Gateway Process Part 1

0:01 Hey, this is Jake from the infinite Rabbit Hole. Leaving a voicemail while listening to the Beast of Bray Road part 2 and you're listening to the infinite rabbit hole. Approved for release September 2003. CIA document Library. June 1983 written to the commander of the US Army operational group of Fort Meade. Maryland, He tasks me to provide an assessment of the Gateway experience, in terms of its mechanics and ultimate practicality. As I set out to fulfill that tasking it soon, became clear that in order to assess the validity and the practicality of the process, I need to do enough supporting research and Analysis to fully understand how and why the process works. Frankly sir that proved to be an extremely involved and difficult business.

1:09 Begin a narrative by briefly profiling. The fundamental biomedical factors affecting such related techniques as hypnosis biofeedback and Transcendental Meditation. So their objectives and mode, a functioning could be compared in the readers, mind with the Gateway experience. Welcome to the Gateway process. Welcome back to infinite rabbit hole.

2:20 Welcome back to you in a rabbit hole. I'm your host. Jeff. What's up guys? Jeff, you just tripped me out. I was so excited. I was like I'm gonna get to do some tribal music like he's gonna say something in the middle and I'm just going to throw some tribal music in the middle of it and stuff, but I guess not. Your it was this your first introduction? Was it? No wasn't yes. It is right in the beginning. This is your first one you've ever actually done. No, dude, Atlantis. I don't think you did a intro on Atlantis, did you? I don't know maybe like, 15 minutes into the thing. Yeah, I think that Jake just made an introduction out of like, your first paragraph. Oh yeah.

3:04 That might be. That might be. That might be the case. No, good job man, Applause. Yeah. Okay. Doc, thanks. I didn't. I didn't make any of that up for the record. So, just so everybody kind of knows tonight. Obviously, we're missing. Kid, right? So it's just me. Jake and Jeremy here this evening. So there's that. But this, what I'm really going to be doing tonight is mostly just reading through this document again, if anybody listening wants to pull this document up for yourself, it's called the analysis in the assessment of Gateway process. And this is in the CIA document Library.

3:45 So if you search that analysis and assessment of Gateway process, you'll find a link. It'll be a CIA dot-gov link. You can pull that up, it's a PDF, it's the whole thing. So I'm basically going to be reading through this document probably over the course of the next two, maybe three episodes. Depending it's only twenty something pages, but you know, it's pretty dense stuff. So, Most of this is pretty dense. It all deals with alternate States Of Consciousness. You know, all kinds of weird. Whoo. But it's coming from, you know, these of these high-level officials in the military and these other scientists and such and presented to again, the commander, the at Fort Meade in the 80s.

4:31 So does the full go ahead, do things like project Star Gate Fall Under this, I would say so be not necessarily in the same project as this assessment. So really in a nutshell, what this is the Gateway experience is. It's an altered state of consciousness. Where one might be able to reach. Let's say like the akashic records, are you guys familiar with the akashic records? No, no. It's like the universal Library. It's where some people throughout history have written about a place in the universe where you can access all information in the universe past present and future, right? Ellis deal do that right.

5:19 So, it, which is an altered state of consciousness. Okay, so the Gateway experience is just another form of this. And again, what we're going to do, probably on this first episode is just go through the three other things that we may know about that are somewhat related to the Gateway experience again. Like, I read the intro hypnosis biofeedback, which will explain and Transcendental Meditation, all of, which are different ways of achieving these Altered States Of Consciousness. Where one might reach set, enlightened state, Eight and reach the akashic records and a number of other things, basically escaping time and space using consciousness. Some hippy dippy shit.

6:05 All I can do. Let's do it right? So Before I get into, like the first couple parts of this, is there anything that you guys are curious about before we go? No, I'm, I'm curious about all of it because I don't really know too much about this other than the stuff that I did for the research on the podcasters Who Stare at Goats episode, we did with talking with shadows. I don't know too much about this. So this is pretty cool. I'm both for and against Altered States and minds and astral projection, and all kinds of stuff.

6:45 So I'm not entirely biased against this one, like as far as my believability that, that sort of stuff is real and that can actually be accessed, I think that it's possible dangerous and shouldn't be trifled with but that it's real. So I'm not immediately in a position where I am in most of this stuff are most things from just like that fake, you know, I'm just, I'm open to this one although I don't want to be ya. Really I didn't, I wouldn't I wouldn't guess good. This is good. This is good stuff. I know it isn't. This isn't burning sage leaves and expecting something to change on the other side of the universe. You know, I don't know, believe that or willing things into existence like monsters that have no proof of their validity. But this is, did you use that Crystal? I sent you as deodorant today.

7:40 Yeah, I mean didn't work oh the or oh yeah that's funny. Yeah so okay, well I'm with you Jake, I'm skeptical to a certain extent but then I come across things like this and then I'm like, okay. Maybe it's more real than I give it credit for. So we'll get into it. Hopefully will change your mind. There are twenty something Pages. I'm going to try to get three like five I can get through. ooh, five of these As dense as they are, then I'll be satisfied with this first little episode here. So let's just get into you guys, ready, ready? Yes, sir. Okay. So Introduction.

8:26 In order to describe the Monroe Institute technique for achieving Altered States Of Consciousness, the Gateway experience involving brain, hemispheres synchronization or hemi-sync, it's important. The most effective way to begin is to briefly profile, the basic mechanics, which underlay operation of related methods. Such as hypnosis Transcendental Meditation and biofeedback it is easiest to effectively describe what way is by beginning, with a short description of those Associated techniques that share some common aspects with the Gateway experience, but which are nevertheless different in this way. We can develop a frame of reference at the outset, which will provide useful Concepts to explain and understand Gateway by comparison.

9:15 So let's start with hypnosis According to the theories of psychologist. Ronald Stone. And the biomechanic, biomedical engineering models of each kind of bent of hypnosis is basically a technique, which permits acquisition of direct access to the sensory motor, cortex, and pleasure centers, and the lower cerebral portions Of the right side of the human brain. Following successful disengagement of the stimulus, screening function of the less left hemisphere of the brain. So basically by The Stratton, I'm not reading now. So basically by distracting the left hemisphere of the brain, you can suggest things for the right hemisphere of the brain for the body to act upon, that's essentially what they're explaining as hypnosis in that first little bit right there. The left hemisphere of the brain, is the self cognitive verbal and linear reasoning component of the mind. If fulfills the function of screening incoming, stimuli by categorizing assessing and assigning. Meaning prior to prior, to allowing passage to the right hemisphere of the Mind.

10:33 The right hemisphere which functions as the non-critical holistic, nonverbal and pattern oriented component of the brain appears to accept what the left hemisphere. Passes to it, without question. Consequently, if the less, if the left hemisphere can be distracted, either through boredom or through reduction, to Forex semi-sleep State, external stimuli to include hypnotic. Suggestions are allowed to pass unchallenged into the right hemisphere where they are accepted and acted upon directly. The result May the result may involve an emotional reaction originating in the lower cerebral region since Motor response is requiring involvement of the cortex and so on. So I'm going to kind of stop right there on this hypnosis section because it just goes deeper into like what hypnosis is, but I think we get the point. You're basically distracting the left hemisphere of the brain to input information into the right side of the brain, which will accept without question, whatever the left is feeding it and act upon it accordingly.

11:36 Does that make sense to everybody? You know, hypnosis is weird because like you see, like obviously, They're not real magicians but whatever they are right, like illusionists or whatever on stage and some of us will some of them are really good at hypnotism, right. That's part of their act. They do and some people exclusively do hypnotist act and its you can watch them on YouTube and stuff like that. There's a lot of shows and like Las Vegas and everything and it's so easy to say like oh, that stuff is so fake, but I've heard that a lot of what it is, is just You know, you just confuse the brain with so much stimuli like you know, they want you to focus over here.

12:19 We're talking really fast and there's something going on over here and it just causes wires across and you just shut down. But even still you like you can look at it and just be like, well this is totally fake and I mean, I'll do that, right? I'm guilty of that but the but the only way to know for sure if it's not fake would be to put myself in that situation to get hypnotized. And I'm never going to do that willingly because I'm not going. To allow somebody to make me do something that I don't want to do, right? It's just like so I guess I'll never really know. But it is really interesting. Like, you know, hearing you kind of break down, you know? Even if this is like you said, very dense but kind of like, what's the scientific method of what's going on in this situation right here?

13:05 Man, I have a topic that I've been wanting to do for a very long time and it's goes no, it's not. But it goes very, very well with this. I'm not going to give away the topic, but it delves very, very highly into the relationship between left and right Hemisphere and knowing what to do know, about particular things when it comes to science and medical facts. With the brain. This is fascinating because if you can find a way, you know, distract the left hemisphere and communicate directly to the right, that would be that'd be trippy if you really trippy because the right Man, I don't want to give away too much, but there's this Theory out there that there could possibly be two different personalities, too different. I don't know how to put it.

14:12 So like the, the, the trigger word sounds as rutabaga, you snap someone's neck. Well, you know, who knows? This, this could, this could fall into the Sleeper Cell thing too. But no, I'm talking about, like consciousness. It's okay for some reason I don't know why that was slipping my mind. There's a fiery, purposefully being big No-No. Well at the same time, yeah, I was being vague, I'm trying not to give too much away. I kind of just gave it all away, but anyways, I'll just give it all the way. One of the episodes I want to do is I'm on the relationship between the two, two hemispheres of the brain, and the theory is called the split brain Theory. And basically, basically by severing this nerve that Connects the two hemispheres.

14:57 You can unleash or basically open up the door to your, to, your right hemisphere where another Consciousness is is sitting. And everybody could have to Consciousness in there to separate Consciousness has. I don't know the conscious. I write consciousnesses kind of conscious that nigh. Yeah. Consciously deny in their heads and only one consciousness. Business actually shows through because it's the one that that communicates, right, your left hemisphere, or your left Consciousness is the one that shows up because it the right hemisphere doesn't have a way to communicate all communication and, and learning and filtering. Like Jeff was saying, comes from your left, hemisphere. Therefore, it is the dominant hemisphere, but you are you saying right now that people would like multiple personalities Nerd stuff that they're actually functioning the way that we all would if our brains wasn't blocking off one of those personalities or whatever. So one of the things that I will get into in the episode of schizophrenia and they have found through post, you know, autopsies after death, I was gonna say post-death autopsies but nobody's doing all types in a live version. That it does seem that the right Hemisphere is healthier in schizophrenic spilling, and that

16:31 the connection between the left and right is diluted and which means that the the right side could become stronger and actually take Consciousness away from the left side and it gets scary because every single person in this world could potentially have two different Consciousness has it Consciousness. I and they're in their heads. And, you know, I know we kind of took a left turn there but at the same time it fits and what you're kind of talking about here because people that are in hypnosis, they kind of act like zombies, right? Or they just kind of do whatever they're told. Well, if you can distract the left hemisphere, you could talk directly to the right, how would the right act right there? The right can't necessarily speak, can't reiterate anything. It can't tell you what.

17:26 It's thoughts, are well, Jeremy, let me stop you right there because I can actually answer that exact question for you. Okay, you gotta scare me. You shut up Jeremy. If you guys are ready, I'll just go ahead and jump to that. Yes, do okay. All right, so I'll just finish off this last little bit about the hypnosis here. So stimulation of the corresponding area on the cortex causes intermediate response in the associated portion of the body. Consequently induction of the suggestion that the left leg is numb. If it reaches the right Hemisphere unchallenged and is referred to the appropriate area of the sensory, cortex will result. In an electrical reaction being generated. That will induce the feeling of Numbness. Similarly, the suggestion that the person is experiencing a general feeling of happiness and well-being would be referred to the appropriate pleasure centers located in the lower cerebra, portion of the cortex and the of the right hemisphere. Excuse me, thereby inducing, the suggested feeling of euphoria finally suggestions such as one that informs the hypnotic subject that he enjoys enhanced concentration or powers of memory would be added to in the right Hemisphere by the by excess accessing unused information, storage capacity. Normally held in Reverse as a result of less left, hemisphere selection and control processes.

18:58 This aspect will become significant in the context of Gateway process. When attention is given to examining the way that hypnosis may be used to accelerate progress in the early stages of the Gateway experience. So, basically, When you do this hypnosis, right? If you can Target somehow the right portion of the brain, you can literally induce physical feelings of numbness, Etc in the body, but you can also access memories that have since been stored Away by the left hemisphere right. Whether it's traumatic event or whatever it is, you're the left hemisphere of your brain is responsible for filtering that out but in these situations like hypnosis, you can actually access that Yeah, that's not. Because if you can get information to the right side of the brain without the left side filtering, it obviously, you know, when you hear something, it's got to go through the left, hemisphere into the right hemisphere. You can basically trick your brain into thinking anything. Anything is true because like what Jeff was saying, is that the right hemisphere basically listens to the left hemisphere without question.

20:02 It does. What it's told. So if you're telling the right hemisphere without the left, hemisphere filtering it out. Out that your leg is numb. Your legs going to become numb. It may not actually be numb but you're going to feel it. Hmm, pretty neat stuff. Yeah, absolutely. And also forgive me, anybody listening the punctuation in the document is shit. So that's why I'm kind of stumbling because right where I would expect a comma or not and so on it's just kind of yeah, just agreed. We got a Department of Defense document like the military time for compound. There you go. Fucking chills. I'm gonna kill people anyways, but that's pretty much it for like the introduction into hypnosis, we get the idea.

20:48 Right. So is there any questions on how that works? No, but that's, that's pretty cool. I kind of want to skip it skip ahead on my topics and cover split-brain more. Now, I'm not going to because I have some really good stuff coming up, but I will eventually get the split brain and it's going to it's going to be really cool especially after this, dude. Let's just Do a documentary on hypnosis and get you over this fear of snakes? No yep. Yeah, like snakes are great snakes are are your friends snakes are wanting to get hugged? And we'll have you like all up on like a ball python or something? Yeah, I'm good. Then you can't believe it too much. I think we're good.

21:38 Jeff great. Perfect, wonderful. Okay. So, all right, just just to reiterate, there's three basic pillars that you kind of have to understand to understand Gateway, hypnosis trance Transcendental, Meditation, and biofeedback. So we just went over hypnosis, everybody's good. If you're listening and you still don't get it. Sorry, we're moving forward. So let's suck. Loser. Yeah, dude. Alright, so let's get into this. Transcendental Meditation. On the other hand, Transcendental Meditation Works in a distinctly different fashion in this technique intense and protracted single-minded concentration on the process of drawing energy up.

22:23 The spinal cord, ultimately results in what appears to be creation of acoustical standing waves in the cerebrum ventricles which are then conducted to the gray matter in the Sabri Barrel cortex on the right side of the brain. As a result according to Ben Tov, these waves will stimulate and eventually polarize the cortex in such a way that it will tend to conduct a signal along the homunculus. Starting from the toes on up. So basically what they're saying is during Transcendental Meditation and other forms of meditation as well, but Kundalini meditation, right?

23:04 What they're what you're doing is you are attempting to get a specific. Isn't it? It's within your body, right? In this residence is cause it's actually super technical. But basically your heart is pumping at a certain rate and that fluid is Flowing down into like the lower part of your body. And then read the vibration from the actual pumping of your heart that vibration goes down and resonates back up. And and these resignations meet at a certain point, okay? In the middle of your body. And if you can Get this resignation at a specific frequency. Then you can accelerate this energy to the top of your crown.

23:46 This is the whole Crown chakra meditation, you know, Enlightenment concept right in this essentially is affecting the different hemispheres of the brain as well. You guys with me so far? No. Yeah, I'm with you, Kundalini, Spirit demonic possession and that sort of stuff. Got, you know, I'm, I'm completely lost to be honest with you, okay? No problem. That's fine. We'll just keep reading. Maybe it'll click all right. Kundalini psychosis or Transcendence states that the standing acoustical waves, right? But I'm talking about are the result of the altered rhythm of heart sounds which are occasioned by prolonged practice of meditation and which set up sympathetic vibrations in the walls of the fluid filled cavity which can brought comprise the third lateral. Lateral ventricles of the brain.

24:41 So again this reverberation of your heart this frequency is going down. Down and up. Okay, so it's a matter of meditating and focusing and getting this frequency of this oscillation, these vibrations oscillating frequency that's happening to a specific frequency. In addition according to Ben Tov, the states of bliss, described by those who whose Kundalini symptoms have completed the full loop. Along the hemispheres may be explained as a self stimulation of the pleasure centers in the brain caused by the circulation of a current along the sensory cortex been table.

25:21 Also notes that most of the described symptoms start on the left side of the body means that it is mostly a development occurring on the right hemisphere. Although normally a period of meditation involving intense concentration and practice for five years or some is required to bring up the Kundalini. Been top states that exposure to Mechanical, or acoustical vibrations in the range of 4 to 7 Hertz for protracted periods. May achieve the same effect. so basically, you can use sound frequencies to Create the same experience that one would get from years and years of Kundalini meditation. That Enlightenment that Bliss feeling that they feel when they reach a certain point.

26:08 You can essentially fake this or invoke this in the body using acoustic vibrations or drugs or dries. Is this is this like the brown note? Okay, well, that's no. But, yes, that's kind of the same concept, but yeah. Well, no, you know, vibrations affect everything, right? Right. Groundout with the subs. And when you talked about this and talked about this on the last episode. Number one, I asked why cats purr. And Jeremy said they purr for healing because of this vibrating frequency. So, it's the same type of thing. Kundalini, Transcendental. Meditation is invoking.

26:49 This vibrational frequency from within to achieve an altered, Consciousness. So, just just for clarification. Basically, this is you controlling the rhythm of your heartbeat to match a specific frequency. That's a very simplistic, dumbed-down version. Yes. Okay. There's much more that's into it. It has to do with, you know, like I believe like polarity and electrical signals that you can somehow manipulate within the body and magnetic fields, I don't know. It's a whole thing. I just kind of dumbed it down. Because it's already super dense, you know, I'm sad. Yeah, that's so sick. Dick anyway, shoot that disease.

27:33 That's the second pretty much the pillar that you kind of need to understand for the gateways. Anybody any questions? We only went down version of it. You got the dumbed down version of it. Go for it. I'm ready to go. Okay, so let's talk about the third thing. Biofeedback, yes. Hey buddy, bear with us while we take this quick break. the third Consciousness altering methodology, which will be briefly, described is biofeedback, biofeedback is somewhat unique and that it actually employs the self cognitive powers of the left hemisphere to gain access to such areas of the right brain as the lower cerebral motor and sensory cortex has quartus has, excuse me and assorted pain and pleasure centers, instead of suppressing the left hemisphere As is done in hypnosis or largely by passing, a n ignoring it as is done in Transcendental Meditation, biofeedback teaches the left hemisphere, first to visualize, the desired result.

28:47 And then to recognize the feelings associated with the experience of successful, right? Hemisphere access to the specific lower cerebral, cortex pain, or pleasure, or other areas. And to produce the desired result. So basically, Instead of ignoring, or excuse me, instead of distracting or suppressing, the left side to access the right hemisphere hypnosis. Or instead of just ignoring the left side and going straight to the right hemisphere like meditation. This is essentially teaching the left hemisphere of the brain, how to do what one may call manifestation. You're literally looking and a assuming a certain feeling fully grasping it, and then sending those signals to the right hemisphere of the brain. Creating the same sort of altered, state of consciousness. You guys picking up, what I'm putting down slightly. Yeah, it kind of sounds like, what? What my therapist told me to do the other day and I was just like, no thanks.

29:51 I almost want to ask what that is, but I'm scared. Yeah. So that's having a bunch of nightmares anyway. So I was like, whatever, you know, I'm a mental health like Advocate and stuff, so I was just like, yeah, military stuff signed myself up for some counseling appointments, right? And I have a really bad lower back, like, I Blown out my sciatic nerve a couple times, I ripped a muscle in my back and it just like daily back pains. And so I had a really, I had a physical therapy appointment and I was all jacked up afterwards, right? Physical therapy, and I'm worse off. But anyways, I'm talking to him about it in this appointment and he was just like yeah what I do whenever I you know, when I broke my collarbone is that I just meditated on it and I focused On the muscles surrounding those inflamed, muscles surrounding that collarbone.

30:47 And I recognized that they were hurting and I told them that it's okay and that you can go ahead and relax. You don't need to to be flared up and encasing this this joint or this bone and protecting it. You know we're safe, you can relax. You can you know calm down and he's like and I was able to get it to calm down. You should do that for your or lower back. Just focus on that pain. And those muscles tensing up and, you know, getting all hard and tell them to relax and all that stuff. And I'm just like, Nah no pills to tell your muscles to relax. They do and I don't know I'm listening to this and I just you know just thought about that.

31:34 I'm just like I was like, I don't know, that's kind of where that that bias comes in. It's like I don't I think that some of this is definitely real some of this is like, you know, it's like how much control do you really have? I mean, most people can't even control their own hiccups, like, you know, and then they were talking about, I'm going to change the vibrations inside of my body and you know, I'm going to get this Kundalini experience. It's just like, okay. Well, you know, do you experience? Hiccups, will you have to think about this, right? Right like on one hand I get what you're saying right. I think I have mixed feelings about this as well so I'm kind of with you but at the same I think it's real as well. So yeah at the same time it goes back, so many thousands of years.

32:15 Every single culture does some form of meditation to achieve some sort of altered Consciousness and people are doing it right now like whether they're everyone's full of shit maybe. But so there is some level to that, you know. And and I'm not going to read like this this other bit on the biofeedback because it just kind of goes into some of the studies and results and it's Like super extra dance. I wouldn't I can't even understand it, reading it. But the last bit I do understand and it just says basically pain can be blocked. Healing can be enhanced malignant tumors can can apparently be suppressed and ultimately destroyed the body's pleasure centers can be stimulated in a variety of specific physiological results move may be achieved.

32:56 Now again, this is But in the the the analysis of this entire process, this guy has gone through all this research with you know who knows how much funding and scientists all the shit. So yeah, but you got to figure like this is all Eastern mysticism and type stuff, right? Like Hindu cultures they do a lot of this sort of meditation and stuff. All the chakras stuff. I think that there is cause to go into, you know, how many people in India that practice this Sort of stuff die of cancer every single year and stuff because I think there's something to be said, I mean, you could make some crazy outrageous claims about something you could say, oh, eating a spoonful of sugar every single day, you know, whatever X y&z, you know, cures leukemia. But if you have a tremendous amount of people that if you go into researching it and you're like, wow, all these people did this every single day and they all died of leukemia, then you could say that that claim is baloney. So from the face of Reading it and saying, oh well it cures this and it does that.

34:02 But there is a cause for that to then look into it and be like well, you know, 1 Z 2, Z is aren't good enough to claim that this actually does anything, you know, because those Archer flukes and it's like Like that, purring thing for cats, right? It's purring for healing, well, how effective is it? Because Branch /? It all the time that cat was sick as crack would spray mucus, all over the wall and stuff. So how effective is that, right? It's still you not. Well, I mean, I've been super sick around cats all the time, which is allergic to cats, and she's not healed by that. There's so much that goes into it.

34:42 That you can't just say, you can't blanket and say, oh look, all these people meditate every day and they're dying of cancer. So, clearly meditating doesn't cure. Sir know what what they're saying in this is that with the extent of the studies that they did and the research that they did in the results that they got through these. Again, they were using mechanical and acoustic stuff like they were enhancing this, they weren't just meditating and figuring this out. They were using the tools provided to them through the funding, right to like build a laboratory. Make this shit happen and figure out what the results were and they were able to see these results. So You could take that back and say there's probably a few people in India who have been practicing their whole life, who have mastered it and maybe have killed tumors. We don't know.

35:28 But it's the same as with anything else. How many people are believers in Christ for instance, but kind of or barely or mostly like they don't really go to church or the maybe they're practicing to some extent, but not fully says the same kind of thing. So who's to say who's practicing it perfectly to achieve the results that they did at the Monroe Institute? So I believe that in a diluted sense that you can control certain things, right? And it all just comes down to a state of mind. That's what I was told. When I was younger, I remember, I actually had a soccer coach when I was really young who had told me that colt being cold, was just a state of mind right now, you know, and I didn't really understand it, until I got a little older and Nobody else had repeated the exact same phrase to me. I was actually living in Florida where it doesn't get that cold but it drop below 50 degrees and I was cold and somebody had said somebody has said to me, cold is just a state of mind man. And I'm like, hmmm and I really thought about it and you know what's crazy is that now I don't get cold, very, very easily. It's something that I kind of live by, right? I go outside and it's 30.

36:47 Degrees out and I'm t-shirt and shorts, perfectly fine. But if I'm going to go out there for hours on end, obviously yes I'm going to get cold and that's what I mean by small doses, right? If I'm going to go out and put tape trash out or you know, move the garage around, do like these little tasks, you know, being being a little chilly is fine, you know where I know some people that won't even step foot outside their door without bundling up with seven layers. If it's if it's in the 30s, I mean, and yeah, I agree. I mean there's something to that. I mean there's a guy, geez, I have no idea what his name is, or what country he's in. But there's a person on the face of the Earth that I'm sure has a name that teaches people how to bathe, and how to exist, naked, in Sub-Zero temperatures.

37:41 Right? And so, and he will do like, these, you know, sort of programs and stuff, and it's pretty exciting. Incredible. I saw this thing on the Discovery Channel, literally, like the first day that they're in this program, he cuts a hole in a frozen River and frozen lake. He cuts a hole in the ice and he throws him in there and he says, all right. You're going to sit in here for 30 minutes and these people are freezing, right? And then he pulls him out and he sends him over to like the sauna or whatever. And he teaches people through this like, six week course, how to control the temperature in your own body, how to focus on it and be like, I'm warm right now, I'm not Cold. I'm warm. And then this guy runs freaking marathons in his boxers and like - 20-degree weather and you know, through the snow Barefoot and all kinds of stuff and he does all this other stuff.

38:27 He's trying to teach people how to do this and all involves meditation. So I can't say for certainty that all this is just, you know, nonsense because I don't I don't think that anyway. But I also can't say that this is 100% could be replicated for everybody. You know, like if for sure, one person was able to cure cancer or, you know, remove a tumor using meditation. I think that obviously, there'd be some flak and push back from like, big Pharma but for the most part people would, I think all of us would be meditating false all the time.

39:13 You don't think so? No, absolutely not. I think that most people would continue doing exactly what they're doing now, which is consuming, a A lot of sugar, fast food, not exercising, not doing anything to take care of themselves. Just like we always do because we're comfortable at least here in the west, right? And I think that even if you knew that meditate because meditating is not just something, you don't just sit down and meditate and have a, you know, a Kundalini experience, you know, even if you do it every day for 5 years, right? Like again, this is something that is an art form in some regards, right? It takes An excessive amount of time and focus and patience and most people who practice it. Never achieve that.

39:54 It's not something that you know, there's so many you can go online, right? And people meditate everybody, the 22 year old girl down the street meditates, but as she achieving or even coming close to that experience that's being described. I can almost guarantee you. No, no. But she's probably getting what she wants out of it. Sure I'm not, it's sort of like a placebo effect, right? Where, you know, you sit down, you're like, well, I'm not going to get a tumor and that this is a very extreme thing, right? Or extreme example. It's probably probably nowhere near true. You can sit down and whatever you focus on are what you're expecting. Get out of it is most likely what you're going to get. So, like, for example, right, I suffer from PTSD from an event that happened in my military career and early on in, in my tree.

40:48 Treatment. They first try to attack my nightmares that I was having and they prescribed a blood pressure medication. Very, very low, dose of blood pressure medication. And literally from the first pill that I took all the way till now it's been like three or four years. Now, I have not had a nightmare and you know, you look it up and they there's all this medical stuff that says, this is why you're not having nightmares. I'm going to this medication. You know, it's a strange side effect to it this specific blood pressure medication that you just in PTSD victims. They no longer have nightmares.

41:31 Is it a placebo effect? That's what I think. I think it's a placebo effect. I'm not going to question it. I'm not going to go too much further because it's working for me, right? I think, I think certain things certain inputs to people's minds and thoughts. Thoughts and everything can definitely affect their outputs. You know what the end is? So like, for me, I say, hey, hey, dude, you're not cold, man. You're good. You know, it's only 30 degrees and you can sit out here for 45 minutes to an hour before, your skin, even begins to tingle like you're not going, you're not. So you're not going to suffer from frostbite, you're good to go, right?

42:13 But then, you know, I step out - 20 and my hole. My whole story changes because that's a completely different story. That's not small doses, that's not something where a placebo can help you. You know, unless you're that guy that Jake was talking about who, you know, you can teach yourself to treat it differently and have your body react to it differently. You know not get frostbite from being out in extreme cold. I don't know. That that's pretty neat actually, I know what you're talking about. I've seen that guy. I thought I think Oh sorry I thought no no go ahead because I'm just going to keep. Well I have the same, I have the same reservations against most things where they have such a broad spectrum or it just like a broad blanket statement. Like people that say, like cannabis cannabis cures cancer, I've heard that, oh my gosh, most people that I know that smoke cannabis will justify and say will cancel. Cannabis is medicine and it cures cancer and then you hit him with Bob Marley, Out of melanoma they're like oh well not all Cancers and you're like, oh so this blanket statement you throw out is ridiculous, right?

43:26 Maybe a cancer or an I agree. You know CBD. Yeah. We see what it's doing in people. Enjoy it and it's like, it helps people and like it helps with anxiety. This is a perfect example is like, but I look at that that broad scale. And I'm just like, well, a onesie twosie event isn't necessarily like some groundbreaking type stuff. No, this is a perfect example and I think the The healthy skepticism is good, right? But I think that like you're saying with the blanket statements, right? Like does smoking weed, cure cancer, now there's no evidence of that, but is there evidence to suggest that administering certain forms of cannabis whether it's extracted to use the oils or whatever the case is administering, in a certain particular way targeting a certain particular cancer. There have been results and it's the same thing with this meditation idea.

44:16 Yes. Again, everybody in there. There's Uncle says that they meditate, but how many of them like I would imagine Point? Yeah. How many are reaching an actual Kundalini experience? They're really in getting to that point that the ancient Mystics spoke about that. Spawned this whole idea for generations to come of people meditating, right? Like very small percentage. People are actually hitting that point and even if they are there, who's to say that they're targeting something to a level to where we could test and say that this is, or is not killing a A tumor apparently these guys did some Florence at least once they did this in a lab again, with with devices and outside help probably, and who knows what else? But that's aside from the point, the point is that there is something to it.

45:04 And really, we're not even talking about the Gateway experience at right? We're only talking about the three pillars to give us a frame of reference of what the Gateway experience is because it's not hypnosis meditation or biofeedback It's something similar but different to those things. So we've just now. Got to that point. We just laid the foundation for this. All right, Jeff. So what is the Gateway process? My friend. You want me to read all 29 pages to you right now and I'm stopping. Here we go ready? Let's go. One, two, three. No, no. Um so I mean is this something that we're going to talk about tonight or we gonna move? Yeah, I'm going to read one more section of this tonight.

45:46 Okay. And we'll have again, well, this will be a multi-episode thing. There's no way to fully get it, but so let me just get to this last bit and then we can Go from there. So, okay, one second cause I'm gonna burp because I've been drinking Mountain Dew for the last hour. Oh gross, bro. Let it out. Let's hit right in the drink much soda anymore, but when I do get right in the mic, man, I get a little gassy. Okay, guess he boy, here we go. Gateway and hemi-sync. Now that we've briefly profiled the basic mechanics of the principal techniques for altering or expanding Consciousness which share some of the objectives and or methods employed in the Gateway experience. We may proceed to focus on what that technique actually involves fundamentally.

46:33 The Gateway experience is a training system designed to bring enhanced strength, focus and coherence to the amplitude and frequency. The of brain wave, output between the left and right hemispheres. So as to alter Consciousness, moving it outside the physical sphere. So as to ultimately Escape even the restrictions of time and space, hmm, the participant then gains access to the various levels of intuitive knowledge. Which the universe offers? What differentiates the Gateway experience from forms of meditation? Is its use of The hemi-sync technique, which is defined, and a monograph, by the Monroe Institute trainer, Melissa Yeager, as a state of consciousness defined, when the EEG patterns of both hemispheres are simultaneously equal in amplitude and frequency. Although hemi-sync seems to be rather rare and of only short duration in ordinary human consciousness, Melissa Yeager states, that audio techniques developed by Baumann. Errol can induce and sustain hemi-sync with the institute's, basic Focus, three tapes.

47:53 She also notes that studies conducted by Elmer and Alice green at the menninger foundation. Have shown that a subject with 20 years of training and Zen meditation could consistently establish hemi-sync at will sustaining it for over 15 minutes. Dr. Stuart twemlow of a psychiatrist and a research associate of the Monroe Institute reports that in our studies of the effect of the Monroe tape system on brain waves. We have found that the tapes, encourage the focusing of the brain energy can be measured as with a light bulb and W into a narrower and narrower frequency band. This focusing of energy is not unlike the yoga concept of one pointedness.

48:40 Which we may translate in Western terms as a single mindedness doctor twemlow, goes on to observe that as the individual gets into the tapes Beyond Focus 3. There is a gradual increase in the brain wave size which is a measure of brain energy or power. So, There was a town to me. There are tapes, there are tapes that the Monroe Institute developed that you can listen to that will induce this altered state of consciousness, this hemi-sync. Basically, what they're saying is that if you can sync the two hemispheres of the brain, same frequency same amplitude that you achieve this hemi-sync, the state of altered Consciousness whereby you can escape space and time. You can leave your body, you could do forms of astral projection.

49:37 In this document, they talk about time travel. I'm talking about going into the past, going to the Future. They talked about all kinds of out-of-body experiences and everything else. Because of this hemi-sync Gateway experience. And again, there are tapes that you can listen to that, apparently invoke. This The help your brain, both your hemispheres. It basically helps it to sync up on the certain frequency. So basically what you're saying is that if you can sync up your left and your right hemisphere, you can, you can basically have out-of-body experiences. You can take yourself your Consciousness out of the physical body and into the Ethereal realm. Basically, you have access to all the knowledge of the universe, and also just being able to do whatever you want wherever you want, whenever you want, right? So, Basically, if if it's something that's perceived as 15 minutes from the outside, like a doctor sitting there taking notes for 15 minutes on what your body is physically doing laying there on the couch doing nothing, but you can perceive it as years decades, centuries, and then come back to your body with all the knowledge that you gained in that time. Yeah, that's that's definitely a possible thing you could do with this for sure.

50:53 Or you could do like the Back to the Future Almanac and you could place bets on sporting events and win it every single time. That's probably why it's not so public. That's probably why it's not real. Well, it's again, this is most definitely real because this stuff, this is exactly like when Jeremy acid beginning is this Project Star Gate and these other programs. They were doing this. They were doing psychic assassin programs, right? Where they were literally getting people who were remote viewers to locate enemy across the freaking world in bunkers. And she had some people that were really fucking good at it too.

51:34 Yeah. Right. Like, The Men Who Stare at Goats that movie is based on a real story. So but then this kind of isn't it done anymore? Who says, it's not, I think it is like the Guy who was loading, his car with containers, full of water that got shot by a Hellfire missile, would have something to say about why we're not astral projecting and and finding who the actual enemies are. Well, you got to make sure that you don't have power in the population, okay? You can't get you can't just come out with it, right? So I'm actually kind of curious as to why this, this this document is even for public access on the CIA website. It's very interesting, I mean, I guess, Once things like project Star Gate and a bunch of other things came out. Maybe they had to have something to kind of go along with that. They had to declassify something and maybe this was what it was. I don't think that this is anywhere near all that there is but it's interesting.

52:33 And, you know, I could see it. I could see it being a possibility and it's very intriguing. I know. Jake is not digging this whatsoever. I'm just listening. There's my listening face. Mmm. Oh yeah. Look at that. Look. So might here's - here's my my question to you Jake, right? And I'm only picking on you, because you seem to be the most skeptical, right? Yes. You realize what I'm reading, right? Like This guy is from the government Terry. Welcome to make us but I use it there wave, more powerful than we give them credit for.

53:13 If you want to make that argument, I'm with you 100% sighs, I got my fill hat. So I had to go the other way, the total size of could be, could be. But let's just say it's not right. Again, this is this assessment of this whole process being written to literally the freaking top dog at the for meat, right? So and again, it was last five or 20 years like this is lies are still funding could be could be okay. All right so much it right in like there is some real truth behind being able to access this etheric realm and do things that we would consider like Supernatural, right? Okay, so let me let me kind of I'm not going to backpedal. I'm going to pull back into where I'm actually what I actually believe.

54:05 Right? So this guy want to get on the show. He I can never remember his name. I have to look on YouTube every single time ago. This guy Bob Barker not Bob Barker, he's dead even by chance. Get them on one second. Huh. Hold on. So I'm going to hemi-sync and then will will. Will communicate with Bob Barker New Age while he's looking at. This is, this is some pretty interesting stuff. I, I do definitely believe in frequencies God. I don't, I don't think it's as easily achieved as these thousands and hundreds of thousands of people that are on Facebook, who claim that they are, you know, they can sink their whatever and astral project I believe. a few people can do it and I feel I feel that, you know, if you're properly trained you can you can Be a tool or weapon used against other astral projectors.

55:17 I believe there is there very well could be a battle going on on a plane that we don't eat, what 99.9% of the population doesn't even know exist. Good Jake. Okay, so there is a guy that like to get on the podcast or I'd like had the idea of doing for some time guys, name was Stephen ban cars? And apparently he was a pretty big heavy hitter in the New Age movement where people mix makes Christianity and Eastern mysticism. So it includes a lot of this sort of stuff. Kundalini Spirit, astral projection that sort of stuff, right? And He now, after leaving that exposes, that New Age movement for this demonic entity that it has become. And that all this stuff is super bad and opens you up to all kinds of demonic oppression and all kinds of stuff, right? But he had, he said, at 20 years old, he had three books out on how you can astral project, how you could do all this sort of stuff, you know, how you could go into meditation and slip into this altered state of consciousness, Yes, and he was making like, you know, two hundred thousand dollars a year at 20 years old from these books sales and teaching people how to astral project and stuff.

56:41 Until he had this Awakening where he realized how evil this was and how, you know how well yeah, how evil it was. And so now he goes and he goes on to a lot of podcasts and he explains the whole thing. I like how he came out of that and everything like that and and he really fights against that that stuff. So I don't again, I'm not for this or against this. I think that it's real to an extent, I think that people can astral project. I think that people can you know, get into these Altered States Of Consciousness and stuff but then there's always something that kind of Pulls it back, which is like like this.

57:26 Like this whole idea of, you know, people getting people that astral project to go and find and locate the bad guys. But when we have these horrible mistakes where we, you know, bomb the wrong person and then we're like, oh shoot. And now we got to pay this tribe, you know, a million dollars so that they'll stop, you know, talking about it. And we create, you know, you know, maybe we don't know. We might create more terrorists because it's we were like, oh, these Atkins. Just, you know, just killed Bob for no reason and stuff, I hate them, you know? I don't know. Right? What the implication is of that. So we but now that could be part of a plan and all sorts of, I don't know, but it's just like, it's just weird that it's just like, you know, they're this is a department defense document and these people obviously, put some tremendous amount of time into it but it doesn't appear to be that that stuff is still going on.

58:21 At least not to some Grand large scale. And, you know, you'd think that I don't know, the people that kind of invented this which would be, you know, on the Eastern side of the earth that they would have officials that would be doing this sort of stuff and you know, whomever their enemies are there be no issue. I mean, it just kind of it's weird that it seems to be kind of so hush-hush and stuff. If it's I mean because it's not like it's not like it's entirely inaccessible. Bill, right? It's like I've heard about this from many many sources over. You know, the last decade that I can kind of remember as far as like, you know, anybody talking about, you know, things that can be done with meditation.

59:09 But then on one side, you did just read a section where it's talking about. What is it? This guy was doing this for 20 years before he even got to this point. And in that circumstance. I mean, yeah, Foundation have On that the subject, with 20 years of training, in the Zen, meditation would consistently establish hemi-sync at will. I've been trying to learn how to play the guitar and learn Spanish for like 10 years and I can't play the guitar and I don't know, Spanish. So I have no attention span. Even if I didn't think that it was, you know, a demonic thing or it would put your put you open yourself up for demons and things like that. Even if I had a desire to learn how I don't have the attention span for it. So I mean, I was die cancer.

59:53 I guess so. A few things. One, I totally agree that doing these types of things playing around in Altered States Of Consciousness. I definitely agree is super dangerous and I totally think. I think what Jeremy was alluding to is that there may be some form of what some people call a spiritual war happening, something going on on the etheric realm, a battle that's happening. That none of us are aware of. And I think that when you do these, these types of things, when you enter Altered States Of Consciousness, whether it's through meditation or listening to the 13 tapes or smoking DMT or whatever it is. I think you do. Run a risk of opening yourself up to entities or what you may call demons, right? Same thing in my mind.

1:00:37 I think that's totally legit. I think the guy you're referring to who is ousting, this is a demonic practice and how the New Age movement is a demonic movement. I totally agree with that. And I'm not suggesting that people should go out and attempt to do all of these things in the Gateway process. Yes, I'm only stating that what? Basically possibility. You kids not only a possibility that but that it is real. Okay. So let me I want to read one last little piece from this. I wasn't planning on reading this tonight, but I'm going to read this because this is the part that got me interested in this document to the begin from the beginning and it's probably the most profound thing I've ever read in any government document. So here it goes.

1:01:18 Ready. The Consciousness Matrix, the universe is composed of interacting energy Fields some at rest and some in motion it is in and of itself. One, gigantic hologram of unbelievable complexity, according to the theories of Carl program of neuroscientist at Stanford University and David Bohm, it physicist at the University of London, the human mind is also a hologram. Which it Tunes itself to the universal hologram by the medium of energy exchange there by deducing meaning in achieving the state, which we all call consciousness.

1:02:01 Do you guys understand what I just read? I'm, I am tracking. I'm literally reading it with you. Are you going to read the rest? I don't know. I'm going to stop right there. I don't know where you reading that from. It's a bullet point 14, on page 11. So I was this Matrix, this is basically, again, it's saying that the universe is essentially some form of hologram. In our mind is also a hologram that decodes the universal hologram to give us what we call. Consciousness. Bro, we live in a simulation. So what people tell you, if they wanted you to believe that you don't matter and nothing you're ever going to do matters.

1:02:45 This is true too. So again. Yeah, I'm you know, hey, we could play the, this is a giant psyop document. I'm I'm totally with that. I battle with that idea all the time, when I think about this. Just so, you know, So what is the definition of a matrix to them? That's the question, right? Everyone has an idea of what a matrix is. A matrix is basically a blank slate. That's my idea of a matrix, right? The blank slate in which an artist or somebody can put their art or thoughts onto to create something, right?

1:03:31 What is their definition here? Because this is something that I think that a lot of people have issues with is just the recognition of definitions words matter, right? So that's true. So if you're if you're looking at this right and somebody like us, we're looking at this and we're saying okay they're talking about these matrixes. Okay, I'm trying to try to do two things at once here the G of the universe and stop me. If I'm selling stupid here Holograms of the universe and Holograms of the mind, right?

1:04:13 Is that what it said? I'm trying to find it. Yeah basically yeah again the universe is a hologram and I get what you're saying right? Like what do they mean by hologram right? And that is a good question. But I think realistically when you get when you went I end up reading through this whole thing will understand what they mean by matrix and hologram. And what they're basically saying is that we live in a giant like electrostatic field of some kind, some electromagnetic or some kind of weird energy filled the universe, right? And and that our minds are decoding, this energy information and giving us Consciousness, right? And that we can escape that version of it.

1:04:56 We can escape what we're perceiving and creating is consciousness out. And we can get outside of this and experience a different form of of that Consciousness. So it's not necessarily it's not like the movie, The Matrix, it's not like when I say we live in a simulation it's not like we live literally in a simulation. It's just that we are living in some weird projection that our mind is grabbing and decoding for us to understand. And there's a way for us to step away from that projection into a different projection. As I make sense. Yeah, this Is, this is very interesting stuff. It is an especially coming from the CIA. I mean, anybody, anybody who's listening to this and wants to see this documentation, this document highly recommend is called the analysis and assessment of Gateway process. Literally the first thing that pops up in Google. It even says that it was approved for release. Looks like September 10th 2003, It has the department of the army stamp at the top.

1:05:57 I mean this is you know coming from somebody who's been the Navy Jake and myself. We can look at this and say Yep this looks like shit that we get all the time like this. Every time we get a new CEO and they threw out a new policy for that the all the same crap up on the top. Yeah, Army. Defense logo, all that stuff. And we have to be aware. It's an official letter. Yeah, there's no doubt about that. It's so it this is this is pretty wild. You would not expect unless you're into the Sur staff, which Jeff is because he knows about it, but you would not expect that something like the Department of Defense would be looking into meditation and astral projection.

1:06:43 And I guess there's a use for it now. Less than two used for it. Well, that's, yeah, getting into it, man. What's at the bottom of this to see if we can use it for militarily and stuff, right? And I believe she had said something earlier about, you know, this just kind of being like the surface or something along those lines. I have to agree. I don't, I don't care remember, which one of you guys said it, but I don't think everything's here, right? And I'm very interested too. Keep going, right? We are we going to backtrack a little bit? Yeah, I mean we might we're not just going to start from that Consciousness Matrix part. I mean I really just read through one through five. I went through Section 1 through 5. So yeah, it's because I'm, I'm looking at some of these bullet points man and I'm like, we need to, we need to talk about this. We talk about that.

1:07:33 Yeah I mean dude listen let's just give a teaser man because people want to know what what might come and listen. Dude, there's a section on here, let me find it real quick. Well, so, Them like brain, stimulation energy, and entrainment Consciousness and energy. That's literally like the question I was asking if they're going to the definition of this and then the very next one number 12 Holograms. What do they mean by Holograms? What is the CIA defining as a hologram? It's regularly. When do we get into the area where you can say something to somebody, in their head explodes? Like, that's what I want. There's none of that. It's none of that crazy stuff, but no, you're right. There is sections about that hologram. Yep.

1:08:15 The part encodes, the whole. That's an entire section. Again, the Consciousness Matrix, you know more about the brain being in Phase. Yep, self cognition, value up self cognition is just saw that one time, space Dimension, interesting Dimension Z. This is, that's, that's literally what the time space Dimension. That is what I want to go into, because that's going to be, where they Define their Matrix, right? That's where they're going to Define all this stuff in. Ravine Dimensions like, is it a dimension as to what we think of but do they go into subatomic particles dimensions in between yeah, dimensions in between there's a section on dimensions in between Dimensions? Okay.

1:08:56 Right out of body experiences. Let's see from Big Banks or so they go through the whole like history of the universe. Our place in time like there's so much to this. Our place in time. Holy shit. There's so much to this guy's like, you know, that's so deep what we have to do and say I have to throw this out there because it's important that we do it every time. But what we have to do and say about Bigfoot to get the government to spend money on deep-diving Bigfoot to harness, the Sasquatch power for military purposes, just to have them. Do it, could you, could you imagine have some strength of 20 men? Some Bigfoot.

1:09:40 How do we know what? Yeah. How do we know that the program is being run by Bigfoot big feet? Maybe that's why they're hiding big feet is because you know they have this this secret intermingling sexual program. I'm Eric between, yeah, this this this hybrid between human and Bigfoot right there. Burst out laughing when you said the freaking ethereal is that Word. Ethel. Ethel you said that and I thought I thought about on our Facebook memes own thing. I think it was David Hoyt throughout that reckon that misspelled caption.

1:10:25 It said this place is so urethral, the scenic landscape and stuff I couldn't stop laughing when you said yeah they're all her whatever so there is no again there's Tapes. Right there's they're called the focus 13 tapes and it's these these tapes that you can you can actually buy them. I don't know if they're legit or not but I found them on Amazon like 500 bucks, a pretty expensive. But I do know a guy who knows a guy who says he has them so I'm trying to get them for free. If I do. Maybe I'll just give him everybody post or something but there's a focus 15 and a focus 21, which is travel into the past and travel into the future. So again, you can escape time and space, there's ways to get into that.

1:11:07 Altered state of consciousness, where you can travel Through time, and you can experience different timelines which to me is wild but that's closer to the end. I think that when people read the title of this is going to be one of those very undervalued episodes and We're going to have to do this in a broad sense. Like we've already got kind of the idea that we're going to do this again next week, but we're not going to be able to just dump 10 episodes of this right in a row. So, you know, maybe once a month or once, every two months or something, we'll revisit this because this is, I'm dude, I'm literally reading something right now about the cosmic egg, and there is some crazy shit in here in to see that's coming from The CIA is absolutely mind-blowing, dude, this is just as nuts as cool shit, dude.

1:12:03 Yeah, right. And just, I want to touch on something else that Jake said that, I forgot to mention earlier, you know about like, you know, kind of like the woo aspect of this whole thing and, you know, with like what you're looking at the cosmic egg, right? And then there's another idea of like the telluric feels that the body produces. Like there's this, this energy field that comes out of our body goes out about 6 feet and it's like a certain shape and all this stuff right Energy is Flowing out of us and just like, what you would picture Aura in, it's kind of like that, right picture? Like in your Globe model, right? The Earth has this magnetic field, right? Where it's kind of like going in and out of the pols flow similar. Yes, similar thing with our bodies and, and sells every living thing has like this this field right?

1:12:48 Including the universe, the cosmic egg, that is this field, write this energy field. And essentially what you're doing is you're tuning yourself, your frequency. You are tuning. Get to the cosmic frequency. So that now you are not attached to this physical location in space-time. Now you can again you're attached, your magnet. You can just move in. Now, you can zip around the universe and your mind, I guess, you know, yeah, I just made a connection of You remember what we were in that bookstore Jeremy over in Menomonie and I was reading that book on Nostradamus. I've been kind of getting into his stuff lately, kind of seeing how much of its legit or how much of it you really got to read into what's going on, right?

1:13:34 And I believe that Nostradamus was it got really big into a cult type stuff when he started throwing out all of his predictions? Do you think that he may have been doing this sort of stuff and doing that? Going into the future type stuff because he people have been talking about a lot lately talking about when you talk predicted, the death of the Monarch in England and that there's going to be a king that's going to someone's going to rule for a little bit. And they're going to step down and a king's gonna appear out of obscurity and you got that guy and I think it's Australia right now that's claiming to be part of the Royal bloodline and that everyone's lying and stuff and they he deserves to be the king and everyone's gonna talk about.

1:14:17 I think that and I think that there is a certain level of this going back in ancient in Antiquity. Right. And these certain figures that seem to have somehow reached the akashic records, right? Like you're saying Nostradamus like they pulled out prophecies or they were inventing shit. That was just Way Beyond their time. And people always seem to like suggest well where they helped by aliens or did they access some ethereal realm to get this information and I think that there is some validity to that whether they're doing that on purpose or not, who knows? A lot of these guys were very, you know, like analytical and creative, right? And it's very possible that and especially back then when there wasn't all the distractions we have now with technology and all the poison and everything, right?

1:15:02 Like it's very possible that some of those people back then were accessing this altered state of consciousness this Flow State, right? I mean, people do it now, I'm a musician. So, when I'm balls deep into writing or jamming, right? When I'm in, you know, okay, Let's just jam it. Yeah, not just in it for for a while, but I'm in for lot to jamming it in, right, right. Right. When I'm taking my time and you, you know, have them having my way, right? Like, you get into this Flow State, right? And that flow state is when you're the most creative, that's when in many artists talk about this, right? And I think that those people back then were in some form of flow state, which is like a little taste of that altered state of consciousness that they're talking about in this document. So yeah, totally.

1:15:48 Possible that Nostradamus was in a flow State multiple times in his life and just ideas flowed through him. You know what I mean? Interesting stuff. I think we got to cut it off, but yeah, very very interested. I see when it's my turn to present hour and 15 minutes when Jeremy's presenting, 7 H, H EZ. Listen because we cut it down from the eight that we shot that one day. Okay, I think this is this is a good time to cut it anyways because again, we've established the pillars of the framework of the understanding. We've barely described what Gateway process is. I think this is a good spot.

1:16:36 It's a good thing that, you know, something about this because you're able to read us a section and then dumb it down and kind of put it in your own words and all that stuff. If it was me presenting this I would read it and just be like, I don't know guys. Anyway next one I don't know. It's just I actually skipped a section in the intro of this document. There's a specific section where it's straight out says like you cannot understand this shit with just logical thinking you have to use creative thinking in order to And he even says that in the document, I didn't read that. But yes you have to think outside the box to fully get it. This may or may not be something. I fall asleep to start. Good. Interesting stuff.

1:17:16 Dude. I think man if you're listening to this, tell somebody about it because I think this is going to be one of the deepest rabbit holes. We get into. This is going to be the tip 1. This is good stuff. Love it, love it. Great stuff dude. Yeah, so many branches but yeah for sure. I don't have an outro written. So I don't know if you want to do it so you can plug all the things that I don't remember. We have you are so half-assed. I know I'm such a piece of shit. You are, it's cute. Alright. Well, Jake, do you have anything else you got to say, buddy? No, no, I'm Man, I wish we were just we just bang out another hour right now because I want to keep arguing about this. It said you'd like, but not I'm not even arguing from a usual standpoint of being like this is fake, this is dumb. Why are we wasting our time with this? Like, I believe this is real, but it's not something to be, you know, fiddled around with, but it just like, I agree. But I like, I like blowing holes in stuff, right? Yeah, as well.

1:18:22 It's like one of those things where you like, you don't want this to be real. You just don't, right? And if you look at Like this this can't be no way from a surface level is incredibly sci-fi, right? It crazy sci-fi but then you know yeah you're right you get into it and you get into the science behind it and it's just like well I ain't no scientist you know I can't I can't no rocket doctor. Yeah I can't picture say that this is you know nonsense but it's like yeah as long as they taper down those is like blanket statements. I think I'll be good. I'm bored.

1:19:03 All right yeah very sci-fi, it's interesting. Well just a reminder that we are shutting down the infinite Rabbit Hole Mark shop, come January 1st, get your stuff. Now if you want something, if you do If you don't then you don't like this. It's yeah. That shirt. This one. I got my little Fresno Nightcrawler. Sure. Take a big fake. Um other than that, astral projection to feel real, I guess. Do we determine? All right. Well, that has been another episode of The Infinity orbital podcast. Please do us a favor and rate and review us.

1:19:44 We we don't get a lot of them. Do us a favor. Let somebody know about the show. Leave us a comment on our Facebook page or post something. Join our Facebook page. Just search Infinite Rabbit Hole. I think for the only thing they're join the group. We have a good time. We sure are a lot of really cool stuff. Other than that, Yeah, that's it. I don't know what else to say, Jeff. Just kind of threw this on me today but there's been another episode of the infinite Rebel podcast. We'll see you next time. Travelers. Bye-bye. Stay on your toes. Jeremy