Storming Area 51! w/ Brian Moreno

0:32 Welcome back to the infinite rabbit hole that you guys weren't expecting me to say that this time, usually that's Jeremy's job. Now, I feel special. But today we have something a little different for everybody. Something, I'm actually pretty excited for. We have a super special guest on today to talk about some pretty cool stuff that he's got going on and some other topics as well fair warning. This is kind of a last-minute guest here. So you know, we're just going to shoot from the hip. Before I get too deep into it before, introduce the guests. I'm going to bring on my new co-hosts for my new show since I won the lottery. If you guys remember from the last episode, that's not true. We got Jeremy since you wanted to chime in and say it wasn't true Jeremy. What's up bud?

1:15 Not much. I'm excited to listen to you trip. Over yourself is going to Great. Okay, thanks, I appreciate that. Also we got Ken's are the new kid cans are, what's up? Guns are hello! What's up? Not a whole lot to me. Fair enough. Jake. What's up, brother? Oh, it's a great day here in Southern California. I just got home from work rode the bike today. It was fantastic, super stoked that you're actually doing the intro this time and not having me cover for you. So you're welcome. I was getting ready to wing it, like I was ready now. Now children. It's all right, I'm good at winging. It's what I do and then last but definitely not least our super special guest for the day.

2:00 This man, he is a comedian. He is a director. He is a filmmaker a writer this guy. Hopefully we'll have some some mind-blowing information today. I'm sure that we'll get into some crazy stuff but this is Brian Moreno. The director and creator of Dreamland a storming Area, 51 story. Brian what is our brother? Hello hello hello pleasure to be here and thank you and your entire crew here. Here, you got a whole baseball team. Oregon this podcast? Yeah, yeah, absolutely man. We like to have a lot of voices on this show sometimes, you know, we like to talk over each other but that's what we've got me. We don't do that at all.

2:44 No, we don't know. Never not once. Yeah, I actually have my sound board in front of me. That was me. I just had to make sure it still worked in case I was started bombing. Like, I always have that genius, dude, I need to do that. If I would have too much fun with that, Jeremy be going off on these tangents about this. You know, he'll write up a script full of notes and stuff kids. Yeah. Are you guys were like who the hell brought a laugh track? That's crazy.

3:25 Actually that was Jeremy. What? I thought it was Jeff? Yeah, I thought it was Jake. Pavelka now with no. Oh man. So anyways, yeah, Brian. Tell us tell us a little bit about yourself man. You know your background tells just yeah give us a short biography. Who are you? Sure. Sure. I don't have not just the guy that comes in a podcast with with an audience clapping I am about a 12 years and this will be my 12th year doing stand-up comedy before that I was a failed actor. And then before that I was the West Coast public relations manager of the Wall Street Journal.

4:09 So I've had like a crazy career to get to where I'm at throughout the course of my comedy career. I started doing shorter videos, you know, comedy sketches. Ever, you want to call them? Some of them went pretty viral and the last one we did, it was an exact replication of Ancient Aliens. It was called Ancient, Aliens, aliens and comedy, and you can find it on my YouTube. It hit like between funny or die and a few other websites, it hit like 25, 30 million views. Um, you know, Giorgio Tsoukalos started following me on Twitter, you know, it was like at the time was one of the highlights of my life and at that moment in time I stopped doing sketches. And that's where the whole idea of me starting to make movies like I since I was a kid I always thought I was going to make films.

5:04 But once I started getting real Traction in my shorter videos, I knew to break through. I was going to have to like really take a chance. Jean something. And for about 23 years, I formulated a few ideas and then the storming of Area, 51 event happened and that was the vehicle for my film, Dreamland a storming Area, 51 story. It's a Curb, Your Enthusiasm style documentary but it is a real documentary like by the letter of the law, like it is a true documentary. But I have had interjected a lot of comedy and a lot of a lot of excitement. and in order to tell a story about the people, not only who stormed Area 51, but all the people who really believe in things that are like, unseen or not easily understood, Awesome man.

5:58 Yeah and I just came across your YouTube channel. It's Brian Moreno comedy right, right? Yes, sir, yes, sir. Yeah, yeah, check that out. I'm going to definitely watch this Ancient Aliens. F old am, I can't wait. Yeah, that one's pretty awesome. And then there's another one I did on there called true comedian. I don't know if you remember the show. True Detective on HBO? Yeah. Yeah, well, we matched HBO. Exactly like the graphics guy even got a cease and desist because we use like they're interviewing sounds and stuff. But then they because this was the time when Vince Vaughn still had a Twitter. He tweeted out the original link to it and he's like, this is what our season should have been. And so that's when, you know, that's when I kind of knew I had to like, because I wanted to tell real stories, like long form and like the biggest, as a comedian your I mean, at least I'm kind of doing that.

6:59 Like some people are much better joke writers than I am by far, but I'm I think and I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I think I'm a little more interesting than some of them. So I've had to to marry comedy with interesting in order to keep, you know, I keep people keep people on their toes and keep them laughing, but also keep them thinking and that's what my movie is also trying to do. And so that's That's why like I say it's Dreamland Area. 51 movie.com is the website for anyone who wants to check out. And you can see the trailer on there were, you know, going through the Festival circuit right now.

7:41 I've had four different offers to purchase the movie but so far. Nothing that I think is worthy, I don't know, I don't know where the best home for the movies gonna be. But I do have faith in the universe on this one because like, this movie had no script it had. It had just an idea in my brain. I gave all the players within, you know, within the film. I gave them all Beats to hit but I didn't have any type of script and for some of the stuff I just had to put Faith in the camera crew that they were capturing this stuff, because this is a very run-and-gun type of film. And when I say run and Gun, I mean, you have a camera crew and cameras and you're going, you don't have Sets, you don't have set design.

8:30 You're working with whatever Lighting and Sound conditions are are thrown at you. Yeah. It's pretty cool, man. She's wild. That is awesome. Yeah, I mean there's a good there's a lot of good reasons on people. Don't make movies like this. Trust me. Trust me. I'm I'm thankful to whatever you want to be thankful to, you know, whatever you want to call it. But I am thankful because there are so many things that could have gone wrong in this from The tires being low on the because I rented two RVs and a sprinter and one of the RV's had basically bald tires when we got back, I'm like how did this make it through the desert and back? Like it was not when I say bald, it was slick.

9:12 Like like a head. You're like, it's forecasted to rain for the next week. It's like film film. What are you waiting on? Yeah, so it was a labor of love and You know, I put everything I had into it and now I just hope to find it the right home, but I believe it's a very good product that yeah, this film Dreamland is it is about, it's about inclusion. It's about showing people that were not all that different in some of the beliefs and some of these esoteric things because there's a lot of parallels I try to make in this film even though it is a comedy Entry.

9:58 There's a lot of parallels I try to make about people who are say religious like altered like from just barely religious to alt religious. Like they're believing in things that are like unseen and they're getting down and praying the things that are invisible and to some of these people aliens and extraterrestrials and their whatever their energy beings that they see like it's the same thing to them like They believe in things that aren't easily explained, or understood or it's just, it's a faith-based thing. And no one group is right or wrong, like so many people so much smarter than me, have tried to explain this and have failed miserably.

10:43 So this is, you know, this is a documentary that kind of shows the parallels while also entertaining and that's, you know, and that's a hard thing to do. And that's why I believe in my heart and my mind's eye that this movie will start. In the test of time. Like it's very early like I really just finished it three, four months ago and people think about when you finish a movie get no it's a very long tedious process to sell the movie to get a especially when you're an unknown, like I am like I may be doing comedy and acting for, you know, better portion of my life but I'm still rather unknown until you have more money behind you. Then what I do, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta grind and you got to push and every day you got to to be marketing yourself and it's not easy, but it's nothing is, right? Yeah, that's the truth man.

11:35 So I saw the trailer for the film and at first watching The Trait, like, I watched it the first time and I was like, is this like a satirical comedy about the storming of Area? 51, because that's kind of how the trailer played to me. The first there were two different trailers. There's an alternate an early version and then there's a more serious one that we went with gotcha. So, I might have seen the, the first one then possibly, but then I heard you on Brian's are not prime Brandon's. Cast, the expanding reality shout out to him and heard you explaining that it's not. I haven't seen the film full disclosure for everybody listening. I haven't seen the film yet but you know, super excited to actually watch it. But then I heard you guys talking about how you do all these interviews with people and how it's even though it is, it has the funny element.

12:24 It's not like a satirical. Comedy. It is a documentary. No, it's it's closer to something. I don't know how much you like your into film, but there's a filmmaker Verner hertzog. He he was a great inspiration to me in this because he was able to make in his early days he was able to make films and he used all of his surroundings to tell the story, like, whoever was around or whatever was there. And I felt like I could do that with this. Is storming Area 51 event because I had a pretty good idea that the event was going to be a failure. So to make a movie out of a failing event, you have to make it real.

13:07 Like there has to be a level of personal connection to, to something within the film in order to get people to watch it because I think we all pretty much know that the event didn't turn out as expected. But that being said, the event would have been Even less without me and my crew and the things that we did there and what we were able to capture you'll see is definitely a piece of American history and maybe a small piece but it represents this ever-growing subculture within the mainstream and that's the ufo-ologists and that's the ce-5 people. And that's the, I guess just the alien heads, as I like to refer to him as as you know, and those are the people that and I say alien has usually people that just want to believe in something other than religion.

14:04 You know, they want to believe in some but they have no basis for any of their beliefs except they're pretty much anti-religion or anti-establishment. And that's fine. You know, like you can you find you'd be like people find their own way, you know, all the time. But but my movie highlights all of those groups. And I think the characters that I placed within the story, they represent a lot of these colors of the rainbow because within like the whole UFO ology rainbow like there's these individual colors like there's the hot like the really hardcore people, there's the people that just believe one Theory.

14:48 There's three people that believe the whole rainbow like there's the people that think they're Been Among Us. There's the people who have regular experiences, you know, and there's the non-believers within that that subculture also, the people that are like, oh yeah, I believe that there's more life out there but I just don't know what form it so on that. Let me ask you this what is your idea of like what the UFOs? The you a pizarra? Brian? I would say nine times out of ten. It's It's reverse-engineered military stuff, maybe eight out of ten but you know, like there's always the exception but most of them just by the design and how how they are. It's some type of military military craft because there's a point is brought up in the film from a theorist that I interviewed and he brought up a great point that I think about, Hurley about how segmented the government is, how the Navy, and the Air Force have no idea what each other is doing. And what better way to test your equipment, then to test it on American Military, you know, on a different branch of the military.

16:10 So I think a lot of it probably starts there, You know what other countries including Russia and China, have in that type of that type of aerial vehicle is really in question, but will let me because we can actually get a little inside, on on that idea because we have our two resident Navy pogs who are part of the show? Oh, that's great. No, that's great. I mean, I can tell you this, for sure. Like the smartest person that I know, Know who works for the government was this is 10-15 years ago. He was contracted to develop a radar system that tracks things that go over 700 miles an hour.

16:56 Radar for Jess things ago, over 700 miles an hour like what goes over 700 miles an hour you know it's that is not like you know it's not missiles. It's not you know what do you think? What do you think about that Jeremy? The the Navy and the Air Force, you know, not knowing what's going Here's here's the thing. Brian is absolutely correct to a point. Right? The military in general is very segmented. He's at Jake and eyes rank. We don't know shit about what's going on with other branches. Now, there are a lot of joint operations and of course, when you get a lot higher, there's going to be, you know, more talk between each other. Especially when you get to the secretaries and stuff, Brian is on definitely onto something.

17:45 Thing where let's say the Air Force is testing something something that's reverse-engineered. Let's fly that bitch near Norfolk Virginia. You know, the biggest Naval base and see, we'll see what happens. That's interesting. That's very, very interesting because not they can get a lot of stuff tested. They're not just the ability of the aircraft but also the ability of their defense systems their radar tracking systems, shit. Even flir's, that, I mean, everything on a navy base has Freaking Flair on it. Yeah, I never really thought about that. I'm under the same kind of belief. Is you though. Brian that most, if not all of the UFO sightings were probably some black budget, you know, craft that's being built or maybe another country, who knows. But, you know, I'm pretty much the spaces fake guy and the UFOs aren't, okay.

18:37 Well there's one thing that I hate to always point out to people but if these Interstellar Beings are traveling that far to get here. Why do they need like LED lights on their spacecraft? I love that question. That's a great argument actually mapping technology that needs. It doesn't need front. LED lights like that is that is a very military thing to put on your spacecraft, okay? It's just it's a very human thing to have on your your vehicle. It's just if there are Interstellar beings and this is how it's been explained to me that our planet is, like one of those small tribes in Africa.

19:28 They like we see them as these primitive beings that don't even have the internet that barely have, you know, have any type of established Society or culture and our planet is simply a way station, they stop. They refuel they do whatever. It's more than likely underwater in the it's more like the in the oceans and mountains or the the pole polar regions. But we are nothing but a A Primitive being 22, whatever may be out there and some of the people that do tell me these things, eh You know I've really picked and prodded and they are individuals that you know, they're not just Believers.

20:14 There's a lot of scientific, you know, backing behind their theories, and that's what and that is the most logical way. It's been explained to me. And that is the what I lean towards. But then again, like there's certain experiences that people have that do make you pause and make you wonder. And who am I to say it's wrong? Just because I don't. Experience it, you know, right? Yeah for sure. And let me ask you this mad because you were at the the storming of Area 51 event which I actually thought about going to in selling water because in my mind, I was thinking these people are dumb enough to go raid Area. 51, they're probably too dumb to bring water and I think about that. But what what do you what was like? The maybe the wildest thing that you saw like what was the thing? We'll see you.

21:02 That that question I I can't wait for you to To see the movie. Because the wildest thing we saw was stuff that we did there late and you'll see like I'm not gonna ruin, I'm gonna run it for you but fair enough. But the people that did go cause I got all the way to the gates and I interviewed some people there and And the wildest thing that I thought there was is that only right on the other side of the gate, there's like this little Shack type thing. You know, that that cars have to check in with to go by and there was like a dude dressed in all black taking photos and videos of everyone out there. Hmm.

21:47 Yeah. And that's, you know, that's the whole big brother thing the government like, you know, you see like a Will Smith movie and they immediately map your face and Have your credit score next to you. And, you know, you're out of the ending bills and you saw it. You saw an actual Men In Black. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's pretty cool though, man. Honestly, you get it. Did you catch the the Naruto run? Yeah, means of the all the gap for well yeah it's in the movie. Yeah, that's why I was like maybe you know but we won our first vessel.

22:27 We're in a sci-fi and fantasy Festival, best narrative, which is a, with an honor. Now we're in the Malibu Film Fest and because of certain regulations are still doing a virtual this year, but people can screen it for like, you know, two three days. You know, and to check the movie out and everyone like everyone who's seen it has been very, they've been very surprised and I can't wait for you guys to watch it because it's, you know, it's a, it's a very good movie and I'm not just saying that because I gave my life for it. It's, you know, when movies are good, you know, it like your eyes and your ears like when you see really powerful art it like you feel it, vibrate differently.

23:12 Whatever it may be. Whatever type of art, like story is Art poem painting. Like, when you're in the presence of great art. It you like, you feel it, you genuinely feel it in your bones. And this is something that, you know, people feel it. And I makes me happy. I don't want to give away too much. I don't want you to give way too much about your about your movie, but obviously, I have some questions here at that time to ask. First thing is, what were these people that Were storming Area. 51. What did they think they were going to get like, what do they think that they were going to find her? Or what did they think? Was at the end of this, this path that they were trucked at they were on?

23:57 Well, first off, let me be clear as A lot of that storm Area, 51 stuff, that was legitimate, fake news. Like, are we? The news was building up this story and it kind of snowballed and I heard because we got there Friday night, but didn't get to the gates of Area 51 till Saturday, we heard that there were on Friday night, some people out there and then some drunk lady walked right past the gay. Some old Ice shows, an older woman I guess you just hammered and you know but it's a pretty one. Yeah, but it was like desert people, you know, I like she was, you know like in pairs if you ever been on the desert it's like these huge.

24:45 Yeah, well the night in jail like what's the big deal? So nobody was really storming. I mean some and it's in the movie, there were some some Guys got arrested doing something but they're for the most part. Most of the people there were very peaceful and very They're just for a good time, you know, they were prepared, they didn't really have any intention of getting arrested, you know, I think most of the people were there just to see what was going to happen.

25:30 And that Hill gate party. Yeah, it makes for a very you know uninteresting film unless you have apples story. So yeah there's a lot to my there's a lot more to my film than just that. So you didn't like sir pay some kid to go up to like to the Garden, punch him or anything like that and try to stoke the fire. I mean, I didn't still get that way. I still looked at more with the movie. Yeah. Like, you know, I prefer not to break federal law when stoking fires. Yes. Was there? Anybody that was just flat-out arrested just for being closed?

26:13 Or were they having to do stuff? No. You had to really cross and really make an effort to get arrested. So I've always had this dream. I'm right. I think I'm going to have to bribe somebody, but I've always had this dream where I, it's a military base, right? If I know anything about military bases, they have a gas station and in that gas station, they sell Area, 51, patches and coins, and I need an Area, 51 challenge coin for my collection. So I'm out driving up to the gate with a, with a coin for my current command and be like, hey, you want to trade? No way, I don't know. It's just like, I've heard, they're super cool. They're rare my way to find out and they have better, would me? Yeah, out there and Rachel it's I don't know what, town of 50 people or something.

27:05 But there's one little in and you can see, there's a little breakfast place that you can get a decent little breakfast. And then they also have these wonderful, tequila bottles that are in the shape of alien heads. Oh, I wish I would have gotten more. It's the coolest. Yeah, it's somewhat old one. Yeah. It's the little alien in little alien, then I don't alien how they grammatically. It's not spelled correctly. But that's what Lee had little alien in. Yeah. So it looks kind of like the the skull tequila then. Yes. Yes. But it's the alien head. Yeah, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.

27:45 So am I had a question and it totally slipped my mind? Like, right as I open my mouth? You think about the challenge? Now so I, you know, I don't know anything about the geography and you know, the layout of Area 51, Groom Lake whatever you want to call it, but where everyone was at. Like with all the news, channel, cameras, and everything, where you were where you closer than most people were able to get to. Because I know there's there's like these rumors about cameras being like Randomly out in the desert infrared cameras and trip wires and everything. Okay so when you see the movie you'll see that there were two different groups and one of the girls in the party, thank goodness.

28:39 She had to go pro and everything out there but she got to this point where it's called snipers point. It's out there in the middle of the desert and supposedly your you're supposed to believe. You're already on the if you make it there, you're further than what you should be, because she crossed the. The sign says no trespassing, that a DA. So that's where I think she made it. But me, I just got to the actual Gates, the front Gates. It doesn't say Area 51, but it's the famous, you know, the famous one, where they have the, the stop poles and Hmm. And that's where they said people were going to storm. But, you know if if you're into like there's nowhere to go, you know, you got to drive a long ways to get anywhere out there. You negate is miles from anything interesting. That's for sure.

29:34 Yeah, yeah. So yeah, the event like I say, the event itself was an event that was big enough because for the movie to work, this had to be an event that people People remember, you know that people really knew about when people knew about this event but it was such, it was squashed so much by the government because they didn't want it to have, you know, obviously right. They didn't want. It was squash so much and so thoroughly that because the original guy who planned, it tried to move the festival to Vegas and changed everything. All up, And I knew the event was like I said probably going to be a bust but the event was more of a vehicle to tell a story about this group because three years ago the sub the the alien UFO subculture was big I think it's even bigger now and as you know like the trajectory is going, you know, to become to becoming extremely mainstream.

30:40 Yeah, if you don't think it is already, you know, you still have a lot of podcasts and a lot of other people that will ask a question and it bothers to shit on me now. They'll say, Do You Believe In UFOs? And it's dumb because the government, you know, you're I am Pas going away, right? And Harlan away, but the government has has come out and said, yes, UFOs are real, right? But you still have those people that are asking the question. Do you believe in UFOs? Bows. And there's still a lot of people out there and under the cover of the c-word, the pandemic that happened or is happening or whatever, the the area of entertainment that we are in and the subject that we cover, this was huge news and they got swept underneath the rug and nobody heard it.

31:33 Absolutely. Nobody heard it and nobody, there's a couple points. I want to make That go for it. That I think a lot of people did hear it, but But the government is very calculated and its release of any type of information. So I think It was may be swept under the rug because it's not a it was yeah, maybe an acknowledgment but it wasn't a substituent subsistence enough like acknowledgement. Like there's no substance to it, you know, it it didn't say it was any type of alien or alien technology like UFO like the difference between a UFO and an alien is the apples and oranges, you know?

32:30 No, it's not even close. So, but they still came out and said, we don't know where they're from, what the origins are now, you know, Jeff are I'm sorry, Jake and I are military. And when we hear that, you know, I'm military in also interested in UFOs and the Mystery behind them, right? It's it's sexy knocking a lot. So when I hear that our military Our government doesn't know where some of them are coming from. Like you said, it could be other governments testing out their technology for what? Exactly. And that's where the military interests of my brain comes in as like, okay is this is this another country that or is this something different?

33:19 And that's where my new interest is shifted like okay, it's been been revealed. Now, we need to figure out what it is and people are still talking about Out. You know, do you believe that UFOs as well? But there's also just like anything else. I mean, there's a when you're conditioned for so many years to think something isn't real, or it's just Hollywood adore. Or it's for crazy people. It takes a lot of reverse conditioning to get that out and I worry when the government does release information because it's always so calculated and for a very self-serving interest. So I find that weary I find a lot of b. A lot of pause when I hear these things because There's always a reason and I'm not clear on the reason why they even said that why they may be who, you know, maybe the people doing the study again are super biased and they had limited access to whatever it may be.

34:36 But the bigger thing about the Tic Tac video that I'd like to bring up to people, is the fact that whatever type of craft that was it was able to manipulate gravity mmm and the manipulation of gravity. She is like you're almost a god at that point in time. Yeah. Waiting when we don't even know what gravity is yet. No, I mean you and I don't know, I mean there's there's a lot of physicists. I mean, their fists, there's a ton of visit but we have no idea what the military what they've developed in order, true what? Whatever propulsion system that vehicle had. It was able because if you can control gravity, you can Like a shield around yourself so that you can stop and start on a dime in the people inside.

35:24 Don't like explode. Yeah, right. You can do a ton with gravity. I mean, there. There's even theories. You know, when you talk about Einstein's, theory of special relativity about how you can control time when you deal with gravitational force. Sure. Absolutely. And the way we understand gravity now without, you know, without a giant body, We have no idea what it even is. Jake, we do that but see I didn't I didn't trust that answer for a second. It's just like okay, everything's ramping up. Its getting way. Too much attention us government's like let's just tell them that we don't know. You know just like just oh I don't know. We're do you know my focus off of me and just like it's, you know, there's too many weird.

36:15 There's too much weird stuff that goes on throughout the u.s. government and all the little you know, sections of it and stuff like Brian was saying earlier where you know the Navy doesn't talk to the Air Force like yeah I mean I totally agree like why wouldn't they just say yeah we don't no stop stop asking us questions you know it's like it's not your business. We're not going to tell you in the same reason why they don't broadcast every military aircraft that they're trying to come up with. Like they're not out there throwing F-35, you know, pubs out there on Google so that everyone can look it up and all of our enemies can see, Exactly how the F-35 works and all that stuff. They're just like, yeah, it's none of your business. We're not going to tell you how it but so that's 90% of the time you mean?

37:00 Yeah. So I'm just like sitting here. I'm like, I'm like, all right so you know, that's a lie and then Jeff comes at us with all those different patent numbers from that one, you know, UFO episode that we did. And I was like, okay, cool. So they have patents for Gravity manipulating craft fantastic. You know who makes a patent for something? They'll never be able way. So silly. You have those patents like I. Yeah, I have that has like a few different. People told me that and one of the people I interview in the film is name is lotus. He just goes by lotus. You guys are going to love him. No, I mean, like, the people, I interviewed seriously, the people, I interviewed. Like, it's a, it's a very good representation of all the things we're talking about. And I think not just the patents of the government holds on gravity, like stuff, they hold on free energy. Has been there for a long time.

37:55 We just don't Whatever whatever they want us to have. We have an unfortunately science gets stymied by by government and outside influences that, you know, it's very unfortunate because the, like, if a scientist could actually figure out what what gravity is and the way we could use it, you know, it would change the world, but unfortunately, the people who may have any idea, they're going to keep that. So close to the chest. Yeah, I so for everybody, listening, if you want to look that up, the patent is u.s.

38:35 2006. 0145. 01 981 that's for the Triangular spacecraft. Antigravity spacecraft that is an actual patent. When was it? When was it, does it say? Yeah. Public 8 application filed by John St. Clair, which is an important name. Yeah. In 2004. Want to go ahead and tell us why that's an important name. Jeffrey well, st. Clair is. So there's the whole idea of the 13 Bloodlines 13, families of the Illuminati. There's actually a CIA document that's called the 13 families or the 13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati and st.

39:19 Clair are. I can't remember the name that it comes from but there's a name on that stainless and Claire, isn't it? Yeah, it's like something very similar saying Clare became st. Clair. And yes, so that's one of the you know Illuminati bloodline families according to the CIA document, which could be misinformation, who knows? But you know just take it face value. But I have a theory on on why this got kind of swept under the rug when the government put out. When the Pentagon put out the whole UAP thing and you know like Brian you were saying, you know, the government didn't want people to go and raid Area 51 obviously. But then you have Like the news like you were saying, pumping it up, and pumping it up, and building it up and all this kind of way. So that makes me think that they really did want people to go out there.

40:07 I think that there's like a cultural aspect to the whole thing where you know, they normalize the UFOs and aliens ideas for decades and decades and decades just being more and more normalized every day and then they have an event like at Area, 51, right? Where you send all these people out and you know, I wasn't there. So I don't know who or what kind of people were there. The most part, but I can imagine, you know, it was a bunch of, there's probably a bunch of different type of fuel Stoners, you know, people, you know, the owners are out there. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like and I'm sure there was important intellectuals there as well, but you know, it makes me feel like they just seeded the culture with this idea so that when they dropped the UAP information, people were just like, okay, whatever because we've already been so desensitized to the idea of these things being out there. So, you know, I almost I feel like they pushed it out on purpose and got people to go there on purpose that in my opinion.

41:07 Hey buddy, bear with us while we take this quick break. Well, let me give you a little piece of information, I made change your theory on it, so the narrative for the storming of Area, 51 event, it changed. So I basically got the idea for the film 23 days before. So the event basically, it started so it would have been 30 days out. Seven days after the event, the Facebook event gets made the event starts to really get news coverage.

41:57 I would say, I start to put the crew and everything together, 21 days out. And then, in the next seven days, all The Narrative changed, the they were saying how it was going to be a fry Festival. They're telling people not to go. They were actually like all the news outlets were warning people and you'll see this in the film. The Narrative chains, like, you'll see something they were threatening to shoot people. If they went, and they got the guy Matty Blake who created the event? They got him to do it. his hip his event, change it to in Las Vegas and the interview that like he was terrified, the guy got totally scared out of it so I can tell you without a doubt that the event was It was a cultural phenomenon or 14 days and for the next 10 to 12 days, it was it was literally bad, bad, bad, bad bad, don't go, you'll die, you're not going like it's bad, bad, bad, bad bad.

43:11 So I think there were some outside forces that change the narrative and I can tell you from someone who is prepping to film a movie there. Like for sure than the narrative change so I can see that but it makes me wonder if that was like some kind of weird. Siop you know it's like you it's like telling the kid not to put his hand in the cookie jar and you know he's going to do it. I mean I think this II was psychology thing. Well I think the siop was getting that just to minimize whatever was going to happen and they did a good job they definitely stymied it but But they did, you can't stop anything like that completely.

43:52 But in it's a huge difference in controlling fifteen twenty thousand people as it is to 3000. You know, that's a huge effort. I mean, and then you get up to 100,000 people, you can't do nothing. You can't control a mob like that. Well, the only reason I say any say that as my theory is because, you know, like, if they really didn't want any attention on it, then the media wouldn't have put any of Tension on it, you know, I feel like there's got to be, you know, again I'm I'm the conspiracy guy here. So I like to think that whatever media narrative there is whatever they're saying the opposite is probably true. So you know, I have this and also that they're in cahoots with government organizations.

44:38 So you know I see you can hold on. Everything is a good who's like one way or the other? Yeah, for sure. But it just makes me wonder, you know? Like did they try to like maybe less in the crowd but But still give it enough attention knowing that it would send a few thousand people over there. Well, but sometimes he understand that like Avalanches occur just because there's so much pressure built up true and this this was an avalanche, you know, wasn't like and it's something that just has to has to happen. And, you know, if you can just control the Avalanche a little bit than they did their job, and I think that's kind of what it was about an avalanche occurred because pressure had built up but they, you know, They controlled it to the best of their ability. And that's why I like I can't wait for you because you're actually going to see you're going to see footage like you never have of this event.

45:29 Like you can't you go trust me when we got home. I had 33 hours of footage to edit and because of you know, the pandemic all kinds of you know all kinds of stuff. The the editing of the movie took years years but I watched every piece of news footage that was out. Out there and nothing really encapsulates. What the event was and what these people even were there for? Then what I did and and it wasn't just me. Let me give credit before we go any further Jeffrey McNeil the editor of the movie.

46:10 I've been working with him for years and I knew that if I got this footage he could he could really put it over the top. And this film, look the the budget, working budget this movie is about a hundred eleven thousand dollars. What you're about to see most people on the planet couldn't do for a half million and I'm very proud of that and it's because a lot of people like a lot of the crew, they worked really hard. And everybody, everybody that was on it. I push them just hard enough to help create some greatness but without quitting, you know, And that and that to me like that's something that I don't know if people are going to when they watch the movie. I don't know if they're going to be able to see other not going to be able to see that I can they're not, I don't even know what I'm saying.

47:01 But I would like to express that because it's, it's in this alien UFO conspiracy subculture. As you guys know, there's a lot of hatred, there's a lot of animosity. You know, people like if you step out on a limb, people are so quick to tear you down. And I knew if I was going to make a project for this community, like it had to be, you know, it had to be able to handle the firing squad. So many actions. It's like any of these theories really are showing two columns. They, there's so many factions of, you know, like ask Jeremy about the Bigfoot factions can, can I My go down the line and I want to ask because I really think this is a wonderful podcast and you guys all bring something very unique but I'm very curious.

47:53 I'll guy just want to hear what? Every one of your guys is what your number one conspiracy theory or number. One, kind of esoteric thought is like the thing that like kind of maybe haunt you or keeps you up at night or something that nobody but you believes in, like I just had it done. I don't need a dissertation but I'm Very curious. Yes, I like Jeremy. Go ahead. Let me hear. What's yours, Jeremy? Well, the listeners will be very familiar with this, but I'm a humongous Bigfoot believer because I saw when I was 9 years old. Okay, okay, so my question is no, no, and the big thing is a great Theory. Now, my question is, do you think Bigfoot is a humanoid or, or Or just another another species.

48:42 Like, what do you think it is that because you have to have an explanation for what it is? It's it's such a tough question. Honestly, I don't but I you know, I want to go with the Occam's razor, you know thing and just say this is just an animal that lives in the woods. It's a little smarter than everything else out there and just doesn't want to be found. That's why we haven't found. Okay, well you did. I what where's that evolutionary tree on this was it because so there's got to be some human aspects to it. So then at some point in time, genetically, some animal was mixed with human DNA. Is that way?

49:22 I know, I don't think so. I did things than others. You see all together it. Well I mean you know there's the whole theory about gigantopithecus Blackie and how you know it could have came over through the barren land straight from Russia to Alaska and down. You know, this pretty much same path is Native Americans. Took lot of people don't know this, but Native Americans actually share a lot of the same DNA and blood lines as as early Asian cultures in the Mongolians. Yeah. In the Mongolians. Exactly. And they also took that trip through the barren Land Street and this could be just another another creature. I mean, if you look over in that, that area of the world you you have the yeren and the yeti that also are plaguing the, the you know, the the forest and the creativity, the creative minds over there. You know, the the people that are looking into the Shadows are trying to find upright.

50:19 Walking Perry people out in the middle of the woods to when they have their own names is. Don't call him Bigfoot or Sasquatch. And if you follow the path, that the natives were supposed to have taken, you know, I mean what's to say that gigantopithecus black, you couldn't have taken that same path and we know that gigantopithecus lived, it lived in Asia, you know, it was there, could it just be a very small population of gigantopithecus? It could, could it be a? I mean, do we know for a fact that the Neanderthals Were hairless. You know, for the most part. No we don't mean shit to me.

51:00 It could even be into the Neanderthal. I'm not too big. Where were you when you saw it? I was in New England. Well because it changed your life, huh. It did it did and that's why I built this podcast. Beautiful. Jeff, what about you, man? That's that's a tough question, man. But I have to say, probably something along the lines of like Project Blue beam, refresh my memory, what's blue? But I know I've heard this project, blue beams where the governments of the world, fake, some sort of second coming or a The Invasion. Sure sure. False flag an alien false flag.

51:41 Sure, bring about the One World Government all that good stuff. That's probably one of my favorite. Now, I wasn't going to go too far down the rabbit hole but then when I brought up the government, releasing that information. But that's what scared terrifies me the most. Because I think it's a big setup for alien, false flag, right? And, you know, I mean that's It's like I have again no no reason like no factual reason to think that other than historically speaking it's that the government usually has its own self-interest in my not actually the people right? Which is why I brought up that theory a few minutes ago about. It just being some weird psyop because I do believe that the government has been you know, seeding the Not just are populated by the world's population. The world's governments have been seeding. The world's populations, with this idea, of aliens extraterrestrials, when they very, well, could be beings from inside the Earth or they could just be craft or drones or who knows, you know what's crazy is?

52:55 I always tell people, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I know every conspiracy theory in and help with that door, Mackinac, come hang out with me for a few shows and I'll get Yeah, we're too. Poor to God knew it. Jake. What about you? I'm surprised Jeff. Didn't talk about the dinosaurs being fake. That's well that's one of our shows that are coming up were but yeah I might argue that one but I mean you're so old. The Earth is just so so old like the history that has been the amount of knowledge Judge that has been lost on. This planet is incredible.

53:41 That like, it's it's mind-boggling that we like it's literally taught that prior civilizations civilizations were barely. You know, where stick carrying people that, that could barely communicate. And that's not only a lie, it's constantly disproven. And, and just shoved, you know, into some closet or some Museum basement because it can't be Rised. It's it's really sad that that people aren't taught to look a little deeper like about what has happened. What has and has not happened on this planet because there's so much now, the dinosaurs I'd need to know your timeline of when you think it didn't happen. But, you know, there's been a lot, a lot of stuff on this planet, that that has been lost or forgotten. Gotten to Never Be Remembered.

54:40 And that's a point before, I would love to argue in the dinosaur Gondor. So we could do that in the future that the yeah, yeah, yeah. This is your problem with evolutionary theory because it is a theory. There's a lot of assumptions and that just saw down a long hold. Well, there's a hundred percent of our DNA The progress of our Evolution has been exponential instance in the last hundred years or so. Did your what, you know, I'd say 200, you know, the way our DNA and from from Early times and now there's been some type of adjustments and I don't believe that evolutionary timeline makes sense with how we actually evolved.

55:28 So, A missing link somewhere. I would I would say that would be the alien influence. If you want to know, like the far out there that would be like if aliens ever did come to the planet, it would be the whoever would be the Anunnaki. It would, they would have somehow altered our DNA for us to become some type of worker, bees for them. For some reason whatever me on a whole other show man will be here all night. Sure sure. Assuming that I mean it's for evolution really make sense. Someone has to alter our DNA You know, and for their, you know, for whatever reason, you know, maybe in their same image, I did, you know, again, this is, you know, this is something that I, you know, time and time again.

56:22 It's been brought to my attention. But how to actually for someone like me to actually make that Missing Link, you know, viable, you know for other people to And that is really there. It's, I would love to do that. Like, if I could do another knot, I don't know. Like, I would like to move into real movies, but if I could do it another documentary, I would love to do it about science, that gets brushed under the rug science that gets because the scientific Community used to be all about Innovation now because it's so funded by big business. It's about grants and getting published and continued funding. It's not about Innovation because Innovation means someone in the past was wrong and that's very hard to do when University money so dependent on, you know, studies. Well, I've got some some plugs for you. We'll talk after the show.

57:24 I'll send you some people that you could probably make a kick-ass movie. Yeah. See that again. You know, the universe presents you the things, you know, right? When you need them, Jake what's yours? Yeah, what's your big thing? You know, I'm on board with Jeremy on this one. It's it's Bigfoot to bigfooters? Yeah, I didn't, I didn't care at all. I didn't think about it. Prior to Jeremy approaching me with his story, but it was a crazy and visceral. And I still didn't really believe him too much. And we started doing this podcast and stuff, and we started meeting with people. That kind of showed me what to look for and stuff. And this last camping trip, I had like five months, Ago, had some pretty crazy experience, has got all the tree knocks and the screaming in the woods and saw footprint like just like all sorts of stuff. So for me I'm just like, I'm like, all right cool. You know, let's let's see, one, hold the horses. Okay, there's two things that I want to ask first. Did you really if you really wanted to experience all that stuff, the mine has a very funny way. So here's the thing, so There was 10 adults there and everyone heard the exact same thing.

58:40 They all start talking about it. The next day, they're like like I have this huge game, right? This is like, yeah, if I saw Bigfoot of blah, blah blah, blah. I couldn't breathe or move while this was going on, right? I was in my sleeping bag. Just locked in and the people the drunk people that were, you know, maybe three-quarters of a mile or so away from us in the next campsite over because it's pretty much a, just find a spot and stay there sort of a thing, you know out there. The boonies and they were out there screaming. They had their music and you can hear move and then this started happening and they went dead silent. And then the music turned off and it was just tree knocks. And these loud guttural sounds like really deep throated screams out into the woods.

59:22 Just like it was crazy. And then the next morning, everyone was just just chatting about like, oh, my gosh, did you hear that? That was crazy. Like no one. No one was. Shut up about it. And it was so Some dude on meth, right? I mean it is California but we were way far away from Fresno. Okay. You know like way out and so I grew up in Fresno and yeah definitely would have been meth in Fresno. Yeah. But that's usually what I attribute. It was it was up in up and Dinky Creak. Where's this just passed? Shaver just passed Shaver Lake. Okay. So basically in it's crazy too because we went up there and Shaver Lake you know, two years ago I hit That massive fire that whole area burned up. Yeah Shaver Lake is just matchsticks. It's crazy but just passed it like 10 miles more North you hit dinky Creek and it's Lush and green and you know we had so we had the pandemic that shut down all the the forestry areas because they couldn't get employees to go work there and stuff like that.

1:00:26 So I replace was closed up and we had two fires. So for two years, these animals just pushed up into that area and we're just chilling out. Lee. We were shooting my hunting rifle at a tree and we turned around in this big old gnarly. Buck was just standing there. Staring at us like 30 yards behind us. There was no fear whatsoever. Just like oh hey it just kind of hanging out. It was so weird but like like that was like the area where it was experiencing it would make sense. Like if this is a you know another animal that's out there I believe it is. I'm a Christian guy, right? I believe that God created everything, that's no evolutionary anything that's just another type of animal. Like we have all the Various types of great apes that they look similar, but they're slightly different right chimpanzees.

1:01:12 You know, gorillas orangutans. All that sort of stuff. They could just be another one. I believe that. Gigantopithecus existed, I'm going to let Jeff try to say that dinosaurs aren't real. I do I'm gonna let him go but but you know, I don't think that we evolved from anything. I think this is just another type of animal, but why would it be not where the food source is? And in that case, it would be the untouched unburned areas. Area. But it was, it was absolutely mind-blowing and it was like, but I agree with you, right? If you're out there and you're just like I'm gonna see one, you know anything, you know like you know I saw holy fits proof you know but it's just like it was it was pretty nuts. It was crazy. How much of a Christian are you very you believe Jesus walked on water? Yeah, he's God I mean no create if he could create so I'm not saying anything's wrong with me.

1:02:07 If I believe that God created all this heat, put the physics and place. He put the way the universe works together in place. Then why couldn't he be outside of that and defy those laws that he created as God? Because the Bible says that Jesus made all this in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God. And everything was made everything that I'm really. I'm not saying if you want to say, I've studied religion very thoroughly but my point that I usually bring to the table on this as I. So the story tells you the beginning. Well, the beginning is a lot further back, but the stories talking about.

1:02:54 And so that is where a problem for me in this. Ticular story comes in just because I believe the history of this planet and he this human form. As we know, maybe very, you know, it may be very, very new. Like, what was occupied the planet before, who knows? I mean, I'm not smart enough to explain but I know the history of the plant goes back much further than what, I believe. The Bible and anything in any interpretation. It's there's there's a pastor An apologist, really smart guy named, Frank Turek, and he put it really well, he does this like little YouTube shorts, this show is called cross-examined.

1:03:39 Basically, he does college campuses people ask questions q a sort of stuff and whether they're Christians or other faiths or atheist or whatever it is. He and he does debates and everything but he you know, someone was really going hard into the like theory of evolution and stuff and he said, you know, even if evolution is real, it doesn't take anything away from Christ. If if we, you know, and probably a cool dude and now he's like it was probably her. Yeah. I mean but you know, and I was sitting here like like, you know, there's two sides of the fence. There's either the creationists and evolutionists, and he was like, even if you believe in evolution, it doesn't take anything away from Jesus, right? Even if you died for your sins and all that stuff, it doesn't take anything away from that.

1:04:24 So, You know, if it comes, when it comes down to it for me, the whole where do we come from? Is the creation story? Like, oh, geez. All the sex in Christianity that believe that either. It was a literal seven days, or it was seven time frames. All that sort of stuff. It makes no difference to me, because as it's just like, it's a fun talking point, but it's like, but it's just like, but at the same time, I can agree with you. You know, there's also sects of Christianity were there. Like, no, it was seven. Is and this is a young Earth that's made to look old. And then there's other people that say, well, it was seven periods of time and this is an old Earth and maybe the dinosaurs and all those sorts of things. In the sloths, the size of minivans were all made just prior to man being created.

1:05:15 So yeah, there's a lot of, you know, Division and all that sort of stuff when it comes down to it, you know, I'm pretty hardcore my faith and bigfoots just another animal. A big scary, hairy beast, that screams, and ruins, campers sleep. When when you see something like, Gobekli Tepe, what do you think? You know anything about good bugs? Have been in Turkey. Jeff mentioned something about it, in one of our episodes educated. You bro, you don't remember, dude. I brain dump yesterday. All right. Go back. We tap a man. This is what they do. Go up this pot and turkey and It was apparently purposely buried what 11,500 years ago or 11,000.

1:06:00 Yeah, probably 11,000 years ago. Yeah. But it was sophisticated and but it was intentionally obviously constructed with 50 70 ton rocks with with and yeah, and they great. Carvings from animals that weren't even indigenous to the area. Yeah, so when it comes to that, That kind of goes into my belief about the level of intelligence and sophistication in society. I guess I don't know if I'm explaining this right. That people were pre-flood like what could cause people to be so bad. That God flooded the Earth and killed everybody except for one family, you know?

1:06:44 And that's I have no issue believing that prior to most of because I mean that was in Genesis prior to Exodus and Leviticus and Deuteronomy and Moses and you know, the Israelites and all that stuff. I think that there were societies on the earth that were 41 plagued with sin. So God killed them all after, giving them generations, and generations, generations to repent, but they never did. But also, I think that, if people were allowed to just do whatever they wanted to and have their Endeavors and just go for, I think that people have always been as smart as they are. They are now. There's always those outliers the people that are super duper smart like if my phone hardcore broke today like I replaced the screen but if it hardcore broke today I'd have no idea how to fix it.

1:07:32 And if all those people died right now that knew how to fix that phone, we would go back to the oldest crappiest model of phone because we'd have nothing else, right? I think those people have always existed. They've always been able to have the resources at their disposal and be able to do amazing, incredible things or horrible things. Them. I think that civilizations like that probably existed and there are all over the place and they were, you know, just mind-bogglingly intelligent more so than people give them credit for. But then they that history that technology, all that stuff was lost and maybe buried underneath a hundred miles of sediment and now and then we had to start from scratch. Well, I can totally agree that like, well, I can agree with the point that there was definitely A flood of major flood on this planet that wiped out a lot of stuff. What caused that flood?

1:08:26 I mean you and I will probably always disagree. I would never believe in a God that murders an entire planet but but whatever caused the flood did change the course of this planet and I just hope that I never see that in, you know, in my days and I'm going to go historically speaking since it hasn't happened. Happened. And however, many thousands of years I'm going to hope we can make it You know, because I feel like the world that you're describing. They got destroyed is very close to the one that is now. Yeah, I would say. So I would say that I'm shocked that you didn't eat.

1:09:09 I had State still exist as we know it because Sodom and Gomorrah only got so bad before. They are burned up. And we're at least we have to be getting somewhere close. But at same time. Have you looked into close? What is closed? Here's really what it like you have no idea this could be it's good. This could be the hundredth iteration I mean yeah. Have you checked out the Yellowstone supervolcano that could go up tomorrow and then 98% of the earth is gone. Again lately a few times. No this one.

1:09:50 This one could happen at any time. It could happen in the next ten minutes, of course and this is what I always. Tell people the same thing it could happen, but historically speaking, it hasn't and that's why predicting, the end of the world is so difficult because it only happens one time. Yeah, if it's from a Christian perspective, saying that this is when the world is going to end like what was 2012, was a big one, right there, is definitely a very well-known passages in the Bible that says no one knows the day or the hour, not the angels in heaven, only the father. So, for anyone to say, well, this is what it's going to end. I mean they just need to crack that Dusty Bad Boy open and read then couple verses and just be like, oh never mind, I'm probably wrong.

1:10:36 Yeah. What about you Ken Czar was like? Don't tell me Bigfoot. I'll be so sad. If you say Bigfoot, I wouldn't ago. So, I've always been into a little bit of everything Bigfoot does interest me, but not as much as it interests everybody else here apparently lately, I find myself getting really into Flat Earth. Yes, dude, I'm really digging flooded the Flat Earth theory and the whole idea around that lately. I love the idea of the Arctic, Ice wall, or the Antarctic Ice wall. Whatever that is like.

1:11:20 There's just so much. There's so much to it. It's so interesting. Well, I think the most incredible thing about about that is, is magnification from a distance. Like when they say you should be able to see the curvature from a boat all the way out. Well, you can magnify something, however, you know. 500x and you can still see it. Well, you should really only be seen the top of the boat. You a flat earther. Brian. No. But I'm just saying that's of all like I say I know every conspiracy theory in and out like I can tell you the high points of them all and I would say that is the high point of that theory for me. Yes, I feel that.

1:12:12 I'll just say I go back and forth between being a flat earther and not a flatter through probably on The Daily and you It's big foot above that. I didn't pick Big Five picked up. Oh no, sorry, sorry. So wait, why do you go back and forth day? Like what is the because for me, because me, here's the thing is knowing the proper Flat Earth model. There's so many like disinformation Flat, Earth models out there like the Flat Earth Society, definitely government opposition and it, our government controlled opposition and it's just like if, you know, the Proper model not to say that it's like correct but like if you know the proper Flat Earth model, it's really, really hard to debunk those things.

1:12:58 And all I ever see like online is people debunking the bullshit model and nobody even knows the proper model. So when you sit down and actually figure out what that proper model is, it's super hard bone. So I like space I play Space video games, all of space movies, I'll think that worries me. You know what I mean? But then like how but its fake. The I tell people that space is fake and by that I mean it's not what we're told. We're not given the whole truth and nothing but the truth about space and you know, sometimes I wake up and I'm like bro it is flat and I'm like maybe not I don't know like I lean more towards with Jeff on a lot of things actually like I don't know if it's actually flat I don't I would love to know the answer to that question though.

1:13:50 But is still. So very interesting to look into and like, like Jeff said, space is definitely not what they tell us. It is Welcome to the dark side cancer, you know? I clatters movie, bro, I will world. You know, my I would absolutely love to see for myself. I think this planet is such a beautiful place and I've had the fortune of traveling to remote places. And, and I can't.

1:14:35 I in my mind, like I understand the Flat Earth theory but I just can't imagine that we're not, this Celestial body in floating in space because of you know all the astronomy that I've studied and I've actually seen, you know, Alpha Centauri, you know, like I've seen the galaxies, I've seen them and to think that we are just A flat disk. And that is some remote. That is just some thing put in, I don't know. We're just like a tiny little video game or something.

1:15:16 I don't know. The Flat Earth theory would have to lead into us, just maybe being in a simulation of some kind and some kind of biodome, right? And then like the the remote galaxies at him scene or just like wallpaper like you know how you'd put those stars on your ceiling. He's a kid that would glow in the dark like that. Like so that's what I'm looking at. I just find that I can't. I just can't make that jump. You think of The Truman Show? It's the seating seating or the indoctrination. That's the argument against that particular thing is, you know, yeah. We all see the lights of The Luminaries in the sky, but only because we were taught that their celestial bodies in an infinite space.

1:16:03 That's what we automatically assume that they are Our but who knows? I mean for thousands of years people those were the gods or those were the Angels where those were the luminaries, or whatever the case may be. So you know, it's just about whatever that perception is given to. You are a small child is what your you think you're seeing, you know, because I see it too. Don't get me wrong. You know, I had a telescope at one point I'd be and it wasn't a good telescope, a little cheap bucket telescope. You could look up and you can see stuff and you be like, oh, you could see the rings around Saturn but it's like Is that rings around a planet? Or is that a luminary that just represents something? And because of the way that it's shaped and looked these astronomers have told us that that is a, you know, spherical body with rings around it. And it's like, who knows nobody will ever know the answer that question just like most of these questions I mean it's hard a lot of smarter people than us have tried to explain and of failed. So don't feel bad if you don't, don't get to a conclusion today. But I think searching for the answers is always the way. Yeah, for sure.

1:17:16 But it is super fascinating, I'm with Ken's. Are that's probably like, in my top three, you know, it's a super fascinating idea, you know, even if it's complete bullshit, just the idea that there's more Or Lands Beyond the Antarctic Ice walls and the extraterrestrials are just beings from other lands out Beyond, you know, we're allowed to go like that would make a great like good Sci-Fi. Give me some CGI like there's some there's some deep stuff there. I think so too. Oh I absolutely think so. I hope and pray. I'm able to make a real sci-fi movie one day like a real. Yeah. You know make you think kind of keep you on the edge of your seat sci-fi and you know, if I don't ever get there so what? But I hope and I when you guys watch this movie, I just want you to know, like, all this stuff that I'm talking about. Like this is this is stuff that I took years to kind of think about and formulate and research. And find my own opinion.

1:18:29 And the whole thing about Dreamland, it's simply an expression of that. In just this one area in the area of like UFO ology and kind of touch on religion space and the government. So I just, you know, I when I say some of these things I just want to let you know that a lot of it to me. It's like it's about having faith in yourself because I believe we're the gods, I believe that we are able to create and do sometimes magical things but you have Have to believe that you have to believe on a level that's almost unexplainable and your faith like you were talking about before is something that I am very, you know, I'm a priest of of and cognizant because having a certain level of Faith, like it takes, it takes a very thoughtful person to get there, you know?

1:19:33 And Sometimes. Yes, like there's there's bad on everything. It's the bell curve, you know? But to have a but to have an open mind and be able to discuss topics and a very in a very inviting way is something that I think is really wonderful. And you guys have a great podcast here. That's has such a interesting combination of individual. So you guys should be very proud of yourself. This is all about this has been really wonderful. Now, oh, I appreciate that. We pride ourselves in not being an echo chamber, we have our own ideas. You know, when ideas I only put stuff. Yeah, well he's convinced me and then and then Jeff told me that all the images of space are fake and I looked it up and it just destroyed my my like I had to delete all my space pictures off my desktop.

1:20:24 I thought I was the coolest thing, all these galaxies pictures all fake CGI. Yeah exactly it's our best interpretation. Of the light waves, the transition color by numbers is what? Yeah, one is blue because red it's really funny. There's this new, it was supposed to be this telescope technology like five, ten thousand dollar this telescope that you can bring out anywhere and it's like it connects Bluetooth with your phone and you can like point on the Galaxy and it sits there and it supposedly taking like these images and I I have this Theory like that it's simply just a box that looks like a telescope and it's downloading the shit.

1:21:11 You just sends it to your phone and it's like here I took this photo thing about that is this there's a guy out there of some people may know him crow triple seven, he is the guy who filmed the lunar wave. He's got one of those super nice. Like the best telescope that civilians can buy and he has time and time again shown Of things like the moon, having refresh rate. And in the what we call planets The Luminaries in the skies have refresh rates, like, they're either a hologram or there's some kind of something, I don't know. But, yeah, well, I mean, there's something that I mean, there's stuff on the moon. Like, it's, there's stuff on the moon. That Chinese Romans crazy.

1:21:58 There's definitely something going on up there and all of, and all of of the planetary Story, the moon size shape. It's, you know, it's usage to the Earth. Youthfulness of the earth is highly unexplainable. Like, that's that it's almost too perfect. Like the intelligent design of it, the way. It affects the tides perfect size. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like, it's very strange, it's very, very strange. Simulation broke. We live in a city And I can totally get behind the simulation Theory. My thing with the Moon is I always see the same side of it and I've read up on how the moon spins around us and blah blah blah but I don't buy it. I don't buy it.

1:22:49 It's doesn't make a whole lot of sense in my head. The only celestial object that rotates in the direction that it rotates, if that's what it is. Yeah. If it's Again, remember science, as I was talking about before, it's not, we're in a time, that's very scary for progression of thought, because real scientists aren't promoted for for showing that someone else was wrong. Like, they're usually, you know, especially in today's society and this is kind of always been the case for when, you know, Innovation is made. Scientists are maligned, and they're, and they're called, you know, Heretics or, you know, devil horns or whatever it may be science.

1:23:40 Now, has gotten to the point where it's been so suppressed because big business funds, it, and it's all directional science. It's like we want you to study this and get this result. So, especially some of that planetary stuff if there's real science behind it, we're not going to hear About it because the scientists are called quacks and they're, you know, they're laughed out of their Industries and you know, people have Judd, people have jobs to keep and families to feed. And and unfortunately, that's I don't know how I hate to express a problem and not have a solution or at least an idea for solution, but this one's a really tough one because science is so dependent.

1:24:31 Pendant on funding and where does the funding come from anymore? It's like Vanguard opens everything. Mmm, you know, it's like you can't get away from who funds the science and that doesn't, you know, that's time. He's Innovation completely like it does. I could people people aren't going to call out bad science because they're afraid of what it's going to do. Their career. Hey Brian. I have a quick question for you. Round back to your, your movie real quick. I've had this question on my mind for a minute now. I kind of want to get it out there so you put a tremendous amount of work into this project and you had mentioned how like, you know, the news reports started coming out and then you guys got there and then you just started shooting and you're just like, let's just go, did you have an idea of doing something I do alien or UFO related prior to this?

1:25:29 And this was just like the perfect storm. I'm of events where you're just like fantastic. Let's go with it. Or was it more like I want to do a project and I want to figure out what's the best project for me to do. And then suddenly this popped up in your like that'll work. Well, I'm a very I work on this every day and I'm not always as greater than as I think I am. But I try to be very open to the signs of the universe, you know. And I'm, I like to be busy. I like to be working on things and I knew, I knew I had a chance to make my own movie.

1:26:11 I just I didn't know exactly what it was going to be. I knew I could do a Curb Your Enthusiasm cell movie where where there was no script I just if I go right cast together I could give them Direction and beats to hit. And they you know, behave how they're they're, you know, how they choose to because you're going to see some things in this film. I just want you guys to be clear. I did not instruct these people to do or say, some of the stuff. This was all on them. That would like I say there wasn't a script and And some of the some of the stuff I had no idea how I was going to make a coherent story with it, we're but it, but it worked out. So stands your question. I knew that I could make a film.

1:26:55 That was running gun, I just didn't know. I didn't know what was going to be the driving force and the area 51 thing. I was literally at a bar in a small town, in Ohio, like a bar called janki's. I swear, I swear that was the name and This guy was sitting next to me. He, you know, I tell him I'm comedian. He looks me up. He goes to the bathroom. Come back. You all the sudden. He's my biggest fan. We're talking about like is my Instagram is Moreno? The alien. So we start talking about alien stuff and he's like you should go to Area 51 and interview people. And I and that was literally the seed and you know how some seeds grow a lot, a lot faster, yellow, some ideas grow at a much faster rate than other units and that one, it just exploded and that was 24 days before the event and 23 is when I got the idea because I'm like, should I just hire a film crew to sit in my backseat and dry?

1:27:55 And I'm like, that sucks. Like that's a YouTube, you know? Yeah. A YouTube and I'm like, I it for me to make a real movie and I was told by everyone, you can't make a movie this fast impossible. Well, that go that inspired me even more. That's awesome. Alemany can't do something because then you'll go and do it. No, that's awesome. Yeah, that's cool man. But yeah, man, probably going to wrap this up because it's past my bedtime. I'm an old man over here. But before we go Brian, if you want to take a minute and just plug all your shit real quick. So everybody knows where to find you and all that good. Well, I'm pretty easy to find. Moreno comedian, Moreno. The alien on all social media Mor Eno, but the really great things to support right now is dream land area, 51 movie.com. We have some really great merchandise on there. We make some great shirts, anything, any any support you have is is much appreciated, but keep your eyes out for this movie.

1:29:00 Follow The Dream Land Area, 51 movie on RAM and helps the algorithm. And that's what I try to post. All my alien stuff, or whatever. Was on that Instagram or or you know, whatever it may be, I who I say alien, but I don't even know what that is. Well, that was that was awesome. You know, we, we had a curveball thrown at us today and cheese Jeff's. Slammed it right out of the park. Ryan, what an interview, thank you so much. Ha ha. You guys, this was a generally meant. What I said, you guys have a great Dynamic. You all are have a very interesting take on things.

1:29:42 And I think I thank your listeners and I think they, they really have a great. You guys have a great podcast here and they probably get very enlightened through all of you and that is, you know, that's beautiful work that you're doing well. Thank you very much. Will do anyways. Well, I guess I got to close it out since I opened it up, huh? Yeah. Yep. You got. You have to get a der. Okay, well thanks everybody for listening to this. Awesome episode of infinite Rabbit Hole. Thanks again to Brian, thanks again to Jeremy. Jake and Ken's are for joining me on my show. It's Jeremy loves that joke.

1:30:27 Now, it's been fun. It's been real. The next topic. Should I give him the next topic? Do we have the next topic? I mean am I doing my thing next weekend or next week you are you are tasting next week. Next week we touched on it a little bit here, I'm doing Dinosaurs never existed. Episode dinosaurs are fake. So keep an eye out for that. I've got plenty of it to go around. I might be bringing on a guest who's an quote-unquote expert in this topic? Still to be. Determined you going to bring on Brian to? Yeah, we're gonna fight, I might have some counter points.

1:31:10 That's cool man. Yeah everybody make sure you check out Brian on all this socials, make sure you follow the area 51, storming Area, 51, Dreamland film. When it drops, that's it, anything else, right, buddy. Nope, that's pretty much it. Thank you for joining us on this path of the infinite rabbit hole. We will see you next week. Bye.