176. Fortean Books w/ Nilanjan of Biblothecarius Strangeoria

0:02 Imagine that this line represents a time in the present 1985 Future Past. Prior to this point in time, somewhere in the past, the timeline skewed into this tangent, creating an alternate 1985 alternate to You need an Einstein from reality. For everyone else, welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I'm your host, Jeremy, and today we're going to do something a little different, everybody. I came across an Instagram page the other day called the Baroness Bibliothecarius.

0:51 And you know me, my listeners know me very well and they know that I am a book nerd. I love books, absolutely love them, especially if they are about the paranormal, the obscure, cryptozoology, anything. Absolutely anything underneath the Fortian umbrella. Well, I'll tell you what, this Instagram page is exactly what you're looking for. If you want to follow Books Under the Obscure again, that is Baroness. Baroness under score Biblioth. I'm sorry, Bibliothcarius, that is BIBLOTHECARIUS. Now, I, I highly, highly recommend anybody that is a fan of the infinite rabbit hole to go ahead and follow this page because they do a very, very good job at introducing you to some of these incredible pieces of work. And today I have Nilanjan Dasgupta, who is one of the members.

2:04 They are brother sister duo who runs this Instagram page and he is joining us from Asia right now. Now he is originally UK descent and I'm sure he'll he'll dive a little bit more into that. One other new thing that we are doing today, he is on a cell phone. So we are basically doing this over a call. So please be aware that some of the audio may be a little hard to, to hear, but just hang tight and trust me, he's got a great story to tell. Because if it's anything like this, the page that he and his sister run his his sister's name by the way, is Marciel Elva. So if you have any questions for them, by all means, head over to their Instagram page and ask away. They were very, very welcoming to me when I when I reached out to them and asked them if they want to come on the show. So without further ado, I would like to introduce you travelers to Nilajan Dasgupta Dilajan, how you doing? I'm.

3:05 Doing good. Thank you for asking and thank you for having me here today. Absolutely. No. It's my pleasure. I look forward to this. So let me tell you how I discovered your page. Yeah, so you actually follow the infinite rabbit hole and you had liked one of my pictures and of course I was like, oh, Bibliothecarius, that's that sounds like books. So I went and checked it out and I was blown away by your collection of books that you have on the page. It is absolutely incredible. So I guess my first question for you would be, how did you start this absolutely awesome collection that you and your sister have started? So basically this pair, this entire page in Instagram was a passion project, but that was started by me and my cousin sister who unfortunately couldn't be here with us today because she had to teach English too often. Survey where we currently moved over in Asia from the UK during the COVID lockdown.

4:14 So it was a passion project because that we started during the COVID lockdown in our ever since we were kids, we were always fascinated with the unknown, with the other worldly things like that, things which were which were not fairly explainable by normal scientific means. And thankfully, I've had parents who are rather helpful and extremely, extremely supportive of my and both me and my sisters pursue of the subject. So they provided me with the very first books about these kind of topics, books which are I'm quite, I quite believe that the audience over here are well aware of the things like Bernard Evilman's cryptozoological are the books like On the Track of Unknown Animals.

5:03 Or. Of the gods, things like that. So initially when I used to read this these books, the first thing that came to my mind is, Oh my God, they never teach these things in school now do they? No, incredible isn't. It exactly. And the and the most astonishing factor I would say, is the fact that the common public, the average worker or people like you and me who have to work, who go out and make friends, go to school, perhaps go out with their friends after work to enjoy a drink or just live their daily lives.

5:47 They are unaware that entirely other reality is moving past them. Which would. Completely change their minds if they would just look at it. It's quite humbling actually, I would say. And dare I say it's a bit trepidating as well for the common public because those who don't know about it, I'll give an example later on as we progress about a friend, rather refer to him as a friend because even I have known him for over five or six years now, how he his entire worldview shattered and overchanged in a single night because of a single incident. Yeah. So can you can you explain that incident?

6:31 Absolutely, it would be my pleasure to do so. So it all started in 2022. And trust me, this is an oral source. He was the one who told me about this entire fiasco that he had to go through. So this is our like, unfortunately can't attest to the authenticity of the things, which I'm quite sure many of the people would ask for. So you just have to. I personally have just taken his word for it. So. The thing that first strike me was that this is not like you're one of the main paranormal encounter. This was not him mentioning that he came across a humanoid Rectilian or flying sauces that he saw or some other cottages or a shadow piercing or things like that. No, this was a completely different thing and personally something which I've never heard of. So there there was this pine for there was this pine forest near Taiwan.

7:25 And my friend, his name is Ashok. He's also he's of Indian descent and he had he went there as an English teacher. So after a few days after starting promise and everything else, one day once returning home, he was with another person. Mind you see, they were just returning home and a Jackal fox that is crossed their way the other guy through US being there. I don't know what crossed his mind personally. Some people are just he pelted a stone at the said creature. He just turned had turned and looked at him and yelled away. Now The funny thing is ever since that day my my friend returned back home as usual and the day continued as per as per the time.

8:14 The next day the his colleague, the person who threw the stone that is he cared. He didn't get even appeared to the school which they were teaching in. And so my friend being the he cares for him a lot. So he just dialed him up and just checking on him. So he said that I won't be coming. I'm just having a fever or something like that. I'm not feeling well. That's the exact word that you said. I'm not feeling well. So I'm just going to lay down, lay, lay for a while and just wait until the fever subsides. So I feel a bit better. But things only got worse from there. Things only got worse according to my friend, after the school he went down to visit him. He lived here with a helper of sauce or servant. We used to just look after him, just clean his room and things like that.

9:00 Even believe me, he said that within the single night he has lost about two or three KGS of his body weight. He was absolutely shivering. He was absolutely shivering. He said don't open the windows. The first thing is he said you should get get some fresh air, you're sick. No, don't open the windows. He will see me now. Now he's the frustration of watch what will see you, you won't understand. So this went on for a few nights and then the next night when my friend over went over there again to visit him, he was carrying food with him. There's some basically some cakes and cookies where and some juice and things like that. It's basically it's not something elaborate. So The thing is that I I'm still giving Guzman while talking about it because as I said, this was something which I have personally never come across before. This is completely unknown.

9:50 I've never seen something like this or heard about it in this matter. So The thing is that by that time when he went there, he said that he resembled more like a skeleton than a human being. He was absolutely shivering. He was sitting on the bed shivering and constantly jolting, jolting away from the window. And he and the story concludes when my friend leaves out of his house to chair to book a cab or call it a car because that's a rural area after all. So just went out to find that automobile so that he can just return back home. He heard a loud piercing scream. By the time he entered his his colleague was long gone. Possibly, but the scariest aspect was that just as he screamed, my friend started hearing a word. Jackals howling as if they were laughing. Wow.

10:42 That's the that's the last two people. As if the jackals were laughing. And the last thing he saw was a Jackal running away. And he swore that it was the same Jackal that that guy had pelted before because he had the same broken tail tilt of 10 designs near its part. And I don't know personally how that thing counts. Perhaps synchronosity, perhaps something else, because I remember anywhere we are here, but no, that synchronosity as now it's been understood in physics, you know, about quantum physics and all those things these EDS and scientists are finding out now. So things like those, they say that there is something out there that the universe itself cannot happen or exist by by accident.

11:28 Something out there is controlling this thing. And as Carl Jung or John Keel, some eminent researchers I must say, have stated that perhaps, perhaps so, God is a madman. Perhaps a cosmic twister laughs again at the expense of mere mortals. Yes, that is something that John Keel talks about quite a lot. I know he's talked about it in Mothman Prophecies. I believe he talked about it in Trojan Horse, and I'm pretty sure he talked about it in. H tower. H Tower I think I believe.

12:09 Let's see here, I was trying to find it real quick but yeah I believe it is the 8 tower that's the one with the. Yes, I believe that book's name is 8 Tower. It has a pyramid drawn on its cover with an eye inside in the middle. Yes, and it's got the prism colors, right? Yes, exactly. It was published in 1965. I must say to all the views of it, it's an amazing book, absolutely thorough, and I must say that most of his way of research, our initial views, are now getting reflected by the greatest scientific community as a whole. Yeah, I, I have been a long supporter and I have, I have pushed John Keel on this this podcast quite a bit. I know that Danny, who is an avid listener of the show, has went out and bought pretty much all of John Keel's books because of it.

13:03 And I, I, I stand once again saying that if anybody listening to this is into these topics, you need to grab John Keel's books and start reading Very, very good stuff. Very interesting stuff. And you'll learn a lot about the ultra terrestrials and the cosmic trickster that Nalanjon is referring to right now. So you might be able to fill a gap in some of the conversation that we're having right now. I highly, highly recommend it. So how is how is he today? Is he OK? He passed away that very night. He passed away during that entire fiasco. Now whether now the standard medical report said that he was suffering from an acute case of typhoid fever and things like that. But how can a person die from typhoid fever overnight? Why would a person who was absolutely fine a few days ago be scared of even sitting beside the window? You cannot say that these kind of ailments, things like type 1 fever, yes, I am well aware that in certain cases, the type of fever can reach the brain and disturb this horrible context. They're causing hallucinations and things like that. But that thing doesn't happen overnight. My basic medical knowledge tells me that whatever that thing was, it was not normal, right?

14:21 It was not normal by any chance whatsoever. I'm sorry, I do have a few questions here because this is extremely interesting. How long from the day he first saw this to when he passed? As I said, if there's about three or three days, about three or three. Days and you said this happened in Taiwan? Yes, precisely. It happened in Taiwan, as far as as my friend told me happened in Taiwan. And as I said, I don't have any proof outside of this, but it wasn't a story which I personally believed was rather rather unsettling even for me. Even for me, I know, I know that jackals wouldn't technically like they're not common in Taiwan. I actually they're probably non existent in Taiwan. But do you know of any zoos or our private collections that could have had jackals?

15:17 I I know it's kind of I've. Never been to Taiwan myself, but as far as I know it's a common thing in Asia too. Is a smuggle in exotic creatures and Taiwan being an island nation, you would have all sorts of people over there. Perhaps if it ran away from an enclosure, perhaps it was a perhaps it was somebody's exotic pet. Perhaps if it was a if it was a runaway from a zoo. As I said, if I was there personally, I would have loved to witness it all going down. But then again, do I really want to see something like that? Yeah, that's right. You could have been. That's the main thing, because if what my friend told is correct, then we are possibly seeing something so twisted, so utterly dark.

16:01 I must say that it very it very well challenges the human perception and will to its very extremes. And there I said that oftentimes leave the survivor of the witness utterly riles up. One other question, did he give you a physical description of it like the color or anything that stands out that may not? No, as far as I remember, no, no, he just said that if it's a standard Jackal. OK, if it's. Just a standard Jackal so I assume I assume mind mind you I'm not saying that my friend told me that, but I assume that it would be. It would be having a dark brown coat and tough detail there as per jackals look like. Yep.

16:44 All right, well, I'm going to make a call right now to anybody listening to this episode of The Infinite Rabbit Hole. Please, if you have any further information on what this could possibly have been, if you are familiar with some of the lore, legends or the obscure coming out of Taiwan that matches this description, please reach out to me and I will pass that information on to Nalanjon. I'm sure he'd be very appreciative of that. Well, I'm sorry to hear. I'm I'm very sorry to hear about your friend's passing. It is it is a very incredible story though. Very, very, very interesting for sure. I wouldn't say that it's sounds interesting because even after hearing that, my initial reaction was, Oh my God, this thing is not normal. And if anything, my first reaction went down to I would like to recommend another book in this in this brief moment. It's the Great year for Encyclopedia by Richard Freeman and why I recommend this in this particular topic, it's rather relevant, I believe, is that many of the viewers would know that in Japanese mythology, that is in the Japanese folklore and even Chinese folklore and in the greater Asian, Asian continent also that is away from the mainland and even the certain archipelagos like Indonesia or so, there are talks that jackals and foxes oftentimes have supernatural powers attributed to them.

18:10 Now, I'm very, very sorry that you were aware of the of the kitsune of the Japanese with an apology. Yep, Kitsune, that's a fox, Yeah. Yeah, these things that they are known to play tricks on human beings and they're oftentimes very malicious. They would attack people. They would devour their livers, mind you, and they often time that now the most interesting aspect comes up. They often time inflict serious illnesses as shown in various Japanese mythologies and stories. So perhaps we're seeing something. Perhaps it was an incident which truly reflects and shows us that there is more to mythology than we would love to believe. So I, I'm looking at your your cover here for this Yokai encyclopedia, the Great Yokai Encyclopedia by looks like Richard Freeman with illustrations by Anthony Wallace.

19:03 I'm seeing right off the bat, I'm seeing a Kappa, I'm seeing a Yokiona. It looks like a Serpentine dragon. I'm not too familiar with that legend there. And man, I, I, I know what that bird is. There is a bird with human hands. It's called the Karasu Tangu. It's actually a sort of tangu, which is half crow, half human. Yes, so this is the A-Z of Japanese monsters. Highly recommended by Nilanjan here and I just added it to my Amazon cart so I'll have it here soon too. That's amazing. So The thing is that while I was looking at the Kitsunello, even after listening to his story, so I immediately opened and searched the Kitsunello and something very interesting came up.

19:53 I would like to show it to you as well. Just a moment. Yeah. Just a moment, let me check out the page. OK. I'll just say, show it to you. Can you see it? Can you see the image? No, not, not very well. Just a moment. Oh, yes. OK, there you go. I'm, I'm. Is that somebody? Is that a Katsuni? It's a story about a person beating up a fox and after a few days he dies from a fever. Sounds familiar now? Ah, yes it does. Yes, it does so. Wow, after reading this I was absolutely shocked. I must say I was absolutely shocked that Oh my God, this is actually just recounts as a complete common copy of the sentence in which he relates and I would like to show the photo picture again just for confirmation. Here you can see the person beating up the fox. There it is.

20:55 He's beating him up for this trip and just a few days later, he's a goner. Wow, very interesting stuff. How far are you away from Taiwan? Well, currently I'm, as I said, I'm in Darjeeling in India. So it's quite a bit, quite a bit of a distance. OK, so quite a way. Got it. Wow, Very, very interesting. Good stuff. Very, very good. So let's let's let's revert back to the topic of your Instagram page for a little while, because that's that's why I reached out to you, right? I'm just going to play fanboy here because I love books.

21:38 I want to get your thoughts on some things. What is your favorite book on cryptozoology that's not this great? Yokai Encyclopedia? So there are plenty of them actually. So it's very hard for me to pick up a particular one, but I would like to refer a few of them. Just a few of them. Yeah. Starting with Cryptozoology A-Z by Lorraine Coleman, it's an absolute most year into cryptozoology. The second one would be The Cryptozoology Encyclopedia by Michael Newton by the late Michael Newton, I must say he's sadly passed away a few years ago. And the next one would be by all the I could say that all the works of Kalpi and Shukar is absolutely flawless whilst it comes to scripture zoology.

22:31 But the one which I personally like the best is Unknown Animals by Kalpi and Shukar. Lesser known unknown animals. Yes, very very good book as well. And another one that there is if the person likes a bit more, wants to introduce their kids or younger readers into the set subject. Another great book is the Wiser series for children. They have an entire encyclopedia curated for lesser for younger adults. So people below were 14 or 15 years of age. So they would absolutely love the illustrations over there. The Wiser Field Guide to Cryptozoology.

23:12 So yeah, those were, those are absolute masses, I must say, because they are absolutely amazing. The information there is flawless, and another one there is, which is a bit lesser known is Mirabilis, again by Doctor PN Shukar. Mirabilis. Why I'm recommending Mirabilis because it has a crypt Cryptid which is rather close to my heart because I had some personal, personal history I must say. But that particular Cryptid? That Cryptid is the Megalodapis edvorsis, or the giant lemur from Malaga, Madagascar. Yes, wow. That is awesome because we it's, it's, it's very rare that I meet somebody that has in depth knowledge about cryptozoology. And I haven't since I've been doing this podcast, I haven't heard anybody refer to that.

24:01 That is amazing. Thank you so much that gosh, I can't remember the book I was reading. I was reading something. It's over here somewhere. I believe that the book which you're. Referring to just a hunch, the best one about Madagascar by Malaga in Malagasic cryptids is Doctor P and Shukar's Mirabilis. It has a cover of various as if it's a circus display with various cryptids in various cages and everything else in displays. That sounds you said shukar. I do have a couple shukar here. Doctor Karl P and Shukar I. I can't, I can't find it right now, but that it's probably exactly the same book that I have.

24:45 I, I lose track of, of the books I have because I have so many of them. It's kind of embarrassing sometimes. All right, So what about you? You had mentioned before we started that you're also not just into the paranormal, but you're also into a lot of the internal stuff, some of the stuff having to deal with psyche, like near death experiences and deja vu and stuff, correct? Precisely. So. Apart from the paranormal, I I have a massive collection of books that deals with emergent technologies. Technologies that were that previously seemed like they belong in science fiction.

25:29 If we're talking about time crystals, quantum computers, cybernetic organisms, nanobu, nano machines, things like full brain modulation, brain enhancements, which now Elon Musk has proved to be very real by neural link and things like that. All sorts and all forms of technological advancements and gadgets, genetical manipulation as well. We now know that we can bring back long extinct creatures as we speak. Right now there is a dedicated team of scientists trying to bring back the thylacine, the woolly mammoth, the dodo, and recently we even have things go belong and people bringing back the bus card and things like those.

26:14 So just imagine, I sometimes just sit back after reading these books and just for a brief moment look up, look outside my apartment window and just think, my God, what? How would somebody from the 1860s or the 1850s would have reacted to our current world? Would they be scared? Would they be fascinated? I think that they would be scared. I really do. I I think that if if you apply modern the modern world alone, not, you know, not even the stuff that's that's bringing back animals like CRISPR CAS 9. I I think just the just the modern world would be enough to I most of the population that would that would be around would be terrified.

27:00 I I do believe that there would be plenty of them that would be extremely interested, but I believe that it might be more of an information overload for them unfortunately. I I mean just look at a jetpack, a common jetpack. How would the which we now have the the UK Army, the the British Army actually is deploying jet packs to certain infantry members, creating a special for special force unit that specifically uses that set device. Even invisibility camouflages that the recently, only a few days ago, the Canadian firm recently launched another new and better, better yet designed invisibility camouflage, which again applies Maxwell's Law by bending the light particles so that the person who is perceiving it doesn't doesn't see the thing that's behind. It so.

27:54 How would something like this appear to say you're run-of-the-mill die from 1860s London? How would they see it? Wouldn't it be like magic? Would it actually terrify them? I would say. I think so. I think so. I think like you just said there, I think a lot of it would be looked at as magic and it would be viewed more on the evil side of things than anything. Perhaps it brings us to that old saying that Arthur C Clarke, another one of my other individuals who initially was a skeptic of various things like this, but later turned into a believer when various things that he witnessed came here, came to you like this one, this book, particularly over here by him, which I grabbed today.

28:43 So he he's attributed for saying a very famous quote, which I'm with your permission, which which I would like to share. So he said that any, any the unknown unseemingly technology which is where very modern would appear as magic to someone who doesn't know about it. So what's the name of that book right there? So any listeners could this one? Over Here was a rather old book. It was published in say, 1972, I believe so this one is called The Mysterious World by Arthur C Clarke. It was this book over here is actually the it's based off ATV show that ran in the that was broadcasted by the BBC age in that same year.

29:27 And it was quite of a modest success back there in the UK, so much so that an entire generation was turned into these topics by this series alone. This Unsolved Mysteries by Robert Stacks, another one of my personal favourites, I must say. And there are several of these shows there which which, dare I say, which actually influenced me in my youth to look into these subjects. And now looking back, I must say that I was a rather strange and a strange child, at least to my peers. And trust me, trust me that I would say. No worries, you're at home here in the infinite rabbit hole. You're exactly, exactly the people we love. I actually have a book by Arthur C Clarke that I have. I haven't read it yet.

30:13 It's just sitting over on my shelf. It's called Rendezvous with Rama. Have you ever read that? Wanted it with Rama. I think I have a copy of that as well and I must say that and I must apologize to all the views over here as well because I've got a massive to be read list over here. As you can see behind me, this is just a section that is yet to be read and it's just piling up day by day. Each day I go out, I see something that attracts my my intrigue and I'll just pick it up and say that Oh my God, I need to read this. Yes. I always forget that there's a massive pile sitting back at home that's waiting for me to just start up and that has been sitting over there since you're who knows since the COVID lockdown. Each day I go and I find a new book and just grab it. So it's a new dilemma.

30:57 On my behalf. I don't know if you can see, but I also have quite the the collection here. It's absolutely amazing. I must say, I absolutely love the rack arrangement over there. It's absolutely flawless. Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that I put a lot of work into it. Well, no, you're definitely somebody that, that, that shares a lot of the same interests as me. And that's kind of why I wanted to highlight your, your Instagram page because I mean, I, I just found it what, two days, two or three days ago we started talking and so. Yeah, give a ticket for you. My, My Amazon to read list has has grown by probably about 50 books. It's it's and it's all thanks to you. So I do appreciate what you do and it's nice to see some of the books that I do have that I do read that I do talk about here on the infinite rabbit hole and see what you have to say. It's, it's very, very good stuff. So what about?

32:04 So we talked about cryptozoology, we talked about some of the. Bring intonation as tiny little things which which oftentimes new, new people who are often getting into cryptozoology get gets wrong initially, a few wrong impressions. I would like to address them as well. So it was often, it's often seen that people who are new to cryptozoology, young people that is, or even some fellows of my age, they are oftentimes attribute supernatural creatures like say the Skinwalker, the Bendigo, or things like that as cryptids.

32:45 Well, I, I'm sad to say that that's actually not true cryptozology as Bernard Hevelman's in its absolute rawest form, that is, in its true form, cryptozology is a study of hidden animals. So this has to be flesh and blood creatures. Now the now many people would say that what's a Cryptid then? Well, a Cryptid can be anything. If an antelope shows up over here in Darjeeling, that would be a Cryptid because that's outside of its natural territory. How the hell did that animal end up over here that's technically equipped. So the, so the giant whales, catfish in there's rivers of Spain, which were introduced, they're crypted. Technically they're out of place animals. There's an entire section about them in cryptozoology.

33:26 They're known as Oopers or out of place animals. Yes. Apart from that, there's another, the faceting proposal, which many people will find interesting. And I personally do very much because, as I said, the malagasic giant lemur is one of my favorite pictures. It's the Lazarus taxa, or extinct animals, which are not really extinct. They still lurk over there in the depths of unknown forest grounds just waiting to strike. But we we assume that they are extinct. And finally, there's the entire fiasco. But unknown species, new species, which is absolutely amazing because do you know the only last night I was checking, we discovered 179 new species last year alone and in the last few months, 69 of them 69 new species in the Amazon alone. And these are not small species by any means. There's a giant Anaconda bi species that's now been studied to be the largest living snake over there. How could it be?

34:22 And how could we be so foolish as the as the mainstream can be so foolish sometimes that they say that they know about every single animal that's out there. I would say that's an exaggeration at its best, and then pompous and pompous arrogance at its worst. Yes, it's absolutely incredible. I I think there's, there's a lot going on that the world doesn't know and that's kind of like what we've been trying to do here on the infinite rabbit hole. We cover news every once in a while. We we actually are due for a news episode here soon. We haven't done one in quite a while and that would be a great one to cover. I'm, I'm not, I have not really dove into current science in the current discovery of new species, but that is a extremely interesting stuff.

35:06 I am aware that nearly every day we are discovering at least a new species. And like you said, they're not always like a, a, a random tiny tree frog in the rainforest. Sometimes it is a giant snake, right? Or something along those lines. Like, like the, the, the gosh, I can't think of the name of the of it, but there was a, there was a, a form of deer that was discovered a few years. Ago in Vietnam. Yes, thank you. Well, you're, you're, you're very, very educated on this stuff and I really do appreciate that. That is absolutely incredible. No, I, I, I echo your, your stance on cryptozoology. I also, I have a section back here for cryptozoology and I have a section back here for urban legends and I have a section back here for mythology and lore and I and also spirits in another section.

36:05 And I think that. Particularly I'm I in spirits particularly, there's something which I would like to mention as well. So often times people think that ghosts in general or spirits as, as one said, these are just made-up things and people just often times just brush them out without even addressing them and things like that. It's a common fashion for a few years now. But now science is slowly changing. We are starting to understand the consciousness and the brain as a whole. Only a few days ago, a very interesting subject was discovered. I must say, the interesting subject is that even after dying, a person's brain is perfectly active. And another thing, I don't remember the exact exact quotation where I read it for the medical journals.

36:50 I would be very thankful to anyone who can forward me the exact location of the of the original scripture. That's that a person after dying, a certain amount of inner weight is automatically deducted in the person's body. And often times mechanical clocks and things like that stops working in the dead person's vicinity. Another thing, another interesting aspect of that is I think, are you aware of the doctor of the case of Frederick Myers by any chance? Frederick Meyers Is that the the the neurologist who dropped into a coma because of an amoeba?

37:33 No, actually Frederick Meyers was the founder of the parapsychology department in London. Now he was a skeptic. Mind you, he was a very hard line skeptic. But after this person died, things changed. People often say a group of persons are oftentimes channeled him. Now Frederick Meyers a you can read about him. Another book I would like love to mention in this part if anybody is interested in the case of Frederick Meyers is the book known as Other Worlds by Brad Steiger. Brad Steiger very well known figure. I must say I love this book. So Brad Tiger has multiple multiple books on multiple different subjects and he is by far one of the heavyweights when it comes to the obscure.

38:24 I I highly recommend anything from Brad Steiger. Yes, so Brad Steiger in that book Other Worlds and Other Dimensions, it's an old book, I must say. And but even by even after being old, it's stands appropriate for the current things which we are discovering. So Brad Steiger said that recounts how people often can channel Frederick Meyers. Frederick Meyers described the afterlife rather differently than most theology or most religions like to describe it. He didn't use words like heaven or hell or things like that. No, he said that the afterlife is like a ladder. Each time our time our lifespan ends in a particular ladder rung, the per the consciousness elevates to another latter step, slowly going up to a higher dimension, which now many people would say is similar to the string theory in which many theoretical physicists apply or not even even if not string theory, the greater theory of pan psychism, which now is getting a major traction in Europe amongst theoretical physicists, that the universe in itself is a living being. And I don't know whether you watched that show by Morgan Freeman known as Through the Wormhole. It's an absolute classic.

39:41 Very. I hope that the listeners today are hearing what you're saying because this is exactly why I wanted to have you on this show. Very, very, very educated person You are there and you know, I, I just once again, thank you for coming on the show because. No, no, I would like to expand my personal gratitude as well there because it means a lot to me. I'm a massive fan of the Infinite Rabbitoh. Absolutely flawless videos by capturing information and details that even I often times use for my research for in various books and things. Things which I don't usually find in books, I can find them in the videos. So I should be the one thanking to have for having me here today.

40:25 Oh, no, absolutely. Very, very happy to to do so. And you know, I appreciate the the conversation that we had today. I also appreciate the conversation that we've been having previously and right before the show, you, you had some really amazing stuff to say. I, I, I, I want to encourage you to keep going with, with this. I, I also just, I, I, I really want more of my listeners to follow your page and I, I don't push pages very often, right? I don't, but when I find something that I truly, truly, truly do appreciate, I was telling you, I was telling my Co host the other day, actually, there's a lot of pages that I follow on infinite rabbit hole.

41:14 There's a lot of pages that I follow on my my personal Instagram. I'm not a big Instagrammer, but your page is now probably the very first thing on Instagram. Not to say that I'm not really interested in other pages that I follow, but I really do look forward to your your submissions because of your recommendations in books. So by any means, anybody listening here today, you you have my recommendation to follow Nolan, John and and Marciel's Instagram page one, one more time. That was Baroness Biblo Biblothecarius, Highly, highly recommend. If you can't find it, head on over to the Instagram for Infinite Rabbit Hole and check out who we're following. You will easily be able to find it there. Nalajan, do you have any projects coming up that you would be interested in sharing or anything else? Absolutely.

42:20 Actually, yes, I do. And I believe that it's something which I had been working for few years now. One would be very much aware of creepypasta or the SCP Foundation or things like that. Collaborative fiction. It has taken the world by storm ever since it has dropped. So I am currently in the process of creating a larger novel or graphic universe of my own. But unlike Creepypasta or SCP Foundation, this will be not based entirely on fiction. This will tackle actual fortune subjects, organizations, entities, creatures, people, objects, cursed objects, cursed locations. Here.

43:04 Everybody knows about Atlantis, Lemuria, or Agarta, but how many knows about Iran? The foreign, the missing city in the, which is oftentimes known as the Atlantis of the desert. Not many people would know about that. Not many people would know about the the, the giant Codex Brexit, the giant manuscript that's entirely bound by human leather. And oftentimes, no, people are not allowed to touch it. The Codex Gigas, the Ripley Scroll, things like this. Many people would not know, but once they knew about it, they would be very much intrigued. Apart from that, secret societies. Everybody knows about the Illuminati, everybody knows about the Freemasons, everybody knows about the Knights Templar. But not many people know about the 9 unknowns. The 9 unknown men who were selected to to be The Who may hold information and knowledge that that can help humanity rather than destroy it.

43:57 So oftentimes we won't see, we don't see the theme of a benevolent secret society. We oftentimes see them as malevolent antagonistic organisations who are out there to harm human society. But there are many secret societies out there which are actually doing the opposite. They want to help humanity. So my personal project which is known as uncoded, it comes in two parts, one where one will be titled uncoded and the other would be titled believe. So this will be a large collaborative fiction work, which some other I'm working with some other authors whom I, whom they, they say that they would not like to mention the name right now, but they, they're grateful and they would like to provide their work before mentioning their names.

44:43 So this will feature an entire tapestry that would extend from the beginning of human evolution from the beginning the to the current age and even follow into the near future. Which I've which is another fun aspect because I will not be gay just blatantly providing information about would be future things like no, I will take the ideas from known futurists like Nick Bostrom from Oxford, like doctor, like Professor Michio Kaku, like a David Hale. Persons like those who can predict the future and often times are predicted so with uncanny accuracy.

45:29 Like Michio Kaku's prediction of quantum computers or Nick Bostrom's accounts of the artificial general intelligence. Not super intelligence but general intelligence has come to fruition in the last few years so these will tackle these subjects as well. Apart from these, these will tackle other extreme subjects of reality like the multiverse, higher dimensions and everything. But unlike to say the Marvel multiverse or things like that. I will not use fictional accounts but I will use actual physics models to create different multiverse. Now many people would think that the multiverse is or they would know that the multiverse is just like the string theory or things like that. But that's not true.

46:10 There are other sets of multiverses like the over the horizon multiverse, which which is just the universe that's beyond the observable universe. There are universes which are often hypothesized to exist within black holes. There are universes inside quantum matter. Even there are universes inside which can be created by humans. Can you believe there's another book that I would love to recommend in this particular topic about man made universes? Which sounds utterly ridiculous, I know, but trust me as well as we are seeing as the days go by that many of the things which we once considered ridiculous are just turning out to be strangely true. So that book is known as a Big Bang Inside a Small Room. I'll repeat it again.

46:57 It's known as Big Bang in a Small Room. It's an amazing book. It tackles the subject of how humanity can create an actual, Yeah pocket sized universe. Yeah, the the pocket, the the pocket universe is actually something that I, I've, I've learned is, is very highly researched. Also, like you said, you will be diving into the world of fiction here a little bit to introduce the world to some of the more obscure topics, which I find absolutely amazing. But if I could take a second real quick and introduce the listeners to a book or a book series by 16 U, The Three Body Problem, The Dark Forest, and gosh, what was the, what was the last, Oh, Death's End?

47:44 In Death's End, they talk about pocket universes and it's very, very, very interesting stuff. The whole series is absolutely incredible and I don't know if you've read it. I don't know if you're into fiction books, but the Three Body Problem series is just mind blowing. By far one of my absolute favorite fictional series I've ever read. The 4th book is written by a different author. It's called The Redemption of Time and it's personally I do not believe it's on the same tier as the 1st. 3 by 6 in you. But these these books are written by a Chinese author and translated to English here in the United States. So some of it some of it is a little strange to read because the the translations don't work very well. But it's very, very minute.

48:35 You don't you don't really even notice it if you're reading through. But yeah, so Nalajan, very exciting stuff that you have coming up. And I, I, I like what you're doing. I like everything. I, I like the, the Instagram page. I like the idea of introducing people to some of these extremely obscure topics that are actually taking place in the world around us with a lot of people not realizing it. And I think it's a very, very, very good way to introduce these topics to the world. So my hat's off to you, Sir. No, no, I'm just merely doing this because I personally believe that people have a right to know. Everybody has a complete right to knowledge. Knowledge should never be hidden. Knowledge should be available to all you know. So I would like to share a personal personal incident. When I was a child, my father often often time told me a certain consequence.

49:37 He said that a book that belongs in a person's hand, not in the stand, not in the library, it belongs in a person's hand. It's deserved to be read. It deserved to be loved. It deserves to be understood. Every word inside a book deserves to be to be known by everyone else out there. It doesn't deserve to just sit in a just sit in a shelf and just collect dust. It's deserved to be known. That's what I'm trying to do and hopefully God knows I'll put my effort and just to see if everything becomes successful or not. Very good, very good. Well, we're going to go ahead and wrap up here. Do you have any other platforms that you guys are currently working off of or is it just the Instagram page not?

50:22 Currently we're just doing it on Instagram, but me and my sister, we actually plan on creating a Twitter handle which will act as a new source of sorts, which will present news formats, research papers, latest news, latest podcast, latest in books and things like that. It's a it's a mixed bag really, of things, of obscure things and other worldly things with information and with the actual, actual resources and actual evidence getting posted on Twitter. Very good stuff. I, I look forward to that and, and the, the people who are interested in following that can pay attention to your Instagram. I'm sure there will be an announcement there for them to be able to migrate over to Twitter for you. All right.

51:07 Well, Nilanjan, thank you very much. This was very, very good. And I, I, I do appreciate you coming on for the first time that we ever highlighted a social media page. The plea, the pleasure was all mine. It's an extreme honor and for me and both my my sister, who unfortunately can be here today. But I must say that I'm extremely thankful for the opportunity that has been provided to me and I'm a big fan, as I have said before, of the infrared Fabiol and I'm looking forward to all the new videos that comes up. Well, thank you, Sir. I do appreciate all of that. All right, well, that's it, travelers. That's all we have for you today.

51:49 Once again, follow Baroness Biblicarious over on Instagram. Very, very interesting stuff, especially if you're into the the world of obscure books and obscure topics. That's pretty much it, travellers. Until next time, I'll see you in the next fork in the path of the infinite rabbit hole. Goodbye.

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