Flat Earth Conversation Part 2 feat. Declassified Dave

0:00 Hey guys, it's Jason. I'm the host of the time will tell podcast here on anchor. I'm also one of your most loyal listeners. I would suspect as soon as they come out. I've got to listen and I'm often on the Facebook page saying, welcome rabbits. So I just wanted to say, thanks for this amazing podcast, the whole team is great. I love every one of you. You're amazing. And from down here, in Tijuana at the moment, keep up the good work. Have a great day. One of the biggest problems for any of these Niche conspiracy communities, right?

1:08 Because that's the problem, right? When you talk about conspiracies, in particular, it's so fractured within that conduct Community, right? Any one of those Niche communities inside of that, dude. The biggest Talking Heads of those that people have follow and listen to even they say some of the stupidest shit, right? So that's the problem. The problem again is that people aren't getting Eating what is being said. And that's why. I said at the beginning, I don't want to get stuck in the weeds because again, we'll do this for days and days and days. Talking about each individual little thing. That why is it flatter? Why's it not flat? The point is the information that we have about what we live on is filtered through something that we you guys have already said, 10 times, right? Some filter that we don't trust in so many other ways, and there's no way for us to verify this outside of Going through that filtered information.

2:02 That's all this comes down, true, very true. It's a major major argument in the fact of why both sides or sides within one side. Can't have a logical conversation without it turning into an argument. And that's one thing that I would love to change with this with this topic and other topics to is where it just turns into people yelling over each other and calling each other names and laughing. At each other because we're not going to get anywhere to find any sort of Truth in anything. If we're calling each other stupid and moronic and Lopes ards. Yeah, like and flirts and whatnot. Like whatever, whatever, whatever name, you know, you want to people call each other, or, you know, even just get, you know, gets downright nasty.

2:52 You start calling people, you know, retarded. And that's just it's it gets a like we've been told. But the problem is you have You have the main argument, like I said before, is not the shape that it from what I've come to conclude in this, it's the suppression of information and the biggest portion of that suppression of information. Yeah, could be the government but NASA has a big hand in it and there are things that they have done more recently. That some could be true. Some could be not and one of the bigger ones for me which doesn't change the shape argument, it changes the color of Jupiter. Yeah it doesn't it doesn't change the shape argument. It changes.

3:39 The what is it what is reality argument? Because when you do have, you know, water bubbles on the ISS or on some space walks, what are we talking about here? If we're in a vacuum you know that's one thing or you see. Seeing actually seeing these guys. Correcting each other on a cable that is suspicious. Yes, and that is very suspicious and that's where it the shape for me does isn't as important. It's why are you denying it? And it goes back to the moon landings and the technology being lost, which is the biggest red flag. That should be the biggest red flag to be people to be like, all right, so clearly whether it's rounder, it's flat.

4:22 We're being lied to about something and something can huge. We can all agree on that. Yeah. And I think that's where flat-earthers in people who believe in a globe Earth can fully agree. And I think that's where everybody needs to start. I think that's the biggest problem. I think that honestly, that's the, the Real peace is really bad. And, you know, it's, you know, you can have all these different things that you believe or whatever, right? And nobody believed that we're never going to get everybody to believe the same thing, no matter what it is, right? So that's like another big problem is everybody's you have to be on the team that believes it's flat or that it's not flat and it's like you have to be able to step away from that and be like you don't have to be on one of these teams and you also Have to not listen to the bullshit and be able to weed through it, and get to like the finer points of what's Happening Here. It's a question of reality.

5:16 The real thing is like, they was saying they are hiding something and I think that Flat Earth is really just a psyop to get most people to look because a lot of the information is coming out with the internet. A lot of the stuff that they've suppressed and hidden in lied about when it comes to space and all these other things is starting to come out. So they were like how do we do this? Well, it's mask it in the super ridiculous. Thing that 99% of the people are just blindly laugh at for no reason, never look at anything that a flat earther says, even though the in the 10,000 pieces, they bring to the table. There's a handful of them that are actually like, wait a minute. That thing right there is one of those things you're like nobody can really give me an answer on doesn't mean it's flat, but it definitely means that they definitely lied to us. See that's stuff.

6:03 We need to be talking about. And yeah, next time we come to the table, you know, because I believe we should Do this again, we should bring some of those things. What are, what are these these these points that flat-earthers talk about that have people scratching their heads? I want to hear. I think that's a, that's a new approach that hasn't been used before and that's something that I really wanted to start doing was not to, not to persuade people to believe anything, because I still don't believe Flat Earth, but but there are talking points that both sides. Absolutely can both check each other's hand and go. All right, we need to talk about this because this is this seems like bullshit, and one of the more interesting things you see with a lot of these major proponents, this stuff you can find on YouTube, you got, you know, you got some bigger guys like March marks, sergeant and David Wiser's, two of the larger proponents and they both say, you're not going to find this information on Google, yet your stuff is on Google you to so contradicting yourself that you're the stuff that we're finding for Nation is your stuff.

7:10 And one of the things that I came in with that is you got one of them selling an app and I think it's a for some people monetization is kind of the goal for some of it. And then some people, you're not really bringing anything to the table other than arguments. And like I said that the NASA should be the first point that we look at. Not, not the ice walls, not anything else, not the Curve. Not what your, what your feeble human eyes can see. It's what is going on above us and, you know, at certain, you know, facilities that we have, you know, a man like in Houston and or even where Jeff we're at, you know, those places.

8:00 I think a lot of people, you can tell people a lot of things about NASA and they're like, oh well no, we got this, we got that and there's the images argument. Or like they're not real photos. A little fucking, of course not their composite images because if we can't go that far, In reality than you'd have to stitch together, a bunch of pictures to make something look good. I mean, we all use Photoshop just for our own shows for certain things, but bad argument. But, yeah, I think it's looking that bad. It was a bad example by me. But looking at the looking at the, you said, Dave, the moon, the moon landings, like the whole thing, then you're spidering out to different different. You know, conspiracies, you're talking about what's the nature of the Moon.

8:46 What's the nature of planets? I think that those are all Interesting talking points with one Theory but I don't think that they all should pertain to the one Theory. I think it's because because then you get into all these other things, like like Jeff is saying you get into, you're in the weeds, you're talking about the firmament, you're talking about the curve, this, that the other thing and this is why I say space is fake. It's super hyperbolic in like extra and it's just a, it's a, it's a clickbait phrase on purpose. Space is fake for this reason because it's not saying the shape of anything. Saying, it's not saying anything. It's just saying what you the term space. If you, if you look at the definition of space, right?

9:27 That was given to us by suits, just the word space was given to us by suits, right? So, it's like that idea of what they've handed down to us. Is fake. Not that, there's not a realm up there and all kinds of crazy shit happening or whatever. It's just that what your mind when you hear the word space, that whole perception that you see the cosmos movies, the National Geographic, shit. You've watched all the cartoons. You've seen all the You've watched all the video games you've seen about space. That's just bullshit, right? That's the point. It's something else happening. It may be similar but it's not that. I'll tell you what my cousin and I'm going to say the word and it was gonna go that place.

10:08 My cousin just got picked up for NASA. She's an 05 in the Navy, she's wanted to be an astronaut her entire life since she was four years old, she worked her way up into the ranks and she just got picked up for the NASA space program for their next moon launch and their training for it right now. And she had to move to Texas for it and all that stuff. I'm going to ask her to take a picture of the Earth for me outside of a window. And, you know, text it to me when she gets home or whatever it is and I'm going to look at that and that's what I'm going to believe. Now it is NASA so who knows, maybe they're gonna intercept it and they're going to doctor it up be like, ooh, take out the ice wall, but Has I know, I don't know. No, I not 100%, but I'm 99.999 percent sure that I will never go to space for one.

11:01 I don't like heights. So not, you know, within my own will, will I go to space? You know, but I'm going to take that and if she can take a picture on her cell phone, I don't even know if she can do that. But whatever, I'm just gonna go based off that. Because that's the closest thing I have without looking at this, you know, realm of experts. Who I don't even know. I have no idea who they are. You know, they're just, you know, faceless names. I have no idea who these people are. So am I going to trust them? Wholeheartedly probably not have no reason to trust them.

11:41 Wholeheartedly, right. They might say some interesting stuff from time to time. I have no idea. If it's you know if it's real if it's full of crap but I know my cousin and she's a pretty Solid chick, so believe her more than anybody else. And so I'll just have her, send a picture of that or shoot. We'll see if she can come on the show afterwards, you know, but it'll be in a few years and say, hey, tell us about your experience on the moon. Now they're calling it a return trip to the moon which that's open for discussion. This might be the first trip to the moon, you know, if everybody's kind of on the same page who, you know, whatever but yeah, I want to see what her Appearance was and see if she can take pictures and stuff and all that sort of stuff. Yeah.

12:25 Because I don't know, I have no clue. Question is is what would be if space isn't what we're told. Hmm. What what is it? That's, that's a big. That's like the well that's one of those questions. I mean I feel like at least as far as what we have for information that were not, we're not going to get a solid 100% answer on that. Time soon. I don't think you know and I don't think we should exchange each other out to space. It's the same question as what is God right to some extent? It's like it's an impossible question for you to like, put down on paper and hand to everybody for them to all understand and totally be what be with.

13:06 You see what I'm saying? Like it's some weird Beyond level that you just can't quite get. I can't even explain to us. The Trinity, is it doesn't make any sense to human being, right? It's the same kind of one. They're all the same person. So I don't think that the suits it's especially now with 100 Years of like pretty advanced technology in a few hundred years, maybe a couple thousand years of astronomical, you know, observations is no way that I can't get fucking cell signal right in a big chunk of where I'm at. And I heavily populated state in the United States of America, I can't get cell signal but they somehow can tell me exactly what happened.

13:48 Thirteen and a half. Billion years ago. You see what I'm saying? So we don't know, they don't know who and I think one of the biggest things that I will agree with when it comes to the idea of space, not being what we think it is, would be if I go outside right now and I look up into the night sky, I can point out different constellations and all kinds of stuff. You should be able to do that even on the International Space Station. But every time there's an image that's taken of the astronauts, there's nothing but black behind them. You're not that much closer. Zur, to the things. They're so far out there, you should still be able to see the dots. So I look at that, I'm just like, yeah, it's kind of fishy, but it's not enough for me to be like, that's fake, you know? I'm not only that but you have eyewitness testimony from astronauts right credible, astronauts, you know what the hell is talk?

14:37 Nothing out there. Some of them say that. It's so you see so many stars, beautiful, billions of stars. It's the most amazing thing you've ever seen in your life and some of them actually pitch black. Yeah, it's pitch black. You don't see it down Star, right? Even even Buzz, Aldrin. And Neil Armstrong had two different. Yeah, mhm, Recollections of where their stars are not. So it's like, come on, bro. Those guys, well, Buzz Aldrin has definitely set some wild things, you know, for sure. Anybody can go look at the very you have to look this up. They, we can even leave Earth or something like that.

15:17 We like didn't even leave told like, my favorite video of him, is what that eight-year-old were the eight year olds. Like, did we ever go to the moon? And he's like, that's not a question. An eight-year-old should be asking like, then he goes into this whole long-winded spiel about It, I'm gonna find this this video. It's like the oldest like the very first Like official government released video of Space, right? Like for of shit that they captured in space with the cameras, back in the day, where to find this video, I'm going to share it in the group because you're going to watch this and you're like, that's 100% fake and it was literally released by the government. Now you can be like all they did this in the 50s like was like, why would they fake it to psych out the other countries you're talking about, like, If other countries have, you know, said that they've gone to like, China has probes around the moon and Russia's got, you know, rushes in that.

16:09 Then you're having everybody in the space Community is full of shit. If that's the case, then it's a do, I dare say, Global thing, you know? Like when they, when they do say all that then then this is and it goes back to the absolute control. And if we are in something or on something, That. Isn't what we say it is. Does that pose the question of If it's inside something, we put things inside things, we put fish inside, fish. Bowls, we put hamsters inside cages, we put people inside cages. So could we end up that brings? I wouldn't say like leaning over to the full-blown creationism but there is something of design and I think you have the whole saying no was it art imitates, life life imitates art. We create things that could just be like what we could be on but then that's the Earth, shattering thing like you said that would ruin everything for everybody because that's that's like okay now we're it's like The Truman Show when he walks up to the wall.

17:24 He's like wait, what the fuck like that's and if that's true That's wild, but I think that's the big argument is seeking to where the lies start and where the lies end, they may never end and you may never find the starting point. So space the space being what fake or the planets not being there. The Stars not being there in space, the Stars being there in space. You're going off words of like you said, one person you've never met. So you know, could they could they be paid? Opposition could, you know, I think, I think at all I think there's so many psyops that are currently and have been in effect for maybe even a couple hundred years that now. But now we have the technology to where we can access the information.

18:15 But is the information that we're accessing Not just to make you look this way when you're actually supposed to be looking this way. So it's this whole, this whole Theory just brings up. Lies and my like I said before, my main point is let's talk about it from the bottom up instead from the top down. Because that's what people do is they start from the top down and they go. Well, let's talk about the Curve will talk about sunsets and we're guilty of doing that too because it makes good content. Let's let's let's let's be honest and we're and it's fun getting shitty emails. So but and then the reading I want to talk to more people. That are on the fence.

18:59 Because, you know, like, like Jeff you could say like some people would be like all that dudes, a flat earther but you're not, you're just, you're asking the important questions. And if we're talking about silly things, like you said. That's it's almost that's the siop we're just going back and forth with each other and fighting over what the actual, what actually is reality. And I think we're probably never going to find out what the nature of reality of where we live. What it what it is. And even maybe even who we are as whatever type of beings we are so Flat Earth is the ultimate rabbit hole. And yeah, you can you guys can do a whole year a year series of the whole thing and there's another podcast.

19:44 It's dedicated to just POG flatter than they listen to. So many of them, he's one of them but it is so deep. I think there's just deeper intellectual questions, more like philosophic Questions involved, flatters, not even that, don't even have anything to do with it being flat around. It just, it's the deeper questions of stuff that control think, right? The global control mechanisms and the information filters that we live in and like just those are the real deeper questions that you can actually get to if you explore the Flat Earth Rabbit Hole or others you don't have to, you could go down the JFK Rabbit Hole. You can go down the whatever around all you want the area, 51, right hole. But if you go down, I'm far enough in any of those rabbit holes.

20:29 You always end up at the same place, which is wait a minute. I'm pretty sure that all of these systems are working together even though it sounds ridiculous. But then you think about, they're all using money in money's fake and it's like they're using the same system right there. So why wouldn't they be using the same system to control information about space or the ocean or the shape or whatever? The simulation, who knows? Yeah. And another thing. Anyways, I'm done ranting about flattered. If I mean you know it's not a rat it's not a rat. We want to get the important see, important questions. Yeah. It's a it's an actual I guess a precursor to a debate of more questions because arguments get your questions without answers. Yeah questions with customs with yeah, really out without answers and really just whatever somebody's perception is on certain things.

21:25 And We'll probably never find out. And if we do, it's You're going to have a lot of flat earthers be like I fucking told you so but but who knows? I mean I really believe that it's all just to have us. Just it's just another topic to keep people. Entertained in nickering. Yeah, device is occurring because it might might actually be. We might be, it might be what we say it is. It's a planet and maybe it's bigger than what we say it is. Maybe it's smaller, maybe it's Hollow. I mean, or it's a pringle. I mean, you know, it could be spaces. Water, who did the spaces.

22:09 Water thing was something. We talked about how and Jeremy, I think you mentioned it earlier was there are different densities of water obviously, you know, the makeup of that water uncertain Lakes are, you know, far more dense. I mean, obviously there's certain Lakes where you just see like dead things everywhere, and it's just a pocket of, you know, death, if because of certain gases that are there, but water does work like the air. And, you know, if you surface to too fast in water, you get the bends, you know, your bloodstream fills up what nitrogen and basically die from the inside out, which would be the same thing would happen. If you went up in Sky super high, you die from the inside out, you know. So your I think it's, I think it's relative. I think we, you know, there are many questions. You know, why, why don't we just float off, you know, if there is something there and it's not an actual, you know, Dome because I know I've seen, I've listened to Jeff your episode on Spaces, fake, where you actually, you explain them hitting it, you know, you can actually see it in footage in certain And with rockets how you can see like there's the, you know, yeah and their outer wake of a boat or something skimming off the water like, in a way.

23:26 Yeah, I think we're just, I think our vision sucks and even if we use technology, like cameras were, probably not going to be able to. Even if I use my telescope, you know, I could, I could hold my telescope in on Jupiter right now. I can get you every all the gas bands that can get you, it's planets. And if I zoom in Far Enough a certain certain lenses. You can get some pretty detailed and it takes up a significant portion of the viewfinder, but without GPS it moves out of your with specially the Moon. It moves out of your view within seconds the moon especially but Jupiter be tan and blue. Like they say it is because of the new telescope, or Space Telescope. Yeah.

24:09 Some women that she teamed with James, In conclusion, the NASA argument is really interesting to bring up to people because there weren't no NASA. We went on the moon, we did this. We do that was like yeah. Well what else was made by people from Operation Paperclip. So right. I don't know how much you can really, really believe in things, but on the next episode of infinite Rabbit Hole, tabletop conversations, NASA's a dick and we all agree. It's important. So important. I don't want to after after months and months and months of doing the research, I didn't I didn't get it like, some of the proponents say, you know, two weeks you're gonna become a flat earther know, didn't happen to me, but I did have more questions than answers.

25:00 So it opens a lot of discussion and I think a lot of these Flat Earth podcasts and researchers that are hell-bent on calling somebody a globe tarred and vice versa should really Sit down and re-evaluate the way you look at it because I think there's lots of credible information on both ends and fighting over. It is exactly what they want you to do. So I don't want to go to Art t-shirt, just remember 60 or 65 million dollars a day. Yep, that's National budget. Absolutely ridiculous. The absolute a bit.

25:45 Hmm, and I can't get cells and I'm gonna use that. I'm going to use the universal sort of model like for movies, where it says Universal and hits going around the globe. And since a globe turd, t-shirt, man, / where of it is, Jonathan love it. All right, well, I think we're at a natural stopping point here. I would like everybody bear with us while we take this quick break. To put a little disclaimer here, specifically out to serve David Weiss of David Weiss and David stuff from friends. So I've also heard that David Weiss has an issue with people reading his emails on on shows that he likes to threaten people if they do it and what not.

26:44 So just be careful with that Dave. So I'm going to put a disclaimer out there, specifically for David Wise, and this is a legal disclaimer. If you email the infinite Rabbit Hole, I will read your email on air that is that, okay? And I'm just putting that out there and he doesn't matter what you put in your email, doesn't matter if you say, you'll sue me, if I worried it, I am putting out a disclaimer right now that if you do, it will be read. This is your warning. This is legal. This is legal, okay? Just leave us. Voicemail. If you if you want to really get sued you could name this episode infinite rabbit holes discussion of Flat Earth with flat Earth Dave and then you really get fucked that all that debunking David Weiss just like this one. Big chunk of my want to have a conversation with him about him, screaming at me and I don't think the argument, you can't the guy let's Be honest, man.

27:50 David Weiss doesn't even believe in Flat Earth. He is a, he's a mogul, man. He's trying to make fucking money, okay? That's all he's doing. And every time, somebody put something on the table that doesn't jive with his Flat Earth ideas. He disconnects from the call. I when Jeff first joined the podcast, you know, I was excited because I he just did a David Weiss episode and I was like, that was really Cool. That was that was neat to sit down, and listen to that. So I saw her watching podcasts and listening to shows about, or with David Weiss and guess what he does. I've seen it at least three times now, where he'll just disappear from the show, if he gets back to the corner, he just disappears. Hey, you guys, you guys seen that before? Jazz a couple.

28:42 I've listened to it quite a few episode. I think I listened to almost the entire library on Spotify. They had his name in the search bar and there was a few, but a lot of those shows that they're on, appease the theory, they're very much like, yeah, I believe. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. And that was one thing that we wanted to do the first time we did it in maturely. The second time we wanted to do it a little bit better. Better. But that was, that was the thing we wanted. I was, I told the guys, I was like, well, why why? Why can't we be to show that says? No. But it were not, you're not going to take our opinions, their opinions, we're not, astrophysicist were not mathematicians without Pilots, we're not anything.

29:26 So you could take what I say with a grain of salt. That Dave is a fucking moron and I might be you know like but that's fine. It doesn't hurt my feelings. I I enjoy talking about it but yours marker. I enjoy talking about it and I think I would love to have one of these guys on I know that Joe Rogan has even had people ask him about Eric Dubay coming on and I think Eric Dubay is like not fuck that not doing that. But I really want the theory to get out there. That's the, that is the Pinnacle of podcasting. So, you know, you will get to know Millions. I'm really, I don't know, I have like a different opinion on this man. I mean, I get I hear what everybody's saying.

30:07 I mean, I've interacted with David Weiss, quite a bit honest. I've had him on my show a couple times but like I interact with him a lot outside of being on my show. And, you know, I think that he does more good than harm. Honestly. I think that he opens his enough, people's eyes to enough of the shit to ask the deep enough questions that it makes up for the bullshit. And then you also have to take into consideration and just being a human, right? Like dude my shows not that big, right? I mean it's like I'm happy with it, don't get me wrong but it's not Hugh is not big. Show is nowhere near. What David Weiss know who David Weiss is no one who knows who I am in my new sure gets annoying. I have all my notes. Vacations turned off, people message me, I cold, you know, don't reply, leave your ass on red, you know, and I mean like and it's not on purpose.

30:55 It's just like, I can't keep up with the demand of people, so like I could imagine that at some point, David's doing eight shows a day that he's probably like, Fuck this. I'm out here, dude. You know what I mean? Like, That's fair. Yeah. No. I don't get me wrong. You know, you chose that life. So I'm not I don't have pity for you, but at the same time like I get it and I'm not going to like fall you for it and you know I'm saying like I don't think he's a bad, dude. I don't think he's out here trying to scam anybody. I think that he is doing what he thinks is the best way for him to open people's eyes to some deeper questions. He just doesn't say, just doesn't Wrong by berating people off.

31:36 Sure sure. Yeah again. Yeah, you know, don't care. Me wrong. I'm not saying everything about it is. Perfect at all. I'm just saying he's from Connecticut, right. I mean, like everybody from from Connecticut has a little bit of fucked up and and we lost all of our audience members in Connecticut. I wouldn't trust all for. They know, I'm just saying. If anybody wants to talk to David, you want have a real conversation. I can make that happen. Honestly, if you want to talk to Eric Dubay, I could probably make that happen to, I would rather talk to Eric. Yeah. We because he has, he has, he has the list and his list is Good grief. It's so long to but yeah, I know that. I know that one of my guys probably wouldn't, I mean I would love to have David on but in Contra contrary the second you start spout and we're going to disconnect you.

32:25 I'm not online by somebody. I'll trade you. I'll trade you Eric, Dubay for David Icke start emailing, man. Make it happen, bro. Let's set it up. We'll try to will try to Go. And we'll start like, we're trading fantasy fantasy conspiracy, you know like Fantasy Football, Fantasy conspiracy, but we're going to trade players obviously trading cards. Yeah, that's that's not a bad idea. If you like fantasy, I'll trade you this first edition. Charizard for your for Ford Ranger, Eric, Dubay, for David, Icke all. In all, I'd love to talk to the guy. I don't, I don't, I don't have any hate, it's just the way you came out us wrong.

33:13 Just not the way you, not the way you make friends, and probably doesn't want to make friends, but, and Mike's the wrong person to do that too, because he is a Savage person behind a keyboard. So I just would not want to be on the receiving end of one of these emails. I want to read them. Yeah, I'd really do but but past I was a long time ago, maybe he's, you know, maybe he'd like to talk to us but I can guarantee you, he's probably going to call a stupid if he hears her tonight are real most recent episode and Yeah, I just I want to have more of these conversations with people that are on that type of outlet that have the reach because it's an interesting topic.

33:57 Do I believe it? No, but there are portions of it in a nutshell. Not us, I guess you're staying. Yeah. So I'd like to have more of these and, you know, I'd like to have You know. Anybody that wants to come on, that's hearing this on your guys show for our show, hit us up, don't call me a moron and we'll, we'll have a great time. Maybe have a couple beers talk about talk about the firmament because that's one that I'm very interested in that we didn't talk about today. I'd really like to talk about that but yeah, maybe next time because I think that the listeners of the infinite Rebel or going to take this episode, I think that There's going to be a demand for more this, and if there is, then we'll Dave, will have you back on. We'll just, you know, pick a topic to dissect and in the In the Flat Earth world you know, kind of like what Jeff said, maybe we will get lost in the weeds. Maybe that's what people want to hear. I know it's not necessarily what Jeff wants to do, but, you know, we're entertainers to.

35:05 So I've gotten a lot of good feedback from our last just aimless conversation. So, I mean, this is just fitting right in there. You just go out on a limb and just keep going. Yeah. Right on well does anybody else have anything to say before we go? Yes, I wrote down like way back at the beginning of the other soda. All I want to say is Yeah, we may not care but the reality is you cannot tell me. We would not be shocked, surprised confused, the whole nine yards. If the news came out that the Earth was flat or vice versa, true, right? You like you got.

35:46 That's my thing. You got to just sit back and think about it. If the news came out tomorrow you literally would be like holy fucking shit. So flat follow-up question for that is how many people will come out and be like We're stuff. That's exactly the thing we're still clovers or how many flat earthers would be like. Nope, they're lying. It's a fucking Globe. That's exactly a flop over half of them would flip just because the government said so and I think that honestly, half of the people who are flat earthers because that is one of the deepest rabbit holes. I think half of them do that just because it is like one of the most rebellious things that you can do in the conspiracy Community. It's just be like a hardcore flattered. They're like, fuck it and I think Came out that it was that they said it.

36:32 If they said it you'd be like, no, dude, no way, bro. And always, that's what I'm saying. Who would, who would have to give the information for people to believe it? Well, that's his human nature, bro. You're never gonna get, you're never going to get everyone, some degree, some guy named You know, Jeremy down the street in. Menomonie Wisconsin saying, hey, turns out through my own research that the Earth is flat but people be like, oh, shoot versus the people that can shoot Rockets into space that may or may not exist. But saying, hey, turns out the Earth is flat and there was like, no, I don't trust them because it's the government because they are paid by someone that I don't know about her you know, whatever it is. Do they like, you're like if Danny DeVito key. Now, as a spokesman for the government and I believe it, he said, hey guys, the government, they want you to know. Yes, the Earth is flat.

37:29 Like you know what Danny, yeah I got you. I believe them but it have to be him and the whole cast of It's Always. Sunny cool. I think we're going to split this in two episodes. Nice, we'll get to out of this. Just do part one. Part two and then Then Dave I mean if if the fans dig it man we'll have you back on for another open conversation. Like this dude they're all like cop. God damn it. This guy this guy again no but I yeah I would love to do that. There's definitely more questions and if we do do it Jeff bring bring a list of your stuff and we'll talk about that because I want to hear.

38:14 Instead of me talking, I want to hear the other side. That's what I'm more interested. I stood in now, instead of hearing the top three people that we know their names on YouTube or wherever you can find them on the internet, I want to hear other people's theories and not just another podcast. That's no offense to any other podcasts that have done some Flat Earth research tough to listen sometimes because you're just not it's it's just agreeing with the person that's there. So I want to hear it from. I want to hear evidence in you know. Not a flat. You're not a full of what are they full Earth? What are they? But you have interesting theories and points and I want to hear.

38:57 So that's that's I encourage every single person that does Flat Earth Research In Their Shows podcasting. Stop. You fucking dicks to each other and just talk man because it's annoying. It got that was one of the most annoying things about my research was just people just being like the fuck you, fuck you, you know? Just it was so stupid and it made it not a valid argument to listen to, I have to shut it off because I was just like, all right now they're just name-calling and it's not just the big proponents, it's just people that are on. So I want to hear people that are actually actually want to talk about it and not be right. That's I want to hear something that's going to change my mind that too. That's what I want Moore's or something that's going to get my brain jogging and being like, holy shit, you know what you need to do?

39:47 You need to do the Steven Crowder? Are you need to go out there with a table and a banner that says, the Earth is a globe change my mind and just let people sit down and just talk to you about why they think it you're wrong. No, because that's exactly what Dave doesn't want because all they're going to do is call you fucking stupid. No no notnot. Dave, I'm talking about you, Jeremy, you know, you do that because there's only hearing the four voices that are talking to you on break right now and whoever's willing to come on the show. That's what neither all of it. That's what Dave's talking about though is that he doesn't want those. People, he doesn't want. I'm sorry Dave, I don't mean to speak for you or misinterpret what you were saying. But from what I'm, what I'm hearing is that he doesn't want someone to come on and just be like, no, you're fucking dumb because that's what you're going to get. If you do that, maybe you might get an astrophysicist on a college campus.

40:36 You know, I would love to have somebody with like a ph.d. in astrophysics. Be like, yeah, it's flat astrophysics. Should be get. R is back on. Well, here's a point that I just want to make because I thought about this earlier and I forgot about it. So, let me just make this last point is that, you know, if you really want to ask those people, you're talking about those smartest astrophysicists, right? These people who know the people would feed us this information, if you really ask them, Dude, we live in like some weird Quantum realm where nothing existed we blink in and out of existence all the time. It dish. It's not round or flat, we're not in, you know what I'm saying? So like this, if you talked to one of those people, that's what they would really break it down, television 0. So yeah, the argument of flat and round is completely irrelevant.

41:21 Again, it's so much deeper than that. And that's the conversations that need to be had. Yeah bottom up not top down, got to start at the foundation of the problems and the arguments and that's philosophical stuff and the NASA's a bunch of dicks conversation. Yeah. Don't be a dick to us talking about it but NASA are dicks. Yeah we didn't send NASA, an email telling she get a, what are you doing with my 60 million dollars a day? Yeah, my X dollars. You did David David Weiss. Let's team up and take on NASA. I would like would be awesome to do like with the birds aren't real guy is doing van and just slap on the side of it.

42:06 The Earth is the Earth is a globe on one side and then the Earth is flat. So if you catch the left side of that van and you're on the opposite Spectrum, you're like all right, but if you're on the other side you don't see it. So it's all perspective of what side of the van you're on. So you can really run more. Dude, that's a genius. So, For the experiment. Yeah it is like if they're doing them on us, why not do them back right World Tour? I'm gonna go get a business loan bro and run a bus dude. Let's go. Let's all do it. Road trip to the ice wall. Let's explore this, great idea.

42:46 Narr to running from from America to Antarctica. Yeah. Everything is perspective and it's hard for people to even wrap their minds around that concept. It took me a long time of going way deep to even and I still don't get it right. But like my idea of what I get is enough for me to get it, you know what I'm saying? No, thanks. Well, like, I just get that it's perspective. And I don't understand what the hell this realm that we exist in is, you know, and there's the, the language that we use does not have words to describe it even if there was a way for our minds to understand so it's like we're so far beyond being able to explain this shit. And I'm so okay with that and I think that the simple arguments are just getting again, get caught in the weeds man, talk. I'll fucking skylines 4 days.

43:40 I think that's, I think that's such a more fascinating topic to talk about is just what is the reality of reality. Instead of, you know, I mean, Flat Earth, it could be a component of reality, right? And that could be something that that fits into what our reality actually really is. But I think that the the bigger more interesting question is just reality in itself. What the fuck is this thing that we're living through every day? Yep. We're going to start a whole new Flat Earth movement of people that want to have rational conversations obtuse, different sides, It's going to change the whole game. They're going to listen to these two parts and be like, oh, shit, like other kind of asshole the other day shouldn't have done that. I think calm up, calm that some police sides on both sides. You got, you got jerks on both sides that just want to be, right?

44:37 And I'm not a smart person but you're both not going to find out if you're right, unless we start jettisoning each other in fucking rockets and go. Up to whatever it is and then take pictures ourselves because you're not throwing me into space. Yeah, I've done, I've probably done, I don't know, man. Like a dozen like Tick-Tock live debates with people, about Flat Earth and stuff Ken's, ours, been in quite a few of them in the chats and seeing, you know, like, you know, it's like it always just the same thing happens, you know, you bring up one point, the other guy can't answer it. Okay, well, let me bring up my point and then you can't answer it. Well, let me bring up this point then and then you can answer it and like nobody has all the fun. Fucking answers.

45:19 You know. Well that's portions of this conversation that we just had it's the same thing like that, everybody, everything. It's you say why sadness everywhere like to get people on the left and people on the right politically and at the end of the day people I mean they're fighting back and forth constantly but at the end of the day taxation is theft and we're all getting boned. Everything is like that. I go so deep sometimes and I'm like that's that's the bottom line bro. There it is. Yeah. This is cool, this is fun. It's cool. We kind of got off track but got two shirts, Globe, Tardes and flourish Tardes, yes, put them together and throw them out there. These just flips, don't even well, ours on the end of it. It's just, it's just a flirt, just a flat earther, but it has to be insulted, dude.

46:08 I'm telling you right now, you know, draw a Smurf in Earth colors. Yes. Do it. Smart floor. If you're going to put it out on the, on the dead merch to this episode and there's damn episode, he's got you, shut it down. Alright that's all you lights out you will see. Are you will hear Declassified Dave on future episodes of the infinite rabbit hole. We are teaming up soon. For another you know fuck it never mind we'll just go ahead and and spit out Declassified day was supposed to be our guests for the community and episode. Hmm But the thing is that we had to go early and just couldn't couldn't get them in not enough time not enough notification for him but he will be back.

47:10 He are he will be with us when it comes to part two of the communion episodes are part 3 part 4 whatever we end up. I can doing this is something that Dave and I have been talking about for a very long time and now that I have all five books, I can finally sit down and read them all and put together something nice for you guys. Dave, I think we're just going to do it as I'm as I finish up episodes and I know Dave has a lot of talking points talk about not only in the communion, but what's that other book that you're stoked talk about, dude. Oh his, another one of his transformation, a transformation. That one's got some wild wild stuff in it.

47:54 And And it's tough communions a hard one, because there's like, six different versions that have been printed and some things are taken out. And some things, if you can get an original version of it, that was what printed in the late 80s, early 90s. That's probably your best bet, but it. Yeah, interesting Whitley strieber is an interesting guy and it's definitely a fun one to talk about. So I'm definitely excited about that. I've been think I first read transformation about 15 years. Go. And it was during a don't want to give it up obviously talk about it in that show but it was during a small flap between a few friends. And I we had started to see, interesting stuff, swearnet whether in the sky and I had a friend that lost some some time and saw some strange stuff and smelled some strange things very similar to what Whitley strieber as described in some of his novels.

48:53 So, yeah, pot, right? No. Yeah. Then that you ever drink for this. A lot of time months, it was all on my couch, he was straight edge. Straight edge guy. So right. No drugs from Connecticut, yes. Whole what did you do all day? Where are they grunts? Whoa, all right. Well Dave you'll be back. You want to go ahead and let everybody know for the hundredth time where they Could find you and Josh Society. Yeah, if you haven't listened to us before. We are a One-Stop shop show Posh Society.com. You can find everything audio merch blogs. We now have a rock fin for our video portion. So we will be Continuously doing video we have started to upload our older episodes on a rock fan as well and that's Rock fun.com / our society.

49:56 There's also a link on our website all of our social media links. Are there we have a Facebook group pretty much. We're pretty much everywhere and Loki Shadow band on on YouTube, but we're working on that. So yeah, you can find myself have two other co-host, mystery Mike and Slick, Frank Sanders. And we are a conspiracy show is that if you if you didn't like to hear the things that I had to say, don't listen to it because there's like 10,000 Minutes in my voice so but if you did how shushes i d.com right on, all right, anybody else have anything else to say?

50:42 Nope. Nope, Jeffrey. So tired. You're all being lied to. All right, well as been another episode of the infinite rival podcast. We'll see you next time. The next PATH, the infant Rabbit Hole. Bye everybody. Bye bye.