Skinwalker Ranch Part 2

0:00 Greetings everyone, I'm Declassified Dave, 1/3 of the hush-hush society conspiracy our podcast and you're listening to infinite rabbit hole. Last week on infinite rabbit hole. If I shot this thing six times, and it didn't do anything. And then I shot it with a third out, six. And then it showed some visible signs on the second one. I wouldn't, then go take my rifle and my son and go gallivanting into the brush to go chase this thing down, I just let it go and be like everyone get the F inside the house. It's just incredibly fascinating, it's just wild, you know, it's just a hotspot for crazy shit, you know. Awesome, a future far off in the future. There's like a genetic issue where I would be too much genetic crisper shit, and the genome is just messed. So us in the future, come back in time to harvest DNA, and all kinds, of other things from select individuals, of course, blah, blah, blah.

1:14 But those are the beings that most people are seeing when they're seeing UFOs, if they're not, like, Lockheed Martin's stuff or whatever. But, you know, like, a lot of them are these crypto terrestrials that are kind of stuck here in this part of the timeline. I will say, I like sending a drone in first would be, what we would do, you know? So it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that another technologically advanced race. It doesn't seem far-fetched at, that's what they would do. Also it is us. That's what I'm saying, dude. It's us from the future man. I mean I would have been out of that place when I saw the wolf the first time personally, but that's just me.

1:59 This guy's a lot braver than I am. He's stuck it out much much longer. So It's I already I think you already know where my mind is going to go with this but like I'm definitely thinking that it's not what everybody thinks. Welcome back to the infinite Rabbit Hole. I'm your host Jeremy.

2:51 Today we're going to dive into part two of our Saga on Skinwalker Ranch. What is it guys? What is Skinwalker Ranch but your answer don't answer. Don't you bologna don't answer so last time on this last month that's just baloney, your Abalone? Yes. Last time on infinite rabbit hole. We jumped into the history of the Sherman's. And their time on the ranch today, we're going to dive into the need steam under mr. Bigelow. And then, we will be doing a part 3 where we go over and discuss the possible theories behind what's actually going on there.

3:34 And we'll get into our personal opinions of the place. But before that let's go ahead and bring everybody in since everyone. You just loves talking over each other and me kid, you're the only one that didn't do it. So So it's because I'm polite. I know. So Jeff, how are you doing? I'm great, thanks. How are you? Good man? God, I'm sorry kid. How are you? Okay. I'm I'm fantastic good, thank you for asking. You ready to jump back in the Skinwalker Ranch? I am, I'm stoked. So I know that the three gentlemen, that we have with us today. All Dove deep into the Skinwalker Ranch Rabbit Hole in between these two episodes.

4:20 Did you? I'm slightly embarrassed because I did not. Oh, shame, not black. I came, I did. However, I really want to watch this show and in Canada. We can't get Hulu without a VPN. So I did. Go VPN hunting. So I tried criminal. Well, there's about four more days until part 3 gets recorded. So you have no time at all. Never. So there's never any time will bring the other guy in since we already did who I also did not watch anything on the Skinwalker Ranch, Jeff.

5:03 We're bringing you back in. How does I know? I know you didn't and he did nothing. Nothing. Well, that's a little. Am I wrong? No wrong. No, you're wrong Emily. You're half-right have Ryan did not watch anything about Skinwalker Ranch but I also did not do nothing. Did not yet did not do nothing. So, I'm not wrong. Yeah, right either. Yeah, you didn't know y'all are wild. Hey anyways, Wes couldn't we until today? He had to go and buy the book that we basically did. Most are I did most of my research off of not the only book that I did, but he went ahead and listen to the entire thing. So, Wes, how the hell you doing today and thanks for jumping to the end.

5:55 Jump into the end. Yeah, we mean jump at the end, you know, all the secrets of Skinwalker Ranch? Now, I already knew most of it. I just was brushing up on it and I hasn't I hadn't read that book. So I had a long drive, the drive to my sister's wedding. So I bought the audible version of it and I listened to it on the drive out there. It's got to be a horrible Auto, audiobook. Wait a minute. No, it's a guy named you shamed Ken's are for not and now you're shaming Wes for Well, no, I'm Shannon. Yeah, we're going too far. Okay, he didn't go into the whole thing. He jumped to the the last page of the podcast and he's ruining it for himself.

6:38 Now he's going to sit there. Oh my God, it's you know, Jeremy is deflecting Jeremy's deflecting because he's a giant scumbag. So I mean, that's why right back to affect what your say, it was actually a great body. A book like the person who read it or whatever, you know, audible like it was actually really good. I thought really, yeah, great delivery really sucked me in. And when I was out in the middle of nowhere and for West Virginia, it was like there's I forget what part they're talking about. I don't want to spoil it but there was like it was like really creepy kind of give me like hairs on the back of my neck standing up kind of feeling you know and like literally I'm Like when I say I'm in the middle of nowhere and West Virginia like there's I haven't seen any other cars. I haven't seen any lights on side of the highway or anything, no buildings, the no type of civilization for like a couple miles or probably 5 10 minutes and then, I'm around this corner.

7:42 It's like midnight. And there's like, just a dude standing on the side of the highway, like, just my head lights, illuminate them, and I'm just like, yeah. In case you don't know that, that was another goal. But anyways, as Wes is anyways, a drink. Let's go ahead and bring in the guy who dove into the TV show because that my bestie. Oh.

8:25 Yes, Jacob. Well just for the occasion, I'm wearing the probe and time T-shirt. As I totally believe, this is a government thing but that does not exclude the possibility for some good old-fashioned probe in so definitely definitely that lengthens the fact. Yeah oh yeah just just to you know really seal the deal you gotta get probed but yeah I don't know I don't know what to believe anymore because I've seen some really convincing like documentary type TV shows that are strictly entertainment-based. They're all a bunch of nonsense but I don't know. It's like because I want to get really big and into this TV show and everything that's going on but it's really hard for me to buy everything that's going on and that nothing is scripted. And nothing is you know CGI and all this sort of stuff because I've seen all of that Other things like we were talking about.

9:27 I'm just going to say it Todd Standing and his TV show his Finding Bigfoot TV show, whatever. We're he's filming these Muppet creatures, right? And you just like these are big feet and it's just like, no. It's like ending Todd Standing. Wasn't. I don't think it was on finding Bigfoot, I don't know. I don't really watch. It will burst was some kind of Finding Bigfoot shows what I'm saying. Yeah, it was a documentary. He does a documentary where he has like a drone Going home and he's running through the stream in a Ghillie suit. And he looks like a like a cat dumbass. Yeah, so you horrible anyways, we'll talk about Todd Standing in the day because that's a whole other episode. Well, now, but that's just, I just mean like that style of documentary where he's claiming that this is like a real thing real phenomenon that he's he's found in there's pictures side by side.

10:20 One of the one of the What is it? One of the Bigfoot pictures and then I think it's a picture of him right next to it. You know, to, to pictures fate head-on, and you can totally see the outline of his face and his facial features perfectly encapsulated inside this Bigfoot. So it's like, obviously this guy Josh was just dressed up and in, you know, latex costume makeup and all this sort of crap and it's just like, right so, but I see the exact same pattern of documentary journalism. Whatever emulated in this and I agree. There's other parts where it's like did they just Hack That llama up or that emu and just there like you see it I did one with the it's not an illness you know but now packing their you know you know this bird or whatever but now they do they hack it up or did you know, something actually attack it, right? So it's just like, okay, there's some things that I could buy but other stuff I'm just like, I don't know, it's but yeah I'm enjoying the show, I think it's pretty interesting but I don't What to think about the actual episode? And I actually got some dirt, I got some dirt, just from just from editing the last episode, good, because it on your upper lip, I don't know dude, good looking at him, look at him, look at him.

11:46 It's beautiful. It's beautiful Jake. Don't listen to him. Yeah, I gotta give him a little little What let them know Hair Club over there and play with themselves? I don't know where I hear common are right here on my face. It just migrated down. Yeah, anyways, it is. It's a, it's a, it's one of those, it's one of those shows where it's like, what do you believe? Right now, it's not in life into this. It's not like other documentaries of this kind of stuff. Where you walk in thinking that, you know, this is just going to be BS. Of course, you start the show secrets of Skinwalker Ranch and you think this is all going to BBS, but then you see the signs that they put behind it and techniques of the do you like em?

12:39 Okay. Maybe then they actually get some of the evidence on film you're like, man, I don't know. Possibly did a dickau. Literally just die underneath a UFO. Right. Is that something that actually happened? It's strongly Charming. Show, makes you want to believe, but at the same time, you're looking at it, you're like, there's got to be some kind of entertainment factor to this, right? And undoubtedly, they're using real scientists and the real Attorney General of Utah was there, right? There's real people. But that doesn't mean that they've never utilized a political figure or a scientist for a TV show or a movie, like they've never Use Barack Obama for any of the movies that came out while he was the President right brother.

13:25 Like we need you to fake a press conference and say this thing so we can put it in the beginning you know introduction to this movie or whatever because there's a lot of that, right? And so I'm fun. I'm sure that Jeff would come out and say that that's never happened. I don't answer questions. I can neither confirm nor deny. But not very well. All right, boys, let's move on to knit all the way we do that. Can I clarify something from the last? The last episode, 20 bucks. And then I want to clarify to Jeff, always wants money notes. Oh my God, look at that notebook.

14:05 All right. Yeah, you know what? Will let's start it this way. Go ahead, Western Jake. Go, sorry, I told you beforehand. I want to do this but yeah so and don't count had the whole head the whole spiel about trying that like why didn't this guy was? It was Terry. Sherman, write his name. Yep, Terre Eastern, why didn't he try to take a picture or get video evidence? And I was like because he was like, well apparently he did he did he tried multiple occasions and just this this you know whatever you want to call it these this phenomenon happening on the ranch CH like it somehow knew whenever he was trying to like, yo film it or take pictures of it, and as we're going to get going to get into that seems to be a reoccurring theme that likes to play hard to get so to speak.

15:02 And I would have taken that versus the idea that he just wasn't interested in that sort of stuff. Because I was, I was going, well, I didn't say, he wasn't interested. Well, The he asked, was a literate to technology. I didn't say that. I ranchers and whatnot, your name. He was a dumb farmer. Yeah. Oh my God, you're not dead. You said they were rioting from people. They don't want, they don't want anything to do with technology plus there to say did what your it out. Even if they did, the whole reason they moved out here, Skinwalker Ranch was because they did want to get away from people and Jerry should be able to back me up on this. I was like the whole reason they moved out there. I come up.

15:43 That's, that's why. Yes, I mean, Oklahoma are no not Oklahoma any case Arizona, I believe no New Mexico, so an hour. Definitely the last episode I'm sitting here and I'm recording or I'm editing our audio from last episode just a couple hours ago and it's I wrote this down. I said in the last episode Jeremy said that Terry Sherman believed that there was a black budget craft and Gene editing being done on in the basin. In regards to the big giant wolf or dog, or whatever it was, and then the rectangle shaped craft that was, hovering and stuff. And so I had to really listen to that. I was like, what?

16:30 And it's, I went back and I was listening to Jeremy. He said that he had this wild idea that there was, you know, this black budget craft being Tested on in the Basin and also maybe gene-editing to explain the black animal or the dog. And I was like, that is quite the theory from somebody that I'm being convinced right now. Would have no reason to carry a camera on him ever. Like it was just like what a wild Theory from a simple, cattle farmer Rancher, whatever it was. It's like so that's the guy that you're going to try to tell me just oh, he's so busy working all the time carrying around a wind-up camera is just ridiculous for this person I'll just like because I found out about that stuff. I don't know a year ago like who knew about that sort of stuff Gene editing in the Is, if they weren't really deep into that sort of stuff, you know, and just like, so it's but I want to say again, thank you have to be deep into it, the know about it. I mean, in the 90s, I mean, your old internet, I like in the 90s I mean, there's other things besides right internet. There's movies and TV shows.

17:51 I mean, you know which ones that were any to Gene editing and black budget going to make me go to this. But it was just like it was One of those things where but on the other side of it you know we know from different episodes that generally speaking, it's okay like injured cold for example, right? Or not in your cold, but maybe Kecksburg Kecksburg UFO or something like that. But that people try to go around these mysterious crafts and then they're their technology or whatever just starts, just flubbing it just, you know, they can't get a good picture. They turn out why it's right because they like, radiate, the film, all that sort of stuff, Randall. There you go but they're only counter.

18:33 I have to that one. Is that I'm watchin this TV show and the yeah some of their stuff is messed up but they're filming the entire time and you're going to tell me that, you know, this basic technology of whining to the next slide and then clicking it to it. You know, expose the camera light. That's the thing that's messing up, not all of this camera equipment over here. So looks like this is you know, that's a good point. M and all kinds of writings, they were reading the Wacom and right matters are draining. Yeah, the TV cameras were going just fine and this is something to think about, right.

19:13 That's a good point. That's right. I don't know. Yeah. What is your name? Yeah. But at the same time, you know that is a pattern that we see often to West's point is that people try to take videos and pictures of these sorts of phenomenon and things tend to Now, whether that's a government thing and they're trying to just, you know, wipe all the evidence and stuff. They, we just want to expose ourselves to people don't allow people, take pictures, whatever, you know. I don't know, or it's an alien thing, right? But that seems to be a pattern that's very consistent across the board. So if that's the reasoning then, I mean, I have nothing else to do, but to buy it because it's not some weird outlier, right? Right.

19:56 So Jeff do you know any patents out there for? Agha teed micro EMP bursts that they could use or Something where they're like, I'm gonna stop that Mouse but the computer will work but not the mouse, not off the top of my head, but I guarantee you there probably is. I mean, if you're thinking of it there's probably a patent for it. Let's just be real, right? You know what I mean? Targeted. Jamming systems. Something ain't right. A logical jamming. I mean, we've had signal jammer did biological for a long time.

20:36 Yeah, but signal Jammers are not. You're not so condensed you know. They're they're sharing range isn't so not as be focused on one thing, right? That's what you say right. Kind of I mean right I mean I think it's possible that that I think that it's possible for that to be a thing. I mean I don't know. We can focus any any other kind of signal? Why wouldn't we be able to focus something like that? I don't know. I don't know. I just feel like that, that lends to the yo, what they were saying, you know, this whole during this whole ordeal that it felt like it was a intelligent, you know, thing, whatever it was, that was out there, you know, it's aware of him and his family and aware of what they're trying to do. And what not?

21:28 But yeah. I swear, I've seen something like that in a movie before that. Hold jamming. Yes Spaceballs. Yeah, it just sounds so much like a movie. It looks like, alright, guys, we are, we are aiming at a for our episode right now. So rash, Jeff's bedtime sake. Let's move on and get started with the episode that time. It's Friday, it's Friday. Jeff's trying to get signal. I was taking a big enough. I just had and, you know, the little promoting. I just want to add one little thing I saw. I watch that movie note the other night and it's heavily influenced by Skinwalker Ranch.

22:17 Oh absolutely. And and it was it was a great movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it because we know, hi everyone. So let's put this out there, right? So this requires no research. This requires watching a movie, if listeners of the Paranormal Network, or our of our audio version of the podcast. In case you don't know anybody listening on the Paranormal Network, we do have an audio only version of the podcast where you can listen to over 100 episodes of stuff that wasn't on the Paranormal Network. There's tons of content for you to jump on, if you want to hear a review of nope and hear us talk about that movie. It was really, really good and it falls right into our wheelhouse.

23:02 Let us Okay, head on over to the infinite Rabbit Hole, Facebook group, or hit us up at infinite. Rabbit hole at gmail.com. Let us know your name. Do you want to hear us? Do a review on? Nope, warning, spoiler alert. Okay, let's move on because Jen's at four hours to cover. We have 13 pages. So The Mughal and the Rancher. Robert Bigelow was a billionaire from Las Vegas. Nevada who made his fortune as the owner of the Budget Suites Hotel chain before. Growing his Empire with the establishment of Bigelow Aerospace a company aiming at the future Fortune to be made with space tourism and Leisure mr. Bigelow's interest didn't end at these two Endeavors a year before the Sherman rash stories.

23:55 Hit the news, Bigelow had founded knids. The National Institute For the discovery of research science. I fucked that up the national in every every search cow wasn't gonna say nothing, I was gonna let you roll with it. Totally fucked it up the National Institute for Discovery Science which focused on many parapsychological, parapsychological and paranormal topics such as the continuation of Consciousness after death UFOs and many others, as a major win for this needs team, mr. Bigelow purchased the Sherman Ranch in September of 1996. And one of his first editions, he made to the needs team was, was hiring Terry Sherman himself as a farmhand in researcher of the ranch that he loved so much.

24:45 Terry Sherman was extremely happy to be given the opportunity to not let the ranch get the last laugh and was assigned to investigate a string of cattle mutilations on the ranch. It was now Ranch Hand, Terry Sherman's, belief that whatever was to blame for all the strange phenomenon Skinwalker Ranch Skipping that because whatever I wrote here doesn't make sense. He stated his belief student ID Steam on multiple occasions and recommended that, if the team wanted to get the best results that more primitive techniques would be the best way to see the phenomenon. This is a little nod to the conversation that we had earlier. In this episode, his recommendations included, the building of more observation decks spread out throughout the ranch and closed-circuit landlines built-in for communication purposes.

25:34 Terry claim that wherever Was that whatever was behind all the action. Here is seem to not like modern technology and that when Terry attempted to introduce cameras and other recording equipment to his Arsenal, the phenomenon seemed to slow down. Of course, the needs team did not listen to these recommendations and soon added CCTV cameras with 24 hour, live recording capabilities to every nook and cranny of the ranch. And as Terry predicted, the phenomenon went dormant for many months now. He said well that's because there was nothing there. No that before the introduction of all this technology, many members of the needs team claimed to have had various experiences with the unknown on the Ridge and in the early days of the investigation, almost a year later, this string of bad luck. Finally ended.

26:28 Terry Sherman was on, watch when three of the cameras went offline, Terry was surprised to find out that the three cameras in question had all the cables and wires ripped from the back of them. The cameras were all placed on 15 foot, wooden poles, and would be nearly impossible for any known creature to do such feet but the strangeness really takes off when one of the surviving cameras on the property successfully records, all three red recording lights from the damaged cameras, going out simultaneously at 8:30 that morning. So now we have three cameras that were placed 15 feet on top of a wooden pole. All going out at exactly the same time. All three had suffered the same damage which was caused by the wires and cables being pulled out, not nod, not sliced, or properly removed. No, they were pulled out one cable, even had the connector still attached to it, but the camera's not, but the cameras only were able to show the recording lights going out. So whatever did this wasn't able to be About camera. Wes has something to say, go ahead with. Sorry, I thought it was at 8:30 at night. I remember them specifically saying that there was just enough light out still at that time. The bill to see if anyone had approached that camera. It was one of them was it filmed? This is why I gave you shit for reading a book. What an asshole?

27:55 No, ok. So I'm not exactly sure what a hunt for Skinwalker book said, but I do have multiple sources as I have a center. It was that evening time. So I have three other books and a couple documentaries that said morning. So I went with the morning just because more sources said morning, if skin if hunt for the skinwalker said night, I know that's more. Probably reputable Source, but I went with the one that was more common. So there were cameras there at all that what you want when one got there once?

28:36 But yes, stuff, as I dove into the mid steam it became apparent that yes, Terry Sherman did attempt to have cameras on the property during his stay at points. There were no specific stories about him and cameras that I came across. But When we started diving into the needs team in retrograde, we find out that. Yes, he did attempt to have cameras And in the book, they actually don't go into that until like towards the end, like they talked about all his encounters and stuff, all the things that he experienced with his, you know, and by himself with his kids and with his wife whatnot and they don't really mention it like at all. And then towards the end, they're like, oh, by the way, basically he had tried on multiple occasions like or that I think they that were in that uses many occasions that he tried, you know, different things to try to you. That's their attention.

29:36 He even at one point had like crawled, you know, through the field on the ground, like laying prone, like slowly like taking an hour or so, to get to a vantage point, you know, where certain for towels caption, you can tell them all. Yeah, it's almost. This is what exactly has happened before. It's got there. What you talking about? All this is doing right now. Is keeping Wes and I from going at it again just arguing. Nothing because clearly we would be arguing about something. That was something that took place, it would just be a wasted conversation. So now we can argue about things that we don't know about like what was his hair color, you know. Yeah.

30:20 Or electric vehicles and warranties. Yes. Yes. Anyways, what I told you that I am making a clarification. Like I found information that yeah, goes with what you're saying and I admit it that's what he that he is tried. And I'm not opposed to changing my opinion or what I thought happened, if I come across something, tell me. Oh this is what happened? Okay, yeah, same, that's no problem for me. All right, anyway, so what does oh, go ahead. Sorry You know, Jeremy interrupted me when I was saying, but he, you know, during the times that he tried to get video evidence or pictures or whatever, you know, this was before, and it's even got there.

31:13 So I'm not trying to like spoil nothing. I because I thought we were discussing what the needs team, you know, during their time there pacifically, but you know, he literally tried everything. He could think of, at least two like, Pull one over on the phenomenon, you know like he said in the book they were like if he if he like you know crunch to leave for some he literally lay there still not moving for like an hour, just to make sure that you know, whatever is out there wasn't on to him, trying to sneak up on it. But but, you know, like he, he went to Great Lengths to try to catch this stuff but, you know, it still wasn't enough.

31:58 It seems like, Like I understand the caution, right? But at the same time, They couldn't have been that sensitive. I mean, it was being happy, it was happening on a cattle farm. So you're hearing, you know, animal noises animals. I don't, I don't know what cows sleep schedules are right, but I don't think it just it. I understand that there would be like, this like sense of like, like, I really want to figure this out, you know, and I'm being really cautious and like that Army crawling across the ground and stuff, but crunching on a leaf, and then sitting there and laying prone and waiting. It's just like, I mean, I think I was cows in the background but also at the same time. No one's ever experienced anything like this, you know, like this is that's why this place is considered one of the UFO.

33:02 Hot spots in the hottest hot spots in the world, you know. But, you know, he does it. He had no idea what he was dealing with, you know, he just he just want to try to prove the people I guess to like this is what's happening. This is actually happening and I wanted to stop. That was his biggest thing. He's like, I don't care what it is. I just I want to stop but anyways back to you here's the question I have in regards to this these wires being ripped out of the cameras we're talking about like the wires being pulled out of the connectors. Yeah, so okay, so we're there any was there any droop in The Wire so that may be an animal, like a really big heavy animal, could have stolen cross it. And here's, here's how You know, either. How does that work out?

33:56 Listen, they're one of the cameras, caught, all three of the red recording lights, going out at the exact same time, right? So whatever happened, whatever happened. I mean, one of them, if one of them happens. Yeah, and you get like, a really fat squirrel that hops on some wires and it's like, oh shit. This fed a squirrel. Pulled out the wires, it's not going to happen. All three at the same time I'm sitting, I'm so dumb. I'm sitting here thinking about like, As with all their members for sitting in a row, maybe if there were like all on a pole, right? And they're all good reactions, but they're all mounted on this Pole, right? And then they were separate together, right? Are you are you going to bring up the tape? No, no, I thought of that as sort of a small detail and I just kind of left it out.

34:49 Remember we learned by small details Jeremy. Yeah. I mean I think it's pertinent because it went to show they at least in Hunt for a skinwalker. They, what's thing calm. I already forgot. Phone calendar. Yeah, he talked about, he specifically mentioned a tape saying that the wires going into the camera from the pole. Whatever was They wrapped with tape that was a total pain to get on and it would have been a total pain to get off and like it would have been quick and easy by any means. But here's here's the thing, the reason why I left that off is because you know I mean Wes you probably know a little bit but Jake and I are weilert.

35:30 We worked him avionics and me electrical wiring. And aircraft tape is used for a couple different things, insulation for the Covering shakes reduction. That's the big one, right? The the reducing of chafing? Yeah. You know, it's not really like why why would you use it? There's so many other techniques that would have been used better, you know, because you're dealing with something that's outside its external and you have elements. So why would why would tape be used on an electrical component outside you would use It is something it's better than as well but the estimate conduit is what you would use. If you're trying to protect something which they use, they use PVC is what they said.

36:22 Right? But but the thing is, is if they're trying to like they said that, they taped it with really good tape to a pole, right? But first rainstorm, this shit's gone dude. It doesn't matter what kind of tape use. I mean, unless you're using it will therefore, there's there for months though and never had an issue. Oh, does it does like that? I use PVC as conduit, you know, and the cables inside the PVC were also wrapped. And another detail was that the PVC was like when they went to inspect the cameras. It was just like broken and hanging off as if something possibly a hit but how is it? Something on all three, get hit and broken at same time. You know, I just I've looked at it from a electricians point of view in and I just said, this is bogus, I just did. I mean to It doesn't sound bogus. I've had plenty of experience with all that as well. You know, I said, 50/50 with this because I know, I know, a couple electricians who go out of their way to do really nice tape, jobs on certain things, just because it inside or outside Kinser, depends on the job. If you, if, if I have to tell like fishing, if I pay an electrician and they tape something outside, I'm fired, that's dumb.

37:39 That's gonna need to be use it. You should be using On do it outside because I just makes sense, but I'll do it or Shrink. You have to use one. You can use shrink I think we're. We're missing the whole point. Why I brought it? That's so. Okay. Is the fact that all three cameras had it and also had the PVC conduit around it and the tape was completely gone and Connor was broken on all three. So, it's one thing to say, one camera it was broken ripped out. Okay. Maybe a big-ass bird or out just like rammed it mid-flight. I don't know, tore it out. Okay. One thing but three cameras at the same time, that's a whole nother thing, you know. Okay. So I want to just quickly go over something so sorry. Jake, just I wanna make sure something here but I'm not said that he there was a few months of nothing before this all happened, right?

38:33 Yeah, so who's to say, somebody on this needs team said, I'm bored. Let's let's rig something up. And just because the knids team was in Las Vegas. That's where there are K. Well, how was was a warning there? Say somebody else wasn't and it could have been a terrible day and said I'm exactly. Terry said I'm bored and I want something right, was, right and Jake go. Okay? These, I don't know why you would tape up a perfectly good. Can you put your hand down unless they were really bad? Cables. That were really well used. And And the shielding, whatever the shielding was probably rubber was broken so they taped it up with duct tape, really good strong tape to withstand the elements.

39:24 So you know I mean months of it sitting in the weather whether that's the Sun or rain or whatever, just the environment in general, and then maybe it's not as sticky and then something now there's three of them so that's different right? That's that's That's the outlier, but here's the connector. And here's the cable coming out of the connector like this, but it's broken somewhere around here. So they tape it. And then this tape is suddenly not sticky and stuff and then something pulls it. And then the only thing that that's pulling on is no longer the shielding, right? The thick rubber that that covers up wires for a cable. It's just the wires going into the connector, which are not very strong. The pens alone.

40:12 Don't provide that much strength to keep the wires in there. That's why the everything is coated in rubber, but something pulls it. And then the wires, just rip out of the connector and the connector still there, we just did a poor tape job versus just covering it with more heat shrink. And then a lot of Av connectors are those quarter turns you, put them in, you twist them and they got the two little yeah, ends with the grooves and you just turn and twist. That's not good. That's not going to be easily disconnected. Some of those are pretty tough. But I'm gonna be honest with you, I think we completely wasted about five minutes of this episode talking about taping over, 20 minutes, easy? Yeah. Well, I think it's amazing because you guys are focusing on, on the tape in the, for the wrong reasons. But anyways, they taped it because I requested Genki electrician.

40:59 It doesn't, it doesn't matter what I think is an electrician the matter why they taste it. Just the fact that they said that they did and that it would have been a pain basket off. You know what that was inside the conduit and all three cameras. It was gone. It's one thing. If it's shitty tape. Tape job. Whatever. Sure, one of them, it can come off. Absolutely. Anyway. That's three. That's Jake why I brought it up. Jake made a good point. They are not electricians. Their scientists. So did they use tape? Yeah probably but maybe you see they got Jeff to save Jeff because he's bored and hasn't said a word in 20 minutes. We have to move on. Where is your background? Where's all your your stuff? What are you talking about?

41:40 Your stuff, your Sphinx? And all that crap behind you. Oh I put it all in the bathroom, my bathroom is like an Egyptian Spa now. So all the Egyptian stuff in there you know I hear that ladies. Yeah, come over ladies. Look at the Egyptian Spa come over and you can have rocks staring at you while you don't undress. And this walk-in shower with the removable, head on it, I get in there. I feel like I'm in the an oasis. All right. Yes, let's carry on. We still got about 12 and a half pages left. Yep, we're 40 minutes in. Yeah, we went through the first part.

42:23 All right, we're going to have to cut this into four episodes. This is going to suck anyways. Um, for those that are watching or listening if you hear me, say, hey, put your hand down. Like I said the Jake because the the program that were using we hit a little button. Says, Hey, I want to talk and they constantly hop it on down there image out of just trying to explain it. So they don't scare. Nobody can like know what, I've just whatever. Anyways whatever moving on. Shut up, Jeremy and read. Hopefully. Hopefully I can actually read will see. As you can see, I did not proofread this one. Okay. That's no Institute of Discovery and science research institute.

43:06 Yes, that's it. Who-who is knids. The national is team discovers science was a team of scientists created by Robert Bigelow, set to research the Myriad of his paranormal and Supernatural interests. One thing to understand about this, I mean, is that they knew that they were tasked to research a place believed to be in epicenter of a plethora of different Supernatural activities, but they always approach the matter and a very professional and scientifically acceptable manner. The team consistently use the scientific method throughout their research, as well as never settling for the easy answer to the events that would unfold in their time on the ranch.

43:48 All of the needs teams members, suffered serious hits, their professional lives due to their time. I'm investigating Skinwalker Ranch. Many of whom were very serious researchers and other scientific topics such as one of the authors of hunt for the skinwalker Colm. A Kelleher who is a PhD in Biochemistry where the concentration cell and molecular biology in the fall of 1996. The needs team set up their electronic devices around the ranch and whatever was behind all the strangeness is going to walk around. Chh-chh was now on the opposite side of the game of cat and mouse. Whereas when the ranch was But the Sherman's, the ranch was in charge now that the Science and Technology stepped into the ring.

44:29 The ranch was the one being hunted, the needs team made history as being the biggest operation that included extremely valued Professionals in various Fields coming together to investigate and study a paranormal phenomena. Many of these members attempted to remain anonymous Ned's began the investigation of Skinwalker Ranch with three researchers on the property, a physician A veterinarian and column Kelleher microbiologist. The team moved into a research trailer that Bigelow had paid to have put on the property and began their studies with setting up recording devices from magnetic, electromagnetic and visible ultraviolet Spectrum.

45:10 Readers other minor equipment. That was first used on the ranch were night vision binoculars video cameras with night vision radiofrequency, analyzers and microwave, detectors soon after research began the needs team grew by a few, more members enough people were now in Investigating the property, the form, two teams for nightly research Expeditions these teams consisted of one of the original researchers scientists and one or two investigators. The goal of these teams was to gather, as much evidence of paranormal or Supernatural activity with the tools listed before as they could, so that the needs 15-member science Advisory Board, which was external to the field. Researchers could dissect the evidence and determine new investigative strategies and That could be useful for the field team on September 16th 1996. At 01:30 one of the members witnessed a light over a row of cottonwood trees, just outside the window of the research trailer.

46:11 The light was so bright. That at first, the collective thought was that it was a flare floating over the tree line. The team watch as the light seemed to float downward into the trees and all of a sudden the like shot back up to the Treetops photos and video that captures the 10 minutes of Of the team's first Collective, anomaly seem to only show a distant light that did not look abnormal at all other than the unnatural movements. But to the naked eye, the bright bluish tinge and blinding illumination. Was something special to every member. This was important to the investigation and set the excitement to extremely high levels, seemingly right off the bat, the team had witnessed, its first unidentified, flying object. Although the team agreed that this meager light barely Quantified, something Supernatural, the team began to feel excited and more accepting of Tara Sherman stories, but there was still a lot of work to be done. All right.

47:12 Was it in the last episode that I had said that? I don't put a lot of weight into orbs and we started talking about that one. What was that place that you said that people observation deck who can go and look at all the orbs and stuff? Because I look that I don't remember which one I said, but I know there's, there's Marfa. I think we don't want that. Yeah, Marfa. So I had looked at up and apparently, there was a team of Scientists that went to go and explore, what's going on with that Marfa area. And they determined that all of those orbs that people see were headlights being reflected from the road as the cars pass by, and then citizens, except for the closest highway was extremely far away.

48:03 And they said that the reflection actually beans due to the the heat, the heat rising off. The And you know how it gets swamp gas? Yeah, well, no, no, so like if you're looking at a hot road, you can see like the heat waves coming off the ground. They said that that has some deal to do with Mirage. Yeah they said somehow that was reflecting the lights but come on man as well. I mean but they're scientists anyway. And they circumstance hate on cameras external to any not certified electricians, right? They're scientists because they have added Like a PhD in biology, doesn't mean they can go wire up a house, they're not waived certification because they're, you know, super smart and some areas. But anyway, I'm curious if this circumstance would have an explanation similar to that like a reflection off of, I don't know.

48:59 Someone's watch or something like that, you know, if there's fog or something, you know, large giant areas that have lot of fields and stuff generally, there's a lot of fog that kicks up In the evenings because of the temperature of the ground versus the temperature of the air. If so, if there's a red light or whatever being reflected off of someone's watch and they're just like, they're just standing there like looking at this thing and they just, you know, there's wiggling their their wrist and they don't realize it like, when you're in your car and, you know, you're the sunlight beams off your wrist watch and it's just dancing around the car. I wonder if there would be something that would have an explanation like this or the lens of a camera, right? It's reflecting off of the lens and We towards where they're pointing at which would be following this light.

49:45 I just a curiosity for me credit. Yeah, I mean I guess yeah because I mean that's a super simple explanation but still it could be something that would be looked over or because it's so simple, right? It'd be like, like wow we all saw this thing but I don't know it. It could be passed over and just not thought about as Maybe this is a reflection of something because a lot of cameras show red lights when they're recording, right? So if a red light is near another spot and it's being reflected out and it's hitting a backdrop of fog. I don't know.

50:26 Yeah, I don't know. Possibly, another researcher, Occam's razor right. Possibly could happen. I mean, it sounds like a pretty simple explanation. All right? So cattle mutilations cattle, mutilations became a fairly common occurrence on the ranch after Bigelow and the mids team took over the property. The first such incidents happened to two members of The Herd within feet of each other. The animals were found shoved under the fence the property and served as the event that Cause mr. Bigelow to install a ton of security cameras all around the property, as well as fenced-in observation decks for researchers to conduct stakeouts and watch the happenings of the ranch live.

51:07 As if the unknown entities of the area knew that they were now under surveillance all activities stalled until one day in January of 1997, just after a massive snowstorm had taken place. Terry had noticed that a couple of calves near the observation deck has strange marks around their eyes and ears, the team called in a local veterinarian, who insisted that. He had never seen anything like the marks that were on the young calves, but when another veterinarian, a more senior than Aryan had come to the property for a second opinion. He had said that the injuries were caused by a wildcat or coyote with the lack of tracks in the snow from either a feline or canine Intruder, the team concluded that this was most likely not the answer.

51:53 This small event would be the purpose. In the strangest of the area needed to return in full force and one particular event that involved. The mutilation of one of Terry's. Calves on the property, a calf was ripped apart in broad daylight just a few feet away from Terry and a few other researchers, the body seemed to have been ripped right open and one leg removed from the rest. Oh and all the legs removed from the rest of the body with ease along with these gruesome injuries. The calf also had all of its organs removed one ear missing and like many, other mutilation cases. It was completely drained of its blood. And as if this, couldn't get any weirder, once the needs team, placed the flesh from a move to your under a microscope, it was clear that what had done this had done. So with Precision, only capable of being made by a seasoned surgeon with a steady hand and a scalpel. Question.

52:49 Yeah, it was ripped apart right in front of him so he saw it being ripped apart. No. So we get into it. We dive a little bit deeper into this right away. So if you want, I can I can jump right into the next section. This was more of an introduction to the story of the calf and the net. Very next section does much deeper into the Story. Now because I have another question real quick. What's up? So they found that these calves. The, the original ones had, they claim that it was from a feline or canine Intruder because there.

53:37 But they said probably not because there was no tracks but this was just after a massive snowstorm. So at what point during the The storm where they attacked where these researchers could claim that. Well, that's not the case, because there's no tracks after a massive snowstorm. I find that one hard to believe. This other one is kind of is very strange, but that first one is like, yeah. Okay. Calves are an easy target, you know, the sick the Cavs, all right? Those are the ones that get attacked by stuff. Should it could have been taken by a Thunderbird. I think the whole thing with the footprints is is that they were able to see the calf footprints in the snow, but there was no other footprints around it indicating a predator of some sort had come and attack that point. I think that's, I think that's that in the, you know, when I listen to the book that that was how they they mentioned it, you know, it was obvious, if the calf's foot prints of their the should, if there should be a predator Footprints as well. But it wasn't and That's what, that's why it was, you know, where the cabinet as a either incident, really so alive. Well, the one that was split in half the Jeremy's talking about was just one well well not that one. I mean the other two to her life. Okay.

54:56 Well in that case are going on the hands underneath sense or no no, the other two that had the the ears and like the or the face, and the neck, like that sort of damage the stuff if there's no footprints around them. But there were still alive walking around in. That makes perfect sense, right? Predators going to came and went and this cow is obviously making Footprints because still alive and it's moving around and stuff. But the other one I agree, very strange was anything missing. The anus. Well from if you don't mind me stepping in Jeremy. When I read the book, that I thought there was just the one leg that was actually, like, detached from the calf and it was like, you're right, is, he seemed like, it was placed. I think I was mixing.

55:38 It makes that order that I think I was mixing stories there. I did not prove read this very well, but not gonna lie. I had a lot going on this week. Yeah, essentially, you know, we ripped in half at the rib cage. All the organs entire, you know, carcass was pretty much empty. Another thing was no blood, no blood on the ground, which should have been There can I come in this next picture real quick? Yeah I mean I'm sorry I don't want to that prepared this but not very well. He didn't proofread it right? Yeah. Knock amateur yeah. All right. Thanks so on March 10th 1997, while acting as a member of the needs team.

56:21 Calm Kelleher, received a phone call from Terry Sherman, Terry's voices, frantic as he told Kelleher about what happened with his new prize Angus, calf. On February 21st, Terry decided to move his cattle from his personal Ranch back to Skinwalker Ranch, a few or I'm sorry, a week and a half later, one of his newly born Black Angus calves would be dismembered in broad daylight leading him to contact and his team for an impromptu investigation. Five hours after, Terry called column Kelleher, a team of Three Investigators, were standing over the body of the calf or what was left of it. At least as a team, Over the body of the calf. That weight, 84 pounds.

57:02 Just two days ago, images of what could have possibly taken place ran through everyone's head, the dismembered corpse lay downs, back with the chest cavity. Splayed open with the points of the ribs Point, reaching Towards the Sky. All four limbs were found feet and one even yards away, all of its internal organs were gone and any sign of blood was nowhere to be found, not a single drop was found on the grass, snow or hide. Terry story consisted of him tagging the animals shortly, before finding it in the shape. It was in. When the team got there, he claimed to have walked a few hundred yards in another direction to conduct another chore that had to be done when his dog began to snarl in the direction of the calf and the other cattle.

57:49 Just after that, the blue heeler took off in the opposite direction and was still not back. Six hours later as Terry was telling us the team his story in fact this dog would never be seen again as Terry was finishing up, how he eventually. Walked back to the area, the dog was alarming to the veterinarian. That was a part of the knids investigation team pointed out. That one of the ears of the Dead. Calf was sliced off with a very clean cut as if it were made with a scalpel. Ear that had once been pierced with a yellow identification tag had now been gone and seemed to be the only part of the animal actually missing other than its organs and blood as night fell. The three-man needs team and Terry set out to try to find more clues.

58:36 As to what may have happened as they passed. The kind of dogs that properly kept that, the property kept for security and alarm purposes. The dogs stayed silent in Erie event. As dogs were always loud. When the team was round. But since they had arrived, the dogs just stayed in the count not making a peep after a failed night. Search for any clues, the team retired for the night, the entire day of the eleventh, and the daylight hours of the 12th gave up no details about the mystery of what actually happens. If calf, but in the late hours of the 12th, the team and the rejuvinated dogs were in the observation trailer. When all three of the remaining dogs began barking, howling the team jumped up with Carrying and Kelleher jumping in Terry's.

59:22 Farm truck with a powerful Spotlight on its driver side. The entire herd seem to be in the northeastern section of the ranch, and when the duo began searching the fence line, they cross the beam of light across a shadowy figure that looked like a cow for a brief second. In the tree line, near the Southeastern Corner, Terry turned towards the animal and sped quickly towards where the men thought they had sought just as the truck straightened out. Out both men spotted two orbs hanging in the tree line just over where they thought they saw a lone cow but as it got closer, they realized that these orbs were not words, they were the eye-shine of a gigantic black creature in the tree about 20 feet off the ground.

1:00:06 Terry stop the truck with the driver side window facing the creature, reach behind the seat, grabbed his rifle and very quickly fired at the creature, the light shining from the eyes disappeared and Terry thought he had killed the damn thing once and for all. All quote, I wasn't going to let that son of a bitch. Get another one on my animals. Terry old Terry, put the truck in drive and stopped about 40 feet away from the tree that the creature was sitting in the two men. Jumped out and split up, not long after Colin, Cowie her heard the quick 12 reports from Terry's rifle as he yelled, I got them. When Colin caught up with Terry, there was no animal just pissed off and Confused Terry, sure. Sherman, who claimed to have hit the creature, point-blank from 40 feet away, Terry was upset and confused as to how it could have gotten away after being so close to it. Quote sucker must have weighed 400 pounds. Terry, would tell comb the two men split up to search once more at the location.

1:01:08 The Beast last sighting comb held onto a camera, hoping to get footage of whatever the animal may be, or at least a foot print. And just as he was ready to But there was a large 6 inch circular footprint. The footprint was strange as it was nothing like anything, any of the four men at ever seen, it had two long finger like appendages coming out of the back of it as if it were from an inverted bird of prey foot. And the top looked faintly, canine the team, only found one other print 20 feet away before they gave up for the night. So the team Called it the only evidence that this ever happened are some photos from the investigation and a videotape. There was never a casting made of either footprint. When it was all said and done Terry, actually, claimed that there were two animals that night, one of the tree that he fired one round into and one on the ground that they had originally spotted and Terry would eventually hit twice with his rifle from 40 feet away.

1:02:13 He said that if he were to say that the creatures looked like any animal, he knows of You compare them to a very, very large wolf, but one that can walk on two legs, sort of like a werewolf. With the lack of physical evidence, the needs team decided that although they had seen something and the footprints were documented on video. This encounter failed to meet their requirements for proof of anything paranormal or Supernatural due to the lack of physical evidence, IE blood, a body or video of the animal itself. This would not be an event that would be written about in any peer reviewed article created by the knids team for the investigations in the Skinwalker Ranch. I mean, such an incredible investigation going on, and they're not going to take a cast of the footprint, I mean, that's just Amateur hour, hmm, right?

1:03:07 They have that much stuff going on, where they have a whole team of researchers over there, you know, various scientific degrees, all trying to study this thing. And then suddenly there's this quote, you know, must have been 400 pound animal that he shoots at leaves this crazy looking Footprint. That's different than anything anyone has ever seen before. But somehow they're not going to take a cast of it and then also he's going to go back and stay. Start saying, well there was another 12 and all sorts of stuff. This is where they tend to lose me. Like the story is interesting in itself until, you know, something really crucial is left out or you know, the person or people that are involved.

1:03:47 Then start adding extra stuff that wasn't originally in the report it's like, okay well, Either either something happened and then you're just imbue no embellishing it and flub it and making it you know add fluff to it like an eval or nothing happened and you're just trying to make content because you know this will be a really cool story one day. I don't disagree. I think that this was a very interesting story and I lost a lot of respect for the needs team because of this. But one thing stood out to me, right? So you had Terry and calm who had this encounter with this creature or creatures but the whole four-person team including Terry himself three from the mids one. Terry.

1:04:40 Who saw these prints now? Why they took why they didn't take the test? I don't know, because we're about to talk about another story where they did, in fact, take a cast of something, no idea. That's like, that's a huge red flag right there. Why didn't you take a cast? Did it's kind of, that's kind of what I got stuck onto because I can understand maybe not having a Tracker there to help track this animal, but you've also got Three scientists sitting there and not one of them thought. Hey, we need to take a casting. We need to document this footprint like Smashley especially because one of them to PhD biologists and this is Prince, never seen in his life.

1:05:24 Just leave it. Leave it to get destroyed by the ground. Yeah it makes no sense to me whatsoever. The other thing I have a question kind of a gross question, but hopefully I don't know if combined skills right here, some will be able to answer it for me. The idea of something being found dead and no blood being and its body, right? So I know that as soon as your dead dead, your heart stops beating your blood stops circulating inside your body right? Or for an animal or whatever it is. But at what point point does it start to coagulate and clot to wear then you could cut an animal open and no blood would come out of it.

1:06:10 Is it a couple hours, right? Because saying that there's no blood doesn't necessarily mean that it was drained of its blood, it could just be that it was, you know, ripped apart, or cut apart some time after its death because that blood there is no longer puppet. Pumping is now, you know, Old, right? So it wouldn't be leaking out. Like there was a heart pumping with pressure behind it, like a hydraulic system when you cut a line and start spraying out, that's what happens when you get an injury, right? Because there's pressure inside your veins but when that stops and everything slows down and it starts to coagulate, you could just as easily say, well there's no blood here but it could be, you know, doesn't necessarily mean that the animal died and it was immediately cut apart. It just means that sometime afterwards, right? That, that animal then was cut or you know, things were removed from it from a surgical perspective, you know, all these sorts of things but I don't know what that timeframe is or what that looks like.

1:07:13 So that I never really get hung up on that whole like oh there was no blood on the ground. It's like okay so the animal could have died of natural causes been left there for a day before it had time to start bloating and then hacked apart and stuff. And there would would they be any blood on the ground but but the Me, not say that Terry went in tagged the calf. Not too long before hand the same day. So I don't know. I got hung up like a footprint, like I had this and then I was just like, this is stupid. Or am I making things up? Yes. Oh no, it was about I think it was about 45 minutes where he had his eyes on wasn't so yeah there is no way that the blood would have coagulated that quickly. I I don't think that's unless you're trying to freeze the animal which Isn't the case here either, I don't know. As you were asking a question.

1:08:04 I was just thinking of the show. Dexter one of the one of the serial killers in the show, literally, drained the blood out of their victims and that like as you were asking that question, that's all I was thinking. I don't think that there's any reason to think that there's not some form of like, interdimensional portal or beings that are somehow just not of this Dimension or And they must be coming in here and maybe they have the ability to pause time in a weird kind of way, right? So 45 minutes goes by but it was long enough for them to sit there and surgically remove the organs from this calf without spilling, any blood, write the whole thing, and then go back through their portal into their own Dimension.

1:08:52 Maybe they've been here forever and they've just been doing this kind of thing forever. They just feed on organs of cat of calves and cows. And Analysis and anus. Is there you go? Yes, now by it. West did I forget anything? I thought that he was working like a hundred yards away at the time to when he didn't have his eyes on it. Yeah, I did mention not mistaken. It was a, it was a couple hundred yards. He was near enough that, if something was attacking it, he would have known because he would have heard it. Yeah, because actively attacking him because he had walked Terry our, I'm sorry.

1:09:40 Terry had walked home. Out to where he was when when his dogs Allah alerted to something over in the direction of the cows and I believe it was quite a distance. It was it was multiple hundred yards. I mean, your sources, probably said that for a single property. Sure. They met, they specifically, said, 100 yards. But either way, I mean, you can be pretty far away from an animal. That is upset and you're gonna hear, you know. Yeah. You could be multiple football fields away and hear that but also the one leg that was torn off at least in his first game. Walk.

1:10:26 They met they specifically said that like where it had separate it from The calf there is multiple ligaments and whatnot that like they said that the the force required to just rip that off would have been greater than, you know, the majority of predators are even in that area could apply. They did dive into that. And they specifically got a little bit into the anatomy of the socket that in which the the hip would have been attached to. So, I want to say it was in office going to walk away. I said all four of them but I could definitely be wrong. Is it also possible that this guy is being? You know, he's being visited and because of these visitations, there's time dilation and all kinds of other things, so maybe it wasn't 45 minutes.

1:11:21 Maybe he was experiencing something for fuck. Could have been 2 days, right? For all we know, and that could absolutely be a fucking Possibility. Is that I mean, missing time is something that has been documented or not documented but at least reported to happen around the Uintah Basin. Not necessarily on Skinwalker Ranch but they external to the ranch, the residents of the area and the natives have reported missing time. Yeah, I've had three hours of missing time before is wild. Yeah, and if you're out in the, in the, in your Ranch, you know, in the woods at the tree line on a bit of field somewhere and like an hour to slips by like you wouldn't even notice, you know, Well, for me, from what how they describe Terry, you know, he's when it comes to raising cattle and doing this.

1:12:17 This is this is what he loves. It's been in his family. He's very, very good at it. You know his cattle is prize for you know, How good they are. And you know, he Prides himself on, never losing more than one percent of, you know, his herd ever, you know, each year from predators and whatnot and he's very you know, what you say Street Smart. When it comes to working on a ranch of what not working with these kind of animals and protect them, what that would be? Rash, Mart Ranch my okay. Whatever BrandsMart. He's very rare me, such a Whole, I know, I'm just kidding. And I'm not, like, it seems like, I feel like he would be the type of person that would notice, if all said an hour had slipped by, you know, I don't know, because he's literally from sunup, to sundown, he's doing something, you know, he's got a schedule, the things he's doing and what not? And I don't know for time to slip by, for just him. I mean, for me it's like, wouldn't the cattle move and that time period, if If for whatever reason, time froze for him, unless they were victims of into they could be victims of single you know, you do that.

1:13:34 The moment that the cattle was killed, it could have been the start of this experience for him. A 23 hours could have gone by to him as 45 minutes and then by then these other these beings could have been doing more than just experimenting or interacting with him but also the cattle and whatever else we do forging for fucking mushrooms as well. I don't know. Well, What if, what if it was more like, you have, you know, we've talked about this could be beings From Another Universe Dimension. Let me finish what I'm saying. Quick while I have it in my mind, what if instead of freezing time in our reality, they're reaching in grabbing this pulling it to theirs and then you know, they had they can take whatever time they want. And then when they're done doing, whatever the hell they want, they just place it right back. Yeah, I could drive you.

1:14:26 A Time, differential somehow in the between the dimensions, you know, 45 minutes to us could be a week to them, you know, or whatever. That could be a possibility as well, Drew to what West said with him. This boasting of I only lose 1% of my herd and you know, all this sort of stuff, could it be that maybe there was way more than 45 minutes worth of time that had passed between the last time he saw this calf and it was out of embarrassment that he just said I just had my eyes on it. Well how how long they would see it off 45 minutes or so or That he may have been lying about the amount of time like purposefully because now there's all this attention to stuff, the only thing that trips me out about this is that because we talked about in the first one that Terry didn't ever, they didn't sell the ranch for a large profit actually looked it up, the ranch was bought by the next person for only two hundred thousand dollars in. It's very, very low right midsole 200k. Okay, so that was just like and then the Skinwalker Ranch, I show the new guy now.

1:15:39 Owns it right there and billions of dollars, right? Yeah. So so they made a profit but Terry did not and then also actually went to another, it went to a couple before it was bought by the current owners now. So there there wasn't owner in between who had very little strange occurrences but they did have it. It wasn't as As present as it was for the Sherman's or even for the Midstream. Well, there were a few to my point is that there wasn't a profit made by them. Yes although that's not to say that there couldn't have been an effort to maybe stir up enough, enough of a good look. I mean, I personally know a cattle rancher like in Kansas right now.

1:16:38 And he makes a good living, right? It's a lot of work. He's works, you know, crazy hours. You know when he's not dealing with all that stuff. He's also I think he he grows soybeans but there's he's constantly working now. If there was an opportunity for him to sell his property and all of his cattle and make way more money than he does with his current job, You know. Maybe that could be a motivation to add a little bit or two, you know, now I didn't happen. Right. And that's, that's weird and he didn't, I don't think he went and wrote a book about it, so that's weird. So there wasn't any effort for him to, you know, make money off of his own experiences, which you would expect, you know, if someone had a bunch of crazy experiences and there's a bunch of weird incidences and stuff and then they wrote a book about it and they're constantly pressing their book that Would, you know, there would be reason to believe that some of the stories may not have been as truthful as they laid it down as but that didn't happen the circumstance. So that that's throwing me for a loop, but maybe from the perspective of the sky, as, you know, boasting, whether that's ego or whether that's, you know, some sort of Pride level that he has that, I only lose so much of my heard every single season, you know, I'm such a good, you know, I'm such. A good Rancher, blah, blah, blah, all this sort of stuff, I raise the best beef, you know,

1:18:09 everything and then suddenly one dies and it's like, man, I just saw that thing, you know, that was, I just had my eyes on that thing, you know, true, is that true? I don't know because, you know, here we are just the section or just before this, he's talking about, you know, some animal that he shot at and then suddenly after, you know, this cast isn't taken. And then now he's saying that there was actually two of them, you know? Psych is what he's saying, honest and truthful if no one else is around you observe and to say yes it was 45 minutes. I was with him, you know, Well, calm did see the creature as well. So whether there was two of them or not, I don't know. But the creature was spotted by two different people. Terry was the only person him and his dogs that with that, you know, first person witnessed, The Killing from afar of the creature are of the, the cast, right? I mean, it wasn't even witnessed. It was heard, right?

1:19:17 More or less. He heard is dogs alerting to. It was brought his attention to it. He didn't. As far as I know he didn't really hear like the calf bleeding or writing or like the the mother cow bleating John. Oh yeah I mean all of these are perfectly reasonable. I don't, you know, I mean when you're talking about missing time and stuff like that or paused time or time I'm dilations between multiverses that says, you know, as much sense as you can make out of that stuff, right? So there's a level of unbelievable - to it that you got to take with a grain of salt. I mean, at the same time, I've been watching this show and there's apparently a nuclear radiation leak, leaching out of the ground and affecting people's like giving people tumors in there, you know, skulls and stuff. So I mean, yeah, I mean there's a bunch of weird stuff going on. Here that I do believe could be happening, right? And the whole dish idea that it's a big, you know, a big satellite dish, but on the ground, right? But so yeah, a lot of weird stuff going on but interesting so far it's okay.

1:20:30 I can't wait to do the last episode. I think that's going to be the funnest when we get to dive into some of the theories behind Skinwalker Ranch like what's really going on? And then we dive into our own opinions. I think that that's going to be the the real golden episode of this series. It's going to be fucking fantastic. Let me guess he bought this property to make a cattle ranch on because it was so cheap because it used to be used for nuclear weapons testing out the aware and he's just like, I don't know. There's an acre. Yeah, you give me money to buy this here, right? No. Um, the Bulls one of the most infamous incidents that happened on the ranch happen when Gwen and Terry were driving back to the area of the ranch, the held their prize bull. The couple were just there looking after their to Black Angus and two black sentimental Bulls, but as they returned, 45 minutes later they were gone.

1:21:29 The Corral where they were left was empty and Silent, no signs or evidence left at all as to what could have happened as Terry walk, past an old white lock trailer. Next to the Corral that hasn't been used in years. He was shocked to find that through the cutout window. On the side there, stood, the four bowls fitting perfectly and methodically into the cramped trailer, that was still locked. The Bulls seem to be in a trance almost as if they were frozen in time. Terry was very happy to see them and yelled out for Gwen as Terry began to get really excited and started messing with the lock to let them out the Bold spring, back to life and began to kick and belt their frustrations with in the heated moments of their Awakening.

1:22:19 One of the Bulls kick so hard. That one of the walls of the trailer fell over and the for Animals ran out several hours later when and Terry had their bowls rounded back up in the Corral and head. Home 20 miles away to sleep for the night. A few days later. The needs team showed up to investigate, Terry's claims a few very interesting points that were made from the team was that indeed. The only way into the trailer, would have been through the still locked door, at the back of the trailer cobwebs were still in place near the middle of the section that the two doors would close in to each other which helped the case that however, the poles gotten to the trailer in the first place, it wasn't through the intended way.

1:23:02 Ways feces and damage were very present in the trailer and the team held, no concern that the animals were in fact, in the trailer, a few things that they also found that didn't seem right about the story was at the space seem to be too small to fit. All four animals that weighed over 2,000 pounds each and how would they get into the trailer in the first place? The team got to work investigating the area and found something very interesting. The metal bars closest to the trailer or Sighs. What? When one of the investigators passed by the area with the trailer, the handheld magnetic field detector went crazy but was perfectly silent.

1:23:42 In other areas with similar structures as the metal bars in the Corral after. Hourly periodic testing the magnetic force in the bars, had completely diminished as a team closed up their investigations. The Corral where the bowls were kept. And when the sun went down, they began heading back to the trailer. A member Of the team noticed and mentioned that the dogs were once again in their kennels being very quiet. One of the dogs was even whimpering So sorry about the poles. So in order to Make steel magnetic don't you have to like put a bunch of electricity through it. Yeah that would probably charge this probably the quickest way to do it.

1:24:29 Though there is natural ways of doing it as well, obviously because there are natural magnets but I mean it is it is an odd occurrence though, it is very I missed a good chunk of that because I had to step away to get some water and give my cat water. So unfortunately I'm I don't really have much for you on this one. Thanks Jeff. Sorry. I don't know, man. Wes kid. I keep coming back to the dogs first. This guy keeps losing his dogs like that sucks.

1:25:11 He's a terrible pet owner. Well, obviously can't keep his cows. Can't keep his dogs. He's just not have animals, but this is now the second time that's but that it's been mentioned, the dogs, being completely silent and like, cowering in their kennel and that To me is a sure sign that whatever's around is not friendly because not even the dogs want anything to do with it. Dogs act. That way around Bigfoot, they do they do there but nobody said Bigfoot was friendly. Well, this is why I keep saying like interdimensional like every time we do an episode as because I think even Bigfoot is like one of these creatures that just doesn't quite exist in this Dimension, you know?

1:25:59 And that's why it's so evasive. So maybe these meet maybe Dogs were just aware of this in some kind of way and they're like, because dogs are go after Bears, dude. Dogs go out for beers, you know, they'll chase a freaking mountain lion you know like they're not some of them were afraid right? But some dogs aren't and if you're a Rancher you got dogs that aren't scared. So maybe they're just like whoa. This is some otherworldly shit. That's true. Yeah, I had reason Ridgebacks African lion hounds like literally made to hunt lions and stuff or bread. So yeah, you're right or her Something has asserted its dominance over the dogs.

1:26:40 Could ya? I am pack leader. You stand down mean, like something mounted, a dog. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe most of these beings are millions of years old and dogs have evolved knowing that these things have existed in their just terrified of them from genetic memories. I love you, Jeff Wes, you're right, man. Yeah, I think, I think that dogs are just more sensitive to things happening around them. Most animals are very sensitive to their environment. You know, whether it's you know Birds freaking.

1:27:24 I don't know, just any any wild animal they almost it's almost like they have a sixth sense when it comes to just crazy shit happening, you know? It put a lot of places where like volcanoes are about to erupt or whatever out of nowhere. You know, animals are fleeing the area beforehand, you know. There's just multiple examples of things like that happening. I think that's why the dogs are just going nuts because they're just like, there's something out there. And they don't like it, you know, they feel as a threat and, you know, so far this presence on the ranch has shown itself to be a threat to them, you know.

1:28:04 So yeah. That's my, that's my thoughts on. Why the dogs going nuts? I agree with Wes, you know, animals, you know, whether their household pets or birds or whatever it is act. Attic and flee when it comes to weather events, you know, hurricanes tornadoes natural, occurring, events, if we're to assume that, it's because of the change in like magnetic fields or something like that. And this property is just pulsating that crap just constantly, right? And constantly having some sort of a natural or other than natural occurrence on it, where it's just emitting all this energy and Radiation and stuff like that.

1:28:52 Like we've seen on the show, right where they have all the beams and stuff and they have a focal point and everything. Then the dogs acting erratic could have really nothing to do with any sort of beings on the thing. It could be just simply because maybe they're trapped on a, they have this desire to flee and you escape, but they're trapped because there's at some point fences around their location. There's nowhere to go to escape this, you know, impending doom. That they seem to All animals seem to sense that we're just completely dumb too. Mmm. Yeah. Yeah, Wes. I think hit it pretty well. Animals. Know, better, simple as that right.

1:29:35 We don't know. Yeah, we're dumb idiots. Yeah I just morons just standing around looking at the tornado. Like Wow. Let's Take a Selfie West is like I could have done a better job at this guy sucks. The entire there was she right now? I'm all right. Oof. Sure. Yep. All right man, I love you. Okay, thank you Father. Alright, another magnetic, anomaly the day. Immediately after the bowls were stuffed into a locked trailer and the same day that the needs crew showed up to investigate, how the bowls completed, such a feat, the Sherman's witness, another strange event as Terry and Gwen Sherman were driving around the ranch, doing their daily checks on all of the animals, they notice one cow standing in front of a light blue Look on the edge of a tree line staring into the trees.

1:30:33 They watched as the animal began backing away slowly towards the rest of the herd out of the corner of Terry's. I a compass that he began carrying on him as a way to tell that there was an entity around began to point in the direction of the cows stare as the lone cowboy joined in with the others, they all began to split into two groups. One moving West, one moving East as if There were a school of fish moving swimming away, fish swimming away from a shark. That chose the swim on through the compass continued to follow whatever was forcing the herd to split the Sherman's continued to watch The Herd and the compass and track whatever was bothering to cattle for 11 minutes but it simply continued on pasta heard and the compass went back to normal.

1:31:24 This story was passed down to the ninja team for both Terry and Gwen as the hole. Crew went back to the trailer for the night after investigating the bowls and noticing that the dogs were once again scared and silent. So, I was short one. What do you guys think? Same thing? Like I was invisible creatures, man. You know, they're not quite here. Yeah, they're like Predators. They're not quite in this Dimension but maybe they just kind of can somehow, you know, I'll be honest when I was, you know, in every instance that I read about this, or listen to it in the hunt for a skinwalker, my first take was what made him instantly go for the compass that just seemed out of.

1:32:18 Hmm, I don't know, it was just like, what, why would he think the do that first? But then, you know, for all I know he he seems like a very smart guy, you know? You know, he's Ranch smart, but like, things like this happening are things that don't happen to, to, even the average person, you know, having these kind of phenomenon and weird things happening. Maybe at some point, he noticed that, you know, there was magnetic anomalies, you know, I don't know, and he just kept the compass around, from there on out, you know, but maybe think. Okay, he just put two and two together whenever stuff happens. I can kind of see the direction.

1:33:00 It's at, you know, I think that it might be something as simple as that but it is pretty wild. That Not only was he able to see? I was Compass but you know like you said it was just like a school of fish parting for the Predator like a shark or something, I'm swimming through and you know, I don't know for all, we know this could be a real creature that you just can't see in in the spectrum of light that we as humans are able to see for all we know. Yeah, I don't know. So you should Have been here for the Carter Bush heart episode. It was Bigfoot simple as that. We saw this in the put it out. We saw this in the in the show too, like all the cows grouping together scared like they were packing in so tight that there then fighting and ramming into each other and they're all freaking out and stuff.

1:33:50 Wasn't that the same time that they saw that UFO? It's not like right above them. Yeah, I've seen a couple of UFOs in that show. I haven't watched the show and probably over a year, but it's just like, you know. So I'm glad that they at least brought it up or that you brought it up in this, because I thought that was strange, right? That's one of those things from that show where I'm just like, why are they doing that? You know, if this is all, you know, hokey and fake and stuff, that all the cows were bunching up together. And, and fighting and, you know, going crazy and stuff, then then they saw the UFO above it. So yeah, but I guess my opinion on it Remains the Same that I think that it's a response to a magnetic or some sort of a frequency anomaly versus a creature or interdimensional type being something like that. You know.

1:34:49 Yeah. Why not? I mean, you believe in demons, right? Jake. Yeah. That's the same would say that. You can say that humans are interdimensional. That's exactly what I thought. It's the same playing, right? It's the same, it's the same plane. Except one of them is visible on one of them is invisible right, right. You could call them frequencies. Yeah. And it's the same thing as what West was saying, with not being able to see them because they're in a different light with light frequency, maybe they just exist in like a different frequency band. That's why the scientists couldn't see anything with all their equipment and shit either, right? So maybe it's just on a wire, they frequency that we just don't even know about but they have the ability to kind of phase in and out. That's why people see them once in a while.

1:35:30 But why are they grouped in that area? Then the Earth is covered in spotted in all kinds of places that were considered portals to other dimensions by ancient cultures all over the planet, you know. So it's like maybe this is just one of them. Maybe there are just a spice. The threshold is thinnest. Right? What's that thing that you always talk about the Ley lines? Yeah, like Ley lines and shit. Yeah. Is there a walker? Wear a trench intersection here? Yep. It's on a Ley line. Look at that. Perfect. Boom. Right on a fucking game over. Shut it down. We're done. I'm home now. What's that? Smell is the smell sulfur.

1:36:11 Jake Jake's following on with my notes. No I wanted to take a step back and kind of comment on or piggyback. I'm a piggyback off of West here. No, don't do that. Yeah, something you back in. So What West was talking about for the listeners. If you haven't read this book before I remember specifically in this book, it the way that they had brought the compass into the story was very matter-of-fact. It was just like, oh and then, no way. Yeah, you just like grab the compass. He was like, oh wait, there's something right there. Let me grab a compass, right? I know, it's really weird. I think it was in this bar right here, baby. Come on Tom, and you really need Find your direction on your own ranch.

1:36:57 Come on. Stop it. Listen, if you're an outdoorsy guy, right? There's outdoorsy people and part of their EDC is like a compass and up naive and you know gone and like a guy that knows it walks at night, you know, with no. Anyways maybe it's a size. I believe it was in this book by Conrad Bauer. I could be wrong, but I believe it was in this book where they actually do Vin to. To the compass a little bit more and explained that it was due to him just like West was saying as he was, you know, trying to make sense of the compass. Wes is right, it was due to one anomaly that was magnetic and he was like, you know, I know that compasses act strange to Madness and started carrying a compass as a primitive tool to be used instead of more modern ones like video cameras too. Try to capture evidence of an anomaly. So that answers that hunt for the skinwalkers, great book, but they did a piss-poor job for him to compass into the story. Um, so just wanted to clear that up. All right.

1:38:10 Good to go guys. Ready to find out what that smell is Jake. Yeah. What's that smell? This is actually probably my shortest section in this entire Series. So we'll Breeze through this real quick. Two days went by without anything happening. All right? We're all done. No, I'm just kidding. I wish we had a sound clip of that smell just for that moment. What's that smell two days went by without anything happening, but on the third day, when the team was taking plaster casts, there, it is of strange prints on the ground, a horrible stench, filled the air and members of the team claimed to feel the hair on the back of their neck stand up Kelleher claimed that this was one of the few times during his Time on the ranch that he felt immediately threatened. Nobody on and his team saw thing. But Terry would later claim that the same smell has been around plenty of times during his days on the ranch often, it is followed up by an event.

1:39:12 Nothing came that particular night, but this would not be the last run-in. Let would not be the last running with this horrible smell. There would be times in a future, that smell would come and stronger and even inside of the Each trailer. So that's it. We actually don't talk about the smell anymore like Brimstone to me. Oh, well, so cover and you're talking about specifically the when the kids were small and it, right? Yeah. Because the podcast at first listen to the first person I ever listened to it or heard anything about Skinwalker Ranch with do another podcast listen to and they crack me up. It was probably one of my favorite parts of that episode particular episode, they're talking about the smell and how it suddenly appeared in their research trailer. And when I was like, oh yeah, you told me all these researchers are sitting in here for hours eating junk food. What not forgetting.

1:40:10 Something like smell didn't appear out of nowhere. We're at the bowling and suddenly smell a terrible smell. What is that? I think it's pretty easy to solve where that one came from. You know, that's funny, that's hilarious, because they're, he's like, oh yeah, I've smelled that before. We're just blowing it up. Yeah. Good one, good one? Yeah, that movie. Yeah, I didn't catch that, but yeah, it was probably just fart. Yeah, they brought they brought it up in that and like, there's moments and that, that they say, the, what? Wowed, off-the-wall shit in that. Just like, caught me off guard.

1:41:03 And I was, I was dying laughing. Oh man, but I mean, I was like, man that's that's that's a pretty simple explanation to that. I feel like Don't know. You know, it's funny as I wonder if researchers that write books and even hunt for the skinwalker in that book came across the same conclusion because it is so briefly talked about in every book like it happened in a short period, right? And then it was there and it was gone and that was this Gone With the Wind after the most Aggressive pot of chili that everyone had ever eaten. A ominous smell wafted through the trailer. You don't say, I want to claimed ownership because indeed, whoever smelt it had dealt it.

1:42:02 Oh, that's a good theory problem. Solved that mystery of Skinwalker Ranch the longer mystery. Yep. The only only the people who are downwind of Terry Sherman smelled. That smell. It's right. All right, all right, moving on, not much to talk about there. We are watching you. Quote, there's a huge black thing in the trees, just in front of us. It's moving North. This is what one of the Ned's member said as a team was staked out, one night in response to viewing. A large creature through the night vision goggles, aloof the men and dog stood up and gazed at the tree line.

1:42:50 The researcher is pointing at the investigator who spotted the creature continue to point out, that, whatever it was it was huge and that he couldn't tell if it was in front Behind or in the tree line but whatever it was it was blocking out the stars as it walked. When the same man seemed to stop moving completely and said in a calm voice quote we are watching you. Then whenever it was the man continued to say that it was shrinking and that it was gone. When asked to elaborate on what he witnessed the man told the crew that whatever it was it was physical as he witnessed the stars behind it disappear and reappear as it moved and talk to him in his mind and let me know that they were watching us.

1:43:40 And when it did I literally could not stop myself from repeating beings exactly what it was saying to me bro. That's that Bigfoot. Mind speak, that's the Bigfoot - speak. That's what Carter Bush heart talks about, right? Your mind speak. Jeff. You were in that episode with us, right? Yeah, I was and yes, that's interesting. I like this. Yep. Cool. Telepathic it were you with us done? I hope not. I was long time ago. Those are good episodes, if everybody's wanting to dive into paranormal Bigfoot stuff, you know, the woo side of Bigfoot.

1:44:23 Check out our interviews with Carter Bush heart, who is a Quantum Bigfoot researcher? He's done work with Ron Morehead done, some really good stuff. Has to awesome book. out books that he personally filled with photos taken from his own investigation, stories from his investigations and stories of other other people's stories that have come to him to get his theories and and Takes on what could be possibly happened. There was one particular one about a Sasquatch.

1:45:05 What if I'm not, if I'm remembering correctly, Jake, it was a mouse, right? There's a Bigfoot mouse and a big, like bundle of sticks or something or like a bomb fire pit, right? Remember that? It was insane. Now, I don't know, I'd have to go back and listen. It was a long time ago, man learning. It could have been a couple months ago, we have so many episodes in between that it's hard to keep track you know, true true like well like we said before, a lot of this stuff man we just have to we have to dump just so we can make room for the next thing. All right, let's move on. Anybody else have anything to say before we move on to the next bit?

1:45:53 Nope. Okay, let's talk about this smudge again. On the night of August 25th, 1997 to scientists would Bigelow's need steam were six hours into a Stakeout on one of the observation decks. When one of the team members notice in orange, glow out in the distance, what they originally thought to be reflection of some sort slowly grew in the two men, the two man team became much more interested in the anomaly. Once the orange light grew to about a foot wide, one of the Researchers handed the other. The only pair of night-vision goggles amongst the two and quickly began setting up a time-lapse shutter camera to attempt to get the orange light on film. Now, I want to make a correction here, it was, they were not goggles, they were binoculars, just wanted to correct that. As one investigator was setting up the camera. The other man yelled something is in the tunnel. The tunnel began to grow even larger in the man, with the binoculars begin to Drive a large dark, no faced bipedal creature climbing out of the light, the same man would later describe that.

1:47:05 While looking through the night vision, binoculars, the orange light seemed to look more like a three-dimensional tunnel. The other man could not see the creature coming out of the light and never saw a tunnel without the binoculars that the other was using. But he was able to witness the light growing to the size of about 2 feet. In diameter before beginning to shrink back to nothing. The investigator with the binoculars described a roughly six foot four hundred pound all black creature with a distinguishable face while without a distinguishable face standing in front of the tunnel. It crawled out before walking off and eluding, the researchers, the rest of the night. Unfortunately, for the team, all of the equipment around the ranch failed to capture anything abnormal, it camera set to take a photo every 30 seconds in that general direction as well as measurement tools used for capturing data on, x-rays gamma rays beta rays and infrared lighting. All failed to capture evidence of the two investigators claims. The only physical evidence from that night, is a single photo that shows what seems to be a very faint light source. The picture was taken with a 90-second shutter from the camera used by the man that was not used in the binoculars at A later date, the needs team would have another strange event, and with another orange portal this time, the team would be hot on the trail of the bigfoot-like

1:48:37 creature on the outskirts of the ranch, just as a team, felt like they had the creature corner and we're on the verge of making a gigantic Discovery. One of these orange portals appeared in the bipedal creature walkthrough before, collapsing, on itself and disappearing. Unlike in previous episode, or in the previous episode, I've included. Another story of an orange smudge showing up in other parts of world. You guys are going to love this one, because we talked about this briefly in another episode. This event is much more famous than the one from the last episode about a small-time farmer. In Wisconsin, this time, we are heading to Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana, where a 1975 in orange light was seen over. The base is heavily, guarded, nuclear missile, silos.

1:49:19 A group of fighter jets were dispatched in the bright, orange, light raised higher, into the sky until is no longer visible. Then the event was over the nuclear codes are I'm sorry. When the event was over the nuclear codes for the missiles and the silos were change and within a few weeks for other nuclear bases along the u.s. and Canadian border which suffer the similar events. This event at Malmstrom Air Force Base has been verified via the Freedom of Information Act and on a public Congressional hearing on UFOs and you APS and May 17th of 2022. Good tie-in. Right, love it. And we just talked about that during that damn Congressional hearing. We had a special where we talked about it because it was brought up in that Congress Channel, hearing the, the public one. At least I'm sure it was brought on by 12 where they had talked about this particular thing.

1:50:19 And the people who were being questioned by Congress about it didn't know anything about it. So I did like they had no idea like what never heard of that before their eyes. Really it's verified via Freedom of Information Act. The biggest event ever happened on us soil or, you know, documented on us soil, via UFO or you AP or whatever the fuck you want to call them. You know nothing. Come on Chuckles. Yeah, bullshit, just say, we'll talk about it in the privately story. I don't think they do but I was talking about portals man they were you know They. Yeah.

1:50:59 So there you go man. Maybe they really are some, their opening portals man. I mean, dude, it's the whole reason we even can conceive that idea. I feel like it's just my belief, right? Is because there's some reason that thought exists, like we must have experienced something along the way that has embedded itself, so that we can come up with something, right? So just like an idea of portals, you see the Using games all the time, right? Where Portal opens and some beings come out that you've never some aliens come through, right? It's like, where does that idea come from? And it's like, well, maybe it comes from the fact that these things have always been around.

1:51:43 And you know we're just constantly single, we just now got the internet. We just you know it really if you look at the grand scheme of humanity we just now got like radio You know, so and podcasts podcasts, you know, but even if you go back a couple hundred years, you know, you got nothing. So this could have been happening forever and we're just now talking about like you know, this is portals of these invisible dog like creature beings that come through and eat shit. Yeah, the anuses out of care. How terrifying is that dude? What if they're just probing, what if they're just probing like See where we're at this. Try to see which things like things, shoved up their asshole and what doesn't?

1:52:29 And once every twenty seven thousand years, right? Like the just the portals open everywhere and it's just armies of invisible, dog men. Yep, cows great own. I mean they like it dogs don't really care for people or whatever Some Like It some don't Bears don't like it. All right, let's move on ready? Yep. Hyena or uh Nina in July of 1999, Terry, and Gwen Sherman. We're heading back onto the ranch when they noticed that their horses were running scared and causing a dust cloud to form. In one of the Corrals as the Sherman's approach, they saw a reddish brown fur, covered animal running on all fours, hurting and nipping at the horses Terry was pissed because what he It was just a dog, having fun was not funded a horses.

1:53:28 But as they got even closer when commented that she didn't think that was a dog. And she was right, what the Sherman's described to have seen that day was a very large and muscular hyena, like animal with a rather Fox, like fluffy tail. It was very clear to the Sherman's that this was no house dog, fox coyote or wolf and that they were fairly certain. This was not a hyena either but that is exactly what they said it best resembled. Old very Loosely as they approach the animal as they approach the animal quickly ran away. But left both of his horses bloody on their Hawks as a side note, in addition to the siding of a hyena, like animal, there were a few other sightings of such an animal post, 1999 in the area.

1:54:13 In one case, the witness was an employee of the ranch and in another, it was a resident of the area, a few miles away. Another creature that we have talked about on this show in this region of the u.s. is the Shuka work in which we talked about for a little bit in the Beast of Bray Road episode or series. Actually, the Shuka work in is thought to have been a known prehistoric relative of the hyena. Typically refer to as a ring doukas that was black or dark brown color, High, shoulders, the back the slope down to its hind quarters. The creatures name to the ioa natives shoot? I work in means, carrying off dogs.

1:54:53 There have been stories all around the northern midwest states of creatures, matching the descriptions of the ring doukas in the bat, and the book cryptozoology. A, to Z by Loren Coleman and Jerome Clark, they reference a cryptozoologist by the name of Mark, a hall that has documented, sightings of a quote mean-looking, near wolf-like and hyena, like animals from Alberta, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois. There is even a mouse, Outed Taxidermy re doukas in existence and currently at the Madison Valley, History Museum and is owned by the Idaho Museum of Natural History. And I should have taken a cast of that footprint. That's why she's smart if it looks awesome. But you know what?

1:55:43 The sounds like, this sounds like the show where the alpaca got attacked. Oh yeah. When that be interesting. Just like monks all the other stuff going on here. They also have at least one. Possibly non extinct Cryptid that's running around in that area. Yeah it's like not saying that those two things couldn't happen at the same time but that is that is pretty cool because. Yeah absolutely sounds like they saw this thing which is new enough to the extinction list that there's taxidermied remains and stuff which could lead that there could be a few of them. Right.

1:56:27 Right. So that's that's pretty cool. Plus that area D does seem very Remote. I was like looking at the terrain and stuff. I was like, I mean, it's like perfect. Well when you think of mesas right or basins, such as the Uintah Basin, the cave systems, is something that is referenced quite a bit. You have to believe that there are tons of them throughout that area. I mean, the ring doukas was, I believe that the one that is in Idaho on display was shot in Illinois. I could be wrong about that but this was a creature that was said to have been living around the area as recent as during the Native American, you know times before, right?

1:57:15 But what Eastern world came over. So I mean, could could they have one of these ring doukas has or should go work in run around Skinwalker Ranch or around the area? I think they could. For sure. That's awesome. That's really cool. Yeah, that's the first thing I truly by, in this whole thing probably just like, yeah, that makes sense. Are you guys ready to move them? I am. Yeah, we know, Jeff is. All right, moving on. What about the locals? The needs team had many goals when it came to the ranch.

1:57:57 One of those was the document historical and recent sightings from the locals, the local youths and non-native residents of the Basin came forward with many stories of multiple colored balls, light cattle. Mutilations In a particular triangular craft in one particular story outlined in the book. Hunt for the skinwalker Kelleher. An app tell of mr. Gonzalez, and the time he found, one of his cows laying on the ground, with two broken legs in a field that she should not have been, he left her to go home and get a blanket to cover in. And on his way out, he checked to see how she could have gotten out of the pasture. There were no broken or bent fence And all of the other animals were accounted for inside the gates. As you return, five minutes later to the spot, he had left her, she was gone later that evening. He happened to look out his window to see the cow 50 yards away from her original position, this time when he approached sure, he saw that all four legs were now snapped mr. Gonzalez, made the decision to put her out of her misery, but the question of what happened to her? Still bothers him.

1:59:06 Another story highlighted by Kelleher, nap. Dean dear Hawk. Or Derek was visiting his uncle's house that board Skinwalker Ranch in 1980, when he witnessed his silver sphere sitting on the ground Dean claims that the sphere was 30 to 40 feet wide and resembled an upside-down Bowl, most stories from the people in and around the Yuan to Basin and with just a sighting of something, they cannot explain. Unfortunately, to go over all the stories in the strangeness is that happen outside of Skinwalker Ranch, but still within the Unknown, this do you into Basin would take far too long, but one thing is for certain the needs team easily came to the conclusion that the ranch did not hold a magical invisible border, where strangeness in the unknown. Stop the entire Basin was the home to a plethora of uncanny activity.

2:00:04 Sweet. I do have one last section. Let me just go ahead and finish it up real quick. Yeah, sure. Tie. This bow. By the end, there was not much to show for the research. The team had built many, small observation, buildings and dog. Housings, the team learned that the dogs were the best alarm for anything about to happen. And the team felt like there was so much left to uncover about the mysteries of Skinwalker Ranch. On top of all, we talked about today and in the past few episodes, there were some instances that we did not talk about during this period instances such as items going missing within seconds to someone Again down a 2,500-pound ditch digger was lost and found of a tree damage to the inside of buildings that were locked strange, lights in the middle of rainstorms. And another magnetic anomaly which seemed to be emanating from Gwen Sherman until she exited the trailer and it disappeared, and as well, a one, small Red, Orb, that attacked cows horses.

2:01:09 And the Sherman's, son, Skinwalker Ranch was not the only place under the investigation of the mids team. The summer of 1997, the needs team split their time between the terms Ranch and the area known around Dulce, New Mexico. But more on that, in another episode of the infinite Rabbit Hole, Robert Bigelow pulled the plug on the mids research team in 2004 the grants from the government for research dried up and we're never renewed. There you go. That's a big clue right there. At least for me and I'm sure for Jeffrey and for Jake for Wes and forget money was no longer flowing in for Bigelow and he simply lost interest in the ranch, but that wasn't the end for Robert Bigelow.

2:01:54 In fact, Immediately after shutting down of research on Skinwalker Ranch, Bigelow Aerospace began to really blow up. A contract with NASA was one for the creation of special modules for the International Space Station. Another interesting contract, the Bigelow was awarded, was for a part of the pentagon's UFO study known as the advanced Aviation threat initiative. AKA a vti in 2007, this program was classified top secret, till December 2017 and was founded to have a Budget, 22 million dollars between 2007 and 2012 for Bigelow Aerospace for their contributions. The end.

2:02:50 Mmm, good. What about what about the closets with the double locks? That was from three Sherman's. That was from before this restaurant answers. Yeah, yeah. There's a there's still a lot that I want to know. I would I would like to just go let's just go. Yeah. Yeah well you say can't but you know we're Sovereign citizens. Let's just go right. What's the problem? Sure. Fuck it. Let's do it. I mean they stormed Area 51, right? We could do this.

2:03:33 Did they run by a private person just trespassing? You know, just let them know. Be like listen, hey man, we're doing a podcast. We want to come to research team. We're going to come, stay like three nights, four nights hour. We're going to camp out on the ranch. What's up? Yeah, fuck it. Go ahead. You do, do the reaching out and I'll take the time off work. All right. It's not. I would love to we'll see you would be really cool. You'll be surprised really cool. I had Tommy Chong on my podcast. Don't test me bro. I'll get in touch and he was supposed to get Tommy Chong for our podcast to you, but he doesn't love us. I gave you the foot are there more sections to this this series?

2:04:23 Just the theories behind Skinwalker Ranch and are Thoughts and opinions, honestly. I mean we could talk about thoughts and opinions right now but without going through all the theories because there is a fuck ton of them, that's a two-hour conversation B. Yeah, right. So just making sure, yeah, don't worry. There's there's more to go through that. This is, this is about it, story-based wise, like I said, in the first episode, I'm not really going to dive into the current stuff because that current stuff is all on the History Channel. You know, if you want to go And I've been to the History Channel and learn about the current stuff that's going on right now as we speak.

2:05:05 That's the place to go. We can't do it better than it go. See them fake it. Yeah. Currently I'm on board with Jeff for the most part. Like I think he and I are driving through, he's dealings, bro, he made the parallel for me of, you know, getting away from interdimensional beings into something and More in my wheelhouse and, you know, made those bridges in the thought process. And I'm like, yep, yeah, probably now why is there so much? You know of this magnetic anomaly or this, you know, radioactive these are radioactive knowledge. Or whatever it is.

2:05:48 Why is this a hot spot for it? No clue II. Don't know if I buy into the whole ley-lines thing, you should know that doesn't mean that I can't be wrong, right? But I just don't, you know, I haven't looked into it enough to have a good opinion, formulated about it. But definitely seems to be a high amount of craziness. Is going on whether that is psyop related or just, you know, it's a big old, expansive, nothing out there except for some ranches and stuff. So not the worst place in the world to conduct, you know, militaristic drills.

2:06:37 You know, maybe there's Increased seismic activity right there, but not in the form of earthquakes and stuff. But more in the form of radiation coming up from, you know, the bowels of the earth, maybe there's a frickin tunnel to the inner earth, right there. The the hollow Earth for Jeff, you know, I don't know. But certainly I believe that some of its going on. Yeah. Right. There's Mel's home and I believe that there's some of it going on, but I think that there's very a very high dosage or at least a sprinkling of Bologna, just inside of their mixed in with the stories and the, you know, not including the research teams, right?

2:07:22 The research teams are doing their science and everything else around that seems to be like, oh and then this happened, but there was Zero evidence of it, the stuff, you know, the, the literally the first time this biologist has ever seen a footprint like this. His life. But we didn't take a cast because I don't know, we just you know it's just like it's there's some definitely some like all right this is this is made up or this is flubbed or this is, you know, really was that red flags. Yeah. Red flags, you know? Or it was just like, you know, obvious either, I don't want to say it was like things were looked over, but maybe things were concealed We'll see. Does anybody else have anything to say before we sign off? But I got a lot of theories, but I'll save it for the next one. Yeah, I've got, I've got a couple ideas but I want to hear the next episode first copy that. All right.

2:08:31 Well, I have one thing I mean I'll have more of a an opinion I guess more to say at the end. But I mean so far from what everything's happening and from what we know today so far still, you know, there's a lot that we don't understand and I don't know, I don't necessarily buy that this is demons or anything, but the whole Multiverse Theory, you know, or you know, visitors From Another Dimension. I don't know. It's just, it's just crazy, but from everything, Terry Sherman had told that Ned's about, you know, what had happened prior to them arriving. And then a lot of that similar things happening afterwards. Being witnessed by them, I think is pretty pretty cool. Something definitely that, you know, been happening on that ranch and I can't wait to really flesh out what I think about that but you know it's pretty cool so far I didn't next episode is gonna be a blast just being honest with you. I got a lot me too.

2:09:46 I will go ahead and just point my side at least and say that I do believe that there's something strange going on. Is it paranormal? I don't know. I'll hold that opinion for later, but I don't believe that this is all 100% people just fucking around and and bullshitting. And but not saying that it doesn't happen, okay? Definitely some. Some of the things that we talked about tonight, we're in during the last episode, probably did not really happen. But there's so much here and so much more that there's got to be something with that. Being said, if you made it all the way to the end of this episode, I do want to go ahead and throw out a couple ideas for some future episodes.

2:10:40 If you liked what we talked about today in or today and in the last episode about Skinwalker Ranch, you want to hear more stories from other people other than Terry Sherman. And It's team. Some of those Fringe stories that aren't really talked about a lot. Let me know. Okay, leave a comment and YouTube or shoot us an email at infinite Rabbit Hole. Gmail.com head on over to Facebook and join the infinite Rabbit Hole Facebook group. Let us know, send us a message. Make a post, do what you got to do, to let us know you want this. Because I have a couple books of other stories and there is a whole series 10 part series of books, from one particular person who claims to have snuck onto the ranch enough times to write Ten fucking books.

2:11:39 So it's easy, then let's go. That's the same as doing a shot. Ya know. I don't Dragon to come after me. Oh, dragon from I was so high. I literally wrote the high so hard. I fell over. We went near only says, every single time they call for Dragon over the radio. I'm like I know it makes this argument extremely difficult man. He's dressed in all black, you know, they're out in the fuck. Out there in the middle of the day.

2:12:19 It doesn't matter what the temperature is, is in all black. I'm like, oh my God, I wearing a legislated for a shotgun out of here just carrying it around like a dork. Yeah. Anyways, this has been another episode of the infer Rebel podcast, make sure you hit us up. Don't forget that we have an entire audio catalog for you to check out. This is the first episode of our third year of doing this podcast. So there's plenty for you to check out head on over to ensure a rabbit hole.com. Check out our merch shop who Jake puts a lot of work in there. And if you like that its probe in time T-shirt, This is the only place you can get it because Jake made that in paint. It's right.

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