1454
01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:14,400
much of this is real or not.
You'll probably find out more in

1455
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,000
your research, Jeremy.
But like in the my labs, right,

1456
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,320
the military abductions, there's
claims that some of these

1457
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:27,360
Climera projects were being used
as the aliens to abduct people.

1458
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,840
That's why I wasn't even just
using that as like a random off

1459
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,640
example.
Like there have been people

1460
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,240
claiming that that's what
they're doing.

1461
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,040
So a lot of people don't
understand how connected all

1462
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,960
this.
Shit is I fully agree or not

1463
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,880
that I agree.
I've also heard that CRISPR CAS

1464
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:49,040
9 has been used or CRISPR has
been used to create alien being

1465
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,480
chimeras and be used for my
labs.

1466
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:58,480
One of which when I mentioned
during the aliens, Owls and UFOs

1467
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:01,280
screen memories episode that I
said I could do another episode

1468
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,400
on it.
One of the topics I was going to

1469
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,360
talk about were chimeras between
humans and owls.

1470
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:13,040
That potentially could be
something that the the My Lab

1471
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,760
program.
Was using and the reason why

1472
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:24,400
hypnotic regressive patients or
victims of alien abductions see

1473
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:29,680
owls all over the place.
Let's see.

1474
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,720
Hey, one other thing.
Oh, that's right.

1475
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:38,200
The you guys were Jake had a
long time ago mentioned, is

1476
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:43,320
Hollywood just making movies for
us to think that everything's a

1477
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:47,040
joke?
Well, my comment there was yes.

1478
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,760
And we know that they know how
to do it because they filmed the

1479
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,800
moon landing.
Stanley Kubrick.

1480
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:55,840
Yeah.
So we know they know how to use

1481
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,040
a camera.
Well, they definitely know how

1482
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,680
to use cameras.
What's a predictive programming

1483
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:03,840
for?
In my opinion, that's mostly

1484
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,040
predictive programming.
I think that I think there's

1485
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,080
really 2 elements to it in the
Hollywood thing.

1486
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,080
To go back to that, I think part
of it is predictive programming

1487
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,880
where there is elements of like
the CIA and the Mockingbird

1488
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,160
media and they're like, they're
like seeding the population with

1489
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,560
certain ideas so that they can
push narratives and blah, blah,

1490
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:22,440
blah, blah.
Right?

1491
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:26,360
Predictive programming, boom.
I also think that there's some

1492
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,880
people when they get into these
flow states, I talked about this

1493
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,480
1000 times.
When you get into these flow

1494
01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:34,600
states, you do.
I don't know if you want to use

1495
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,600
the word like or given
information or like you.

1496
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,600
Some people say that they reach
the Akashic records or whatever

1497
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,000
the case might be.
But when you get in these flow

1498
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,280
states, things happen like
creativity happens.

1499
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,480
Information is given to you.
And I think some of these

1500
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:53,640
directors when or writers when
they're in that flow state,

1501
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:57,160
writing these scripts out, some
of this higher information of

1502
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:01,360
things that are actually
happening gets, you know, seeded

1503
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,160
into what they're writing.
You know what I mean?

1504
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,760
Yeah.
Yeah.

1505
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,760
Well, I'm done with.
My list of things I wanted to

1506
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:13,120
circle back on.
Jeff, what did you think of the

1507
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:17,680
series on UFO programs in the
government from the 40s to the

1508
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,840
90s?
That's pretty all right, you

1509
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,480
know.
That was good.

1510
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,600
I'd like to get into each one of
them a little more, right,

1511
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,080
because this is like the stuff
that I like to think about.

1512
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,000
I'll tell you the the two that
you can expect.

1513
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:36,800
First are going to be Foo
Fighters and Majestic 12.

1514
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:42,400
Those two are are well into the
research already.

1515
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:45,440
Foo Fighters is cool.
It's really fucking cool.

1516
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,640
Yeah, Yeah, about it.
All right, well.

1517
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,920
Yeah, that's it.
Anybody have anything else?

1518
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:53,200
No, Sir.
All right.

1519
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:54,720
Hey, thanks to everybody that
showed.

1520
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,520
Up in the chat.
Really do appreciate you guys

1521
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,160
made this, this episode a lot of
fun.

1522
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,200
Thank you very much.
Shout out to the chat.

1523
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,080
And for those of you listening
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1524
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,200
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1525
01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:10,280
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1526
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1527
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1528
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:21,560
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1529
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1530
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