Sept. 10, 2024
182. US Government UFO Programs: 40's - 90's Part 1
The US Government has had a steady interest in the subject of Unidentified Flying Objects in the skies of our planet. So much so that there were a plethora of programs created by various government entities to try and solve their mysteries. Today we dive into these historic programs and dissect the basics of each before presenting almost all of them in their own individual episodes in future episodes. Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole! InfiniteRabbitHole.com
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The history of unidentified
flying objects in the skies over
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the United States is plentiful.
Seemingly since the
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establishment of our country, we
have been kept company by an
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unknown presence acting as a
watchful eye in the sky that to
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this day seems to keep just
enough distance away from us to
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keep its identity anonymous.
But that hasn't stopped us from
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trying to find out who or what
they are.
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They come in many different
shapes, sizes and designs.
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Saucers, bright lights, cigar
shaped and metallic spheres,
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orbs of light green streaks or
even a flash.
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The truth is that we have no
idea what is happening in the
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space above our heads and where
there is a mystery, there is
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someone trying to solve it.
For the mystery of the
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Unidentified Flying Object, or
more recently referred to as
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Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon
in the skies over the United
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States, that searcher is Many
private organizations from
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around the country keep their
eyes glued to the skies for
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slightest of sightings, giving
them a sliver of evidence.
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When one new entity pops up, it
usually means the end of another
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one, with a constant game of
superiority constantly going
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back and forth.
However, there are quite a few
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that have stuck around for a
long time and show no signs of
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stopping in the near future, But
one stands about the rest, one
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not of the private sector.
This would be the United States
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government and no matter the
form, whether it comes in the
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shape of the United States Air
Force, the Central Intelligence
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Agency, the Defense Intelligence
Agency, the Federal Bureau of
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Investigations, or some unknown
entity under the governmental
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umbrella, the fact is that they
have watched the skies just as
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long as civilians.
We have dedicated an incredible
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amount of time, effort, money,
and people to the search for the
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truth.
The projects are many and the
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search is always ongoing.
Today we dive into the basics of
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UFOs and the government.
Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit
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Hole.
Present 1985 Future Past.
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Prior to this point in time,
somewhere in the past, the
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timeline skewed into this
tangent, creating a Wall Street
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in 1985 alternate to You need an
Einstein reality for everyone
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else.
Welcome back to the Infinite
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Rabbit Hole, everybody.
I am your host, Jeremy, and
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today we're going to dive into
some of the lesser known and
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well known government UFO
programs, specifically from the
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40s to the 90s.
Gentlemen, gentlemen.
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As in Jake and Jefferson.
Using.
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His full name, huh?
Yeah, his full name.
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That is not my name, but I'll go
with it.
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It's your name today, Jefferson.
How are you doing?
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I'm good buddy.
How are you doing?
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I'm.
Good, good.
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What'd you do today, man?
I went fishing this morning and
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then I took a nap and then I
played some battlefield and then
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I got a milkshake.
Watching NASA make sure they're
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not not doing.
So I would never watch.
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I would never watch NASA, man,
Why would I ever do something
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like that?
They're totally trustworthy and
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everything they've ever done is
100% legit.
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They're definitely not
laundering billions of dollars
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or anything like that, you know?
So I'll tell you.
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I'll tell you a funny story.
I I went out and bought some of
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that Tactus Squatch coffee for K
cups.
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Oh, yeah.
I didn't know it was a dark one
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or a dark roast.
Was not ready for that.
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You got to read the labels
sometimes on things.
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It is what it is.
I know reading's not your.
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I love dark roast stuff.
I drink whatever I drink, but
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it's always dark roast.
Yeah.
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Speaking of Jake.
What's up dude?
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How was your cup of coffee this
morning?
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It was good.
It was good.
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It was dark.
And then I put about a gallon of
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Creamer in it so I couldn't
taste it anymore.
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You know, I could taste with
sugar.
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So it was pretty decent.
And then me and my wife went and
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joined my friend Jeremy
actually, and his wife and his
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family over at the Pickle Fest
in Boyceville somewhere in my a
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Pickle fest shirt, which was
strange because for calling it a
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pickle fest, there was a single
booth selling anything remotely
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similar to Pickles.
And they're like, I was like,
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that's kind of weird.
You couldn't like, there's
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nothing here to do with Pickles.
Like no pickle foods of any
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kinds.
And they're like, yeah, we came
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here three years ago and we
started selling Pickles here
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because we noticed the exact
same thing.
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It's a very strange festival to
go to where there's nothing
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related to Pickles.
So I'm like, OK, but is a good
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time.
I watched the parade.
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Jeremy's daughter was in the
parade.
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So that was cool then.
And then I came home and do the
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dishes, took a nap, we cleaned
out the chicken coop, and now
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I'm here.
Yeah, I was expecting like, I
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don't know, at least like a
pickle cake or.
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Fried Pickles something.
Fried Pickles.
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Pickle.
Brats.
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Yeah, pickle chips, just like
something.
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There was nothing.
There was a lot of cars in the
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parade with Pickles scrapped to
them, but.
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Other than.
That and there was nothing
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really pickly about Pickle Fest.
It's.
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Very strange.
I will say, Jefferson, I will
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say that the parade was much
better than it was at UFO Days,
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so we're going to have to work
on that.
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No cheese throwing though.
I was going to say, is there any
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assault cheese?
There was no no assault cheese
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this time, which was
disappointing, but we did get
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assaulted by plenty of candy.
And then, gosh, what was the
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other thing?
The other thing?
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The other thing, The thing.
Now.
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Well, I can't remember.
Show, show everybody your beer
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tat man.
For all the people watching.
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Oh, no, yeah.
Everybody look how lanky this
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dude is.
He's like a freaking slender
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man.
He's really that tall.
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Thanks.
So there's a guy there that was
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selling beer taps.
So Jeremy was like, hey, let me
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get you one for your birthday
coming up next weekend.
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So he did.
So I got this Yeti beer tap.
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I actually went on to the
website to try to get you get
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you some but they don't ship.
So, oh, the Yeti Imperial Stout.
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Yeah, I'm not a big imperial
stout guy, so I probably
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wouldn't like it that much, but.
Still would have got it for you.
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Yeah, just to put it up on the
on the rack back here with the
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bat Squatch.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Well, Jeff?
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Yep.
Started up shadow band again,
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man.
I did.
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Man, why?
What's coming up it?
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Was a sleepy dude.
No, we so we have like kind of a
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new format.
We're actually not bringing or
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knowing what we're bringing for
the next week, right.
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So like it's kind of a surprise.
It's kind of like a hey, what
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did you learn or what did you
hear last week?
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Boom.
And then that'll just kick off
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the conversation because you
know, we don't script anything.
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We just kind of, we just wing
it.
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Just BSN, huh?
Yeah, just BSN and then we
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recorded like 3 episodes, only
posted one because we've been
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having like issues with Twitch.
People don't know streaming is
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hard.
I didn't get an invite.
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Well, you don't follow and have
notification bells turned on, do
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you?
No.
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I didn't get an invite to to
record with you guys.
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I'm, I'm sad.
Oh well, I'm sad, Jake.
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That's kind of messed up, man.
We like high value guests.
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You know, racist, actually.
All right, guys, we're going to
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jump into UFOs from the 40s to
the 90s, specifically the
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government projects.
Anything that you guys are
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looking forward to hearing
about?
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I have a couple things in the
back of my mind.
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I just want to see if you if you
hit them or not.
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We'll see.
I will.
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I also have a couple things in
the back of my mind and I'm
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curious as to whether Jeff will
hit them or not.
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Oh, I'll hit them.
Well, I'm curious if Jake will
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hit any of.
Them he hits all those things.
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I hit it.
Don't put a thing in front of
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Jeff.
He'll hit it.
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Let's go.
All right.
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You guys ready to jump into
this?
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Ready.
All right, World War 2 There is
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a common belief that the modern
era of UFOs came at the end of
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the Second World War when the US
dropped atomic bombs on the
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Japanese cities of Hiroshima and
Nagasaki in 1945.
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Some claim that it was in 1947
when Kenneth Arnold made the
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first report of the 9 saucer
plate shaped craft over Mount
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Rainier in Washington state
while he was piloting a small
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aircraft himself.
Although neither of these are
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necessarily wrong when
discussing the point in which
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UFO those began to show up in
greater numbers all around the
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world, they were far from the
1st events just prior to the
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bombings that aided in the end
of the World War, there was a
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threat in the air that kept both
allies and adversaries on their
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toes.
To many of this came in the form
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of balls of light that famously
became known as Foo Fighters
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with the first use of the term
coming in 1944, with the
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earliest sighting on record
coming on February 26th 1942.
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In response, investigations by
many of the governments in the
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world were initiated to try and
find out what these mysterious
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objects were, but nobody could
figure it out.
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When fired upon, the lights
would simply allow the round the
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pass through, or on some
occasions they would seem to
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absorb the projectiles.
Everyone thought that these Foo
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Fighters were secret weapons of
their own enemies, and figuring
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out their mystery had become a
temporary top priority.
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Author Keith Chester dedicated
the entire book to the subject
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of Foo Fighters and other
military encounters with UFOs in
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World War 2, titled Strange
Company.
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In this publication, he
ultimately concludes that after
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the war had ended, it seemed
that the Allies no longer cared
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about the phenomenon they
witnessed and were just happy
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that they were victorious.
Less than a year after the war
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concluded, the European sub
region of Scandinavia began
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seeing another strange
phenomenon in the sky that were
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being referred to as ghost
rockets.
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These ghost rockets resembled
the German V2 rocket in shape as
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they both shared the same cigar
shaped frame.
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This prompted the United States
to begin a brief study into what
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these objects could be due to EU
s s concern that this was a new
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Soviet technology.
But according to author Kevin D
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Randall in his book The UFO
Dossier, when the Soviet Union
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collapsed in 1991 and many of
their records became public,
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there was absolutely no mention
of any project regarding
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technology for either the Ghost
Rockets or Foo Fighters.
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Although there are no official
fancy names on file or in public
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circles for the brief programs
looking at these two mysteries,
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other than the two figured title
of T2 which was specifically
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given to the intelligence entity
tied to these programs at Wright
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Patterson Air Force Base.
They were however, the first two
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known investigations into UFOs
that the United States
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government invested time and
money into for UFO studies.
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But one man by the name of
Colonel Howard McCoy, who was a
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part of both studies regarding
Foo Fighters and Ghost rockets,
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was ordered to begin another
official investigation in 1946
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at the base he stood as
commander of in Dayton, OH.
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Previously referred to as Wright
Field, this installation is now
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known as Wright Patterson Air
Force Base and is one of the
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most mysterious, serious, and
intriguing military
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installations in the world.
Some of them put it on the same
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or higher tier than the famed
Area 51 in Nevada.
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The investigations were to jump
start a new wave of studies into
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the mystery of the Foo Fighters
and Ghost Rockets as well as a
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few other strange objects in the
sky in various parts of the
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United States.
One of the very first cases that
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this new team investigated was a
case in Virginia originally
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reported by a member of the US
Weather Bureau who claims to
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witness quote a disk like metal
Chrome object and quote shaped
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like an eclipse with a flat
level bottom and a Dome like top
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on three separate occasions in a
six month period beginning on
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April 1st, 1947.
This account would predate the
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famed Kenneth Arnold story where
the term flying saucer was first
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coined just shy of three months
and was even followed up by
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reports by other observers at
the same station in Richmond.
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All right, guys.
So World War 2 UFOs, Foo
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Fighters and Ghost Rockets, as
well as the discovery that
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Kenneth Arnold wasn't
necessarily the first one to
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describe a flying saucer.
I don't know about any of these
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here.
Foo Fighters.
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The only Foo Fighters I know
about is a band.
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Oh no, we I got a whole episode
ready to go in diving into Foo
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Fighters.
They're awesome.
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You're going to love this.
I mean, it's just like that.
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It's so perfect, right, That all
the sudden, well, I can actually
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not let me stop because I was
about to say something and then
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I thought about more information
that I know about.
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I was going to say it's
convenient that during World War
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2 is when like the sightings
start, right?
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But really that's not the case
because there's like ancient
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accounts of crazy shit happening
in the sky and, you know, flying
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objects and stuff, so.
This was just the, the, the
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starting line for the explosion
of them.
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Like, I mean, there's been
objects in the sky since, you
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know, yeah, forever ancient
times.
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This is just the the modern
explosion, if you would.
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But it is interesting.
Go ahead.
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Basically it seems that the
whole UFO phenomenon, like the
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major parts of it, the major
ports of it, relied heavily on
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humanity's ability to put things
into space, rockets, missiles,
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things like that.
So that's what really pushes me
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towards man made craft because
it didn't really take off, no
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pun intended, until until people
got the ability to put things
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into the atmosphere like the V2
rocket program, intercontinental
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ballistic missiles, things like
that.
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Now that's what they're seeing.
There's ancient stuff as well,
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and that's it could be a mixture
of it for sure.
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I mean, because before we could
fly and they're seeing things in
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the sky that aren't birds.
That's, you know, a problem, but
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I think that it's a mixture of
both spiritual phenomenon and
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man made vehicles mic drop.
It's just suspicious that these
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you know that they would be
spiritual at like what he's
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talking about.
Like most of these sightings
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that were that are talked about
in World War 2.
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I think those are are probably
man made.
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No, I agree.
Yeah, it's probably like the
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start of them getting their
hands on this technology, you
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know, that they're able to to
build these craft and that's why
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they were like, you know, like
the Nazi bell and all that are
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like the shapes that they are
and that they're made out of
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metal and these types of things.
Because sure, you know, I doubt
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that the interdimensionals have
like metal craft but.
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Right.
They're not using like some sort
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of nanotechnology that's way
more advanced than aluminum and
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steel, right?
Yeah.
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Yeah.
So Jeff, you like to talk about
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the the, the puppet masters
having technology that's far
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ahead of ours because they allow
certain levels of technology to
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trickle out.
Do you think that this is
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something that falls underneath
that same concept?
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Yeah.
I mean, these, you know,
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remember, we're talking about
World War 2, right?
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So we know that the Nazis were
building some crazy stuff.
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We were, I mean, we were all
building crazy stuff at the
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time, right?
We were trying to get his head
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as a head as we could with, you
know, flying craft and all that
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other stuff.
So.
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And we ended up taking a lot of
their scientists to do all the
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programs that further advanced
all of that crazy stuff.
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So there's no reason to think
that they weren't already using
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some of the crazy stuff during
the war.
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And that's what a lot of these
people were saying.
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Like, you know, a lot of these
pilots were seeing crazy disc
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craft.
And that was probably like early
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prototypes of I, I wouldn't even
say, well, yeah, it was probably
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Nazi stuff, but I don't even
know if it was like, like
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military, if that makes it makes
sense.
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It was like black budget Nazi
stuff, you know, dark program
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stuff that was still being
tested.
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I think that there was some
really weird shit in the skies
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in World War 2.
Now.
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I mean, I've got a, I've got a,
you know, a peek under the
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covers here because I started
doing research into an entire
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episode dedicated to Foo
Fighters, which I'm going to try
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to separate as much as I can
from this episode.
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Probably.
We're probably going to do that
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quarter one or quarter 2 of next
year.
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But there's some really, really
cool shit, man, Really cool
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shit.
Just to kind of go over one of
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the really strange phenomena
that were that were happening to
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planes on both sides.
You know, you had the the good
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guys and the bad guys from our
point of view, right?
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There were these little token
like things just like the size
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of 1/4 from the size of 1/4 to
like the size of like a sand
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dollar, right that were floating
in the sky and they would land
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on the skin of aircraft and melt
it and just burn holes right
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through them.
They would just fly through
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swarms of these things.
And then there were like people
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on on islands, right, that were
just bunkered up there.
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And there were just these silver
cigar shaped craft just flying
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over above the cloud cover with
absolutely no sound whatsoever.
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And there were no, no, like I'm
talking like a fleet of these
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things, like 100 or more of them
just flying over top speed just.
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I mean, like how, yeah, it still
doesn't change my, my thoughts
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on it, right?
Because like, how deep do you
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want to go?
There's there's theories that
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they had time travel technology,
right?
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That the Nazis could travel all
the time.
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So.
The Nazi bill was known, was
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thought to.
Right.
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And as I always say, as soon as
you or everybody said, as soon
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as you turn the machine on, as
soon as you turn The Time
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Machine on, like it's over,
because you can go forward, you
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can go back, you can figure you
can do all these things.
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So instantaneously they go from
having The Time Machine turned
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on to having fleets of UFOs,
giant cigar shaped UFOs,
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breakaway civilization,
technology from the future.
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Like that's possible if they
have that technology.
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You know what I'm saying?
Isn't the idea.
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Forget the guy's name.
There's like some physicist and
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he talks about, you know, that
that's the whole thing.
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It's like when The Time Machine
get or when time travel gets
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invented somewhere in the
universe, you can't travel back
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before that, but from that point
forward you could.
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Everything happens all at once,
right?
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So you now have access to what
you have in the future as long
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as you have access to the time.
Machine, I think.
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I think that's a really good
point for.
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That's a really good piece of
evidence for why we don't have
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that technology right now.
Just because we're not seeing it
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all right now at this moment,
Yeah.
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Or are we?
No.
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Well, times not linear, right?
You're just perceiving this
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moment.
You're living in the now that
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you that you're consciousness is
choosing to live in, right?
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Like how deep you want to go
there too?
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I want to go real deep dude,
give it to me.
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How much time you got?
You got a long presentation in
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your book.
Give me all 3 1/2 inches, dude,
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Let's go.
You know what I mean?
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We're going to page 5 of Google
tonight.
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But you know, you get what I'm
saying, right?
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Like, I know I'm just speaking
off the cuff here, but the idea
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that time is linear and like
that hasn't happened yet,
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that's, that's fake, right?
Like that's not real.
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What's real is that everything
is happening all at once, I
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think right now.
I think that if time travel was
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real, that you would see a major
world power.
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I mean, and you know, everyone
points at like, yeah, the, the
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police of the, of the world are
the United States and the Navy,
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right?
I don't think we are strong
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enough to prove that time travel
exists.
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I think that you would see
something absolutely intense and
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just absolutely incredible when
it comes to power, projection of
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power, everything when it comes
to time travel, because I think
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Jeff's right.
I think once time travel is
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established that it is invented
and now it is being controlled,
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I think that is a weaponry that
will easily get out of hand.
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I mean, they can literally
rewrite history and you would be
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living through it right now.
Yeah.
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Do you like whenever I talk
about breakaway civilization,
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what do you feel about that?
Do you think that that's like a
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thing just crazy talk possible?
No, No idea.
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No, I, I do think that there are
the puppet masters, right?
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I do, I I just don't think, I
don't, don't think that the the
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trickling of technology is a
thing.
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Absolutely not.
I believe that there are,
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there's slightly better
technology than what the public
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has.
And I don't think it's owned by
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any government military, right.
It's going to be the
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contractors, like Jake always
says, it's going to be the
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contractors that has the better,
that have the better technology,
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but they're not to the point to
where they're taking 90° angles
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at Mach 3.
You know what I'm saying?
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That there's no way we're at
that right now.
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Absolutely not.
I believe personally that some
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of these people back in like the
the 40s, fifties, I think that
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they were developing such
advanced technology then that
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they've developed in a breakaway
civilization.
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Like I honestly think that there
could be like human cloning,
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like space fleets, all of that
happening and we're, we're just
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here, we're just on or think of
it as like a, you know, like a
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prison planet.
You know, we're just information
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is tight.
We don't really understand or
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know what's going on outside the
atmosphere except for what we're
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told.
We're the Ant inside the Ant
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farm.
Basically.
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The they're the people that on
the outside that are controlling
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the whole thing.
Exactly.
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They could be whole clone
armies, just like in Star Wars.
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I mean, cloning technologies
definitely a thing and it's been
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around for a while.
And if it was, and it's been
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around in the public for a long
time, right.
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So it's like they could have
been doing human cloning back in
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the 50s.
They could have fleets of, you
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know.
I believe cloning is a thing
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that exists, but to be some
Alien Ant Farm, Yeah, there you
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go.
I don't think so because of a
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few things, right.
One, think of farmers, right?
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If if two of their animals don't
coexist very well, what do they
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do?
They separate them because they
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don't want to fucking kill.
They don't want them to kill
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each other, right.
If we're somebody's valuable
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objects, why would they allow us
to have nuclear weapons?
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And I mean, that is a good
argument when it comes to UFOs
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and the Malmstrom Air Force Base
and all the other nuclear shit
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that happens around these
strange things in the skies.
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But other than, you know, I
don't know, man.
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I didn't.
I didn't mean it like that.
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I meant it like the governments
of the world are so far
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separated from the citizens of
their countries that we only get
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what they're willing to give us.
In the same way ants in an Ant
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farm are sitting there getting
observed and Oh my gosh, master
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gave us a piece of bread today
type stuff.
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We only get the amount of news
that they're willing to give us,
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the lies they're willing to tell
us, all that sort of stuff.
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And then we have to speculate
further on that.
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And they're so far detached and
like on the outside doing all
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kinds of weird stuff.
We just have no clue.
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There is no such thing as the
modern government.
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It doesn't exist.
It's all tech companies now, and
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those tech companies want you to
buy their products.
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I'm not convinced nukes are
real.
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I think you're crazy.
People haven't said that before.
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Why?
Why aren't nukes real?
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I mean, I've never seen one.
I've heard about them.
453
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,600
I've had I've had Big Brother
tell me that they exist and to
454
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,480
be afraid of them.
I've heard it.
455
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,920
I mean, there's a lot of things
that I haven't seen, but I've.
456
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,520
Heard it used as a as a
propaganda tool for us to go
457
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,240
into war, right?
To spend trillions of dot to
458
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,360
launder trillions of dollars.
But I've never seen any like
459
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,440
actual evidence that nukes
exist.
460
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,120
I've seen evidence that huge
explosions happen, right?
461
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:33,640
Massive bombs exist, sure.
But like, do nukes exist?
462
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,640
I mean, I don't know, yes, could
just be propaganda as far as I'm
463
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,800
concerned.
I've never seen a hippopotamus.
464
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,560
I went to the zoo one time and I
heard a hippo was going to be
465
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,280
there and and it wasn't.
Yeah, and I'm sick or something.
466
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,320
I'm not, I'm not taking a hard
stance like on oh, I just if I
467
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,080
can't see it, it's not real on
everything.
468
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,160
I'm just saying like.
Never seen Mount Rushmore in
469
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,720
person.
There's a lot of propaganda for
470
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,040
the nukes, right?
And I'm just saying it'd be,
471
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,400
it'd be a real clever tool for
all the world governments or the
472
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240
shadow governments to pull
strings to just say, hey, look,
473
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,720
everybody's got these weapons
that could kill everybody.
474
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,920
Watch out.
Like, do what we say.
475
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,000
We got to pass some laws to
restrict your rights and privacy
476
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,160
all for decades and decades and
decades and spend trillions of
477
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,720
dollars for decades and decades
and decades.
478
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,000
Because watch out, there's this
thing that we tell you exists
479
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,440
that 9 or 10 other countries
also have.
480
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,800
Be careful.
Yeah.
481
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,400
All right, all.
Right.
482
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,680
Just like terrorism, just like
communism, just like you know
483
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,360
what's going to be the next
alien threat.
484
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:35,600
Just like certain microscopic
things that may have happened in
485
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,440
the last few years that I won't
get into.
486
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:38,920
Why not?
I don't know.
487
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,520
That's literally the point of
the show is to get into this.
488
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,520
Can't talk about that particular
thing on Twitch.
489
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,480
Oh.
Yeah, so you can't talk about.
490
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,960
That I was just saying that you
probably watch stream ended.
491
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,600
All right.
You guys ready to move on?
492
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,280
Yeah.
All right.
493
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,640
Let's argue further in the next
section.
494
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,320
Yes, these are the ones that
probably everyone's familiar
495
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,520
with.
Yeah, Projects Sign and grudge.
496
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:12,080
Then on June 24th, 1947, fire
equipment salesman Kenneth
497
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:16,520
Arnold While piloting his
private plane near Mount Rainier
498
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,680
in Washington state, Arnold
witnessed 9 luminary objects
499
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,640
moving at unbelievable speeds.
Kenneth Arnold would become one
500
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,920
of the most influential
experiencers in the history of
501
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,240
UFOs, all due to his famous
description of the craft and
502
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,360
their movements.
As a quote, a saucer skipping
503
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:39,360
across the water.
When this report was originally
504
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,320
received, it was picked up by a
wire service who distributed the
505
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,800
news to television, newspaper
and radio stations across the
506
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,400
country with the highlighted
term flying saucer, hence the
507
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,720
birth of the famous title used
in so many descriptions of
508
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,600
metallic UFOs in recent history.
It was three weeks later that
509
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,760
Kenneth Arnold would pen a
concern to the commanding
510
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,160
officer of Right Field in
Dayton, OH that we just talked
511
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,120
about Colonel Howard McCoy,
asking for a clear explanation
512
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:11,160
of what he saw that day.
Arnold's report was only one of
513
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,960
the first of many that came
flooding in in the form of
514
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,200
photographs, statements and
articles from all around the
515
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,200
country.
So much so that a problem arose
516
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,320
as there were far too many
reports and nobody delegated to
517
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:30,560
file or investigate them.
On December 30th, 1947, the CIA
518
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,960
announces the need for such a
project, and Project Sign was
519
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,720
born as a part of the Air
Technical Intelligence Center,
520
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,320
which was created as an effort
to better collect, evaluate, and
521
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,280
distribute reports to
departments that were better
522
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,200
suited if need be.
Official investigations as part
523
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,320
of Project Sign began on January
22nd, 1948.
524
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Every Air Force Base around the
country had a representative
525
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,680
attached to Project Sign in some
capacity and would be dispatched
526
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,520
to investigate sightings based
on their proximity to their
527
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,360
report.
If the event was big enough,
528
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,640
representatives from the main
branch for Project Sign and
529
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,720
Wright Patterson would be sent
instead.
530
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,360
After almost 14 months, Project
Sign reported its findings in
531
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,600
February of 1949 after
evaluating 243 sightings in the
532
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,160
US and 30 in foreign territories
in a report titled The Findings
533
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,760
of Project Sign Quote.
No definite and conclusive
534
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,040
evidence is yet available that
would prove or disprove the
535
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,720
existence of these unidentified
objects as real aircraft of
536
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,240
unknown and conventional
configuration.
537
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,840
It is unlikely that positive
proof of their existence will be
538
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,840
obtained without examination of
the remains of crashed objects.
539
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,760
But the project never really
ended.
540
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,960
Instead, on February 11th the
same year project Sign became
541
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,960
the new Project Grudge.
The main difference between the
542
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,840
two projects were mostly the
personnel and their point of
543
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,360
views on the subjects of UFOs,
where the people attached the
544
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,880
project sign were very
interested in finding the truth
545
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,120
about these aerial phenomenon.
Those that were newly attached
546
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,400
to Project Grudge were seemingly
willing to simply dismiss the
547
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,400
subject entirely.
Or maybe that was the entire
548
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,840
purpose of the new project, as
is one of the more common
549
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,680
beliefs for the reason for
Grudge's existence being that
550
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,960
their entire purpose was to
install a disbelief in UFOs and
551
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,560
any talks of alien beings in the
public to relieve the stress
552
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,840
that the Air Force was feeling
due to concerned citizens of the
553
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,600
United States.
According to author Kevin D
554
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,560
Brandl, the evidence of this
showed up in an article of the
555
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,520
Saturday Evening Post claiming
that UFO sightings were hoaxes
556
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,440
and misidentifications.
But this backfired and the
557
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,640
following week reports of UFOs
spiked.
558
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,760
In August of 1949, Grudge
published a report claiming
559
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,200
exactly the same, while also
mentioning that 23% of the
560
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,160
reports that have been
investigated remain unexplained.
561
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Quote reports of UFOs were the
result of misinterpretations of
562
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,320
conventional objects, a mild
form of mass hysteria, or
563
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,200
Wardner's and individuals who
fabricate such reports to
564
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,560
perpetrate a hoax or to seek
publicity.
565
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,280
It was the recommendation of the
project to reduce the volume in
566
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,280
Grudges presence and in response
the Air Force reduced the
567
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,680
personnel down to one man by the
name of James Rogers.
568
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,200
This was seen as the non
official end of Project Grudge,
569
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,240
although the project would
continue in minimal capacity
570
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,120
until late in the year of 1999.
Eventually, Grudge would then be
571
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,160
left in the hands of Captain
Edward J Rubel due to Rogers and
572
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,560
his superior officer making a
mockery of the reports that were
573
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,760
being turned into the Chief of
Air Force Intelligence, Major
574
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,120
General Charles Cabell.
Up until this point, the reports
575
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,240
that Rogers had received were
being filed away or not being
576
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,760
reported up the chain of command
any further than his superior
577
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,720
officer, General Harold Watson.
The famous Fort Monmouth
578
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,480
sightings began on September
11th, 1951 was a report that
579
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,280
Cabell discovered Rogers and
Watson were submitting false
580
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,800
reports from real incidents to
him.
581
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,160
This was due to many
high-ranking officers coming to
582
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,440
see him in person asking for a
response from Project Grudge.
583
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,880
When Cabell responded with the
information that he had from
584
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,880
Watson and Rogers, he was
furious to find out that
585
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,160
everything he was told was a lie
and that there were real people
586
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,320
with real concerning issues
involving national security
587
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,120
waiting for legitimate responses
and immediately relieved the two
588
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,160
from the project and inserted
rappel instead.
589
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,440
There may have been a lot of
drama and issues with sincerity,
590
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,720
but there was one enormous thing
that came with Project Sign and
591
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,280
Grudge.
In March of 1952, another
592
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,280
project was created that would
take a much deeper and more
593
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,080
intimate dive into the
phenomenon of the UFO, one
594
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,920
simply titled Blue Book.
All right gents, what do you
595
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,440
guys think of Project Grudge and
Project Sign?
596
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,800
This Kenneth Arnold guy is
something I looked at two years
597
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,840
ago, put out on the show.
Probably a lot, lot longer than
598
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,520
that.
I think that was talked about
599
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,720
first year dude.
Why I hate UFOs and stuff like
600
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,720
that.
And it was because of his report
601
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,880
where he didn't even say it was
a flying saucer.
602
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:28,160
He said it was a Crescent shaped
object and within he reported it
603
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,120
to the news.
The news said flying saucer and
604
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,920
then like 300 people came out
and said I saw the saucer too so
605
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,360
they're all BS ING and lying
about something they didn't
606
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,120
actually see because it wasn't
actually what he reported to the
607
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,960
news.
It was incorrect.
608
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,120
Yes, true.
But there were there were
609
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,880
objects that were described to
be shaped just like the modern
610
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:57,720
flying saucer described by that
meteorology program that we just
611
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,520
discussed in the previous
portion.
612
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,400
And during World War 2, these
Foo Fighters came in many
613
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,760
different forms.
They came in mostly balls of
614
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,080
light, but they were also
metallic disc shaped craft that
615
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,120
were also being reported
throughout World War 2.
616
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,159
So yes, there there were a lot
of people that came after
617
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,199
Kenneth Arnold that was also
like, yeah, I saw a flying
618
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,440
saucer as well.
That's the perfect description.
619
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,400
Most of them were probably BS
and if not all of them, but
620
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,840
there were descriptions of a
saucer like Craft plenty of
621
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,000
years before Kenneth Arnold did
his thing.
622
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:42,679
So here's the psyop that the
Fort Monmouth sightings
623
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,800
beginning on September 11th,
right?
624
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,120
And it's this submitting false
reports from real incidents,
625
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,360
right?
It's like the same thing that
626
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,560
happened on September 11th,
2001, right?
627
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,640
And then there was like false
reports of real incidents.
628
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,400
So some of these like Colts that
pull the strings, these shadow
629
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,240
government, you know, death coal
people like this is how they
630
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,640
signal, I think to people to
themselves really behind the
631
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,120
scenes is by doing stuff like
this, you know, like this, the
632
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,600
sighting, like the sightings
start on September 11th.
633
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,600
Like that's a signal right to
these people for whatever,
634
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,120
whatever that means to them.
The two pillars, like that's a
635
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,520
whole other thing, but.
I don't know.
636
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,120
I don't know what called you
crazy.
637
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,240
Oh.
Yeah, it does sound crazy.
638
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:35,360
It is crazy.
But even in like tarot cards,
639
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,880
like there's like the two, the
two pillars and there's like
640
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,480
things that, you know, have to
do.
641
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,600
Like it's all like a cult
symbolism and, you know, psyop
642
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,240
stuff.
But, you know, carry on.
643
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,520
I don't know.
It's a psyop.
644
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,840
Bro, I don't know.
I don't know.
645
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,720
I I will.
I I just want to be clear to
646
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,360
anybody listening.
These are brief descriptions of
647
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,200
these programs.
We will dive into most, if not
648
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,120
all of these programs much more
heavily in the future.
649
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,920
I We.
Lot of episodes right here.
650
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,720
Lot of episodes, lot of
episodes, these are all
651
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:15,560
preambles to full episodes that
will be coming out down the
652
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,560
line.
I mean, obviously Grudge and
653
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Grudge.
We just talked about Grudge and
654
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,240
Sign.
There's enough there to do like
655
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,760
a three, four part series on it.
Just those two along.
656
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,960
And then Project Blue Book,
which we'll discuss very briefly
657
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,080
here in a little bit.
Just because you know,
658
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,640
everybody's talked about Project
Blue Book at some point, that
659
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,960
will also that that project
alone could take 3 or 4
660
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,800
episodes, if not more.
Didn't you guys already do an
661
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,320
episode on Project Blue Book?
You and Jeff.
662
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,720
No project blue bean.
OK, yeah, my mistake.
663
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,400
Different things.
They both say blue, so it.
664
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,600
Sounds, yeah, but it's not
different things, right?
665
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,680
Project Bluebeam is this even?
It's even this is what I'm
666
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,000
saying.
It's even the the psychological
667
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,600
pre programming of people behind
the scenes, the Intel community,
668
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:09,920
right?
You got to pre program those
669
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,360
people before you can pre
program the rest of the
670
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,880
population.
Right.
671
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,640
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
672
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:22,080
I, I don't, I don't.
I do believe that Bluebeam
673
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,760
exists to a point.
I don't believe that it was even
674
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,520
thought about back in this time
frame in the 40s.
675
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,960
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
676
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,760
I mean you have to think like
the the whole blue beam.
677
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,800
Hold on.
Like Playbook, if you will,
678
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,680
right, involves incredible
technologies that just weren't a
679
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,760
thing in the 40s.
You want me to go ahead and get
680
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,440
on to the next section?
Sure.
681
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,880
And then you can come back with
that.
682
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Yeah.
All right, Jake.
683
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,880
You got anything else?
Go for it.
684
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:53,840
No.
All right, cool.
685
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,080
Various documents.
Sometime in 1948, soon after the
686
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,640
commencement of Project Sign,
the Air Technical Intelligence
687
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Center ordered a classified
extensive background
688
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,520
investigation into the
phenomenon of UFOs by way of an
689
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,800
quote estimate of the situation.
An estimate of the situation is
690
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,040
defined by the US Naval
Institute as a quote, a logical
691
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,600
process which, starting with a
mission to be accomplished and
692
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,040
taking account of all existing
conditions, leads up to a
693
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,200
decision which, when reached, is
seen to have resulted more or
694
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:33,200
less inevitably from the mission
and the conditions considered
695
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,600
together.
In layman's terms, it's a
696
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,280
problem solving process, now
referred to as MET T, an acronym
697
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,640
for Mission, Enemy, Terrain and
Weather, Troops and support
698
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,800
available and time available.
According to author Howard Bloom
699
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,600
in his book Out There.
The conclusion of this
700
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,080
estimation presented by the
previously mentioned Captain
701
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,880
Edward Rupal, who would later go
on to head Project Blue Book,
702
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,080
was quote the unidentified
flying objects or of
703
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,560
extraterrestrial origin.
When this was made the official
704
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,960
end statement of the estimate of
the situation, then Air Force
705
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,040
Chief of Staff General Hoyt
Vandenberg immediately rescinded
706
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,360
the statement due to quote lack
of verifiable proof.
707
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,160
The estimate was then destroyed
and never distributed.
708
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,760
In its place, the Top secret 26
page Air Force Intelligence
709
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:33,160
Report 100 Tech 2O3 Tech 79 was
released, titled Analysis of
710
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,680
Flying Object Incidents in the
US, highlighting more publicity
711
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,200
acceptable statements to the
previously mentioned quote
712
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,840
estimate of the situation.
It must be accepted that some
713
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,800
types of flying objects have
been observed, although their
714
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,920
identification and origin are
not discernible, in the interest
715
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,320
of National Defense, and it
would be unwise to overlook the
716
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,240
possibility that some of these
objects may be of foreign
717
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:00,360
origin.
End Quote.
718
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:06,200
On August 12th, 1954, Air Force
Regulation 200 Tack 2 titled
719
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,080
Release of Facts was issued and
signed by the Chief of Staff
720
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,160
General Nathan Twinning stating
quote.
721
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,800
In response to local inquiries,
it is permissible to inform news
722
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,040
media representatives when
objects are positively
723
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,360
identified as a familiar object.
For those objects which are not
724
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,800
explainable, only the fact that
the Air Technical Intelligence
725
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,800
Center will analyze the data is
worthy of release.
726
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,120
Due to the many unknowns
involved, we once again see
727
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,520
another notice showing up on the
desk of base commanders all
728
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,520
across the country on December
24th, 1959 with an official
729
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,200
reminder quote.
Unidentified flying objects,
730
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,880
sometimes treated lightly by the
press and referred to as flying
731
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,520
saucers, must be rapidly and
accurately identified as serious
732
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,040
United States Air Force business
in the ZI or Interior Zone.
733
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,080
Technical and defense
considerations will continue to
734
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,480
exist.
One of the earliest publicly
735
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,280
released reports ever on the
phenomenon of UFOs in the skies
736
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,200
over the United States by a
government entity was the
737
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,000
official CIA monograph, The
Investigation of UFOs, published
738
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,000
in 1961.
In 1975, the Strategic Air
739
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,320
Command released an alert
specifically referring to the
740
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,840
UFO presence around nuclear
weapons supply depots and bases,
741
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,440
which was now being looked at as
an act of aggression.
742
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,800
The first of these incidents
took place at Loring Air Force
743
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,200
Base in Limestone, ME, where a
reported unidentified helicopter
744
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,120
was spotted hovering over and
near the base for two days.
745
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,040
The multiple attempts by Air
Force personnel to identify the
746
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,240
craft was Knoll as the craft
neither had an IFF identify
747
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:55,160
friend or foe system, radio
communications, or had any
748
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,280
identifiable marks or
structures.
749
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,040
Shortly after, in the same week,
an incident that would become
750
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,600
one of the biggest events in all
of UFO history took place in
751
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,840
Great Falls, Mt at the Malmstrom
Air Force Base.
752
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:13,760
Quote at four O 5 Eastern
Standard Time SAC site L5,
753
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,280
observe one object accelerate
and climb rapidly to a point in
754
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,800
altitude where it became
indistinguishable from stars.
755
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,320
NORAD or the North American
Aerospace Defense Command will
756
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,520
carry this incident as a fate
Fusion analysts and development
757
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,680
effort remaining unknown at 3:20
Eastern Standard Time since
758
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,400
after that time only visual
sightings occurred. 2 weeks
759
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,640
later, another Strategic Air
Command facility in Mano, North
760
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,360
Dakota, another object which was
stated to be quote.
761
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,120
Bright and star like, passed
directly over to radar station
762
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,880
at 1002 thousand feet high.
In another incident in Grand
763
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,120
Rapids, MI, shots were fired at
an object that was described as
764
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,960
quote the size of a 2 1/2 ton
truck.
765
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,880
These and a few other incidents
eventually forced the then
766
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,320
commander in chief of NORAD to
send a briefing titled
767
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,440
suspicious unknown activity to
all units under his command.
768
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,560
Quote Since 28 October 75
numerous reports of suspicious
769
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,600
objects have been received at
the NORAD, COC, North American
770
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,400
Air Force Defense Combat
Operations Center.
771
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,760
Reliable military personnel at
Loring Air Force Base Main
772
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,840
Portsmouth Air Force Base,
Michigan, Malmstrom Air Force
773
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:40,040
Base, Minnow Air Force Base and
Canadian Forces Station Falcon
774
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,320
Bridge, Ontario have visually
sighted suspicious object.
775
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,400
The bases that were at the
center of these intrusions by
776
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,640
unknown craft deployed F1 O 6D
darts and various helicopters to
777
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,760
attempt identification, but all
efforts at ID of these craft,
778
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,200
both visual and other, had
failed.
779
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,080
Jeff, did you find what you were
looking for, bud?
780
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,680
Oh, Jeff left.
Nevermind.
781
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,560
That's pretty wild.
Yeah.
782
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,400
Yeah.
So we see basically the gist of
783
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,920
that section was that there were
a ton of memos, emails, official
784
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,800
script written and distributed
throughout various portions of
785
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,000
the military and U.S. government
that specifically identified
786
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:33,160
UFOs and the threat that they
they projected to certain
787
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,400
installations or people.
A lot, a lot of documents.
788
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,760
Jeffrey, what'd you get, man?
What?
789
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,800
Are you talking about what was I
looking up?
790
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,000
Yeah.
Oh, you were.
791
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,240
You were earlier.
You were saying that you didn't
792
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:48,480
think that the idea of Project
Bluebeam could have been that
793
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,960
old.
And I was like, well, I don't
794
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,160
know, man.
I I was looking up when Serge
795
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,800
Minas started talking about
that.
796
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,280
It was in the 90s.
So, yeah, you're probably right.
797
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:02,080
But you know, I, I still think
that I have a belief that these
798
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,560
people have been pulling strings
and doing things for thousands
799
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,920
of years.
So you know, the last 80 years
800
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,800
is like whatever, but.
Yeah, I, I don't disagree with
801
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,880
the thousands of years.
I think that's kind of been the
802
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,800
thing since, you know, like
serfdom and and kingdoms, right?
803
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,080
I think that's kind of always
been the thing.
804
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,000
I think that's going to be the
story as it's going to continue
805
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,760
until our extinction, you know,
and it's been the story since
806
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,600
our birth.
I just don't think that
807
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,600
something as advanced as Project
Bluebeam was being discussed in
808
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,160
World War 2.
Yeah, maybe not like to the
809
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,240
specifics as far as like
hologram projections and things
810
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,440
like that, but just the concept
of like switching the age and
811
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,720
changing the the religion and
changing the language and like
812
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,680
all of that, you know, into the
new the new age.
813
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,440
Like that's something I think
has been done repeatedly 100.
814
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,160
Percent totally agree with that.
But as far as like the direct
815
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,240
sightings and stuff, I mean, you
know, of course, like part of me
816
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:11,760
thinks that some of this for a
lot of this is probably human
817
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,000
made.
But the question is, is always
818
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,040
like, why don't I ever see this
stuff, right?
819
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,440
Like how can we never see this
stuff?
820
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,240
Just regular people don't see
this stuff.
821
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,320
It's always at like some
facility or some base or like
822
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,760
somewhere like.
You talking about UFOs Sir?
823
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,080
Except for Elmwood.
Well, I'm not saying that like
824
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,680
people don't see UFOs, but like,
I don't know, they don't just
825
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,920
show up like over the Super Bowl
or something where you can where
826
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,440
50,100 thousand people can see
this thing happening.
827
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,120
It's so.
There's there's two real big
828
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,840
public events and we're going to
cover each one of them at some
829
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,200
point.
The US over Los Angeles.
830
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,600
Phoenix Lights, did you?
Talk about the Battle of LA.
831
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,960
No, that was off the coast of
LA, but that's actually not even
832
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,440
one of them.
The Phoenix Lights was one of
833
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:03,880
the major ones, and then the
Washington DC crap that I want
834
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,560
to say it was in like the 60s,
maybe 62.
835
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,800
I thought it was 55.
Maybe it was in 55, but that
836
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,600
that come on, man.
That was right over Washington,
837
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,040
DC and it was reported for three
days straight.
838
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,720
People were seeing strange shit
in the sky over Washington DC
839
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,360
multiple days.
I mean they they were zipping
840
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:28,480
aircraft from a an Air Force
Base in North Carolina to chase
841
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,040
these fucking things.
People were reporting that they
842
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,840
were chasing like like Cowboys
and aliens dude.
843
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,320
But where's it at now?
You know, this is what I'm
844
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,360
saying.
I want to see, I want to see
845
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,520
something cool, man.
I want to wake up and and like
846
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,320
turn the news on or something
and be like.
847
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,800
Independence Day.
Yeah, like, holy shit, there's
848
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,240
like a mother ship over like Las
Vegas or something crazy, you
849
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:49,000
know, like.
Well, that that shit happened,
850
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,000
right?
We had aliens come into the mall
851
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,880
in Miami and they got fucking
brushed.
852
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,080
Underneath the rug?
No, dude.
853
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,640
That's not what happened bro.
I don't know, man.
854
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,720
I don't know.
That could be our Independence
855
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:03,800
Day right there.
Nobody knows about it.
856
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,040
Did we ever see the trailer for
that movie, whatever that was?
857
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,960
No, Stranger Things hasn't come
out yet, homie.
858
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:11,800
Jake, you're looking something
up.
859
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,000
What you looking up man?
The Phoenix Lights.
860
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,720
Oh dude.
Oh I love the Phoenix lights.
861
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,000
So interesting.
It has a lot of lights.
862
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,240
It is a lot of lights.
You should Did you watch it?
863
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,920
Did you watch the video?
No, no.
864
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,480
Oh, there's videos of it and
everything, man.
865
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,680
I mean, it's it's an absolutely
incredible subject.
866
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,320
It's not going to be a very long
episode when we do do it just
867
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,920
because most of it is actually
visual.
868
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,800
So that's going to be like one
of those whenever we get to
869
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,720
figure out how we can play a
video.
870
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,680
I think Jeff figured it out a
little while ago.
871
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,920
We'll have to like watch the
video and react to it.
872
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,840
That's how that's going to go.
It's not going to be, I mean
873
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,160
there, there's there's
definitely some stuff behind it,
874
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:53,520
but it's it's not going to be
like a, a typical episode of
875
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,240
infinite rabbit hole.
Like it's definitely going to
876
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:56,920
rely on visuals more than
anything.
877
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,280
But the the Washington, DC one
that that's going to be a what?
878
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,000
Was that event.
Just I, I would look up
879
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,720
Washington DDCUFO incident.
It's like like you said, it's in
880
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:15,840
the 55 or early 60s in that time
frame, maybe even earlier than
881
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,920
that.
I'm not 100% sure, but it's,
882
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,520
it's one of the biggest events
involving UFOs in the history of
883
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,840
the world when it comes to like
publicity, right?
884
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,760
People that a, a big group of
people witnessed it, like the
885
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,120
Phoenix lights.
Everybody saw that shit in in
886
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,240
Phoenix that that night, same
thing.
887
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,640
I just found something on The
History Channel.
888
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,000
When UFOs buzzed, the White
House and the Air Force blamed
889
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,760
the weather.
Yep, in 1952.
890
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,280
Yep, Yeah, Oh yeah, 50.
Two, there it is.
891
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,520
Dang swamp gases from Venus,
man.
892
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,680
You know, watch.
Out they're going to take our
893
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,760
White House Oh no what did we
just cover we were just talking
894
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,960
about let's.
Project Blue Book is next.
895
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,240
OK you guys want to jump in the
Project Blue Book?
896
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,720
Dude you fucked me up so bad
with that.
897
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,840
I meant I didn't say something
the last two times.
898
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,080
I didn't know you could.
I didn't know it was like
899
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,040
affecting you on your end.
Walls it's funny too, because
900
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,560
Jeremy, you were saying last
episode you're like, Oh, you
901
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,960
read along.
It's like because you when you
902
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,960
highlight stuff, it trips me up.
I was like, I never highlight
903
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,560
stuff.
Oh, it's like, what are you
904
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,320
talking about?
And then that was going on.
905
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,720
I was like I'm not even like my
mouse is on the other page like
906
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,000
where I can see you guys
highlighter setting.
907
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,320
So I can see what it.
Looks like.
908
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,560
What do you mean highlight?
See what it looks like?
909
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,560
No, do right now like that.
Oh, I see.
910
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:34,360
Oh, you see me?
Yeah.
911
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,800
You see it getting highlighted.
Yeah, you see, the little word
912
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,400
says like infinite rabbit hole
pops.
913
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,240
Up you need to fix your grammar
bro.
914
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:43,760
My girlfriend she says she's her
Co workers call her a grammar
915
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,640
Nazi because she's like freaking
out over here too.
916
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,280
She's looking at her.
She's like, what is this?
917
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,120
Well, she, she should probably
she.
918
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,880
Should be a writer.
Yeah.
919
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,000
She'll do it for $100.00 an
hour.
920
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,280
Hey man, I.
That's too deep.
921
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,360
I am a guy who likes to read
books.
922
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,080
I don't write things and I don't
read them like out loud very
923
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,680
well.
And I don't make a good
924
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,520
podcaster.
Now you're doing a good job,
925
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,840
bro.
But yeah, you know, maybe a
926
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,040
little bit of a little spell
checking and a little bit of,
927
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,280
you know, script, script magic
might help you script smooth
928
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,960
that out a little bit, you know?
Chat.
929
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,800
GPT just drop just make one of
these try it next time make take
930
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,120
your script and just drop it in
chat BT and be like hey man,
931
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,320
just make this like, you know a
little smoother for my podcast
932
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,720
script and it'll be like.
I don't even know how to use
933
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,480
ChatGPT.
And then I'll come out, I told.
934
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,400
You.
Words in there that you don't
935
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,280
say regularly and we'll be like
he used ChatGPT just like Jeff's
936
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,480
episode.
I was like, he doesn't speak
937
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,160
like this.
I.
938
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,760
Literally just told you, you
just copy it, paste it, say do
939
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,720
this, and then you say don't use
those words.
940
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,120
Use Use small, commonly used
words.
941
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,360
It's gonna say.
Like.
942
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,000
A bunch of times.
Alright, you guys ready?
943
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:01,080
Yeah.
Project Blue Book in the history
944
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,560
of deceit in the United States
government and military complex
945
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,280
about the subjects of UFOs,
Project Blue Book proved to be
946
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,400
pretty much the same, but the
most ambitious and successful
947
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,960
program even to this day,
lasting 17 years.
948
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,720
Project Blue Book was
commissioned by the Central
949
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,520
Intelligence Agency due to the
recommendation of then President
950
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,200
of the United States Harry S
Truman, who feared an outbreak
951
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,800
of hysteria in response to the
massive amount of UFO sightings
952
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,760
in 1952, specifically the ones
in the skies over Washington,
953
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,360
DCA Blue Book officer was
assigned to every Air Force Base
954
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,480
in the nation and were easily
accessible and often visited or
955
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,080
investigated.
Points of interest by the
956
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,240
Federal Aviation Administration
offices, the United States
957
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:53,320
Weather Bureau, the National
Center for Atmospheric Research,
958
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,280
national universities, the
National Aeronautics and Space
959
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,360
Administration, the Smithsonian,
local civilian million airports,
960
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,560
and both the Strategic Air
Command and Air Defense Command.
961
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,120
More than 13,000 cases had been
investigated by Project Blue
962
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,160
Book and as author Howard Bloom
states in his book Out There,
963
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:19,440
the study eventually announced
findings of quote one No UFO
964
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,080
reported, investigated and
evaluated by the Air Force has
965
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,880
ever given any indication of
threat to our national security.
966
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,480
2 There has been no evidence
submitted to or discovered by
967
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,360
the Air Force that sightings
categorized as unidentified
968
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,480
present technological
developments or principles
969
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,960
beyond the range of present day
scientific knowledge. 3 and
970
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,120
there has been no evidence
indicating that sightings
971
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,840
categorized as unidentified or
extraterrestrial vehicles.
972
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,200
On December 17th, 1969, the Air
Force officially announced the
973
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,040
termination of Project Blue
Book.
974
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,920
But wouldn't be the last time
the United States government
975
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,040
would dig their toes into the
world of UFOs.
976
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,920
Author Howard Bloom thumbed
through and extensively read and
977
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,360
researched the project and was
very disappointed in the lack of
978
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,600
scientific professionalism.
In many of the reports written
979
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,240
by investigators.
It was clear that they were
980
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:20,640
using people without any
scientific or real investigative
981
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,560
training to conduct the work
sanctioned by Project Blue Book.
982
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,520
How much does that sound like
the military, Jake?
983
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,640
Man dude, what is the
Smithsonian doing?
984
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,680
What does a museum have anything
to do with UFOs?
985
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,440
There they are, digging their
feet in into something that
986
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,760
makes no sense for them to be
digging their feet into.
987
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,280
Smithsonian's like, one of the
most sketchiest like things.
988
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,440
Ever.
They're hiding giants, they're
989
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,680
hiding aliens.
They're hiding everything, man.
990
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,000
Hide your kids, hide your wife,
because the Smithsonian's going
991
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,080
to snatch them up and bury them.
Is it possible that there was
992
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,480
like some type of threat, right?
You know, these UFOs show up,
993
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,960
this investigation starts
happening, right?
994
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,680
All this happens and then at
some point they're just like,
995
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:10,000
oh, we realized that we're
totally screwed.
996
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,440
And we just kind of kind of
sweep this under the rug for not
997
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,520
just the public, but for other
like nation states, right, that
998
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,840
are like watching us and and
trying to pick up on what we're
999
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,960
investigating, right?
So they just say, oh, yeah,
1000
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,400
there's nothing that we don't
know about already.
1001
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,880
Like, yeah, it's not
extraterrestrials.
1002
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,080
It's not out of the realm of
known science like, Nah, no big
1003
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,960
deal.
Just shut the program down.
1004
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,960
And really behind the scenes,
they're like freaking out.
1005
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,600
And they're like, oh, dude, we
got to start another program and
1006
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,080
like, figure this out, you know?
Like I watch a lot of those.
1007
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,320
I guess they're like true crime
documentaries or whatever, but
1008
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,280
like the, the murderer, whoever
is being investigated and they
1009
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,640
kind of talk about the body
language and all that sort of
1010
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,760
stuff, right?
And it seems like when the cops
1011
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,360
really don't know what's going
on, but they allude to that,
1012
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,760
they have more information to
allow the, the person to kind of
1013
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,640
divulge that sort of stuff.
It seems like the same sort of
1014
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,840
mind games here is what you were
just talking about in a way, but
1015
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,120
kind of reverse from that being
like being like, we have all
1016
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,120
this information.
We're going to freak out now,
1017
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,440
but we're going to tell everyone
we're like, no, no, no, it's,
1018
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,640
it's cool.
It's cool.
1019
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,360
We're we're good.
Everything's fine.
1020
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,080
Everything's fine.
There's nothing to worry about
1021
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,520
whatsoever.
Oh my gosh.
1022
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,160
You know.
I think it's like the exact
1023
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:31,200
same.
Tactic, but reverse from that.
1024
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:34,240
It's all psychological.
I would argue that that probably
1025
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:37,040
happens more often, like with
the government, that probably
1026
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,800
happens more often than like, oh
sure, nefarious, you know, like
1027
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,920
shit.
I think it's more incompetence
1028
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,320
and they're reacting to things
that happen all the time more
1029
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,320
than like being proactive with
things.
1030
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:53,280
Whereas I think that the, you
know, the contractors or like
1031
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,640
the black budget, you know,
stuff that's happening that the
1032
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,520
government doesn't even know
about, they're pulling the
1033
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,280
strings.
Like those people, they're the
1034
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,360
ones that are making, they're
pulling the strings and the
1035
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,720
governments are reacting
basically as I'm trying to get
1036
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,680
at.
Yeah, Yeah, that's probably
1037
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,360
right.
Sure.
1038
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,000
And that's probably, you know,
when the all the conspiracies
1039
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,280
were like, oh, every time a new
president gets elected and they
1040
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,920
go in and have that little talk
with the last president, they
1041
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,480
always come out looking like
shocked or just like, you know,
1042
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,760
pale or pasty.
You know, there's always like,
1043
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,240
what what do they tell him in
there?
1044
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,440
You know, and it's probably
something like, hey, man, just
1045
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,520
so you know, you got some power,
but you're not really doing
1046
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,360
anything, man.
There's, there's other people.
1047
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,280
We just get.
We get the memo.
1048
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,880
Just remember, you wanted this
idiot, yeah?
1049
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,440
Aliens are here and that you've
got a probing this afternoon.
1050
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,200
Yeah, it's.
Probably something crazy, you
1051
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,000
know, like we're getting the
memo too, bro.
1052
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,400
Just so you know, I know you
think you're president now, but
1053
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,480
we're getting every day we got
to check the emails because
1054
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,120
they're telling us what to do,
you know?
1055
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,640
All right, I actually have a
screen share for this next
1056
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,880
section.
Oh yeah.
1057
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,880
Make sure you share the proper
browser Jeremy.
1058
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,120
We don't want this is a family
friendly show.
1059
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,680
Yeah, you're right.
You're right.
1060
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,600
You're right.
Family friendly with a bunch of
1061
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,520
F bombs.
Let's go with this and this.
1062
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,400
You guys see that, OK.
My screen is pretty small but
1063
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,560
yeah, sure.
Yeah, we see it, OK.
1064
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:24,480
The Robertson Panel 1953 brought
an offshoot investigation by
1065
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,720
order of the NSA to determine
whether or not the presence of
1066
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,440
UFOs in the skies over America
created any dangers to the
1067
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,440
security of the country.
The name of this investigation
1068
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,880
would be remembered as the
Robertson Panel and would
1069
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,160
convene for the first time on
January 14th, 1953.
1070
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,640
This panel that held classified
meetings consisted of
1071
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,680
scientists, CIA officials, and
Air Force officers and would be
1072
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:57,400
the immediate precursor to the
UFO Working Group covered later
1073
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,600
in this presentation.
Doctor HP Robertson, ACIA
1074
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:06,280
employee attached to the Weapons
Systems Evaluation Group of the
1075
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,040
Office of the Secretary of
Defense, stood as the Robertson
1076
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,160
panel's chairman of Scientific
Advisory Panel.
1077
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:18,040
One other notable member was
Doctor Louise Alvarez, who has,
1078
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,760
as author Howard Bloom notes
quote won the Nobel Prize for
1079
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,960
Physics in 1968.
Other members included Doctor
1080
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,000
Lloyd Berkner, physicist and
director of the Brookhaven
1081
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,120
National Laboratories, Doctor
Thornton Page, professor of
1082
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,040
astronomy at the University of
Chicago, and Doctor Samuel
1083
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,640
Gootsmith, a specialist in
atomic structure and statistical
1084
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,800
problems at Brookhaven.
The panel ended on January 17th,
1085
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,080
the same year.
Lasting only three days, the
1086
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,960
group dedicated 12 hours each
day to investigating military
1087
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,760
and civilian reports.
Videos, pictures, and
1088
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,600
intelligence reports about
Soviet Union's interest in the
1089
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,360
UFOs in America.
Their concluding report was
1090
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,360
direct and to the point.
Quote.
1091
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,920
Reasonable explanations could be
suggested for most sightings.
1092
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,960
No evidence of direct threat to
national security in the objects
1093
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,400
cited.
And the continued emphasis on
1094
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,600
the reporting of these phenomena
does result in threat to orderly
1095
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,160
functioning of the protective
organs of the body politic, and
1096
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:35,280
therefore a policy of debunking
UFO reports should be
1097
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,800
instigated.
Obviously there was not a lot of
1098
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,600
effort put into this panel, but
it does show three things about
1099
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,680
the mentality and the government
had on the topic of UF OS in
1100
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,920
1953.
One, on the surface this topic
1101
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,640
was not something worth much
time and effort.
1102
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:57,000
Two, there was a need for an
excuse to quote UN quote debunk
1103
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,280
reports.
And three, suddenly there was a
1104
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,600
reverse in attitude towards the
UFO phenomenon.
1105
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,640
A whopping 3 days man what what
an investigation time.
1106
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,400
How much do you think that cost
the taxpayers?
1107
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,320
Millions.
I like that that screen share
1108
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:20,160
that even had the holes punched
on the top for a portrait view.
1109
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,560
For the way that we always file
our stuff in the military,
1110
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,560
that's pretty wild.
Yeah, isn't that, isn't that
1111
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,120
neat?
It's a legit document man.
1112
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,040
It had the the date and
everything on the on the top
1113
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,040
right and everything all panned
out.
1114
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,240
That's cool.
The proper headers, everything.
1115
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,400
I want to know what you think,
Jeremy.
1116
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,320
I think that there's definitely,
there was definitely some fishy
1117
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,160
shit going on around this time
period.
1118
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,120
I mean, even in World War 2,
right when when we were just
1119
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,280
discussing the Foo Fighters and
the Ghost Rockets.
1120
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,800
What do?
You mean there was shit just
1121
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,000
like propaganda?
No.
1122
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,000
OK.
I think, I think there was
1123
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,200
definitely something in the
skies.
1124
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,120
I think that there was a,
there's a legitimate defense
1125
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,880
issue when it comes to UFOs.
And it's always been a
1126
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:18,240
legitimate defense issue.
Now, I believe that they, they
1127
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,000
sweep it under the rug or make
it look as if it's not that
1128
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:27,920
important and not that dangerous
because not, not because they
1129
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:32,320
want the public to feel safer,
but because they're absolutely
1130
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,240
stupid and ignorant to exactly
what is going on.
1131
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:41,400
I don't, I don't think that the
government has any idea of what
1132
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,560
is actually in the skies.
Now, I know a lot of people out
1133
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:44,760
there was like, they know what
it is.
1134
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,600
They know what it is.
They, you know, they're just not
1135
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,920
going to tell us.
It's some secret technology or
1136
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,240
craft in the sky.
I personally don't think that
1137
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,520
the government has a fucking
clue as to what it is.
1138
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,520
UFOs are absolutely no idea.
Maybe maybe some of them, maybe
1139
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,760
some of them.
They have, you know, they're
1140
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:10,000
they're they're watching
experimental craft from
1141
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:15,920
adversaries like, you know,
Russia or North Korea, possibly
1142
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:20,280
China.
But I think that for the most
1143
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:25,240
part, the government, especially
the US government has no idea
1144
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,040
what is going on.
No idea.
1145
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:32,200
And I, I actually to kind of
skip into a subject that we'll
1146
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,160
cover later on that I've that
I've recently started doing
1147
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:40,200
research into, if you've ever
seen the the movie.
1148
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:41,680
Nope.
Yeah.
1149
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:47,600
I've recently started doing
research into biological UFOs,
1150
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:54,960
specifically the the jellyfish
UFO, which is what the the
1151
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,200
creature from Nope the the
flying saucer from the movie
1152
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,880
Nope was based after.
Just an alien.
1153
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,120
It's a big alien.
Not even that, they're just
1154
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,160
atmospheric creatures, something
that doesn't have to come down.
1155
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:11,920
Now if you know anything about
atmospheric creatures, people
1156
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,280
that are listening.
One of the most well known
1157
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,440
atmospheric creatures are these
things called rods.
1158
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:27,160
There was an episode of Monster
Quest that was done Shit gosh,
1159
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:33,600
it's got to be 15 years ago now
where they did an entire episode
1160
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:39,400
basically dedicated to these
rods and in cameras.
1161
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,840
They just look like long spiral
creatures flying through the
1162
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,560
sky, very long elongated.
And they just have like this
1163
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:56,760
like this Helix kind of form to
them where they just kind of
1164
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,200
spin through the air.
Now those are those are the most
1165
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,280
commonly known atmospheric
creatures.
1166
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,560
I think that it there's a,
there's a pretty decent chance
1167
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,160
and I'm not going to dive into
it too much right now.
1168
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,360
I'll save it for the episode
because I have a big build up
1169
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:15,640
that I'm building right now for
it.
1170
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:21,080
But I believe that some UF OS
some unidentified things in the
1171
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,920
sky could potentially be
biological.
1172
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,840
Not necessarily that they're
strictly atmospheric creatures,
1173
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,120
but they are something
biological that we don't know
1174
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,040
about.
I, I guess a Cryptid, if you
1175
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:38,280
would, but I don't think it
would even be considered to be
1176
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:43,040
something along those lines.
And I think that these things
1177
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:48,920
come from places that we're not
looking like the ocean or.
1178
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,680
Shoot people that cerns opening
up maybe?
1179
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,000
I mean, yeah, I mean, or even
the natural ones like Mount
1180
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,480
Shasta, right?
I mean, there there's a lot of
1181
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,280
there's a lot of natural ones
that that people talk about all
1182
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:03,880
the time.
But then there's also the people
1183
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,280
that say that they seen these
biological atmospheric creatures
1184
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,000
come out of volcanoes.
I mean, there, there's a there's
1185
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,200
a lot of different possibilities
for for all of this.
1186
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,840
And whenever we get into the
atmospheric creatures episode,
1187
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,520
it's going to be it's going to
be pretty cool.
1188
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,160
Not necessarily that I think
that that is the answer to UF
1189
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:25,240
OS.
I just think it's a very
1190
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,520
interesting thing.
But I think that the government
1191
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,000
isn't looking at shit like that,
you know, and I think that
1192
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,880
they're looking the wrong way
when it comes to UFOs.
1193
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,760
And I think that they've already
checked the blocks off for
1194
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,320
extraterrestrials.
I think they've checked the
1195
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,000
blocks off for adversaries.
I think they've checked the
1196
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,760
blocks off for drones.
I think they've checked every
1197
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,360
block that they could possibly
think of.
1198
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,040
And now they're just sitting
there with their thumbs up their
1199
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,560
asses and not thinking outside
the box when it comes to these
1200
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,840
things.
I mean, I don't know, because
1201
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,600
honestly, I mean, I've even
heard theories that that UFOs
1202
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:08,080
are literally just cameras or
they're they're what is used to
1203
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,600
travel the world in the out of
body experience, you know, like
1204
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,360
a like a project Stargate kind
of thing.
1205
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,000
This is something that I've been
thinking about lately too.
1206
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,600
Like have you seen that show
that three body problem?
1207
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,720
Yeah, you got to read that whole
series, man, that.
1208
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,520
Book The book is amazing.
So like just that I don't know
1209
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,720
if they did the same thing in
the book as in the show, but
1210
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,000
that how like this this super
intelligence, this alien or
1211
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:36,800
whatever they I guess programmed
of of an electron or a photon,
1212
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:41,120
they quantum entangled it.
So like this photon is observing
1213
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,400
whatever it wants basically on
earth as it's light years away
1214
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,440
or the civilization is light
years away.
1215
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,320
So it's called the Sofon, and in
the book, the aliens are known
1216
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,720
as Trisolarans.
But in the the show, it's
1217
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,280
something weird.
I can't remember what they
1218
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,280
called it in the show, but I
heard it and I was like, that's
1219
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,480
dumb.
Sure, Yeah.
1220
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,440
But you know, I don't it the the
basic idea is the same, right?
1221
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:09,000
Like they, they're observing us
via like some, you know,
1222
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,520
advanced quantum entanglement or
something.
1223
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,640
They're they're using this.
I thought about that with UFOs
1224
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,200
lately.
Like are the ones that aren't
1225
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,279
ours right?
Are those just like observing?
1226
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,560
Are they just drones observing
us of some kind?
1227
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:27,279
Yes, and honestly I think that
is the closest that we can get
1228
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,040
to the actual explanation from
it.
1229
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,840
Obviously I don't know what the
fuck a UFO is, but when you talk
1230
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,960
about quantum entanglement and
then you talk about quantum
1231
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,920
enlarging right?
So you create 2 particles on the
1232
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,840
quantum level, which is
literally the level right above
1233
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,080
nothing right?
The quantum meaning as small as
1234
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,600
you can get without not existing
you.
1235
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:54,840
The quantum entanglement is when
2 particles are entangled and
1236
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,720
they completely rely on each
other and pass information
1237
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,160
between each other and one
reacts when the other one
1238
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,680
reacts, even at great distances,
meaning light years away.
1239
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,600
Like Jake.
That's the book that I, that I
1240
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,359
lent you guys and then I, I had
to grab from you guys because I,
1241
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,279
I let somebody else read it.
That's the three body problem.
1242
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,000
It's Jeff.
I don't know if you read very
1243
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,279
much man or or if you like audio
books.
1244
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,200
You should.
Really read man, I don't know
1245
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:25,800
how.
Well, then whatever.
1246
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,800
Listen to the audio books of of
16 News 3, Body Problem, the
1247
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,279
Dark Forest and shit.
What's the last one?
1248
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,279
Death's End.
Those three books don't don't
1249
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:39,640
listen to the redemption of
time.
1250
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,520
It's the fourth one that's a
it's a spin off book written by
1251
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,000
a different author and it sucks.
Don't listen to that one.
1252
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,160
Just just listen to the three
from six and you do you know
1253
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,560
what I'm telling you, man, you
you will love that shit.
1254
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,000
Like if you like the stuff
that's in the the show, the book
1255
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,240
goes way harder, like way
harder.
1256
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,840
I I, I, I get excited about
talking about that book.
1257
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,840
I just I I love that series, the
scene.
1258
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,240
Calm down.
It's like my absolute all time
1259
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,320
favorite series I've ever read
in my life, man.
1260
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,280
It's it's phenomenal.
Relax.
1261
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,640
Well, you said it, You said.
My bad.
1262
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,400
Do you know what I mean to get
23 words?
1263
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,760
Yeah, I got the three variety
problem in my audio book, so
1264
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,320
I'll listen to that after I'm
done with Annie Jacobson's Annie
1265
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,440
Area 51.
Well, it is very sciency, just
1266
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:25,800
so you know.
Sciency, OH.
1267
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,320
Oh yes.
I don't know science kind of
1268
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:29,120
like.
You like?
1269
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,200
Am I going to be talking?
You're going to learn some.
1270
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:36,800
Couchy, I am the science.
I'm the science.
1271
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,800
I'm the science.
You're not the science.
1272
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:45,880
I'm the science.
What were we talking about
1273
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,400
before you said 3?
You're about to read the next
1274
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,080
section.
OK.
1275
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,880
I'll just read the next section.
This is the last section we're.
1276
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,840
Going to cover for tonight.
We're going to split this into
1277
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,840
two episodes.
This is actually a a very, very
1278
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:04,240
small section, obviously,
because we're going to dive into
1279
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:08,080
this in a later episode much
more in depth, but it would not
1280
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:14,120
be a report on UFO projects from
the 40s to the 90s of the US
1281
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,160
governments without.
Talking about it.
1282
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,920
Right.
And that would be the Condon
1283
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,240
Committee.
Although not a federal
1284
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,520
government investigation into
the phenomenon of UFOs, the
1285
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,080
Condon Committee of the
University of Colorado was
1286
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,280
sanctioned by the United States
Air Force in order to begin the
1287
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,960
relief of the military.
Being the entity responsible for
1288
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,720
such matters.
The Air Force wanted to get out
1289
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,240
of the UFO game and therefore
completely funded the committee
1290
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:45,000
from 1966 to 1968.
Ultimately, the purpose of the
1291
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,920
Condon Committee was to continue
the work first set out by Sign,
1292
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,480
Grudge and Blue Book, but
outside of the borders of the
1293
01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:54,760
United States Air Force in order
to finally close up shop
1294
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,160
completely.
This of course was successful
1295
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,040
since Project Blue Book
officially closed soon after in
1296
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,000
1969 with a Condon report
claiming that there was no
1297
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,560
sustenance behind and UFOs.
And of course, more on the
1298
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,160
Common Committee on a future
episode of The Infinite Rabbit
1299
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,240
Hole.
That is, That is it for part one
1300
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:17,920
of our coverage on secret UFO
projects from the 40s to the
1301
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,760
90s, man.
I'm going to have to watch Nope
1302
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,600
tomorrow.
That's a good movie.
1303
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:22,960
It was a good movie.
I like my.
1304
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,360
Favorite part was like finding
out that the sounds that it made
1305
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,240
was from the people being
digested in it.
1306
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,200
Like that's crazy.
It's nuts.
1307
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:36,000
It was so dark.
Well, next week we are going to
1308
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,720
dive into a lot.
We're going to dive into a bunch
1309
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,560
of smaller projects.
We're going to jump into Project
1310
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:46,560
Twinkle, Project Stork.
We're going to drive into
1311
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:51,000
Majestic 12, the UFO working
group which we discussed during
1312
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,240
our Elmwood series.
We're going to go to Project
1313
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,680
Aquarius for a little bit, even
though it's not technically a
1314
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:03,200
known as a UFO program.
We're going to talk about
1315
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:08,120
Stargate Scanate and then of
course projects Moon Dust, Blue
1316
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:13,280
Fly St. and Blue Gemini
basically revolving around the
1317
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:19,600
the search and seizure of downed
UFOs.
1318
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,440
Nice.
In the United States, that's
1319
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,320
that's it.
What do you guys, what do you
1320
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:29,200
guys think?
Yeah, that's it.
1321
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,400
OK.
I mean, yeah, I could talk for
1322
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,920
days about I get it.
No, it's not Not that, bro.
1323
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,120
Yeah, I get.
No, I get it.
1324
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,440
Well.
That's beside the point.
1325
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,640
We, we could talk for hours and
hours about this, but I'll, you
1326
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,880
know, I'll save some more of my
thoughts for the next one
1327
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,520
because I don't want to just.
He's saying that he has no
1328
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,720
thoughts, guys.
I don't want to blow my load too
1329
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,760
soon man.
No, do blow it all over
1330
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,160
everybody.
It's all right.
1331
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,400
It's ectoplasm.
Endoplasm.
1332
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:01,080
Endoplasm I I'm in the exact
same boat that I've always been
1333
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,960
with these topics.
However, it is interesting to
1334
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,720
hear the US government's kind of
back and forth on are they going
1335
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,720
to look into it or they're not
going to look into it.
1336
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,400
So they now they're looking into
it again.
1337
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,360
They're looking into it in the
past and they're like, yeah,
1338
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,960
it's fine, there's nothing to
worry about.
1339
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,280
And now they're looking into it
again.
1340
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:21,200
I mean, I just saved a article
on Popular Mechanics this
1341
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,240
morning that I was looking up
that was talking about a, A
1342
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,200
captain on one of our various
naval ships that was saying that
1343
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,520
basically Congress needs to get
their heads out of their butts
1344
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,840
and start actually talking about
these things because they're
1345
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,840
trying to downplay the UFO
phenomenon.
1346
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,200
And he's seen stuff that's
unbelievable.
1347
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:41,800
Yeah.
And it's just like.
1348
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:47,840
But even then, like, how far,
how deep in it do you have to be
1349
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,280
to be in the know?
You know, how deep does it go?
1350
01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:53,680
Because just because you're a
certain rank doesn't mean that
1351
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:58,480
you're yeah, that.
You're you're allowed.
1352
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,760
Access to it.
That you're allowed to know
1353
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,720
certain information, like just
because you have a top secret
1354
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,560
clearance, that doesn't mean
anything because you're only
1355
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,480
given the knowledge of the
information that you need to
1356
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:10,800
carry out the task that you need
to do it right.
1357
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,400
So like, for example, our Seals,
our Green Berets, our spec op
1358
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:19,200
war fighters, they have top
secret clearances, but it's only
1359
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,400
in regards to the target that
they're going after or whatever,
1360
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:24,840
right?
Or that mission.
1361
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:26,840
And I can't talk about it with
anyone.
1362
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,280
And maybe they can write a book
at it about it once it gets
1363
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,960
declassified, like we see.
But for the most part, it's
1364
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,920
only, yeah, it's top secret.
But that only goes for the
1365
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,840
information that's specifically
in line with the job that you
1366
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,120
have to do.
So how far, how deep or how high
1367
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:48,120
up do you have to go to get the
full scope of what's everything
1368
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,000
that's going on?
And even at that point, I have
1369
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,600
to question that thought process
of, you know, there is such a
1370
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:59,160
thing as categorization where
it's like you may have a
1371
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:04,360
boatload of scientists working
on a project to say, make a, you
1372
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:10,600
know, let's go with Groom Lake
and say make a anti Jet
1373
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:14,520
Propulsion, your anti gravity
flying machine or whatever it
1374
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,120
is.
But each scientist individually,
1375
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,280
they may have top secret
clearances and all this sort of
1376
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,440
stuff and all their background
checks and all their ducks in a
1377
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:24,560
row, but they only have a
specific part of it.
1378
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,960
You have to work on the
generator.
1379
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,960
This person has to work on, you
know, the fuel control or
1380
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,640
whatever it is, right?
Like that.
1381
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,160
So that individually they know
nothing except for the thing
1382
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,920
that they're working on.
But collectively they're putting
1383
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,120
together this massive puzzle
that becomes this, you know,
1384
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,080
super tech.
So if anyone gets compromised,
1385
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:49,360
they don't lose all of the
information to whatever
1386
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,760
government, whatever entity, you
know, whatever that is, they
1387
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,240
lose a portion of it, which
isn't in itself that big of a
1388
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,800
deal because you can't do
anything without the rest of it,
1389
01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:02,040
right?
So or compartmentalization.
1390
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,920
That's that's the thing, not
categorization,
1391
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,320
compartmentalization.
So even still, it's like, so
1392
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,520
this captain is saying, well,
they need to really start
1393
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,320
looking into his.
Well, how do they know?
1394
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,960
How does he know that that's not
already being done?
1395
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,600
Because they know the full scope
of everything that's going on.
1396
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,680
Maybe not Congress, but whoever
is the top knows everything
1397
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,600
that's going on.
And they're only allowing this
1398
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:30,560
captain to know so much because
even in his finite or his, yeah,
1399
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,880
find out amount of information
that he knows, even if he said,
1400
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,520
all right, scramble The Jets,
we're going to shoot this thing
1401
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,280
out of the sky.
They know beyond a shadow of a
1402
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,120
doubt that they would never be
able to match the top speed.
1403
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,160
They would be able to get a
lock, you know, all that sort of
1404
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,960
stuff.
So it's like like, who cares,
1405
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,720
right?
But it's like, I, I don't know.
1406
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:51,080
It's it's definitely interesting
the governments involvement in
1407
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,280
this, especially the United
States government.
1408
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,880
But I also agree with Jeff, I
think that, you know, especially
1409
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:02,520
in the rise of AI art now, Oh my
gosh, all of those Facebook
1410
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,800
groups I follow for Bigfoot have
been compromised by AI.
1411
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,040
And it's just, it's like, I've
just been deleting all of them
1412
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,040
because it's like, Oh my gosh,
look at this picture of Bigfoot
1413
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,840
and it's obviously AI and it's
just every single day.
1414
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,560
And it's just like, we can't
even, you know, get anywhere.
1415
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,800
So it's like, next thing you
know, it's going to be so
1416
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,000
crystal clear that you won't be
able to see, Oh, that Lady has,
1417
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,040
you know, 5 digits on her right
hand and three digits on her
1418
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,000
left hand.
Obviously this is AI because it
1419
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,560
can't get hands and feet right
or faces from a distance.
1420
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,360
But it's going to be so crystal
clear that it's not going to
1421
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,640
matter even if someone does see
a, because if they take a
1422
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,480
picture of it, they're going to
be like, well, that could be AI.
1423
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,200
Yeah.
You know, so it's like we're
1424
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,040
kind of in this weird spot where
it's like, yeah, I mean, it
1425
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:49,080
would be cool if a lot more
people like, say, US UFO showed
1426
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,280
up at the Super Bowl.
But even then, how many people
1427
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,480
would take a video or pictures
of that, put it up on the
1428
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:55,920
Internet?
People be like, oh, that's fake.
1429
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,120
Well yeah, me and Creamer were
talking about this on the on the
1430
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,840
last episode of Shadow Band.
Like nothing even actually has
1431
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,600
to happen, right?
And I think that that's the
1432
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,480
whole point.
I think that two things happen.
1433
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:09,000
One, you're you're right about
the compartmentalization, but I
1434
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,640
don't even I think the
government has its own version
1435
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,720
of that, right?
And it's trying to figure out
1436
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,560
what this phenomena is.
But I think that the
1437
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,800
contractors, the Raytheons and
the Lockheed Martins in the
1438
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,080
Northrop Grumman's, they have
the black budget programs that
1439
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,160
the government doesn't have have
access to, right?
1440
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,240
So they're, they're able to
develop things that the military
1441
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,840
is trying to figure out what is
this, right?
1442
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,000
And then when they come out with
these reports that are like, oh,
1443
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,000
it's not extraterrestrial,
right?
1444
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,200
And it's not beyond our science
or whatever, right?
1445
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,880
Like maybe that's because it's
not, maybe it is something that
1446
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,960
we know like kind of like, hey,
we know what this is doing.
1447
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,320
Maybe we can't do it, but we, we
understand what's happening
1448
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,200
here.
We know it's somebody around
1449
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:51,880
here.
We know it's not like Russia.
1450
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,520
Maybe they have an idea that
it's these contractors, but what
1451
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,320
are you going to do when when
you say, when you threaten some
1452
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,560
kind of legislation or, you
know, oversight over something
1453
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,240
like this and then they show up
at your house or something and
1454
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,280
try to blackmail you with a UFO
with a.
1455
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,520
With a chimera like some
genetically altered or created
1456
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,880
alien being that comes out of
this UFO in your backyard and
1457
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,320
tells you like, don't write the
legislation.
1458
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:19,920
It's.
Like what are you going to?
1459
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:23,760
Do don't write the legislation
or wear your skin, yeah.
1460
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,120
So.
Yeah, it's kind of crazy, but
1461
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,480
but that's what the my labs are.
The military abduction programs.
1462
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:33,080
I don't know if you get into
that at all, Jeremy, but.
1463
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,480
No.
You know, military abductions,
1464
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:36,840
maybe they're real, maybe
they're not.
1465
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,880
But you know, I think that some
of that is real.
1466
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:44,320
I think that they have fake U
not even fake UF real real UFOSI
1467
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:49,360
guess, but you know fake aliens.
They do abductions.
1468
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,440
They they do all that stuff.
That's probably how they really
1469
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:56,160
blackmail and control the people
at the top around the world.
1470
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,200
You know, it's the most I in the
in the UFO my labs.
1471
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:05,680
The most I ever dove into my
labs was in that the Screen
1472
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,400
Memories episode.
That would that's probably the
1473
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,880
one time anywhere in the near
future then then jump into my
1474
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:18,440
labs or pass.
But yeah, there's a lot here.
1475
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,040
There is.
You did a good job of breaking
1476
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,480
down how the government works.
Well, the military at least,
1477
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,480
because that's, you know, I
think that's very good for
1478
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:32,040
people to understand, you know,
because I think Hollywood does
1479
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:36,800
this thing where they, I don't
know, they use this, this term
1480
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,960
top secret clearance.
Yeah.
1481
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,560
To just kind of give a pass.
To.
1482
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,360
All the information now because
you have a top secret clearance
1483
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,320
now.
You, you can't keep this from
1484
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:48,720
me.
I have a top secret clearance.
1485
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:50,520
Fuck you, guy.
Yeah, yes.
1486
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:54,960
I you have no jurisdiction here.
You have nothing to do with this
1487
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,960
in your role as a whatever,
right?
1488
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,400
The E3 with the need to know can
tell the Admiral the fuck off
1489
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:02,760
that doesn't have a need to
know.
1490
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,280
Yeah, it's.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, he won't.
1491
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:09,000
That's not how that really
works, but you know, it's.
1492
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,440
Slightly respectfully.
Politely, like, sure.
1493
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:12,800
Can you please fuck off?
I'm sorry.
1494
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:19,880
Yeah, Yeah, it's.
But then how how you explained
1495
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:24,400
how you know, if if one of the
compartments is compromised, the
1496
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:28,560
whole mission isn't compromised
because only one leg went out.
1497
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,440
We still have a leg and two arms
that we can crawl on, right?
1498
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,200
That's also very important for a
lot of people to know.
1499
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,720
And I think that has a big role
to play in the UFOs.
1500
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,200
But that's also one of the
biggest government downfalls is
1501
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,720
that no, no entities talk to
each other.
1502
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,360
And that's the that's the same
thing that you see in like the
1503
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,840
DIA and the CIA.
Neither of them talk to each
1504
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:52,040
other, but yet one is
governmental and one is military
1505
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:54,640
and they literally don't talk to
each other.
1506
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,080
So they're all fucking shooting
each other in the backs all the
1507
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,840
time.
Yeah, the FBI and the CIA,
1508
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,480
they're constantly doing that,
yeah.
1509
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:06,160
It's, you know, it's, it's
absolutely stupid, but anybody
1510
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:10,760
got anything else?
No, I'm just be interested for
1511
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,000
the next episode.
Cool.
1512
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:18,280
I like how so far I mean it.
Obviously it's in the title, the
1513
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:24,080
government UFO projects, right?
But I really dig having spent so
1514
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:28,520
long in the federal government
as an employee, when we get into
1515
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,880
the topics that cover the
government's role in this sort
1516
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,160
of stuff.
Now, I'm not saying that I put
1517
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,480
more legitimacy into it because
it's the government, because we
1518
01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:42,040
know how fishy they are.
But, you know, it's it's it's
1519
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,680
just it's got a different feel
to it than, you know, Farmer
1520
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,560
John seeing a UFO land in his
backyard or whatever.
1521
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,080
The Kecksburg UFO or whatever it
is, you know, it's got more of a
1522
01:23:53,480 --> 01:23:55,000
yeah, just got a different feel
to it.
1523
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:59,200
And especially with all the
things that are going on now,
1524
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,880
and we're getting a lot of those
old school projects that are
1525
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,200
being declassified now, a lot of
that stuff is redacted, right?
1526
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,800
You go through the forms and
it's just like, just like
1527
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,200
someone took a Sharpie to it and
left like 2 words that aren't
1528
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,720
redacted.
But but still, the fact that a
1529
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,120
lot of that stuff is, is coming
out now is, is pretty cool.
1530
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,920
So it's like if, if even if
there's nothing of substance to
1531
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:27,280
it, it, it's neat to see, you
know, who at the time had their
1532
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,640
hands on this and wanted to know
more.
1533
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,600
And maybe they found out some
more, or maybe they got
1534
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,680
completely shut down.
But at least it brings, you
1535
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:41,000
know, I don't know, I want to
say a little bit of hope in my
1536
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:45,520
thought that not everything is
completely corrupt, that some
1537
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,400
people at some point still try
to do the right thing and try to
1538
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:49,960
kind of figure this whole thing
out.
1539
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,880
But then we're kind of, you
know, stonewalled, I guess.
1540
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,280
You know, that's what it seems
like ends up happening a lot of
1541
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,680
the times is that, you know,
it's just like they just come up
1542
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,480
with nothing, right?
No one's willing to say
1543
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:03,480
anything.
You know, whether it's like
1544
01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:06,720
we're saying a black budget
project or whatever it is, it's
1545
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,640
like at some point the
information gets cut off and
1546
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,160
they're like, Nope, sorry, you
don't have access to this.
1547
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,920
I don't give a shit who you are.
You're not, I don't care if
1548
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:16,480
you're the president, you have
access, right?
1549
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,400
We're a private company.
We're not, we're not going to
1550
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:23,560
talk to you about this, right?
It's like rough, but even still,
1551
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,920
it's cool to see that, you know,
where the governments of the
1552
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,560
world, not just the US
government, but you know, where
1553
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,240
they try to figure the things
out, you know?
1554
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,320
Right on.
I think it was kind of funny
1555
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:40,720
that we had talked about the the
Washington UFO incident and then
1556
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:42,960
literally the next section I
talk about it.
1557
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:46,080
I've had this done for probably
six months already so I forgot
1558
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:47,880
that was even in there.
Nice.
1559
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,960
Yeah, Jeffrey, final thoughts,
anything?
1560
01:25:51,560 --> 01:26:00,240
Space is fake and gay.
Speaking on DD classified
1561
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:04,160
records, they just need the they
need to release the JFK records.
1562
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,040
That'll be cool.
Yeah, good luck with that.
1563
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,160
That's never going to happen, I
know.
1564
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,360
A lot of records that they need
to release that aren't going to
1565
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,800
happen in our lifetime, if ever.
Yeah, yeah.
1566
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,600
Right.
Or maybe they're just, you know,
1567
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,320
record over them or something
like they did with the moon
1568
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:24,160
landing footage.
Not to get too too much into
1569
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:28,000
another rabbit hole, but could
you imagine how fucked up the
1570
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:32,360
actual situation of the JK JFK
assassination is if they still
1571
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,760
won't release that?
And it was only supposed to have
1572
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,800
a 30 year limit to its
classification.
1573
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:39,840
Didn't they just add 70 years
to?
1574
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:45,960
It yeah, I mean, how how bad can
it actually be if they locked it
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01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,280
away for 100 years?
Yeah, another 70, which means
1576
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,200
they were like everybody who's
alive, right?
1577
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:52,960
Now I'm going to say.
Yeah.
1578
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:57,480
Make sure that they're dead and
their kids are dead in the
1579
01:26:57,480 --> 01:27:00,520
current political climate that
I'm at that we're at right now.
1580
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:06,160
It I think that if it was opened
up that there would be too many
1581
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:10,720
cookie crumbs that would lead to
what happened just earlier this
1582
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,560
month with a former president
Donald Trump.
1583
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:19,160
I think that I think it has a
lot of similarities.
1584
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:24,800
I think that people would
instantly be like, ah, see, you
1585
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,440
guys just kill whoever you don't
like Willy nilly, huh?
1586
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,320
And whoever that is, right?
Whether that's in the United
1587
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,040
States, that's around the world,
you know, whatever it is, if
1588
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,520
it's they're not doing what you
want politically, you'll just
1589
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,600
take them out, right?
And so I think that there's too
1590
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,200
many cookie crumbs and, you
know, only so many plays on the
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01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:48,040
books and that people would see
that redacted document or that
1592
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:52,920
redacted investigation and then
be able to pinpoint other
1593
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:57,080
leaders around the world or, or
folks that have been taken out
1594
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:00,520
in a similar way and be like,
oh, so this is still going on.
1595
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:01,280
Yeah.
They'll.
1596
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,840
Figure out it's like an MK Ultra
mentoring candidate situation.
1597
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,560
They're like, oh, you just just
hit them with some frequencies
1598
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,880
and they do whatever you mind
controlling for a little while,
1599
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:11,680
OK.
I think that it gets pretty
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01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,040
deep.
They're not willing to do that
1601
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,760
because they want to be.
They're probably going to wait
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01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,800
until the public has full
knowledge of all of these sorts
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01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:23,200
of things.
Like when NASA invented Velcro
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01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:27,640
and then eventually disseminated
it to the public, right?
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01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,240
Hook and loop technology for
sticking things to things.
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01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:33,480
They're going to wait until
everyone has full knowledge of
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01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:34,480
everything and then they're
back.
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01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:37,520
Oh yeah, and then this happened
like 150 years ago.
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01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:41,720
Whatever ancient history.
Anything else guys?
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01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,200
No all.
Right.
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01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,680
Well, that has been another
episode of the Infinite Rabbit
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Hole podcast.
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1613
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:52,320
everybody.
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Hole.
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Bye bye.
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The history of unidentified
flying objects in the skies over
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the United States is plentiful.
Seemingly since the
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establishment of our country, we
have been kept company by an
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unknown presence acting as a
watchful eye in the sky that to
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this day seems to keep just
enough distance away from us to
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keep its identity anonymous.
But that hasn't stopped us from
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trying to find out who or what
they are.
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They come in many different
shapes, sizes and designs.
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Saucers, bright lights, cigar
shaped and metallic spheres,
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orbs of light green streaks or
even a flash.
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The truth is that we have no
idea what is happening in the
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space above our heads and where
there is a mystery, there is
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someone trying to solve it.
For the mystery of the
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Unidentified Flying Object, or
more recently referred to as
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Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon
in the skies over the United
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States, that searcher is Many
private organizations from
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around the country keep their
eyes glued to the skies for
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slightest of sightings, giving
them a sliver of evidence.
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When one new entity pops up, it
usually means the end of another
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one, with a constant game of
superiority constantly going
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back and forth.
However, there are quite a few
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that have stuck around for a
long time and show no signs of
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stopping in the near future, But
one stands about the rest, one
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not of the private sector.
This would be the United States
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government and no matter the
form, whether it comes in the
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shape of the United States Air
Force, the Central Intelligence
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Agency, the Defense Intelligence
Agency, the Federal Bureau of
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Investigations, or some unknown
entity under the governmental
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umbrella, the fact is that they
have watched the skies just as
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long as civilians.
We have dedicated an incredible
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amount of time, effort, money,
and people to the search for the
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truth.
The projects are many and the
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search is always ongoing.
Today we dive into the basics of
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UFOs and the government.
Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit
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Hole.
Present 1985 Future Past.
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Prior to this point in time,
somewhere in the past, the
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timeline skewed into this
tangent, creating a Wall Street
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in 1985 alternate to You need an
Einstein reality for everyone
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else.
Welcome back to the Infinite
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Rabbit Hole, everybody.
I am your host, Jeremy, and
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today we're going to dive into
some of the lesser known and
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well known government UFO
programs, specifically from the
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40s to the 90s.
Gentlemen, gentlemen.
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As in Jake and Jefferson.
Using.
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His full name, huh?
Yeah, his full name.
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That is not my name, but I'll go
with it.
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It's your name today, Jefferson.
How are you doing?
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I'm good buddy.
How are you doing?
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I'm.
Good, good.
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What'd you do today, man?
I went fishing this morning and
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then I took a nap and then I
played some battlefield and then
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I got a milkshake.
Watching NASA make sure they're
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not not doing.
So I would never watch.
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I would never watch NASA, man,
Why would I ever do something
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like that?
They're totally trustworthy and
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everything they've ever done is
100% legit.
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They're definitely not
laundering billions of dollars
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or anything like that, you know?
So I'll tell you.
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I'll tell you a funny story.
I I went out and bought some of
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that Tactus Squatch coffee for K
cups.
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Oh, yeah.
I didn't know it was a dark one
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or a dark roast.
Was not ready for that.
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You got to read the labels
sometimes on things.
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It is what it is.
I know reading's not your.
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I love dark roast stuff.
I drink whatever I drink, but
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it's always dark roast.
Yeah.
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Speaking of Jake.
What's up dude?
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How was your cup of coffee this
morning?
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It was good.
It was good.
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It was dark.
And then I put about a gallon of
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Creamer in it so I couldn't
taste it anymore.
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You know, I could taste with
sugar.
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So it was pretty decent.
And then me and my wife went and
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joined my friend Jeremy
actually, and his wife and his
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family over at the Pickle Fest
in Boyceville somewhere in my a
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Pickle fest shirt, which was
strange because for calling it a
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pickle fest, there was a single
booth selling anything remotely
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similar to Pickles.
And they're like, I was like,
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that's kind of weird.
You couldn't like, there's
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nothing here to do with Pickles.
Like no pickle foods of any
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kinds.
And they're like, yeah, we came
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here three years ago and we
started selling Pickles here
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because we noticed the exact
same thing.
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It's a very strange festival to
go to where there's nothing
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related to Pickles.
So I'm like, OK, but is a good
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time.
I watched the parade.
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Jeremy's daughter was in the
parade.
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So that was cool then.
And then I came home and do the
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dishes, took a nap, we cleaned
out the chicken coop, and now
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I'm here.
Yeah, I was expecting like, I
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don't know, at least like a
pickle cake or.
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Fried Pickles something.
Fried Pickles.
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Pickle.
Brats.
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Yeah, pickle chips, just like
something.
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There was nothing.
There was a lot of cars in the
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parade with Pickles scrapped to
them, but.
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Other than.
That and there was nothing
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really pickly about Pickle Fest.
It's.
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Very strange.
I will say, Jefferson, I will
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say that the parade was much
better than it was at UFO Days,
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so we're going to have to work
on that.
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No cheese throwing though.
I was going to say, is there any
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assault cheese?
There was no no assault cheese
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this time, which was
disappointing, but we did get
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assaulted by plenty of candy.
And then, gosh, what was the
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other thing?
The other thing?
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The other thing, The thing.
Now.
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Well, I can't remember.
Show, show everybody your beer
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tat man.
For all the people watching.
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Oh, no, yeah.
Everybody look how lanky this
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dude is.
He's like a freaking slender
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man.
He's really that tall.
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Thanks.
So there's a guy there that was
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selling beer taps.
So Jeremy was like, hey, let me
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get you one for your birthday
coming up next weekend.
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So he did.
So I got this Yeti beer tap.
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I actually went on to the
website to try to get you get
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you some but they don't ship.
So, oh, the Yeti Imperial Stout.
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Yeah, I'm not a big imperial
stout guy, so I probably
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wouldn't like it that much, but.
Still would have got it for you.
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Yeah, just to put it up on the
on the rack back here with the
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bat Squatch.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Well, Jeff?
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Yep.
Started up shadow band again,
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man.
I did.
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Man, why?
What's coming up it?
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Was a sleepy dude.
No, we so we have like kind of a
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new format.
We're actually not bringing or
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knowing what we're bringing for
the next week, right.
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So like it's kind of a surprise.
It's kind of like a hey, what
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did you learn or what did you
hear last week?
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Boom.
And then that'll just kick off
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the conversation because you
know, we don't script anything.
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We just kind of, we just wing
it.
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Just BSN, huh?
Yeah, just BSN and then we
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recorded like 3 episodes, only
posted one because we've been
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having like issues with Twitch.
People don't know streaming is
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hard.
I didn't get an invite.
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Well, you don't follow and have
notification bells turned on, do
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you?
No.
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I didn't get an invite to to
record with you guys.
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I'm, I'm sad.
Oh well, I'm sad, Jake.
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That's kind of messed up, man.
We like high value guests.
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You know, racist, actually.
All right, guys, we're going to
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jump into UFOs from the 40s to
the 90s, specifically the
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government projects.
Anything that you guys are
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looking forward to hearing
about?
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I have a couple things in the
back of my mind.
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I just want to see if you if you
hit them or not.
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We'll see.
I will.
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I also have a couple things in
the back of my mind and I'm
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curious as to whether Jeff will
hit them or not.
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Oh, I'll hit them.
Well, I'm curious if Jake will
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hit any of.
Them he hits all those things.
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I hit it.
Don't put a thing in front of
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Jeff.
He'll hit it.
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Let's go.
All right.
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You guys ready to jump into
this?
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Ready.
All right, World War 2 There is
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a common belief that the modern
era of UFOs came at the end of
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the Second World War when the US
dropped atomic bombs on the
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Japanese cities of Hiroshima and
Nagasaki in 1945.
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Some claim that it was in 1947
when Kenneth Arnold made the
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first report of the 9 saucer
plate shaped craft over Mount
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Rainier in Washington state
while he was piloting a small
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aircraft himself.
Although neither of these are
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necessarily wrong when
discussing the point in which
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UFO those began to show up in
greater numbers all around the
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world, they were far from the
1st events just prior to the
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bombings that aided in the end
of the World War, there was a
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threat in the air that kept both
allies and adversaries on their
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toes.
To many of this came in the form
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of balls of light that famously
became known as Foo Fighters
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with the first use of the term
coming in 1944, with the
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earliest sighting on record
coming on February 26th 1942.
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In response, investigations by
many of the governments in the
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world were initiated to try and
find out what these mysterious
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objects were, but nobody could
figure it out.
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When fired upon, the lights
would simply allow the round the
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pass through, or on some
occasions they would seem to
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absorb the projectiles.
Everyone thought that these Foo
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Fighters were secret weapons of
their own enemies, and figuring
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out their mystery had become a
temporary top priority.
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Author Keith Chester dedicated
the entire book to the subject
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of Foo Fighters and other
military encounters with UFOs in
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World War 2, titled Strange
Company.
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In this publication, he
ultimately concludes that after
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the war had ended, it seemed
that the Allies no longer cared
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about the phenomenon they
witnessed and were just happy
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that they were victorious.
Less than a year after the war
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concluded, the European sub
region of Scandinavia began
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seeing another strange
phenomenon in the sky that were
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being referred to as ghost
rockets.
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These ghost rockets resembled
the German V2 rocket in shape as
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they both shared the same cigar
shaped frame.
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This prompted the United States
to begin a brief study into what
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these objects could be due to EU
s s concern that this was a new
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Soviet technology.
But according to author Kevin D
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Randall in his book The UFO
Dossier, when the Soviet Union
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collapsed in 1991 and many of
their records became public,
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there was absolutely no mention
of any project regarding
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technology for either the Ghost
Rockets or Foo Fighters.
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Although there are no official
fancy names on file or in public
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circles for the brief programs
looking at these two mysteries,
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other than the two figured title
of T2 which was specifically
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given to the intelligence entity
tied to these programs at Wright
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Patterson Air Force Base.
They were however, the first two
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known investigations into UFOs
that the United States
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government invested time and
money into for UFO studies.
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But one man by the name of
Colonel Howard McCoy, who was a
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part of both studies regarding
Foo Fighters and Ghost rockets,
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was ordered to begin another
official investigation in 1946
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at the base he stood as
commander of in Dayton, OH.
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Previously referred to as Wright
Field, this installation is now
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known as Wright Patterson Air
Force Base and is one of the
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most mysterious, serious, and
intriguing military
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installations in the world.
Some of them put it on the same
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or higher tier than the famed
Area 51 in Nevada.
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The investigations were to jump
start a new wave of studies into
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the mystery of the Foo Fighters
and Ghost Rockets as well as a
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few other strange objects in the
sky in various parts of the
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United States.
One of the very first cases that
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this new team investigated was a
case in Virginia originally
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reported by a member of the US
Weather Bureau who claims to
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witness quote a disk like metal
Chrome object and quote shaped
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like an eclipse with a flat
level bottom and a Dome like top
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on three separate occasions in a
six month period beginning on
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April 1st, 1947.
This account would predate the
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famed Kenneth Arnold story where
the term flying saucer was first
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coined just shy of three months
and was even followed up by
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reports by other observers at
the same station in Richmond.
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All right, guys.
So World War 2 UFOs, Foo
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Fighters and Ghost Rockets, as
well as the discovery that
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Kenneth Arnold wasn't
necessarily the first one to
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describe a flying saucer.
I don't know about any of these
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here.
Foo Fighters.
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The only Foo Fighters I know
about is a band.
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Oh no, we I got a whole episode
ready to go in diving into Foo
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Fighters.
They're awesome.
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You're going to love this.
I mean, it's just like that.
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It's so perfect, right, That all
the sudden, well, I can actually
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not let me stop because I was
about to say something and then
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I thought about more information
that I know about.
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I was going to say it's
convenient that during World War
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2 is when like the sightings
start, right?
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But really that's not the case
because there's like ancient
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accounts of crazy shit happening
in the sky and, you know, flying
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objects and stuff, so.
This was just the, the, the
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starting line for the explosion
of them.
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Like, I mean, there's been
objects in the sky since, you
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know, yeah, forever ancient
times.
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This is just the the modern
explosion, if you would.
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But it is interesting.
Go ahead.
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Basically it seems that the
whole UFO phenomenon, like the
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major parts of it, the major
ports of it, relied heavily on
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humanity's ability to put things
into space, rockets, missiles,
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things like that.
So that's what really pushes me
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towards man made craft because
it didn't really take off, no
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pun intended, until until people
got the ability to put things
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into the atmosphere like the V2
rocket program, intercontinental
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ballistic missiles, things like
that.
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Now that's what they're seeing.
There's ancient stuff as well,
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and that's it could be a mixture
of it for sure.
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I mean, because before we could
fly and they're seeing things in
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the sky that aren't birds.
That's, you know, a problem, but
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I think that it's a mixture of
both spiritual phenomenon and
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man made vehicles mic drop.
It's just suspicious that these
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you know that they would be
spiritual at like what he's
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talking about.
Like most of these sightings
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that were that are talked about
in World War 2.
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I think those are are probably
man made.
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No, I agree.
Yeah, it's probably like the
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start of them getting their
hands on this technology, you
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know, that they're able to to
build these craft and that's why
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they were like, you know, like
the Nazi bell and all that are
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like the shapes that they are
and that they're made out of
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metal and these types of things.
Because sure, you know, I doubt
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that the interdimensionals have
like metal craft but.
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Right.
They're not using like some sort
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of nanotechnology that's way
more advanced than aluminum and
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steel, right?
Yeah.
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Yeah.
So Jeff, you like to talk about
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the the, the puppet masters
having technology that's far
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ahead of ours because they allow
certain levels of technology to
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trickle out.
Do you think that this is
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something that falls underneath
that same concept?
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Yeah.
I mean, these, you know,
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remember, we're talking about
World War 2, right?
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So we know that the Nazis were
building some crazy stuff.
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We were, I mean, we were all
building crazy stuff at the
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time, right?
We were trying to get his head
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as a head as we could with, you
know, flying craft and all that
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other stuff.
So.
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And we ended up taking a lot of
their scientists to do all the
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programs that further advanced
all of that crazy stuff.
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So there's no reason to think
that they weren't already using
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some of the crazy stuff during
the war.
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And that's what a lot of these
people were saying.
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Like, you know, a lot of these
pilots were seeing crazy disc
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craft.
And that was probably like early
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prototypes of I, I wouldn't even
say, well, yeah, it was probably
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Nazi stuff, but I don't even
know if it was like, like
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military, if that makes it makes
sense.
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It was like black budget Nazi
stuff, you know, dark program
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stuff that was still being
tested.
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I think that there was some
really weird shit in the skies
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in World War 2.
Now.
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I mean, I've got a, I've got a,
you know, a peek under the
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covers here because I started
doing research into an entire
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episode dedicated to Foo
Fighters, which I'm going to try
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to separate as much as I can
from this episode.
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Probably.
We're probably going to do that
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quarter one or quarter 2 of next
year.
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But there's some really, really
cool shit, man, Really cool
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shit.
Just to kind of go over one of
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the really strange phenomena
that were that were happening to
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planes on both sides.
You know, you had the the good
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guys and the bad guys from our
point of view, right?
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There were these little token
like things just like the size
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of 1/4 from the size of 1/4 to
like the size of like a sand
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dollar, right that were floating
in the sky and they would land
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on the skin of aircraft and melt
it and just burn holes right
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through them.
They would just fly through
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swarms of these things.
And then there were like people
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on on islands, right, that were
just bunkered up there.
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And there were just these silver
cigar shaped craft just flying
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over above the cloud cover with
absolutely no sound whatsoever.
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And there were no, no, like I'm
talking like a fleet of these
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things, like 100 or more of them
just flying over top speed just.
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I mean, like how, yeah, it still
doesn't change my, my thoughts
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on it, right?
Because like, how deep do you
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want to go?
There's there's theories that
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they had time travel technology,
right?
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That the Nazis could travel all
the time.
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So.
The Nazi bill was known, was
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thought to.
Right.
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And as I always say, as soon as
you or everybody said, as soon
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as you turn the machine on, as
soon as you turn The Time
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Machine on, like it's over,
because you can go forward, you
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can go back, you can figure you
can do all these things.
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So instantaneously they go from
having The Time Machine turned
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on to having fleets of UFOs,
giant cigar shaped UFOs,
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breakaway civilization,
technology from the future.
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Like that's possible if they
have that technology.
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You know what I'm saying?
Isn't the idea.
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Forget the guy's name.
There's like some physicist and
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he talks about, you know, that
that's the whole thing.
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It's like when The Time Machine
get or when time travel gets
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invented somewhere in the
universe, you can't travel back
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before that, but from that point
forward you could.
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Everything happens all at once,
right?
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So you now have access to what
you have in the future as long
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as you have access to the time.
Machine, I think.
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I think that's a really good
point for.
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That's a really good piece of
evidence for why we don't have
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that technology right now.
Just because we're not seeing it
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all right now at this moment,
Yeah.
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Or are we?
No.
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Well, times not linear, right?
You're just perceiving this
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moment.
You're living in the now that
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you that you're consciousness is
choosing to live in, right?
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Like how deep you want to go
there too?
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I want to go real deep dude,
give it to me.
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How much time you got?
You got a long presentation in
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your book.
Give me all 3 1/2 inches, dude,
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Let's go.
You know what I mean?
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We're going to page 5 of Google
tonight.
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But you know, you get what I'm
saying, right?
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Like, I know I'm just speaking
off the cuff here, but the idea
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that time is linear and like
that hasn't happened yet,
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that's, that's fake, right?
Like that's not real.
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What's real is that everything
is happening all at once, I
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think right now.
I think that if time travel was
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real, that you would see a major
world power.
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I mean, and you know, everyone
points at like, yeah, the, the
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police of the, of the world are
the United States and the Navy,
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right?
I don't think we are strong
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enough to prove that time travel
exists.
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I think that you would see
something absolutely intense and
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just absolutely incredible when
it comes to power, projection of
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power, everything when it comes
to time travel, because I think
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Jeff's right.
I think once time travel is
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established that it is invented
and now it is being controlled,
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I think that is a weaponry that
will easily get out of hand.
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I mean, they can literally
rewrite history and you would be
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living through it right now.
Yeah.
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Do you like whenever I talk
about breakaway civilization,
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what do you feel about that?
Do you think that that's like a
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thing just crazy talk possible?
No, No idea.
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No, I, I do think that there are
the puppet masters, right?
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I do, I I just don't think, I
don't, don't think that the the
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trickling of technology is a
thing.
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Absolutely not.
I believe that there are,
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there's slightly better
technology than what the public
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has.
And I don't think it's owned by
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any government military, right.
It's going to be the
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contractors, like Jake always
says, it's going to be the
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contractors that has the better,
that have the better technology,
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but they're not to the point to
where they're taking 90° angles
400
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,480
at Mach 3.
You know what I'm saying?
401
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,680
That there's no way we're at
that right now.
402
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,280
Absolutely not.
I believe personally that some
403
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,160
of these people back in like the
the 40s, fifties, I think that
404
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,960
they were developing such
advanced technology then that
405
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,080
they've developed in a breakaway
civilization.
406
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,920
Like I honestly think that there
could be like human cloning,
407
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,920
like space fleets, all of that
happening and we're, we're just
408
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,120
here, we're just on or think of
it as like a, you know, like a
409
00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,160
prison planet.
You know, we're just information
410
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,080
is tight.
We don't really understand or
411
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,520
know what's going on outside the
atmosphere except for what we're
412
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840
told.
We're the Ant inside the Ant
413
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,280
farm.
Basically.
414
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,480
The they're the people that on
the outside that are controlling
415
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,760
the whole thing.
Exactly.
416
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,080
They could be whole clone
armies, just like in Star Wars.
417
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,680
I mean, cloning technologies
definitely a thing and it's been
418
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,360
around for a while.
And if it was, and it's been
419
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,320
around in the public for a long
time, right.
420
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,800
So it's like they could have
been doing human cloning back in
421
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,360
the 50s.
They could have fleets of, you
422
00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:29,000
know.
I believe cloning is a thing
423
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:35,320
that exists, but to be some
Alien Ant Farm, Yeah, there you
424
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:40,360
go.
I don't think so because of a
425
00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,720
few things, right.
One, think of farmers, right?
426
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,880
If if two of their animals don't
coexist very well, what do they
427
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,200
do?
They separate them because they
428
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,080
don't want to fucking kill.
They don't want them to kill
429
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,640
each other, right.
If we're somebody's valuable
430
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,760
objects, why would they allow us
to have nuclear weapons?
431
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,360
And I mean, that is a good
argument when it comes to UFOs
432
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,120
and the Malmstrom Air Force Base
and all the other nuclear shit
433
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:09,000
that happens around these
strange things in the skies.
434
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,600
But other than, you know, I
don't know, man.
435
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,800
I didn't.
I didn't mean it like that.
436
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,800
I meant it like the governments
of the world are so far
437
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:25,080
separated from the citizens of
their countries that we only get
438
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:28,840
what they're willing to give us.
In the same way ants in an Ant
439
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,400
farm are sitting there getting
observed and Oh my gosh, master
440
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,200
gave us a piece of bread today
type stuff.
441
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,400
We only get the amount of news
that they're willing to give us,
442
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,000
the lies they're willing to tell
us, all that sort of stuff.
443
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,720
And then we have to speculate
further on that.
444
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,720
And they're so far detached and
like on the outside doing all
445
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,840
kinds of weird stuff.
We just have no clue.
446
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,520
There is no such thing as the
modern government.
447
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,360
It doesn't exist.
It's all tech companies now, and
448
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,400
those tech companies want you to
buy their products.
449
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,160
I'm not convinced nukes are
real.
450
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,040
I think you're crazy.
People haven't said that before.
451
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,680
Why?
Why aren't nukes real?
452
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,480
I mean, I've never seen one.
I've heard about them.
453
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,600
I've had I've had Big Brother
tell me that they exist and to
454
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,480
be afraid of them.
I've heard it.
455
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,920
I mean, there's a lot of things
that I haven't seen, but I've.
456
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,520
Heard it used as a as a
propaganda tool for us to go
457
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,240
into war, right?
To spend trillions of dot to
458
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,360
launder trillions of dollars.
But I've never seen any like
459
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,440
actual evidence that nukes
exist.
460
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,120
I've seen evidence that huge
explosions happen, right?
461
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:33,640
Massive bombs exist, sure.
But like, do nukes exist?
462
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,640
I mean, I don't know, yes, could
just be propaganda as far as I'm
463
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,800
concerned.
I've never seen a hippopotamus.
464
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,560
I went to the zoo one time and I
heard a hippo was going to be
465
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,280
there and and it wasn't.
Yeah, and I'm sick or something.
466
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,320
I'm not, I'm not taking a hard
stance like on oh, I just if I
467
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,080
can't see it, it's not real on
everything.
468
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,160
I'm just saying like.
Never seen Mount Rushmore in
469
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,720
person.
There's a lot of propaganda for
470
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,040
the nukes, right?
And I'm just saying it'd be,
471
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,400
it'd be a real clever tool for
all the world governments or the
472
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240
shadow governments to pull
strings to just say, hey, look,
473
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,720
everybody's got these weapons
that could kill everybody.
474
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,920
Watch out.
Like, do what we say.
475
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,000
We got to pass some laws to
restrict your rights and privacy
476
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,160
all for decades and decades and
decades and spend trillions of
477
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,720
dollars for decades and decades
and decades.
478
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,000
Because watch out, there's this
thing that we tell you exists
479
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,440
that 9 or 10 other countries
also have.
480
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,800
Be careful.
Yeah.
481
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,400
All right, all.
Right.
482
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,680
Just like terrorism, just like
communism, just like you know
483
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,360
what's going to be the next
alien threat.
484
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:35,600
Just like certain microscopic
things that may have happened in
485
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,440
the last few years that I won't
get into.
486
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:38,920
Why not?
I don't know.
487
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,520
That's literally the point of
the show is to get into this.
488
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,520
Can't talk about that particular
thing on Twitch.
489
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,480
Oh.
Yeah, so you can't talk about.
490
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,960
That I was just saying that you
probably watch stream ended.
491
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,600
All right.
You guys ready to move on?
492
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,280
Yeah.
All right.
493
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,640
Let's argue further in the next
section.
494
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,320
Yes, these are the ones that
probably everyone's familiar
495
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,520
with.
Yeah, Projects Sign and grudge.
496
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:12,080
Then on June 24th, 1947, fire
equipment salesman Kenneth
497
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:16,520
Arnold While piloting his
private plane near Mount Rainier
498
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,680
in Washington state, Arnold
witnessed 9 luminary objects
499
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,640
moving at unbelievable speeds.
Kenneth Arnold would become one
500
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,920
of the most influential
experiencers in the history of
501
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,240
UFOs, all due to his famous
description of the craft and
502
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,360
their movements.
As a quote, a saucer skipping
503
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:39,360
across the water.
When this report was originally
504
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,320
received, it was picked up by a
wire service who distributed the
505
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,800
news to television, newspaper
and radio stations across the
506
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,400
country with the highlighted
term flying saucer, hence the
507
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,720
birth of the famous title used
in so many descriptions of
508
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,600
metallic UFOs in recent history.
It was three weeks later that
509
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,760
Kenneth Arnold would pen a
concern to the commanding
510
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,160
officer of Right Field in
Dayton, OH that we just talked
511
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,120
about Colonel Howard McCoy,
asking for a clear explanation
512
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:11,160
of what he saw that day.
Arnold's report was only one of
513
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,960
the first of many that came
flooding in in the form of
514
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,200
photographs, statements and
articles from all around the
515
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,200
country.
So much so that a problem arose
516
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,320
as there were far too many
reports and nobody delegated to
517
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:30,560
file or investigate them.
On December 30th, 1947, the CIA
518
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,960
announces the need for such a
project, and Project Sign was
519
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,720
born as a part of the Air
Technical Intelligence Center,
520
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,320
which was created as an effort
to better collect, evaluate, and
521
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,280
distribute reports to
departments that were better
522
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,200
suited if need be.
Official investigations as part
523
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,320
of Project Sign began on January
22nd, 1948.
524
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Every Air Force Base around the
country had a representative
525
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,680
attached to Project Sign in some
capacity and would be dispatched
526
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,520
to investigate sightings based
on their proximity to their
527
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,360
report.
If the event was big enough,
528
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,640
representatives from the main
branch for Project Sign and
529
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,720
Wright Patterson would be sent
instead.
530
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,360
After almost 14 months, Project
Sign reported its findings in
531
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,600
February of 1949 after
evaluating 243 sightings in the
532
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,160
US and 30 in foreign territories
in a report titled The Findings
533
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,760
of Project Sign Quote.
No definite and conclusive
534
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,040
evidence is yet available that
would prove or disprove the
535
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,720
existence of these unidentified
objects as real aircraft of
536
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,240
unknown and conventional
configuration.
537
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,840
It is unlikely that positive
proof of their existence will be
538
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,840
obtained without examination of
the remains of crashed objects.
539
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,760
But the project never really
ended.
540
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,960
Instead, on February 11th the
same year project Sign became
541
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,960
the new Project Grudge.
The main difference between the
542
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,840
two projects were mostly the
personnel and their point of
543
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,360
views on the subjects of UFOs,
where the people attached the
544
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,880
project sign were very
interested in finding the truth
545
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,120
about these aerial phenomenon.
Those that were newly attached
546
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,400
to Project Grudge were seemingly
willing to simply dismiss the
547
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,400
subject entirely.
Or maybe that was the entire
548
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,840
purpose of the new project, as
is one of the more common
549
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,680
beliefs for the reason for
Grudge's existence being that
550
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,960
their entire purpose was to
install a disbelief in UFOs and
551
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,560
any talks of alien beings in the
public to relieve the stress
552
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,840
that the Air Force was feeling
due to concerned citizens of the
553
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,600
United States.
According to author Kevin D
554
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,560
Brandl, the evidence of this
showed up in an article of the
555
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,520
Saturday Evening Post claiming
that UFO sightings were hoaxes
556
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,440
and misidentifications.
But this backfired and the
557
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,640
following week reports of UFOs
spiked.
558
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,760
In August of 1949, Grudge
published a report claiming
559
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,200
exactly the same, while also
mentioning that 23% of the
560
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,160
reports that have been
investigated remain unexplained.
561
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Quote reports of UFOs were the
result of misinterpretations of
562
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,320
conventional objects, a mild
form of mass hysteria, or
563
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,200
Wardner's and individuals who
fabricate such reports to
564
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,560
perpetrate a hoax or to seek
publicity.
565
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,280
It was the recommendation of the
project to reduce the volume in
566
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,280
Grudges presence and in response
the Air Force reduced the
567
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,680
personnel down to one man by the
name of James Rogers.
568
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,200
This was seen as the non
official end of Project Grudge,
569
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,240
although the project would
continue in minimal capacity
570
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,120
until late in the year of 1999.
Eventually, Grudge would then be
571
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,160
left in the hands of Captain
Edward J Rubel due to Rogers and
572
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,560
his superior officer making a
mockery of the reports that were
573
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,760
being turned into the Chief of
Air Force Intelligence, Major
574
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,120
General Charles Cabell.
Up until this point, the reports
575
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,240
that Rogers had received were
being filed away or not being
576
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,760
reported up the chain of command
any further than his superior
577
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,720
officer, General Harold Watson.
The famous Fort Monmouth
578
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,480
sightings began on September
11th, 1951 was a report that
579
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,280
Cabell discovered Rogers and
Watson were submitting false
580
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,800
reports from real incidents to
him.
581
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,160
This was due to many
high-ranking officers coming to
582
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,440
see him in person asking for a
response from Project Grudge.
583
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,880
When Cabell responded with the
information that he had from
584
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,880
Watson and Rogers, he was
furious to find out that
585
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,160
everything he was told was a lie
and that there were real people
586
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,320
with real concerning issues
involving national security
587
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,120
waiting for legitimate responses
and immediately relieved the two
588
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,160
from the project and inserted
rappel instead.
589
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,440
There may have been a lot of
drama and issues with sincerity,
590
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,720
but there was one enormous thing
that came with Project Sign and
591
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,280
Grudge.
In March of 1952, another
592
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,280
project was created that would
take a much deeper and more
593
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,080
intimate dive into the
phenomenon of the UFO, one
594
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,920
simply titled Blue Book.
All right gents, what do you
595
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,440
guys think of Project Grudge and
Project Sign?
596
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,800
This Kenneth Arnold guy is
something I looked at two years
597
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,840
ago, put out on the show.
Probably a lot, lot longer than
598
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,520
that.
I think that was talked about
599
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,720
first year dude.
Why I hate UFOs and stuff like
600
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,720
that.
And it was because of his report
601
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,880
where he didn't even say it was
a flying saucer.
602
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:28,160
He said it was a Crescent shaped
object and within he reported it
603
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,120
to the news.
The news said flying saucer and
604
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,920
then like 300 people came out
and said I saw the saucer too so
605
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,360
they're all BS ING and lying
about something they didn't
606
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,120
actually see because it wasn't
actually what he reported to the
607
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,960
news.
It was incorrect.
608
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,120
Yes, true.
But there were there were
609
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,880
objects that were described to
be shaped just like the modern
610
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:57,720
flying saucer described by that
meteorology program that we just
611
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,520
discussed in the previous
portion.
612
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,400
And during World War 2, these
Foo Fighters came in many
613
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,760
different forms.
They came in mostly balls of
614
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,080
light, but they were also
metallic disc shaped craft that
615
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,120
were also being reported
throughout World War 2.
616
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,159
So yes, there there were a lot
of people that came after
617
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,199
Kenneth Arnold that was also
like, yeah, I saw a flying
618
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,440
saucer as well.
That's the perfect description.
619
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,400
Most of them were probably BS
and if not all of them, but
620
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,840
there were descriptions of a
saucer like Craft plenty of
621
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,000
years before Kenneth Arnold did
his thing.
622
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:42,679
So here's the psyop that the
Fort Monmouth sightings
623
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,800
beginning on September 11th,
right?
624
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,120
And it's this submitting false
reports from real incidents,
625
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,360
right?
It's like the same thing that
626
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,560
happened on September 11th,
2001, right?
627
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,640
And then there was like false
reports of real incidents.
628
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,400
So some of these like Colts that
pull the strings, these shadow
629
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,240
government, you know, death coal
people like this is how they
630
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,640
signal, I think to people to
themselves really behind the
631
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,120
scenes is by doing stuff like
this, you know, like this, the
632
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,600
sighting, like the sightings
start on September 11th.
633
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,600
Like that's a signal right to
these people for whatever,
634
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,120
whatever that means to them.
The two pillars, like that's a
635
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,520
whole other thing, but.
I don't know.
636
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,120
I don't know what called you
crazy.
637
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,240
Oh.
Yeah, it does sound crazy.
638
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:35,360
It is crazy.
But even in like tarot cards,
639
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,880
like there's like the two, the
two pillars and there's like
640
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,480
things that, you know, have to
do.
641
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,600
Like it's all like a cult
symbolism and, you know, psyop
642
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,240
stuff.
But, you know, carry on.
643
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,520
I don't know.
It's a psyop.
644
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,840
Bro, I don't know.
I don't know.
645
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,720
I I will.
I I just want to be clear to
646
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,360
anybody listening.
These are brief descriptions of
647
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,200
these programs.
We will dive into most, if not
648
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,120
all of these programs much more
heavily in the future.
649
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,920
I We.
Lot of episodes right here.
650
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,720
Lot of episodes, lot of
episodes, these are all
651
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:15,560
preambles to full episodes that
will be coming out down the
652
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,560
line.
I mean, obviously Grudge and
653
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Grudge.
We just talked about Grudge and
654
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,240
Sign.
There's enough there to do like
655
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,760
a three, four part series on it.
Just those two along.
656
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,960
And then Project Blue Book,
which we'll discuss very briefly
657
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,080
here in a little bit.
Just because you know,
658
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,640
everybody's talked about Project
Blue Book at some point, that
659
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,960
will also that that project
alone could take 3 or 4
660
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,800
episodes, if not more.
Didn't you guys already do an
661
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,320
episode on Project Blue Book?
You and Jeff.
662
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,720
No project blue bean.
OK, yeah, my mistake.
663
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,400
Different things.
They both say blue, so it.
664
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,600
Sounds, yeah, but it's not
different things, right?
665
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,680
Project Bluebeam is this even?
It's even this is what I'm
666
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,000
saying.
It's even the the psychological
667
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,600
pre programming of people behind
the scenes, the Intel community,
668
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:09,920
right?
You got to pre program those
669
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,360
people before you can pre
program the rest of the
670
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,880
population.
Right.
671
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,640
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
672
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:22,080
I, I don't, I don't.
I do believe that Bluebeam
673
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,760
exists to a point.
I don't believe that it was even
674
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,520
thought about back in this time
frame in the 40s.
675
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,960
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
676
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,760
I mean you have to think like
the the whole blue beam.
677
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,800
Hold on.
Like Playbook, if you will,
678
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,680
right, involves incredible
technologies that just weren't a
679
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,760
thing in the 40s.
You want me to go ahead and get
680
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,440
on to the next section?
Sure.
681
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,880
And then you can come back with
that.
682
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Yeah.
All right, Jake.
683
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,880
You got anything else?
Go for it.
684
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:53,840
No.
All right, cool.
685
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,080
Various documents.
Sometime in 1948, soon after the
686
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,640
commencement of Project Sign,
the Air Technical Intelligence
687
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Center ordered a classified
extensive background
688
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,520
investigation into the
phenomenon of UFOs by way of an
689
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,800
quote estimate of the situation.
An estimate of the situation is
690
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,040
defined by the US Naval
Institute as a quote, a logical
691
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,600
process which, starting with a
mission to be accomplished and
692
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,040
taking account of all existing
conditions, leads up to a
693
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,200
decision which, when reached, is
seen to have resulted more or
694
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:33,200
less inevitably from the mission
and the conditions considered
695
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,600
together.
In layman's terms, it's a
696
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,280
problem solving process, now
referred to as MET T, an acronym
697
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,640
for Mission, Enemy, Terrain and
Weather, Troops and support
698
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,800
available and time available.
According to author Howard Bloom
699
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,600
in his book Out There.
The conclusion of this
700
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,080
estimation presented by the
previously mentioned Captain
701
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,880
Edward Rupal, who would later go
on to head Project Blue Book,
702
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,080
was quote the unidentified
flying objects or of
703
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,560
extraterrestrial origin.
When this was made the official
704
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,960
end statement of the estimate of
the situation, then Air Force
705
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,040
Chief of Staff General Hoyt
Vandenberg immediately rescinded
706
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,360
the statement due to quote lack
of verifiable proof.
707
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,160
The estimate was then destroyed
and never distributed.
708
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,760
In its place, the Top secret 26
page Air Force Intelligence
709
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:33,160
Report 100 Tech 2O3 Tech 79 was
released, titled Analysis of
710
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,680
Flying Object Incidents in the
US, highlighting more publicity
711
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,200
acceptable statements to the
previously mentioned quote
712
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,840
estimate of the situation.
It must be accepted that some
713
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,800
types of flying objects have
been observed, although their
714
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,920
identification and origin are
not discernible, in the interest
715
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,320
of National Defense, and it
would be unwise to overlook the
716
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,240
possibility that some of these
objects may be of foreign
717
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:00,360
origin.
End Quote.
718
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:06,200
On August 12th, 1954, Air Force
Regulation 200 Tack 2 titled
719
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,080
Release of Facts was issued and
signed by the Chief of Staff
720
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,160
General Nathan Twinning stating
quote.
721
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,800
In response to local inquiries,
it is permissible to inform news
722
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,040
media representatives when
objects are positively
723
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,360
identified as a familiar object.
For those objects which are not
724
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,800
explainable, only the fact that
the Air Technical Intelligence
725
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,800
Center will analyze the data is
worthy of release.
726
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,120
Due to the many unknowns
involved, we once again see
727
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,520
another notice showing up on the
desk of base commanders all
728
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,520
across the country on December
24th, 1959 with an official
729
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,200
reminder quote.
Unidentified flying objects,
730
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,880
sometimes treated lightly by the
press and referred to as flying
731
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,520
saucers, must be rapidly and
accurately identified as serious
732
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,040
United States Air Force business
in the ZI or Interior Zone.
733
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,080
Technical and defense
considerations will continue to
734
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,480
exist.
One of the earliest publicly
735
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,280
released reports ever on the
phenomenon of UFOs in the skies
736
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,200
over the United States by a
government entity was the
737
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,000
official CIA monograph, The
Investigation of UFOs, published
738
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,000
in 1961.
In 1975, the Strategic Air
739
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,320
Command released an alert
specifically referring to the
740
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,840
UFO presence around nuclear
weapons supply depots and bases,
741
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,440
which was now being looked at as
an act of aggression.
742
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,800
The first of these incidents
took place at Loring Air Force
743
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,200
Base in Limestone, ME, where a
reported unidentified helicopter
744
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,120
was spotted hovering over and
near the base for two days.
745
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,040
The multiple attempts by Air
Force personnel to identify the
746
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,240
craft was Knoll as the craft
neither had an IFF identify
747
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:55,160
friend or foe system, radio
communications, or had any
748
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,280
identifiable marks or
structures.
749
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,040
Shortly after, in the same week,
an incident that would become
750
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,600
one of the biggest events in all
of UFO history took place in
751
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,840
Great Falls, Mt at the Malmstrom
Air Force Base.
752
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:13,760
Quote at four O 5 Eastern
Standard Time SAC site L5,
753
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,280
observe one object accelerate
and climb rapidly to a point in
754
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,800
altitude where it became
indistinguishable from stars.
755
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,320
NORAD or the North American
Aerospace Defense Command will
756
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,520
carry this incident as a fate
Fusion analysts and development
757
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,680
effort remaining unknown at 3:20
Eastern Standard Time since
758
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,400
after that time only visual
sightings occurred. 2 weeks
759
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,640
later, another Strategic Air
Command facility in Mano, North
760
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,360
Dakota, another object which was
stated to be quote.
761
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,120
Bright and star like, passed
directly over to radar station
762
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,880
at 1002 thousand feet high.
In another incident in Grand
763
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,120
Rapids, MI, shots were fired at
an object that was described as
764
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,960
quote the size of a 2 1/2 ton
truck.
765
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,880
These and a few other incidents
eventually forced the then
766
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,320
commander in chief of NORAD to
send a briefing titled
767
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,440
suspicious unknown activity to
all units under his command.
768
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,560
Quote Since 28 October 75
numerous reports of suspicious
769
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,600
objects have been received at
the NORAD, COC, North American
770
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,400
Air Force Defense Combat
Operations Center.
771
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,760
Reliable military personnel at
Loring Air Force Base Main
772
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,840
Portsmouth Air Force Base,
Michigan, Malmstrom Air Force
773
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:40,040
Base, Minnow Air Force Base and
Canadian Forces Station Falcon
774
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,320
Bridge, Ontario have visually
sighted suspicious object.
775
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,400
The bases that were at the
center of these intrusions by
776
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,640
unknown craft deployed F1 O 6D
darts and various helicopters to
777
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,760
attempt identification, but all
efforts at ID of these craft,
778
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,200
both visual and other, had
failed.
779
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,080
Jeff, did you find what you were
looking for, bud?
780
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,680
Oh, Jeff left.
Nevermind.
781
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,560
That's pretty wild.
Yeah.
782
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,400
Yeah.
So we see basically the gist of
783
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,920
that section was that there were
a ton of memos, emails, official
784
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,800
script written and distributed
throughout various portions of
785
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,000
the military and U.S. government
that specifically identified
786
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:33,160
UFOs and the threat that they
they projected to certain
787
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,400
installations or people.
A lot, a lot of documents.
788
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,760
Jeffrey, what'd you get, man?
What?
789
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,800
Are you talking about what was I
looking up?
790
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,000
Yeah.
Oh, you were.
791
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,240
You were earlier.
You were saying that you didn't
792
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:48,480
think that the idea of Project
Bluebeam could have been that
793
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,960
old.
And I was like, well, I don't
794
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,160
know, man.
I I was looking up when Serge
795
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,800
Minas started talking about
that.
796
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,280
It was in the 90s.
So, yeah, you're probably right.
797
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:02,080
But you know, I, I still think
that I have a belief that these
798
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,560
people have been pulling strings
and doing things for thousands
799
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,920
of years.
So you know, the last 80 years
800
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,800
is like whatever, but.
Yeah, I, I don't disagree with
801
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,880
the thousands of years.
I think that's kind of been the
802
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,800
thing since, you know, like
serfdom and and kingdoms, right?
803
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,080
I think that's kind of always
been the thing.
804
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,000
I think that's going to be the
story as it's going to continue
805
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,760
until our extinction, you know,
and it's been the story since
806
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,600
our birth.
I just don't think that
807
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,600
something as advanced as Project
Bluebeam was being discussed in
808
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,160
World War 2.
Yeah, maybe not like to the
809
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,240
specifics as far as like
hologram projections and things
810
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,440
like that, but just the concept
of like switching the age and
811
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,720
changing the the religion and
changing the language and like
812
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,680
all of that, you know, into the
new the new age.
813
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,440
Like that's something I think
has been done repeatedly 100.
814
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,160
Percent totally agree with that.
But as far as like the direct
815
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,240
sightings and stuff, I mean, you
know, of course, like part of me
816
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:11,760
thinks that some of this for a
lot of this is probably human
817
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,000
made.
But the question is, is always
818
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,040
like, why don't I ever see this
stuff, right?
819
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,440
Like how can we never see this
stuff?
820
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,240
Just regular people don't see
this stuff.
821
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,320
It's always at like some
facility or some base or like
822
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,760
somewhere like.
You talking about UFOs Sir?
823
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,080
Except for Elmwood.
Well, I'm not saying that like
824
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,680
people don't see UFOs, but like,
I don't know, they don't just
825
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,920
show up like over the Super Bowl
or something where you can where
826
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,440
50,100 thousand people can see
this thing happening.
827
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,120
It's so.
There's there's two real big
828
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,840
public events and we're going to
cover each one of them at some
829
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,200
point.
The US over Los Angeles.
830
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,600
Phoenix Lights, did you?
Talk about the Battle of LA.
831
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,960
No, that was off the coast of
LA, but that's actually not even
832
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,440
one of them.
The Phoenix Lights was one of
833
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:03,880
the major ones, and then the
Washington DC crap that I want
834
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,560
to say it was in like the 60s,
maybe 62.
835
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,800
I thought it was 55.
Maybe it was in 55, but that
836
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,600
that come on, man.
That was right over Washington,
837
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,040
DC and it was reported for three
days straight.
838
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,720
People were seeing strange shit
in the sky over Washington DC
839
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,360
multiple days.
I mean they they were zipping
840
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:28,480
aircraft from a an Air Force
Base in North Carolina to chase
841
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,040
these fucking things.
People were reporting that they
842
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,840
were chasing like like Cowboys
and aliens dude.
843
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,320
But where's it at now?
You know, this is what I'm
844
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,360
saying.
I want to see, I want to see
845
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,520
something cool, man.
I want to wake up and and like
846
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,320
turn the news on or something
and be like.
847
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,800
Independence Day.
Yeah, like, holy shit, there's
848
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,240
like a mother ship over like Las
Vegas or something crazy, you
849
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:49,000
know, like.
Well, that that shit happened,
850
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,000
right?
We had aliens come into the mall
851
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,880
in Miami and they got fucking
brushed.
852
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,080
Underneath the rug?
No, dude.
853
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,640
That's not what happened bro.
I don't know, man.
854
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,720
I don't know.
That could be our Independence
855
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:03,800
Day right there.
Nobody knows about it.
856
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,040
Did we ever see the trailer for
that movie, whatever that was?
857
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,960
No, Stranger Things hasn't come
out yet, homie.
858
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:11,800
Jake, you're looking something
up.
859
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,000
What you looking up man?
The Phoenix Lights.
860
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,720
Oh dude.
Oh I love the Phoenix lights.
861
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,000
So interesting.
It has a lot of lights.
862
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,240
It is a lot of lights.
You should Did you watch it?
863
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,920
Did you watch the video?
No, no.
864
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,480
Oh, there's videos of it and
everything, man.
865
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,680
I mean, it's it's an absolutely
incredible subject.
866
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,320
It's not going to be a very long
episode when we do do it just
867
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,920
because most of it is actually
visual.
868
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,800
So that's going to be like one
of those whenever we get to
869
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,720
figure out how we can play a
video.
870
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,680
I think Jeff figured it out a
little while ago.
871
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,920
We'll have to like watch the
video and react to it.
872
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,840
That's how that's going to go.
It's not going to be, I mean
873
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,160
there, there's there's
definitely some stuff behind it,
874
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:53,520
but it's it's not going to be
like a, a typical episode of
875
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,240
infinite rabbit hole.
Like it's definitely going to
876
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:56,920
rely on visuals more than
anything.
877
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,280
But the the Washington, DC one
that that's going to be a what?
878
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,000
Was that event.
Just I, I would look up
879
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,720
Washington DDCUFO incident.
It's like like you said, it's in
880
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:15,840
the 55 or early 60s in that time
frame, maybe even earlier than
881
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,920
that.
I'm not 100% sure, but it's,
882
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,520
it's one of the biggest events
involving UFOs in the history of
883
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,840
the world when it comes to like
publicity, right?
884
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,760
People that a, a big group of
people witnessed it, like the
885
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,120
Phoenix lights.
Everybody saw that shit in in
886
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,240
Phoenix that that night, same
thing.
887
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,640
I just found something on The
History Channel.
888
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,000
When UFOs buzzed, the White
House and the Air Force blamed
889
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,760
the weather.
Yep, in 1952.
890
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,280
Yep, Yeah, Oh yeah, 50.
Two, there it is.
891
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,520
Dang swamp gases from Venus,
man.
892
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,680
You know, watch.
Out they're going to take our
893
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,760
White House Oh no what did we
just cover we were just talking
894
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,960
about let's.
Project Blue Book is next.
895
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,240
OK you guys want to jump in the
Project Blue Book?
896
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,720
Dude you fucked me up so bad
with that.
897
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,840
I meant I didn't say something
the last two times.
898
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,080
I didn't know you could.
I didn't know it was like
899
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,040
affecting you on your end.
Walls it's funny too, because
900
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,560
Jeremy, you were saying last
episode you're like, Oh, you
901
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,960
read along.
It's like because you when you
902
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,960
highlight stuff, it trips me up.
I was like, I never highlight
903
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,560
stuff.
Oh, it's like, what are you
904
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,320
talking about?
And then that was going on.
905
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,720
I was like I'm not even like my
mouse is on the other page like
906
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,000
where I can see you guys
highlighter setting.
907
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,320
So I can see what it.
Looks like.
908
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,560
What do you mean highlight?
See what it looks like?
909
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,560
No, do right now like that.
Oh, I see.
910
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:34,360
Oh, you see me?
Yeah.
911
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,800
You see it getting highlighted.
Yeah, you see, the little word
912
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,400
says like infinite rabbit hole
pops.
913
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,240
Up you need to fix your grammar
bro.
914
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:43,760
My girlfriend she says she's her
Co workers call her a grammar
915
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,640
Nazi because she's like freaking
out over here too.
916
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,280
She's looking at her.
She's like, what is this?
917
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,120
Well, she, she should probably
she.
918
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,880
Should be a writer.
Yeah.
919
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,000
She'll do it for $100.00 an
hour.
920
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,280
Hey man, I.
That's too deep.
921
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,360
I am a guy who likes to read
books.
922
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,080
I don't write things and I don't
read them like out loud very
923
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,680
well.
And I don't make a good
924
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,520
podcaster.
Now you're doing a good job,
925
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,840
bro.
But yeah, you know, maybe a
926
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,040
little bit of a little spell
checking and a little bit of,
927
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,280
you know, script, script magic
might help you script smooth
928
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,960
that out a little bit, you know?
Chat.
929
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,800
GPT just drop just make one of
these try it next time make take
930
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,120
your script and just drop it in
chat BT and be like hey man,
931
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,320
just make this like, you know a
little smoother for my podcast
932
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,720
script and it'll be like.
I don't even know how to use
933
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,480
ChatGPT.
And then I'll come out, I told.
934
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,400
You.
Words in there that you don't
935
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,280
say regularly and we'll be like
he used ChatGPT just like Jeff's
936
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,480
episode.
I was like, he doesn't speak
937
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,160
like this.
I.
938
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,760
Literally just told you, you
just copy it, paste it, say do
939
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,720
this, and then you say don't use
those words.
940
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,120
Use Use small, commonly used
words.
941
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,360
It's gonna say.
Like.
942
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,000
A bunch of times.
Alright, you guys ready?
943
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:01,080
Yeah.
Project Blue Book in the history
944
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,560
of deceit in the United States
government and military complex
945
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,280
about the subjects of UFOs,
Project Blue Book proved to be
946
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,400
pretty much the same, but the
most ambitious and successful
947
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,960
program even to this day,
lasting 17 years.
948
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,720
Project Blue Book was
commissioned by the Central
949
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,520
Intelligence Agency due to the
recommendation of then President
950
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,200
of the United States Harry S
Truman, who feared an outbreak
951
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,800
of hysteria in response to the
massive amount of UFO sightings
952
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,760
in 1952, specifically the ones
in the skies over Washington,
953
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,360
DCA Blue Book officer was
assigned to every Air Force Base
954
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,480
in the nation and were easily
accessible and often visited or
955
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,080
investigated.
Points of interest by the
956
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,240
Federal Aviation Administration
offices, the United States
957
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:53,320
Weather Bureau, the National
Center for Atmospheric Research,
958
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,280
national universities, the
National Aeronautics and Space
959
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,360
Administration, the Smithsonian,
local civilian million airports,
960
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,560
and both the Strategic Air
Command and Air Defense Command.
961
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,120
More than 13,000 cases had been
investigated by Project Blue
962
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,160
Book and as author Howard Bloom
states in his book Out There,
963
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:19,440
the study eventually announced
findings of quote one No UFO
964
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,080
reported, investigated and
evaluated by the Air Force has
965
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,880
ever given any indication of
threat to our national security.
966
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,480
2 There has been no evidence
submitted to or discovered by
967
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,360
the Air Force that sightings
categorized as unidentified
968
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,480
present technological
developments or principles
969
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,960
beyond the range of present day
scientific knowledge. 3 and
970
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,120
there has been no evidence
indicating that sightings
971
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,840
categorized as unidentified or
extraterrestrial vehicles.
972
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,200
On December 17th, 1969, the Air
Force officially announced the
973
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,040
termination of Project Blue
Book.
974
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,920
But wouldn't be the last time
the United States government
975
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,040
would dig their toes into the
world of UFOs.
976
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,920
Author Howard Bloom thumbed
through and extensively read and
977
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,360
researched the project and was
very disappointed in the lack of
978
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,600
scientific professionalism.
In many of the reports written
979
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,240
by investigators.
It was clear that they were
980
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:20,640
using people without any
scientific or real investigative
981
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,560
training to conduct the work
sanctioned by Project Blue Book.
982
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,520
How much does that sound like
the military, Jake?
983
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,640
Man dude, what is the
Smithsonian doing?
984
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,680
What does a museum have anything
to do with UFOs?
985
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,440
There they are, digging their
feet in into something that
986
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,760
makes no sense for them to be
digging their feet into.
987
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,280
Smithsonian's like, one of the
most sketchiest like things.
988
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,440
Ever.
They're hiding giants, they're
989
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,680
hiding aliens.
They're hiding everything, man.
990
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,000
Hide your kids, hide your wife,
because the Smithsonian's going
991
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,080
to snatch them up and bury them.
Is it possible that there was
992
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,480
like some type of threat, right?
You know, these UFOs show up,
993
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,960
this investigation starts
happening, right?
994
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,680
All this happens and then at
some point they're just like,
995
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:10,000
oh, we realized that we're
totally screwed.
996
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,440
And we just kind of kind of
sweep this under the rug for not
997
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,520
just the public, but for other
like nation states, right, that
998
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,840
are like watching us and and
trying to pick up on what we're
999
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,960
investigating, right?
So they just say, oh, yeah,
1000
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,400
there's nothing that we don't
know about already.
1001
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,880
Like, yeah, it's not
extraterrestrials.
1002
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,080
It's not out of the realm of
known science like, Nah, no big
1003
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,960
deal.
Just shut the program down.
1004
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,960
And really behind the scenes,
they're like freaking out.
1005
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,600
And they're like, oh, dude, we
got to start another program and
1006
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,080
like, figure this out, you know?
Like I watch a lot of those.
1007
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,320
I guess they're like true crime
documentaries or whatever, but
1008
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,280
like the, the murderer, whoever
is being investigated and they
1009
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,640
kind of talk about the body
language and all that sort of
1010
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,760
stuff, right?
And it seems like when the cops
1011
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,360
really don't know what's going
on, but they allude to that,
1012
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,760
they have more information to
allow the, the person to kind of
1013
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,640
divulge that sort of stuff.
It seems like the same sort of
1014
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,840
mind games here is what you were
just talking about in a way, but
1015
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,120
kind of reverse from that being
like being like, we have all
1016
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,120
this information.
We're going to freak out now,
1017
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,440
but we're going to tell everyone
we're like, no, no, no, it's,
1018
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,640
it's cool.
It's cool.
1019
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,360
We're we're good.
Everything's fine.
1020
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,080
Everything's fine.
There's nothing to worry about
1021
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,520
whatsoever.
Oh my gosh.
1022
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,160
You know.
I think it's like the exact
1023
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:31,200
same.
Tactic, but reverse from that.
1024
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:34,240
It's all psychological.
I would argue that that probably
1025
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:37,040
happens more often, like with
the government, that probably
1026
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,800
happens more often than like, oh
sure, nefarious, you know, like
1027
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,920
shit.
I think it's more incompetence
1028
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,320
and they're reacting to things
that happen all the time more
1029
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,320
than like being proactive with
things.
1030
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:53,280
Whereas I think that the, you
know, the contractors or like
1031
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,640
the black budget, you know,
stuff that's happening that the
1032
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,520
government doesn't even know
about, they're pulling the
1033
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,280
strings.
Like those people, they're the
1034
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,360
ones that are making, they're
pulling the strings and the
1035
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,720
governments are reacting
basically as I'm trying to get
1036
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,680
at.
Yeah, Yeah, that's probably
1037
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,360
right.
Sure.
1038
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,000
And that's probably, you know,
when the all the conspiracies
1039
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,280
were like, oh, every time a new
president gets elected and they
1040
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,920
go in and have that little talk
with the last president, they
1041
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,480
always come out looking like
shocked or just like, you know,
1042
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,760
pale or pasty.
You know, there's always like,
1043
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,240
what what do they tell him in
there?
1044
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,440
You know, and it's probably
something like, hey, man, just
1045
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,520
so you know, you got some power,
but you're not really doing
1046
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,360
anything, man.
There's, there's other people.
1047
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,280
We just get.
We get the memo.
1048
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,880
Just remember, you wanted this
idiot, yeah?
1049
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,440
Aliens are here and that you've
got a probing this afternoon.
1050
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,200
Yeah, it's.
Probably something crazy, you
1051
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,000
know, like we're getting the
memo too, bro.
1052
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,400
Just so you know, I know you
think you're president now, but
1053
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,480
we're getting every day we got
to check the emails because
1054
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,120
they're telling us what to do,
you know?
1055
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,640
All right, I actually have a
screen share for this next
1056
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,880
section.
Oh yeah.
1057
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,880
Make sure you share the proper
browser Jeremy.
1058
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,120
We don't want this is a family
friendly show.
1059
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,680
Yeah, you're right.
You're right.
1060
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,600
You're right.
Family friendly with a bunch of
1061
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,520
F bombs.
Let's go with this and this.
1062
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,400
You guys see that, OK.
My screen is pretty small but
1063
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,560
yeah, sure.
Yeah, we see it, OK.
1064
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:24,480
The Robertson Panel 1953 brought
an offshoot investigation by
1065
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,720
order of the NSA to determine
whether or not the presence of
1066
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,440
UFOs in the skies over America
created any dangers to the
1067
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,440
security of the country.
The name of this investigation
1068
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,880
would be remembered as the
Robertson Panel and would
1069
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,160
convene for the first time on
January 14th, 1953.
1070
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,640
This panel that held classified
meetings consisted of
1071
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,680
scientists, CIA officials, and
Air Force officers and would be
1072
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:57,400
the immediate precursor to the
UFO Working Group covered later
1073
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,600
in this presentation.
Doctor HP Robertson, ACIA
1074
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:06,280
employee attached to the Weapons
Systems Evaluation Group of the
1075
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,040
Office of the Secretary of
Defense, stood as the Robertson
1076
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,160
panel's chairman of Scientific
Advisory Panel.
1077
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:18,040
One other notable member was
Doctor Louise Alvarez, who has,
1078
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,760
as author Howard Bloom notes
quote won the Nobel Prize for
1079
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,960
Physics in 1968.
Other members included Doctor
1080
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,000
Lloyd Berkner, physicist and
director of the Brookhaven
1081
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,120
National Laboratories, Doctor
Thornton Page, professor of
1082
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,040
astronomy at the University of
Chicago, and Doctor Samuel
1083
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,640
Gootsmith, a specialist in
atomic structure and statistical
1084
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,800
problems at Brookhaven.
The panel ended on January 17th,
1085
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,080
the same year.
Lasting only three days, the
1086
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,960
group dedicated 12 hours each
day to investigating military
1087
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,760
and civilian reports.
Videos, pictures, and
1088
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,600
intelligence reports about
Soviet Union's interest in the
1089
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,360
UFOs in America.
Their concluding report was
1090
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,360
direct and to the point.
Quote.
1091
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,920
Reasonable explanations could be
suggested for most sightings.
1092
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,960
No evidence of direct threat to
national security in the objects
1093
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,400
cited.
And the continued emphasis on
1094
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,600
the reporting of these phenomena
does result in threat to orderly
1095
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,160
functioning of the protective
organs of the body politic, and
1096
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:35,280
therefore a policy of debunking
UFO reports should be
1097
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,800
instigated.
Obviously there was not a lot of
1098
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,600
effort put into this panel, but
it does show three things about
1099
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,680
the mentality and the government
had on the topic of UF OS in
1100
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,920
1953.
One, on the surface this topic
1101
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,640
was not something worth much
time and effort.
1102
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:57,000
Two, there was a need for an
excuse to quote UN quote debunk
1103
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,280
reports.
And three, suddenly there was a
1104
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,600
reverse in attitude towards the
UFO phenomenon.
1105
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,640
A whopping 3 days man what what
an investigation time.
1106
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,400
How much do you think that cost
the taxpayers?
1107
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,320
Millions.
I like that that screen share
1108
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:20,160
that even had the holes punched
on the top for a portrait view.
1109
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,560
For the way that we always file
our stuff in the military,
1110
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,560
that's pretty wild.
Yeah, isn't that, isn't that
1111
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,120
neat?
It's a legit document man.
1112
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,040
It had the the date and
everything on the on the top
1113
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,040
right and everything all panned
out.
1114
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,240
That's cool.
The proper headers, everything.
1115
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,400
I want to know what you think,
Jeremy.
1116
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,320
I think that there's definitely,
there was definitely some fishy
1117
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,160
shit going on around this time
period.
1118
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,120
I mean, even in World War 2,
right when when we were just
1119
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,280
discussing the Foo Fighters and
the Ghost Rockets.
1120
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,800
What do?
You mean there was shit just
1121
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,000
like propaganda?
No.
1122
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,000
OK.
I think, I think there was
1123
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,200
definitely something in the
skies.
1124
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,120
I think that there was a,
there's a legitimate defense
1125
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,880
issue when it comes to UFOs.
And it's always been a
1126
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:18,240
legitimate defense issue.
Now, I believe that they, they
1127
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,000
sweep it under the rug or make
it look as if it's not that
1128
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:27,920
important and not that dangerous
because not, not because they
1129
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:32,320
want the public to feel safer,
but because they're absolutely
1130
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,240
stupid and ignorant to exactly
what is going on.
1131
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:41,400
I don't, I don't think that the
government has any idea of what
1132
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,560
is actually in the skies.
Now, I know a lot of people out
1133
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:44,760
there was like, they know what
it is.
1134
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,600
They know what it is.
They, you know, they're just not
1135
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,920
going to tell us.
It's some secret technology or
1136
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,240
craft in the sky.
I personally don't think that
1137
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,520
the government has a fucking
clue as to what it is.
1138
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,520
UFOs are absolutely no idea.
Maybe maybe some of them, maybe
1139
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,760
some of them.
They have, you know, they're
1140
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:10,000
they're they're watching
experimental craft from
1141
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:15,920
adversaries like, you know,
Russia or North Korea, possibly
1142
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:20,280
China.
But I think that for the most
1143
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:25,240
part, the government, especially
the US government has no idea
1144
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,040
what is going on.
No idea.
1145
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:32,200
And I, I actually to kind of
skip into a subject that we'll
1146
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,160
cover later on that I've that
I've recently started doing
1147
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:40,200
research into, if you've ever
seen the the movie.
1148
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:41,680
Nope.
Yeah.
1149
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:47,600
I've recently started doing
research into biological UFOs,
1150
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:54,960
specifically the the jellyfish
UFO, which is what the the
1151
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,200
creature from Nope the the
flying saucer from the movie
1152
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,880
Nope was based after.
Just an alien.
1153
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,120
It's a big alien.
Not even that, they're just
1154
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,160
atmospheric creatures, something
that doesn't have to come down.
1155
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:11,920
Now if you know anything about
atmospheric creatures, people
1156
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,280
that are listening.
One of the most well known
1157
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,440
atmospheric creatures are these
things called rods.
1158
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:27,160
There was an episode of Monster
Quest that was done Shit gosh,
1159
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:33,600
it's got to be 15 years ago now
where they did an entire episode
1160
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:39,400
basically dedicated to these
rods and in cameras.
1161
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,840
They just look like long spiral
creatures flying through the
1162
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,560
sky, very long elongated.
And they just have like this
1163
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:56,760
like this Helix kind of form to
them where they just kind of
1164
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,200
spin through the air.
Now those are those are the most
1165
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,280
commonly known atmospheric
creatures.
1166
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,560
I think that it there's a,
there's a pretty decent chance
1167
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,160
and I'm not going to dive into
it too much right now.
1168
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,360
I'll save it for the episode
because I have a big build up
1169
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:15,640
that I'm building right now for
it.
1170
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:21,080
But I believe that some UF OS
some unidentified things in the
1171
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,920
sky could potentially be
biological.
1172
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,840
Not necessarily that they're
strictly atmospheric creatures,
1173
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,120
but they are something
biological that we don't know
1174
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,040
about.
I, I guess a Cryptid, if you
1175
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:38,280
would, but I don't think it
would even be considered to be
1176
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:43,040
something along those lines.
And I think that these things
1177
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:48,920
come from places that we're not
looking like the ocean or.
1178
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,680
Shoot people that cerns opening
up maybe?
1179
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,000
I mean, yeah, I mean, or even
the natural ones like Mount
1180
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,480
Shasta, right?
I mean, there there's a lot of
1181
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,280
there's a lot of natural ones
that that people talk about all
1182
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:03,880
the time.
But then there's also the people
1183
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,280
that say that they seen these
biological atmospheric creatures
1184
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,000
come out of volcanoes.
I mean, there, there's a there's
1185
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,200
a lot of different possibilities
for for all of this.
1186
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,840
And whenever we get into the
atmospheric creatures episode,
1187
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,520
it's going to be it's going to
be pretty cool.
1188
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,160
Not necessarily that I think
that that is the answer to UF
1189
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:25,240
OS.
I just think it's a very
1190
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,520
interesting thing.
But I think that the government
1191
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,000
isn't looking at shit like that,
you know, and I think that
1192
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,880
they're looking the wrong way
when it comes to UFOs.
1193
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,760
And I think that they've already
checked the blocks off for
1194
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,320
extraterrestrials.
I think they've checked the
1195
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,000
blocks off for adversaries.
I think they've checked the
1196
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,760
blocks off for drones.
I think they've checked every
1197
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,360
block that they could possibly
think of.
1198
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,040
And now they're just sitting
there with their thumbs up their
1199
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,560
asses and not thinking outside
the box when it comes to these
1200
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,840
things.
I mean, I don't know, because
1201
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,600
honestly, I mean, I've even
heard theories that that UFOs
1202
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:08,080
are literally just cameras or
they're they're what is used to
1203
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,600
travel the world in the out of
body experience, you know, like
1204
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,360
a like a project Stargate kind
of thing.
1205
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,000
This is something that I've been
thinking about lately too.
1206
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,600
Like have you seen that show
that three body problem?
1207
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,720
Yeah, you got to read that whole
series, man, that.
1208
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,520
Book The book is amazing.
So like just that I don't know
1209
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,720
if they did the same thing in
the book as in the show, but
1210
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,000
that how like this this super
intelligence, this alien or
1211
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:36,800
whatever they I guess programmed
of of an electron or a photon,
1212
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:41,120
they quantum entangled it.
So like this photon is observing
1213
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,400
whatever it wants basically on
earth as it's light years away
1214
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,440
or the civilization is light
years away.
1215
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,320
So it's called the Sofon, and in
the book, the aliens are known
1216
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,720
as Trisolarans.
But in the the show, it's
1217
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,280
something weird.
I can't remember what they
1218
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,280
called it in the show, but I
heard it and I was like, that's
1219
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,480
dumb.
Sure, Yeah.
1220
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,440
But you know, I don't it the the
basic idea is the same, right?
1221
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:09,000
Like they, they're observing us
via like some, you know,
1222
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,520
advanced quantum entanglement or
something.
1223
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,640
They're they're using this.
I thought about that with UFOs
1224
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,200
lately.
Like are the ones that aren't
1225
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,279
ours right?
Are those just like observing?
1226
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,560
Are they just drones observing
us of some kind?
1227
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:27,279
Yes, and honestly I think that
is the closest that we can get
1228
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,040
to the actual explanation from
it.
1229
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,840
Obviously I don't know what the
fuck a UFO is, but when you talk
1230
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,960
about quantum entanglement and
then you talk about quantum
1231
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,920
enlarging right?
So you create 2 particles on the
1232
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,840
quantum level, which is
literally the level right above
1233
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,080
nothing right?
The quantum meaning as small as
1234
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,600
you can get without not existing
you.
1235
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:54,840
The quantum entanglement is when
2 particles are entangled and
1236
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,720
they completely rely on each
other and pass information
1237
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,160
between each other and one
reacts when the other one
1238
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,680
reacts, even at great distances,
meaning light years away.
1239
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,600
Like Jake.
That's the book that I, that I
1240
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,359
lent you guys and then I, I had
to grab from you guys because I,
1241
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,279
I let somebody else read it.
That's the three body problem.
1242
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,000
It's Jeff.
I don't know if you read very
1243
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,279
much man or or if you like audio
books.
1244
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,200
You should.
Really read man, I don't know
1245
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:25,800
how.
Well, then whatever.
1246
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,800
Listen to the audio books of of
16 News 3, Body Problem, the
1247
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,279
Dark Forest and shit.
What's the last one?
1248
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,279
Death's End.
Those three books don't don't
1249
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:39,640
listen to the redemption of
time.
1250
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,520
It's the fourth one that's a
it's a spin off book written by
1251
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,000
a different author and it sucks.
Don't listen to that one.
1252
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,160
Just just listen to the three
from six and you do you know
1253
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,560
what I'm telling you, man, you
you will love that shit.
1254
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,000
Like if you like the stuff
that's in the the show, the book
1255
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,240
goes way harder, like way
harder.
1256
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,840
I I, I, I get excited about
talking about that book.
1257
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,840
I just I I love that series, the
scene.
1258
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,240
Calm down.
It's like my absolute all time
1259
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,320
favorite series I've ever read
in my life, man.
1260
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,280
It's it's phenomenal.
Relax.
1261
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,640
Well, you said it, You said.
My bad.
1262
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,400
Do you know what I mean to get
23 words?
1263
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,760
Yeah, I got the three variety
problem in my audio book, so
1264
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,320
I'll listen to that after I'm
done with Annie Jacobson's Annie
1265
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,440
Area 51.
Well, it is very sciency, just
1266
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:25,800
so you know.
Sciency, OH.
1267
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,320
Oh yes.
I don't know science kind of
1268
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:29,120
like.
You like?
1269
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,200
Am I going to be talking?
You're going to learn some.
1270
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:36,800
Couchy, I am the science.
I'm the science.
1271
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,800
I'm the science.
You're not the science.
1272
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:45,880
I'm the science.
What were we talking about
1273
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,400
before you said 3?
You're about to read the next
1274
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,080
section.
OK.
1275
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,880
I'll just read the next section.
This is the last section we're.
1276
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,840
Going to cover for tonight.
We're going to split this into
1277
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,840
two episodes.
This is actually a a very, very
1278
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:04,240
small section, obviously,
because we're going to dive into
1279
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:08,080
this in a later episode much
more in depth, but it would not
1280
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:14,120
be a report on UFO projects from
the 40s to the 90s of the US
1281
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,160
governments without.
Talking about it.
1282
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,920
Right.
And that would be the Condon
1283
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,240
Committee.
Although not a federal
1284
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,520
government investigation into
the phenomenon of UFOs, the
1285
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,080
Condon Committee of the
University of Colorado was
1286
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,280
sanctioned by the United States
Air Force in order to begin the
1287
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,960
relief of the military.
Being the entity responsible for
1288
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,720
such matters.
The Air Force wanted to get out
1289
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,240
of the UFO game and therefore
completely funded the committee
1290
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:45,000
from 1966 to 1968.
Ultimately, the purpose of the
1291
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,920
Condon Committee was to continue
the work first set out by Sign,
1292
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,480
Grudge and Blue Book, but
outside of the borders of the
1293
01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:54,760
United States Air Force in order
to finally close up shop
1294
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,160
completely.
This of course was successful
1295
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,040
since Project Blue Book
officially closed soon after in
1296
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,000
1969 with a Condon report
claiming that there was no
1297
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,560
sustenance behind and UFOs.
And of course, more on the
1298
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,160
Common Committee on a future
episode of The Infinite Rabbit
1299
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,240
Hole.
That is, That is it for part one
1300
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:17,920
of our coverage on secret UFO
projects from the 40s to the
1301
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,760
90s, man.
I'm going to have to watch Nope
1302
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,600
tomorrow.
That's a good movie.
1303
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:22,960
It was a good movie.
I like my.
1304
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,360
Favorite part was like finding
out that the sounds that it made
1305
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,240
was from the people being
digested in it.
1306
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,200
Like that's crazy.
It's nuts.
1307
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:36,000
It was so dark.
Well, next week we are going to
1308
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,720
dive into a lot.
We're going to dive into a bunch
1309
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,560
of smaller projects.
We're going to jump into Project
1310
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:46,560
Twinkle, Project Stork.
We're going to drive into
1311
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:51,000
Majestic 12, the UFO working
group which we discussed during
1312
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,240
our Elmwood series.
We're going to go to Project
1313
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,680
Aquarius for a little bit, even
though it's not technically a
1314
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:03,200
known as a UFO program.
We're going to talk about
1315
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:08,120
Stargate Scanate and then of
course projects Moon Dust, Blue
1316
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:13,280
Fly St. and Blue Gemini
basically revolving around the
1317
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:19,600
the search and seizure of downed
UFOs.
1318
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,440
Nice.
In the United States, that's
1319
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,320
that's it.
What do you guys, what do you
1320
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:29,200
guys think?
Yeah, that's it.
1321
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,400
OK.
I mean, yeah, I could talk for
1322
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,920
days about I get it.
No, it's not Not that, bro.
1323
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,120
Yeah, I get.
No, I get it.
1324
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,440
Well.
That's beside the point.
1325
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,640
We, we could talk for hours and
hours about this, but I'll, you
1326
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,880
know, I'll save some more of my
thoughts for the next one
1327
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,520
because I don't want to just.
He's saying that he has no
1328
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,720
thoughts, guys.
I don't want to blow my load too
1329
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,760
soon man.
No, do blow it all over
1330
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,160
everybody.
It's all right.
1331
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,400
It's ectoplasm.
Endoplasm.
1332
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:01,080
Endoplasm I I'm in the exact
same boat that I've always been
1333
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,960
with these topics.
However, it is interesting to
1334
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,720
hear the US government's kind of
back and forth on are they going
1335
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,720
to look into it or they're not
going to look into it.
1336
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,400
So they now they're looking into
it again.
1337
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,360
They're looking into it in the
past and they're like, yeah,
1338
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,960
it's fine, there's nothing to
worry about.
1339
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,280
And now they're looking into it
again.
1340
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:21,200
I mean, I just saved a article
on Popular Mechanics this
1341
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,240
morning that I was looking up
that was talking about a, A
1342
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,200
captain on one of our various
naval ships that was saying that
1343
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,520
basically Congress needs to get
their heads out of their butts
1344
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,840
and start actually talking about
these things because they're
1345
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,840
trying to downplay the UFO
phenomenon.
1346
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,200
And he's seen stuff that's
unbelievable.
1347
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:41,800
Yeah.
And it's just like.
1348
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:47,840
But even then, like, how far,
how deep in it do you have to be
1349
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,280
to be in the know?
You know, how deep does it go?
1350
01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:53,680
Because just because you're a
certain rank doesn't mean that
1351
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:58,480
you're yeah, that.
You're you're allowed.
1352
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,760
Access to it.
That you're allowed to know
1353
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,720
certain information, like just
because you have a top secret
1354
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,560
clearance, that doesn't mean
anything because you're only
1355
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,480
given the knowledge of the
information that you need to
1356
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:10,800
carry out the task that you need
to do it right.
1357
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,400
So like, for example, our Seals,
our Green Berets, our spec op
1358
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:19,200
war fighters, they have top
secret clearances, but it's only
1359
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,400
in regards to the target that
they're going after or whatever,
1360
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:24,840
right?
Or that mission.
1361
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:26,840
And I can't talk about it with
anyone.
1362
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,280
And maybe they can write a book
at it about it once it gets
1363
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,960
declassified, like we see.
But for the most part, it's
1364
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,920
only, yeah, it's top secret.
But that only goes for the
1365
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,840
information that's specifically
in line with the job that you
1366
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,120
have to do.
So how far, how deep or how high
1367
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:48,120
up do you have to go to get the
full scope of what's everything
1368
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,000
that's going on?
And even at that point, I have
1369
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,600
to question that thought process
of, you know, there is such a
1370
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:59,160
thing as categorization where
it's like you may have a
1371
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:04,360
boatload of scientists working
on a project to say, make a, you
1372
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:10,600
know, let's go with Groom Lake
and say make a anti Jet
1373
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:14,520
Propulsion, your anti gravity
flying machine or whatever it
1374
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,120
is.
But each scientist individually,
1375
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,280
they may have top secret
clearances and all this sort of
1376
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,440
stuff and all their background
checks and all their ducks in a
1377
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:24,560
row, but they only have a
specific part of it.
1378
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,960
You have to work on the
generator.
1379
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,960
This person has to work on, you
know, the fuel control or
1380
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,640
whatever it is, right?
Like that.
1381
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,160
So that individually they know
nothing except for the thing
1382
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,920
that they're working on.
But collectively they're putting
1383
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,120
together this massive puzzle
that becomes this, you know,
1384
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,080
super tech.
So if anyone gets compromised,
1385
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:49,360
they don't lose all of the
information to whatever
1386
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,760
government, whatever entity, you
know, whatever that is, they
1387
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,240
lose a portion of it, which
isn't in itself that big of a
1388
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,800
deal because you can't do
anything without the rest of it,
1389
01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:02,040
right?
So or compartmentalization.
1390
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,920
That's that's the thing, not
categorization,
1391
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,320
compartmentalization.
So even still, it's like, so
1392
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,520
this captain is saying, well,
they need to really start
1393
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,320
looking into his.
Well, how do they know?
1394
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,960
How does he know that that's not
already being done?
1395
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,600
Because they know the full scope
of everything that's going on.
1396
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,680
Maybe not Congress, but whoever
is the top knows everything
1397
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,600
that's going on.
And they're only allowing this
1398
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:30,560
captain to know so much because
even in his finite or his, yeah,
1399
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,880
find out amount of information
that he knows, even if he said,
1400
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,520
all right, scramble The Jets,
we're going to shoot this thing
1401
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,280
out of the sky.
They know beyond a shadow of a
1402
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,120
doubt that they would never be
able to match the top speed.
1403
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,160
They would be able to get a
lock, you know, all that sort of
1404
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,960
stuff.
So it's like like, who cares,
1405
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,720
right?
But it's like, I, I don't know.
1406
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:51,080
It's it's definitely interesting
the governments involvement in
1407
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,280
this, especially the United
States government.
1408
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,880
But I also agree with Jeff, I
think that, you know, especially
1409
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:02,520
in the rise of AI art now, Oh my
gosh, all of those Facebook
1410
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,800
groups I follow for Bigfoot have
been compromised by AI.
1411
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,040
And it's just, it's like, I've
just been deleting all of them
1412
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,040
because it's like, Oh my gosh,
look at this picture of Bigfoot
1413
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,840
and it's obviously AI and it's
just every single day.
1414
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,560
And it's just like, we can't
even, you know, get anywhere.
1415
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,800
So it's like, next thing you
know, it's going to be so
1416
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,000
crystal clear that you won't be
able to see, Oh, that Lady has,
1417
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,040
you know, 5 digits on her right
hand and three digits on her
1418
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,000
left hand.
Obviously this is AI because it
1419
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,560
can't get hands and feet right
or faces from a distance.
1420
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,360
But it's going to be so crystal
clear that it's not going to
1421
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,640
matter even if someone does see
a, because if they take a
1422
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,480
picture of it, they're going to
be like, well, that could be AI.
1423
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,200
Yeah.
You know, so it's like we're
1424
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,040
kind of in this weird spot where
it's like, yeah, I mean, it
1425
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:49,080
would be cool if a lot more
people like, say, US UFO showed
1426
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,280
up at the Super Bowl.
But even then, how many people
1427
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,480
would take a video or pictures
of that, put it up on the
1428
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:55,920
Internet?
People be like, oh, that's fake.
1429
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,120
Well yeah, me and Creamer were
talking about this on the on the
1430
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,840
last episode of Shadow Band.
Like nothing even actually has
1431
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,600
to happen, right?
And I think that that's the
1432
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,480
whole point.
I think that two things happen.
1433
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:09,000
One, you're you're right about
the compartmentalization, but I
1434
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,640
don't even I think the
government has its own version
1435
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,720
of that, right?
And it's trying to figure out
1436
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,560
what this phenomena is.
But I think that the
1437
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,800
contractors, the Raytheons and
the Lockheed Martins in the
1438
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,080
Northrop Grumman's, they have
the black budget programs that
1439
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,160
the government doesn't have have
access to, right?
1440
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,240
So they're, they're able to
develop things that the military
1441
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,840
is trying to figure out what is
this, right?
1442
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,000
And then when they come out with
these reports that are like, oh,
1443
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,000
it's not extraterrestrial,
right?
1444
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,200
And it's not beyond our science
or whatever, right?
1445
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,880
Like maybe that's because it's
not, maybe it is something that
1446
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,960
we know like kind of like, hey,
we know what this is doing.
1447
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,320
Maybe we can't do it, but we, we
understand what's happening
1448
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,200
here.
We know it's somebody around
1449
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:51,880
here.
We know it's not like Russia.
1450
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,520
Maybe they have an idea that
it's these contractors, but what
1451
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,320
are you going to do when when
you say, when you threaten some
1452
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,560
kind of legislation or, you
know, oversight over something
1453
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,240
like this and then they show up
at your house or something and
1454
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,280
try to blackmail you with a UFO
with a.
1455
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,520
With a chimera like some
genetically altered or created
1456
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,880
alien being that comes out of
this UFO in your backyard and
1457
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,320
tells you like, don't write the
legislation.
1458
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:19,920
It's.
Like what are you going to?
1459
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:23,760
Do don't write the legislation
or wear your skin, yeah.
1460
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,120
So.
Yeah, it's kind of crazy, but
1461
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,480
but that's what the my labs are.
The military abduction programs.
1462
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:33,080
I don't know if you get into
that at all, Jeremy, but.
1463
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,480
No.
You know, military abductions,
1464
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:36,840
maybe they're real, maybe
they're not.
1465
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,880
But you know, I think that some
of that is real.
1466
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:44,320
I think that they have fake U
not even fake UF real real UFOSI
1467
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:49,360
guess, but you know fake aliens.
They do abductions.
1468
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,440
They they do all that stuff.
That's probably how they really
1469
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:56,160
blackmail and control the people
at the top around the world.
1470
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,200
You know, it's the most I in the
in the UFO my labs.
1471
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:05,680
The most I ever dove into my
labs was in that the Screen
1472
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,400
Memories episode.
That would that's probably the
1473
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,880
one time anywhere in the near
future then then jump into my
1474
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:18,440
labs or pass.
But yeah, there's a lot here.
1475
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,040
There is.
You did a good job of breaking
1476
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,480
down how the government works.
Well, the military at least,
1477
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,480
because that's, you know, I
think that's very good for
1478
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:32,040
people to understand, you know,
because I think Hollywood does
1479
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:36,800
this thing where they, I don't
know, they use this, this term
1480
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,960
top secret clearance.
Yeah.
1481
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,560
To just kind of give a pass.
To.
1482
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,360
All the information now because
you have a top secret clearance
1483
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,320
now.
You, you can't keep this from
1484
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:48,720
me.
I have a top secret clearance.
1485
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:50,520
Fuck you, guy.
Yeah, yes.
1486
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:54,960
I you have no jurisdiction here.
You have nothing to do with this
1487
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,960
in your role as a whatever,
right?
1488
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,400
The E3 with the need to know can
tell the Admiral the fuck off
1489
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:02,760
that doesn't have a need to
know.
1490
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,280
Yeah, it's.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, he won't.
1491
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:09,000
That's not how that really
works, but you know, it's.
1492
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,440
Slightly respectfully.
Politely, like, sure.
1493
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:12,800
Can you please fuck off?
I'm sorry.
1494
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:19,880
Yeah, Yeah, it's.
But then how how you explained
1495
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:24,400
how you know, if if one of the
compartments is compromised, the
1496
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:28,560
whole mission isn't compromised
because only one leg went out.
1497
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,440
We still have a leg and two arms
that we can crawl on, right?
1498
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,200
That's also very important for a
lot of people to know.
1499
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,720
And I think that has a big role
to play in the UFOs.
1500
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,200
But that's also one of the
biggest government downfalls is
1501
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,720
that no, no entities talk to
each other.
1502
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,360
And that's the that's the same
thing that you see in like the
1503
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,840
DIA and the CIA.
Neither of them talk to each
1504
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:52,040
other, but yet one is
governmental and one is military
1505
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:54,640
and they literally don't talk to
each other.
1506
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,080
So they're all fucking shooting
each other in the backs all the
1507
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,840
time.
Yeah, the FBI and the CIA,
1508
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,480
they're constantly doing that,
yeah.
1509
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:06,160
It's, you know, it's, it's
absolutely stupid, but anybody
1510
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:10,760
got anything else?
No, I'm just be interested for
1511
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,000
the next episode.
Cool.
1512
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:18,280
I like how so far I mean it.
Obviously it's in the title, the
1513
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:24,080
government UFO projects, right?
But I really dig having spent so
1514
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:28,520
long in the federal government
as an employee, when we get into
1515
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,880
the topics that cover the
government's role in this sort
1516
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,160
of stuff.
Now, I'm not saying that I put
1517
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,480
more legitimacy into it because
it's the government, because we
1518
01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:42,040
know how fishy they are.
But, you know, it's it's it's
1519
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,680
just it's got a different feel
to it than, you know, Farmer
1520
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,560
John seeing a UFO land in his
backyard or whatever.
1521
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,080
The Kecksburg UFO or whatever it
is, you know, it's got more of a
1522
01:23:53,480 --> 01:23:55,000
yeah, just got a different feel
to it.
1523
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:59,200
And especially with all the
things that are going on now,
1524
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,880
and we're getting a lot of those
old school projects that are
1525
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,200
being declassified now, a lot of
that stuff is redacted, right?
1526
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,800
You go through the forms and
it's just like, just like
1527
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,200
someone took a Sharpie to it and
left like 2 words that aren't
1528
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,720
redacted.
But but still, the fact that a
1529
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,120
lot of that stuff is, is coming
out now is, is pretty cool.
1530
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,920
So it's like if, if even if
there's nothing of substance to
1531
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:27,280
it, it, it's neat to see, you
know, who at the time had their
1532
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,640
hands on this and wanted to know
more.
1533
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,600
And maybe they found out some
more, or maybe they got
1534
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,680
completely shut down.
But at least it brings, you
1535
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:41,000
know, I don't know, I want to
say a little bit of hope in my
1536
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:45,520
thought that not everything is
completely corrupt, that some
1537
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,400
people at some point still try
to do the right thing and try to
1538
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:49,960
kind of figure this whole thing
out.
1539
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,880
But then we're kind of, you
know, stonewalled, I guess.
1540
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,280
You know, that's what it seems
like ends up happening a lot of
1541
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,680
the times is that, you know,
it's just like they just come up
1542
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,480
with nothing, right?
No one's willing to say
1543
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:03,480
anything.
You know, whether it's like
1544
01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:06,720
we're saying a black budget
project or whatever it is, it's
1545
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,640
like at some point the
information gets cut off and
1546
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,160
they're like, Nope, sorry, you
don't have access to this.
1547
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,920
I don't give a shit who you are.
You're not, I don't care if
1548
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:16,480
you're the president, you have
access, right?
1549
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,400
We're a private company.
We're not, we're not going to
1550
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:23,560
talk to you about this, right?
It's like rough, but even still,
1551
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,920
it's cool to see that, you know,
where the governments of the
1552
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,560
world, not just the US
government, but you know, where
1553
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,240
they try to figure the things
out, you know?
1554
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,320
Right on.
I think it was kind of funny
1555
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:40,720
that we had talked about the the
Washington UFO incident and then
1556
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:42,960
literally the next section I
talk about it.
1557
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:46,080
I've had this done for probably
six months already so I forgot
1558
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:47,880
that was even in there.
Nice.
1559
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,960
Yeah, Jeffrey, final thoughts,
anything?
1560
01:25:51,560 --> 01:26:00,240
Space is fake and gay.
Speaking on DD classified
1561
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:04,160
records, they just need the they
need to release the JFK records.
1562
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,040
That'll be cool.
Yeah, good luck with that.
1563
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,160
That's never going to happen, I
know.
1564
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,360
A lot of records that they need
to release that aren't going to
1565
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,800
happen in our lifetime, if ever.
Yeah, yeah.
1566
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,600
Right.
Or maybe they're just, you know,
1567
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,320
record over them or something
like they did with the moon
1568
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:24,160
landing footage.
Not to get too too much into
1569
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:28,000
another rabbit hole, but could
you imagine how fucked up the
1570
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:32,360
actual situation of the JK JFK
assassination is if they still
1571
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,760
won't release that?
And it was only supposed to have
1572
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,800
a 30 year limit to its
classification.
1573
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:39,840
Didn't they just add 70 years
to?
1574
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:45,960
It yeah, I mean, how how bad can
it actually be if they locked it
1575
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,280
away for 100 years?
Yeah, another 70, which means
1576
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,200
they were like everybody who's
alive, right?
1577
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:52,960
Now I'm going to say.
Yeah.
1578
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:57,480
Make sure that they're dead and
their kids are dead in the
1579
01:26:57,480 --> 01:27:00,520
current political climate that
I'm at that we're at right now.
1580
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:06,160
It I think that if it was opened
up that there would be too many
1581
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:10,720
cookie crumbs that would lead to
what happened just earlier this
1582
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,560
month with a former president
Donald Trump.
1583
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:19,160
I think that I think it has a
lot of similarities.
1584
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:24,800
I think that people would
instantly be like, ah, see, you
1585
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,440
guys just kill whoever you don't
like Willy nilly, huh?
1586
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,320
And whoever that is, right?
Whether that's in the United
1587
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,040
States, that's around the world,
you know, whatever it is, if
1588
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,520
it's they're not doing what you
want politically, you'll just
1589
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,600
take them out, right?
And so I think that there's too
1590
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,200
many cookie crumbs and, you
know, only so many plays on the
1591
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:48,040
books and that people would see
that redacted document or that
1592
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:52,920
redacted investigation and then
be able to pinpoint other
1593
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:57,080
leaders around the world or, or
folks that have been taken out
1594
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:00,520
in a similar way and be like,
oh, so this is still going on.
1595
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:01,280
Yeah.
They'll.
1596
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,840
Figure out it's like an MK Ultra
mentoring candidate situation.
1597
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,560
They're like, oh, you just just
hit them with some frequencies
1598
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,880
and they do whatever you mind
controlling for a little while,
1599
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:11,680
OK.
I think that it gets pretty
1600
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,040
deep.
They're not willing to do that
1601
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,760
because they want to be.
They're probably going to wait
1602
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,800
until the public has full
knowledge of all of these sorts
1603
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:23,200
of things.
Like when NASA invented Velcro
1604
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:27,640
and then eventually disseminated
it to the public, right?
1605
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,240
Hook and loop technology for
sticking things to things.
1606
01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:33,480
They're going to wait until
everyone has full knowledge of
1607
01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:34,480
everything and then they're
back.
1608
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:37,520
Oh yeah, and then this happened
like 150 years ago.
1609
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:41,720
Whatever ancient history.
Anything else guys?
1610
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,200
No all.
Right.
1611
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,680
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1612
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,440
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1613
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:52,320
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1614
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,680
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01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:07,920
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