176. Fortean Books w/ Nilanjan of Biblothecarius Strangeoria

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Imagine that this line
represents a time in the present

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1985 Future Past.
Prior to this point in time,

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somewhere in the past, the
timeline skewed into this

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tangent, creating an alternate
1985 alternate to You need an

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Einstein from reality.
For everyone else, welcome back

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to the Infinite Rabbit Hole
podcast.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and today
we're going to do something a

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little different, everybody.
I came across an Instagram page

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the other day called the
Baroness Bibliothecarius.

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And you know me, my listeners
know me very well and they know

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that I am a book nerd.
I love books, absolutely love

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them, especially if they are
about the paranormal, the

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obscure, cryptozoology,
anything.

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Absolutely anything underneath
the Fortian umbrella.

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Well, I'll tell you what, this
Instagram page is exactly what

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you're looking for.
If you want to follow Books

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Under the Obscure again, that is
Baroness.

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Baroness under score Biblioth.
I'm sorry, Bibliothcarius, that

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is BIBLOTHECARIUS.
Now, I, I highly, highly

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recommend anybody that is a fan
of the infinite rabbit hole to

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go ahead and follow this page
because they do a very, very

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good job at introducing you to
some of these incredible pieces

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of work.
And today I have Nilanjan

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Dasgupta, who is one of the
members.

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They are brother sister duo who
runs this Instagram page and he

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is joining us from Asia right
now.

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Now he is originally UK descent
and I'm sure he'll he'll dive a

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little bit more into that.
One other new thing that we are

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doing today, he is on a cell
phone.

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So we are basically doing this
over a call.

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So please be aware that some of
the audio may be a little hard

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to, to hear, but just hang tight
and trust me, he's got a great

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story to tell.
Because if it's anything like

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this, the page that he and his
sister run his his sister's name

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by the way, is Marciel Elva.
So if you have any questions for

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them, by all means, head over to
their Instagram page and ask

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away.
They were very, very welcoming

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to me when I when I reached out
to them and asked them if they

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want to come on the show.
So without further ado, I would

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like to introduce you travelers
to Nilajan Dasgupta Dilajan, how

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you doing?
I'm.

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Doing good.
Thank you for asking and thank

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you for having me here today.
Absolutely.

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No.
It's my pleasure.

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I look forward to this.
So let me tell you how I

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discovered your page.
Yeah, so you actually follow the

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infinite rabbit hole and you had
liked one of my pictures and of

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course I was like, oh,
Bibliothecarius, that's that

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sounds like books.
So I went and checked it out and

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I was blown away by your
collection of books that you

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have on the page.
It is absolutely incredible.

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So I guess my first question for
you would be, how did you start

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this absolutely awesome
collection that you and your

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sister have started?
So basically this pair, this

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entire page in Instagram was a
passion project, but that was

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started by me and my cousin
sister who unfortunately

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couldn't be here with us today
because she had to teach English

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too often.
Survey where we currently moved

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over in Asia from the UK during
the COVID lockdown.

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So it was a passion project
because that we started during

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the COVID lockdown in our ever
since we were kids, we were

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always fascinated with the
unknown, with the other worldly

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things like that, things which
were which were not fairly

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explainable by normal scientific
means.

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And thankfully, I've had parents
who are rather helpful and

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extremely, extremely supportive
of my and both me and my sisters

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pursue of the subject.
So they provided me with the

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very first books about these
kind of topics, books which are

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I'm quite, I quite believe that
the audience over here are well

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aware of the things like Bernard
Evilman's cryptozoological are

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the books like On the Track of
Unknown Animals.

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Or.
Of the gods, things like that.

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So initially when I used to read
this these books, the first

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thing that came to my mind is,
Oh my God, they never teach

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these things in school now do
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No, incredible isn't.
It exactly.

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And the and the most astonishing
factor I would say, is the fact

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that the common public, the
average worker or people like

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you and me who have to work, who
go out and make friends, go to

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school, perhaps go out with
their friends after work to

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enjoy a drink or just live their
daily lives.

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They are unaware that entirely
other reality is moving past

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them.
Which would.

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Completely change their minds if
they would just look at it.

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It's quite humbling actually, I
would say.

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And dare I say it's a bit
trepidating as well for the

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common public because those who
don't know about it, I'll give

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an example later on as we
progress about a friend, rather

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refer to him as a friend because
even I have known him for over

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five or six years now, how he
his entire worldview shattered

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and overchanged in a single
night because of a single

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incident.
Yeah.

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So can you can you explain that
incident?

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Absolutely, it would be my
pleasure to do so.

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So it all started in 2022.
And trust me, this is an oral

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source.
He was the one who told me about

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this entire fiasco that he had
to go through.

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So this is our like,
unfortunately can't attest to

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the authenticity of the things,
which I'm quite sure many of the

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people would ask for.
So you just have to.

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I personally have just taken his
word for it.

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So.
The thing that first strike me

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was that this is not like you're
one of the main paranormal

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encounter.
This was not him mentioning that

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he came across a humanoid
Rectilian or flying sauces that

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he saw or some other cottages or
a shadow piercing or things like

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that.
No, this was a completely

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different thing and personally
something which I've never heard

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of.
So there there was this pine for

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there was this pine forest near
Taiwan.

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And my friend, his name is
Ashok.

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He's also he's of Indian descent
and he had he went there as an

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English teacher.
So after a few days after

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starting promise and everything
else, one day once returning

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home, he was with another
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Mind you see, they were just
returning home and a Jackal fox

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that is crossed their way the
other guy through US being

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there.
I don't know what crossed his

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mind personally.
Some people are just he pelted a

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stone at the said creature.
He just turned had turned and

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looked at him and yelled away.
Now The funny thing is ever

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since that day my my friend
returned back home as usual and

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the day continued as per as per
the time.

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The next day the his colleague,
the person who threw the stone

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that is he cared.
He didn't get even appeared to

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the school which they were
teaching in.

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And so my friend being the he
cares for him a lot.

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So he just dialed him up and
just checking on him.

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So he said that I won't be
coming.

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I'm just having a fever or
something like that.

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I'm not feeling well.
That's the exact word that you

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said.
I'm not feeling well.

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So I'm just going to lay down,
lay, lay for a while and just

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wait until the fever subsides.
So I feel a bit better.

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But things only got worse from
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Things only got worse according
to my friend, after the school

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he went down to visit him.
He lived here with a helper of

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sauce or servant.
We used to just look after him,

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just clean his room and things
like that.

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Even believe me, he said that
within the single night he has

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lost about two or three KGS of
his body weight.

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He was absolutely shivering.
He was absolutely shivering.

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He said don't open the windows.
The first thing is he said you

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should get get some fresh air,
you're sick.

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No, don't open the windows.
He will see me now.

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Now he's the frustration of
watch what will see you, you

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won't understand.
So this went on for a few nights

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and then the next night when my
friend over went over there

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again to visit him, he was
carrying food with him.

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There's some basically some
cakes and cookies where and some

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juice and things like that.
It's basically it's not

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something elaborate.
So The thing is that I I'm still

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giving Guzman while talking
about it because as I said, this

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was something which I have
personally never come across

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before.
This is completely unknown.

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I've never seen something like
this or heard about it in this

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matter.
So The thing is that by that

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time when he went there, he said
that he resembled more like a

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skeleton than a human being.
He was absolutely shivering.

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He was sitting on the bed
shivering and constantly

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jolting, jolting away from the
window.

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And he and the story concludes
when my friend leaves out of his

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house to chair to book a cab or
call it a car because that's a

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rural area after all.
So just went out to find that

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automobile so that he can just
return back home.

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He heard a loud piercing scream.
By the time he entered his his

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colleague was long gone.
Possibly, but the scariest

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aspect was that just as he
screamed, my friend started

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hearing a word.
Jackals howling as if they were

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laughing.
Wow.

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That's the that's the last two
people.

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As if the jackals were laughing.
And the last thing he saw was a

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Jackal running away.
And he swore that it was the

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same Jackal that that guy had
pelted before because he had the

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same broken tail tilt of 10
designs near its part.

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And I don't know personally how
that thing counts.

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Perhaps synchronosity, perhaps
something else, because I

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remember anywhere we are here,
but no, that synchronosity as

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now it's been understood in
physics, you know, about quantum

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physics and all those things
these EDS and scientists are

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finding out now.
So things like those, they say

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that there is something out
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cannot happen or exist by by
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Something out there is
controlling this thing.

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And as Carl Jung or John Keel,
some eminent researchers I must

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say, have stated that perhaps,
perhaps so, God is a madman.

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Perhaps a cosmic twister laughs
again at the expense of mere

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mortals.
Yes, that is something that John

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Keel talks about quite a lot.
I know he's talked about it in

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Mothman Prophecies.
I believe he talked about it in

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Trojan Horse, and I'm pretty
sure he talked about it in.

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H tower.
H Tower I think I believe.

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Let's see here, I was trying to
find it real quick but yeah I

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believe it is the 8 tower that's
the one with the.

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Yes, I believe that book's name
is 8 Tower.

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It has a pyramid drawn on its
cover with an eye inside in the

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middle.
Yes, and it's got the prism

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colors, right?
Yes, exactly.

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It was published in 1965.
I must say to all the views of

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it, it's an amazing book,
absolutely thorough, and I must

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say that most of his way of
research, our initial views, are

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now getting reflected by the
greatest scientific community as

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a whole.
Yeah, I, I have been a long

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supporter and I have, I have
pushed John Keel on this this

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podcast quite a bit.
I know that Danny, who is an

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avid listener of the show, has
went out and bought pretty much

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all of John Keel's books because
of it.

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And I, I, I stand once again
saying that if anybody listening

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to this is into these topics,
you need to grab John Keel's

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books and start reading Very,
very good stuff.

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Very interesting stuff.
And you'll learn a lot about the

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ultra terrestrials and the
cosmic trickster that Nalanjon

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is referring to right now.
So you might be able to fill a

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gap in some of the conversation
that we're having right now.

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I highly, highly recommend it.
So how is how is he today?

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Is he OK?
He passed away that very night.

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He passed away during that
entire fiasco.

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Now whether now the standard
medical report said that he was

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suffering from an acute case of
typhoid fever and things like

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that.
But how can a person die from

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typhoid fever overnight?
Why would a person who was

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absolutely fine a few days ago
be scared of even sitting beside

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the window?
You cannot say that these kind

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of ailments, things like type 1
fever, yes, I am well aware that

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in certain cases, the type of
fever can reach the brain and

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disturb this horrible context.
They're causing hallucinations

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and things like that.
But that thing doesn't happen

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overnight.
My basic medical knowledge tells

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me that whatever that thing was,
it was not normal, right?

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It was not normal by any chance
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I'm sorry, I do have a few
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extremely interesting.
How long from the day he first

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saw this to when he passed?
As I said, if there's about

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three or three days, about three
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Days and you said this happened
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Yes, precisely.
It happened in Taiwan, as far as

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as my friend told me happened in
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And as I said, I don't have any
proof outside of this, but it

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wasn't a story which I
personally believed was rather

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rather unsettling even for me.
Even for me, I know, I know that

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jackals wouldn't technically
like they're not common in

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Taiwan.
I actually they're probably non

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existent in Taiwan.
But do you know of any zoos or

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our private collections that
could have had jackals?

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I I know it's kind of I've.
Never been to Taiwan myself, but

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as far as I know it's a common
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Is a smuggle in exotic creatures
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nation, you would have all sorts
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Perhaps if it ran away from an
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perhaps it was somebody's exotic
pet.

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Perhaps if it was a if it was a
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As I said, if I was there
personally, I would have loved

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to witness it all going down.
But then again, do I really want

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to see something like that?
Yeah, that's right.

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You could have been.
That's the main thing, because

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if what my friend told is
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seeing something so twisted, so
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I must say that it very it very
well challenges the human

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perception and will to its very
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And there I said that oftentimes
leave the survivor of the

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witness utterly riles up.
One other question, did he give

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you a physical description of it
like the color or anything that

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stands out that may not?
No, as far as I remember, no,

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no, he just said that if it's a
standard Jackal.

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OK, if it's.
Just a standard Jackal so I

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assume I assume mind mind you
I'm not saying that my friend

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told me that, but I assume that
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It would be having a dark brown
coat and tough detail there as

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per jackals look like.
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All right, well, I'm going to
make a call right now to anybody

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listening to this episode of The
Infinite Rabbit Hole.

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Please, if you have any further
information on what this could

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possibly have been, if you are
familiar with some of the lore,

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legends or the obscure coming
out of Taiwan that matches this

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description, please reach out to
me and I will pass that

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information on to Nalanjon.
I'm sure he'd be very

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appreciative of that.
Well, I'm sorry to hear.

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I'm I'm very sorry to hear about
your friend's passing.

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It is it is a very incredible
story though.

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Very, very, very interesting for
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I wouldn't say that it's sounds
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hearing that, my initial
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thing is not normal.
And if anything, my first

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reaction went down to I would
like to recommend another book

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in this in this brief moment.
It's the Great year for

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Encyclopedia by Richard Freeman
and why I recommend this in this

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particular topic, it's rather
relevant, I believe, is that

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many of the viewers would know
that in Japanese mythology, that

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is in the Japanese folklore and
even Chinese folklore and in the

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greater Asian, Asian continent
also that is away from the

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mainland and even the certain
archipelagos like Indonesia or

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so, there are talks that jackals
and foxes oftentimes have

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supernatural powers attributed
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Now, I'm very, very sorry that
you were aware of the of the

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kitsune of the Japanese with an
apology.

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Yep, Kitsune, that's a fox,
Yeah.

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Yeah, these things that they are
known to play tricks on human

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beings and they're oftentimes
very malicious.

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They would attack people.
They would devour their livers,

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mind you, and they often time
that now the most interesting

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aspect comes up.
They often time inflict serious

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illnesses as shown in various
Japanese mythologies and

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stories.
So perhaps we're seeing

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something.
Perhaps it was an incident which

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truly reflects and shows us that
there is more to mythology than

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we would love to believe.
So I, I'm looking at your your

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cover here for this Yokai
encyclopedia, the Great Yokai

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Encyclopedia by looks like
Richard Freeman with

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illustrations by Anthony
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I'm seeing right off the bat,
I'm seeing a Kappa, I'm seeing a

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Yokiona.
It looks like a Serpentine

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dragon.
I'm not too familiar with that

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legend there.
And man, I, I, I know what that

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bird is.
There is a bird with human

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hands.
It's called the Karasu Tangu.

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It's actually a sort of tangu,
which is half crow, half human.

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Yes, so this is the A-Z of
Japanese monsters.

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Highly recommended by Nilanjan
here and I just added it to my

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Amazon cart so I'll have it here
soon too.

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That's amazing.
So The thing is that while I was

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looking at the Kitsunello, even
after listening to his story, so

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I immediately opened and
searched the Kitsunello and

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something very interesting came
up.

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I would like to show it to you
as well.

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Just a moment.
Yeah.

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Just a moment, let me check out
the page.

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OK.
I'll just say, show it to you.

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Can you see it?
Can you see the image?

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No, not, not very well.
Just a moment.

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Oh, yes.
OK, there you go.

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I'm, I'm.
Is that somebody?

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Is that a Katsuni?
It's a story about a person

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beating up a fox and after a few
days he dies from a fever.

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Sounds familiar now?
Ah, yes it does.

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Yes, it does so.
Wow, after reading this I was

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absolutely shocked.
I must say I was absolutely

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shocked that Oh my God, this is
actually just recounts as a

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complete common copy of the
sentence in which he relates and

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I would like to show the photo
picture again just for

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confirmation.
Here you can see the person

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beating up the fox.
There it is.

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He's beating him up for this
trip and just a few days later,

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he's a goner.
Wow, very interesting stuff.

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How far are you away from
Taiwan?

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Well, currently I'm, as I said,
I'm in Darjeeling in India.

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So it's quite a bit, quite a bit
of a distance.

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OK, so quite a way.
Got it.

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Wow, Very, very interesting.
Good stuff.

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Very, very good.
So let's let's let's revert back

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to the topic of your Instagram
page for a little while, because

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that's that's why I reached out
to you, right?

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I'm just going to play fanboy
here because I love books.

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I want to get your thoughts on
some things.

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What is your favorite book on
cryptozoology that's not this

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great?
Yokai Encyclopedia?

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So there are plenty of them
actually.

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So it's very hard for me to pick
up a particular one, but I would

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like to refer a few of them.
Just a few of them.

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Yeah.
Starting with Cryptozoology A-Z

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by Lorraine Coleman, it's an
absolute most year into

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cryptozoology.
The second one would be The

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Cryptozoology Encyclopedia by
Michael Newton by the late

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Michael Newton, I must say he's
sadly passed away a few years

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ago.
And the next one would be by all

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the I could say that all the
works of Kalpi and Shukar is

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absolutely flawless whilst it
comes to scripture zoology.

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But the one which I personally
like the best is Unknown Animals

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by Kalpi and Shukar.
Lesser known unknown animals.

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Yes, very very good book as
well.

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And another one that there is if
the person likes a bit more,

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wants to introduce their kids or
younger readers into the set

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subject.
Another great book is the Wiser

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series for children.
They have an entire encyclopedia

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curated for lesser for younger
adults.

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So people below were 14 or 15
years of age.

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So they would absolutely love
the illustrations over there.

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The Wiser Field Guide to
Cryptozoology.

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So yeah, those were, those are
absolute masses, I must say,

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because they are absolutely
amazing.

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The information there is
flawless, and another one there

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is, which is a bit lesser known
is Mirabilis, again by Doctor PN

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Shukar.
Mirabilis.

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Why I'm recommending Mirabilis
because it has a crypt Cryptid

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which is rather close to my
heart because I had some

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personal, personal history I
must say.

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But that particular Cryptid?
That Cryptid is the Megalodapis

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edvorsis, or the giant lemur
from Malaga, Madagascar.

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Yes, wow.
That is awesome because we it's,

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it's, it's very rare that I meet
somebody that has in depth

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knowledge about cryptozoology.
And I haven't since I've been

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doing this podcast, I haven't
heard anybody refer to that.

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That is amazing.
Thank you so much that gosh, I

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can't remember the book I was
reading.

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I was reading something.
It's over here somewhere.

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I believe that the book which
you're.

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Referring to just a hunch, the
best one about Madagascar by

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Malaga in Malagasic cryptids is
Doctor P and Shukar's Mirabilis.

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It has a cover of various as if
it's a circus display with

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various cryptids in various
cages and everything else in

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displays.
That sounds you said shukar.

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I do have a couple shukar here.
Doctor Karl P and Shukar I.

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I can't, I can't find it right
now, but that it's probably

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exactly the same book that I
have.

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I, I lose track of, of the books
I have because I have so many of

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them.
It's kind of embarrassing

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sometimes.
All right, So what about you?

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You had mentioned before we
started that you're also not

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just into the paranormal, but
you're also into a lot of the

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internal stuff, some of the
stuff having to deal with

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psyche, like near death
experiences and deja vu and

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stuff, correct?
Precisely.

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So.
Apart from the paranormal, I I

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have a massive collection of
books that deals with emergent

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technologies.
Technologies that were that

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previously seemed like they
belong in science fiction.

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If we're talking about time
crystals, quantum computers,

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cybernetic organisms, nanobu,
nano machines, things like full

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brain modulation, brain
enhancements, which now Elon

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Musk has proved to be very real
by neural link and things like

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that.
All sorts and all forms of

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technological advancements and
gadgets, genetical manipulation

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as well.
We now know that we can bring

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back long extinct creatures as
we speak.

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Right now there is a dedicated
team of scientists trying to

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bring back the thylacine, the
woolly mammoth, the dodo, and

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recently we even have things go
belong and people bringing back

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the bus card and things like
those.

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So just imagine, I sometimes
just sit back after reading

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these books and just for a brief
moment look up, look outside my

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apartment window and just think,
my God, what?

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How would somebody from the
1860s or the 1850s would have

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reacted to our current world?
Would they be scared?

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Would they be fascinated?
I think that they would be

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scared.
I really do.

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I I think that if if you apply
modern the modern world alone,

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not, you know, not even the
stuff that's that's bringing

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back animals like CRISPR CAS 9.
I I think just the just the

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modern world would be enough to
I most of the population that

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would that would be around would
be terrified.

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I I do believe that there would
be plenty of them that would be

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extremely interested, but I
believe that it might be more of

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an information overload for them
unfortunately.

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I I mean just look at a jetpack,
a common jetpack.

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How would the which we now have
the the UK Army, the the British

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Army actually is deploying jet
packs to certain infantry

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members, creating a special for
special force unit that

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specifically uses that set
device.

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Even invisibility camouflages
that the recently, only a few

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days ago, the Canadian firm
recently launched another new

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and better, better yet designed
invisibility camouflage, which

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again applies Maxwell's Law by
bending the light particles so

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00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,560
that the person who is
perceiving it doesn't doesn't

453
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,880
see the thing that's behind.
It so.

454
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,680
How would something like this
appear to say you're

455
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,400
run-of-the-mill die from 1860s
London?

456
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,160
How would they see it?
Wouldn't it be like magic?

457
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,880
Would it actually terrify them?
I would say.

458
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,760
I think so.
I think so.

459
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,360
I think like you just said
there, I think a lot of it would

460
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:18,480
be looked at as magic and it
would be viewed more on the evil

461
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,000
side of things than anything.
Perhaps it brings us to that old

462
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,520
saying that Arthur C Clarke,
another one of my other

463
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,800
individuals who initially was a
skeptic of various things like

464
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,800
this, but later turned into a
believer when various things

465
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,320
that he witnessed came here,
came to you like this one, this

466
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,960
book, particularly over here by
him, which I grabbed today.

467
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,520
So he he's attributed for saying
a very famous quote, which I'm

468
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,880
with your permission, which
which I would like to share.

469
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,560
So he said that any, any the
unknown unseemingly technology

470
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,080
which is where very modern would
appear as magic to someone who

471
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,320
doesn't know about it.
So what's the name of that book

472
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,720
right there?
So any listeners could this one?

473
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,800
Over Here was a rather old book.
It was published in say, 1972, I

474
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,920
believe so this one is called
The Mysterious World by Arthur C

475
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,160
Clarke.
It was this book over here is

476
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,600
actually the it's based off ATV
show that ran in the that was

477
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,040
broadcasted by the BBC age in
that same year.

478
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,360
And it was quite of a modest
success back there in the UK, so

479
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,000
much so that an entire
generation was turned into these

480
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,120
topics by this series alone.
This Unsolved Mysteries by

481
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,240
Robert Stacks, another one of my
personal favourites, I must say.

482
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,120
And there are several of these
shows there which which, dare I

483
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,960
say, which actually influenced
me in my youth to look into

484
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,720
these subjects.
And now looking back, I must say

485
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,720
that I was a rather strange and
a strange child, at least to my

486
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,760
peers.
And trust me, trust me that I

487
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,400
would say.
No worries, you're at home here

488
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,280
in the infinite rabbit hole.
You're exactly, exactly the

489
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,360
people we love.
I actually have a book by Arthur

490
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,320
C Clarke that I have.
I haven't read it yet.

491
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,600
It's just sitting over on my
shelf.

492
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,880
It's called Rendezvous with
Rama.

493
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,920
Have you ever read that?
Wanted it with Rama.

494
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,560
I think I have a copy of that as
well and I must say that and I

495
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,280
must apologize to all the views
over here as well because I've

496
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,440
got a massive to be read list
over here.

497
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,520
As you can see behind me, this
is just a section that is yet to

498
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,320
be read and it's just piling up
day by day.

499
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,160
Each day I go out, I see
something that attracts my my

500
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,440
intrigue and I'll just pick it
up and say that Oh my God, I

501
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,120
need to read this.
Yes.

502
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,520
I always forget that there's a
massive pile sitting back at

503
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,320
home that's waiting for me to
just start up and that has been

504
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,160
sitting over there since you're
who knows since the COVID

505
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,880
lockdown.
Each day I go and I find a new

506
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,320
book and just grab it.
So it's a new dilemma.

507
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,640
On my behalf.
I don't know if you can see, but

508
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,600
I also have quite the the
collection here.

509
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,600
It's absolutely amazing.
I must say, I absolutely love

510
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,760
the rack arrangement over there.
It's absolutely flawless.

511
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,240
Thank you, thank you.
I appreciate that I put a lot of

512
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:20,440
work into it.
Well, no, you're definitely

513
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,240
somebody that, that, that shares
a lot of the same interests as

514
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,600
me.
And that's kind of why I wanted

515
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,320
to highlight your, your
Instagram page because I mean,

516
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,920
I, I just found it what, two
days, two or three days ago we

517
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,440
started talking and so.
Yeah, give a ticket for you.

518
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,760
My, My Amazon to read list has
has grown by probably about 50

519
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,440
books.
It's it's and it's all thanks to

520
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,680
you.
So I do appreciate what you do

521
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,160
and it's nice to see some of the
books that I do have that I do

522
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,960
read that I do talk about here
on the infinite rabbit hole and

523
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,080
see what you have to say.
It's, it's very, very good

524
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,000
stuff.
So what about?

525
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,000
So we talked about
cryptozoology, we talked about

526
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,560
some of the.
Bring intonation as tiny little

527
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,360
things which which oftentimes
new, new people who are often

528
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,960
getting into cryptozoology get
gets wrong initially, a few

529
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,400
wrong impressions.
I would like to address them as

530
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,920
well.
So it was often, it's often seen

531
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,240
that people who are new to
cryptozoology, young people that

532
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:37,560
is, or even some fellows of my
age, they are oftentimes

533
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:43,040
attribute supernatural creatures
like say the Skinwalker, the

534
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,080
Bendigo, or things like that as
cryptids.

535
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,680
Well, I, I'm sad to say that
that's actually not true

536
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,280
cryptozology as Bernard
Hevelman's in its absolute

537
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,560
rawest form, that is, in its
true form, cryptozology is a

538
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,360
study of hidden animals.
So this has to be flesh and

539
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,880
blood creatures.
Now the now many people would

540
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,880
say that what's a Cryptid then?
Well, a Cryptid can be anything.

541
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,640
If an antelope shows up over
here in Darjeeling, that would

542
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,640
be a Cryptid because that's
outside of its natural

543
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,680
territory.
How the hell did that animal end

544
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,440
up over here that's technically
equipped.

545
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,480
So the, so the giant whales,
catfish in there's rivers of

546
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,040
Spain, which were introduced,
they're crypted.

547
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,200
Technically they're out of place
animals.

548
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,320
There's an entire section about
them in cryptozoology.

549
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,240
They're known as Oopers or out
of place animals.

550
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,640
Yes.
Apart from that, there's

551
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,480
another, the faceting proposal,
which many people will find

552
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,360
interesting.
And I personally do very much

553
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,640
because, as I said, the
malagasic giant lemur is one of

554
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,160
my favorite pictures.
It's the Lazarus taxa, or

555
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,640
extinct animals, which are not
really extinct.

556
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,800
They still lurk over there in
the depths of unknown forest

557
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,320
grounds just waiting to strike.
But we we assume that they are

558
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,680
extinct.
And finally, there's the entire

559
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,240
fiasco.
But unknown species, new

560
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,400
species, which is absolutely
amazing because do you know the

561
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:07,360
only last night I was checking,
we discovered 179 new species

562
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,440
last year alone and in the last
few months, 69 of them 69 new

563
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,560
species in the Amazon alone.
And these are not small species

564
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,239
by any means.
There's a giant Anaconda bi

565
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,400
species that's now been studied
to be the largest living snake

566
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,239
over there.
How could it be?

567
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,679
And how could we be so foolish
as the as the mainstream can be

568
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,360
so foolish sometimes that they
say that they know about every

569
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,440
single animal that's out there.
I would say that's an

570
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,360
exaggeration at its best, and
then pompous and pompous

571
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:40,320
arrogance at its worst.
Yes, it's absolutely incredible.

572
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,360
I I think there's, there's a lot
going on that the world doesn't

573
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,600
know and that's kind of like
what we've been trying to do

574
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,800
here on the infinite rabbit
hole.

575
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,520
We cover news every once in a
while.

576
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,120
We we actually are due for a
news episode here soon.

577
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,440
We haven't done one in quite a
while and that would be a great

578
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,800
one to cover.
I'm, I'm not, I have not really

579
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,160
dove into current science in the
current discovery of new

580
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,800
species, but that is a extremely
interesting stuff.

581
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,080
I am aware that nearly every day
we are discovering at least a

582
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,320
new species.
And like you said, they're not

583
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,000
always like a, a, a random tiny
tree frog in the rainforest.

584
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,720
Sometimes it is a giant snake,
right?

585
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:27,360
Or something along those lines.
Like, like the, the, the gosh, I

586
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,640
can't think of the name of the
of it, but there was a, there

587
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,200
was a, a form of deer that was
discovered a few years.

588
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,560
Ago in Vietnam.
Yes, thank you.

589
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,720
Well, you're, you're, you're
very, very educated on this

590
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,320
stuff and I really do appreciate
that.

591
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:48,480
That is absolutely incredible.
No, I, I, I echo your, your

592
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,600
stance on cryptozoology.
I also, I have a section back

593
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,280
here for cryptozoology and I
have a section back here for

594
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,040
urban legends and I have a
section back here for mythology

595
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,480
and lore and I and also spirits
in another section.

596
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,480
And I think that.
Particularly I'm I in spirits

597
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,080
particularly, there's something
which I would like to mention as

598
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,440
well.
So often times people think that

599
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:21,120
ghosts in general or spirits as,
as one said, these are just

600
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,320
made-up things and people just
often times just brush them out

601
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,240
without even addressing them and
things like that.

602
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,720
It's a common fashion for a few
years now.

603
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000
But now science is slowly
changing.

604
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,120
We are starting to understand
the consciousness and the brain

605
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,760
as a whole.
Only a few days ago, a very

606
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,960
interesting subject was
discovered.

607
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,960
I must say, the interesting
subject is that even after

608
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,480
dying, a person's brain is
perfectly active.

609
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,600
And another thing, I don't
remember the exact exact

610
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,560
quotation where I read it for
the medical journals.

611
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,040
I would be very thankful to
anyone who can forward me the

612
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,720
exact location of the of the
original scripture.

613
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:01,880
That's that a person after
dying, a certain amount of inner

614
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,560
weight is automatically deducted
in the person's body.

615
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,920
And often times mechanical
clocks and things like that

616
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,760
stops working in the dead
person's vicinity.

617
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,760
Another thing, another
interesting aspect of that is I

618
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,480
think, are you aware of the
doctor of the case of Frederick

619
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,240
Myers by any chance?
Frederick Meyers Is that the the

620
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,880
the neurologist who dropped into
a coma because of an amoeba?

621
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,240
No, actually Frederick Meyers
was the founder of the

622
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,440
parapsychology department in
London.

623
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,640
Now he was a skeptic.
Mind you, he was a very hard

624
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,560
line skeptic.
But after this person died,

625
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,920
things changed.
People often say a group of

626
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,960
persons are oftentimes channeled
him.

627
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,720
Now Frederick Meyers a you can
read about him.

628
00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:00,280
Another book I would like love
to mention in this part if

629
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,560
anybody is interested in the
case of Frederick Meyers is the

630
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,320
book known as Other Worlds by
Brad Steiger.

631
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,200
Brad Steiger very well known
figure.

632
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:16,840
I must say I love this book.
So Brad Tiger has multiple

633
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:20,480
multiple books on multiple
different subjects and he is by

634
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,400
far one of the heavyweights when
it comes to the obscure.

635
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,080
I I highly recommend anything
from Brad Steiger.

636
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,320
Yes, so Brad Steiger in that
book Other Worlds and Other

637
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,080
Dimensions, it's an old book, I
must say.

638
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,840
And but even by even after being
old, it's stands appropriate for

639
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,480
the current things which we are
discovering.

640
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,000
So Brad Steiger said that
recounts how people often can

641
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,560
channel Frederick Meyers.
Frederick Meyers described the

642
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:54,240
afterlife rather differently
than most theology or most

643
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:58,000
religions like to describe it.
He didn't use words like heaven

644
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,880
or hell or things like that.
No, he said that the afterlife

645
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,840
is like a ladder.
Each time our time our lifespan

646
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,200
ends in a particular ladder
rung, the per the consciousness

647
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,560
elevates to another latter step,
slowly going up to a higher

648
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,560
dimension, which now many people
would say is similar to the

649
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,880
string theory in which many
theoretical physicists apply or

650
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,840
not even even if not string
theory, the greater theory of

651
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,480
pan psychism, which now is
getting a major traction in

652
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,800
Europe amongst theoretical
physicists, that the universe in

653
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,960
itself is a living being.
And I don't know whether you

654
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,760
watched that show by Morgan
Freeman known as Through the

655
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,920
Wormhole.
It's an absolute classic.

656
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,880
Very.
I hope that the listeners today

657
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,280
are hearing what you're saying
because this is exactly why I

658
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,440
wanted to have you on this show.
Very, very, very educated person

659
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,480
You are there and you know, I, I
just once again, thank you for

660
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,600
coming on the show because.
No, no, I would like to expand

661
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,840
my personal gratitude as well
there because it means a lot to

662
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,800
me.
I'm a massive fan of the

663
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,320
Infinite Rabbitoh.
Absolutely flawless videos by

664
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,000
capturing information and
details that even I often times

665
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,840
use for my research for in
various books and things.

666
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,480
Things which I don't usually
find in books, I can find them

667
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,000
in the videos.
So I should be the one thanking

668
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,520
to have for having me here
today.

669
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,800
Oh, no, absolutely.
Very, very happy to to do so.

670
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,800
And you know, I appreciate the
the conversation that we had

671
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,080
today.
I also appreciate the

672
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,920
conversation that we've been
having previously and right

673
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,600
before the show, you, you had
some really amazing stuff to

674
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,840
say.
I, I, I, I want to encourage you

675
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:54,440
to keep going with, with this.
I, I also just, I, I, I really

676
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,920
want more of my listeners to
follow your page and I, I don't

677
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,960
push pages very often, right?
I don't, but when I find

678
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,680
something that I truly, truly,
truly do appreciate, I was

679
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,760
telling you, I was telling my Co
host the other day, actually,

680
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,280
there's a lot of pages that I
follow on infinite rabbit hole.

681
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,080
There's a lot of pages that I
follow on my my personal

682
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:21,920
Instagram.
I'm not a big Instagrammer, but

683
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:28,080
your page is now probably the
very first thing on Instagram.

684
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,840
Not to say that I'm not really
interested in other pages that I

685
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,800
follow, but I really do look
forward to your your submissions

686
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,200
because of your recommendations
in books.

687
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,360
So by any means, anybody
listening here today, you you

688
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:49,120
have my recommendation to follow
Nolan, John and and Marciel's

689
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,040
Instagram page one, one more
time.

690
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:58,600
That was Baroness Biblo
Biblothecarius, Highly, highly

691
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,120
recommend.
If you can't find it, head on

692
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,280
over to the Instagram for
Infinite Rabbit Hole and check

693
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,720
out who we're following.
You will easily be able to find

694
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:13,440
it there.
Nalajan, do you have any

695
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,120
projects coming up that you
would be interested in sharing

696
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,160
or anything else?
Absolutely.

697
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,640
Actually, yes, I do.
And I believe that it's

698
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,560
something which I had been
working for few years now.

699
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,640
One would be very much aware of
creepypasta or the SCP

700
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,080
Foundation or things like that.
Collaborative fiction.

701
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,120
It has taken the world by storm
ever since it has dropped.

702
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:45,280
So I am currently in the process
of creating a larger novel or

703
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,160
graphic universe of my own.
But unlike Creepypasta or SCP

704
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,080
Foundation, this will be not
based entirely on fiction.

705
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,520
This will tackle actual fortune
subjects, organizations,

706
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:03,520
entities, creatures, people,
objects, cursed objects, cursed

707
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,360
locations.
Here.

708
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,800
Everybody knows about Atlantis,
Lemuria, or Agarta, but how many

709
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,240
knows about Iran?
The foreign, the missing city in

710
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:15,120
the, which is oftentimes known
as the Atlantis of the desert.

711
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,040
Not many people would know about
that.

712
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:23,040
Not many people would know about
the the, the giant Codex Brexit,

713
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,560
the giant manuscript that's
entirely bound by human leather.

714
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,400
And oftentimes, no, people are
not allowed to touch it.

715
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:33,640
The Codex Gigas, the Ripley
Scroll, things like this.

716
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,960
Many people would not know, but
once they knew about it, they

717
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,920
would be very much intrigued.
Apart from that, secret

718
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,360
societies.
Everybody knows about the

719
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,640
Illuminati, everybody knows
about the Freemasons, everybody

720
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,520
knows about the Knights Templar.
But not many people know about

721
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,160
the 9 unknowns.
The 9 unknown men who were

722
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,040
selected to to be The Who may
hold information and knowledge

723
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,960
that that can help humanity
rather than destroy it.

724
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,920
So oftentimes we won't see, we
don't see the theme of a

725
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,560
benevolent secret society.
We oftentimes see them as

726
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,080
malevolent antagonistic
organisations who are out there

727
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,800
to harm human society.
But there are many secret

728
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,640
societies out there which are
actually doing the opposite.

729
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,400
They want to help humanity.
So my personal project which is

730
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,360
known as uncoded, it comes in
two parts, one where one will be

731
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,600
titled uncoded and the other
would be titled believe.

732
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,800
So this will be a large
collaborative fiction work,

733
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,120
which some other I'm working
with some other authors whom I,

734
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,680
whom they, they say that they
would not like to mention the

735
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,800
name right now, but they,
they're grateful and they would

736
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,880
like to provide their work
before mentioning their names.

737
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:49,560
So this will feature an entire
tapestry that would extend from

738
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:55,520
the beginning of human evolution
from the beginning the to the

739
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,560
current age and even follow into
the near future.

740
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,480
Which I've which is another fun
aspect because I will not be gay

741
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,800
just blatantly providing
information about would be

742
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,880
future things like no, I will
take the ideas from known

743
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,880
futurists like Nick Bostrom from
Oxford, like doctor, like

744
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:20,560
Professor Michio Kaku, like a
David Hale.

745
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,240
Persons like those who can
predict the future and often

746
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:29,280
times are predicted so with
uncanny accuracy.

747
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,000
Like Michio Kaku's prediction of
quantum computers or Nick

748
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,600
Bostrom's accounts of the
artificial general intelligence.

749
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,760
Not super intelligence but
general intelligence has come to

750
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,280
fruition in the last few years
so these will tackle these

751
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,920
subjects as well.
Apart from these, these will

752
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,400
tackle other extreme subjects of
reality like the multiverse,

753
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,080
higher dimensions and
everything.

754
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,080
But unlike to say the Marvel
multiverse or things like that.

755
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,560
I will not use fictional
accounts but I will use actual

756
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,000
physics models to create
different multiverse.

757
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,160
Now many people would think that
the multiverse is or they would

758
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,920
know that the multiverse is just
like the string theory or things

759
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,000
like that.
But that's not true.

760
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,280
There are other sets of
multiverses like the over the

761
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,120
horizon multiverse, which which
is just the universe that's

762
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,520
beyond the observable universe.
There are universes which are

763
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,040
often hypothesized to exist
within black holes.

764
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,960
There are universes inside
quantum matter.

765
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,200
Even there are universes inside
which can be created by humans.

766
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Can you believe there's another
book that I would love to

767
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,600
recommend in this particular
topic about man made universes?

768
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,920
Which sounds utterly ridiculous,
I know, but trust me as well as

769
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,400
we are seeing as the days go by
that many of the things which we

770
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,800
once considered ridiculous are
just turning out to be strangely

771
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,360
true.
So that book is known as a Big

772
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,520
Bang Inside a Small Room.
I'll repeat it again.

773
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,720
It's known as Big Bang in a
Small Room.

774
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,640
It's an amazing book.
It tackles the subject of how

775
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,480
humanity can create an actual,
Yeah pocket sized universe.

776
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,160
Yeah, the the pocket, the the
pocket universe is actually

777
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,520
something that I, I've, I've
learned is, is very highly

778
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,560
researched.
Also, like you said, you will be

779
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,400
diving into the world of fiction
here a little bit to introduce

780
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,920
the world to some of the more
obscure topics, which I find

781
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,640
absolutely amazing.
But if I could take a second

782
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,120
real quick and introduce the
listeners to a book or a book

783
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:41,200
series by 16 U, The Three Body
Problem, The Dark Forest, and

784
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:44,160
gosh, what was the, what was the
last, Oh, Death's End?

785
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,320
In Death's End, they talk about
pocket universes and it's very,

786
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,800
very, very interesting stuff.
The whole series is absolutely

787
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,600
incredible and I don't know if
you've read it.

788
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,320
I don't know if you're into
fiction books, but the Three

789
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,040
Body Problem series is just mind
blowing.

790
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,400
By far one of my absolute
favorite fictional series I've

791
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,080
ever read.
The 4th book is written by a

792
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,880
different author.
It's called The Redemption of

793
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:17,320
Time and it's personally I do
not believe it's on the same

794
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,240
tier as the 1st. 3 by 6 in you.
But these these books are

795
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:26,520
written by a Chinese author and
translated to English here in

796
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,120
the United States.
So some of it some of it is a

797
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,200
little strange to read because
the the translations don't work

798
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,720
very well.
But it's very, very minute.

799
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,480
You don't you don't really even
notice it if you're reading

800
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,640
through.
But yeah, so Nalajan, very

801
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,200
exciting stuff that you have
coming up.

802
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,480
And I, I, I like what you're
doing.

803
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,560
I like everything.
I, I like the, the Instagram

804
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,640
page.
I like the idea of introducing

805
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,000
people to some of these
extremely obscure topics that

806
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,040
are actually taking place in the
world around us with a lot of

807
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,720
people not realizing it.
And I think it's a very, very,

808
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:11,600
very good way to introduce these
topics to the world.

809
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,600
So my hat's off to you, Sir.
No, no, I'm just merely doing

810
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,440
this because I personally
believe that people have a right

811
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,960
to know.
Everybody has a complete right

812
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,880
to knowledge.
Knowledge should never be

813
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,680
hidden.
Knowledge should be available to

814
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,920
all you know.
So I would like to share a

815
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,840
personal personal incident.
When I was a child, my father

816
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,880
often often time told me a
certain consequence.

817
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,440
He said that a book that belongs
in a person's hand, not in the

818
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,800
stand, not in the library, it
belongs in a person's hand.

819
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,840
It's deserved to be read.
It deserved to be loved.

820
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,160
It deserves to be understood.
Every word inside a book

821
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,280
deserves to be to be known by
everyone else out there.

822
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,880
It doesn't deserve to just sit
in a just sit in a shelf and

823
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,800
just collect dust.
It's deserved to be known.

824
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,280
That's what I'm trying to do and
hopefully God knows I'll put my

825
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,160
effort and just to see if
everything becomes successful or

826
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,040
not.
Very good, very good.

827
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,400
Well, we're going to go ahead
and wrap up here.

828
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,040
Do you have any other platforms
that you guys are currently

829
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,080
working off of or is it just the
Instagram page not?

830
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,880
Currently we're just doing it on
Instagram, but me and my sister,

831
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,440
we actually plan on creating a
Twitter handle which will act as

832
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,200
a new source of sorts, which
will present news formats,

833
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,720
research papers, latest news,
latest podcast, latest in books

834
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,840
and things like that.
It's a it's a mixed bag really,

835
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,760
of things, of obscure things and
other worldly things with

836
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,200
information and with the actual,
actual resources and actual

837
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,640
evidence getting posted on
Twitter.

838
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,000
Very good stuff.
I, I look forward to that and,

839
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,840
and the, the people who are
interested in following that can

840
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,480
pay attention to your Instagram.
I'm sure there will be an

841
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,200
announcement there for them to
be able to migrate over to

842
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,440
Twitter for you.
All right.

843
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,960
Well, Nilanjan, thank you very
much.

844
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,960
This was very, very good.
And I, I, I do appreciate you

845
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,440
coming on for the first time
that we ever highlighted a

846
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,920
social media page.
The plea, the pleasure was all

847
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,640
mine.
It's an extreme honor and for me

848
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,480
and both my my sister, who
unfortunately can be here today.

849
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,280
But I must say that I'm
extremely thankful for the

850
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,400
opportunity that has been
provided to me and I'm a big

851
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,640
fan, as I have said before, of
the infrared Fabiol and I'm

852
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,000
looking forward to all the new
videos that comes up.

853
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,360
Well, thank you, Sir.
I do appreciate all of that.

854
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,600
All right, well, that's it,
travelers.

855
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,520
That's all we have for you
today.

856
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:55,360
Once again, follow Baroness
Biblicarious over on Instagram.

857
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,680
Very, very interesting stuff,
especially if you're into the

858
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,520
the world of obscure books and
obscure topics.

859
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,600
That's pretty much it,
travellers.

860
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,840
Until next time, I'll see you in
the next fork in the path of the

861
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,720
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00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,760
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