140. Researcher Spotlight: Carter Buschardt 4

0:37 Welcome back to the infinite. Rabbit-hole podcast. I'm your host Jeremy and today we're going to dive into part two of our interview with Carter, Bush hard. So, get ready. You're going to join me. My old co host Jacob and Carter or a dive into more of the Bigfoot. Whoo. Enjoy everyone. I want to talk about another one real quick, this one, you actually start the book off with it. So it's chapter chapter 1, Bob, Carol & Ted. Now this one was why I left.

1:27 Yeah, this is in the newest one evidence of anything with three. I'll go ahead and and and tell you what I have written down as your summary here. Bob had a vision of a dream being in space and viewing the early own and ringed planets through. Yeah. You already know where I'm going with that, right? We come next week. Um friends. Yeah, and here's something I get visions. Once a month, maybe twice a month. I will be shown this Gully this long deep ravine and it could either be one of two places. It could be the place in Illinois, a leather, a little Expedition for BFRO and 2019 in Murfreesboro. And and and the place that I use here in Missouri one in Eminence, Missouri is another Search area. They both look identical.

2:22 But I am shown I'm going down this Ravine really slow but the, the landscape is going by much much, much faster than I'm going. It's it, but I think it's their concept of time their their time and space logic is far different from ours. So but it matches with Ted who was shown a triangle and that's in the book, I think. I got the drawing in here. Yes. Yes you do the first chapter, not your introduction of that. Unfortunately, this is a we're down to only being only audio podcast now Carter unfortunately.

3:09 But if you want to send me a picture of it, I can post it with the posting of this episode. Okay, I'll have to try find it lower anyway so no rubber. He he contacted me from a podcast and he lives Out near monkey mountain, where I've taken a couple of these prints in Missouri, and he was telling me and it's a triangle with three planets, the Earth, the moon, and probably Saturn, it's a planet with rings around and then their stars. And he is just shown, and he's kind of moving through this.

3:49 He's moving, it's moving at him and he's just shown, he's been shown this. I think just twice. And he's figure somebody is trying to communicate with him then all of a sudden they were getting glyphs. Left on the ground, you know, glyphs which are, you know, made with branches and twigs to delineate, you know, shapes the clips. And so they started showing up on the, on the side of the house, where all their bedrooms are him and his wife and their son. They have one boy. And so there are all showing up on this one, side of the house on the ground bones, driven into the ground and just bizarre. Stuff.

4:35 The one that's my favorite that they've shared is that he and his wife, they both work from home. So they have the option of just kind of hanging around the house, they have lunch together and go stand out on the deck when afternoon they were standing on the deck, she's at the edge of the deck and he's back, kind of toward the house. He had just come outside from getting some food and they see this shimmering. Predator. It's the shimmering glowing gelatinous Mass but it's a humanoid shape and its walking across the yard and she's going do you see that? And he's looking and he sees it from a different angle because yeah, what the heck they see, it was about five seconds and I've been to their house several times and it walks from underneath the deck.

5:28 Deck or from around the side of the house, they couldn't tell, but it looked like it came from underneath the deck. They walked across the yard past his pile of wood and then into some Woods. Three, these wild three seconds. They both are seeing it. Yeah, and she's like Straight-laced. She is come to embrace all this but At first she was like, I don't know what the heck but you know, I don't like this. I don't, I don't know what any of this is. This is, but now she's embracing it because they've heard calls. They've got handprints with the big waxy, you know, the waxy film on the handprint. You know, that's it. That's touch called Alba vernix by the way? Yeah.

6:11 Yeah. It's a think it's a Latin for sticky shit. sorry to cut everybody, we know you're good but you know but so it's like she knows it's happening and she's a very realistic down-to-earth person you know, and I've sent there and talk to her and she's like I mean, I want to believe but I just the way I was brought up and everything I just I can't seem to grasp that that could really be happening. They have orbs coming in and out of a pet door in Jackson with her cats. I've got some videos of that, just odd stuff, you know, structures calls, whoops. Voices they've heard gibberish.

6:57 Hmm. What do you do with that? In this guy? Is a former government worker. He's by the book. Rational he's a no BS guy, you know, he's not a BS or he didn't want any attention, you know, none of these, none of them do. I keep saying that just to make sure everybody knows that these people are quacks and nuts, you know, they don't want anything, they just what is going on. And so, It's crazy but you know he's showing this he's seeing this, he's never experienced anything like this in his life, his life's been pretty routine and dull, you know.

7:38 But when he all of a sudden experiencing floating through space, in this giant triangles coming at him and showing him these three planets you go. They're trying to talk to you. I don't know what they're saying, but they're trying to communicate to you, they're trying to, you know, and then all these other things, the glyphs and the bones being driven in the ground, you know, something about drops bones off and they have glyphs left. I mean, they're really some ornate stuff and so you just it keeps coming at me, it's and it's real people, you know, if it's I'm so privileged to have really. I just I'm so privileged to have the certificate keep coming. They're sharing it with me and, you know, he sent me about 23 weeks ago, he sent me a another photo of an orb. It's a video comes through this doggy door and Zips around the cats and their, the cats are all doing this, you know, where they're trying to eat.

8:36 It's at night, you know, it's late at night and they're not even awake, they don't just catch it on the camera and the warrant. So and the cats are like They see it, you know, and it's kind of zipping around messing with them. So, I mean, what do you do with that? You know what, what is, what am I to do with that? What do you do with it? When you hear it, or see it as, as somebody on the outside, looking in, you've had experience. So you, you know what I'm talking about? And this is real stuff happened to real people. It's just You know, I'm just constantly, I'm constantly flattered that. They're sharing it with me, you know? And I'm having my own stuff.

9:17 I mean, it's not like, you know, I'm just, you know, I'm having my own events, you know, with, I told you the one about me seeing my car somewhere, where we? Yes. Well, so, OK. Let's see, let's see if how my memory is here. Carter, you and your wife wear out investigating. Because she was, she was some sort of us. Skeptic. Yeah, it was kind of like, I'm glad you have your, because she sees all my evidence and photos people see me August spread all the desks and she's, well, I'm glad you got a little. Some she's being playful, and don't you get a hobby as you don't you patronize me. Some some distance ahead of you and she did not, she told, you know, our cars back over there and you both look back. She saw the car, but you didn't.

10:20 And then you are like, know, what? Are you looking at our cars? Met is down there. They Som something somehow. It ended up down there and she's like, no, it's right there. You guys both see in the car at two different directions? Yeah. Yeah. It is that correct? That does basically, Yeah. Yeah, it's so, you know, this Ravine that as my research area it, I'll preface it by saying this area. I can have something happen. Probably 90% of the time when I go out there, they know really, they are used to me. When you get out there, you get that sense of something watching. You, your the pair in the back of your neck sticking up, you know, there's you're in their living room, you know, they're there and so and she had never experienced that she was going.

11:06 I've had enough I believe Let's leave a like two minutes. Okay, I'm done. Okay, let's go as a no, no, no, no. We're just going to go down to the bottom, it's about a hundred yard walk, right down to the bottom of the Ravine, because at the bottom of the Ravine and around a curve, is where I saw that one disappear. When I was leading an expedition on my thermal camera about 45 years before that and so that pay my research area and that's what why I wanted to take her there. And so there's a big metal gate. You cannot drive down this Ravine. It's way too narrow. For a car. Anyway, I had an issue via silver SUV and so I parked the car there and we're walking down and every two or three, four steps. I'm going back, I'm going back to the well, no, you're not because I got the keys in my pocket.

11:50 You're not going to experience its and taking nothing's going to happen and she's flipping. Look the cars just right up there. I Shine the Light And my car is gone. Who wears the word my cargo. She goes, what do you mean? I'm looking right at it. You're shining the light on your car. Sit right there said, no, it's gone. Where is it? And I just turned just is a reflex. I went I shined it down to where we were going and there's my car. The bottom of the Ravine is impossible. It is no way. And she goes, what are you looking at your car's? Not there your, there's nothing there, it's just Woods. No, look at my car. How to get down there, she's going.

12:30 What are you? What the heck is wrong with you? I shine it back up there where we're was in a say, it's go. Look, she goes. No, it's right there. I'm looking right at it. And so I go back and forth about four or five times. She's going. What's wrong with you? You're something wrong with you. I know you guys are jacking with me. I knew exactly. Why not right away, but I knew that the Sasquatch I was taking her to show her and they showed me it was like you know, shove it up, your butt, big daddy, this is where we can do. You want to go show her? So this was an assumption on my part but it sure fits the narrative because, you know, and after about four or five times, I shine my light back up where the car wasn't there was and that's when they realized they were messing with me, they were making me. They were implanting Vision in my head of my car being down at the other end of this Ravine, which is totally impossible, and you have a term for that being Zapped, right? Yeah, Zach.

13:36 Yeah. I got my Carter dictionary here. Yeah, it's good for sound, or some kind of mental telepathy infrasound is, is a tone it's above and below the human range of hearing yolk lions tigers, Some gorillas dolphins, whales elephants, lot of animals use it to communicate. Actually infra is lo all true as high as the ultrasound high and for low. Yeah, so it's above and below the range of human hearing so but you know, they use it Europe, a lot to quell Riot because their sound cannons and they will bombard is crowds with sound and they've just tears your guts of it earlier. You know, when you can be made to hallucinate, you can also be made the shit your pants.

14:21 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The brown note in the name of science I'll be glad to take one for the team. We got a pinch one off of the wood just to make a fool of myself magic. Get Zapped by a Sasquatch with with the brown, note be right back. Did you just shit yourself? It was it was, it was a Sasquatch. It's a big leave me please. Human, you knew your true your car, but either telepathy or infrasound where I was made to see something.

15:10 And that's how they build. A lot of times people would describe seeing deer running, amok in an open field of they're just running around crazy. Like they don't know where they're going. They've been zapped with infrasound. They get confused. They don't know where to run. So they just start running amok, and they end up running into the arms of the waiting. Sasquatch, they Place their alleged break the neck, and they got a meal. And that's, that's something that even the Flesh and Blood Community has trouble defining that it seems that the woo Community can Define just fine as you just did right there. Is this weird Sensation that a lot of people report and actually this is actually part of my story as well, where these Sasquatch, just have this ability. To sneak up on a freaking deer and kill it. It like it's nothing or that the deer start acting erratic and they start running right towards a single or a group of Sasquatch and it its life is ended that way and it is extremely weird and infra sound would that would that would definitely answer some of that because that is something that has been proven on humans.

16:22 Subjects that does cause confusion, that's so cool. Yeah. And so, you and I did a show with the Russell Jones in Bride Keenan, you know, and they're pretty much a, you know, all they do believe in ghosts. Ah, but you know, but so, but that's their mindset. And part of it is, you know, he's a doctor. So, he's has a scientific. Upbringing or education and so science that Sasquatch doesn't exist you know. So anything esoteric it has to be it has to be provable and repeatedly provable when things happen and they can't do it with Sasquatch. Not yet, you know, part of science is also disproving and I think that's a lot of what people need to understand is like yeah.

17:14 Okay. Well can you disprove my theories? That's that's the interesting. I mean you you can disprove to me that the sky is green, right? If I say it's green and you're looking up there like no definitely blue. Dude let me go ask some people have them look up there and we'll see we'll see who wins this. This this pole, you know, but the that's kind of one way to prove your point and I think that's where the scientific Community kind of gets mixed up a little bit because they're so, so set on proving the existence instead of disproving the existence, right? So how can You disprove, the existence and I, I'm sorry, I kind of went off on a little side.

17:57 No one would hear what you're saying? No, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't, you know, there's there's no there's no consensus, right? No. You know, I take it to the point where science gets most of their grant money from the government Government doesn't want us to know. So yeah, you take our money. You say there's a Sasquatch. The checks are going to stop coming in. Whoa, what's my man? That might be enough to switch somebody, let's be honest. Yeah. You start collecting those paychecks? Yeah. And your pension, you know, and your reputation in Academia, you know. So, but it's crazy. So but, you know, when that happens, you know, you have to I'm realistic, but I'm also going. I saw that I experienced this.

18:51 Whatever it is, that's my reality. You can't take it away from me. You can scoff at it, and you can try to convince me, but I saw that when I saw that one disappear on my thermal, I'm watching for some lost hikers that were on our Expedition and it just, it was like a flash bulb. We just poof, if vanished and I went like, from that moment on I went to the dark side. Like I said earlier I know when I was with a bunch of papers that's all they believe was just they're just dumb Apes. They know dumb ape they can do some of the things that people are describing is just flat out there. Not just dumb Apes, you know, I'd love to be able to prove it but other than these incredible Tales, I have nothing except my personal experience. In my wife was there.

19:37 The one time she's going, you know, that was what she is still. You know, when someone I bring it up, she's like going That was the weirdest thing I have ever seen and she's seen go, she's a sensitive, and she is sensitive to certain things just seem thing she sees and sensors things before I do. So that's, you know, that was her way of convincing herself. I said, well, I can't believe in this in deny that. Yeah, her getting the heebie-jeebies. She's got Mo's when she's been in the presence of spirits. So you know she couldn't deny it. She just flat-out couldn't and she saw me and I was sincere. I was totally baffled for about five minutes. I was just like, how did my would you know? I used some very colorful language arts just like how did my car that just no blankety-blank boy. What the?

20:34 It's just hilarious when 11:00 in the woods in the middle of nowhere and she can go get it. She's you know you can sense their there and she knows they're there. She knows there's Something else for boating for her and it's one that I'm going to hurt you that this this is just the vibe that they have because we want you to know that they're here and don't come any closer, our families over here. So just so. But yeah. It's just what do you do with that? You know, when you run into that, what do you do with it? You can't just go. That's a bunch of crap, you know, you can't, you can't say that. I mean, you can but you know, I'm experiencing this stuff and you know, it My Witnesses or my habituation people my experiencers, they're all going through that stuff, it's just mind-boggling, you know, and a guy up in Canada.

21:25 David Allen. He's in that second book. thirty years of Indoctrination, by the Sasquatch with him and his father. thirty years and he fought it forever, and it got almost Violent or painful. And some of the things he had to go through because they, they were assigned to him, to show him the way, he's up living there with the indigenous, peoples up in the hinterland, to British Columbia in the middle of nowhere, you know. And he kept, he was just a party animal. He just wanted to have a good time and any time he had a clue or something or go bump in the night, he would just write it off as anything but what they wanted it to be. And so, but that's that's a whole nother show, right in and of itself.

22:20 He's 100 pages in this book and it just some of the stuff that he went through, just crazy. You've got this one, don't you? Oh yeah, I got it right here. Yeah, but the one that got me and this is a nice tie-in. Okay, this this log here, Olivia Expedition. There's 2019 I had For people. And this is right when right before covid. It was a, the expedition was scheduled with another researcher and he canceled had to cancel at the last minute for some family problems or something. So they had to cancel the Expedition. Well, these four people said you got my money.

23:00 I don't want my money back. I want to go on an expedition so they sent out an all-points. Bulletin and researchers want to do an expedition in Illinois, that's only 350 miles away from me. I said, well, you know, I've got a good buddy that lives there. My Sasquatch partner Harold lives in Murfreesboro, and so I said, I'll go what the heck? And so long story short, we, there's only four people myself makes five and Harold was there. He makes six Because He Lives real close. So I went to the mom and pop cafes because Wes what I normally do and I'm scouting an area for an expedition. I go to the little mom-and-pop, places work everybody, their mother.

23:43 It meets and everybody tells everybody stories and everybody knows everybody and that's how you find out, you know, they all look at you when you walk in and because they will know your stranger, you're sitting here, you're not from here, are you? So I go in and I asked, you know, say hey, I'm looking there. Already knew who I was as I'm looking for a place that's kind of active for Sasquatch. Does anybody have any ideas? Well, not really, but I'll tell you place, you don't want to go. Here's, you know, there's some spooky stuff going on there, nobody, but nobody goes there after night. It is Hunter, and the town will not go there at night. There's a weird stuff going there, nobody goes there. Well, thank you.

24:25 That's where I'm going to like, that's like you don't tell me that's where I can't go. That's where I don't want to go because that's where I'm going. So there's a history with the Trail of Tears, you know, that's where a lot of Native Americans died when they were doing the March. The acara line has all the way across to the west and so 90 for Native Americans died. At this spot that I pick, I didn't know that when I picked it, but I found out later. So anyway, we had a very Successful Expedition. We got about a half a dozen Footprints. Very nice Footprints of people were really happy with that. We had some activity. We went down at night and Harold could not go with us because he's had a stroke in cancer.

25:10 And so he can't do uneven terrain at all and this is a downhill slope just like my one in the Ravine. Yeah. And so he stayed in. His truck in the parking lot. While I took the for expeditioners down and we had they were throwing a little sticks and Pebbles at us. They were following as we're doing this deep ravine. And up on top, you could hear them walking along and watching this and, you know, bipedal walking, heavy footfall, snapping Twigs, breaking branches. You know, it's just plowing through the underbrush and all that is dark at night and all that kind of stuff. So we had some really interesting activity, I could not get them to interact with this, that was the weird part of couldn't get them.

25:52 To interact with this by, you know, a grunter whoopee-doo Loop and return. They just would not communicate, probably. Because then I wonder who he's crazy. People are down here because the humans know better than to be down here because this is where weird stuff happens. There's the wonder who these people your said probably with their kind of thinking there's something wrong with me. Anyway, we go down there, we had a nice event for the night, we went back home. We went back the next Saturday night Harold stayed back at camp. Instead of in his truck because he was just trying to relax and you know, and so I went with the people, Saturday night was the first day of hunting season and it was October. So there was nothing going on.

26:34 It was dead because there was gunfire Hunters were up in the trees and stuff. All day, I went back there during the day, check on the print. See if they dried everything, there was hunters, will all over the place so it was uneventful that night, but overall it was very successful. So we went back home and That was it 2019 2020 hit, and I start writing my books and Harold and I decided you know, I want to go back because that was really kind of a magical place in the vibe there with the, the murder and Mayhem that had with the Native Americans added to the, to the vibe, you know, she was going to go back and see if it still had the magic because he lives there and he's going to go back if there is some magic, so we went back.

27:21 And we went back on the day, exact day a year to the day of when we were there the last time, like an anniversary and we went back and we walked down. He went as far as he could go and we decided, you know, this is cool. There's there's something here. This, this is who they should be good for another adventure down here sometime. So I said, you know what I want to do? I want to leave a camera just in case, you know how trail cameras are. You never get anything on them, but if you don't leave, when you never will. Well, except for the For the gorilla, very sensible finger there so that that one didn't get the memo. Apparently, you don't walk in front of a camera. So I put my camera by that log, that's on this cover.

28:05 I put my camera by the log and so that way I could find it and that that log is actually where we stopped the year. Before on the night, Ops we stop there because they didn't want to go any further because one of the women was kind of freaking out a little bit with all the The activity. And so we didn't go because I didn't want her running amok and, you know, just panicking and running off what she might have done. So, anyway, I left I left my camera by this law. So we left there about 2:00 in the afternoon, it was October, it was covid. There was nobody out in by 5:00, 5:30 is getting dark, so there's nobody out and then we was, we saw 20.

28:46 People course, nobody goes to this particular area anyway, and which we never saw anybody there ever. I've been there three times. Never saw anybody there anyway. Leave my camera. We go back to spend the night at camp and I'm go back and get grab my camera on the way back to Kansas City. And so, I go back down there to get my camera and I'm looking at that log, I'm going What is Rocks come from? I just know there's nobody out who would be putting these rocks here and I was just looking that I was going, that's just weird. If there's nobody out here, it's covid. It's nasty and cold, and is doing. Whoo, wait a minute.

29:27 Wait, I'm looking at I get so I get I get kind of Misty eyed because this was them communicating with me that pointed rock is me before people behind it or the for Expedition, goers on the other end of the log is a short fat round rock that's Harold because kind of a short round guy. He was there but wasn't there? Yeah it was it was you know and I Could have just seen that and gone. Well, maybe I just didn't see it yesterday, but that was not there. It was not there. And it is in that that pointed rock is what told me? I'm the leader. I'm leading the Expedition and there's four rocks behind me. Those are the four people.

30:12 I was just, I was going eight crazy. No, pun intended. I was just you know this oh my God, I can't believe it. Oh, oh shit. You know it's a so I called my wife and I'm telling her I said this is with Orb thing happened the night before she said, what time did it happen? And I told her. Well, I don't know, exactly. But we left here at 2:00 and it got dark. So it had to have been probably sometime after dark. I mean, I don't know well last night. Before you went to bed, I was going to bed in an orb come flying into the bedroom. We've never had an organ a house ever. If we told you that story about the oral, yeah, that was them going. I know where you live.

30:54 Gotcha. And we're friends, you know, your we're friends now. And since 2019, I've started a list of all the weird things that are happening in our house. Voices. Someone calling our name was watching TV with my wife. One night. Something tap me on my head three times. I'm sitting on the sofa with my wife. Did you do that? Do what? You know, she's got her phone. She's got our fire and we're watching TV. She's like media Queen. She's gone. She's not even paying attention to anything, so I didn't do that. What are you talking about? I said, we're something just tapped me on the head. The next night we were watching TV, the TV goes off on our coffee, table is the remote.

31:44 It Jules just a little bit in the TV goes off. I can hear it. Kind of got out of rattling. All the would somebody push the button and turned our TV off? Voices, knocks on the door, someone pulled a pillow out from under my wife's head. While she was sleeping one night, something reached under my legs and was Lifting me up and carry me off to the side of the bed. All kinds of weird stuff. I've started, this thing's called strangest at home. It's a Word document 3 pages right now. All kinds of bizarre things, you know, lamb lamb goes flying off the table, a little small, little cheesy gland from Vegas, you know, and I'm just trying to think of all the things, but the voices, the electronics, you know, knocks something calling my name Carter Carter just bizarre stuff yet. And we hear this.

32:44 And we've had about 25 incidents there, communicated with me. And then, like, at night, we'll get those. I get the vision where I was, they're showing me where there live, and the kids are like, chasing bugs, eating bugs, they're playing with Uh, digging in the dirt and couple of adults are just laying around and they're showing me like a day. In the life, I get these things in my head, I'm not stoned, I'm not crazy. You know? And we both meditate we're taipei's and so we kind of meditate to get hits calm down because we the day is always rattling around in your head. So as I get into that transitional, you know, sleep mode. That's when I'm start seeing these things in the coming at me. I'll see 45 faces, they're all Of like kind of looking like they're all looking into a camera lens and they're all trying to get their all squeezing into. Look at each other and look at me and they're all trying to squeeze into this one little space apparently. It's like a portal or something where they all have to get in one spot to where they can see me just bizarre stuff, but it's happening, you know, and I just accepted it. I said, well, thanks and I even asked him what time is this? This doesn't look like my Missouri. Is this your home?

33:59 And they said home. This is home. What. Okay, cool. So that they're showing me like a day in the life. Bizarre. Yeah. But you know, I've got people telling me the same things, you know, my, my guy with the, the triangle, with the three planets, you know, all of that, he seeing things, they're communicating with him, they're showing him something, they want him to focus on, they're showing me where they live a day in the life. I've had this happen probably somewhere in a seven to ten times over three years. Okay, I've lost track of some of the things that, you know, I could look it up. But I mean, there's some of the things that are going on. I can't remember some of them door opening and closing you know, tapping on a window lights flickering but you some of that really sounds like Poltergeist stuff, you know? I mean it does have like Poltergeist but if they're in here in a spiritual form that could be them, you know? But it started in earnest.

35:08 When I had that. Real relationship announcement with this, the rocks on that log. That's when it started. That's how I have to deduce. That that is them. Just let me know. We're here. Good, that's awesome. It is just yo and it sounds Fantastical you know in Jake's going. All right, get me out of here. Yep. Well the problem is is that, you know, I haven't had okay. So I always Talk about that one camping trip. I had up in dinky Creek, California. I heard the tree knocks, right? They're all around us. It caused the drunks. Like a, like maybe half a mile, you know, or so away from us in these secluded campsite stall. Shut up when the knock start happening and then the the yells the really loud guttural screams and stuff. Yeah, they shut up turned off their music, we heard a rifle shot and that didn't do anything to deter what was going on around us.

36:10 The next day, you know, keep in mind, the whole area was super Dusty. And I mean, because it was just bone dry up there, right? But there is a huge footprint behind my tent and I sent Jeremy a picture of it. And sure enough, you know, we had six kids with us, like, you know, ten and under so over there looking for other Footprints. But in the middle of, we're all of our tents are set up there. Just kicking up all the dirt and dust and stuff. There's nothing but little Footprints over there. And then, on the other side of the tent going further, it just went straight into Woods, right? So we had this little like, clearing area, kind of had to climb up in there with your vehicle's, but it just like, so I had those experiences. But other than that, I haven't seen anything. I haven't experienced anything, you know? Like we woe or anything like that. I mean, like, I'm not going to say that. It's that I don't believe it's possible. I'm just hoping that I know.

37:04 Jeremy, never wants to have an experience with Bigfoot ever against because he watched it smash it a deer head into it. Tree. And then drag the screaming thing off into the woods. But I'll, I wasn't screaming after that. Well, it was a discretionary with its fact hanging over its shoulder, and then it grabbed it and just start smashing into a tree and then rolled out, right? Yeah, I know. He says it all the time he's like I never want to see this sort of stuff again. Saw it once and changed my life. I'd like to see that because until I see it I'm not going to really pursue any of the, you know, extra type stuff. Yeah. No, I just want to. I just want to see one straight up. But, yeah, I mean, you know, I very much enjoyed listening to you and, you know, yeah, it's just, it's you said it perfectly.

37:50 You said, well, you know, You'll consider it it's it's on the table. I mean you at least go. Well, you know, you know, people are having these experiences, you know. And you know, Jeremy's wasn't a paranormal thing but at least you know, they exist, right? You do you believe? So, so they're so least that Parts over with so you know and you may get yet you may see or hear something not for me or something with some, somebody else, some other books, some other video that pops up. Up. Wow okay that's compelling. I you know you know it makes you think you know if you're rational intelligent person was into somewhat of an open mind, even just a little bit, you know.

38:37 I don't think that guy's full of crap. I don't think she's full of crap, you know, but I can't relate to it because it hasn't happened to me. But once it does, it's all over, right? You know, it just takes one one thing and it just, it happened to me multiple times and it was just like, I was baptized by fire. I just, I had to see that they wanted me to see it, or I would just happen to be the random guy that did see it. And I could have been a neighbor and just decided, Well, this damn camera, you know, because I knew when I saw that one disappear when I was watching on thermal, you know, I wasn't stoned, wouldn't High drinking my camera. I have the top-of-the-line flare equipment. So it's a thermal camera, it's working. It just it's like a flash moment. Exploded fact, when I pull the camera way, I was just going right God?

39:32 You know, and so but It would take something like that for you, too. Consider things because it until I can tell you all day long. Jeremy can tell you. Anybody else could tell you all day long. I've been doing all my all these Fantastical events but until it happens to you and you're probably very methodical guy and so it you have to show me show it to me. I want to I want to show it my logical. Mind will comprehend it and decide if that could be something else or that's the real thing. And so until that happens, you know, but least you have at least an open. And you're sitting here listening to all this and, you know, and, you know, you made me, you know, say bad things about me when we hang up.

40:15 No, he's along the rock, man. You know, is actually really cool is that after, after Jeremy, and I had you on talking about your Enigma to book, and you had all the different pictures in there, like the exes in the tree, branches and stuff and, and the hoops and stuff. I actually went out to Jeremy's house in Wisconsin because I was considering moving out there, like, after I get out of the Navy here in about six months, It's plans fell through, but I hung out with him for a week and his mom lives on was a 38 40 acres, so problems. It's a spot. There's like, there's apple trees that are planted right next to her house and where they're actually totally ripe. When we were their kind of towards the end because there's only a few of them left on the tree or whatever. And they always get deer over there, eating all the apples that have fallen and everything, but he and I went back there and explored and we actually took like probably ten minutes of video on my cell phone because After reading your book and seeing all the different examples of things to look for, it was filled with that crap.

41:16 I mean, I'm talking about saplings that are probably 30 feet tall but they're completely bent over in their end. Their tops are stuck into the ground. Yeah, it's stuck. Like they're, they're driven into the ground. Yeah. There wasn't any something and it, you start to think, well, maybe it grew like that and then you just, you know, yank it and just a Springs up right? Or, you know, we're looking at it. And we're like, okay, here's the bend Point. How much weight has to go into this thing to bend it down? Is it enough for a tree branch to fall? Because I mean there's tons of that to right there was like this tree fell. This big tree fell and it broke apart into sections and then this one is just pinning down the sapling.

41:58 But then there's other areas where it's like, well, there's nothing Fallen around this. There's nothing pinning it down. The end of this tree is literally stuck into the ground. And this is also An area where I don't figure, there'd be a lot of trespassers for one. It's kind of out there and for to they got really good gun rights. So I'm just like, I don't think that would be a lot of trespassing, like, goofing off and stuff, but we had, you know, 10 minutes of just, I think we probably had in the ballpark of maybe 20 different examples of like hoop trees, X's, you know, areas where. All right. There's a big tree branch that snapped off up here. Now, let's find the evidence of another tree falling on On it, there's nothing around to show that that actually happened.

42:43 You know. And this is a very green tree, right? And so we had a lot of those sorts of situations. So even having that sort of experience of being like, wow there's you know there's a lot more to this than we're thinking and you know, this would be a really good area for that because there are some very dense you know, secluded woods around there with good water ways, you know, that sort of stuff and a lot of natural vegetation for like We could eat like apple trees and Barry treat it. Very bushes stuff. Right lot of deer, lot of Wildlife. And so we're just looking at where like and, you know, they get black bear all the time. They had one trying to break into their, to their McDonald's, in the family, you know.

43:25 It was crazy. It was all over the, the Facebook page for that town. But yeah. So being able to see all that stuff and then have that experience, so that just made me more encouraged that, you know, eventually especially now I live in California, my wife and I got a A trailer because we want to go and get those those family camping trips before we get kids in the mix so it can be a active thing. Like hey, let's do her every six months or every quarter type trip and, you know, get the kids off the screens and into the woods to go hang out and have fun. But we're we've been exploring that stuff we're about to go on a hiking trip this weekend into some like waterfall type areas but it's just like getting ourselves out there for the possibility.

44:08 You know? I So I want to spend time with Whitney my wife, but but also for the possibility that, you know, all these sightings that happen all over California. It'd be really cool. If I ran into one and I'll tell you what. If by chance I had my phone out and I was taking a video. I don't think people realize that if you're not expecting something like that, would be the same thing. If you weren't expecting a mountain lion to jump out of a tree in front of you, the likelihood. You're going to have a perfectly still camera and not shaking because the adrenaline going through you is s 0 is ridiculous. So yeah, I could probably take a video if I if I was lucky enough or if I had my insta 360 camera or something like that but I couldn't tell you that on its little Boomstick.

44:49 I wouldn't be just shaking like you're like a sapling in a hurricane or so right now. So yeah, I mean, but I'm open to have an experience and I loved being on this episode. I know people kind of give us crap. Sometimes I go why was the other person on there if they didn't say? Thing. It's like well I just like listening to having the opportunity to engage if I want to. Yeah, the sorting and you know and that's the that's the cool thing. So you know and you know, if, if you're in an area where you know, they're there or you've heard that, they've been there, they'll come to you, if you just you and Whitney to sit around the campfire at night, have a couple of beers and Cook couple of hot dogs and they'll come to you, you know, you can, you know, mentally talk to them.

45:38 Said, if there's a Sasquatch here, can you give me a sign? And I don't think they're really. I don't think they really react really well too. If you're out there whooping and banging on trees and stuff, respectful of their their area and where they live, kind of love this shit. I want to experience you. That's what I do. I don't do that anymore. Unless I'm returning a call, if I get a knock I'll return it to let them know in case they were communicating with me versus another member of their group or Clan. So, but, you know, if you, if you just sit and enjoy the night, enjoy the company of your spouse and just the, the, the woods, and the smells and all that and just if they're there, you may hear a twig snap. You may hear of snort or a grunt, you know, I mean you just don't know but it's as easy to have an experience if you wait for them to come to you is if you go out. Look at, but seeing all those structures and things when they're driven in the ground even snow, wait, does not do that.

46:39 That is an intentional act, you know, headed Neal 40, 50 pounds of snow on a tree where it just bent over, you know, you see that a lot, but that's usually a really big tree, but they're driven into the ground. The only other thing that I've seen quite often is that they'll use a law to pin it down when they don't drive it into the ground. And we saw that a lot. Yeah. Yeah, we saw that a lot in relation to it was not from a nearby fallen tree. Yes. So we saw ones where it was like, okay, this obviously this tree fell and it's snagged. All these little ones in the way and it's pinned. Mm. But we saw ones where it's like this log.

47:20 Looks like, it went to that tree but there's no way that there's a 50 foot or 100 foot gap between all these sections and then this portion of it. Yeah. How did how did that base of this tree get Away from where it snapped, right? It? And it's the part of the tree that's up in the air. Yeah. You know how is your that's your only answer and opposable thumb and some fucking crazy upper body strength. Yeah. Lifting some of these things. Some of them are, you know, 100-plus pounds, you know there. Yeah, denser wood. Yeah, yeah. And then in the first book I've got all those structures and stuff and some of them are so complex. I mean, they're not structures their art and like, I've said before the stuff that's woven in inter, inter woven right? That'll never happen that you could take. Five, take five pool cues or five yard sticks and throw them up in the air.

48:15 How many times are you do that before? They will land into an inter woven pattern you'll die they're made, they're made right? You know? Yeah and if they're woven and new, when you've got the different species of trees, you know. You've got an aspen of birch, a cedar tree right here. And you've got this really intricate woven structure that has an oak tree and couple of weeping willows in it. Weird that come from. Well, there's a tree over there like, you were talking. Yeah, there's there's one over there, but that had to have been carried over because there's nothing here. It doesn't fall into bounce, 50 feet, you know, it's made, it's made for a reason, you know, it's just You know, they're and they're they're communicating to each other under our nose. They're communicating with these structures. What they mean and we don't know exactly you know the trees driven in the ground upside down with a root balls up in the air. That's a serious warning.

49:16 You stay away. This is our area that if you ever see something like that, that is a serious warning. Don't come over here, not going to hurt you, but this is like our clan maybe the two clans don't get along very well. This is how our area so well yeah, let's take a look. See, you're observing things like that so you know, it's a real thing. Yeah. How real it is. We don't know. You know, I'm, you know, I'm telling you all these stories that people would call me with. I've got three calls to make tomorrow or call the somebody back with, you know, another crazy story, what's not crazy, you know, right? Why I was every one of these people they don't want to be known as the crazy Bigfoot people. So that's another thing. There's a stigma to being labeled a nutcase. You you're seeing these things that can't be Possibly happen, you know?

50:04 Well, it is happening. And so, you know, if you met some of the people, I mean, you would know as soon as you sat down and talked to these people, how sincere they are, you know, some of the have missing time, some of them see craft flying over their property right before or after a that Squatch event, not all the time. But just every nerve, you know, get a guy in New England states six hours of missing time with the Sasquatch event. Six hours before his name. That's a long time for that Library over there. Oh, I have I have quite the book collection.

50:47 It's I'm looking for a book right now, but it's not my big foot section. So it's right here. Stand Gordon. Yeah you're right Stan Gordon? Yeah yeah he's got a lot of he's like I have this silent Invasion. It's a great book, that's an awesome but I have managed. Some water is the Bible there? That's the Bible is some wild shit in here for anybody lives in the Stan Gordon silent Vision but by by cars book first. Yeah, yeah Miami. Yeah. But my guy in the New England states he is a Very successful business owner, he owns a computer company.

51:28 He makes software and he manufactures and makes parts for computers, you know, but they're really upper end stuff. He goes and lives in the woods on 100 acres or so in the middle of nowhere, because he wants to get away from the crazy Rat Race world, and he had a Sasquatch event one night. I won't bore you with it. We're running out of time, I think. But anyway, the he Barricaded himself in his very expensive guard, dog. That was not doing any Guardian. What's the? You know, you next to an album Predator, dog was snapped off. The he, we decided that that dog had been turned off because it was a very expensive, like, five grand just in training for this.

52:11 German Shepherd. Oh yeah. Now where he has to he has to say German commands to it, to get it to listen to a sort of training, dancing. Yes, safe words, kill words and all this stuff. The dog was just staring at. It was leaning up against his leg, like he was just, he wasn't himself, he was snapped off and the Sasquatch was walking toward him as all the workers were going home. One night, it was walking toward him and saw him in the dog Hall acid, to go live of hiding, the travel trailer that he's living in. While they're working, on remodeling his house and adding on half of a house. And so, he runs in barricades himself in the dog in this travel trailer and it's about 10:30 11:00 at night and he he's a Sasquatch walking around the trailer kind of looking in the window and rattling, the door and just looking in. And he's going, oh my God, I don't, I didn't bring my gun. What am I going to do?

53:02 So it goes to the kitchen finds a butcher knife. Do him in the dog? Go barricade himself in the bathroom at a 30-foot travel trailer. You know how the big that bathroom is about? Three by three. You standing like this with a knife in his hand pointed at the door. If you're coming in to eat me, I'm going to do it again. I'll kill you. And the dog is just sitting there doing nothing. It's like, leaning up against him. It's almost asleep with his eyes, open. All right. He wakes up at 5:30 in the morning. This is about 10:30 11:00 at night. Six hours later he wakes up to the sound of the workers. Coming back to work on the house the next day. He still like this six hours later.

53:44 He still like the same position. He was in six hours earlier, but he's completely refreshed. She's not tighter tents like her and sit there all night, like that. But again, six hours to him versus Sasquatch time. If it was Sasquatch It is an entirely different thing, you know. And so he had no explanation, he didn't even want to know. He has the wherewithal to be regressed hypnotically. He says in this was a quote. He says I don't want to find out I had a Travis Walton moment, I don't want to know who I'm happy to not know that I don't want to no maybe later but I have a wife, a newborn baby and one on the way I don't want to get complicate my life, a trying to figure that out. It And he told me the story and it's, you know, he said, I just don't want to know, you know, I've been hit not actually regressed.

54:39 You can you can get stuff out. You know, you if you've had an event you want to know. If you're one of these people, that can't be hypnotized. Well, that's too bad but most people can and said my wife can't be hypnotized but I went under anyway. So what are you doing? Something like that? This guy's an upper tier executive. He's got a million-dollar company. He's running and he just didn't want to hear it happened to him but he just don't want to know what happened. Other than the part. He remembers physically. See it coming at it. It was wasn't running after because I wasn't doing this, it was just walking and it was coming straight at him just walking in a leisurely way. The dog was getting his commands, and dog were sitting here doing nothing.

55:25 It was switched off. So, So that kind of stuff, you know, it's happening all across America and all around the world and people just started talking about it because there's too much of a stigma, you know. Karen, yeah. I'm trying to get these stories out. So more people will read them and won't, you know? That was a cool book you know didn't Grandpa have a story like that. Remember he used to tell us that story. Quit talking about it and he passed away somewhere right now. Somebody, you know, is having or just had an experience and they're not going to tell anybody. We're both of you guys know somebody. You just don't know it because nobody wants to talk about this stuff.

56:08 It's the dirty little secret. I know a bunch of woods people. They said yeah probably. No, but it is bizarre stuff, you know. And if it's never happened to you, it's hard to wrap your head around. Give me if you have an open mind, you do. So, I just point I just, I just don't know if I can do that but you know, it's a real thing. It's real plan. All right Carter it's been a pleasure, man. We got to start wrapping her up. Yeah, it's perfect. You're easy, it, you're easy to interview. We're going to do the same thing. We did last time where to cut this into episodes, you're going to You get two more out of us here. Know, it's been great, unfortunately. Whatever. Yeah, well we'll be in touch.

56:52 In fact, I want to talk to you a little bit after the recording. So, so hang by but Zen Caster, unfortunately, limits us at two hours. So sure, before it kicks us off and were unable to do our outro and everything. Before we dude you that do Carter, where can everybody follow you buy your books? So, where can they contact you? If they need that? They have anything that they would like to pass on to you? Yeah, my website is SQ. Explorer.com pretty original Hub, does SQ, Explorer.com www.desktoplearn.com. My email is SQ Explorer at gmail.com easy. Again, pretty creative that Squatch. And, you know, I I've got three books for sale, I'm self-published so you can buy the Kindle versions on Amazon but I don't my books would be way too expensive because they're full color and all that, you know? And so Amazon would sell them for probably almost double what I'm charging for them.

57:59 So but I'm self-published I do all my own work and I think I have a printer that prints and for me, but no, the very nice books so you can go to my website and you can order them off the website if you want to buy all three, I'll give you a special price. Just contact me with the email. Also, if you go to the media, Section on my webpage, there's 50 or 60 of my most favorite podcasts and I know you're to on there, but there's podcasts on there. You can just peel them off and cut and paste them into. Put them on your desktop and listen to whatever you want. We've got a bunch but you know a bunch of my do I'm doing for this way. I knew about 60 or so every year podcast, I love doing them, you know?

58:42 So that's how you can get ahold of me, you know? And I respond to everybody if you call me email me. I'm all over. You know. Yeah you don't hear from me. I'm quite Hands-On with all that stuff. So well that's awesome. I am also going to check out some some of that stuff on the website as well I can endorse Carter. I have all three of his books right here. All three of them are here. Thank you. And they are fantastic. This last one evidence of a name with three. This book is thick. I mean thick. Vic and you're getting quite a lot for what you pay. And I bought the, I bought these books directly from Carter and I would highly recommend you guys do so too, because the pictures, I every one of his books is full of pictures of everything he's talking about.

59:34 So it's not like one of those things where you're reading a book and you're like, man, you know, I'm visualizing it, visualizing it. But and these books you can see it. Yeah they're there. The evidence is there all the evidence he's talking about is right there, right in your hands. Perfect. Wonderful stuff. And I really like something else. Carter, I like how you take the words from the people who come to you and you use those in your books. I love that I love hearing it. Coming out of the reporting person's voice and then you have your Is in there, which is just fantastic. Well, thank not it works and you know and they write the book. Yeah, because I want it in their words. I don't want to say, well I saw a Sasquatch Thursday night said that I have to take that one sentence and turn it into two pages, right?

1:00:30 You know, they're telling me and their emotion is in it. So that's that's what I want is the emotion and the sensitivity and the effect that it has on them and their family. That's that's why. Why I tell them to send me a five-page email. I'll make it just send me stuff. You can't flood me, right? And then, right after that, you have Carter's breakdown of what they're talking about and he kind of make some connection with some dots that you may not have really thought about, and it's just awesome. Awesome stuff. Thank you. Appreciate it. No, I I will. Bye. Every book that you're put out, sir. I'll just let you know that right now. Almost are 14 books tomorrow. That's fine. I will buy 14 books when they Jake you got anything before we head out man?

1:01:16 No thank you for for coming on and blowing our minds once again. I appreciate it. Yeah and you know like I said you know it's crazy. I don't want to use that word to describe. Why? It's off the charges? It's totally Star. Trek dystopian bizarre, it's just like, this can't be happening. But it really, really, is it just, you know, buddy? It's a dirty little secret about just talk. If you guys like the stories that he talked about on this episode and the previous one, because we're going to cut this into two, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me with a lot more lot, more content in these books that you guys need to know about last. Call everybody anybody? I'm good.

1:01:59 All right. Well that has been another episode of the infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I'm your host Jeremy and we'll see you next path of the infinite Rabbit Hole. Bye everybody. Bye. Yes. A by Carter? Yeah, I bet I would like to thank you once again for tuning into the infinite Rabbit Hole podcast, please. Make sure to give us a follow and one of those beautiful five-star ratings on your podcast player choice, if you would, like to join the conversation and stay up to date, on all things into the rabbit hole head on over to Facebook and search for the infinite Rabbit Hole Facebook. You all know it's us from.

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