Skinwalker Ranch Part 3

0:01 Yeah, this is the Fresno Nightcrawler. I've been listening to your guys's show for quite some time and I got to say me and my two friends feel horribly misrepresented by your podcast. Let's start with the obvious. One saying that a Fresno nightcrawlers. Fake is just ridiculous. We are totally not fake. So I just wanted to throw that out there that we hate your show. This show sucks. Anyway, keep up with whatever it is that this show does besides being wrong because the Fresno nightcrawlers, real, we exist and we matter Bye. Welcome back to the infinite Rabbit Hole. I'm your host Jeremy.

1:31 Today, we're going to dive into the conclusion of our presentation on Skinwalker Ranch. Today's gonna be a good one. We are going to dive into some of the theories behind what's actually going on. And we're going to get into our feels about the subject ourselves. This can be a lot of conversations tonight. And of course, Jeff will probably try to convince us that it's all the government.

2:26 Without further Ado, let's go ahead and invite Shadow band. Podcasts own Jeffrey. Fernandez, Jeffrey. How are you doing today? Thank you very much, Jeremy. It is, I Jeffrey. Space is fake, Fernandez, quite well, thank you. How are you, sir? Oh man, I've had better days. They are, we are getting our bathroom torn up. I don't even want to talk about. This is a happy place right now. We're gonna be happy. Happy happy joy joy. So are you ready, man? I'm ready dude. I think you're gonna You're Gonna Shine today. I think everybody knows what I'm going to say today, but I'll say though, anyways, just for everybody's pleasure later. Alright, let's go ahead and bring in the child of the group. Sausage nipple.

3:18 Jake. What's up dude? Red flag, red flag. Okay. Hey Jake. Let's see. We'll see them nips, man. Look at the nips. I shouldn't have gotten the red shirt. It just takes away from how glorious these big giant Pink pepperoni nipples are but here they are. There's them nipples. Good old thumbs up, smile little thumbs up, thumbs up smile Neville's. It's like one thumbs up and two nipples down. That's right, that's not it's not the greatest shirt.

4:04 Doing all right man. Yeah, yeah. I'm ready to get into this. I right before this. I was watching the hunt for the skinwalker and I've got I didn't finish it. I got almost halfway through. I got a couple interesting tidbits that I want to bring up that actually somewhat changed my opinion on the events of the ranch. So when we get into it, I'll I'll pop those out. So, that would be really cool, cool. Well, let's move on. Two. What's Due West will save will save ladies for last today. Wesley believes in space king. How are you doing today? But I'm doing great.

4:45 How are you doing doing good? You ready to dive into what we believe is going on here? Absolutely. Have you go Vin to Skinwalker Ranch, son. / recording. Yeah, I actually was watching the same documentary that Jake was. I didn't get quite all the way through it that much of stuff going on this weekend but I'm ready to hear everyone's opinions on everything. So the, the documentary that Jake's talking about everybody is basically the brother or The Sibling to the book rights by the same people, George Knapp, and, and call Mikela her. And basically it is, I don't know exactly if it's a follow-up to the book or it came out the same time, but there is some additional information. I have watched about 10 minutes of it and I was like, I can't do this.

5:35 I already have my script can't do this right now. So at some point, when we all get through the documentary man will come back and revisit the topic and we'll talk about the stuff that's in there that Jake's not gonna be able to get to today because the only halfway through, all right, moving on kid. How are you today? Fantastic. I was almost a little offended, almost a little offended, but we're cool. It's okay. Thought I called you a child. Yeah, I made it look like one but then, come on. Jump into conclusions together. I mean, I am the kid.

6:18 After all, you are the kid but you're not the child. Yeah, that's awesome at once on me already. So you blame me, I guess. Not. I guess not. All right. Have you dove into Skinwalker Ranch since last time we do? I was about neck. Deep in my research project this weekend. So true I think we're doing it next week, right? Sure. Oh, wait, no, possibly. And possibly not, I might have a guest. I still have to confirm that they're that they're still coming but we'll talk about that when we get there. Gonna throw ins are right in the trash and grab some Rando. That's so before we get into my script for the night doesn't Anybody have anything to build on from the last couple episodes.

7:09 I'm good. But well, let's dive into some of the cool stuff that I found. Now, the format for today is going to be Slightly different than what we normally do for the back end of episodes because there's so many different theories out there about Skinwalker Ranch. Basically, what we're going to do is we're going to or I will read off a theory, a popular Theory, talk about a little bit and then we will discuss before we move on to the next Theory, everyone understand. Could go Gloria store and then at the end, if I fail to hit on a theory that one of you guys have heard or what are you guys believe?

7:59 Feel free to bring it up then and then afterwards, we'll talk about our true feels and we'll get all emotional and probably have to cry. No, I'm just kidding. Will be good. Alright, let's jump in and let's start the night off with the top of the page because I'm at the bottom, the media Frenzy. Z. So when Terry Sherman decided to go public in 1996 about what was happening on his Ranch, his decision, landed on relying are relaying the details to a reporter by the name of Zach. Van Eck of the Deseret News this newspaper that Terry decided to confide in was Utah. Second largest newspaper at the time. This of course, would Propel what seemed to be an outrageous story Into the Associated Press.

8:49 And eventually around the country newspapers and radio stations from every corner of the u.s. reported on the now known UFO, hotspot, that was the Sherman Ranch? Terry's reasoning for telling his property story was to ensure that if this was a military or black ops entity may be the publicity would force them to move somewhere else. Another thing he wanted out of going public was help from anyone who may have answers about the activity he and His wife had been witnessing. This would ultimately bring upon the arrival of Robert Bigelow in the mids team. And with the arrival of Ned's rumors about what was really happening on the ranch began to run rampant throughout the local area. One such rumor, was that a scientific team was brought in to investigate the reptilian aliens that were discovered on the Sherman Ranch and in one large National scientific magazine and article was published spreading false rumors that the Nevada Military base known as Area. 51 was moving to a remote location in northeastern Utah and that the needs team at the Sherman Ranch was really there to make preparations for the shift in 2002, George Knapp was given permission and completed two articles for publication about the happenings on Skinwalker Ranch and the involvement of the needs team.

10:10 The two-part article titled path of the skinwalker was published back was published in back-to-back issues of the Las. Review-Journal Nevada's largest newspaper at the time. This once again propelled the topic of Skinwalker Ranch into the Limelight of the country and the rest of the world. The Articles would end up being reprinted in England. Brazil, France, and Portugal, and would also cause an influx of spin-off, articles to be written in various other forms of media, such as magazines, radio shows and private online chat rooms. This was the most dangerous thing that happens at a ranch. One particular chat room began spreading rumors about the needs team and their board members saying that they were a part of a secret cabal known as the Aviary. The sole task and duty of this secret cabal was to count was to control the information about the extraterrestrials on Earth, but the rumors wouldn't stop there. Another round of scuttlebutt arose that the needs team had made contact with a Spaceman and that they were now. Actively experimenting with genetic engineering, as a way to explain uptick in cattle mutilations in the area. And the really scary thing is that some well-known news outlets begin to report on these ideas in a way that caused many people to believe that what they were reporting was factual information about the Rants and about the ranch and the needs investigations.

11:37 Throughout all of the beatings, the ranch and the knids investigative team would take by the media. The ranch did become extremely famous, in many circles. The needs team suffered a long almost year-long drought, which they easily pointed the finger at the waves of amateur researchers and quote-unquote, professional reporters that showed up on and around the ranch to do a little bit of research for themselves. But as months went by and the huge influx of new Strange visitors to the ranch and the Basin receded activity. Once again, began the spring up on, Skinwalker Ranch. But the argument that many people make about Skinwalker Ranch is that most of or all of the stories coming from the ranch are just that stories.

12:22 A decent amount of people do believe that the lore behind the ranch is no more than publicity brought on by rampantly spreading and growing false narratives spun by Terry Sherman, himself. Others blame George Knapp and his articles while Oh some more recent disbelievers. Think that the influx in books magazines TV shows and podcasts on the subject. Do a disservice to the Paranormal Community for even reporting on such an outlandish topic. So what do you guys think? Do you think that the media And entertainment business might be to blame for the popularity and the happenings at Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, dude, 100%.

13:05 I mean we're doing it right now, right? But for sure things like the Discovery Channel or the History Channel or whatever channel right like that. It's going to bring a lot of attention to. This is a the problem that I have with a lot of different things, right? People might call A lot of them conspiracies. But when you're talking about things like Ancient Aliens or You know, like lost history or anything like that. It goes through this mainstream filter and becomes some weird diluted version of what it really is. And I feel like a lot of the stories that we could probably find about Skinwalker Ranch are just people kind of even if they believe it.

13:46 Like, they're, they're experiencing something through that filter that they've already been fed through the media Wes. What do you think van? Do you think that the The media and US podcasters or the reason why this thing has blown up so much. Oh, for sure. I mean, even back in in the 90s, there had, to have been, you know, rumors and stuff. You know, all throughout the town, you know, the closest town to them and I'm sure even back, then it probably Traver traveled way further than just their, you know, the city they lived outside of. And I'm now or from then till now you know, media's reach and growth has been exponential. So with that things like this, that really capture people's imagination are just blown up constantly and just never going to stop.

14:48 Now, we'll go to Kidd, Kidd, do you think that the media may actually Be the reason why these things are happening not necessarily why it's so popular, but do you believe that maybe? No. Okay, no. My But as you were asking that question, I just thought back to the owners before the Sherman's, there wasn't a whole lot on their story but their entire house closets Windows Doors inside and outside. All dead-bolted.

15:30 So there I don't think media had much involvement as to what was going on, but it is like a game of telephone So the moment, the media got involved, things be probably became embellished and blew up and media. In my opinion, is the reason Skinwalker Ranch is so popular and so well-known. But it's not the reason things were happening though. It's not the reason things started happening or kept happening. There was something going on beforehand. Jake, what do you think about this layer that the media ads, 100%?

16:11 I think it has to do with it. So I'm watching this documentary by George Knapp. And what's interesting to me is that I'm also watching the show right the skinwalker show. It's like three seasons or whatever, both of them are on Hulu and in the show they're constantly they're seeing UFOs. They're doing with like they're getting all their readings, their radiation exposure, all the sort of stuff, right? And George Knapp says, within the first 30 minutes of his of his Whatchamacallit his documentary that the legend is that when new people come on the ranch, there's an increase in activity and he said right off the bat while I was there, I experienced zero paranormal or otherworldly type events.

17:00 It just didn't happen. Although he was able to interview people all over the town that had seen stuff and had experiences and he's able to interview people from the original needs team. They one of them even makes a presence. The the TV show as well and I have to wonder what the motivation is right? Because I agree with what Jeff said that you know you have an already send Stone bias, you might see things through that lens of that bias, but then when it comes into like the TV show, right? I'm sitting here watching it, I just got into season two and I mean they have seen all kinds of stuff, but how much of it is actually real and how much of it is edited. And the reason why I ask that is because what's the motivation is the History Channel paying the owner of the ranch now? To be there to shoot the show.

17:54 Is there a motivation money-wise to get as many seasons out of it and in which case increase on the flare in the pizzazz because no one wants to see a show where literally nothing happens, right? It would last maybe a season and then it would be, you know, torn apart so is any of this stuff, you know, flubbed, you know, and whatever. But it's like even like they're showing the UFO. It's a bright light in the sky and they're showing it and then What would have been originally? The stillest camera in the world. It's on a tripod, it's panning around. You see these people. And then when it's focused on this UFO, it's just going like this, the whole time, it just shaking around, and then there's this point where this UFO is. And they keep saying it shows up in the exact same spot, and it doesn't move.

18:41 And then the camera goes like this, it whips down real quick and they're like, there it goes. And then immediately, afterwards, I say, oh it's back. It's right there, it's in the exact same spot, so it didn't move at all. But the camera jerks really quick, just make it appear that it just shoots out of the screen when reality nothing actually happened. So did that was that thing even existing? Did they send something up into the atmosphere like that weather balloon in the first season 2 with reflective lining on it, to make it look like something is out there reflecting the sun, like a UFO. How much of this thing is actually real people have their own stories and experiences and all sorts of stuff. But I think when it comes to adding media, Into that and money and contracts, and all kinds of stuff.

19:24 The level of craziness goes right through the roof. So, when you get, you get out of this level of, this is a place where weird stuff happens all the time, too. Well, I don't know if any of this is actually happening at all. Like, any of this is actually real because if there's money involved, there has extreme motivation to start just goofing off and doing whatever to make contents. Right. So like I said that there's there's things from the documentary that have changed my opinion on what's going on. But it's still hard for me to grasp, you know, what's actually happening versus what's being made up or what's being exaggerated due to the media's presence and the, you know, extreme, you know levels of interests that are included now.

20:20 So here's my problem. I'll just kind of take a side note here to talk about the TV show. My problem with the TV show is that the Sherman's owned the property from 94 to 96, right? 94, 95, and 96 roughly, three years. And what we get is a couple books off of it, but still the happenings kind of come in these Pockets, like there are vast. Amount of time like up to a year where there's just nothing. There's there's gaps of months and weeks of just nothing but you show up to this television show on History Channel and every episode something's happening. As if it's just conveniently happening every week or every day, I think, I think that they're only there for about a month out of the entire year, for every season, could be wrong with that.

21:18 But I know it's a A limited amount of time. And within that limit amount of time, you have more stuff happen than, you know, what would happen in a year for the Sherman's. All right? And that's that's where I find it. Find it hard to believe that the the TV show is as legitimate as it claims to be not necessarily just because of the money factor because that does add a layer to the bullshitter e, obviously. But I just find Believe that something's happening so much. Especially when the the owners after Bigelow took over, it dived, way down didn't disappear, it still happened, but it almost almost went nil. That's my two cents and it does anybody else have anything to add before I move on to the next one? I would say.

22:13 Jake has definitely hit on the head, I mean, but I don't think that's necessarily the ranch that's in it for the money, the media, whoever it is, they're going to make their own money. And I think that's really what's pushing it. Probably more than anything nowadays but yeah, and I have to agree. Definitely agree with you. Jeremy with a, you know, the things ramp it up at all. When there's a TV show being filmed there, you know, when there's been however many amount of time, between whatever events phenomena, whatever you want to call it, I mean it's everything's dramatized because people people love drama.

22:58 Yes. So that's going to be that's going to literally be in anything you see on TV. It doesn't matter if it's History Channel HBO or, you know, even pick your favorite News Channel, you know, things are going to be ramped up a bit because that's what draws people in tell you what, though, as much as I look at, like, the TV show versus the, I mean, I didn't read the book, but Jeremy went pretty thoroughly through it. West went thoroughly through it. I'll tell you. There are some parts that have really bothered me like as far as like freaked me, right? The heck out. Like, last night, I went to bed, right?

23:38 After watching, I think it was season 2 episode 2. And basically what happened was they were doing this, they had this Jewish guy or a rabbi that was doing a bunch of prayers and stuff at night and they had the homestead to focused on with what was it, like a heat lens or whatever on the camera. You know, and you see the entire house and everything around this house, but pretty much like you know, was it bright or dark red is or light. Red is the hottest and purple and black are the coldest and you see the trees and the surrounding area and it's all relative.

24:19 So it's like, you know, the temperatures may be just so, but my hand would probably be red and then everything expanding outward from my hand would get darker and darker and darker. Sure because it would be you know less hot right than my body temperature so it's all relative to each other as far as I know. But basically the trees and the surrounding area, the rest of the house was red because it was warmer than the focal point, which was the doorway. And it was just deep oil. Slick black with purple around it like an eyeball or if you could imagine it a being standing in that doorway and Even as they're approaching the house, everyone goes running over there to go investigate and see, you know why this is doing.

25:07 This is the is the equipment messing up or whatever. You can see their read images. Their silhouettes of these four individuals running towards this point. And you can see them, all right here, and they go in there. They say it's like, you know, 20, 30 degrees colder, it's like it's crazy cold stuff. That one creeped me, right? The heck out. And then I had to go to bed afterwards and it kept me awake for like, Like 45 minutes where I'm just like, something's gonna jump out at me, you know, like there are some points where I don't entirely disbelieve that there's craziness going on in that ranch but again it's hard for me to know what is real and what's going on and then what what is fake and made up or at least exaggerated?

25:53 Because I mean just the simple fact of if you guys have seen any movies in the last couple years, Is most of what you're seeing is CGI. Like these people are. It's the actors in front of green screens. Like everything is CGI with the exception of like the Top Gun movie, where they're actually flying in Jets, like everything is CGI now. So even if it looks so real, you could look up the behind the scenes and stuff and it's all like, you know, there's no buildings back there, it's all a green screen. It's nuts. So really, we've come into this area where, you know, Patterson gimlin Bigfoot film from, you know, the 60s or 70s whenever that one was shot is just like, you know, 67.

26:41 I think it's just like, you know, it's not that anymore. Where that's an actual River. That's an actual surrounding area, you know, we can dispute whether or not the Is actually real, but everything else around it is real nowadays, you'd see a video like that and literally nothing could be real. It could all be CGI, it could all be made on a computer and, you know, and there we go. So I can't I have the hardest time seeing that stuff and being like, this is actually happening. Because as far as I know the scientist right there could just be getting paid to pretend like there's a UFO right there and they could just have a spot, you know, in editing that they put inside the, you know, Whatever. It's like it's rough. It's hard to know, you know.

27:24 Yeah. Kinda to add onto that to like you were saying, they're only there for like maybe a month, I don't know the exact time frame but I know it's limited time. Okay. So it's a short period of time. I have a hard time believing that in this month, two months time span that that's just it's like that's the season for things to happen. I don't I don't think that's happening. I don't think it's that frequent. It's very, I think it's more sporadic. So for all we know like Jay said they're just exaggerating a bunch of things and embellishing a bunch of stuff and they're only getting maybe two episodes worth of footage of two months, three months Expedition.

28:14 So yeah. No. I'm I'm having a hard time that believing that Media. Is telling the truth about Skinwalker Ranch, but it's definitely, it's definitely pulling attention to Skinwalker Ranch, which is usually the point of what of media to pull attention of something. All right, we go think move on. Yeah, I'm satisfied. All right. It gets fun from here. I think this is. This one's for old Jeffery military psyop. It is no surprise that many believe that Skinwalker Ranch in the Uintah Basin, lay home to a playground for experiments of top-secret military weaponry, gear and techniques aircraft that defy physics cloaked figures, stealthy, lights and crafts. Gateways into other dimensions, Chimera like creatures and highly lifelike, holographic displays, this explanation goes back to the original owners of the ranch before the The Myers family were the owners of Skinwalker Ranch this well-documented hotspot for all things paranormal and Supernatural seem to not be an issue for the Myers family. Could the Myers have signed an agreement with the US government that allowed the use of their rural property for top-secret experiments, many believe, yes.

29:41 Again, Conrad Bauer comes to play hardball by bringing up the facts that secret and public nuclear testing took place in remote areas of the region. In the world's most famous secret military facility Area. 51, settles just over the state lines in group Groom Lake Nevada. The government seems to have a soft spot for remote desert locations for their secret doings Garth Myers, who inherited the property from the original owners famously I told Terry Sherman to not dig on the property, those who are familiar with the TV show secrets of Skinwalker Ranch on the History Channel know that the current research crew members are still wary about the concept of digging on the property due to documented issues that happen when they do.

30:26 Could there be a top secret underground military facility under the property of Skinwalker Ranch nuclear bump? Bunkers were speckled all throughout the country during the years of the Cold War many of which were made into bases and bunkers and many of of those were in the remote desert areas of the West one. Common occurrence of the Sherman's famously complained about was the sound of machinery and banging coming from what they thought was under their feet Kelleher an app made a claim in their book hunt for the skinwalker that the needs team employed top-notch remote viewers from various backgrounds to view the ranch at different points. In time, knids claimed that many of these remote viewers came back saying that there was a constantly, a military presence on the And and that they were doing some very bad things there and we're primarily working out of the Southeastern portion of the ranch as a side note to this, a few of them pointed out the central Homestead as a hotspot for various degrees of strange and are evil activity and to clear that up a little bit there.

31:31 Yakov, the central Homestead is Homestead to uh-huh. So what do you think Geoffrey? Yeah man. I'm with that, dude. I mean honestly when you said gateways or portals to other dimensions, that's totally what I think is going on. And I think that because it's on a Ley line. I think you said it was on or around a Ley line, right? You have remote viewers seeing this which I fully have no problem. Believing just getting into all the You know, MKUltra and the, you know, the Gateway process stuff and project Star Gate, and all these different programs where they were using remove viewers and all kinds of stuff. So that's totally real.

32:15 Yeah man, I could totally see that. There's some probably in secret underground base. I mean, okay, so like the Montauk project. This is a perfect example. They did this project, the secret project using the Montauk chair and all this stuff at Camp hero. But Camp hero was a supposed idli an abandoned military base of the time. So if you have the country dotted with these secret underground facilities, some of them are no longer in use. Then you have some black budget program who it's not really the military, it's, you know, unknown contractors or even exactly a in entity higher than, right. Correct. And they're down, they're probably doing some kind of portals think, stranger things or something, you know. I'm with it.

33:05 So just to make a connection for those that are new to the infinite Rabbit Hole. Those that may not understand what remote viewing is. It is basically the use of correct me if I'm wrong. Scientific are psychic means of being able to view a location separate from your own by psychic means is that that's roughly correct, right? Yeah. Pretty much in the government's even done things. Like psychic assassin programs where they would use remote viewing to locate somebody like a dignitary or somebody from another country and they'd be able to pinpoint pretty much where they were on the other side of the world project start here somewhere.

33:46 Yes, exactly. Project. Star Gate was a really big one. We talk a little bit more about that. We actually, I actually am the only surviving member of that episode but we went on to another for dead and we went on to another podcast and I bring that up in my little spiel. But moving on, let's go Wes. We think, man. Hope your your meeting. So I'm an idiot. Totally Pro. Anyway, I'm with Jeff. Where this, or this Ranch is located? It's basically just like a tear between, you know, some other dimension, or maybe multiple Dimensions, who knows? I don't know, who knows, how any of that works. But you know, What leads me to believe that it's maybe multiple is just out of all the phenomenon described there is multiple that are very similar to each other. There's the giant you know wolf-like creature or the multiple wolf-like creatures, the flying orbs that were usually blue or red in color and then you had like the predator predator thing, you know and whatever was invisible to the naked eye running through the heard you know. I'm like a shark in the school of fish I don't know. There's just multiple things coming out slipping through into our world for, you know, short

35:19 periods of time and yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's it's strange because everything that has happened on the ranch. I'm going to jump a little head right now. I'm not going to give you my full view on this, but everything that's happened on the ranch can kind of be explained by some sort of military black. IT project, right? So, like West was just talking about the Predator, like, creature. That's walking through the cattle, or the ones that jumped up in front of the guy who was meditating or outside the Sherman household and got screamed at right in his face cloaking, right?

36:05 That's something that we know the government spends money on this, spend money on cloaking devices, drone Gates to other dimensions. You know, that a hot spot that has that could possibly be a thin veil between Dimensions is going to be an attractant to military or other government entities. So I mean, that's my aesthetic genetic testing, right? Thank you, squares. Exactly. As far as we know that they might be creating a creature that has the ability to cloak and so they might be literally creating skinwalkers and some secret base underground. I mean, how do we know So Jake, what do you think, man? I disagree almost entirely good.

36:49 I don't believe that the u.s. government has developed a way to cloak individuals or crafts like that - whoa if if it was possible, I wouldn't assume that every time is like a Seal Team or a ranger, whatever team Battalion, I don't know. What they call them. But every time Squad every time they are sent in to do something, like, take a high-value Target. We would have zero casualties there wouldn't be any You know, there wouldn't be any I mean can you shoot something that you can't see that just, you know, unless you just spray randomly and wildly but I think it'd be utilized, you know? I mean there's for the last two weeks we had dozens of crazy aircraft on my base.

37:48 I couldn't talk about while they're here but we had f-35s we have had f-117's you know taken off all day. Long. They were doing drills. They were shooting off Rockets into the bay, all kinds of stuff. Those things would be cloaked. We wouldn't be able to see him, you know, if they're so secretive that they're telling us we can't take pictures of them, we wouldn't be able to see them those things, right. There is no way to me that they actually have that set it to sort of Technology. Now that not saying that they're not working on it but they can't actually do that. Now, you know, the idea that there's a base underneath there R. In on my base, we can't dig in our own backyards. I live on base.

38:33 We can't dig on our own backyards. They say that anything more than six inches, and we might hit unexploded Ordnance because this base used to be utilized for bombing runs here in Southern California. It was house is right on top of it. Yeah, I mean, they're like they declare it to be savings cheap, bro. Yeah, I mean, but that would, I mean, this this base, I think came around during World War To and, you know, they used to utilize it for bombing runs and all kinds of stuff. And so to me, that would make sense with the whole radiation zones that they keep experiencing, right? I'm not saying that they were drop a nukes, you know, because that place probably wouldn't be habitable for quite some time. But that doesn't mean that there aren't other types of radioactive Weaponry, that could have been utilized or things like that, right?

39:23 And then, so, that's in itself. A A situation that for me it there could be a base. Sure. But I would see it more as like there's actually a hazard to digging. They're not a, you're going to find our secret because if there's such an issue where they're going to find a secret like that, I don't think that that area would be available to be sold. Right? Because say they find some underground concrete bunker, who cares, right? If it's so secretive that they can't dig because they might discover something that stuff isn't going to be available. Some random Joe Schmo to come across right now a rift in time or a portal I believe because I'm more focused on like this might be a increase in demonic activity.

40:09 Why it's focal or focus on this location? I don't know. But those beings in my mind are way more powerful than needing some Rift or some portal between Dimensions to travel across if they're not, if they're not bound to our physics and our way of things. He's working because they're on a different dimensional plane, then they should be able to go in between with no issues without having to rely on some government portal or some, you know, void opening up or they can just travel in between the two. So I almost entirely disagree with everything that was said right there. Jeffrey is jumping on his pants. Go ahead.

40:51 Yeah, I just think that Jake. I think you're thinking about this all wrong, man. I don't think that the government is doing this at all. I think that it's totally contractors, it's black budget stuff is not on the books. It is not. Our government is, it's probably taxpayer-funded but, you know, it's totally off the radar and and they probably they most likely do have this technology and they just haven't been offered the role. Amount of trillions for it, from any government or they are just working on it. But, you know, there's so much there and then like the portals and the demons and that, like, yeah, I totally think that you're right.

41:31 But also, that doesn't mean that we are not peering into other dimensions and other data or information or entities are coming through that might be Skinwalkers, man. How many trillions do you need? We watch our government. Print off print out money like it's toilet paper. It's like, here's some more toilet, paper saying that, just because just because of the stuff that we know about, isn't cloaked with this, type of Technology doesn't mean that it's not being utilized, the secrets, the real secrets that are happening, especially with like you know Special Forces or something like that. We do we don't know what is really going on, you know. And I'm not just saying like your Delta Force, Navy, Seals guys.

42:16 But if there's something that really has to get done with zero casualties guarantee, you they're cloaked and they're probably super soldiers and all the rest of it and we just have no idea that this Unity would exist. So I just want to point out that if you're above the government, if you're someone of these secret Black Op entities, that money probably isn't what you need. I don't need. They're using money to do what they need to do. Probably data data lesser services and data is literally the value because I believe, you know, now that I'm no longer a shill, I can say some some of my truths Thoughts here instead of she'll Jacob over here, just not believe any go, Durham, he's about to go to prison for this.

43:03 Here we go. This year? No answer. I won't go too deep into my thoughts but I don't think money has a value to these entities. I don't think that any, any value any, any quantity of money is worth anything to them. They don't use it, I mean, they want something done, they just do it. I mean, how do they get the goods? And what not yes that's when the government comes in and print off Hunting and uses it because the you know the dogs that are out there making these things or whatever, the materials used to produce this stuff needs money and like we need money to live, we're just you know eating out of the government's hands but if you're one of these Black Op institutions, they don't use money dude, there's no way. And services what they need and honestly Services isn't really been a problem and that is not even a fucking problem. I don't even think they really have a currency, they're never going to get rid of their stuff.

44:08 As for, you know, why is this this property even for sale? Well, I mean, if it depends on what they're doing, if this is a hot spot for all of this quote-unquote, paranormal, military psyop stuff, why not put somebody on top of there to make it look as average as possible? Why not sell it to the to the owners before the Sherman's and say, Hey, you know, just live your lives. What if they were part of the deal? This is why, you know, if you're going to dig on this property, you need to let them know because they're literally fed by this entity that lives right below them, whether it's there or not anymore. Because part, you know, another little spoiler for my opinion on this is that The more recent we get the the more unlikely that I believe, Skinwalker Ranch is really anything. I think that during the Sherman's and during like up to five ten years ago, I think we were dealing with some pretty cool stuff there at Skinwalker Ranch. I don't think it's completely gone but the more we dive into the History Channel show, the more or less believable, I think it is for recent and I'll be I don't think that government entities there anymore.

45:26 I think I want Ron I want to hear Ken's our thoughts and then I have a small sorry kid I'm so sorry. I have a small follow-up that case you guys have pretty much said everything that was going through my head except one thing that I latched onto I'm really stuck on these deadbolts. Okay guys why I couldn't tell you but maybe that's why kind of adding to the whole the Myers and on the whatever was going on there, maybe that's why there were V on the other side of everything was so that Government or whoever Black Op, whoever is, is doing some experimenting on the land tonight. We're going to lock you guys in the house or maybe it was given to them the to the Myers as a way to protect themselves or that.

46:17 Yeah. Like I think that's what this is. Your only like this is one way you can help protect yourself. Well let you know what we're doing stuff, like yourself in. I think that it was. It's possible that the first owners, maybe it was even something. Simple as like witness relocation like, oh, you guys, we got put you somewhere. We got this program happening over here. We'll just plant you on top of it. Build your little Rancher. You go, right? You shut the fuck up when we provide protection, exactly. And then you get multiple owners open, and people just don't know the situation. And like Jeremy said, maybe they're gone now, so I don't know. I'm with follow-ups, anybody before I move on?

46:59 No, I looked ahead. You're going to be covering this topic. That would probably be more appropriate to drop it in. So OK, Google. All right, well, let's let's move on to the next part. We dive into some Native American curses. So in the oral histories of both the Navajo and the you tribes, this is how the skinwalker is burned into reality. The two neighboring, tribes famously killed stole and fought with each other for years before Europeans ever set foot in the region. The Navajo were forced from the area of the Uintah Basin by the Utes. But before they left, they said, a curse upon the land that brought the dreaded Skinwalker to torment the Utes.

47:40 This curse is still believe heavily to this day by The Local, Natives in the region. But although the phenomenon has claimed the lives of many animals on the property, there has never been a report of a human being dying due to one of these phenomena. Yes, it is true that people have been hospitalized or have gone missing. But nobody has ever died that we know of why is this important? Well because the skinwalker is known as a brutal and unforgiving which that will not hesitate to slaughter anyone, it comes across. So if nobody has ever been recorded as dying, how can it be the curse of the skinwalker that is to blame. So, Skinwalker Ranch everybody.

48:22 Let's start with kids. Since we put her on the back burner, the last two times kid, what do you? Think about the, the name Skinwalker Ranch and the relation to the native lore of the skinwalker. I don't, I don't I really like the story. I think the relation might just be because it's There could have been some. For all, we know, it could be a native burial ground and that's just what's happening, is that, and they put this curse Skinwalker curse on them and they just ran with it. And that's why it Skinwalker Ranch. But I really like This one, this one's fun. This is the one that a lot of people really latch onto its the a lot of people call them flesh pedestrians because the whole you you talk about something and you manifest it and it starts to show up and help us Opie.

49:26 Yeah. So people don't want to say Skinwalker because they're afraid that it'll show up so they call it a flesh flesh pedestrian instead, which I think is honestly ridiculous but it's way worse. I really like this story because it's it to me is just It's another windigo story, but kind of cooler. Honestly, I don't. That's but anyways, that's when I hear the skinwalker creature. I, I kind of think of a windigo at the same time, they're just, they're similar but completely different. So the the skinwalker is a witch, right? Basically, somebody who has killed somebody in their own blood earning the right, Evil practitioner of magic and the windigo is basically cannibal zombie. Well, yeah, but I mean, in the sense of like, It's your buddy Spirit.

50:27 Yeah yeah. The whole paranormal aspect of it, they're they're they're similar but they're different and that's what it kind of reminds me of. And that's why I kind of like this this store this portion of it. Something different. Yeah, I don't know if there's something out there, but it's kind of cool to think, gentlemen. Free-for-all who wants up. Yeah, I think I think there's something to that. Honestly, I think the fact that it's on a Ley line tells me that there's something going on there and has been something going on there for probably a million years or more millions of years, I don't know. So to think that going back a few hundred years Civilization of people were aware of some energies in this area.

51:15 So they would, you know, cast this curse upon somebody else. In this area makes sense that maybe there was some power to that, maybe there was some some power to that curse and something was happening. And then later down the road with technology and all this research and shit. Then we come in and, you know, at this is a perfect place for us to do our experiments with this interdimensional, whatever. Our Whatever it is right, so I can see a connection between the two being a thing. Again, it's a great movie, this would be a great, I'm sure it's a movie but just that aspect of it would be a great movie, like the Native Americans. And then they put the curse and then like 200, 300 years later, you have, you know, scientists in a deep underground bunker fucking around with some entities you know, in the same spot. Yeah, about the other two, boys.

52:12 Wes don't speak. Don't everyone. Speak at once. Hey, flip that one Wes. I'm tied over here. Okay, I was going to say, I think I still believe that it's just some interdimensional Crossroads and is bleeding over into our world and maybe it's been happening within a certain window and say that window was before Native Americans in the area. And that's where they where they end up witnessing you know this.

52:53 You know crazy events you know in this in this area and you know that's where those Tales came from you know, of the skinwalker I don't know. I believe a lot of old you know, Tall Tales or I don't know. Another word for it. Lures and mythologies. Lures, and yeah, Laura's and mythologies. They all there is some truth in, you know, where they came from. It's not just pulled directly out of nothing, you know, there's always something inspiring something else, you know.

53:33 And I think their their tails of the skinwalker is just things that they have experienced. And now we're finding out that others that lived on the wrong in that area. They experienced similar similar things, you know. Yeah. Jacob, I think that okay, couple things so if I'm going with the idea that I have of demonic activity, It literally like, at the beginning of the Bible, the the angels that became demons, basically tried to follow Satan into becoming like God and they were cast down to the Earth, right? So before people even started spreading out, there was demons all over the Earth.

54:28 Not in Hell, there's actually held vacant right now, but So, the Native Americans would have had to have run-ins with demonic activity, probably quite frequently because they engaged with things like Witchcraft and all kinds of stuff, right? And rituals, and not all the time. But certainly there's there was that sort of stuff that sort of aspect to their belief system. So, you know, why would they not have some sort of lure, or Jen's to describe the things that they saw or the things that they experienced, and if these things are happening on this Ranch, than it makes sense, that they would attribute it to, you know, their explanations for the things they were experiencing or the things that they saw or, you know, whatever it may be, it's just happy circumstance and maybe it's, you know, there's some legitimacy to it.

55:30 Hmm. I forgot what the other point that I was going to make was but funny thing I actually I'm following since I'm running the shows Instagram or at least I post on it. I have as following hashtag cryptozoology and to Ken's ours point of these of the not Skinwalker. The windigo, a tattoo artist posted a tattoo, he did this crazy like half sleeve of this, you know, when to go like you'd see in any movie where it was covered in, fur had the deer. On it and stuff. And it was like ripping something apart as all splayed out like this. And everyone's like all super cool tattoo, super cool tattoo and he's like hashtag windigo and all this stuff and I almost posted the comment won't it suck when the person who has that tattoo finds out.

56:18 That's not even close to what a win to go looks alone. I left alone but I was thinking about it. I was like, oh yeah, that's a cool. Dear monster has no relation to the windigo. Whatsoever. Oh, kind of what I was getting at though is like people don't really People don't really understand the like they won't go out of their way to understand the difference. So they a lot of people you just say Skinwalker and they immediately they intertwine. The to a skinwalker is a win to go when to go as a skinwalker. Like I like the stories, both of them because they're both very cool stories. And the Paranormal aspect of both of it, the spiritual aspect of all of it.

57:03 And then it ties back into native Laura. I think that alone, I think Just awesome. So that's kind of why I like this story a little bit more. That's why I kind of like compared the two to each other is both native lore. They both share some sort of evil looking creature. Whether that be a paranormal thing or a, which does not like, doesn't matter. It's, but again, to add to that is people, don't they just intertwined the to it was Skinwalker is a wendigo went to go as a skinwalker. They're all the same two people. Which is kind of sad, honestly. Well yeah, I remembered what I was going to say to what if The reason for being told they can't dig is not because of a military base but because it was discovered at some point that that is an Indian burial ground.

57:58 Now whether or not that area could be sold and purchased, I don't know, but I know that if something is discovered to be and Native American burial ground, that it cannot be dug up. So, that would be an interesting thing or for Jeff, what if it was discovered that there was giant bones on that property because I was watching this this documentary by George Knapp and they said right away that that area is known for having was it liquid carbons and dinosaur bones. So if it was discovered that there was giant bones in that location, that would be another reason to have the motivation to tell them.

58:45 Don't go digging around. Maybe we can't contain a 700 acre piece of property from being purchased or sold or whatever it is you know, or something like that. But I mean to go towards the Native American side. I mean it shows in the show that there was pictographs on the Rocks, they get into it and season 2, they show that hey this looks like the skyline and stuff. This looks like the Big Dipper. This looks like the constellation Draco. Also there was pictographs on there, so it was inhabited by by the Native Americans at some point. So, could they be buried there?

59:25 Sure. You know, could there be something more to that like giant skeletons and that has to be tightly Under Wraps? I don't think they could own and, well, maybe they could they write the big they own and control every single area where giant skeletons ever been found because of cording to, you know, local sources. It's like everywhere. Air. But that would be a motivation to tell the original owners of the property. You can own this but you can't dig or else. Something bad will happen and just leave it at that. Maybe it was originally, if you find something while you're digging around here, we're going to come kill all of you. You know, something bad will happen or something like that, I don't know.

1:00:11 So does anybody else have anything to add? Because this is a great segue into thanks Bart. Nope, okay. Jeff, here's another one for you, buddy. It's because I love you. It's the beard trying to try to become dear brothers. All right, you ready Jeff? Let's go. Jeff. I think you're like this one. I don't know if you're gonna come like, jump on board or be against it, but I think this is interesting because I found this in one source and I wasn't going to include it but I kept it for you buddy. Let's go Freemasons. The secret society, / fraternity known as the Freemasons are, a mysterious group with branches, all over the world in time, one of the biggest ties between the Freemasons and the Uintah Basin is the presence of one of the post-civil war.

1:01:03 All native, African American, regiments of the western expansion, effort, established, in 1866, these all-black units, became known to the plane, Indians of Utah. As the Buffalo Soldiers and were known to have been almost completely free mason, which was strange for the time as Freemasons were typically older, rich white men. Nevertheless, the majority of the Buffalo Soldiers were devout Freemasons. I know that we haven't had a chance yet to really dive into the background of Freemasons. But as a very quick outline of their past, that may have a slight connection to the happenings of Skinwalker Ranch.

1:01:45 It has been long theorize that the The Freemasons are tied up in a cult practices and that happenings in the UN to Basin holds a secret connection to the society. The best argument for this is as symbol etched into a nearby Ridge that has recently been described as Skinwalker bridge that resembles a known popular Masonic symbol the symbol in question has the letter V with an inverted fee overlaid on top with one V made from an engineering compass and the Made by a tool known as a square. Get this, the famous symbol is known as the square and Compass. The location of this etching is so far up that no man could stand and conduct the etchant, even with a tall ladder, but someone could do it.

1:02:33 If they were suspended off the side of the ridge, it is theorized that this double v etching was left by the Buffalo Soldiers. During one of their many stays in the UN to Basin and is over 100 years old. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Dude, to be honest with you, I'm kind of beyond the Freemason thing to a point there. Everywhere, everybody is a Freemason. I mean, I know people were Freemasons and most Freemasons have no idea like what they're, what the deal is, you know what I'm saying? So well, your real high level to know anything, right? So let's talk about those guys because you're right, there is a lot of Freemasons out there.

1:03:14 And a lot of people don't even know what. The history of Freemasonry is and what's really going on within the organization. But what about the higher-ups? I mean, occult practices has been tied to Free Masonry. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's, it's my opinion that these secret societies, not just Freemasons, but there's a lot of them. What they do is they purposely put people in positions to, or they recruit people who are in positions. That are around interesting things to them. Now since they're into a cult practices, they might very well be interested in this area that may have a long history of weird.

1:03:57 You know, entities, and and rituals being done or whatever the case is. So it wouldn't surprise me if they knew about this and were doing everything they could to get their members in that area or in positions that would be involved in that area, one way or the other and probably still to this day. But I wouldn't say that this is like a Mason run operation as much as it's more, like they just like to have their hands in everything, you know. What about anybody else? Anything on the Freemasons. I just want to say that, I'm not surprised they're involved. They got their hands and everything. So, yeah, I don't think it has any relation because I mean, like, even like the Masonic temples, right?

1:04:44 Most Freemasons probably have no idea. Like there's a lot of Freemasons in the Navy like in the E7 and above club, right? You see a lot of them on license plates. Now, I don't think that they're most people really know what is going on at the top levels, but you'd have to assume that they the people that are running like the Masonic lodges, they probably know quite a bit more about what's going on and stuff. I don't think you could be Running a lodge and not have access to certain information but you got to figure how many Masonic lodges are there all over the place. I mean, there's three within, you know, a few miles of me here in SoCal, but this area in Southern California, isn't anything like Skinwalker Ranch for the activity that's being gone that's going around it.

1:05:30 So if there's the same sort of practices being done all over the place but there's only one Skinwalker Ranch. I don't think it. Has any relation to whatsoever besides that these people existed in the same location as Skinwalker Ranch. Now, the reason other than Jeff that I did include this and why I find it there's importance here is because of the time frame. So these this militarized unit was created to push natives out of the area and you go back to the curse that was put on by. One native group to another native Group by way of the skinwalker curse. Now if you see this picture of the Petroglyph, that's why I thought this was a good tie in, it does look like the may see on Masonic compass and square, R square and compass. Can it I mean is it there's not a hundred percent and again I wasn't going to include this if it wasn't for old Jeffrey here just because I found it one source and I don't like including things that I can only find a One Source because usually it's little sketchy.

1:06:49 But I find it interesting because of the time period and what the, what the task was by the group. Yeah, I think like Jake said they're probably they just probably happened to be there, you know, this is more of a happenstance than not but it also might be that somebody higher up put them there in that they were just there by happenstance. But I don't think that there's any real significance to that other than they just like to be involved in literally, everything. I gotcha. Wes you got anything there, man. I don't think the Freemasons are anything with anything. There's anything Left of what they originally was mean.

1:07:33 And I see all kinds of people that are Freemasons and I'm pretty sure to have no idea what it's really about. So I don't really lend any Credence to them really have any involvement. Gotcha. All right. Good to move on. Good. I was get back to the weird shit. Parallel, world Gateway. Here you go. Wes will come to you first on this one. All right. Could the location be an area that nears a parallel world on a dimensional level? That we cannot perceive? Eat remember there have been a few documented reports of Windows, or portals opening up before someone or something comes out of it. In the book hunt for the skinwalker Kelleher, an app quote, the physicist Michio Kaku is famous analogy of the Ant Hill next to the superhighway to paraphrase, mr. Kaku, he explains that not a single ant, an ant colony can perceive the idea or even notice the multi-lane superhighway being created and used right next to them. That not one of them could understand the usefulness. Honest, and purpose of it and that most likely none of them even notice it in their everyday lives. Could we be an ant colony with higher dimensional beings conducting their everyday business right next to us could Skinwalker, Ranch, be right next to another Dimensions superhighway.

1:08:51 You think Wes? I think that could be a pretty good explanation. I mean, Yeah, it's just were seeing things that we just have yet to understand, you know. So of course, it's going to be like, I don't know chimp seem fire for the first time or something on our, it's just like, you know what, in tarnation, what the hell is it? Yeah, I don't know. I think, definitely, dimensions are crossing over, something like that because you know all the different things we're seeing it. Just, I don't know. There's two, there's too many different things, you know, I don't know.

1:09:38 Yeah, I agree set it already thousand times, I guess me, I wasn't both pretty much said it. Jake. I mean, we've all said it really that this is a possibility, but it did. The thing, when I think about this, the thing that sticks in my mind is like Image one of the Marvel movies, forget which one it was, but it was like the big war, right? And all the portals opened up and all the characters are coming out and game, right? So I imagine like this this Rift opening and one of the stories from the last episodes for this cloaked, Predator was parting these, you know these cattle. Right? As it was walking through, and I'm like, okay, this thing's probing us, right? It's testing and maybe it's been doing this for a Thousand years, right or whatever.

1:10:25 And then one day, the freaking endgame portals are going to open and it's just going to be an army of these cloaked werewolves just coming through. Maybe this happens like every 30,000 years, man, like, that's all I can think is that. You, are you explaining the plot of my God? I just forgot the name in the movie, one with the giant robots. Fighting the monsters, Pacific, Pacific Rim, You're explaining the problem that I resolved that but it's coming. You guys remember? The first was the fog, the Mist, the missed. That's what it was. Yeah.

1:11:06 When the Mist would come over and then like these beings were basically coming from another dimension and like eating everybody project Arrowhead was the name of the project. See I've seen all kinds of strange paranormal supernatural movies but never seen Star Wars. Okay, we can't be friends. I quit everybody. Never seen Star Wars. Never seen Lords of the Ring. Once again, delft never seen Potter Henry. I am offended Jeremy. Yeah. All right. Listen to put in the comments if you want us to make your me, sit down and we'll do it one day in the Discord server.

1:11:47 Something that every single Star Wars, We'll be starting with Tusk will watch test crew, watch all the extended editions of The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. Yeah yeah I just recently re-watched. The whole. Yeah me too. So good. So good movie month at Jeremy's house. I'll read a book while we're watching a movie. No we're going to have you in a chair like this we're gonna have to tie you down to the chair guy who your eyelids open. You can send one of the fans dude. That's just disrespected. The miss. The miss is like one of my Loki. Favorite movies though.

1:12:28 I love that. Okay. So getting back to the point. Yeah that's kind of like with what's going on here and they're not necessarily like that's what I think but you know like I can see that that being a thing and I don't know why I'm talking about it but it's fun side. Know it. I mean, when's the last time someone saw the missed here? I seen it recently and like years. The CGI is Fucking horrible. Well, it was, it was like a budget, but yeah, it didn't have a big budget or anything. But me is still based off a Stephen King novel. You know, it's shoes like a one step above a Sci-Fi channel movie. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely definitely. But man, what a, what a shit show of CGI, it's just absolutely horrible. Like when they're in the loading dock in that tentacles coming through and they're hitting it with the acts as it's got the movies.

1:13:21 Most great movie. I love, I get the point across as long as you get the point across. I'm okay with your shitty CGI. Like if it's at least acceptable and like I get what you're doing. Okay, we're I'm in. I'm here. I love it. And I sometimes anyways, I'm sorry. So yes, except it's not, you know, one Highway intersecting with another Highway like that. Like there's the two roads and then there are touching each other at some point. This point and this point is Skinwalker Ranch, it's more like this, just Or twine fingers because the Angels the demons, they're around us all the time. They expect, they are the reason for most of the stuff that's going on in the world right now. I'll get into more of a deeper.

1:14:02 When you force me to do like, Revelation type, you know, or Matthew 24 type topic. But keep in mind, we're probably gonna get cancelled when I do, but it just, you know, because I'm going to go, you know, hard into it and you know, should all the fish is doing overall Shadow, Man. This Earth is is pushing away from right, but it's more like this, right? It's it's everywhere, it's not, you know, the ants and then the highway is going past them. They don't notice it. It's that the ants are on the highway in the highway, the highway is everywhere around the ants. So basically, our worlds are completely intersected and every which way, it's just that we can't see it. Because it's invisible, because it's not an hour. You could say dimensional plane, or you could just say that. Actual beings without a physical body. Can't be perceived, insane, maybe they can be seen through technology sources.

1:14:57 Maybe that's what we see in the show and stuff, I don't know. But even then, I think that's kind of a stretch, right? Something's not bound by our physics. It would be able to escape our instruments that are bound by our physics, right? So I don't necessarily know if that's even a thing, but yeah, I don't think that in that, Regard Skinwalker Ranch would have any sort of like special qualities to it, because it would be literally everywhere. Although, back to my original point, I do believe that there's increased activity there, the question that I have is why and I researched it, you know, why would that be?

1:15:41 And I came up with nothing, right? So it's just like, I don't know, maybe it's just more focused on that area because there's A lot less stuff going on. Anyway, you know, like like Jeremy we talked about with the town that you just move to that. I'm thinking about moving to after the Navy and their biggest like thing in the last month or so, was that there was a Victor from the the national mullet Championship that got first place there, and that's huge news there. So if you could imagine Ian, any sort of alien activity or demonic activity or even strange, natural phenomenon, whatever happening in that area, it would be so focused on because there's really, you know, if you look at all the other stuff, there's not much else going on and that's what draws me to the location because I want some dang, peace and quiet, but maybe this is similar to that other other than, if you took all the skinwalker stuff and you just kind of put it on a shelf and you looked at the town Or the location or the county, the you enter base encounter.

1:16:56 You went to County. I think it is, there would really be nothing going on, but because this is going on here, it's such a huge news versus other areas where that stuff also occurs, but it's mixed in there with constant carjackings or constant murders or something like that, right? So yes, it appears in the news but it's brushed over with other things that are constantly going on. So maybe it's just that. Lowell of activity is a focal point for that, you know, that or the focus of it is then, you know, all the stuff that happens everywhere else as well. Okay. To talk about the really important thing that you said, yes here in Bumfuck, nowhere middle of Wisconsin. Menomonie Wisconsin, a kid.

1:17:42 I'm not going to say his last name because I don't know, the rules and everything, but the kid named Emmett one when I saw the picture. He yeah, he's cool. USA had more Championship Was Won by a kid named Emmett right here in my new hometown of Menomonie Wisconsin. Fucking kid is a an absolute stud mullet is a absolutely. He's got a, he's got a mullet / Mohawk, and it's like, holy shit. Like, what are you like, who's gonna beat that? Nobody, that's why fucking Emmett one. Because it's a battered, your mom's It's coming through. All right, we'll give them will give you 10 years, but then it's gonna be just tearing it up.

1:18:33 But I wanted to say, kind of like to add on to what Jake was saying, the highway like, being more intertwined, like fingers. It's as you were explaining that I thought, almost like a nesting doll situation. Every time you get deeper and deeper into it, you're finding a new highway which is covered in a different dimension and it, you just keep opening up different layers or opening up the next doll and you find a new dimension and That's just how I was relating to it in my head. Was you playing with a nesting doll? All right, you guys ready? Move on. Yep. All right extraterrestrials and intra terrestrials, the basics behind this explanation is that is almost identical to the military Side Up Theory, except it is an alien race conducting such experiments.

1:19:25 What about another idea involving ETS? The idea that they also know, there is something very interesting about Skinwalker Ranch, and they are there to investigate as well. Yet, another idea involving alien beings is that they are. They're in search of a very Material known as gilsu night. Gilson night is a lightweight solid black material, that is the solidification of petroleum and is found naturally in very select locations in the world. The Uintah Basin being one of these places. And what about intro terrestrials beings that are either ancient or Subterranean that live within the old caves caverns and tunnels throughout the basin? Could the instruments that were deployed by the nazim and many teams since be picking up on technology from Far underground.

1:20:09 And could this technology look like orbs, UFOs? Dogman, cloak beans, and orange tunnels connecting parallel worlds, No, yes I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say yes on the intro terrestrials and possibly even crypto terrestrials. That's it. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yes, quick. Answer my Jeff. You just must play in. What interests real was do. I need to explain again? What a crypto dress real is know you touched on that the other day, but good, I mean, it must be close to his bedtime because I was quick, You are correct, but it was just a quick thought. I just got an update on my phone that says watch Star Wars on something I just flick through listening. They're listening to us is actually much deeper than that. We have time to get it.

1:21:04 No, we can't get in there. Save up for an episode. It will save a report on the lapis owed on it. What we sought to do the birds aren't real, it's terrifying, but okay, I'm gonna say no to extraterrestrials but yes to Eject blue beam, what a what a great focus, a great spot to focus this idea and this brainwashing of the masses of the UFOs and all this crap halogens man, just test them. Just keep putting out there. I mean, shoot like shoot. What if what if this is a black budget project area, right, why would they then invite the History Channel to come and film and record all over it? Not tell them what the vehicles are, but let them assume that their you AP is, or UFOs or aliens, or something like that. If not to accentuate.

1:21:57 This idea that the extraterrestrials are here and they're visiting us whether that's to cover up military vehicles, or to push this idea of like a project blue beam type scenario, where they know something's coming and they want to have a plan B to say, hey, this is why this happened, it's because of the aliens, For more information on Project blue beams. Check out that going to back pedal into it. Right into it, right? Right into my I got you right here man. Yeah West kid. What do you guys think? I got nothing on this one, honestly.

1:22:39 I can lean more towards the inner turret and treacherous Trails just because that that seems to make a little more sense there. If especially if it's like you can't dig in the ground. Well why somebody's got to know what's going on there but I really don't know what to think about this one. I don't buy into the Extra-Terrestrial stories for this. All right, Wesley King. I had a thought and just went is gone and I cannot I'm like always something to do with what Jake was talking about in the last part of his thing but I can't remember what the fuck that was now.

1:23:23 It just don't fully match card. Was it like that the intersection of the dimensions like like a the fingers intersecting. I'll keep saying stuff until it jogs your memory. Like like what I did with Ken's, are it, was it a rest after it was after that it was after that. Project is ahead of them. The Miss was the mullet all this time that happens. Just interrupt you or me and just or whatever, I got it for real. Oh my God, I mean, it's all right, with your whole with your whole inner dimension thing, that was like, what I was trying to describe.

1:24:03 I don't think it's just, you know, one over here, one over here and they're crossing paths, you know, across the If you will, was it in relation to like the, the sleepiness of the Town versus the activity and then other places where there's more activity now. I remember, so, you're talking about, thank you. Thank you. You're talking about how the government is going to have like a plan to throw people off the trail, right? And oh yeah have them. You know not think that Stuff's going on there. For me, I think it's kind of like a I don't know conspiracy Inception where, you know, these types of things, they are testing it there but throw people away off the trail, they're going to put stuff out there. That's somewhat convincing to make people think that. Okay, there is something going there but it's not military, you know, because it's just, I don't know, it's so Random all the different events that are happening. So I don't know.

1:25:04 Maybe that's just there, you know, I don't know. They got they have their like 10 moves ahead of us, you know, you mean like maybe there are say People walking around and cloaking devices, chimeras all kinds of stuff focused in this point. But instead of saying, well, obviously, this is what we're working on, they're just allowing people to discover it. And then people just imaginations are running rampant everywhere, every direction except for black budget or government activity. Yeah, yeah. It's done except for, that's exactly where I'm going. You know, that, like, I think that's totally plausible. I think I'm sure that their government is doing that and for a lot of different things on purpose because you know, I don't know, I can't think of an example of top of a head butt. It's I don't know.

1:26:06 It basically takes care of itself, you know, that there's very little, the government has to do except get the initially going and then it just kind of feeds on itself in a self-sufficient after that. You know, what's there? This is more of a Jeff question. Maybe Jeremy to was there any The Philadelphia Experiment though? You know, I guess theories surrounding that. Was there. Anything that came about that that pointed away from the government or is that mostly like know We looked at them in there like that was the government. The Philadelphia Experiment is well, documented, government experiment. Are you talking about the Montauk project? Or make me like, like Heather really?

1:26:47 Has there been any like, getting away from like the UFO? UAP thing. Has there been any like government experiments that have happened? Where it really LED people into these other just random locations versus immediately pointing out the government saying this was a this was or a black budget project or something. I like that like where it was successful in like you know, all these people away. It's will false flags are well. I mean, cuz, you know, I mean yeah I agree with with Wes, you know what's a specific example and personally, I have none but you guys are doing, I mean, any false flag. That's exactly what it is. I mean, the details will change, but I mean like the Gulf of Tonkin, for instance, you know, did that was we totally thought that this was some That went down and we went over there to handle business. Come to find out.

1:27:38 It was totally, not some shit that went down. So, the government totally had us looking over here at the left hand. While the right hand was pulling a magic trick and that's one of you with that is. That's the reason we went to Vietnam. Yeah, yeah. No. I'm sorry. Pick up a history book but I can't read. Didn't teach me how to read in AD school anyway, it's true. They don't know. This literally affects the branch of military that you're in. You know. This was this was a time. I am a Aviation Navy, I'm not some boat donkey. All right, started. One of the biggest events. I know.

1:28:19 It's not the biggest events in the last century. All right, come on. But it's just wrong. So you know, any false flag is look over here. Why do something over here? Okay, he be no boat, Chuck shoe. Okay, that's right. But I don't know how to read. So if there's about donkeys that know how to read, well, you got me, they said, this is what I torque value is. Can go get em, tiger. I can't help it. I've tried, you're beyond help. Yeah, yeah, you got me. Are you guys ready to move on? Yep. All right, we're just a little over halfway done.

1:29:01 Jeff. You ready? Don't do it. Shit. You're so full of shit. All right here, I'll pop off. Let's see the next one's pretty long but I can do. Okay, here we go. I'll just I'll pop off the next two together. Okay, so natural phenomena. What if the property is on a plethora of magnetic Metals, causing people to see things that may not actually be there with the large amounts of Rare Minerals in ramen Metals in the UN to Basin one of the most common theories about the ranch is that everything that happens is either due to or for the natural build of landscape. Magnets have been known to cause many harmful strange, and beneficial effects on humans, could it be that the Regular magnetic readings commonly recorded on the ranch could actually be what is causing us to one. See something that is not really there to causing something to be there.

1:29:57 That is not naturally attracted to other parts of the world or what a Skinwalker Ranch is the one place on Earth that we can get proof of Michael Persinger. And John has ders tectonic String Theory, which predicts that luminous phenomena and Associated physical effects can be produced by maintained by manifestations of tectonic. Strain that often perceived, by weeks to months of seismic events with a region in layman's terms, the theory claims that UFOs. And orbs can be created by the movement of tectonic plates and the actual visual effects. We see, as these UFOs or orbs are actually just residual energy given off from the force of gigantic rock, formations rubbing or colliding together, moving on directly into the next one mirages and hallucinations.

1:30:46 What if we looked at the other? Of things here, instead of looking at the property as a cause for hallucinations. What if the effects were caused internally to our own minds? Instead, in the hunt in the book hunt for the skinwalker Kelleher, an app mentioned, that one possibility is often brought up is that the Sherman suffered from a folio do like case of paraphernalia time, for some definitions, according to the National Library of Medicine, the phenomenon known as Folly at U is defined as in identical. Or similar mental disorder, affecting two or more individuals. Usually the members of a close family. And according to net meds.com pair of her renia is a type of mental disorder characterized by paranoid delusions, the affected individual experiences imaginary fears or anxieties that are often exaggerated, but do not undergo significant loss of intellectual capabilities such as memory and daily routine habits, could the Sherman's have been sharing a case of paranoid delusions, Through fear and anxiety over the then recent shift in their lies. No, no, to both.

1:32:04 Basically, the first one is about magnets and the second one is mental errors. Yeah. I mean, I can see the magnet thing being possible, perhaps, but paranoid delusions shared by multiple people. And not just them, right? I mean still to this day apparently yeah I'm not I'm not buying that yeah ever like what I said in that one episode maybe everybody's huffing and some pollen off some psychedelic plant that's growing that nobody's at is something that they looked into the needs team did actively look for hallucinogenic plants in the area to see if that could be effect.

1:32:44 Went out there smoking peyote in the desert. Everyone, the entire town men, women children, smoking peyote and being like, Oh yeah, I thought is actually kind of thought that was actually kind of ridiculous idea, but I guess it's actually quite scientific of an idea. So it was looked into by the his team and they found nothing that was going to be. My question, were they smoking something? Then just so happen to share a trip for like what was going on here. So, thank you for answering my question without having basket. Anything else anybody? I think that that's I think that's a stretch help me out here.

1:33:30 The the Gentleman, that first conducted all, the research for the ranch he passed away recently and Junior something or other. Yeah, Junior Hicks, Junior Hicks. So he when he first started his research, according to the documentary, he had like a thousand UFO sightings that he was going through and right away. He was able to get rid of most of them until he was left with about 400 UFO. Sightings I couldn't right away be documented as just Fake nonsense, right? And then he went into actually interviewing people that seen UFOs and things like that.

1:34:12 I think that with the amount of things that have been seen on that ranch by so many different individuals and not just people who've lived on the ranch or lived around the ranch. But people in the town that's near it that it's been decades and decades and Decades of stuff. I think that you could say that a lot of it is probably, you know, To get your 15 minutes of fame. A lot of it could be, you know, as a practical joke or just deception, or whatever it is or just shut out the flat out lies, right? But certainly, some of it, a certain percentage of it has to be some people actually saw something, and I don't think that if that, that percentage is spaced out across an entire County, or a state of people that know, Know about this location that you could really chalk it up into everyone's, having some similar trip which I think scientifically. There's never been two people that have shared a trip that has been exactly similar.

1:35:19 So, because of the way that your brain works as an individual, your own experiences, your own emotions blob. All this sort of stuff, even people on like shared DMT trips, like they may see the same figure but they don't have the exact same trip. Now, DMT Has been trials where people have had the same trip, the exact same one that that's the, that's the only thing that I can come up with, as an argument to what you said there. I know you have more started happening, but there have been trials with DMT, where people have had the exact same trip. I'm looking at now. Tim, I can see Devin. They all are having the exact same trip space across decades and Decades of time, know if so still sticking with it. I don't.

1:36:03 So I think that there is some legitimacy See. Now again, is that legitimacy without, you know, beaten, this horse even more dead? Is that legitimacy? Because they're seeing UFOs, I doubt it. Or at least in their perception, it would be a UFO, right? But is it aliens? I doubt it. You know, are they seeing the Predator monster? Very highly doubt it, right? More likely it's something, whatever that that saying is, or that, that theory that it's more likely the The easiest thing to explain Occam's razor Occam's razor. There you go. So I think that there's definitely more truth to it than just to just chalk it up to it's a shared experience or there's everyone's tripping out or it's some sort of like hallucinogenic delusions that somehow an entire town or county is suffering from because that's a lot. That's a huge Mental Health crisis. If there's there's like a poison water supply, if everyone's, you know, freaking out and Our brains melting and stuff that's like lead in the water.

1:37:08 You know they need to figure out what's going on. That's like that River in Michigan. That's on fire right now. Sort of you know, levels of pollution that people are drinking, right? So Flint Michigan. So that's not that's wouldn't be something to be, you know, laughed at her on a podcast for and I think they would have been found out, right? Sure, maybe also, who knows? Are you ready to move on? Yeah. Okay, deception and hopes. What if the Sherman's we're making this up from the get-go? Some disbelievers have come to the conclusion that the Sherman's may have realized that they bought Dead Land to conduct a business that required land. That would provide grazing for the animals that they were raising.

1:37:53 Although it does rain in the UN to Basin the annual average is only about 8 inches per year, where the national average is roughly 38 snow on the other hand is different. 22 inches on average. Will fall every year in the area, just 6 inches shy of the national average, but is this enough to support the business of raising high quality Black Angus? Honestly, I don't know. I do know that some people have made it work in the area, but are they doing so with the generations of experience on these lands, passed down through their lineage, did the Sherman's fall victim to the shock of running a ranch in the UN to Basin? Did they attempt to get their Back to business or home insurance by blaming a strange set of experiences on the Lander itself.

1:38:39 Or were they attempting to wipe away a bad investment by turning the ranch into a researchers, amusement park one? That would be sought out by a billionaire, investor, or government entity. Eager to investigate otherworldly technology. Now, with the price that they sold it at, they didn't make any money off of it Isabel. And I'm sure they're not profiting anything now at also Sherman's know. Yeah, exactly. So I don't think that he He very well, could have been making stuff up for the I'm not doubting that whatsoever, but I don't think it was out of means of profit, or save his Rancher, his business or whatever that may be essentially, it was a means of profit. No for what he sold the ranch at and the fact that he hasn't written a book, they didn't go out of their way to try and make money off of this entire thing.

1:39:41 It to me gives more plausibility that it's real. So I don't believe that this is the case, but I can see it being a possibility, you know, I don't get necessarily hung up on how much they sold it for because plans fail sometimes, right? So, Could they have said, you know what? We fucked up this place sucks. Let's try to get our money back by Insurance. Kill off a couple Cows. Say we want to get out of here, we don't feel safe and let other entities move us possibly right? They could have said that and it could have failed you know the insurance could be my ya jackass know and it came back and bit them in the ass.

1:40:28 I think that if this is the case that's It happened obviously because they didn't sell it for for very much. But this is, this is not what I believe happened, but I think it does. It could hold some plausibility I think that there's definitely some stuff going on again. Again, again, again, piggybacking off myself, a lot of it could be, you know, and bala's you back off? What Jake said. Yeah, it could be embellished and fluffed, and Jamal, wessels front, all that sort of stuff, but I don't think that all of its made up. I think that there is a either a focal point of activity, or it's just the, really, the only thing that's going on because, I mean, we've talked about, Their places in the in this show were some crazy stuff happened. And if you look up the news that area, there's other things that go on constantly, it's not the front page news every single day versus this thing, which if there's nothing going on, otherwise besides a bunch of cattle ranches than this would be top news every time something happened, right? So yeah, I don't know.

1:41:37 I think I think that there is some strangeness and I'll get into it more in my final thoughts Westwood. You think man, we have heard for me. I mean, I've been saying all along, I think is something something's actually happening, something not of this world or universe, or Dimension, whatever you want to call it, and we have no involvement whatsoever other than trying to maybe monitor it. I don't think we're nearly smart enough to take on something like that and have control of it. Alright, two West's point.

1:42:22 What do you guys think about the idea that the reason? Why because the needs team, they didn't they own the ranch at some point? Yes, they okay. Everyone's, well the Robert Bigelow bought it but he is the owner of knit the right destination team. So technically yes, Tech maybe the reasoning for this. If there was black budget or government type experimentation going on in this area is because Of the increased in activity from inner dimensionals if we're if we call them that or demonic activity, or something like that because I can't, I can't look at the government right now and say that they aren't really really into this whole demonic activity type stuff and you know the media and all sorts of stuff. So if it was already happening And it was happening at a higher frequency than other places.

1:43:22 This might be a really cool place for a government agency or a black budget agency, to try to set up shop and do their experiments. You know, what sort of, you know, discoveries could be made in an area that has. Let's just call it a interdimensional rift or something like that. That's no, that's known about, you know, laser-focused from a An agency to go over to that location to try to do some experiments. That maybe can't be done, anywhere else because the physics there might be different or something, right? Or I don't know, I'm just kind of spitballing craziness because, you know, I feel like I have to up it, you know, but I feel like we're all just holding on to our final thoughts because we don't want to let anything go, which is helping as I go.

1:44:16 I have one. I'm way more, I got one more and then I have my final thoughts and then we'll break into everybody's. All right, all right. Precognitive intelligence throughout the time that the needs team was actively investigating the ranch. They came to the conclusion that they were dealing with what they called a precognitive intelligence. What this basically means is that they believe that the intelligence behind the happenings in the ranch was actually able to predict what the team was going to do, before they even knew what they were going to do author, Conrad Bauer makes an interesting argument in favor of Of the Nerds team decision in his book. The Skinwalker Ranch he describes that Quantum. Physicists have made many fascinating discoveries and one of those is that the world on the quantum level, reacts to our observations before you fight this concept, understand that this has been proven many times all around the world. Light waves have been witnessed becoming particle spontaneously due to our observation, if the quantum world can adjust and react to our two observation.

1:45:28 What is this a that part? The visible world can't do that. Same this all leads us to a man by the name of Colonel. John Alexander during the Vietnam war. Colonel Alexander was the subject of a secret military unit attempting to conduct Spy Games by the use of metaphysical means sidenote Colonel. John Alexander was the inspiration for the characters in the movie Men Who Stare at Goats and you can listen to a really fun and awesome breakdown of the movie and the secret government projects. It all covers by heading on over to our good friends. Podcast called talking with Shadows episode 59, April, Twenty, Ninth, twenty Twenty-One titled podcasters Who Stare at Goats with infinite rabbit hole and check out CJ.

1:46:09 Andrew and I break all of these down besides that Colonel, Alexander would go on to continue his career with Vietnam as an intelligence officer, working on classified studies of UFO phenomenon, it was Colonel. Alexander that first described the he believed that the entity behind the happenings at Skinwalker Ranch. Was what is known and referred to as a trickster author conrad.bear. Again, makes connections to these claims by presenting the history of trickster entities through folklore in history Loki. Leprechauns elves and by a thin margin, Navajo, legend of the skinwalker all deal with Supernatural are otherworldly beings as seem to exist to trick and scare those in their crosshairs.

1:46:51 Tricksters have been talked about all around the world from all walks of life. Although they go by many names, once you here, Their descriptions and mannerisms is clear that this trickster entity is what they are all talking about. And side note, here it is the character mr. Mixie yet. Spit lick from the DC Universe. Superman comics is based directly off the idea of the interdimensional trickster and actually did a really good job at Epic not so not. So I'm very happy with myself. So, what'd you guys think the cosmic trickster? Yeah, definitely with that. This idea as well because I totally I believe that there are these entities, I, you know, back to something that was said earlier that, you know, these IDs, ancient ideas of whatever it is like this. Had to come from something.

1:47:38 Whether you're talking about a mythology or religion, or whatever it is, something happened. And these people created these these mythologies to pass down to, you know, record these events that were happening and I believe it. Most of these events were the interactions with these different entities. I don't know if there's 10 entities or billion as these, I have no idea but the architect archetypes of these entities, Carry across cultures across time, right? The tricksters, you know, the shapeshifters, you know, like Genies, you know, different entities that you can find everywhere. So could this be one of these trickster entities? Just fucking with people, totally could be I'm in line with Jeff on This one or maybe go even further what people saw, they just create it.

1:48:35 That's what where the trickster came from, you know? I don't know. But it can't all these tales and and myths the mythologies. They all came from somewhere. So yeah, I like the story. I like this one. A lot and my travels and the internet. What not every once in a while come across a story. It's like oh I think I heard a skinwalker outside my door. They were mocking this person that I see all the time but there's no way this person could have been outside while blah blah blah blah or I heard a crying baby blah blah, blah, blah, stuff like that. Now just makes sense, they're hearing tricksters, it's not, it's not the skinwalker that they're thinking it is. It's just a trickster of some sorts. all right, Jake Okay, so here we are not.

1:49:29 Not your final thoughts just on the cosmic restriction or the, don't believe in that. I do believe in precognitive intelligence. I think that that would be more of a way to explain like the the idea of God knows everything. How do we actually have free will? And to that I would say Jeremy. You like football, say a game happened, a game happened and you had to go to work for it. So you recorded it on your DVR or whatever, right? And then while you're at work, the game is finished. And someone tells you what the score is who threw what pass, who made a touchdown or whatever. Does that mean that when you go back to watch that, that show that or that was a game that you recorded because you still want to watch the game, right? It's still something that you're interested in, so you go back and watch the game.

1:50:17 But you already know what everyone's going to do. Does that mean that those players when they were playing that game had no Free Will. And so, that's kind of when people say, well, God knows everything. If he has this precognitive intelligence, he knows what we're going to do before we do it and how could we possibly have free will? But he's outside of time and space. And he just knows because he's seeing the end. That doesn't take away from our free will, he just knows what we were going to do right in that analogy, that I gave. Now whether Angels and Demons, also have that precognitive intelligence, I would say no because they're created beings, and there's no record anywhere of the book. That talks about them that says that they do, That the only one that is that way would be the try head God, you know, Godfather or father son.

1:51:05 Holy Spirit, right? The three attributes of God but that they were he has that everyone else does not right outside of time and space because he's not a created being all the Angels and Demons will be. And so would we be where the mythologies could have come from? I don't know. I'm sure like you know, these two said they came from somewhere, right? But you know I don't think that, I think that what Jeff says quite often is that we aren't We aren't creative enough to just wing it and just make up most things that it comes from somewhere within us.

1:51:50 This understanding of this knowledge that we have. Whether it's passed down or probably maybe maybe maybe not, maybe more focused on like our cultural upbringings and things like that and past belief systems. But I think that it probably came from somewhere. Now, whether there's demonic activity, where they're screwing with people. Sure, why not, you know, if because I do believe that that's what's going on here, but as far as like, Things changing because like, I'm trying to like get my head around the circumstance here for this of just like, what circumstance in this is a question for you, Jeremy, what circumstance, where they would there be, where there would be a perception of precognitive intelligence for this particular area? Like what happened where they would point to that and say, oh, this is because they already knew we were going to do. Is it?

1:52:56 Because, you know, they were film. They're about to start filming and then the aliens showed up and then the second they started filming they didn't are they went away. Like, like I don't know what the, what's the example, the best example would be the goals. They were on their way to the bowls, are they left? The bowls with intentions, of returning to the Corral where the Bulls rat? And as they returned, the bowls were all locked up in the trailer. There's one right there to would be. The calf calf is another one. Three would be I mean shit. But I would say that that's less of precognitive intelligence and more of observing, right? If I'm observing that you are a cattle rancher, I can probably make a good.

1:53:39 Guess that if you whatever whenever you return maybe it's a, you know, an hourly basis or maybe it's like, hey, this is when the chores are, this is what I need to feed the cattle. This is when I need to move them from one pasture to another, whatever it may be, I can pretty reasonably guess. That in the same way, Jeremy you come home from working. Put your car keys somewhere. Eventually you're going to come back to get your car keys, right? So if I did something with your car keys, like threw them in the oven, you're going to come back and be like, oh my gosh, where are my car keys at? It's not precognitive intelligence. It's just knowing your pattern and what you're going to be doing throughout the day. So if they left the bowls, and then eventually they're going to come back to the bowls and regardless of, whether they find the bowls locked in the shed stacked on top of each other and they're alive or dead, and rotting is Besides the point, the fact is that they have for Black Angus, steer that are stacked one on top of another stuffed inside of a shed.

1:54:33 That's a weird circumstance and itself, regardless of the level of living or dead that those steer were than at, right? Right. So I don't think that it has anything to do with this notion of like they knew that we were going to do this like because they had some Supernaturals ability ability. They knew we're going to do this because after a week of observing your patterns, they could say this is exactly what they're going to do. Or They put this one out here to isolate it for some reason, they're going to come back to it eventually. Now what if that's 45 minutes or a day from now? Yeah right. So I think you make a good point. You know. If your cattle rancher there's a good chance. You know, you get into a rhythm jokes on you, I put my keys in the oven all the time, then I'll put them in the microwave, really trippy out that threat intelligence and because metal and microwaves. Just don't work but others aren't No. I mean you make a good point.

1:55:29 You do. I believe fault. This is get into my final thoughts real quick. Okay. And then and then we'll just have a an open conversation after ones, final thoughts, because I know Jeffrey's getting tired. All right, I can't even go to bed anyways because I've still have to export and upload this video so I'll be up till like, 2:00 in the morning. Nice. Yeah, good. Do you want you want someone to talk to you? Nope. Good call your mom. There's a rumor that Jeffrey is famous with moms anyways. My final thoughts.

1:56:11 Hey, get that rumor? I find the idea of Skinwalker Ranch to be truly incredible and fascinating to think that there is a place in the world where the Paranormal and Supernatural come to play together in a smorgasbord for Terror and trickery blows my mind in more ways than one. This led. Of course, to me not fully understanding what my true thoughts and feelings on the subject actually were. So, I broke the concept down to a few questions for myself to really create an opinion on this difficult. Topic, 1 do I think that there is something going on at Skinwalker Ranch. My answer is yes. I can't believe that out of the Decades of reported activity from the ranch and the surrounding area that there isn't some form of high strangeness taking place due to do.

1:56:56 I think it's all legit. No, as I ask myself these questions, I found it harder and harder to answer, but for this particular one, I would have to say that not a hundred percent of what has been reported is factual. Although I do believe in a portion of what happened nailing down, exactly, which ones are real and false was honestly probably the most difficult task. Remember it is in our nature to want to have experiences and with that the more people that show up at the ranch expecting to have an experience, they cannot explain increases. But expectation is often not reality, more times than not someone would walk away from the hunt with a fabricated story in order to fill the void from their disappointment.

1:57:36 Unfortunately, this is very common and three which Theory do I believe? Honestly there are a few that I think have a legitimate chance, the dimensional trickster a thin veil between parallel worlds. Secret military testing from a base underground, Native American curses and a dash of natural phenomena. All mixed in with a bid with a bit of exaggerated, from the many layers of media and entertainment all mixed together for a perfect auction that we call Skinwalker Ranch. So, yes, I do believe that there is something paranormal happening here, and I do believe it very well. Could be more than one thing, but I also believe that a lot of it has been exaggerated, but by no means do, I think this place is invalid fraudulent or normal, Skinwalker Ranch will always piqued my interest and I fully believe that there is or was something going on here that screens for further legitimate investigation.

1:58:33 A lot of big words right there. Very well, I'll keep mine short and sweet because I've already said it 10 times, but yeah, I just think there's probably like Wes is saying some interdimensional bleed through happening here and other places and there's probably some black budget operation or has been some black budget operation to investigate this, or observe this, or whatever the case. Is, and I think these people, most of them are probably seeing nothing. They're just seeing things because that's what the Mind does. And for the ones who are actually experiencing something, they're probably just sensitive to this phenomena or, you know, maybe maybe they're just in some physical shit happening in our realm in our realm and that's it, man. So I'm with it.

1:59:27 Definitely something going on. Let's go camping trip. I'm down. Laughs, what do you think? Man, like I said, time time before I'm right in line with Jeff, I just don't think our government has any direct involvement there. More of just just observing it like, we are. But, you know, with a lot more attracted like moths to a flame. Yeah. Yeah. They just have better or like light to flies for all my Trivium fans out there. Great song by the way. They just have better equipment. They're better suited to try to observe what's going on, but I don't think they have any real direct involvement.

2:00:14 Well good. What do you think's? Really Goin hot goin on down there and Skinwalker Ranch? Like you said, I think it's a little sprinkle of everything, but the one I'm leaning towards the most right now is the trickster theory that one just stories of people claiming they're seeing a skinwalker and all of that. I just The relation of it is fun. It's interesting. I like the that that whole story that you presented there, But it just makes sense to me.

2:00:54 That something might be out there playing tricks on us. Because why not for again, that something could just be our own mind's playing tricks on us but I'm like, I love the lure. The military's got to have or the government or whatever has got to have some sort of involvement, but are they in charge of everything? No, I don't think so hallucinations, they can't buy into at all. I don't really think it's interests. Really extraterrestrial stuff at all. I really like this trickster one. That's the one I'm sticking with. Don and Jacob like Old Second hostage nipples like insects to a light source. All right, so, so okay.

2:01:47 I said, I said right in the beginning that I had discovered some stuff because of the documentary is like the documentation, the documentary that kind of tripped me out a little bit right in episode 1. I Heard this whole story of the wolf and I was like, this is baloney. I think I even may have said that that it was baloney and nay now I say nay. So they're so okay so this is A Perfect Graphic so don't freak out. I am an artist found out because of that documentary that the the Sherman's after they had their wolf encounter, a couple weeks later, they They were approached to give a description of what they believe the wolf look like, as far as I get size and stuff, they're given a line up of three different Silhouettes.

2:02:46 One was a pony, one was a wolf and one was of a direwolf, and they said, point to what you saw, and they pointed directly at the direwolf. Now, this is pretty much based off of that lineup, That graphic, that was displayed on the TV, keep in mind, excellent picture. Yeah, but this was about the size. They said Pony, wolf direwolf direwolves cut off because I ran out of paper because I didn't, you know, open it up like, like this anyway. So they pointed at this one, the size of the pony, you think that people that deal with large animals all the time, wouldn't know? The size of a regular wolf versus a Pony versus a direwolf.

2:03:27 And they didn't tell them, they didn't say, this is a direwolf, they just said, point at the silhouette and they point out that and we've gone into that in other episodes of this possibility that direwolves could still exist. And then I looked into the area. And the area is riddled with caves with abandoned gold mines with Canyons, all kinds of crap, right? All kinds of hiding areas. And if we're going to go into other Cryptids that are in other areas, You know whether that's was it the Tasmanian Tiger I believe right now the devil but the tiger is supposedly extinct even though went extinct in like the 30s and it could still exist and it's still seen all the time.

2:04:11 Now, I'm not saying that wolf still exists, but could it have existed during this time, right? Especially if this area is so unpopulated and the way it went is said, no, to the humans went right for the, the calf, right? As almost as if this is a tunning pattern, is to go after the weak or smaller animals, not the humans. They're going to give it a bunch of issues now, did it take? Six shots with a, you know, 357 Magnum and then two shots with the 30.6 and Really nothing happened. I don't know. But Maybe with an animal that size, would it be like if you went after a grizzly, bear right now? Because that's pretty much the size we're talking about.

2:04:51 If you shot at a grizzly bear right now or a, you know, a small grizzly, bear large, black bear. How many shots could you shoot into the side of it before it stops, what it's doing? You know, I don't know because I don't hunt those things a well-placed shot right in its heart. Probably, you know, effectively one, because I my pastor goes bow hunting. For Black Bear, right? But in its shoulder blades or just shooting randomly into its body, right? Especially how fat these things have one. Right. But there's a loose, we're Bears. Yeah, so, but I'm sitting here thinking about was like, so this wolf story could be real, especially with the black coloring because we have that other video from, like, Montana or something.

2:05:37 Where that big old German Shepherd was going after a real soda, Minnesota, it is bigger than any wolf I've ever seen in my entire. Higher life and wolves. Get really big, but this thing looked like a straight-up direwolf, right? It's in the few and we should, you know, make a point to put a link to that in the description. I'll try to you know, remember that for this episode but it's just like it's freaking nuts and so it just like maybe this thing has some truth to it. Right? So that tripped me out then you know going into the Phenomenon with the TV show where they're seeing the heat signatures and stuff from you know the Second home set or whatever. And you know, they see that crazy decrease in temperature suddenly, and they showed the screen literally, like, the whole thing went like dark black and purple, and then, everything else was right around it, because it was the focal point of that, crazy, you know, temperature drop, right?

2:06:35 And it was right where they said it was. They had the, they had the walking around with the 3D mapping technology and stuff and they're walking around inside the house. I'm not saying they could have turned the thing off to add, you know, drama to the show but they showed that there was this big black spot where it didn't, you know, pick up anything so I I can't I hesitate to say that this is all made up and there's nothing happening here. I definitely think there is something happening here, but at the same time I think there's a lot of nothing, a lot of drama, that's added especially with the rise of Technology because even, you know, even I think it was George Knapp said in the documentary that really nothing happened in the 70s.

2:07:21 It was very small as far as like the sightings that were going on. There were some UFO stuff, there were some whatever and then the way more disturbing stuff started happening in the 90s and that was when we saw this boom and Technology, you know shortly afterwards, you know, in the 2000s, the internet would really just kick up and all sorts of stuff, you know, all the sort of all these sort of things. But we were in that phase, there was all that stuff coming on up online and how convenient is it that suddenly all these crazy stories start coming out, you know, and it's just like so I don't think that there is nothing, but I think it's way over play it now and I believe it would be likely that there is black budget type stuff going on or government type stuff going on in that area as well. I hundred percent believe that this UFO phenomenon is completely, you know, just fabricated, it's fabricated hysteria to distract from other things. It really seems like you know, it could be coincidence which I don't believe in but it seems like every time there's some major like hey this is what we're talking about, the UFOs were having some Congressional hearing or something like that, to give out more information.

2:08:39 There's also some other craziness going on in the world that would you know the focus is drawn. Over here sleight of hand perfectly timed. Or it's, you know, purposefully timed is probably what I'm getting to. But that there is, you know, this distraction that's going on a major distraction right for whatever reason, you know, I don't know, but but I don't think that there is nothing going on. I think that there's probably a Cryptid stuff going on. I think there's probably demonic stuff going on black budget, Ops going on and stuff. Testing and why not? Let's let the media in here and let them go wild with the the craziness and accusations because honestly we none of us can point at some black budget agency.

2:09:25 We don't even know what they're called and say those are the people responsible who cares if people think that it is right? No one can prove that it is so let them run wild with it. Especially since, you know, this is during the timeframe of us of the government announcing. Oh, there's aliens and we don't know what they want and they have technology that's far. Superior to ours and everyone just running rampant with it. They see flares out in the ocean. They're like these aliens. You know, everyone's just brainwashed. These days are a lot of people are and so yeah, why not just let them in and then they're going to immediately think that it's the aliens and all kinds of stuff and we could just keep doing what we're doing. Who cares if people really see it anymore, right?

2:10:05 It doesn't need to be at a military base in the middle of nowhere, where no one's a lot access. It could literally be over San Francisco and everyone's gonna be like delians. Oh gosh. The aliens known very rarely are people going to say that's the government or that's black budget and even so who's going to believe him it's like you know five Schmucks on a podcast, just talking about it. No one's going to believe us, right? So maybe Danny but that's about it. I don't know who your conscience anyways, but that's no. But that's what I'm that's, that's what I think is that there is craziness, there is strangeness, but it's not. When it comes to like the alien stuff that's all just because they can, right?

2:10:48 I mean who's going to stop him for one who's going to prove that it's them, you know, and you know especially with the narrative going on right now, most people are going to look at the aliens and then attribute. Most of everything else that's going on to the aliens. I mean the Predator monster vs. You know like what you guys were talking about a cloaking device. Oh Yeah. Alright. So Wes Wes has like, no, no, you know, I just want to point out a post from June 15th on the infinite Rabbit Hole Facebook group by tagger Wyatt, Wyatt, tagger Wyatt.

2:11:33 Thank you to every. I really appreciate this because this is the video of the wolf in Minnesota. I just sent it to our group chat, the infant, right, whole group, just so you guys can look at it if you want to. But take a minute, I'll do you one. Other than what Jake said, instead of posting a link to it, we're gonna make you guys go to the infinite Rabbit Hole Facebook page and go to June 15th Taggart wire Wyatt posted this video that we've talked about Jake and I have do Vince's video before many of times, it is an unbelievably awesome video thing. Scares the living shit out of me and I don't know who recorded this, but letting their dog next to that. Nothing is complete idiot.

2:12:21 It's huge, huge, absolutely huge, and it's a fucking dark pitch, black wolf and learning matches the description of the wolf from the Skinwalker Ranch. And I don't even know it because of the distance. If that thing is big enough to be considered a direwolf, that's just a big wolf if they did. In fact, see a direwolf then I mean, literally, we're talking like face level at the shoulder. Right. Acute a six foot tall human looking. At this thing shoulder is maybe you're looking right at it or it's just below that. So it's maybe like 5 feet tall at the shoulder or something like that. It's they're freaking massive and so maybe this is one maybe it's not. I don't know because of the distance and you know you'd have to go out there and measure the trees and see, you know, it was it standing in Tall Grass, you know, whatever it was. But still if that if they actually did see this wolf and it was that big and they think it was a direwolf, that's a monster.

2:13:20 And yeah, it might make sense that they could put a bunch of rounds into it. And maybe not affected especially if they're just shooting into its bones or something, you know, I don't know. All right, so that has been our weight. Does anybody else have anything else out here? Good to go. No. All right. Well, that's been our coverage of Skinwalker Ranch. I know that we've talked for probably over six hours, total with it in these last three episodes. Jeff, would love to murder me but he can't because he also loves me conflicted. That is the bulk of Skinwalker Ranch. If you want more stories, I have more stories.

2:14:03 I can go into. I can go into the stories of a A security officer that did security for the ranch for quite a while. I can go into stories of a gentleman who snuck onto the ranch quite often and has come out with 10 books on his own personal experiences with the unknown on Skinwalker Ranch. There's a lot out there, there's a lot now, whether or not, it's all real no idea, but if you guys would like to hear More from the stories of Skinwalker Ranch. Let us know. If it rabbit hole at gmail.com, shoot us an email.

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