Flat Earth Conversation Part 2 feat. Declassified Dave

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Hey guys, it's Jason.
I'm the host of the time will

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tell podcast here on anchor.
I'm also one of your most loyal

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listeners.
I would suspect as soon as they

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come out.
I've got to listen and I'm often

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on the Facebook page saying,
welcome rabbits.

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So I just wanted to say, thanks
for this amazing podcast, the

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whole team is great.
I love every one of you.

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You're amazing.
And from down here, in Tijuana

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at the moment, keep up the good
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Have a great day.
One of the biggest problems for

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any of these Niche conspiracy
communities, right?

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Because that's the problem,
right?

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When you talk about
conspiracies, in particular,

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it's so fractured within that
conduct Community, right?

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Any one of those Niche
communities inside of that,

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dude.
The biggest Talking Heads of

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those that people have follow
and listen to even they say some

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of the stupidest shit, right?
So that's the problem.

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The problem again is that people
aren't getting Eating what is

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being said.
And that's why.

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I said at the beginning, I don't
want to get stuck in the weeds

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because again, we'll do this for
days and days and days.

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Talking about each individual
little thing.

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That why is it flatter?
Why's it not flat?

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The point is the information
that we have about what we live

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on is filtered through something
that we you guys have already

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said, 10 times, right?
Some filter that we don't trust

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in so many other ways, and
there's no way for us to verify

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this outside of Going through
that filtered information.

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That's all this comes down,
true, very true.

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It's a major major argument in
the fact of why both sides or

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sides within one side.
Can't have a logical

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conversation without it turning
into an argument.

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And that's one thing that I
would love to change with this

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with this topic and other topics
to is where it just turns into

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people yelling over each other
and calling each other names and

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laughing.
At each other because we're not

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going to get anywhere to find
any sort of Truth in anything.

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If we're calling each other
stupid and moronic and Lopes

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ards.
Yeah, like and flirts and

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whatnot.
Like whatever, whatever,

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whatever name, you know, you
want to people call each other,

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or, you know, even just get, you
know, gets downright nasty.

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You start calling people, you
know, retarded.

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And that's just it's it gets a
like we've been told.

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But the problem is you have You
have the main argument, like I

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said before, is not the shape
that it from what I've come to

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conclude in this, it's the
suppression of information and

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the biggest portion of that
suppression of information.

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Yeah, could be the government
but NASA has a big hand in it

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and there are things that they
have done more recently.

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That some could be true.
Some could be not and one of the

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bigger ones for me which doesn't
change the shape argument, it

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changes the color of Jupiter.
Yeah it doesn't it doesn't

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change the shape argument.
It changes.

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The what is it what is reality
argument?

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Because when you do have, you
know, water bubbles on the ISS

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or on some space walks, what are
we talking about here?

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If we're in a vacuum you know
that's one thing or you see.

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Seeing actually seeing these
guys.

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Correcting each other on a cable
that is suspicious.

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Yes, and that is very suspicious
and that's where it the shape

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for me does isn't as important.
It's why are you denying it?

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And it goes back to the moon
landings and the technology

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being lost, which is the biggest
red flag.

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That should be the biggest red
flag to be people to be like,

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all right, so clearly whether
it's rounder, it's flat.

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We're being lied to about
something and something can

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huge.
We can all agree on that.

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Yeah.
And I think that's where

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flat-earthers in people who
believe in a globe Earth can

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fully agree.
And I think that's where

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everybody needs to start.
I think that's the biggest

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problem.
I think that honestly, that's

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the, the Real peace is really
bad.

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And, you know, it's, you know,
you can have all these different

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things that you believe or
whatever, right?

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And nobody believed that we're
never going to get everybody to

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believe the same thing, no
matter what it is, right?

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So that's like another big
problem is everybody's you have

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to be on the team that believes
it's flat or that it's not flat

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and it's like you have to be
able to step away from that and

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be like you don't have to be on
one of these teams and you also

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Have to not listen to the
bullshit and be able to weed

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through it, and get to like the
finer points of what's Happening

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Here.
It's a question of reality.

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The real thing is like, they was
saying they are hiding something

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and I think that Flat Earth is
really just a psyop to get most

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people to look because a lot of
the information is coming out

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with the internet.
A lot of the stuff that they've

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suppressed and hidden in lied
about when it comes to space and

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all these other things is
starting to come out.

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So they were like how do we do
this?

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Well, it's mask it in the super
ridiculous.

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Thing that 99% of the people are
just blindly laugh at for no

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reason, never look at anything
that a flat earther says, even

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though the in the 10,000 pieces,
they bring to the table.

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There's a handful of them that
are actually like, wait a

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minute.
That thing right there is one of

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those things you're like nobody
can really give me an answer on

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doesn't mean it's flat, but it
definitely means that they

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definitely lied to us.
See that's stuff.

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We need to be talking about.
And yeah, next time we come to

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the table, you know, because I
believe we should Do this again,

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we should bring some of those
things.

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What are, what are these these
these points that flat-earthers

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talk about that have people
scratching their heads?

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I want to hear.
I think that's a, that's a new

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approach that hasn't been used
before and that's something that

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I really wanted to start doing
was not to, not to persuade

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people to believe anything,
because I still don't believe

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Flat Earth, but but there are
talking points that both sides.

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Absolutely can both check each
other's hand and go.

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All right, we need to talk about
this because this is this seems

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like bullshit, and one of the
more interesting things you see

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with a lot of these major
proponents, this stuff you can

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find on YouTube, you got, you
know, you got some bigger guys

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like March marks, sergeant and
David Wiser's, two of the larger

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proponents and they both say,
you're not going to find this

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information on Google, yet your
stuff is on Google you to so

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contradicting yourself that
you're the stuff that we're

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finding for Nation is your
stuff.

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And one of the things that I
came in with that is you got one

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of them selling an app and I
think it's a for some people

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monetization is kind of the goal
for some of it.

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And then some people, you're not
really bringing anything to the

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table other than arguments.
And like I said that the NASA

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should be the first point that
we look at.

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Not, not the ice walls, not
anything else, not the Curve.

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Not what your, what your feeble
human eyes can see.

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It's what is going on above us
and, you know, at certain, you

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know, facilities that we have,
you know, a man like in Houston

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and or even where Jeff we're at,
you know, those places.

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I think a lot of people, you can
tell people a lot of things

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about NASA and they're like, oh
well no, we got this, we got

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that and there's the images
argument.

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Or like they're not real photos.
A little fucking, of course not

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their composite images because
if we can't go that far, In

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reality than you'd have to
stitch together, a bunch of

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pictures to make something look
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I mean, we all use Photoshop
just for our own shows for

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certain things, but bad
argument.

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But, yeah, I think it's looking
that bad.

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It was a bad example by me.
But looking at the looking at

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the, you said, Dave, the moon,
the moon landings, like the

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whole thing, then you're
spidering out to different

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different.
You know, conspiracies, you're

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talking about what's the nature
of the Moon.

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What's the nature of planets?
I think that those are all

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Interesting talking points with
one Theory but I don't think

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that they all should pertain to
the one Theory.

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I think it's because because
then you get into all these

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other things, like like Jeff is
saying you get into, you're in

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the weeds, you're talking about
the firmament, you're talking

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about the curve, this, that the
other thing and this is why I

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say space is fake.
It's super hyperbolic in like

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extra and it's just a, it's a,
it's a clickbait phrase on

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purpose.
Space is fake for this reason

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because it's not saying the
shape of anything.

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Saying, it's not saying
anything.

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It's just saying what you the
term space.

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If you, if you look at the
definition of space, right?

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That was given to us by suits,
just the word space was given to

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us by suits, right?
So, it's like that idea of what

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they've handed down to us.
Is fake.

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Not that, there's not a realm up
there and all kinds of crazy

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shit happening or whatever.
It's just that what your mind

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when you hear the word space,
that whole perception that you

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see the cosmos movies, the
National Geographic, shit.

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You've watched all the cartoons.
You've seen all the You've

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watched all the video games
you've seen about space.

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That's just bullshit, right?
That's the point.

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It's something else happening.
It may be similar but it's not

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that.
I'll tell you what my cousin and

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I'm going to say the word and it
was gonna go that place.

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My cousin just got picked up for
NASA.

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She's an 05 in the Navy, she's
wanted to be an astronaut her

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entire life since she was four
years old, she worked her way up

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into the ranks and she just got
picked up for the NASA space

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program for their next moon
launch and their training for it

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right now.
And she had to move to Texas for

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it and all that stuff.
I'm going to ask her to take a

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picture of the Earth for me
outside of a window.

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And, you know, text it to me
when she gets home or whatever

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it is and I'm going to look at
that and that's what I'm going

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to believe.
Now it is NASA so who knows,

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maybe they're gonna intercept it
and they're going to doctor it

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up be like, ooh, take out the
ice wall, but Has I know, I

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don't know.
No, I not 100%, but I'm 99.999

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percent sure that I will never
go to space for one.

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I don't like heights.
So not, you know, within my own

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will, will I go to space?
You know, but I'm going to take

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that and if she can take a
picture on her cell phone, I

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don't even know if she can do
that.

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But whatever, I'm just gonna go
based off that.

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Because that's the closest thing
I have without looking at this,

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you know, realm of experts.
Who I don't even know.

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I have no idea who they are.
You know, they're just, you

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know, faceless names.
I have no idea who these people

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are.
So am I going to trust them?

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Wholeheartedly probably not have
no reason to trust them.

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Wholeheartedly, right.
They might say some interesting

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stuff from time to time.
I have no idea.

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If it's you know if it's real if
it's full of crap but I know my

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cousin and she's a pretty Solid
chick, so believe her more than

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anybody else.
And so I'll just have her, send

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a picture of that or shoot.
We'll see if she can come on the

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show afterwards, you know, but
it'll be in a few years and say,

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hey, tell us about your
experience on the moon.

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Now they're calling it a return
trip to the moon which that's

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open for discussion.
This might be the first trip to

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the moon, you know, if
everybody's kind of on the same

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page who, you know, whatever but
yeah, I want to see what her

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Appearance was and see if she
can take pictures and stuff and

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all that sort of stuff.
Yeah.

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Because I don't know, I have no
clue.

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Question is is what would be if
space isn't what we're told.

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Hmm.
What what is it?

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That's, that's a big.
That's like the well that's one

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of those questions.
I mean I feel like at least as

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far as what we have for
information that were not, we're

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not going to get a solid 100%
answer on that.

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Time soon.
I don't think you know and I

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don't think we should exchange
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It's the same question as what
is God right to some extent?

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It's like it's an impossible
question for you to like, put

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down on paper and hand to
everybody for them to all

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understand and totally be what
be with.

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You see what I'm saying?
Like it's some weird Beyond

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level that you just can't quite
get.

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I can't even explain to us.
The Trinity, is it doesn't make

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any sense to human being, right?
It's the same kind of one.

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They're all the same person.
So I don't think that the suits

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it's especially now with 100
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technology in a few hundred
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years of astronomical, you know,
observations is no way that I

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can't get fucking cell signal
right in a big chunk of where

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I'm at.
And I heavily populated state in

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the United States of America, I
can't get cell signal but they

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somehow can tell me exactly what
happened.

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Thirteen and a half.
Billion years ago.

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You see what I'm saying?
So we don't know, they don't

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know who and I think one of the
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with when it comes to the idea
of space, not being what we

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think it is, would be if I go
outside right now and I look up

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into the night sky, I can point
out different constellations and

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all kinds of stuff.
You should be able to do that

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even on the International Space
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But every time there's an image
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there's nothing but black behind
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You're not that much closer.
Zur, to the things.

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They're so far out there, you
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dots.
So I look at that, I'm just

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like, yeah, it's kind of fishy,
but it's not enough for me to be

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like, that's fake, you know?
I'm not only that but you have

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eyewitness testimony from
astronauts right credible,

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astronauts, you know what the
hell is talk?

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Nothing out there.
Some of them say that.

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It's so you see so many stars,
beautiful, billions of stars.

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It's the most amazing thing
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and some of them actually pitch
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Yeah, it's pitch black.
You don't see it down Star,

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right?
Even even Buzz, Aldrin.

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And Neil Armstrong had two
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Yeah, mhm, Recollections of
where their stars are not.

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So it's like, come on, bro.
Those guys, well, Buzz Aldrin

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has definitely set some wild
things, you know, for sure.

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Anybody can go look at the very
you have to look this up.

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They, we can even leave Earth or
something like that.

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We like didn't even leave told
like, my favorite video of him,

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is what that eight-year-old were
the eight year olds.

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Like, did we ever go to the
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An eight-year-old should be
asking like, then he goes into

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this whole long-winded spiel
about It, I'm gonna find this

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this video.
It's like the oldest like the

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very first Like official
government released video of

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Space, right?
Like for of shit that they

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captured in space with the
cameras, back in the day, where

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to find this video, I'm going to
share it in the group because

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you're going to watch this and
you're like, that's 100% fake

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and it was literally released by
the government.

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Now you can be like all they did
this in the 50s like was like,

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why would they fake it to psych
out the other countries you're

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talking about, like, If other
countries have, you know, said

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that they've gone to like, China
has probes around the moon and

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Russia's got, you know, rushes
in that.

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Then you're having everybody in
the space Community is full of

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shit.
If that's the case, then it's a

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do, I dare say, Global thing,
you know?

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Like when they, when they do say
all that then then this is and

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it goes back to the absolute
control.

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And if we are in something or on
something, That.

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Isn't what we say it is.
Does that pose the question of

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If it's inside something, we put
things inside things, we put

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fish inside, fish.
Bowls, we put hamsters inside

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cages, we put people inside
cages.

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So could we end up that brings?
I wouldn't say like leaning over

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to the full-blown creationism
but there is something of design

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and I think you have the whole
saying no was it art imitates,

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life life imitates art.
We create things that could just

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be like what we could be on but
then that's the Earth,

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shattering thing like you said
that would ruin everything for

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everybody because that's that's
like okay now we're it's like

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The Truman Show when he walks up
to the wall.

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He's like wait, what the fuck
like that's and if that's true

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That's wild, but I think that's
the big argument is seeking to

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where the lies start and where
the lies end, they may never end

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and you may never find the
starting point.

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So space the space being what
fake or the planets not being

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there.
The Stars not being there in

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space, the Stars being there in
space.

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You're going off words of like
you said, one person you've

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never met.
So you know, could they could

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they be paid?
Opposition could, you know, I

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think, I think at all I think
there's so many psyops that are

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currently and have been in
effect for maybe even a couple

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hundred years that now.
But now we have the technology

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to where we can access the
information.

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But is the information that
we're accessing Not just to make

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you look this way when you're
actually supposed to be looking

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this way.
So it's this whole, this whole

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Theory just brings up.
Lies and my like I said before,

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my main point is let's talk
about it from the bottom up

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instead from the top down.
Because that's what people do is

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they start from the top down and
they go.

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Well, let's talk about the Curve
will talk about sunsets and

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we're guilty of doing that too
because it makes good content.

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Let's let's let's let's be
honest and we're and it's fun

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getting shitty emails.
So but and then the reading I

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want to talk to more people.
That are on the fence.

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Because, you know, like, like
Jeff you could say like some

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people would be like all that
dudes, a flat earther but you're

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not, you're just, you're asking
the important questions.

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And if we're talking about silly
things, like you said.

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That's it's almost that's the
siop we're just going back and

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forth with each other and
fighting over what the actual,

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what actually is reality.
And I think we're probably never

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going to find out what the
nature of reality of where we

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live.
What it what it is.

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And even maybe even who we are
as whatever type of beings we

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are so Flat Earth is the
ultimate rabbit hole.

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And yeah, you can you guys can
do a whole year a year series of

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the whole thing and there's
another podcast.

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It's dedicated to just POG
flatter than they listen to.

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So many of them, he's one of
them but it is so deep.

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I think there's just deeper
intellectual questions, more

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like philosophic Questions
involved, flatters, not even

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that, don't even have anything
to do with it being flat around.

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It just, it's the deeper
questions of stuff that control

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think, right?
The global control mechanisms

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and the information filters that
we live in and like just those

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are the real deeper questions
that you can actually get to if

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you explore the Flat Earth
Rabbit Hole or others you don't

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have to, you could go down the
JFK Rabbit Hole.

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You can go down the whatever
around all you want the area,

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51, right hole.
But if you go down, I'm far

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enough in any of those rabbit
holes.

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You always end up at the same
place, which is wait a minute.

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I'm pretty sure that all of
these systems are working

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together even though it sounds
ridiculous.

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But then you think about,
they're all using money in

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money's fake and it's like
they're using the same system

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right there.
So why wouldn't they be using

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the same system to control
information about space or the

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ocean or the shape or whatever?
The simulation, who knows?

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Yeah.
And another thing.

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Anyways, I'm done ranting about
flattered.

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If I mean you know it's not a
rat it's not a rat.

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We want to get the important
see, important questions.

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Yeah.
It's a it's an actual I guess a

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precursor to a debate of more
questions because arguments get

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your questions without answers.
Yeah questions with customs with

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yeah, really out without answers
and really just whatever

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somebody's perception is on
certain things.

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And We'll probably never find
out.

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And if we do, it's You're going
to have a lot of flat earthers

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be like I fucking told you so
but but who knows?

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I mean I really believe that
it's all just to have us.

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Just it's just another topic to
keep people.

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Entertained in nickering.
Yeah, device is occurring

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because it might might actually
be.

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We might be, it might be what we
say it is.

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It's a planet and maybe it's
bigger than what we say it is.

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Maybe it's smaller, maybe it's
Hollow.

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I mean, or it's a pringle.
I mean, you know, it could be

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spaces.
Water, who did the spaces.

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Water thing was something.
We talked about how and Jeremy,

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I think you mentioned it earlier
was there are different

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densities of water obviously,
you know, the makeup of that

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water uncertain Lakes are, you
know, far more dense.

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I mean, obviously there's
certain Lakes where you just see

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like dead things everywhere, and
it's just a pocket of, you know,

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death, if because of certain
gases that are there, but water

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does work like the air.
And, you know, if you surface to

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too fast in water, you get the
bends, you know, your

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bloodstream fills up what
nitrogen and basically die from

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the inside out, which would be
the same thing would happen.

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If you went up in Sky super
high, you die from the inside

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out, you know.
So your I think it's, I think

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it's relative.
I think we, you know, there are

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many questions.
You know, why, why don't we just

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float off, you know, if there is
something there and it's not an

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actual, you know, Dome because I
know I've seen, I've listened to

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Jeff your episode on Spaces,
fake, where you actually, you

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explain them hitting it, you
know, you can actually see it in

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footage in certain And with
rockets how you can see like

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there's the, you know, yeah and
their outer wake of a boat or

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something skimming off the water
like, in a way.

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Yeah, I think we're just, I
think our vision sucks and even

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if we use technology, like
cameras were, probably not going

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to be able to.
Even if I use my telescope, you

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know, I could, I could hold my
telescope in on Jupiter right

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now.
I can get you every all the gas

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bands that can get you, it's
planets.

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And if I zoom in Far Enough a
certain certain lenses.

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You can get some pretty detailed
and it takes up a significant

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portion of the viewfinder, but
without GPS it moves out of your

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with specially the Moon.
It moves out of your view within

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seconds the moon especially but
Jupiter be tan and blue.

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Like they say it is because of
the new telescope, or Space

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Telescope.
Yeah.

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Some women that she teamed with
James, In conclusion, the NASA

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argument is really interesting
to bring up to people because

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there weren't no NASA.
We went on the moon, we did

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this.
We do that was like yeah.

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Well what else was made by
people from Operation Paperclip.

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So right.
I don't know how much you can

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really, really believe in
things, but on the next episode

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of infinite Rabbit Hole,
tabletop conversations, NASA's a

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dick and we all agree.
It's important.

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So important.
I don't want to after after

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months and months and months of
doing the research, I didn't I

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didn't get it like, some of the
proponents say, you know, two

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weeks you're gonna become a flat
earther know, didn't happen to

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me, but I did have more
questions than answers.

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So it opens a lot of discussion
and I think a lot of these Flat

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Earth podcasts and researchers
that are hell-bent on calling

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somebody a globe tarred and vice
versa should really Sit down and

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re-evaluate the way you look at
it because I think there's lots

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of credible information on both
ends and fighting over.

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It is exactly what they want you
to do.

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So I don't want to go to Art
t-shirt, just remember 60 or 65

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million dollars a day.
Yep, that's National budget.

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Absolutely ridiculous.
The absolute a bit.

446
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:49,800
Hmm, and I can't get cells and
I'm gonna use that.

447
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:54,200
I'm going to use the universal
sort of model like for movies,

448
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,100
where it says Universal and hits
going around the globe.

449
00:25:56,100 --> 00:26:01,600
And since a globe turd, t-shirt,
man, / where of it is, Jonathan

450
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,900
love it.
All right, well, I think we're

451
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:06,700
at a natural stopping point
here.

452
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:13,100
I would like everybody bear with
us while we take this quick

453
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:19,800
break.
To put a little disclaimer here,

454
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:27,200
specifically out to serve David
Weiss of David Weiss and David

455
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,100
stuff from friends.
So I've also heard that David

456
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:39,000
Weiss has an issue with people
reading his emails on on shows

457
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:44,400
that he likes to threaten people
if they do it and what not.

458
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,900
So just be careful with that
Dave.

459
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,100
So I'm going to put a disclaimer
out there, specifically for

460
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:55,900
David Wise, and this is a legal
disclaimer.

461
00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,900
If you email the infinite Rabbit
Hole, I will read your email on

462
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:05,300
air that is that, okay?
And I'm just putting that out

463
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:08,500
there and he doesn't matter what
you put in your email, doesn't

464
00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:11,500
matter if you say, you'll sue
me, if I worried it, I am

465
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:14,600
putting out a disclaimer right
now that if you do, it will be

466
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,000
read.
This is your warning.

467
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,800
This is legal.
This is legal, okay?

468
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,000
Just leave us.
Voicemail.

469
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,800
If you if you want to really get
sued you could name this episode

470
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,800
infinite rabbit holes discussion
of Flat Earth with flat Earth

471
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:36,400
Dave and then you really get
fucked that all that debunking

472
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,500
David Weiss just like this one.
Big chunk of my want to have a

473
00:27:41,508 --> 00:27:44,900
conversation with him about him,
screaming at me and I don't

474
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:50,000
think the argument, you can't
the guy let's Be honest, man.

475
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,400
David Weiss doesn't even believe
in Flat Earth.

476
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,500
He is a, he's a mogul, man.
He's trying to make fucking

477
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:57,800
money, okay?
That's all he's doing.

478
00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:02,800
And every time, somebody put
something on the table that

479
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,400
doesn't jive with his Flat Earth
ideas.

480
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:13,200
He disconnects from the call.
I when Jeff first joined the

481
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,500
podcast, you know, I was excited
because I he just did a David

482
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:19,900
Weiss episode and I was like,
that was really Cool.

483
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:22,500
That was that was neat to sit
down, and listen to that.

484
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:27,100
So I saw her watching podcasts
and listening to shows about, or

485
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,000
with David Weiss and guess what
he does.

486
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:33,700
I've seen it at least three
times now, where he'll just

487
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:37,400
disappear from the show, if he
gets back to the corner, he just

488
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,800
disappears.
Hey, you guys, you guys seen

489
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,400
that before?
Jazz a couple.

490
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:44,500
I've listened to it quite a few
episode.

491
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:47,000
I think I listened to almost the
entire library on Spotify.

492
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,900
They had his name in the search
bar and there was a few, but a

493
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:56,000
lot of those shows that they're
on, appease the theory, they're

494
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000
very much like, yeah, I believe.
Yeah, that makes sense.

495
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,000
That makes sense.
And that was one thing that we

496
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,000
wanted to do the first time we
did it in maturely.

497
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,200
The second time we wanted to do
it a little bit better.

498
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:11,600
Better.
But that was, that was the thing

499
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,400
we wanted.
I was, I told the guys, I was

500
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,800
like, well, why why?
Why can't we be to show that

501
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,600
says?
No.

502
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,500
But it were not, you're not
going to take our opinions,

503
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:23,500
their opinions, we're not,
astrophysicist were not

504
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:26,000
mathematicians without Pilots,
we're not anything.

505
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,200
So you could take what I say
with a grain of salt.

506
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,900
That Dave is a fucking moron and
I might be you know like but

507
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,000
that's fine.
It doesn't hurt my feelings.

508
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,900
I I enjoy talking about it but
yours marker.

509
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:44,100
I enjoy talking about it and I
think I would love to have one

510
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:48,200
of these guys on I know that Joe
Rogan has even had people ask

511
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,700
him about Eric Dubay coming on
and I think Eric Dubay is like

512
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:54,200
not fuck that not doing that.
But I really want the theory to

513
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,000
get out there.
That's the, that is the Pinnacle

514
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,100
of podcasting.
So, you know, you will get to

515
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:03,700
know Millions.
I'm really, I don't know, I have

516
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:05,100
like a different opinion on this
man.

517
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:07,000
I mean, I get I hear what
everybody's saying.

518
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,300
I mean, I've interacted with
David Weiss, quite a bit honest.

519
00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:11,300
I've had him on my show a couple
times but like I interact with

520
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:14,300
him a lot outside of being on my
show.

521
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,900
And, you know, I think that he
does more good than harm.

522
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,600
Honestly.
I think that he opens his

523
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,800
enough, people's eyes to enough
of the shit to ask the deep

524
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,500
enough questions that it makes
up for the bullshit.

525
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:29,600
And then you also have to take
into consideration and just

526
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,400
being a human, right?
Like dude my shows not that big,

527
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:35,600
right?
I mean it's like I'm happy with

528
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,400
it, don't get me wrong but it's
not Hugh is not big.

529
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200
Show is nowhere near.
What David Weiss know who David

530
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,300
Weiss is no one who knows who I
am in my new sure gets annoying.

531
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,700
I have all my notes.
Vacations turned off, people

532
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:51,000
message me, I cold, you know,
don't reply, leave your ass on

533
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,000
red, you know, and I mean like
and it's not on purpose.

534
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,100
It's just like, I can't keep up
with the demand of people, so

535
00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:02,500
like I could imagine that at
some point, David's doing eight

536
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:06,800
shows a day that he's probably
like, Fuck this.

537
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,400
I'm out here, dude.
You know what I mean?

538
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,700
Like, That's fair.
Yeah.

539
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:13,900
No.
I don't get me wrong.

540
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:17,400
You know, you chose that life.
So I'm not I don't have pity for

541
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,500
you, but at the same time like I
get it and I'm not going to like

542
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:23,200
fall you for it and you know I'm
saying like I don't think he's a

543
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,400
bad, dude.
I don't think he's out here

544
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,600
trying to scam anybody.
I think that he is doing what he

545
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,900
thinks is the best way for him
to open people's eyes to some

546
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:33,300
deeper questions.
He just doesn't say, just

547
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:36,300
doesn't Wrong by berating people
off.

548
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:37,900
Sure sure.
Yeah again.

549
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,500
Yeah, you know, don't care.
Me wrong.

550
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:40,700
I'm not saying everything about
it is.

551
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:42,200
Perfect at all.
I'm just saying he's from

552
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,800
Connecticut, right.
I mean, like everybody from from

553
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,900
Connecticut has a little bit of
fucked up and and we lost all of

554
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:52,100
our audience members in
Connecticut.

555
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:55,500
I wouldn't trust all for.
They know, I'm just saying.

556
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:57,400
If anybody wants to talk to
David, you want have a real

557
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,700
conversation.
I can make that happen.

558
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,500
Honestly, if you want to talk to
Eric Dubay, I could probably

559
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,100
make that happen to, I would
rather talk to Eric.

560
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:05,700
Yeah.
We because he has, he has, he

561
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:10,200
has the list and his list is
Good grief.

562
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,800
It's so long to but yeah, I know
that.

563
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,300
I know that one of my guys
probably wouldn't, I mean I

564
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:22,600
would love to have David on but
in Contra contrary the second

565
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,700
you start spout and we're going
to disconnect you.

566
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,400
I'm not online by somebody.
I'll trade you.

567
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:35,200
I'll trade you Eric, Dubay for
David Icke start emailing, man.

568
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,000
Make it happen, bro.
Let's set it up.

569
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:40,100
We'll try to will try to Go.
And we'll start like, we're

570
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:45,800
trading fantasy fantasy
conspiracy, you know like

571
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,100
Fantasy Football, Fantasy
conspiracy, but we're going to

572
00:32:48,108 --> 00:32:50,800
trade players obviously trading
cards.

573
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,900
Yeah, that's that's not a bad
idea.

574
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:58,800
If you like fantasy, I'll trade
you this first edition.

575
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:05,000
Charizard for your for Ford
Ranger, Eric, Dubay, for David,

576
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,600
Icke all.
In all, I'd love to talk to the

577
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,600
guy.
I don't, I don't, I don't have

578
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,100
any hate, it's just the way you
came out us wrong.

579
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,700
Just not the way you, not the
way you make friends, and

580
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,400
probably doesn't want to make
friends, but, and Mike's the

581
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,000
wrong person to do that too,
because he is a Savage person

582
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,800
behind a keyboard.
So I just would not want to be

583
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,700
on the receiving end of one of
these emails.

584
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:33,400
I want to read them.
Yeah, I'd really do but but past

585
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,700
I was a long time ago, maybe
he's, you know, maybe he'd like

586
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:39,200
to talk to us but I can
guarantee you, he's probably

587
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,900
going to call a stupid if he
hears her tonight are real most

588
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:48,000
recent episode and Yeah, I just
I want to have more of these

589
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,700
conversations with people that
are on that type of outlet that

590
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:57,400
have the reach because it's an
interesting topic.

591
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,500
Do I believe it?
No, but there are portions of it

592
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:03,100
in a nutshell.
Not us, I guess you're staying.

593
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,600
Yeah.
So I'd like to have more of

594
00:34:05,608 --> 00:34:09,199
these and, you know, I'd like to
have You know.

595
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,699
Anybody that wants to come on,
that's hearing this on your guys

596
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:20,199
show for our show, hit us up,
don't call me a moron and we'll,

597
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:23,900
we'll have a great time.
Maybe have a couple beers talk

598
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:28,100
about talk about the firmament
because that's one that I'm very

599
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:29,500
interested in that we didn't
talk about today.

600
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:33,199
I'd really like to talk about
that but yeah, maybe next time

601
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,300
because I think that the
listeners of the infinite Rebel

602
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:41,800
or going to take this episode, I
think that There's going to be a

603
00:34:41,808 --> 00:34:44,900
demand for more this, and if
there is, then we'll Dave, will

604
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:47,600
have you back on.
We'll just, you know, pick a

605
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:54,199
topic to dissect and in the In
the Flat Earth world you know,

606
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,800
kind of like what Jeff said,
maybe we will get lost in the

607
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,000
weeds.
Maybe that's what people want to

608
00:34:58,008 --> 00:35:01,400
hear.
I know it's not necessarily what

609
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,300
Jeff wants to do, but, you know,
we're entertainers to.

610
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:09,200
So I've gotten a lot of good
feedback from our last just

611
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,600
aimless conversation.
So, I mean, this is just fitting

612
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,600
right in there.
You just go out on a limb and

613
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,000
just keep going.
Yeah.

614
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,900
Right on well does anybody else
have anything to say before we

615
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:26,000
go?
Yes, I wrote down like way back

616
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,700
at the beginning of the other
soda.

617
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:34,300
All I want to say is Yeah, we
may not care but the reality is

618
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:36,900
you cannot tell me.
We would not be shocked,

619
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:39,500
surprised confused, the whole
nine yards.

620
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:43,100
If the news came out that the
Earth was flat or vice versa,

621
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,900
true, right?
You like you got.

622
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,300
That's my thing.
You got to just sit back and

623
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,800
think about it.
If the news came out tomorrow

624
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,000
you literally would be like holy
fucking shit.

625
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:58,600
So flat follow-up question for
that is how many people will

626
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,600
come out and be like We're
stuff.

627
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:05,900
That's exactly the thing we're
still clovers or how many flat

628
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:07,500
earthers would be like.
Nope, they're lying.

629
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:13,100
It's a fucking Globe.
That's exactly a flop over half

630
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:16,400
of them would flip just because
the government said so and I

631
00:36:16,408 --> 00:36:19,200
think that honestly, half of the
people who are flat earthers

632
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,800
because that is one of the
deepest rabbit holes.

633
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,100
I think half of them do that
just because it is like one of

634
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,800
the most rebellious things that
you can do in the conspiracy

635
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,300
Community.
It's just be like a hardcore

636
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:30,200
flattered.
They're like, fuck it and I

637
00:36:30,207 --> 00:36:32,200
think Came out that it was that
they said it.

638
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,600
If they said it you'd be like,
no, dude, no way, bro.

639
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,700
And always, that's what I'm
saying.

640
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:41,600
Who would, who would have to
give the information for people

641
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,900
to believe it?
Well, that's his human nature,

642
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:45,100
bro.
You're never gonna get, you're

643
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:49,100
never going to get everyone,
some degree, some guy named You

644
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:53,800
know, Jeremy down the street in.
Menomonie Wisconsin saying, hey,

645
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:59,000
turns out through my own
research that the Earth is flat

646
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,900
but people be like, oh, shoot
versus the people that can shoot

647
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:05,900
Rockets into space that may or
may not exist.

648
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:10,000
But saying, hey, turns out the
Earth is flat and there was

649
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,400
like, no, I don't trust them
because it's the government

650
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,600
because they are paid by someone
that I don't know about her you

651
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,600
know, whatever it is.
Do they like, you're like if

652
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,200
Danny DeVito key.
Now, as a spokesman for the

653
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:26,700
government and I believe it, he
said, hey guys, the government,

654
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:29,500
they want you to know.
Yes, the Earth is flat.

655
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,100
Like you know what Danny, yeah I
got you.

656
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,000
I believe them but it have to be
him and the whole cast of It's

657
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,700
Always.
Sunny cool.

658
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,500
I think we're going to split
this in two episodes.

659
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:47,200
Nice, we'll get to out of this.
Just do part one.

660
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:53,000
Part two and then Then Dave I
mean if if the fans dig it man

661
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,200
we'll have you back on for
another open conversation.

662
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,000
Like this dude they're all like
cop.

663
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,200
God damn it.
This guy this guy again no but I

664
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:04,600
yeah I would love to do that.
There's definitely more

665
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:11,300
questions and if we do do it
Jeff bring bring a list of your

666
00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:14,000
stuff and we'll talk about that
because I want to hear.

667
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,500
Instead of me talking, I want to
hear the other side.

668
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:20,400
That's what I'm more interested.
I stood in now, instead of

669
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,300
hearing the top three people
that we know their names on

670
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:27,300
YouTube or wherever you can find
them on the internet, I want to

671
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:31,000
hear other people's theories and
not just another podcast.

672
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,700
That's no offense to any other
podcasts that have done some

673
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:39,400
Flat Earth research tough to
listen sometimes because you're

674
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,200
just not it's it's just agreeing
with the person that's there.

675
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,200
So I want to hear it from.
I want to hear evidence in you

676
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,000
know.
Not a flat.

677
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,200
You're not a full of what are
they full Earth?

678
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,800
What are they?
But you have interesting

679
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,400
theories and points and I want
to hear.

680
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,900
So that's that's I encourage
every single person that does

681
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:04,900
Flat Earth Research In Their
Shows podcasting.

682
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,200
Stop.
You fucking dicks to each other

683
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,500
and just talk man because it's
annoying.

684
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:14,500
It got that was one of the most
annoying things about my

685
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:17,400
research was just people just
being like the fuck you, fuck

686
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,100
you, you know?
Just it was so stupid and it

687
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:23,100
made it not a valid argument to
listen to, I have to shut it off

688
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:25,200
because I was just like, all
right now they're just

689
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,200
name-calling and it's not just
the big proponents, it's just

690
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,400
people that are on.
So I want to hear people that

691
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,400
are actually actually want to
talk about it and not be right.

692
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:37,900
That's I want to hear something
that's going to change my mind

693
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,500
that too.
That's what I want Moore's or

694
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:44,900
something that's going to get my
brain jogging and being like,

695
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:47,100
holy shit, you know what you
need to do?

696
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:48,200
You need to do the Steven
Crowder?

697
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,800
Are you need to go out there
with a table and a banner that

698
00:39:50,808 --> 00:39:54,400
says, the Earth is a globe
change my mind and just let

699
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,000
people sit down and just talk to
you about why they think it

700
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,000
you're wrong.
No, because that's exactly what

701
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,300
Dave doesn't want because all
they're going to do is call you

702
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:04,800
fucking stupid.
No no notnot.

703
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,700
Dave, I'm talking about you,
Jeremy, you know, you do that

704
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:11,300
because there's only hearing the
four voices that are talking to

705
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:13,600
you on break right now and
whoever's willing to come on the

706
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,700
show.
That's what neither all of it.

707
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:17,900
That's what Dave's talking about
though is that he doesn't want

708
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:19,700
those.
People, he doesn't want.

709
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:22,800
I'm sorry Dave, I don't mean to
speak for you or misinterpret

710
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,800
what you were saying.
But from what I'm, what I'm

711
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,200
hearing is that he doesn't want
someone to come on and just be

712
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,400
like, no, you're fucking dumb
because that's what you're going

713
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,600
to get.
If you do that, maybe you might

714
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,600
get an astrophysicist on a
college campus.

715
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:40,800
You know, I would love to have
somebody with like a ph.d. in

716
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,800
astrophysics.
Be like, yeah, it's flat

717
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,300
astrophysics.
Should be get.

718
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:48,300
R is back on.
Well, here's a point that I just

719
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:50,300
want to make because I thought
about this earlier and I forgot

720
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:51,800
about it.
So, let me just make this last

721
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,600
point is that, you know, if you
really want to ask those people,

722
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,200
you're talking about those
smartest astrophysicists, right?

723
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,400
These people who know the people
would feed us this information,

724
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,300
if you really ask them, Dude, we
live in like some weird Quantum

725
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:08,800
realm where nothing existed we
blink in and out of existence

726
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,900
all the time.
It dish.

727
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:12,500
It's not round or flat, we're
not in, you know what I'm

728
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:14,700
saying?
So like this, if you talked to

729
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:16,800
one of those people, that's what
they would really break it down,

730
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,300
television 0.
So yeah, the argument of flat

731
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:21,800
and round is completely
irrelevant.

732
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,900
Again, it's so much deeper than
that.

733
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:27,600
And that's the conversations
that need to be had.

734
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,000
Yeah bottom up not top down, got
to start at the foundation of

735
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,100
the problems and the arguments
and that's philosophical stuff

736
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,400
and the NASA's a bunch of dicks
conversation.

737
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,500
Yeah.
Don't be a dick to us talking

738
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:50,300
about it but NASA are dicks.
Yeah we didn't send NASA, an

739
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,100
email telling she get a, what
are you doing with my 60 million

740
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:55,600
dollars a day?
Yeah, my X dollars.

741
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,700
You did David David Weiss.
Let's team up and take on NASA.

742
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,700
I would like would be awesome to
do like with the birds aren't

743
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:06,600
real guy is doing van and just
slap on the side of it.

744
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,600
The Earth is the Earth is a
globe on one side and then the

745
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,400
Earth is flat.
So if you catch the left side of

746
00:42:11,408 --> 00:42:14,600
that van and you're on the
opposite Spectrum, you're like

747
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,400
all right, but if you're on the
other side you don't see it.

748
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,400
So it's all perspective of what
side of the van you're on.

749
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:24,900
So you can really run more.
Dude, that's a genius.

750
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,500
So, For the experiment.
Yeah it is like if they're doing

751
00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:32,300
them on us, why not do them back
right World Tour?

752
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,900
I'm gonna go get a business loan
bro and run a bus dude.

753
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:41,600
Let's go.
Let's all do it.

754
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:46,400
Road trip to the ice wall.
Let's explore this, great idea.

755
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,300
Narr to running from from
America to Antarctica.

756
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,000
Yeah.
Everything is perspective and

757
00:42:57,500 --> 00:42:59,400
it's hard for people to even
wrap their minds around that

758
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,600
concept.
It took me a long time of going

759
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,500
way deep to even and I still
don't get it right.

760
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:09,400
But like my idea of what I get
is enough for me to get it, you

761
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,000
know what I'm saying?
No, thanks.

762
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:16,100
Well, like, I just get that it's
perspective.

763
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:19,300
And I don't understand what the
hell this realm that we exist in

764
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:22,800
is, you know, and there's the,
the language that we use does

765
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,000
not have words to describe it
even if there was a way for our

766
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,200
minds to understand so it's like
we're so far beyond being able

767
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,900
to explain this shit.
And I'm so okay with that and I

768
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:37,900
think that the simple arguments
are just getting again, get

769
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,700
caught in the weeds man, talk.
I'll fucking skylines 4 days.

770
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:45,500
I think that's, I think that's
such a more fascinating topic to

771
00:43:45,508 --> 00:43:48,000
talk about is just what is the
reality of reality.

772
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,000
Instead of, you know, I mean,
Flat Earth, it could be a

773
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,400
component of reality, right?
And that could be something that

774
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,600
that fits into what our reality
actually really is.

775
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:05,500
But I think that the the bigger
more interesting question is

776
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:10,000
just reality in itself.
What the fuck is this thing that

777
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,300
we're living through every day?
Yep.

778
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:14,700
We're going to start a whole new
Flat Earth movement of people

779
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:17,800
that want to have rational
conversations obtuse, different

780
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,100
sides, It's going to change the
whole game.

781
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,500
They're going to listen to these
two parts and be like, oh, shit,

782
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:26,200
like other kind of asshole the
other day shouldn't have done

783
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,600
that.
I think calm up, calm that some

784
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,800
police sides on both sides.
You got, you got jerks on both

785
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,900
sides that just want to be,
right?

786
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:42,200
And I'm not a smart person but
you're both not going to find

787
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,600
out if you're right, unless we
start jettisoning each other in

788
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,500
fucking rockets and go.
Up to whatever it is and then

789
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:53,300
take pictures ourselves because
you're not throwing me into

790
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:55,700
space.
Yeah, I've done, I've probably

791
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:59,800
done, I don't know, man.
Like a dozen like Tick-Tock live

792
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,300
debates with people, about Flat
Earth and stuff Ken's, ours,

793
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:04,700
been in quite a few of them in
the chats and seeing, you know,

794
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:07,600
like, you know, it's like it
always just the same thing

795
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,200
happens, you know, you bring up
one point, the other guy can't

796
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,700
answer it.
Okay, well, let me bring up my

797
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:14,700
point and then you can't answer
it.

798
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:17,300
Well, let me bring up this point
then and then you can answer it

799
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,200
and like nobody has all the fun.
Fucking answers.

800
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,300
You know.
Well that's portions of this

801
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:23,000
conversation that we just had
it's the same thing like that,

802
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,200
everybody, everything.
It's you say why sadness

803
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,400
everywhere like to get people on
the left and people on the right

804
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,400
politically and at the end of
the day people I mean they're

805
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,800
fighting back and forth
constantly but at the end of the

806
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,300
day taxation is theft and we're
all getting boned.

807
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:43,900
Everything is like that.
I go so deep sometimes and I'm

808
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:45,700
like that's that's the bottom
line bro.

809
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:46,900
There it is.
Yeah.

810
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:51,800
This is cool, this is fun.
It's cool.

811
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,400
We kind of got off track but got
two shirts, Globe, Tardes and

812
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,300
flourish Tardes, yes, put them
together and throw them out

813
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:02,400
there.
These just flips, don't even

814
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,300
well, ours on the end of it.
It's just, it's just a flirt,

815
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,200
just a flat earther, but it has
to be insulted, dude.

816
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,000
I'm telling you right now, you
know, draw a Smurf in Earth

817
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,000
colors.
Yes.

818
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:19,900
Do it.
Smart floor.

819
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:27,400
If you're going to put it out on
the, on the dead merch to this

820
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,400
episode and there's damn
episode, he's got you, shut it

821
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:37,000
down.
Alright that's all you lights

822
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,400
out you will see.
Are you will hear Declassified

823
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,100
Dave on future episodes of the
infinite rabbit hole.

824
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:51,900
We are teaming up soon.
For another you know fuck it

825
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:54,700
never mind we'll just go ahead
and and spit out Declassified

826
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:57,300
day was supposed to be our
guests for the community and

827
00:46:57,308 --> 00:47:01,900
episode.
Hmm But the thing is that we had

828
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:06,700
to go early and just couldn't
couldn't get them in not enough

829
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:10,500
time not enough notification for
him but he will be back.

830
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,700
He are he will be with us when
it comes to part two of the

831
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:17,600
communion episodes are part 3
part 4 whatever we end up.

832
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:20,200
I can doing this is something
that Dave and I have been

833
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,400
talking about for a very long
time and now that I have all

834
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:30,200
five books, I can finally sit
down and read them all and put

835
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,500
together something nice for you
guys.

836
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,400
Dave, I think we're just going
to do it as I'm as I finish up

837
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,200
episodes and I know Dave has a
lot of talking points talk about

838
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:45,300
not only in the communion, but
what's that other book that

839
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:48,800
you're stoked talk about, dude.
Oh his, another one of his

840
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,400
transformation, a
transformation.

841
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,000
That one's got some wild wild
stuff in it.

842
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,200
And And it's tough communions a
hard one, because there's like,

843
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,400
six different versions that have
been printed and some things are

844
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,500
taken out.
And some things, if you can get

845
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:08,300
an original version of it, that
was what printed in the late

846
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:11,800
80s, early 90s.
That's probably your best bet,

847
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:16,400
but it.
Yeah, interesting Whitley

848
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,400
strieber is an interesting guy
and it's definitely a fun one to

849
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,300
talk about.
So I'm definitely excited about

850
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:24,200
that.
I've been think I first read

851
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,100
transformation about 15 years.
Go.

852
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:32,300
And it was during a don't want
to give it up obviously talk

853
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:36,500
about it in that show but it was
during a small flap between a

854
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:39,500
few friends.
And I we had started to see,

855
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,000
interesting stuff, swearnet
whether in the sky and I had a

856
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,400
friend that lost some some time
and saw some strange stuff and

857
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:51,400
smelled some strange things very
similar to what Whitley strieber

858
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,000
as described in some of his
novels.

859
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,100
So, yeah, pot, right?
No.

860
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:56,900
Yeah.
Then that you ever drink for

861
00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:02,300
this.
A lot of time months, it was all

862
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:04,700
on my couch, he was straight
edge.

863
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:06,100
Straight edge guy.
So right.

864
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,800
No drugs from Connecticut, yes.
Whole what did you do all day?

865
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:17,500
Where are they grunts?
Whoa, all right.

866
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,200
Well Dave you'll be back.
You want to go ahead and let

867
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,300
everybody know for the hundredth
time where they Could find you

868
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:31,200
and Josh Society.
Yeah, if you haven't listened to

869
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,900
us before.
We are a One-Stop shop show Posh

870
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:39,400
Society.com.
You can find everything audio

871
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:44,300
merch blogs.
We now have a rock fin for our

872
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:50,000
video portion.
So we will be Continuously doing

873
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,700
video we have started to upload
our older episodes on a rock fan

874
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:56,800
as well and that's Rock fun.com
/ our society.

875
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,600
There's also a link on our
website all of our social media

876
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,500
links.
Are there we have a Facebook

877
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:06,100
group pretty much.
We're pretty much everywhere and

878
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:09,800
Loki Shadow band on on YouTube,
but we're working on that.

879
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:15,400
So yeah, you can find myself
have two other co-host, mystery

880
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:23,500
Mike and Slick, Frank Sanders.
And we are a conspiracy show is

881
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:27,100
that if you if you didn't like
to hear the things that I had to

882
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:30,800
say, don't listen to it because
there's like 10,000 Minutes in

883
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:38,300
my voice so but if you did how
shushes i d.com right on, all

884
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:40,300
right, anybody else have
anything else to say?

885
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,400
Nope.
Nope, Jeffrey.

886
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,100
So tired.
You're all being lied to.

887
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,800
All right, well as been another
episode of the infinite rival

888
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,400
podcast.
We'll see you next time.

889
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,300
The next PATH, the infant Rabbit
Hole.

890
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,900
Bye everybody.
Bye bye.