183. US Government UFO Programs: 40's - 90's Part 2

0:02 Imagine that this line represents a time in the present 1985 Future Past prior to this point in. Time. Somewhere in the past, the timeline skewed into this tangent, creating an alternate 1985 alternate to You need an Einstein from reality for everyone else. Welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I'm your host Jeremy, and today we're going to dive right back into our coverage on secret UFO projects from the 40s to the 90s.

0:45 Last week we talked a little bit about the Foo Fighters Ghost Rockets Project, Sign Grudge, and Blue Book, as well as diving a bit into the Robertson panel and the Condon Committee. Today we're going to expand into quite a bit more. Some of them are a little less known, such as Moon dust, Blue Fly St. and Blue Gemini, just to name a few. But before we do that, let's go ahead and bring in the rest of the host. Let's start with Jeffrey today, Jeffrey, Jeffrey Fernandez, who doesn't speak Spanish. What's up dude? First of. All how dare you assume that I don't speak Spanish? I have it under good authority that you don't speak Spanish.

1:28 Whatever bro, right? Whatever bro. I know enough to know when people are talking smack about me in Spanish do. You though. Oh, I know. Trust me, do you? Oh, I know. Oh, I'll try doing that stupid thing now. I can't. You got a brave light in there. That's I don't know how to change it, Jake. Jake got me that that little thing right there. You got the hell yeah, dude. Yeah, he did. What did I get you? The the infant rabbit hole Neon the. Wave light, Yeah, that's why I'm not going to do it, but it does. Well, since Jeff let everybody know that he does not speak Spanish. Jake, how are you doing? I'm doing well, my mom is in town from California and Jeremy has me doing the show because he hates me.

2:12 That's right. Yeah, yeah. Well, no, it's it's good. I just, I just made some bria tacos. I had to eat real quick and then run downstairs. But yeah, I'm ready to continue with this. It's it's been a good weekend. My birthday is actually tomorrow. I'm turning 33 'cause I'm super old. Oh yeah, happy birthday and. Old Jeremy and his family is gonna be over at our house having a BBQ. It's funny that I get to I get to cook for my own birthday, but whatever are gonna hang out, probably play some Jack Box TV. So it'll be. It'll be fun. Yeah, that was fun last time. It was. My wife's not helping me buy that at some point. I don't know if anyone knows what that is, but it's a game on your your console, PlayStation, Xbox, whatever, but it's called Jack Box and your phone is a controller.

2:59 So you get online onto jackbox.tv and they give you a room code and you can do things like kind of like drawing pictures and hopefully people guess what it is. If you're prompted with, you know, draw The Color Purple or whatever it is, right? And you're only given a red pen, right? Red coloring. So yeah, it's, it's pretty cool. It's, it's a fun game and we definitely had a lot of fun. It was it was a good time. Right. Well, oh, we got some. We got somebody new in here. 14 the Wins says this is your Mama. Yo, Mama. Whose Mama is this? This is probably my Mama. It's your mama's Mama. Probably. Hey, Mama. Watching live from your living room. If this is Jake's Mama, respond. Ah, yes, it is.

3:41 There they go if you need help. All right. Whitney says Chupa Mikulo. Hi, Jake. That says Jeff. Yeah, Come on, Jeff. Yeah, Jeff, what's Chupa Mikulo? Come on, don't. Look at, don't look at her. Chupa Mikulo is. Eat my ass. You dip that, you dip your chips in that. Dip that it's funny, I just said that and mom is I could hear cracking up upstairs the. Green one? Yeah, it's the green one. Yeah, yeah, it's the green sauce.

4:21 All right, you guys, you guys ready to roll? Yeah. All right, Project Moon Dust, Blue Fly St. and Blue Gemini. November of 1961, Colonel Betts of Air Force Intelligence announced 2 new projects in response to the increase of the UFO presence over American soil. Project Moon Dust and Project Blue Fly Quote as a specialized aspect of its overall material exploration program. Headquarters, United States Air Force has established Project Moondust to locate, recover, and deliver descended foreign space objects. Operation Bluefly has been established to facilitate expeditious delivery to FTD or the Air Force's Foreign Technology Division at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio of Moon dust or other items of great technical intelligence of interest.

5:13 These peacetime projects all involve a potential for employment of qualified field intelligence personnel on a quick reaction basis to recover or perform field exploration of unidentified flying objects. As Howard Bloom states, in layman's terms, this was in all respects a UFO SWAT and recovery team. The efforts of Moon Dust and Blue Fly died quickly to the public eye but unofficially lasted for years. It could be potentially still ongoing. Project St. and Blue Gemini followed up soon after Moon Dust and Blue Fly. Project St. was established as a quote UN quote satellite inspection program which used the anti satellite weapon system titled USAF 7795. This Agenda B satellite was for documentation only and would approach unknown satellites within a range of 50 feet and send pictures back to NORAD for identification. Project Blue Gemini, on the other hand, was a project tasked with shooting the unknowns out of orbit. The idea was to use a modified NASA Gemini Space Shuttle, which would be used for the disarming, capture, or destruction of unknown objects in orbit.

6:21 But on record, this program never took off and died shortly after being announced. Or was it? All right, guys, what do you guys think about Project Moon Dust, Blue Fly St. and Blue Gemini? Just to kind of summarize that all for you guys. Moon Dust was the program tasked with finding things that fell out of the sky, right? And they didn't ever come out and strictly say that it was UF OS. But you know, you can only believe Blue Fly was the collection of said objects. St. came in and then they were to identify objects in orbit. 1 of the objects that St. identified, Jeff was the Black Knight and Blue Gemini was created to destroy whatever they found.

7:08 OK, so first of all. Whoa, he's got glasses. No, man. Whoa. They're they're blue blockers. Oh yeah, I bet. Because this is there's a lot happening right here, as you can tell by the reflections. That's stupid. That's so stupid. Why? Why would you shoot unidentified? Like OK, I understand shooting some stuff that's unidentified out of the sky, right? Stuff that's moving like in in a way that could be a missile or a plane, right, Was just not identified as such yet. But something that's doing like what these UFOs are doing, Why would you start shooting those out of this guy? Because clearly.

7:50 They're you need to get a sample, dude, you need to get something and and reverse engineer, you need, you need something in your hands. Yeah. Smart. Go ahead. Or or they already knew what it was and they felt like it was a defense problem. You know what this reminds me of? That scene in Indiana Jones where the dude pulls. Out never seen it. You go ahead. I I've seen it. I've seen all of them unfortunately. And he's like. And then he shoots him. Yeah. Harrison Ford's just like, like, this is the same kind of thing, right? You're just starting to shoot advanced aircraft out of the sky 'cause you're like, what is it? Let's shoot one down, stupid. Also, we just went fishing the other day at a park right across the water from NASA that's like the Gemini park.

8:35 So they have like big statues of like the Gemini symbols that they have on their patches and all the the astronauts handprints and stuff are all like in the walkway leading up to like where we fish on the ledge there. You should see if there's anything about blue Gemini. I should blue. You know what? Let me. Oh, shoot, you know, when we did the the the parade in Elmwood, you remember that those folks that were wearing like the blue or the red felt caps and stuff. They're right around the go karts. It was like zor something. Yeah, yeah. So they showed up over at the Pickle Fest, Jeff, and they all over their trailer they're pulling had Freemasonry symbolism. Oh yeah, all over it, right?

9:18 Yeah, so figured out what it was and they're called the the Shriners and it was all Freemasonry stuff. So that just totally reminded me. Sorry. As far as my thoughts on this, it's interesting that there was I guess not divulge to the public at the time, but some kind of governmental projects to address this problem. So that probably leads more to me of it being not a military type thing, especially if they're trying to shoot the things down. So that's interesting. I not certain what to make of it though. I think that it's interesting that they had this period. It it, it lets you know that there was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes, right?

10:10 We've talked about a lot of the programs last week, which a lot of people didn't really know was a thing. I mean, everyone knows Project Blue Book, that's kind of a given, right? But how many people heard of of Grudge or Sine that actually don't look into this kind of stuff now? I mean, to us, right? We've looked into this stuff quite a bit. Grudge and Sine are common terms, but a lot of people don't know it. I mean, but out of the two of you, did you guys ever hear of the Robertson panel? No, probably, probably not, right? Or the Condon community. No, I feel like the Robertson panel sounds familiar, but I couldn't tell you what that is. That's probably one of the, the, the, the, the more popular ones out of, out of those, you know, where the Condon Committee was, was the Air Force's attempt to try to get the whole UFO topic off their shoulders. And they, they basically bought out, I believe it was at Colorado University.

11:03 They bought out, you know, a bunch of people to go do this committee on UFOs where they were still paying for it, but it wasn't under the, the United States Air Force umbrella. So it was off their shoulders. Whenever they were getting questions about UFOs, they were just pointing to the condom committee and said go talk to them. Sounds like today with the with Lockheed and Northrop Grumman and all those folks, right, Congress gets questioned and they're like don't have the answers, sorry. Yeah, basically same. Same but different, right? Yep. You guys ready to roll? Yep. All right, let's get into this is where it gets fun. Project Aquarius Stargate and scanning the US Space Surveillance Center is AUS government facility half of a mile below the ground inside of Cheyenne Mountain near Colorado Spring, Colorado.

11:54 In December of 1986, a program simply known as Box 9, which is tasked with monitoring space debris in a field directly over the United States, identified an unknown object that was unlike any other that they were used to tracking. Although seemingly small at the time, it was this that would serve as the first event that led to the US government establishing a top secret UFO working group. The object was spotted and tracked after it set off a sensor known as the fence which is an act known as tripping the fence by the way, which is the main tool described as the US Naval Space Surveillance System. The fence stretches 1000 miles off of each coast and spans approximately 3000 miles across the southern United States from California to Georgia.

12:43 By definition, the fence is a man made energy field that reaches nearly 15,000 miles into space by using transmitters that are strategically placed that send out a continuous fan shaped wave of radio energy. One such transmitter was a facility in the Texas town of Lake Kickapoo. Once the transmitter from Lake Kickapoo sense the the object, other facilities all across the South begin to lock on to it as well. Facilities such as the ones in Silver Lake, Mississippi and Hawkesville, Georgia. These facilities use instruments such as the fence at their disposal to calculate the object speed and size. From there, the information was relayed to the headquarters for the system in Delgren, Virginia, where an IBM 1800 computer would decipher the object's exact location, path, and anticipated ground track. This information was then transmitted to Box 9 at the US Space Surveillance Center in Cheyenne Mountain, Montana, where they would typically plan out whether or not the object was in orbit or falling to the Earth, which in the case of falling on American soil, the TIP or tracking an impact prediction team would take over.

13:55 The object was moving from West to east, but was moving rather erratically and also did not match the description of any of the 7087 objects that were already being tracked by Box 9 at the time. No object on earth by any country or their military had the technology to move like this thing was. And as one of the airmen tracking the object was stated by Howard Bloom in his book Out There as saying, quote, it looks like we have someone joyriding up there. This LED Commander Sheila Mondrian to place a call to the CNIC NORAD, or Commander Naval Installation Command of North American Aerospace Defense Command to report the object, and shortly after Commander Mondrian placed the call, setting off a major chain of events leading to many top secret and historical government projects and events involving UFOs, remote viewing, and much more. It simply disappeared and the entire network of the top tracking technologies at the time failed to find it again. Due to this unforeseen disappearance, the standard response was for Box 9 to transmit a message from Cheyenne Mountain, which set forward a request for response from the entire of the space detection and tracking system spanning the entire globe, and use technologies such as satellites, radars, telescopes, receiving equipment and cameras to help retract the object.

15:16 Unfortunately, this object was never found again and the alert was officially recalled after 18 hours. With word of the failure in the craft that seemed to move in ways more advanced than any human technologies available at the time made its way to the Pentagon, the Joint Chiefs and President Ronald Reagan himself. But it would be an Army Colonel from the Defense Intelligence Agency's Directorate for Management and Operations who would enlist the powers of the top secret government program known as Project Aquarius. All right. I know a lot to a lot to take in there, but what do you guys think about that? I mean, I think that it's important for people to know that they didn't. I mean, they didn't make this because of UFOs. They made this because of the threat of nuclear warfare. That's why the facility is half a mile below the ground in the Cheyenne Mountains, right?

16:12 So, but it still looks for objects coming into US airspace, whether that's a, a missile, a nuclear warhead, fleet of planes, you know, whatever it is, right? Or would it be a flock of planes, right? It wouldn't be necessarily UFOs. So they, I, I don't think they made this because of UFOs. They made this because of the threat of nuclear war and what not. And to have a, to know where the missiles going or the projectile, where it's going and where it's going to be, where it's going to be landing, you know, how much time that sort of stuff. But it is interesting that all the way back in the presidency of Reagan, they're tracking things that they're saying aren't from the United States or any of our technologies and things like that because I mean this. So this has been going on for quite some time. That's very interesting versus what we're just getting finally, you know, the US government to open up to today where it's just like So what, 20 years ago, 20-30 years ago, right? Something like that.

17:23 Yeah, neat. It's neat. Hefe. Yeah, I mean, it starting this type of program doesn't really strike me as odd really, especially during the time. But I think that there was we, we talked about this 1000 times, right? I think that at the time we had some of this technology, maybe not us, but you know, the Nazis might have had some of this technology. There might have been some breakaway groups that had this technology on Earth. So not necessarily convinced that this was like aliens or anything like that. That's pretty much it so far. Well, this was enough to raise the red flag to take people who do this for a living and have them say we don't know what this is. These are people that watch the skies over the United States with this technology day in and day out. And like I said, there was 7000 something objects that they were already tracking known to exist where this object wasn't moving in a straight line.

18:24 It was going back and forth cutting at 90° angles. They even one of the airmen even came out and said that it looked like someone who was joyriding up there. Now the way that this thing was moving, it could not physically do that. Now one thing about aircraft, most aircraft, if you try to cut a sharp angle while going top speed, you're going to cut your tail right off your air. A lot of airframes aren't built for that. I mean shit, I don't even think fighters are are built for, you know, deep cuts like that. They have to. Well, they. Have the only thing that can cut a 90° angle is a helicopter, all right, So either going forward and going down or going forward and going up right.

19:08 That's like a 90° angle. Nothing can go left or right at a 90° angle that we have even fighters like I mean they're going super, super fast, but they have they'd have a my arc as they or arch as they, you know, what was the take that turn? Did you say the altitude? What was the altitude? I don't remember. Hold on, I'll look at it. Was it high enough for it to be like 0 gravity? I don't have an altitude. I know they said they were scanning what, 15,000 miles into the into space basically. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure 15,000 miles is 0 gravity for sure, right? Like right. So if this object was in zero gravity, it's still possible that even with conventional type stuff, something could move in 90° angles in space going pretty quick. I don't know if you guys have ever seen videos of those, like, pulsing jet engine machines that like hover and like, they're all it's got, like jet engines on all sides of it, yeah. I don't.

20:08 Know if it's a jet engine or what it is it's like a pulse rocket of some kind and it like can do like quick like jolting maneuvers in all directions sorry the mic you know and that's just like an. But that, but that thing is slow, right? That's that's super slow. Well. This is what I'm, this is what I'm saying. It's it that's in a lab somewhere and on a video on YouTube. So that that technology is probably like advanced to a point somewhere else in a bunker and maybe in space and 0 gravity, you could use something like that to kind of like have an object making quick maneuvers like in space, in zero gravity. It's not going to tear up the frames. It's not going to tear apart the people inside of that's not even to mention like I said before, like I think that some people had advanced technologies at this time already, but.

20:54 I don't know, man, I don't know. I don't think so, but I made that clear last episode. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah. You want to believe it says it behind you. I do and it says it right here. I want to believe, but I don't. Good to know. No, I clear that up. Not that I don't believe in this. I just don't believe in Jeff and what he's saying. Yeah. Just to be clear, I believe in not right there. Don't know. Carry on. WAVY images. Yeah, well, it's a little flying sauce, right? Everybody knows what this is. Anybody who's seen X-Files seen this, right? X-Files is arguably way more popular than Star Wars ever was. Right. You know you've never even seen Star Wars. See.

21:36 Not that popular. You wouldn't even know. Star Wars you wouldn't. Even know Star Wars marketing or stuff when if you walk past it because you've never seen it, you'd just be like, I don't know what this is, Harry Potter. Yeah, you have. No. Idea how big Star Wars is. Yeah, he's like Harry Potter, who I've never seen before either. Right. All right. You guys ready to move on? Ready. All right, this is this is my favorite part of this presentation. Origins of Aquarius. In the Old Executive Office Building across from the White House in Washington, DC, a program was being born in the form of a group of people in a lead lined conference room which was being referred to as the Vault in the fall of 1985.

22:20 In this room, a small team of science and technology staff members was set to begin the initial tests and operations, which revolves around a single man in a Navy's officer uniform sitting in the middle of the room in which they referred to simply as their viewer. Author Howard Bloom describes the next evolution notion of this initial event, where one of the staff members began to give the introductory speech, which included information on the project itself. Quote. What we will demonstrate, the scientist promised, is the existence of a new perceptual channel through which certain individuals are able to perceive and describe remote data not presented to any known sense.

23:04 The channel that this scientist was describing was the phenomenon now more commonly referred to as remote viewing, and the purpose of this particular test was to determine information unknown at the time about specific latitudinal and longitudinal coordinates of a specific target. After being given the specific coordinates by another man in the room who was the viewer. This man who stood at the center of the entire room's attention, bowed his head as if in some sort of trance and began spewing out information about what he was witnessing at these coordinates while hysically being in the vault and without any other tools or inputs from electronics or other sources. Quote I see a house big, a mansion actually pillars. After his words trailed off, he was given a piece of paper and a pencil and asked to draw what he had seen. The image that came into being from the series of shapes he drew was then passed around the room of scientists and military personnel.

24:05 The man who sat in the center of the room, who just drew a vision witnessed of a far off location, stood up and handed a briefcase previously handcuffed to his wrist to the scientist by his table. The briefcase was unlocked in a black, black and white image was revealed to the room and viewer for the first time. This photo was of a white pillared house that perfectly matched the one that was drawn by the naval commander standing in front of the audience. The image was originally taken by satellite and the commander added one more piece of critical information before the initial trial wrapped up. Quote It's the country dacha or home of Mikhail Gorbachek, the then president of the Soviet Union. The name of this mind blowing program was then officially given the initial title of Project Scanate. The second test of Project Scanate was to test its applications in anti submarine warfare. This test, which was also taking place in the vault, involved the same viewer and another naval commander who stood in front of the table with the remote viewer. The standing commander reached into his briefcase and withdrew a stack of six photographs, all of which highlighted a different submarine that was a part of either the United States or Soviet Union's militaries, all of which were armed with nuclear warheads.

25:26 The commander placed each black and white photo in a three by two grid in front of the viewer and asked the demand to state the global locations of all six Subs. Using the phenomenon then known as scanning. The accuracy of the viewer's vision would be confirmed by charts from 24 hours previous that were currently locked in the standing commander's briefcase. One of the six pictures he accurately pointed out the locations of a sub off the coast of Iceland, a Soviet Boomer off the coast of South Carolina, and another trolling the waters in between the state of Maine and Nova Scotia. He was unable to find one, but this was actually a good thing as it was not built yet, but rather was a conceptual drawing of the submarine. The real surprise of the day came from when the man was looking for the 5th sub.

26:15 The man, acting as the viewer, snapped out of his trance and began to look around the room awkwardly. He claimed to have found the sub, but while he was looking, he saw an object hovering directly over its location in the air. When asked to draw what he saw, the room all came to the same conclusion. The object the man seemed to have drawn was a flying saucer. Overall, after the initial six months trials were concluded. The program was considered a success even though the combined accuracy of all viewers tested tallied at 46% accurate while using the technique known as scanning. But it wasn't ever established as an official, publicly known technique employed by any branch of the government.

26:57 But as we would later learn in years to come, the Defense Intelligence Agency created an offshoot of Project Scanning with the goals of finding enemy submarines from remote locations around the world, officially named Project Aquarius. All right, gentlemen. Anything to talk about with Project Aquarius? Jeff does. Yeah, you get into like the, I think one of the is like the Hunt for Red October. So I specifically didn't get into a ton of stuff when it comes to Project Aquarius because I've already started on an entire episode dedicated to Project Aquarius, so I didn't say. You're going to get into that like in the future. Yep, absolutely, 100%. So I'll talk about it now because fuck it. If I'm not mistaken, tell me if I'm wrong, since you've already started the research on it, right. But isn't the hunt for Red October them using, I don't know if it was Project Aquarius.

27:47 Maybe it was, but it was one of these remote viewing programs where one of these guys basically found this like new Russian sub that that was being built, right? And he was like basically telling them in his remote viewing like, hey, like here's this, here's where this new sub is being built. Here's like these dimensions of it and the engineers and all these people didn't believe him or something at the time, I guess like it didn't really go anywhere. And then he's I guess called out of date. If I'm not mistaken, he even like named, Hey, look, if if we go and look, fly your satellite over this area, like on this day. And then when they did this, they had built a canal from the factory. They were building the submarine to the ocean and there was this new submarine, this new class of submarines sitting in the water in the Bay.

28:33 And like they're like, oh, snap. Like not only did he see the submarine being built, but he also knew that he saw the future as well to some extent. Never seen the movie but I'll tell you what movie I oh TV show or. Comedy or whatever. It's a movie, but it's Sean Connery playing a Russian commander, so, you know, no, I'm actually Scottish accent. I remember reading about this like years ago and then recently on the Sean Ryan podcast there was a dude who I think was the guy if I'm not mistaken. That was a great fucking episode do. You know what I'm talking about, right? You. Remember this? Yeah, I'll, I'll get his name. Yeah, so yeah, that's the same same stuff. And then, you know, just to kind of say something about what was it to him remote viewing the summary or the UFO over the submarine?

29:21 Yep. Look, either it's the hey look, they're interested in the nukes and all that, right? So the UFOs are there watching the nukes, the aliens, right? Or like I said that they I have this kind of like working theory I guess that the UFOs might actually be the object that manifests itself in 3D reality when a remote viewing is happening, right? We have, yeah, we've talked about that quite a bit. I I think that's a very interesting point of view. I have a new point of view because of some research that I did today, but we'll talk about that in another day. Yeah, it's like, it's kind of weird. Like if you do the remote viewing, you look somewhere or look some time, right? Like a weird phenomenon object, like what we would only see is like a UFO appears and that is the viewer, right?

30:08 So maybe you can see that as well. If you're the viewer, maybe you can see it from an outside perspective. Like you're looking at it because it's weird, right? Astral projection and remote viewing, It's a weird thing. It's not as simple as just like there it is. I'm not under the impression that remote viewing is remote viewing is false. I think it's real, but it's demonic and unnatural. But that being said, to Jeff's point, well then why do we see UFOs over nonsense over just things that don't matter? Like their people say they've seen UFOs over fields and stuff. Like who's? Could could be some dude that's just peeping on his ex-girlfriend, man.

30:49 Could be some weird shit. You think? Maybe. Could could be. I mean like you know, The thing is to write time. The whole thing is weird times, not linear. So if I remote view and look at you there, or it may be I'm looking at something at a different time, right, that could manifest the UFO in another time as well. Like it maybe that UFO manifests always in that spot. I don't know, it could be something weird. I don't think that's what they are. I think it's an interesting idea. I just don't think it's what they are. But. I'm just wolfing off that right now. But I I do have a movie that some people might be familiar with and that is The Men Who Stare at Goats. That was Project Stargate I believe it was, which was literally the third in line.

31:38 So it went project scanning Project Aquarius and after Project Aquarius went down and went Project Stargate, which that movie The Men Who Stare at Goats was based off of true offense. There was an actual branch inside of the military, or not a branch, but a division within the military. I can't remember exactly which branch of the military it was, but they specifically were enlisted to work in this remote viewing field. And there there was a lot of success that came from it. That guy's name, by the way, was Edwin C May. That was a good episode. That was by the Sean Ryan podcast, by the way. Yeah, you guys got me into that heart, by the way. I'm like really fucking into that. Great guest, man.

32:26 Yeah. Phenomenal. Yeah, yeah. I I love the story of of of scan 8 and Aquarius. I can't remember if I talk about it in this in this presentation or if I strictly left it to just the Elmwood presentation, but Scanate or Aquarius was the program that was spying on Elmwood and that's when the CIA sent those NASA engineers. They sent them because somebody in in Aquarius noticed something, don't know what it was which. Jeff, have you done the FOIA request yet? No.

33:10 Absolutely not scum. You have to ask in Spanish. Yeah, dude, paperwork is like the last thing I want to do, man. Let's be. Real Tom bro, we're we're counting on you. You told the people at the auditorium that you would do it. Yeah, listen. You didn't say we I you said you said and I quote I Jeff Sanchez Fernandez comma. We'll. Find out why they're here and submit a FOIA request today. And here we are. What, a month later? Gosh. I'm pretty sure that was. Whitney, you're not here. You're a liar. You're outside the whole time.

33:52 Do not even. I was filming. I'll kick you right in the face. Not that I, not that I they're. Going to Boo you next year. Yeah, I'm totally. Totally remember everything all the time, but can you just tell me what it is that I was supposed to FOIA request because I totally forgot about that. Why NASA sent their engineers to Elmwood? Come on bro. Oh. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's like an elephant, but with amnesia. Even Crystal's laughing at you. See, she knows. I will look into it. I will look into it. So I'll. Give you a date of tomorrow. He's going to fail. Yeah, he fails.

34:33 Everyone look at him. He fails. Him, look at him all failing and stuff. Yeah, yeah. All right guys, ready to move on Yeah. Working group. Within the 1st 14 months of its establishment, Project Aquarius and the scanners employed in their efforts found a total of 17 unidentified flying objects hovering over the water where their true targets hit. While many of the higher up members of various government entities saw this as proof that the phenomenon of scanning was bogus and a waste of time and funds, an Army Colonel from the Defense Intelligence Agency by the name of Harold E Phillips, who was previously standing as the Associate Coordinator of Space Reconnaissance Activities, saw the presence of the strange craft as an opportunity.

35:17 The then newly titled Assistant to the Dias, representative to the National Foreign Intelligence Boards Committee on Imagery, Requirements and Exploration, or Comma Rex. Colonel Phillips belief in the presence of UFOs began when he was a child in a cornfield in his hometown in Iowa that he and his father were walking along one night when a quote domed shaped ship as big as a Greyhound bus and as bright as a Broadway marquee flew past them. From this moment on, he believed in something more to the sightings that were reported in the thousands of every year. As one of the highest ranking and powerful job titles in the entirety of the US, Phillips was directly responsible for missions involving US spy satellites as the most intriguing officer involved in programs parallel to Project Aquarius.

36:11 When Phillips received the report from Cheyenne Mountain of an unknown object in the skies over the US, he became upset at the lack of interest the military seemed to have when an unknown and possibly alien craft was tracked through US airspace. So immediately requested that Project Aquarius focused their attention temporarily to a new target and his request was approved. 3 separate viewers and three separate chambers were individually given the coordinates of where the object originally tripped the fence and given the instruction to scan the specific area for anything out of the normal in the last 48 hours. When the drawings were eventually faxed to the Colonel's office and the Pentagon, all three showed slightly different versions of a rounded, wingless craft. Shortly after February of 1987, Phillips would invite a group of 17 top ranked military and government agency officials to a meeting in the most secure conference room in the Pentagon, known as the Tank Room, to announce the convening of a new working group that was vaguely described to the attendees prior to attending as something involving response to the increase of unknown aerial phenomena in the skies over the United States.

37:25 Once the secret meeting of highly important people began, the lights turned off and a projector screen lowered to allow Colonel Phillips to explain the purpose of their involvement in this new team. Over the next 45 minutes, the team was briefed on the events involving the fence, Cheyenne Mountain and the establishment of Project Aquarius, and when it was all over, Colonel Harold E Phillips welcomed them all to the official establishment of what was officially being called the Unidentified Flying Object Working Group. According to the two inside men that author Howard Bloom had contact with, the two official purposes of the newly formed Unidentified Flying Object Working Group as stated in his book Out There was quote To review and evaluate the information obtained by all previous official inquiries, both public and clandestine, into the UFO phenomenon 2.

38:16 To review and evaluate all attempts by the scientific community to search for extraterrestrial life 3. To review and evaluate selected sightings and other evidence of UFOs as alleged private individuals 4 At all times keep the existence of the Unidentified Flying Object Working Group's existence a secret from both government agencies and the public and five, its institutional life was to be open-ended as long or as short as was necessary to determine positively the existence of extraterrestrial life. All right, guys, UFO working Group. What do you think? They don't don't all. Speak. Sorry, I was just looking at the the chat.

38:58 Let's see bread pham 332, said Atrazine frogs. Jeff, what's that mean? Turning the frogs. Turning the freaking frogs gay, man. Oh, don't get banned from Twitch. It is man. It is. It is. It is. True, and another coin in the Alex Jones was Right jar. Yep, that's that's come out as a as factual. News. As fake space fake and gay. Shane's in here. I fly jetpacks bringing human all. Right.

39:38 So the UFO working Group was created in response to Project Aquarius spotting that object, tripping the fence and being tracked by Cheyenne Mountain. And what Project Aquarius was watching or what they saw was your typical flying saucer. So do you buy it? Yeah, man. I mean, I don't think the question, I don't think any of us really question are UFOs or flying saucers or or whatever like I think it's a phenomenon happening. I think the more the more the question is do you buy that the government was using project Aquarius? Sorry I forgot which one we were talking about for a minute.

40:21 To spot an aircraft and then created an entire program or working group. To literally look at all the backfill of every document ever presented to the government and to the private sector. Yeah, 1%. I mean, because, you know, it's always been my opinion that the, it's not the government that is doing like the real sketchy string pulling, right? It's the private sector, somebody some breakaway situation from the private sector, right? Maybe some government officials might, might know about it here and there, whatever. But so I think when the government started realizing like there is something that we're not aware of that's kind of out of our control, like let's figure out what's going on. Of course they they made programs to figure out what's going on because it wasn't them.

41:12 It was, it was Raytheon and Lockheed Martin's, you know, backroom stuff. So let's Wollens 1190 made a comment saying I think it's the government flying their new planes. Yeah, personally, I don't think so. I just don't. I think that like I said in a couple previous episodes, I don't think that the government nor the contractors would be able to complete completely keep it all hush hush. I just don't think it can happen. And your penalty of death. Somebody will leak that shit out. Yeah, yeah, people leak shit out all the time. Well, they did people, people always leak shit out. We just get labeled crazy.

41:54 You get ostracized. You know, some people get killed and and you know, it's just systematic and eventually it's just normal for people to look at it as crazy in society. But when you're doing my labs, right, because we, we don't even talk about my labs. We never really talk about my labs, the military abductions, right? And. And just talk about my labs in an episode. Well, we, yeah, we briefly touch on it. Like we always mention it as like a thing like I'm doing now, right. But we should do like a whole episode on it because I even think that the term my lab is just the wrong term. Because again, it's not the military. It's not a military abduction. It's like. Gov Labs. Gov Labs.

42:35 No, it wouldn't even be the government. It'd be con labs, contractor, con ABS contractor abductions, right? So yeah, it's not the military. I want to talk about what I'd researched today so bad, but I'm going to hold it. If they show up at your house or whatever, you know you're sleeping in the middle of the night and they show up in a freaking UFO with an actual alien. And if they created in a lab a chimera of some kind. Yeah, you're going to shit yourself. You're. Going to shit yourself, especially if it has some of these astral projection and remote viewing capabilities that we've talked about in gateway process. Because if you notice this probe, the other program was started the year after the Gateway process document was published. So they've already learned for the probably decade before Gateway process how to do all this shit in some backroom somewhere.

43:25 Then they publish this thing to the to the military and they're like, hey here, here's the deal with it. And the next year they come out with this program like let's use remote viewing to figure out what are these craft that we have now no idea what they are. Jeff Yeah. Scenario. You're laying in bed, you wake up and there's a Gray alien hovering over you. What are you going to do? Shit my pants. I'm going to clench my butt cheeks because. Shit my pants. They're known to put things up there. I'm going to get the Glock I was. Going to say then I'm immediately going to reach for whatever. Get the Glock and get it right in its big dumb face, big bulbous eyes and it's stupid mouth with no nose. Blow its brains out all over the ceiling and then we'll see what it's made of. Is it mechanical or or bio?

44:12 I don't know. So Wollen said that she would make them pancakes. But did you know that there is a famous Wisconsin story or incident where a farmer was given pancakes by alien beings that came out of a UFO we should cover? That one day, yeah, we should cover that one day. And he gave them his famous Wisconsin maid or family business syrup, and they didn't probe him. That's the only reason the aliens haven't blown the planet up. They have this treasure. No, no, the the aliens gave him pancakes. Yeah, no, but he gave him the syrup so they haven't blown up the planet.

44:58 Plus we have the Titus for butt holes in all of the universe and everyone knows that. Yeah, aliens are are flying around flying saucers eating pancakes without syrup. What if they're just here for the syrup? They might find out that the aliens came across the Galaxy. Well then, by the grace of God, we have Maple trees on our planet. I don't think they're from another planet. That's just me. I need it from here. Wherever they're coming. I think they like pancakes and syrup like everyone else. They just don't have syrup on their planet, so they got to come get ours. Well. Best place to get syrup all? Right. You guys ready to move on? Pigs clog you up.

45:38 What do you got? Yeah, Cup. I haven't really said anything in this section. Oh, we'll say things. You have a. Working group is interesting. It's in, but I don't know if I that can't do bus stuff when you're clogged up. Oh my gosh, that's from. I think that's from. Yeah, that's from my wife. The chat is fun this time. This is good. This is fun. The thing that you, you prompted me or prompted us in the beginning of this conversation was that do we believe that the government's put together a group to look at Uaps or UFOs and all of the evidence of them? And I forgot how you you put it.

46:20 And I would say no. It sounds like a bunch of baloney to me. Really. They just don't seem interested. I think they're extremely interested. I think that the US government has no fucking clue what what any of this is. I really do. I think that they do not have a single fucking clue as to. What's? Saying, but that's the problem. Is that why then in the congressional hearings, are they saying things like, we don't know for sure, but more will be explained in the closed hearing? Like, obviously they do. They know something they're just not willing to say because they want China to know that they have something capable of breaking the sound barrier without making any noise, nuking something, and being back home in 10 seconds. I think the same thing.

47:05 I I think that you're both right. I think that the government is now getting dripped some of the technology. Yes. From this breakaway, the shadow. Let's go just call it the shadow government. It's the easiest term for me in my brain. OK, No. You don't like that term. No. Whatever. I mean, the shadow government is a thing, yes, but that's not what's what's. Controlling this? You don't think that's what's controlling those? Nope. OK, fair enough. In my opinion, that's what's controlling them. Well, your opinion sucks. I'm going to say the shadow government is dripping their technology to the governments of the world now. And I think back in the 80s, they were trying to, the government was just getting their hands on remote viewing, right? And they were like, let's try to use this to figure out what that is.

47:47 And maybe it worked, right? Maybe, or somewhere from between then and now, it got to a point to where the governments are now getting their little bits of shit that they can hit China with or whatever they want. But. They don't have all of it. I, I agree that we're starting to figure it out. I, I think they, they know a little bit more than what they lead on. Like they have an idea. But when you're talking about like what we talked about in Part 1, right? We started off with the Foo Fighters in World War 2. They had no fucking clue. Then then we talked about grudge sign and Blue Book. And I think even during Blue Book they didn't have a fucking clue as to what was going on.

48:28 I don't think it was until, I want to say ten years ago that we didn't really know what was going on. I think they have a much better idea now, but I I don't. I don't think they know. I don't. I really, really don't know. I think I don't, but I don't think they know. You think you know? I think I know. But you don't think that the governments of the world know? Correct. I'm smarter than all of them. You. Don't think any of the astral projectors or. Oh no, they probably know they. Probably mote viewers or human clone genetic projects stuck in a bunker for their whole lives just focused on figuring out what it is.

49:09 You don't think that any of them know? No, no, no, no. I, I think there's people, there's people that know, there's people that know, but I don't think the government it, I, I think they're starting to know. Oh well I mean if you want to talk about the government as a whole like Congress. No listen if you listen to the last episode of shadow man Bon cast you would know I agree with you. They can't even take a screenshot dude. I've watched them in in real time, not know how to take a screenshot. They don't even know what the hell a bump stock is in Congress. Like they're they're worthless. Right on. What like. They think a pistol grip makes a gun automatic, like they're worthless, but but in the government like the big government. To to go back to the shadow government, though, I think that the shadow government is more about power than anything.

49:56 And I don't think that they really have a hold on technology like you think they do. I definitely think that they have first dibs on some of the best stuff that comes out. You know, I definitely agree there. But I don't think they're generations ahead of us. Yeah, I don't. I don't see that as the thing. I will say though that the my my true opinions on what UFOs are will come out on the Halloween special. Really bro? Yep, yeah, we'll be recording it probably within a month, but yeah. My opinions on UFOs will change 47 times between SO.

50:38 Yeah, you're right. Mine will say exactly the same because I may be ugly but I'm unflappable. Alright, you guys ready to move on? Yeah, Jeff, you know, you know I love you, right? Yeah. Very good Majestic 12A document stamped Top Secret in eyes only dated November 18th, 1952 titled Briefing document Operation Majestic 12 prepared for president-elect Dwight D Eisenhower began circulating among UFO researchers sometime between 1985 and 1987. This Majestic 12 that is referred to in this document is in reference to the group of high-ranking military officials and scientists whose sole purpose was to investigate UFO sightings and crashes. With this document being the tool written to convince President-elect Eisenhower to continue the accuracy of President Harry S Truman's non existent program that was established immediately after the UFO crash in Roswell, NM in 1947.

51:41 In this document there were 12 members listed as active members at the time. Admiral Roscoe Hillencoder. Dr. Vannevar Bush. Doctor James Forstel. General Nathan Twinning. General Hoyt Vandenberg. Doctor Detlev Bronk, Doctor Jerome Hunsaker, Mr. Sydney Sowers, Mr. Gordon Gray, Doctor Donald Manzel, General Robert Montague, Doctor Lloyd Berkner and a 13th member in replacement of Doctor Forstal after his death in 1949. A General Walter B Smith, a famous man within UFO circles by the name of William Moore, was the first to circulate this now famous document, but there have always been those that are weary of its authenticity. It seems that throughout the history of this document being released, various aspects of the many pages have been thoroughly scrutinized, such as the placement of the quote, UN quote, top secret and eyes only stamps. This single spacing, the type of paper, the headers, fonts, and even the most important, the signature of President Harry S Truman, which deniers believe was a signature cut out of another document of his and photocopied onto the MJ 12 documents due to it looking exactly alike down to a slight smudge near the signature.

53:00 When 2 agents of the FBI showed up to the Pentagon in 1988 to ask for assistance from the DIA, they were there to ask for assistance in their investigation. Have a handful of questions. One, how did someone steal these top secret documents? Two, who stole them? Three, where did they steal them from? And four, were they even real? The FBI was not the official holder of the documents, but when such documents do go missing, the FBI is the agency responsible for investigating the occurrence. But even the FBI at the time didn't know if the Majestic 12 documents that were being circulated were even real, as there was no official record of the group ever existing. All the agents knew was that orders had come down and they were to investigate.

53:44 No more came into possession of these incredible, if real documents by way of a payment of service to the secretive man known to him only as the Falcon. For his reconnaissance of a man by the name of Paul Benowitz and his work on a project referred to as Project Beta, where he was trying to prove the existence of alien contact and proof of the United States Government's treaty with the entities. The document came to Moore in the form of a role of undeveloped film, which was originally received by his associate producer Jamie Chandera, who received it after it was dropped through his mail slot by an unknown person. This mysterious Falcon character has since been considered to be a high-ranking official from one of the many different government secret organization known as The Aviary. Majestic 12 stands as one of the only possible real government leaks of a completely secretive group that was never meant to break the seal of publicity.

54:41 It also stands as the only group in the presentation that may not actually have existed. But plenty of evidence does point to this organization being legitimate. So people who are listening, just so you know, I kept the Majestic 12 section brief because I have already begun doing an entire episode on Majestic 12. Jake, you ever heard of Majestic 12? No, but it should be a movie like The Hateful 8. Fair. Whatever, Jeff, you know, Majestic 12. Come on. Yeah, and there's, there's like there are movies. In fact, there's like a documentary on Netflix.

55:22 I don't know if it still is, but there was a documentary on Netflix. It wasn't very good. It's alright. But yeah, Majestic 12, to be honest with you, I kind of tuned out while while you're doing that because I posted a couple of things in the chat and stuff about Twitch, but I'm stoked about that episode. I'll be into that one. Oh yeah, Majestic 12 is going to be solid. I mean, there's a lot of people that blame the whole Men in Black phenomenon on Majestic 12. Basically the the the the real gist of the concept of Majestic 12 was that they were a secret government agency meant to keep the peace and do some research on UFOs and their interaction with humans. So that would cover things like alien abductions, just sightings in general.

56:10 So is Hollywood just a, a, a subset of the government that's just screwing with people trying to get them into thinking that all these programs are just like, are just fun and just like, they're just movies and they're just stories, right? We got Men in Black. We've got was it the the 4th Kind and all those other movies talking about Alien like sightings, abductions and contact and things like that. It's just it turns out Hollywood is just a sub sect of the US government where they're just trying to show everybody like, hey man, it's nothing. There's nothing going on, man. It's stare at goats. Come on bro. There's a long history of the CIA in like, you know, actors and musicians and a lot of back when like MK Ultra and and stuff was happening, a lot of the musicians and actors were getting involved with people that were, you know, one step removed of these programs and so on and so forth.

57:10 Right? Yeah, there's a whole thing about that. But of course there's part of it is like the Mockingbird media, right? That's your like fake news, your mainstream media where the CIA is like handing out scripts. Like here's what the news needs to portray. Here's the main narrative that we need to stick to. Of course we can biker amongst each other about this and this to cause division, but here's like the main narratives we stick to. We can cover. Pointed out that one time where it had all the main media personalities all reading the exact same line or the exact same sentence. And then you have also the CIA involved in pop culture with things like introducing like gangster rap right into into communities. And you know, all just just a long history of this man. Like of course, the government or the pop culture is just the arm of the government.

58:05 It's a propaganda arm of the government just like any other country. If you think about it, when we look at North Korea, right, we all see like they're everything is very propagandized to be very pro Kim Jong Un, right? And like this whole Korean government thing. And it's like an extreme version, but we we live in the same type of thing here. Even though we think we're free. It's just a very like, I don't know how to explain it's it's very blend. It's blended very well into the culture to so you don't really notice it so much, but it's the same thing is still happening here. We need to do a we need to do an episode on Project Mockingbird. Yeah, a lot of people think that's bullshit, but that's been proven to be real. 100% real. The CIA legitimately had an entire program created to control the narrative with media outlets. You know, it's called Project Mockingbird. Oh yeah, absolutely 100%.

58:59 Project Mockingbird's not dead. I believe it. There's there's compilations of news anchors saying the exact same thing and even trying to use the like those say different words but use the same phrases like hooks. And there's like long compilations. We've all seen them, and the most. Different words, but they're all synonyms, yeah. Yeah, the the most recent one I could think of is at the DNC. It's electric, right, The electricity, right. All of the reporting was like, yeah, it's electric in here, right? It's electric. It's electric. And the more that I heard it, I saw like the this compilation of them saying it's electric. And then I remember not to get into, I know we're on the we're not on the other show here. But you know, everybody kind of knows how she is now the Democratic nominee, right?

59:43 And what that process looked like going into it. And some people are cool with it, some people aren't. That's up to you. Whatever. But electric, electric, it was a trick election, right? Some people are going to get on to that. The conspiracy theorists are going to jump on to this. Just mark my words. I promise you, I'm not saying this. I'm just saying this is what's going to come down the pipeline. So just be ready for the. The word game there. Yeah, it's going to be some queuing on shit. I think the, the one that I haven't watched anything from the DNC yet, I don't care. But the one where saying that JD Vance and Trump are weird and every single Democratic news media which is on, on that it's they're weird, they're weird, they're weird, they're weird, they're weird. And I don't know, you know, it just, it's hard to say because I'm not there.

1:00:34 But when I think a specific party controls the funding for another government or group, you'll see that you'll see that narrative being pushed or whatever it is. I don't, I don't think that the right or the left that they're squeaky clean of corruption and all that sort of stuff. I think it's more along the lines of it's all in the same boat as far as corruption goes. But you'll see those same narratives going on and on and on and on and on. And it's just like, so yeah, I I definitely think that they're still doing that today where the, the media controlling and all that sort of stuff well and said, so we can be unburdened by what has passed and passed what's been unburdened.

1:01:22 Unburdened. What has been? Yeah, Anybody listening like Jeff had posted there in the chat, don't click on links in the chat, please. That that is not a link by us. Don't. Don't click that. Yeah, you'll get into your occasional bot so. Yeah, cool. Well, I have two very small sections left, two smaller projects to talk about, and then we're done. All right guys, ready? Yep, Yep, all right. First one is Project Twinkle. On October 24th, 1948, Ellen Peterson reported witnessing a green object in the sky over Phoenix, AZ. Soon after, another report with the same description came. In November of the same year.

1:02:06 Another was submitted by 4 separate people on December 20th, 1948. They were all reporting green glowing objects accompanied by green streaks and green flashes. In response, the Air Force attempted to establish Project Twinkle to investigate reports specifically about green objects in the area by way of observation and photographs, but it never took off and was cancelled after two years, and the official statement was given that the objects were likely natural in origin. These reports were then handed off to Project Sign and are now obtainable within the archives of Project Blue Book. More about the green balls of light in the sky of the Southwest in future episodes of Infinite Rabbit Hole, as there is plenty to talk about when it comes to Project Twinkle and the Green lights.

1:02:49 Project Stork. Originally a classified study on Soviet technological warfare abilities, Project Stork would add a secondary task to be carried out by the Battelle Memorial Institute in Columbus, OH. Battelle was tasked with looking at all 3201 cases from Sine, Grudge and Blue Book with two separate sets of eyes. The first set of researchers would be given one report at a time and would be asked to categorize each under either balloons, astronomical light, phenomenon, birds, clouds or dust. Insufficient information, Psychological, unknown and other. Then another set of researchers would look at the same cases 1 by 1, and if they chose the place to report into the same category as the previous group, then that case would then be solved and discarded from the pool of still unknown objects.

1:03:43 This of course, was different for those labeled unknown or other. The findings of Project Stork were published as Special report #14 of Project Blue Book and were met with an overwhelming amount of criticism. There are also a lot of unanswered questions with what number report it actually was, with many claiming that it was instead Project Blue Book Status Report 13, with others claiming that the Project Stork report not being included in the Project Blue Book special or status reports at all. All right, so I know those ones were brief, quick to the point. Project Twinkle will be talked about later on. I couldn't. I had to stop myself there because I would have just written a whole another episode on Project Twinkle and we would be here a lot longer.

1:04:28 So I didn't. I kept it really short for you. You're welcome. I'm curious who does the names for these projects because I want to submit project butt stuff for the next alien one. Because I mean it doesn't even matter. By the time it gets released in like declassified we'll all be like evolved to where we're laying eggs anyway so it doesn't matter right? So. Cute. Yeah. That's. That's cute. Appreciate it. Yeah. It's just, you know, it's kind of a waste of money. Definitely in some. In some, it's just money laundering. Of course, they're just like, it's All Star program. Oh, there's green lights in the sky.

1:05:09 Hey, we're going to need like, however many. I don't know, I wonder how much money funded Project Twinkle when they just wanted to. What are they going to do, study this with observation and photographs? Yeah. You and everybody else, douche, you know, So. Yeah. How many, how many 10s of millions did you get approved for to do that for two years, you know? Yeah. I think there is. Something going on, but there's an. Awful amount of money laundering and garbage going on with it. All these projects, they all need funding. Like Jeff was just saying, someone's going to get the funding. Like, hey, man, you know, you're our photographer. We're going to hire you for this. You pitch us half and we'll give you $10 million. You put 5 million in my bank account and we got you. Yeah, it's not that simple, obviously. But you know.

1:06:00 There's ways. There's ways to make that happen, but. Yeah, that's what that is. That's what a lot of these projects are. But I do think that there is just kind of going back to some of the previous sections a little bit. You know, I do think kind of what I was saying earlier, they figured out how to do a lot of this like crazy woo woo stuff throughout the 60s and the 70s and maybe before that they might have been working on it too, I don't know. But in the 80s and 84, I think it was Gateway Process gets published, right? That's that gets sent to what was it Army Intel operations or something like the head of Army Intel, right? So at that point, a year goes by, boom. The first project you talked about starts right on this and then this episode at least.

1:06:47 So at least that kind of tells me, all right, that information got like disseminated somewhat and now some programs get started and boom, they figure out what's going on. And then like we were talking about earlier, now the government's kind of have an idea what's going on. There's maybe they're working on some of their own stuff now, you know, they're getting driven some of this information. If I remember, what was the name of the project you were just talking about? The one that we covered the the ones, the Army Intelligence gateway. That's right, Gateway Gateway. Was. A cahoots with CIA wasn't it wasn't the CIA but they used the Army Intelligence Division for for it was the Monroe Institute CIA. And yeah, some people from Army Intel, right? But obviously everything's on need to know. But that Gateway process document that we're reading from in those episodes was the analysis and assessment of the gateway process.

1:07:46 Yeah. And it was which we need to finish. We do need to finish. It was. That group of. People that we just talked about basically telling the head of Army intelligence, I think Army Intel Command is what it was called. I might be wrong on that, but boom, he would. They were basically telling them, hey, here's all this shit, here's how it works. Yes, it's real. It's not so woo, boom, here you go. And then, like I said, a year later, they're using it to look for UFOs. We do. Need to do that. We need to do it, Jeff. We just have to figure out. We have to go back and figure. Out where we left off and we just need to finish reading through it. I guess we just got to start from the beginning again, yeah. We're not. If we're going to start from the beginning, we're not going to read through it because that's.

1:08:28 That's my numbing. We have to need to. Nope, it's the law. Yep, it's. Not have to well. All right, so I'm going to do something a little different right now. So those listening, if you are not part of the live presentation, I'm going to cut you off right here. We'll be back in 2 seconds to finish up the episode for you. And now we're back to the audio only version. So if you weren't here for the live chat, you don't know what we said because I cut it out for you. Yeah, we're going to do that at the end of every live. Episode we're going to. Talk about something that only live people get to hear. Yeah. Yeah, we got to try to get you out here somehow.

1:09:09 Anything else gentlemen? Is this the? This is Part 2 of 2. Yep, part two of two, just as a. Recap, though, for those that weren't here last week, I announced that we will be diving into most of the topics that we discussed today and last weekend in full in other episodes or upcoming episodes of The Infinite Rabbit Hole. So this is basically like a introduction to U.S. government UFO programs. We're going to dive into each one of them eventually throughout time. Some of them which I have already started diving into, but yeah, this was just kind of like a brief overview of what you can expect in the future. So this is basically our final thoughts. This is it.

1:09:58 All right, so my final thoughts haven't changed at all. Now I don't know if it's mostly spiritual, mostly man made craft, inner earth stuff. I don't know what it is, but the idea of anything coming from outer space is just asinine to me. It's just it, it just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense what how they could have the technology travel thousands or millions of light years and they still need landing lights or you know, aircraft lights. It just doesn't make any sense. It it way more points out to craft here on Earth, which they have to kind of go with the same types of light fixtures and things like that as everywhere else, even if they're super fast. Now that being said, it could be spiritual like Jeremy said last episode.

1:10:49 It could be biologic, right? There could be atmospheric animals like we see with the rods and what not, which, you know, we do know that there's animals here on Earth that have bioluminescence and stuff where they create their own light. So in that sense, I I suppose like it, it, it makes sense, right? Like, or it could be like the Nope alien, you know, it doesn't. There could only be one or two. You know, I don't know what the life cycle is, whatever, but it is interesting the US government getting so deep into basically what's out there and how to find them and how to search for them and how to to research them and all that sort of stuff. But I definitely believe, especially in the light of what's going on today around the world, without getting too heavily political, that like we said in the last section, that it sounds like an awful lot of money money laundering where it's just some BS type project where they could final millions of dollars into it, say, well, we didn't find anything or we found a one or two things, right? If we're really doing our homework and our due due diligence and then funneling that money elsewhere. So it really has left me in the exact same spot as when we started.

1:12:12 And I have gosh, like if the if the aliens from was it Peru from earlier this year or late last year? You talking about the Virgina? Yeah, the little. Tiny ones, you talking? About the Virgina, Brazil. Brazil maybe with the red ones that were toxic. And killed that officer, No. No, no, I'm talking about the actual like in the. News The oh, oh, yeah. Peru, Peru, Peru, Yeah, yeah. We would have to have proof like. That or an, A live specimen for me to ever agree to the idea that these things are from another planet, they're biologic from another planet or whatever it is. But as it stands right now, I mean, you're just not going to convince me.

1:12:56 Could you even believe that at this point though? Because. They have genetic editing technologies that are like in the public now, right? Like CRISPR technology and stuff like that. So if they rolled out like some alien, literally an alien, and they're like, this is some unknown DNA, Oh my goodness. Like, could you even still fully believe that it's from another planet? No. Well, that's the problem is that. Yeah, they. Have CRISPR gene editing or they say that they do, but as it stands right now I haven't seen anything definitive to show, hey, this is something we created using CRISPR gene editing like they want to make bring back the mammoths and all that sort of stuff. Well, they don't have them yet right and even then it's only another type of elephant with some DNA from a a mammoth, right or whatever it is. So it's just like I don't we don't have enough to where something.

1:13:51 Like that would be. Absolutely obvious or whatever it was to where I'd be like, oh, shoot, that's something that they made in CRISPR or using CRISPR rather, instead of, you know, that's something alien or whatever it is. But even still, I would probably be more under the belief that it's something from some island we haven't discovered yet, some unknown animal or whatever it is versus an alien being. So I, I suppose you're right, but I don't, especially with the rise of AI, I mentioned probably the last episode, like I've had to abandon all of those Bigfoot Facebook pages I followed because they're flooded with just stupid AI images.

1:14:36 And it's even worse because you get into comments and people are like, wow, how'd you get all 20 big feet to stand still like that for the photo? And it's like, you're an idiot, you know, type stuff, You know, it's just like, I don't even know if we could see something these days, like a news report of an alien spacecraft coming down and we wouldn't immediately be like, all right, well, that's AI generator or that's CGI or whatever it is. This is previous, previously recorded, edited, all that sort of stuff like a movie. And they're just playing on live TV to try to get cooks to scare out of people. This is exactly what I was saying about Project Bluebeam. Might not actually have to be holograms and and so on and so forth.

1:15:16 They could literally just be an AI generated broadcast that's just forced out to every smartphone device on the planet. And if everybody on the planet's forced to watch this, this fake alien, whatever, right experience and then the grid goes out after, well, that's what happened. It would be very similar. To. War of the Worlds When the radio broadcast came out, there was mass hysteria from people tuning in after the announcement saying this was Orwells War of the worlds. And then, you know, they, they throw that out and they start doing the reading and it sounds very similar to A to a reporter, the narrative that they had. And then people start tuning into the radio after the, you know, hey, this is from the book War of the Worlds, thinking that this was actually going on, that aliens were invading because they heard news broadcasters type voice. Oh my gosh, the aliens, they're coming out of the ground and oh, they're vaporizing everyone and all that sort of stuff. And there was mass hysteria.

1:16:22 It could be just like that, except visual. So I don't know. I think it was HG Wells, by the way, I don't. Think it was. George Orwell. Yeah, Orwell. Not the popcorn guy. HG. Wells. Kind. Of reverse a little bit just to fill anybody in that's listening and you may or may not know what CRISPR is. CRISPR is a gene editing technology where they use a protein called CAS 9 to basically act as scissors and cut DNA and then they can basically paste them. So it's a way for gene altering. You know, Jake and I were actually kind of cover it very, very early in the infinite rabbit hole and we ended up never covering it but that's it in a nutshell. Yes, Jeff, that that's just like the public stuff. Right.

1:17:17 And this is this is another one of those like coin goes to the Alex Jonas right jar, because I remember like 10-15 years ago he was talking about like they're making climeras, they're making climeras and people are like you're crazy. And if you look up, you know what that is. What he's talking about is like that there are programs where they're splicing and mixing DNA to create new life forms. And they're making mutants. Yeah, they're making mutants and they're. Doing this in labs right and. Most of them are nothing. Most of them are just like one or two cells. They're just watching what happens. But somewhere in some lab that must be advancing to some level where something must be walking around on 2468 legs, however many it is.

1:17:58 And like, yeah, it's crazy. And it's that ended up coming out like there are articles. And like. There are chimera programs, and in the US there's laws against doing some of this stuff, but like in China and other places, there's not, right? So like, who knows what they're creating underground? You know what I found out yesterday? And I got really upset about that. The Netflix show Inside Job is officially cancelled. It's been cancelled for a year now. And I didn't know that I was pissed, but the character Glenn Dolphin, who is AI believe he's army general he he's a dolphin, right. So he George Dolph man, it's a plan words, but his character is directly in our it. It's using CRISPR cast 9.

1:18:48 That's what they're talking about. When, when that character is that that's the characters built. He was crispered into being half dolphin, half man. Yeah. Yeah. You talking about that cartoon? Yeah. The one that has like. Big. Feet and man. Yeah, watch the new season. That's a bummer, but you know, but people who have. You know, and I don't know how much of this is real or not. You'll probably find out more in your research, Jeremy. But like in the my labs, right, the military abductions, there's claims that some of these Climera projects were being used as the aliens to abduct people. That's why I wasn't even just using that as like a random off example. Like there have been people claiming that that's what they're doing.

1:19:33 So a lot of people don't understand how connected all this. Shit is I fully agree or not that I agree. I've also heard that CRISPR CAS 9 has been used or CRISPR has been used to create alien being chimeras and be used for my labs. One of which when I mentioned during the aliens, Owls and UFOs screen memories episode that I said I could do another episode on it. One of the topics I was going to talk about were chimeras between humans and owls. That potentially could be something that the the My Lab program. Was using and the reason why hypnotic regressive patients or victims of alien abductions see owls all over the place. Let's see.

1:20:29 Hey, one other thing. Oh, that's right. The you guys were Jake had a long time ago mentioned, is Hollywood just making movies for us to think that everything's a joke? Well, my comment there was yes. And we know that they know how to do it because they filmed the moon landing. Stanley Kubrick. Yeah. So we know they know how to use a camera. Well, they definitely know how to use cameras. What's a predictive programming for? In my opinion, that's mostly predictive programming. I think that I think there's really 2 elements to it in the Hollywood thing. To go back to that, I think part of it is predictive programming where there is elements of like the CIA and the Mockingbird media and they're like, they're like seeding the population with certain ideas so that they can push narratives and blah, blah, blah, blah. Right?

1:21:22 Predictive programming, boom. I also think that there's some people when they get into these flow states, I talked about this 1000 times. When you get into these flow states, you do. I don't know if you want to use the word like or given information or like you. Some people say that they reach the Akashic records or whatever the case might be. But when you get in these flow states, things happen like creativity happens. Information is given to you. And I think some of these directors when or writers when they're in that flow state, writing these scripts out, some of this higher information of things that are actually happening gets, you know, seeded into what they're writing. You know what I mean?

1:22:04 Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm done with. My list of things I wanted to circle back on. Jeff, what did you think of the series on UFO programs in the government from the 40s to the 90s? That's pretty all right, you know. That was good. I'd like to get into each one of them a little more, right, because this is like the stuff that I like to think about. I'll tell you the the two that you can expect. First are going to be Foo Fighters and Majestic 12. Those two are are well into the research already. Foo Fighters is cool. It's really fucking cool.

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