139. Researcher Spotlight: Carter Buschardt 3

0:00 Welcome back to the infinite. Rabbit-hole podcast, I'm your host Jeremy and today we're going to dive into the minds of the quantum Bigfoot yet again with a special guest. You know, we know him. Everyone knows him. Don't show twice already. But before we get to him, we're going to go ahead and introduce our co-host for the night back for the second time in a row. It's like he wants to be here or something. Jacob, what's up, man? Hey, I'm not back. I'm just hanging out now. Nothing much man, just excited excited for this episode. I like all this stuff. Yeah.

0:40 So Jake heard who I was talking to you today and he, he raised his hands and volunteered his time. Hmm. All right, so enough Jake. Nobody cares. Yeah, he left us. Remember that guys? Let's talk about our guest. Carter push hard. How you doing, man? I'm doing well, more well than I should. But, you know, good and always always, always pretty good good, welcome back to the infinite Rabbit Hole - thanks for having me back very very happy to have you back a little back story. We do have a significant more. Nificant increase and is significant increase of listeners. Now compared to what it was. Exactly.

1:26 Seventeen months ago today? Yeah. You had like eight listeners. I think. Yes. I'm stuff like that. Something. Something really silly? Maybe good. Your mom was there or something? Yeah, well, yeah. But yeah, we are we're we got a little bit more so, you know, hopefully we can help out a little more and get your get your voice out there a little bit more than what we were able to do last time. But either way your voice travels man, you have a great story. Re and you have great books. And today, we're going to talk a little bit about your most recent book. Sasquatch evidence of an enigma 3. This is your third edition right from 2023 and I just got done reading it actually just a couple days ago, I've been kind of poking at it here and there while I was doing research for other stuff, and I knew I had to finish it up before. I got got a chance to talk to you again. Here, we are.

2:23 We're going to talk about this and it's good stuff. Yep. To be a test. So, that's good thing you finished it because I'm going to be grading you right here. Good. Great. Damn it. Okay. All right, so first, let's catch up with Carter so Carter. What's new man? What's going on? Well, I'm up. Started a fourth book. It is kind of a compilation, but it's some of the people I've got about. Like I was telling you earlier, I've got 10. Habituation families that I monitor. They keep in touch with me. They feel me in and they are pretty much right in the book. I'm just spell checking it and getting it in there. So, but I picked up three new families in the stuff, they're telling me.

3:13 It's just, you know, it's not even Quantum or metaphysical, you know, they're hearing conversations. Yeah. You know, speaking conversations among two or three Sasquatch on their property was two different people that are happy. Hearing conversations. I mean, you know, and that's not even paranormal or or anything, you know, birds chirp dogs bark, Sasquatch talk. We talk to me. They had their own language, you know, you're the Ron Morehead, you know, tapes fills you all in on that. So that's just been fascinating to me and they're just, they're so the the information is just copious it. Just keep coming out because they're so mesmerized by and nobody.

3:56 Eddie will talk to him. That's the whole reason I do these books is because nobody will talk to these people when they start talking about Colonel Quantum type things. You know, whether you know they're morphing, they're dissipating into an orb and flying out the window and bizarre stuff, but, you know, Multiple people are telling me the same types of stories, so it's not like, I'm just running into Old Lee crazy people, you know, these are like, rational people there. You know, something lawyers, doctors cops, you know, retired Executives. I mean, they're not like, people looking for anything, you know, they just want to get it out. They want to talk to somebody who's not going to laugh at it. Make fun of that's my whole thing is these people really don't have anywhere to go because, you know, the Only crowd will talk to him with any, you know, any depth? Oh, you saw someone disappear.

4:50 How was school? Okay, let's go back to the road crossing, you know, it's more to it than that, you know. And I know, you know, that and it is just, you know, you have to wrap your head around, you have to have an open mind about this stuff and I do, and I've had some things happen to me, which tells me these people are full of crap, you know. And so it's just, it's just mine bulb, glowingly awesome, that there. They're sharing the stuff. I feel really privileged to have these people reaching out to me but they've been laughed at and left off of other shows and you know the relatives their spouses they'll right honey. Yeah when you decide you don't see Sasquatch anymore you don't have to sleep on the couch anymore.

5:45 I'm eating up with it because it's daily. I'm getting a call or an email. You know, I got one yesterday. From a lady who had a couple of chickens stolen out of her. She raises his kind of ornate chickens, you know, they're gray and white and black and red, they got, you know, I don't know what they call our off their bantams but they're really, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. They're really ornate and she sent me a picture, and there's a whole about Big as my thigh punched through chicken wire perfectly round hole just punched and there's a pile of feathers. The chicken's gone and this lady has more guts than I do. She followed the trail of feathers to a cave by her house which is on the side of a mountain in Tennessee. And she went into the into the cave and she got chased out by a Sasquatch.

6:47 So we're in bonus content right now. Everybody who's listening to this right now. She's she was so upset, and so yeah, I had to tell her a couple times. You'll just calm down, calm down. It's okay. We're going to get the story. I just, you know, but she's so upset number one that they killed her chickens more upset over that. But and the, the Sasquatch sighting and being chased back or secondary because she was still, she went back a second time and got scared away. Way, before she got there because they got another chicken is she okay? I've had enough of this. You know, she just an old Fireball old lady that lives on by herself on the side of a hill and Timothy and that took my chickens. It's like taking somebody's pet cat or your little lap dog. You know I'm going after it and so it just stuff like that. Just comes flying at me you know out of left field. You know.

7:43 Well you're the man for it. Yeah I don't know if that's a good thing or not but It's it is a good thing because you have a really awesome approach to it for those that are listening to this conversation and have not heard our previous conversations with Carter. The first episode came out on January 14, 2020 to go check that out. And check the one out immediately right after their back-to-back episodes. Check them out because we're going to build on some of the vocabulary that we use back then. Carter is very good at using specific vocabulary in. Is in his writings and real quick. Carter just for Refreshments. Let's let's let's talk about the two big terms that you use.

8:26 Visitation and habituation. So can you kind of dumb that down for everybody and let them know exactly what you mean by visitation and habituation? Well visitation this this really is mostly for Rural isolated properties whether you're on a farm land or, you know, you Farmland butts up to heavy woods and things of that nature. But visitation Versus habituation, visitation is where and I have a couple of properties like this, would they see them every now and then they see them walking through the property around the property. See him walking deep in the woods but there's no real interaction. It's like their property is on the way to somewhere else that they either live or hunt, you know? And one of these properties where there's pictures on the third book came from there.

9:17 No, they hunt there, the Sasquatch hunt there, but there's virtually no cover. No caged, no heavy, heavy Woods that there's trees and woods, but there's very little scrub. So there's no place to really hide and secure your family, you know, it's got, its got some water, it's got a small Creek, that's not like rivers and plentiful with fish. So I delineate between the two. Habituation is where you are seeing them daily, weekly or monthly. You're interacting your gifting your hearing conversations. Maybe some of your food is disappearing, off your trees and your Gardens, some of your animals, your livestock, you know, like we were talking about earlier will disappear, you know? And so that's a situation and, you know, most people that have a habituation.

10:11 They talk to the Sasquatch, just say, hey, quit stealing my food. Quit killing. My animals, quit stealing, our animals. You won't take a little food here and there, that's great by me. And if you just talk to him because you're actually in a relationship, which is really strange to say, but you're in a relationship with maybe a primordial creature, you know. And so they understand that they want to interact with humans are trying to get us, to be better people and take care of the planet and all this hate and racial racial stuff and all the garbage that's going on in there. They want us to just get back. To Nature. Like we probably used to be a long time ago. And so they understand these things, you know?

10:54 And and so that, that's how I differentiate between the two is the visitation that, you know, you see Amir every now that on your property, but, you know, their Farmer Joe down, the road is, they're living on his property, he's got caves, he's got a big river over there, he's got a huge creep, he's got ponds, he's got all this, you know, all this going on. And in place to raise a family, hide a family, secure them, Versus what we got to go by, you know, Bob and Betty's place to get to Bob's so, but that's the two terms I use and, you know, pretty the not really interchangeable is it's either one or the other. So the cover of your book, this is actually an update on something that you touched on and in your evidence of enigma to book.

11:42 This is the story of Jimmy and preacher. Do you want to give us a quick update because we did talk about that. In the second episode that we did together. Do you want to kind of fill us in on what kind of hate you have there? So, on this book you can't really see it. The picture small here. But you know, picture such a bummer. Yeah. Do you Jake. Do you notice anything on here when you see the cover? Yeah. The the time is only like four seconds. It's just a guy and it's a hand and everyone say, that's Bigfoot's Hannah. And I certainly thought that now it's like oh, It's that guy with his chubby fingers. Yeah. Well, it's not, if it's, they're not, they're not the type to do that, you know.

12:25 And when I got the photo from him, he told me at the time, I said, you know, I've got a picture somewhere of me, I think it's about 10 or 12 seconds later is when that handprint showed up. So he was trying to find the picture, well, it wasn't 10 or 12 seconds with four seconds. So if you count Out 1 2 3 4. That's how close it was. Now I feel and we all agreed that it bumped the camera because you see the if you see the shadowing here, you see the horizontal tree back here. That's fallen.

13:08 And in the trees are all straight up and down back in here on this handprint. The shading is a little bit different because it hit the camera. If it's in a different position than than the Sun and these trees up here in this corner, look like they're blowing, well that should be bumped. The the creature bump, the camera. So you mean to tell me that that's that that's not his fingers that that's just how close they were together. Yeah. Yeah. That's gold. Here's how I get not about it. I run it through some programs and I'm not a photo expert, but I know enough to run with it. Some programs to see if there's any tampering.

13:49 So, the really interesting backstory was I had another. I've had 100 reports published to BFRO. And so one of my other reports, this film crew wanted to do a story on this family, in Arkansas. Well, they decided we want money. We want this, we want to be, we want, you know, we want to be treated special and all this eyesore. Really, where's this coming from? You know, so the producers went up. Screw that. So they're going to go somewhere else. I said, well, just so happened. I got this report from Jimmy and the preacher. And so, I said, I've got a photo here and before I drag you out here you need to see this photo. I want you to tell me, you run it through your, you know, your photo programs and see if it's been tampered with, or edited or Faked.

14:43 And about an hour later, the call me back said, we're on the way. Coming. So we taped the show that never got off the ground. It was for who lose a Sasquatch. It's good. They're going to get their hands wet in the Sasquatch world but it due to infighting with the production people, the creative people. It was It was it was Abomination. So we just it never happened, but they loved the film and they made the love the video. So that's, it's a legit photo. You just have to decide if this creature. He never saw it. He never sensed it or heard it. It just showed up on the camera.

15:25 And so, and what they were doing was going back every but two months, they go, they have about 30 cameras, they go out and change the batteries. If they have to change the SD cards, get all the photos out, put the new cards in and do the whole thing and redo it in two months. So that's what he was doing. Just walking, I've been to this private benefit of this property twice, and it's a fascinating, the piece of land. And so, when we When we, when I left the first time I went out there, I made a gifting area and with three kids and some fruit and some toys and animals and, you know, beads and necklaces just a little gifting area.

16:07 Well, somebody didn't like it because they tore up one of the cameras that was out there. They just ruined Cambridge and threw it right in the middle of my pile of gifting stuff. So I'm only going to guess one person would be responsible for that and be a Sasquatch that just weren't happy with you know. Becoming in their tinkering with their Placid little world. So, but that's the backstory and they have other things going on there, not just that. And I, you know, when I, when I put this out, I got a lot of crap, oh, that's fake. How dare you have, could you put that out, you know, better than that. And I'm still, it's not fake, you know. And that's the problem with Sasquatch world is, you know, and the Paranormal field really good.

16:50 It's fake. And if it's blurry well, It's, it's nothing. Yeah, well, you know, I've been with people who I've seen, what they took a picture of I've been with them when they took poet blurry photos and it is blurry but that's because they're freaking out and maybe these are the Sasquatch are changing their vibrational frequency so they don't show up on the film you know and and there's a precedent for that if you go back to the Native Americans and the Sasquatch, if they had a symbiotic relationship, which I think they did way back when you know the Native Americans When the white man took their photos, they saw their pictures on a piece of paper and they thought you stole my soul, how to handles. I'm not here.

17:33 I'm here. I'm not here. How did you do that? You stole my soul. This is evil. And so there, you know, that's documented. So if you go back and there were some kind of symbiotic thing where they traded food and materials that that philosophy was shared amongst the two. And so cameras became a diversion you know and so but you know then again a camera and the woods just like sticking a camera in your living room you're going to notice it. As soon as you walk in the front door, you're going to see this camera up on the corner. You go, where'd that come from? Same thing with a camera in the woods a Sasquatch to go up. Stupid humans, what are you doing? Putting the cameras in my my my living room.

18:13 I mean take all your crap back here have this. Yeah. So what's something something destroyed. One of the cameras I still have the camera because Is there might be something on the SD Card. Unfortunately it's going to cost about a thousand bucks to get someone to rebuild that SD card. I don't have that kind of money laying around so it was messed up. Yeah, yeah, well something and I think what happened was the SD card was squeezed. It was crushed or something, because you stick it in and nothing it's damaged. It wouldn't have been damaged from just Throwing it against a tree.

18:54 I mean it wouldn't have it didn't damage the insides it look, it was opened and something was done to that card. I think they have the knowledge that that is where the photos are, because a lot of people say, I've had SD cards taken out of my cameras. I've had batteries ticket out of my cameras so the Sasquatch are doing that because they don't want to mess with it. You know. Well you got to figure if they're sitting there watching people and they're watching this family. Go to each and every Single camera, pull out something inside of it, swap it out, and put the camera back, repeat Behavior. They've got enough something's up with that, right? It's not rocket science, you know, it's really the simple act, the only thing that kind of befuddles me is that the size of their hands?

19:40 Getting that Little card out of there, might be problematic, maybe you have to use a twig of your fingernail or something, but you know, but that I've heard that so many times that it's a real thing, you know, they're they're slamming the back of the camera and the batteries pop out or they just open it up and take the batteries out or take the card out and throw it on the ground. You know. It could be looking at these things as living creatures to and they're just trying to get the guts out of it. Yeah. Sort of like one of the stories I want to talk to you about today, okay? What is hold on, bear with me here, Rebecca, Rebecca story. She has, she has a habituation story that is out of this world.

20:22 It's crazy. It's got better. I mean, you know, has in the book, halfway through, writing her story. I'll set it up, she and her husband, they're retired. They live out in the western state. They live with their adult on. He's 14. And maybe 50. Now he's on the autistic spectrum and but he communicates pretty well. He works around the house, he does a lot of chores. He works out in the woods and the farm and all that stuff. So they have a nice life out there but the husband was a skeptic. And so for a couple of years it was just you still missing with that stuff honey, come on. I mean really there's no such thing you know so you know how this is going to end but anyway so but she's gotten into this gifting thing.

21:12 Thing where she is gifting, I'm giving Dollar Tree a whole lot of business. I hope I get a kickback you know because people want to buy some cheap baubles to gift, you know, necklaces, little dolls, little toy Furniture marbles, those kind of shiny rocks that people put in planners and stuff. We're just really cool little the loud trinket e, kind of stuff. She's put all that. A tree and mirrors. And so what's happening now is that they don't like the mirrors she'll strap three or four mirrors to the tree just the hang them on the side of the tree. She'll come back out the next morning, they're all turned where the mirrors facing.

21:58 The tree should have turn them back out and then the next day, they're all facing the tree. It's wild because obviously this is, this is one of the the latter chapters in the book. So it's one of one of them. That's like really fresh in my memory right now. She had her husband Mark, I believe he's referred as in the book. Now, as kind of a just like a note for the listeners car, doesn't use anybody's actual names now, that's appropriate. Nice. So the names that were using here right now are not the actual name so you can't go look them up by their name. The only way you're gonna be able to hear their Story. By these names isn't Cars book.

22:41 Yeah. Is it occasions are also dubious you know that yeah right who it is and where it is does not matter. Right. There's the event whatsoever. Having a nice nice pot of property. If everyone's going to be crawling all over it this happened, you know we're it was the witnesses. One of the people in my first book they told a bunch of people that they thought were friends and sure enough. They Ended up having people driving by their house, you know, looking and, you know, cameras and binoculars really and it's rare that that happens because, you know, that's how you want to if you want to get shot. That's weird Buddy's property, especially after dark, you know? Yeah.

23:29 So. But anyway. Yeah, so the everything's everything's fake and just to protect the identities. Yeah. So Rebecca had her husband climb up on a ladder and put screws in the trees about 7 to 8 feet tall. And they were hanging necklaces, the mirrors and, and actually a sack of apples. Yeah, and there's been a couple times where these beads have they've been removed. They've been Twisted tied, and then replace back onto a screw. And then the one that really got me, Carter was the one where the apples were eaten and the cores and the chunks that were leftover, were put back into the bag. That was Nick crazy. That's absolutely Wild.

24:11 That's the Sasquatch message of. We want to take care of the earth, don't trash, the Earth, put your trash away, maybe it sounds very simplistic and kind of silly, but it, that's what they do. You know, that's this relationship. So, but it back to the gifting. So, now, what's happened is with the mirrors. They took them off and they threw them on the ground. And then she put some back up, then they put them back on the tree. But they wrapped a Vine around it, like five or six times a big long Vine and they put the mirror against the tree so you couldn't see it. They don't think they like the reflection.

24:53 I don't think they have the sense of self that we do. You know, we're always making sure we're all put together and they don't care. They live in the woods. What do they care? You know, so I think that our vanity, in our compulsion to always be looking good and checking your logo, your reflection. Ananda mirror is not something they relate to. I think it I don't think they liked it, but so, but they would wrap a Vine around these mirrors, and then she'd go back and undo it, and she'd hang them up high and then one by once, they take them, and throw them on the ground and break the glass and then she replaced him. It's a never ending thing with with that. In the beads are the same way, but they'll take the beads and they'll move them from the tree to a tree trunk in though. Weaver.

25:43 So it's kind of a decorative thing, like, you know, like drapes or something, they play with them and decorate with them. And then she goes back out and she said, me, tons of pictures. I've got new pictures since the ones that are in the book which is just bizarre stuff. Now the other thing and this just shows a sentient Sapient, being one that feels and reasons and thinks and in has compassion They, they have a plum trees and their backyard, all of a sudden, all their plums, from the middle of the tree up or gone. They're stealing all the fruit off the trees, and also their the gardening, you know, the squash and stuff like that.

26:28 She went nuts instead quit stealing our food. Aisle will give you some take some, but don't take our food. This is how we're feeding ourselves. You know granting yourself, we're feeding ourselves. She's In these conversations with them. And so a couple of days later they have these little Koi pond, you know, it's a little green to be, you know, that. Yeah, little circles. You know, looks like the Olympic rings and he holds, you know, 30 gallons and they have it out there that's where her son does. A lot of work out there, he has his little Babbling Brook out there. Well, he goes out there after she chided them and in the pond is a Rabbit with the head pulled off.

27:15 It's been gutted and it's been all nice and cleaned and washed out, and it's floating in the pond That was an apology for stealing the food. I mean it was just the Sun Goes running back. Whoa! Whoa! No! Look at this. I mean it would be freaking out and it was it was it was a gift, they were, you know, nothing was said but they just took it that way. They know that that was the gift two or three days later. I know, you know where I'm going with this. I do hurts a little six-inch perch was found swimming in this little Pond. There's no way that there's no Creek or Ponder anywhere near this.

27:58 That were that perch could have come from and her husband who at the time was a skeptic is goes. Well, you know, it's probably one of the Heron flying over and oh, it dropped a fish. It just caught and it would get filtered down through the trees and bounced around and ended up in the pond. She's doing. You really believe that really you're gonna want me to believe that story. My story makes more sense that the Sasquatch gifted it to us as another gift, and an apology for stealing food and in In your book, you have a picture of the location of this and it's not big. This is like a little, I'm assuming like a six foot by six foot little area. Right? And yeah, it's I think it in your book. You you quoted Rebecca is saying, well, that's the luckiest fish I've ever known.

28:46 Yeah, no I mean it's laughing but he was that much of a skeptic you know in It's usually the men that of the Skeptics because you know the men are gone. All the whole women are home during the day and so she's home all day. You know, in she's had her name called by her husband except he's not there, it's the exact the imitation. Yes his voice. We actually talked about something like this in the last one to forgive me, I may forget but I want to say, it was the zap story zap. The one that that used to say and he used to call out Buddy's name.

29:28 So we did talk about a story. Yeah. That was in Missouri, here in Missouri and her name is Cindy, and her husband calls her since in. Yes, yes. Yeah. That would the Sasquatch was calling her name. She's home alone all day while he's at work. Yes, sin. So see ya. We we see parallels as you were talking about earlier, you know you're seeing the same things pop up and and Different states where these people don't know each other and yeah they don't know each other. They don't want anything. They don't want any money, fame or Fortune. They just want to tell it and get it off their chest and they want to talk to somebody who believes them or will at least discuss it with him, you know. And I don't blindly believe all these people. I mean but you know when you start hearing stories like this repeat each other just different location at different people but the same events these people don't know each other. And they're not.

30:30 They're not into it enough to want to go. Boo. I just saw this really cool story. Let's let's just jerk jerk around with this researcher and see if we can prank. And who does that? You know? I mean if you're going to hope something you want to be there to get your jollies, you want to be there to see the effect of your hoax, you know, this long-distance kind of stuff it? Nobody's hoaxing. Here, this is real stuff, real? People having these events, you know, whether if you can't wrap your head around it, I'm sorry folks, but that's just what's going on. Ah, but the one here in Missouri, it calls her name and she called her husband, you know? Chuck, are you messing with me?

31:11 Are you here? And and the other you know Rebecca did the same thing she called her husband. Are you here somewhere? You just call me know, what are you talking about? Because he's a skeptic at the time. So but deal but the parity and none of this is so Quantum or paranormal. This is they have a language, they speak. We did a bad thing. We took your food, we're going to apologize for it and bring you something in return. You know, here's a dead rabbit. We pull the head off and get it for you. So I got to do is put her on the, you know put it in the stove and cook it, you know. So you're welcome very much Givens, you know, in the same with the perch, you know. But you know, the thing that you know is going on now is orbs that are morphing into Sasquatch beings. Yes.

32:07 And here's the womb everybody. Yeah. But you know in her husband during the because in the book he about halfway through, he finally had a sighting and he couldn't deny it anymore. You know, he had a knee replacement, I think it was and he didn't like the opioids, they're giving him. So he couldn't sleep. He's waking them up by two or three or more, and he's sitting in the living room just watching TV, just trying to get sleepy again. disease, when walk right through the picture window, just walks right by the house and the motion lights go on, it's just kind of walking along just, you know, look back at the house and just he's going. You kidding me.

32:51 Okay, so he's been baptized yo, he's no longer a skeptic, you know, the guy who's gonna get your nuts honey. Suddenly he's going, honey, I got something to tell you. You're so um, you know, I'm my tail is between my legs and yes, I believe you, I still don't believe it, but I saw one and I've seen another one and he is seen them come in through the window in an orb and then it will enlarge and then it It blossoms into a Sasquatch that is kind of floating in front of him and just letting him take a look and then it goes up, you know, I got so many stories like that.

33:34 And so again, Am I just lucky or unlucky enough to be speaking with out of the 400 people? I've got all these nutjobs. No, you know, it's real stuff that's really happening, you know, she's with the gifting tree, she's gifted. Now were she's a gifted a couple of teddy bears and put them in a plastic bag and the bag is hanging on the tree. One night, she couldn't sleep because her husband snores, they sleep in separate bedrooms a lot because he snores. And so she sees these, this mother and her baby, she's holding him. And in the baby's hand, is the bag with the stuffed animals, and it's a vision because there's two was an orb, and it just turned into, you saw the mother from the waist up. Up and you see the little child Juvenile and it's other hand. It's taking its hand and tickling her with a branch from a tree or fuhrer, a piece of fir tree. And she goes, well, we only have a couple of fir trees in our yard.

34:46 There's not really right in here. I hear there's one up there by the driveway. I said, well, why don't you go check that tree and see, if anywhere from six feet on up, you see a missing Branch just on a whim. There was a missing Branch. She And where that Branch was taken by the kid. It was tickling the Mama. She's not doing this. Just like a pesky little two-year-old. If your mother your wife is holding the baby, you know, and they're holding and trying to cook dinner and his plan with your face. It's the same thing we go through, just a different being, it's so crazy. I mean the the similarities are just if it wasn't for the language barrier, there'd be some really interesting conversations going on because but they're seeing all this stuff and it matches what other people are telling me now and it's coming in in droves and it's, it's real stuff, you know.

35:45 And but they Don't talk to anybody because who's going to believe that you know you just you hear you're going. That is so freaking awesome. I can't believe it. Carves, I'm envious. Yeah, and sometimes she goes, it's a, it's a chores tedious, they have orbs of all kinds of flying through at night, the cameras, pick them up orbs. She's got the orbs in the daylight, a lot of the photos that the cameras are taking or Right into the Sun. So you're going to get those sunspots and little things that look like orders, but they're just relics of light and the prisms. So but it's just bizarre and it continues to go on. And just all about two months ago, she sent me some more photos and some more stuffing, this stuff just continues her son, the autistic son, she knows he's In them. But he won't say that he has and for the sake of conversation of her, and her husband are talking about Sasquatch, they call them all George.

36:55 So that the sun will understand that they're talking about, who's George Will George's any Sasquatch generic word for all Sasquatch George? We see George. So because you can get the childlike mentality. So you know, that he's nonverbal. No, he talks, okay. Yeah. In his pictures were the book, he was so proud of himself for being in a book. He was just like, oh Mom, look, I'm in a book and he was so proud of himself, you know, is really cool. Maybe he made me proud to that. He was affected by it, you know, he really thought, oh, I'm at her book. It's pretty neat. You know, the school. Very, you know, he is started pulling his blinds tight in his window.

37:35 They never come up anymore. So she knows he's seen something Her. But he won't say that yet he won't say that. He's seen what they've asked he goes no no not really but you know that action tells you that he is seeing something right. But he may not have the words for that or he may think he might be in trouble. I don't know. He's 45, 4950 somewhere in that range and so I would think he's past the point of thinking, he's going to get in trouble but who knows what the mindset is. But anyway, so that's And and they've had other, they have a lot of orb activity, where they're coming in and out of the house Through the Windows. These orbs, the orbs sounds weird to people. But, you know, in the Paranormal world of your Ghost Hunter, orbs or like, it's a staple, it's a staple, it's accepted, you know, beat potatoes, orbs go.

38:33 Just, you know, it's just it's it is a staple. It's, it's part of the landscape. But when you get into the Sasquatch thing. Well orps Sasquatch. Really the right. Okay now you're not you're not. You're yakking neck him. I changed? Well no we're not. You know, I've seen my wife has seen one here in the house when I had the meeting of this book with the. Yeah, that one. Well, that was happening to me. An orb was flying through our bedroom 325 miles away. I called my wife to tell her about the event on this book and what time was that? Well, I don't know.

39:15 But it would have had to been probably after seven or eight because we left and it was getting dark. And there was covid-19, was out in the woods, so it was just one of those weird things. And well, just so, you know, I saw an orb come flying through the bedroom and it, I saw it physically, I saw it. I also saw the reflection in our bedroom mirror on a dresser and it was it around for a little bit, then it flew to The back in the left, she never saw it, but that happened nearly within an hour or two of when I had been made contact with with this clan in Illinois, just crazy bizarre stuff. But it's, it's, it's happening, you know. Now, you know, I don't get invited to the big Sasquatch conference because of your just, you know, fresh important. Yeah.

40:05 Well there's, there's more to it than that. You know, but no you speak to Dead Horse but that this is going on and she's going to be put her in the book. She's got some new stuff and it's just it continues, because both are embracing it. You know, a lot of people will ignore it and don't want to interact with them. And they have the option of interacting or not it. She's fascinated with, they're just all eat. No. But now, the husband is been baptized. He's like, what can I do this? Is this is crazy. This is weird. It's cool. You know, and so but you that's that family and they are just is honest and is forthcoming.

40:50 As you can possibly get. I mean, they're just real people. I, you know, and I don't want these stories to be true because I want to put them at a book. I want them to be true because they are true. It's not that I want them. They just are true. You can tell the sincerity and the emotion you know a couple people start bawling. After they, you know, finally, they get the talk, and they go. Oh, thank you so much for talk. Oh my God. You don't believe how much crap I've gone through. Oh my God. They're so grateful. You know, to be able to just get it off their chest and nobody thinks, you know, I don't think they're nuts, you know, their husband or wife or family. Grandpa says they saw a Sasquatch. Let's have him over for Thanksgiving. Let's give him some crap. You know, that's not what you do to somebody who's had a life-changing event.

41:37 Well, I thought his number is probably still got a rotary phone on the wall, the wall. No, that's how do you want to hear their stories because some of those stories are going to go to the Grave with them. Yeah. If they've been ridiculed one time. Too many. You know, and you just, you just shut up. You just don't want to go through it. I'll just keep it to myself. I feel this because I too like we talked about before and the listeners have heard plenty of times. I also went through a lot of really cool when I told my story and mine doesn't have a wou aspect to it, you know my is just I saw this thing walking in the woods doing its thing, right? Scared the living piss out of me and that's it. And that enough is enough to make people look at you like you're fucking weird.

42:25 Yeah. And I couldn't even imagine what what these people who are going through this, you know, how cool it's above us cruel. I mean, it's nonstop. It's like you've always got that. Erk in the room who's like more like a co-worker. Hey Bob come over here by a beer. Hey tell us about that. Giant gorilla you saw on on your back foot and he's got well am I thirsty enough to go through the humiliation of having a free beer or do I just want to turn a walk away, you know, so you know, flip a coin, you know? But but that's just that's cruel. Yeah, it in the whole mindset, is that We are taught from the day were born, how to think how to view the world science, government religion, education the value from the time, your come out of the birth canal to the time.

43:22 You're 18 to 22 degrees. Again, if you go to college, you're handed books and you're taught how the world is. There's no UFOs. There's no ghost. There's no Sasquatch. Oh, wait, the government was lying, there is UFOs. What would get back to you on that, you know? They know these things but they don't want us to know and why what's the big deal about an Undiscovered ape. If that's all it is, and be a fascinating story, an alien living in North America. But once you get over that, what's the big deal? I mean, it's incredible and makes us rethink things. But there's things going on with these beings and they are beings. They are a people, they are, you know, they have a language. I Been made to see things that were not there. That were not real.

44:15 And my wife was with me during one of those events freaked her out to no end. But now she knows that I'm on to something because this is real stuff. You know, she saw me hallucinating seeing something that was not possible to be seen, but I was seeing it. She was standing right there. So it's a funny story, but the whole point is this stuff is going on and you're just told Told how the world really is. So therefore when you see something you automatically, fill it in with something else. Well, the guy in a Ghillie suit, it's a bear standing up. It's a deer standing up on her, hind legs, eating fruit from a little Hanging Tree. It's a guy, you know, somebody trying to prank me whatever you fill in the blank and if you're not really, really concerned about it, you just blow it off and go on about your way. And so that's why your initial reaction somebody who has no interest one way.

45:08 The other is just a discount it or explain it away and go go on and it doesn't Intrigue them. Others are going well. And that was weird but you still go, I can't explain it. You just you got things to do, you gotta, you know, a job and a wife and a kid in the house and things to do. That's not of no concern to you. Someone like me, I got too much time on my hands and stuff. It just fascinating to me, you know, and you know, I saw one disappear on my thermal camera one night. It just Took me from the ape only to the dark side. That's what we call it. But you know, once you see some, you know, you know, Jeremy you once you see it it affects you and you know that you're looking at something that doesn't make sense, doesn't fit in and I got to figure this out. It's been a lifelong Obsession for me. Be honest with you.

45:58 Yeah, it's okay. I'm going, you know, I mean, you know, you know, I had an event happened to me when I was 10 and that's when I kind of got into the the The, the Paranormal stuff and I was 10, I care. I already kind of knew that the world was not as they were telling us because I had seen an experience something. And when I first saw the In Search of with Leonard Nimoy, the the Patty film is my first, you know, initiation into seeing that I was going. Oh my God, that is freaking awesome. Yeah, the world is a cool place and so that I just always had that in the back of my head. But you know, when you see your experience something that's just prohibited You know, you can't tell anybody if you tell the people you think you trust and they dumped on you, well, your your silenced forever, you know, I mean and so my main thing with writing these books is getting them out. I want people to tell me the things they've seen, and if I get their permission, I put them in the book. They get a free book.

46:59 That's all they want. They want a chance to talk to get a book with their story in it, and they can show their friends and family. At some time, we'll see this. Bob Carol. That's really, that's really Ted and Linda, that's us, that's just your parents. We had a sighting and you know, that's us. This is our story and we've told you the story before when I was in a book. We're disguising their names because we don't want any bearish moment for you. Kids at school, making fun of you all that kind of stuff. We so we're being anonymous. So that's why, you know, when it comes into your head you just go that's baloney it that can't be I must have had a bad tuna sandwich or something. I mean, you know, I mean something's making me. See that? Because that's not real. It can't be real. All right?

47:40 Let a what it is, but it is. All right, Travelers. That's all we have for tonight. No worries on July 25th, we're going to go ahead and drop part 2 of Jacob myselves conversation with mr. Carter Bush hard and dive even deeper into the world of the whoa Bigfoot. We'll see you, then Travelers, have a good one. I would like to thank you once again for tuning into the infinite Rabbit Hole podcast, please. Make sure to give us a follow and one of those beautiful five-star ratings on your podcast player of choice. If you would like to join the conversation and stay up to date, on all things into the rabbit hole head on over to Facebook and search for the infinite Rabbit Hole Facebook.

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